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in France. Also on

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Patel FBI arrests a

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4:01

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4:07

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4:10

China bringing Trump to

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Pete Hagsith caught using

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ladies and gentlemen. It

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is casual. Friday. Casual Friday.

6:01

Thank God. I'm really. I've

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already forgotten. You need some

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help this morning. You definitely

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do. Grandpa. Shambles Friday. Exactly.

6:11

It's been quite the week,

6:13

ladies and gentlemen, quite the

6:15

week. So let's get into

6:18

it. The... I can't even

6:20

find my sound sheet now.

6:22

Oh, this isn't... Don Trump

6:25

announced a couple of days

6:27

ago. Let's be clear, he

6:29

spent like something like 25%

6:32

of his time golfing. And

6:34

are we up to a

6:37

hundred million dollars worth of

6:39

golfing trips already in the

6:41

first hundred days? That's impressive.

6:44

I mean I lived through

6:46

the George W. Bush era

6:48

and we thought that was

6:51

impressive. This is really impressive.

6:53

Yeah, I mean, his athletic

6:55

performance has got to be

6:58

studied, how he's just trying

7:00

to keep his body in

7:02

fine tune by, you know,

7:05

rigging tournaments on his own

7:07

golf course. Really important to

7:10

stay in shape so that

7:12

you can do this. That's

7:14

what's really important. Yeah. And

7:17

he's spent it on, you

7:19

know, close to $100 billion

7:21

on his golfing. They reinstated

7:24

the 10 million dollars that

7:26

are required for the first

7:28

and biggest NIH study of

7:31

women in this country. And

7:33

I don't want this to

7:36

be lost on anybody. The

7:38

idea that the first major

7:40

study of women's health in

7:43

this country by our government

7:45

started in the early 1990s.

7:47

should make everyone like it

7:50

should be a reminder as

7:52

to just how far out

7:54

or not so far out

7:57

we are from women being

7:59

second-class citizens in this country

8:02

especially given the posture of

8:04

this current administration towards women's

8:06

rights and as they begin

8:09

to adopt policies like you

8:11

know a floating Victor or

8:13

Bond style kind of subsidization

8:16

that keep women in the

8:18

home that seems to be

8:20

where one orientation of the

8:23

administration but I can't believe

8:25

I mean they reinstated it

8:28

because it was couch cushion

8:30

money and the blowback was

8:32

enormous. It's one golf outing.

8:35

You care about menopons? I

8:37

never heard of it. Right.

8:39

Right. And so That's where

8:42

we are today. The pro-publica

8:44

has called this next story

8:46

about Donald Trump offering private

8:49

dinner for people who buy

8:51

the most amount of his

8:53

shit coin? Is it the

8:56

meme coin? Oh, I'm sorry.

8:58

Meme coin. We had Jacob

9:01

Silverman on yesterday to talk

9:03

about it. I mean, the

9:05

level of just... obvious corruption

9:08

here. It's like I don't

9:10

know how else we can

9:12

say it a different way.

9:15

It's all you're selling. Yeah

9:17

he's selling access just right

9:19

in front of our faces.

9:22

Well but I'm selling I'm

9:24

selling a commemorative coin so

9:27

it's not corruption. What's interesting

9:29

is to watch like and

9:31

and and and let's be

9:34

clear. I don't think that

9:36

Anybody's going to vote against

9:38

Donald Trump at the end

9:41

of the day because of

9:43

his corruption. Because if that

9:45

was the case, he would

9:48

not have been the candidate

9:50

in 2024. They probably wouldn't

9:53

have voted for him the

9:55

first time around. It's always

9:57

fun, though, watching sort of

10:00

like the next round of

10:02

Johnny Come lately. He's too

10:04

like, I can't believe this

10:07

is going on. And this

10:09

sort of the corruption, but

10:11

Galloway is not a particularly

10:14

like a worst case of

10:16

version. of these folks. But

10:19

it is relevant insofar as

10:21

it creates a sense that

10:23

Donald Trump has some vulnerability

10:26

and it ties into the

10:28

obvious corruption that was all

10:30

centered around Doge and centered

10:33

around the crypto people like

10:35

anything in my mind that

10:37

makes people understand that the

10:40

entire crypto world is about

10:42

enriching a small amount of

10:44

people at the expense of

10:47

everything else and everything else

10:49

is frankly just b. uh...

10:52

here is a galley on

10:54

the with uh... uh... Anderson

10:56

Cooper Anderson Cooper Oh,

11:00

we see it everywhere. We see

11:02

it. We see it if you

11:05

want to go to Glass and

11:07

Barry or Coachella and buy a

11:09

high-end ticket. You get, you can

11:12

pay enough. You can get a,

11:14

you know, a mean greet with

11:16

Taylor Swift. What we've never seen

11:19

is that you can buy. Right.

11:21

I guess the meme for the

11:23

White House is so much better,

11:26

right? I don't, I mean, like,

11:28

yes, I think that the VIP,

11:31

um, VIP access at some of

11:33

these shows is not my favorite

11:35

dynamic, but, um, it's not equivalent

11:38

because you pay a ticket to

11:40

go see the show. The president

11:42

is not a performer. That is

11:45

like it's a fundamentally different species.

11:47

Don't you he's the host of

11:49

the apprentice? It's a meeting greet

11:52

for the host of the apprentice

11:54

which is his most come behind

11:56

the scenes to see how we

11:59

shoot the the room at the

12:01

conference room scenes right go it's

12:03

public service but it's just so

12:06

like it's supposed to be public

12:08

service not if you want to

12:11

create an analogy the analogy is

12:13

some other bribery scam yeah they

12:15

turned the White House into a

12:18

Tesla dealership like three weeks exactly

12:20

it would Taylor Swift what we've

12:22

never seen is that you can

12:25

buy access like this to the

12:27

president on this kind of scale

12:29

where essentially he's open to Swiss

12:32

banking account and whoever's putting the

12:34

most money into that Swiss banking

12:36

account gets invited to a dinner

12:39

in one of his country clubs.

12:41

What's interesting here is not the

12:43

220 people that are going to

12:46

show up at this, but the

12:48

people who don't because I think

12:51

the potential here are for grift.

12:54

This is grift. This is

12:56

not a potential for grift.

12:58

This is bribery. It is

13:00

bribery. I'm old enough to

13:02

remember the scandal of the

13:04

Lincoln bedroom, where Bill Clinton

13:06

would have top donors to

13:08

his campaigns stay at the

13:10

White House. This is putting

13:13

money directly into Trump's pocket.

13:15

Yep. This is not, this

13:17

isn't, like, this isn't potential

13:19

for grift. This is bribery.

13:21

This is, like, even if

13:23

he gets nothing in return,

13:25

it is, it is grift.

13:27

Because the crypto is such

13:29

a thinly veiled, like, even

13:31

token or item that's in

13:33

between the money and Trump,

13:35

like. In Trump 1.0, he

13:37

had his hotel rooms that

13:39

were getting rented by the

13:42

Saudis and by other people

13:44

that wanted to curry favor

13:46

with him. But now, like,

13:48

okay, at least there's a

13:50

hotel physical room here. The

13:52

world financial, what's the name

13:54

of the? the crypto exchange

13:56

that uh... here i have

13:58

it written down world liberty

14:00

financial this is a a

14:02

crypto company that was started

14:04

by uh... don junior eric

14:06

and the son of uh...

14:08

one of those uh... one

14:11

of his donors i'm forgetting

14:13

who it is oh no

14:15

uh... with cough the envoy

14:17

and they don't even have

14:19

a platform they started it

14:21

in august twenty four and

14:23

trump was publicly saying oh

14:25

i'm not a part of

14:27

this and now he's just

14:29

openly a part of it

14:31

so it was obvious but

14:33

they were doing Anyway, this

14:35

meme coin has a market

14:38

cap of now $2.5 billion.

14:40

He owns 80% of it.

14:42

So in the three months

14:44

since the inauguration, the president

14:46

has increased his wealth approximately

14:48

$175 million a week, I

14:50

believe, or $700 million a

14:52

month. We've never seen anything

14:54

like this. OK, there's potential

14:56

for drift. This potential for

14:58

grift? I get it. I

15:00

know what it looks like.

15:02

But I worked hard for

15:04

that $170 million per year.

15:07

Trust me. Trust me. It

15:09

looks like grift. There's potential.

15:11

I'll concede that. Why don't

15:13

you make your meme coin,

15:15

Scott? I think the problem

15:17

is the optics. Right. Doesn't

15:19

look good. Haters. I know.

15:21

I guess we don't respect

15:23

the grind. Some breaking news.

15:26

Former Congressman George Santos will be

15:28

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15:30

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15:33

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15:35

courtroom. So if you were a

15:37

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15:39

that's probably going to be on

15:42

hiatus. This is clearly a censorship.

15:44

I'll just say, it's like, legalized

15:46

comedy. cancel cultures out of control

15:48

week not been able to listen

15:51

to George Santos' podcast. There you

15:53

go. I don't know who Matt

15:55

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15:57

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16:00

is. Santos may die of a

16:02

broken heart in prison seeing Trump's

16:04

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16:06

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27:01

We We are back Sam Cedar, Emma

27:03

Vigland, Majority to welcome back

27:05

to the program crystal

27:07

ball back to the points

27:09

as well as co-host of Breaking

27:11

Points, as well as back Kyle and

27:13

pleasure guys. Thanks for

27:15

having me great to

27:17

see back. it's just guys.

27:20

story just broke this

27:22

morning that a it's just,

27:24

this in just broke this morning, that

27:26

by the FBI was

27:28

allegedly FBI for allegedly, protecting

27:30

an immigrant in in

27:32

her her uh... courthouse it has

27:35

been very controversial been

27:37

very it you least

27:39

you know it

27:41

certainly was uh... eight

27:43

years ago the

27:45

idea of not arresting immigrants

27:47

Immigrants undocumented immigrants or anybody

27:50

else for that matter that matter uh...

27:52

in like courthouses there's been a

27:54

couple places because places

27:56

because people to

27:58

be able to

28:00

go to court houses. There is

28:02

a societal interest. I mean this

28:05

is why we have, you know,

28:07

why we give undocumented in some

28:09

states licenses. This is why we

28:11

don't allow local police in many

28:13

places to engage in immigration sweeps

28:15

because If you have a portion

28:17

of your population that is not

28:20

participating in things like reporting a

28:22

fire or reporting a crime or

28:24

going and adjudicating something, your society

28:26

is starting to break down a

28:28

little bit. But arresting a judge

28:30

seems maybe like an important moment.

28:32

Yeah, it's a significant escalation. I

28:34

don't think there's any doubt about

28:37

it. And I don't know if

28:39

you guys probably saw this footage

28:41

that came out of a courtroom

28:43

in Charlottesville, Virginia, where an immigrant

28:45

had just actually had his charges

28:47

dropped, and then agents of the

28:49

state who would not identify themselves,

28:52

would not show a warrant, one

28:54

of whom was fully masked, you

28:56

know, apprehended him. and pulled him

28:58

out even as his lawyers and

29:00

other bystanders are trying to protect

29:02

him trying to say who are

29:04

you with what's your name what's

29:07

your badge number and so those

29:09

sorts of things have been playing

29:11

out around the country and we

29:13

don't know all the details here

29:15

yet but I mean one thing

29:17

that was interesting to note is

29:19

that the FBI director Cash Patel

29:21

he's the one who originally posted

29:24

this tweet saying that they had

29:26

arrested this judge he then deleted

29:28

the tweet So not sure what

29:30

is going on there, but you

29:32

know, zooming out, I've been saying,

29:34

and this won't be any surprise

29:36

to you guys, as Trump becomes

29:39

less popular, we're going to enter

29:41

an even more dangerous phase of

29:43

this presidency, because rather than, you

29:45

know, being able to try to

29:47

garner any sort of public political

29:49

support, he's going to have to

29:51

engage in. increasingly ever more authoritarian

29:53

and fascistic tactics and I think

29:56

this could be seen as part

29:58

of that ramping up and it's

30:00

not an accident that it comes

30:02

as as poll numbers across the

30:04

board including on things like immigration

30:06

really fall. Yeah, and also I

30:08

think it's a way to send

30:11

a message to immigration judges too,

30:13

where, or not immigration judges, but

30:15

judges across the country I should

30:17

say, and it doesn't have to

30:19

just be limited to immigration, but

30:21

this is how the mafia operates,

30:23

right, where they're intimidating this woman,

30:26

this judge in Wisconsin, and they're

30:28

trying to make an example out

30:30

of her so that other judges

30:32

across the country are maybe a

30:34

little bit more favorable to the

30:36

administration because that's basically where the

30:38

only thing that's has, the breaks

30:40

on this administration so far has

30:43

been the court system and the

30:45

judiciary. Yeah, and you know there

30:47

was one piece of good news,

30:49

I don't know if you guys

30:51

saw this, but the Trump administration

30:53

has just been mass canceling the

30:55

immigration status of foreign students. and

30:58

they were facing an overwhelming onset,

31:00

some 50 plus lawsuits across the

31:02

country, that they were just losing

31:04

one after another after another, and

31:06

they actually backed down on that

31:08

and are reinstating the status of

31:10

these foreign students. So you're absolutely

31:12

right that even though they've been

31:15

willing to outright defy the courts

31:17

to misinterpret what the Supreme Court

31:19

is saying, what district court judges

31:21

are saying, etc. It still is

31:23

the only place where you've had

31:25

a sort of meaningful organized resistance.

31:27

And it was interesting to me,

31:30

I know if you guys have

31:32

had a chance to read the

31:34

Time magazine interview with Trump, which

31:36

was all over the map. But

31:38

they asked him about the Supreme

31:40

Court unanimous decision with regard to,

31:42

hey, you got to facilitate the

31:44

return of Kilmara Brago Garcia. And

31:47

Trump, first of all, claimed that

31:49

his people didn't tell him that

31:51

that ruling went against him. He

31:53

wanted to make it clear that

31:55

he did not want to defy

31:57

the Supreme Court. Now, in reality,

31:59

they are defining the Supreme Court.

32:02

But it's at least interesting to

32:04

me that he doesn't want to

32:06

be seen as brazenly, like directly,

32:08

defying the Supreme Court and at

32:10

least wants to put some rhetorical

32:12

flourish on the direction they're going

32:14

in. I mean, I believe him

32:17

that they didn't tell. We saw,

32:19

there was footage that came out

32:21

with Stephen Miller, or Stephen Miller,

32:23

and I'm not convinced that that

32:25

that wasn't the first time that

32:27

he heard that he heard that.

32:29

What is really clear that, and

32:31

I think the poll numbers are

32:34

part of this, we should say

32:36

that I think it's the first

32:38

time that he is net negative

32:40

now on immigration, only by a

32:42

point or two, he's net negative

32:44

by dozens of points on just

32:46

about every other issue. I mean,

32:49

well into the teens and a

32:51

lot of this and sometimes even

32:53

further a net negative. But I

32:55

think what we're going to start

32:57

to see is the... the pace

32:59

and the ambition of different parts

33:01

of what was the overall agenda

33:03

move at a different pace and

33:06

start and there's gonna be it's

33:08

unclear to me like it's quite

33:10

obvious that Stephen Miller and I

33:12

think you can see that in

33:14

the context of the hexath signal

33:16

chat or maybe the first one

33:18

with the first Atlantic where it's

33:21

like Miller comes in and he's

33:23

the guy who has the last

33:25

word voice the president on attacking

33:27

On attacking Yemen. Yeah. Like that's

33:29

sort of outside of his portfolio.

33:31

I mean, granted, they're not, you

33:33

know, white people that were attacking.

33:36

So maybe that's why he has

33:38

a say in that. Yeah. This

33:40

portfolio is just evil doing. Evil

33:42

doing against the non-white people. Exactly.

33:44

Exactly. But this, I mean, I

33:46

can't help but think like there,

33:48

we're going to start to see.

33:50

different agendas in and how they're

33:53

represented by different people within the

33:55

Trump administration because Trump is quite

33:57

clear. just like he's just he's

33:59

so far removed from all of

34:01

this it seems to me at

34:03

this point I think the only

34:05

area that I would say he's

34:08

not far removed from is the

34:10

tariffs that seems to be like

34:12

the part that he's yeah that's

34:14

what he is he's into he's

34:16

making these insane decisions he's inventing

34:18

calls that he didn't even have

34:20

with his Chinese leadership like I

34:22

think that's all him But I

34:25

think you're right. There's 200 deals

34:27

on the table. That's right, 200

34:29

deals. Well, could you tell us

34:31

about any of them? No. No.

34:33

I can't reveal that. I should

34:35

also announce that I personally have

34:37

made 300 far of deals. Wow.

34:40

Congratulations, Sam. Well, I just got

34:42

off the phone with Presidentji. He's

34:44

doing great. you know, and we

34:46

also made roughly 3,000 deals together.

34:48

So we're doing it. Well, it's

34:50

a mistake to say who the

34:52

deals are. Yeah, you revealed too

34:55

much. You're learning. But I do

34:57

think that like we're going to

34:59

start to see that because, you

35:01

know, the Doe stuff has now,

35:03

it seems to me, fallen away

35:05

and they've fallen back to their

35:07

sort of like alimo position, which

35:09

is the the Russell vote. mechanism

35:12

of destroying the administrative state. It's

35:14

all, you know, we had someone

35:16

on the other day who was

35:18

former Doge and just because she

35:20

was with the US Digital Services

35:22

and she said this next wave

35:24

is all RIF stuff, reduction in

35:27

force, which actually is a mechanism

35:29

rather than the Doge which would

35:31

just go in and fire people.

35:33

and hack into systems and exactly

35:35

and yeah and and which is

35:37

not to say that it's any

35:39

better in some ways it's even

35:41

worse because it's like they've mapped

35:44

this out of how they gonna

35:46

do it from a legal standpoint

35:48

but it feels like the tariff

35:50

stuff like you say is is

35:52

trumps baby but He's, it's fallen

35:54

apart for him now. Like it's

35:56

as if, it's as if, it's

35:59

as if Peter Navarro didn't know

36:01

what he was talking about. But

36:03

there, he's getting warnings now, like

36:05

I have, you know, there's a

36:07

half a dozen stories that are

36:09

out there today of like, he

36:11

was surprised that all these shipping

36:14

containers from China basically, they're not

36:16

sending stuff. Like they decided, it's

36:18

just not worth it. Did you

36:20

see the impression he was just

36:22

going to make a lot of

36:24

money as they come in? Did

36:26

you see the Jeff Stein report

36:28

that now they're meeting about these

36:31

rare earth metals? Yes. Like, oh

36:33

shit, like China cut those off.

36:35

That was the most obvious tactic

36:37

China would take. It's like, you

36:39

didn't think about this? This didn't

36:41

occur to you before now? I

36:43

mean, not that that surprises me

36:46

because all of this attempt to

36:48

sane wash him or, oh, actually

36:50

you don't understand the grand plan

36:52

in the 40. chess and the

36:54

treasury bonds and the de-dollarization, we're

36:56

going to use the stable coin

36:58

to, you know, be able to

37:00

prop up the dollar, whatever. That

37:03

was not going on. Trump likes

37:05

tariffs because he likes power. He

37:07

likes to be put in the

37:09

position of having these people come

37:11

to him and have to ask

37:13

for what they want and him

37:15

being able to bully him. He

37:18

likes that. And so that's what

37:20

he likes about tariffs. Now I

37:22

think other people in the administration

37:24

had different ideas of what this

37:26

was going to be about, whether

37:28

it's, oh, we're going to bring

37:30

the manufacturing jobs back, whether it's,

37:32

oh, we're going to try to

37:35

get the Treasury yields down, which

37:37

that completely and utterly failed. There

37:39

were some chamber of commerce types

37:41

that were like, we're going to

37:43

use the threat of tariffs to

37:45

actually get to zero percent tariffs.

37:47

which you know was it's like

37:50

okay well then you could have

37:52

just stayed in TPP I guess

37:54

if that was ultimately your goal

37:56

but for Trump I think it

37:58

really comes down to vibes and

38:00

control and power and I also

38:02

think that truly the connective tissue

38:05

and this gets to you know

38:07

some of the comments in the

38:09

Democratic Party about oligarchy etc. the

38:11

connective tissue between all of these

38:13

things is just an all-out assault

38:15

on the working class. You know,

38:17

they, terrorists are deeply regressive, they've

38:19

been feeding insider info to close,

38:22

you know, Wall Street executives, etc.

38:24

who can benefit from these massive

38:26

market movements, they're going to give

38:28

a huge tax cut to the

38:30

rich, doge is all about destroying

38:32

the government's ability to regulate so

38:34

that business can treat workers however

38:37

the hell they want, and so

38:39

that you have no access to

38:41

social safety net. benefit programs even

38:43

if you technically are entitled to

38:45

them. So you know that to

38:47

me is the most cohesive way

38:49

of understanding an actual project here.

38:51

And the tariffs also I think

38:54

you're right that it's about him

38:56

consolidating power and also wanting people

38:58

to come to him so he

39:00

can be the deal maker. But

39:02

there's also the insane almost conservative

39:04

ideological thing that might be behind

39:06

it where he may be getting

39:09

some backing from looney tune like

39:11

gold standard conservatives like who think

39:13

this is a way to basically

39:15

eliminate the income tax right on

39:17

that's a way that he talks

39:19

about right but he talks about

39:21

McKinley and this era as a

39:24

time waxing poetically about how there

39:26

was no income tax at this

39:28

time and how tariffs could be

39:30

replacing that I mean that's not

39:32

going to happen right obviously but

39:34

I do think he thinks that

39:36

way yeah well and Not only

39:38

was there no income tax at

39:41

that time, there was next to

39:43

no like labor regulation at that

39:45

time, people who want to champion

39:47

this policy like the Bachios of

39:49

the world, want to evoke images

39:51

of the 1953, like the peak

39:53

of post-war manufacturing in America when

39:56

these were good regulated union jobs

39:58

by and large, Trump's not saying

40:00

that. Trump's saying, hey, let's go

40:02

back to the turn of the

40:04

century and when we didn't have

40:06

child labor laws to deal with,

40:08

when, you know, people, it was

40:10

much more of a Dickensian type

40:13

atmosphere, you're talking. Upton Sinclair, the

40:15

jungle, you're talking triangle, shirt waist

40:17

fire, you're talking extremely low wages,

40:19

extremely dangerous, extremely dirty. These were

40:21

not good jobs. Trump wants to

40:23

put American workers back in this,

40:25

you know, sweatshop era race to

40:28

the bottom. He's not looking to

40:30

clearly to rebuild some sort of

40:32

working class power. Quite the opposite.

40:34

And in that way, his interests

40:36

with the terrorists are quite aligned

40:38

with the interests of whether it's

40:40

Elon Musk or any of the

40:43

other, you know, favored oligarchs. It

40:45

really also does feel like they

40:47

did not understand the dynamic between

40:49

China and us. I mean, it's

40:51

as if, like, it never occurred

40:53

to them, say, like, what percentage

40:55

of their exports are coming here

40:57

and that they didn't occur to

41:00

them, like... they might be able

41:02

to make up that twelve percent

41:04

other places like they can play

41:06

hardball with us i mean on

41:08

some level it feels like iraq

41:10

in many ways the iraq invasion

41:12

in occupation the u.s. invasion occupation

41:15

of iraq revealed the united states

41:17

in many respects as a paper

41:19

tiger and it feels like this

41:21

moment uh... with the tariffs regardless

41:23

of if we go back to

41:25

what the status quo was six

41:27

months ago is also now revealed

41:29

the sort of like that there's

41:32

a bit of a from an

41:34

economic standpoint where a bit of

41:36

a paper tiger because you know

41:38

the idea of apparently like Bloomberg

41:40

reported that American meat exports there

41:42

was 12,000 metric tons of US

41:44

pork was ordered by Chinese they

41:47

canceled. They canceled. They canceled. They

41:49

canceled. They canceled. They canceled. They

41:51

canceled. They canceled. They canceled. They

41:53

canceled. And, you know, our system

41:55

is just not prepared to absorb,

41:57

like, who do we sell to?

41:59

Right. And I think like Australia

42:01

doesn't want our meat. That's the

42:04

thing that they were upset about

42:06

and it's because no, they have

42:08

plenty of cattle and beef and

42:10

also it's more regulated so it's

42:12

safer. So they don't want our dirty,

42:15

our dirty meat. Well, I would

42:17

say too that, you know, a

42:19

preview of this was when we

42:21

threw the entire economic sanctions playbook

42:23

at Russia. thinking that that

42:25

would cause you know severe

42:28

economic contraction and potentially regime

42:30

collapse within Russia and you

42:32

know not not going to say that it

42:34

was nothing for them but they were

42:36

able to sustain that to withstand

42:38

that far better than most economists

42:41

but then any economist I saw

42:43

expected and you know part of

42:45

that is that Russia and China

42:48

and the Brooks coalition in general

42:50

but specifically those two nations they

42:52

have recognized that their dependence on

42:55

the US and on our financial

42:57

and banking system and these sorts

42:59

of things that this was a

43:01

vulnerability for them. So they've been

43:04

preparing and so you know China

43:06

also had a little bit I

43:08

think we threw all of that at

43:10

Russia in this incredible thanks

43:12

to regime that also helped them

43:15

to game out what this could

43:17

potentially look like for them. And apparently,

43:19

according to Financial Times,

43:21

Beijing basically said, you

43:24

got to cancel all

43:26

your unilateral tariff measures

43:28

before we didn't engage in

43:30

trade talks. Like, I mean,

43:33

they're basically saying, we're not

43:35

sitting down with you unless you

43:37

go back to zero. And, you know,

43:39

it is, it's going to be

43:41

interesting to see, like, you know, if

43:44

Trump, I think there's probably

43:46

like a three-week window.

43:48

that we're already going to see

43:50

some type of of we're going to

43:52

see the implications of this within

43:55

two or three weeks right like in

43:57

the like the the that would however the

43:59

long the supply line sort

44:01

of cycle was, however much

44:03

slack there was in there,

44:06

that's going to run out.

44:08

And I think that's like

44:10

basically the timeline. If he

44:12

doesn't do reverse by then,

44:14

it's just going to get worse

44:16

and worse for him and for

44:18

frankly farmers and other manufacturers

44:21

and it's all... It's going

44:23

to be a mess. And

44:26

manufacturing jobs, we just saw Intel,

44:28

and I know that they've had problems

44:30

for a while, but they're laying

44:32

off 20% of their workforce. And you're

44:35

seeing, like, I think it was the

44:37

Richmond Fed of the 12 Fed districts,

44:40

was projecting incredible losses

44:42

of manufacturing jobs in particular. So,

44:44

like, this is going to have

44:47

an effect, and people are going

44:49

to feel that in real life.

44:51

as Trump says this is about

44:54

bringing manufacturing back and I wonder

44:56

what the political implications are of

44:58

that just because Trump has a very,

45:00

he has a high floor. Like I

45:02

don't know if he gets down to

45:04

17% disapproval ever or something like that

45:06

because he has this cult following. But

45:09

maybe that's what does it. right? When

45:11

we start to lose jobs and if

45:13

the economy really gets into a deeper

45:15

session, I don't know what you think

45:17

about that crystal. I really don't know.

45:19

To me, it's still an open question

45:21

because I think you're right to say

45:23

we can't project what we've seen in

45:25

the past about how high his floor

45:27

is into this administration because this

45:30

administration is qualitatively different than what

45:32

we saw in Trump 1.0. And

45:34

also, you know, typically... when leaders face

45:36

some sort of a crisis and they

45:39

have to manage it and it goes

45:41

well or it goes poorly, usually there

45:43

was some sort of an external factor

45:45

that at least contributed to that crisis.

45:48

The fact that this is wholly 100%

45:50

self-generated is really an extraordinary thing. And

45:52

Sam is exactly right. You have been

45:54

digging into this like transport and logistics

45:56

Twitter like these guys that follow the

45:59

trucking industry. or that manage the ports

46:01

and these sorts of things. And

46:03

apparently, it takes about 30 days

46:05

to get cargo from China to

46:07

LA. That'll be the port where

46:09

you first start to really see

46:11

things hit. And then it's about

46:13

45 days to Houston and then

46:15

other places, you know, the timing

46:17

is a little bit different. But

46:19

we're coming up on that. Now,

46:21

one thing I'll say is that

46:24

some of these businesses anticipated, they

46:26

knew some sort of tariff regime

46:28

was coming, they increased their inventory

46:30

and anticipation of that. But even if

46:32

he completely walks back now, which is

46:34

not happening yet, even if he completely

46:36

walks away now, I think there's gonna

46:38

be a tremendous impact. And we all

46:41

saw the way in COVID, you can't

46:43

just snap your fingers and have these

46:45

things go back to normal. There's going

46:47

to be a massive impact from this.

46:49

You had Walmart Home Depot, CEOs of

46:51

these companies go to Trump and say,

46:54

hey, we're a couple weeks from having

46:56

empty parts that, you know, shelves, like

46:58

this is getting very real. You just,

47:00

you don't have this, a cushion. You don't

47:02

have a cushion. And maybe you thought, okay,

47:05

maybe he's serious about 10 or 20% tariffs.

47:07

Here's how I can plan. Here's how I

47:09

can deal with that. when you get to

47:11

145% like it's over it's done there's nothing

47:14

you can do there is no way you

47:16

can withstand that and so you'll see a

47:18

number of small business bankruptcies you'll see

47:20

them getting wiped out you're gonna

47:22

see prices going up Amazon sellers

47:24

are already hiking their prices now

47:26

like that's what's really wild is

47:28

we're in this sort of in-between

47:31

period where we all know it's

47:33

gonna hit and it has not

47:35

hit yet and nobody knows exactly

47:37

how severe that's going to be.

47:39

You can see the tide going

47:41

out and that's like this is

47:43

like with tsunami time, but we

47:45

just don't know how much you

47:47

have to run up the beach

47:49

at this point to get to

47:52

high ground. And I mean, I

47:54

don't know in any other

47:56

context I would ever even have

47:58

this thought, but he's. So he's

48:01

so I think like

48:03

mentally unpredictable. One

48:05

wonders if

48:07

as he's getting hundreds

48:10

of millions of

48:12

dollars coming in

48:14

with this meme coin thing,

48:17

if he's going to fully

48:19

sort of be able to

48:22

wrap his head around or

48:24

care about the implications

48:27

of of the terrorists.

48:30

I mean if Miller has been effective

48:32

in shielding him from the

48:34

idea that he's been basically

48:36

telling the his administration has

48:39

been telling the Supreme Court

48:41

we're just not going to

48:43

pay attention you know building

48:46

whatever sort of like I

48:48

think the Supreme Court at the

48:50

end of the day wants to do

48:52

what is consistent with,

48:54

you know, Republican and

48:57

conservative ideology, but there's

48:59

still some of that

49:01

like, wait, we're judges,

49:04

type of mentality. I

49:06

wonder if he's not

49:08

shielded from that, like, we

49:10

feel like I feel like we're

49:12

one good. critique of Bissant

49:14

away where if like Navarro gets

49:17

a line in like did you

49:19

see the shirt he was wearing

49:21

today? And Bissant goes and then

49:23

Navarro's back into the oval office.

49:26

Totally. And you know because Mosk

49:28

is gone. I really do think

49:30

this is sort of like. So

49:32

Stephen Miller seems like the shadow

49:34

president but then Navarro is all

49:36

over the tariff stuff but like

49:38

to that point in that time

49:40

interview his quote was I love

49:42

the concept of a millionaire tax

49:44

hike but it quote may not

49:46

be acceptable to the public So

49:48

like that the point is is

49:50

that that's how detached from reality

49:52

he is he's how he used

49:54

to be able to be a

49:56

very effective crowd surfer but since

49:58

he lost the He has had

50:01

no tether to any sane

50:03

society, to any sense of

50:05

liberal New York, even like

50:07

elites, right? And he's been

50:10

hold up in Maralago. in

50:12

OANNNville, he doesn't even understand that like you,

50:14

I know they're not going to do this

50:16

millionaire tax hike, but you should know that

50:18

that's a good thing for you politically if

50:20

that's what you care about. His view of

50:23

the public is like the billionaires in his

50:25

cabinet. Exactly. Like that's where he's getting his

50:27

reading from. He's like, well, they probably won't

50:29

like it, so we're going to avoid it.

50:31

I mean, you know, one of the things that

50:34

I've been thinking that I've been

50:36

thinking about, thinking about is All

50:38

of these people are so brain

50:40

poisoned, they're so like online brain

50:42

poisoned. And I think one

50:44

of the qualities of having

50:46

that particular illness is that

50:48

everything becomes sort of unreal

50:50

to you. You know, so

50:52

like the massive carnage that

50:55

you are perpetrating on the

50:57

global economy and small businesses

50:59

and on workers and what

51:01

it's going to do to

51:03

prices. Like it feels like

51:05

nothing is really real, like,

51:07

nothing matters, you know, that's

51:09

always what people, oh, nothing

51:11

really matters. Nihilistic presidency. Yeah, and

51:13

so I think, I think it's that,

51:16

I think also, you know, in Trump's

51:18

first term, he did some tariffs, much,

51:20

much, much, much, much more limited

51:22

than what we're talking about here,

51:24

but there was an economic, like,

51:26

economists, were really concerned about what

51:28

those tariffs were going to do

51:30

and the price hikes and what

51:32

would it mean for farmers, But

51:34

I think in his mind, he's

51:36

like, well, it didn't come to

51:38

this catastrophic end that everyone predicted.

51:40

And so I think he just

51:42

doesn't, you know, he just thinks

51:44

he can do anything and that

51:47

it will never have the consequences

51:49

that the experts are really predicting. And,

51:51

you know, this plays into his view

51:53

of the polls being wrong in those sorts

51:55

of things. So I do think that

51:57

there, plus he's a psychopath, so that doesn't.

52:00

help things. And I think there is just

52:02

a total disconnect from the actual impacts of

52:04

his policy. He definitely doesn't care whether or

52:06

not Republicans win the midterms. I mean, he's

52:08

not trying to work through Congress. He's doing

52:11

whatever he wants on his own. So what

52:13

differences it make to him, whether or not

52:15

Republicans have control of the House, have control

52:17

of the Senate. And as I said before,

52:20

you know, I think you're going to see

52:22

increasingly authoritarian tactics and police state

52:24

taxes are already seeing plenty of

52:26

that, but I think that's going

52:28

to continue to get ramped up

52:30

as his popularity slips and there's

52:32

more and more need for him

52:34

to crush dissent and assert total

52:36

control and dominance. I mean, I think

52:38

just to expand on what you're saying, like

52:40

I think, you know, I wonder part of

52:43

what drives him on the tariff front

52:45

is that Biden maintain those tariffs

52:47

and in some places you know

52:49

whether it was through like the

52:51

chips act or the IRA he

52:53

expanded on them and he needs to

52:55

sort of like I'm gonna be more

52:58

than Biden and and then on

53:00

the floodside in terms of what

53:02

we're gonna see in terms of

53:04

authoritarianism like in in Trump

53:06

1.0 it felt like whenever there was

53:08

any type of Scandal and there

53:11

was a ton of scandals in that

53:13

first time I wonder people remember how

53:15

many people had to resign by even

53:17

by this point I think there was

53:20

like three or four five resonations this

53:22

like barely lasted a month or two

53:24

and but like the guy from Oklahoma

53:26

was at the EPA was already talking

53:29

about using like his and yeah I

53:31

mean there was multiple of people who

53:33

had to be jettisoned they're not going

53:35

to jettison anybody they're basically in for

53:38

I think you know hexith could literally

53:40

be projecting war plans you know on

53:42

a on a screen on the Pentagon

53:44

and I think he would be fine

53:46

but in that iteration of

53:49

the Trump administration it they

53:51

immediately went to attacking a

53:54

black person like it was

53:56

like I mean I can't remember

53:58

like all the different There was

54:00

like a half a dozen, whether

54:02

it was, you know, the squad

54:04

members, whether it was Capernik, I

54:07

mean, there was so many. And

54:09

I think they're going to use

54:11

immigrants in that same way this

54:13

time. And I think they're hoping

54:15

that that's going to be their

54:17

elixir, I guess, to get out

54:19

of, I don't know, a bad

54:21

news cycle. Well, he thinks Miller's

54:23

perspective. He thinks his biggest mistake

54:25

in the first term was like

54:28

ever listening to anyone about anything.

54:30

Yeah, I mean, that's what in

54:32

the off season while they were

54:34

out of office, the whole plan

54:36

was, okay, whatever guardrails were in

54:38

place last time, we may need

54:40

to make damn sure none of

54:42

those exist this time around. And

54:44

this is actually a core sort

54:46

of magga movement belief, is that

54:49

the problem with Trump 1.0 was

54:51

that you had, you know, you

54:53

know, John McCain there to give

54:55

the thumbs down on the health

54:57

care, people like Jared Kushner or

54:59

Mark Millie or the Deep State

55:01

or Asper to rein him in

55:03

when he says, hey, let's shoot

55:05

protesters in the knees. Like, that

55:08

is their assessment of what went

55:10

wrong in Trump point point one

55:12

point out. So they took a

55:14

very intentional, that's part of what

55:16

Project 2025 was, very intentional effort

55:18

to make sure that whether it's

55:20

Republicans in Congress, whether it's law

55:22

firms, whether it's media, whether it's

55:24

universities, whether it's the courts, these

55:26

things are not going to stand

55:29

in their way this time. And

55:31

that's what Schedule F is about

55:33

as well, making sure you only

55:35

have loyalistic offense in place so

55:37

that This time around, if Trump

55:39

says, hey, I want to do

55:41

the insurrection act, there's not going

55:43

to be anyone there to say,

55:45

here's why that would be really

55:48

horrible and you shouldn't do it.

55:50

And you know, that's what we've

55:52

seen. You couple that with, of

55:54

course, the fact the Supreme Court

55:56

gave him blanket immunity, more or

55:58

less. And you have someone who

56:00

is just completely unhinged, absolute id

56:02

and going to go to the

56:04

most maximless places he has ever

56:06

imagined. you know, just one other

56:09

note on that. This is a

56:11

point that Emily Tshinsky, who I

56:13

work with, made that I thought

56:15

was astute, which is on the

56:17

terrorists specifically, if you actually wanted

56:19

to do a real like industrial

56:21

protectionist policy involving terrorists that has

56:23

some intelligence, some, you know, some

56:25

sort of intellect behind it, you

56:27

would have brought back Robert Leithizer,

56:30

like whether you agree with his

56:32

ideology or not, this guy who's

56:34

thoughtful, you know what he's talking

56:36

about. could do something that was

56:38

actually coherent. But you don't go

56:40

with Lighthizer. Instead, you go with

56:42

Howard Lutnik and Peter Navarro and

56:44

these types. Navarro is a complete

56:46

ideological crank who by the way

56:49

just got on a prison and

56:51

so was also in this like

56:53

yellow burn it all down mode.

56:55

Lutnik is seems to just be

56:57

a complete idiot and then you've

56:59

got Besson there to try to

57:01

like sane wash the whole enterprise.

57:03

So I thought that was an

57:05

interesting indication too of even Lighthouse

57:07

because he had some level of

57:10

intellectual independence even though he was

57:12

aligned with the stated magga protectionist

57:14

goals even he couldn't be brought

57:16

into this administration. I mean, that's

57:18

interesting. I think, again, I think

57:20

you're right. The number one factor

57:22

to get hired was how much

57:24

resistance are you going to put

57:26

up? Or, you know, am I

57:29

going to be, are there going

57:31

to be leaks about this, which

57:33

is why we're not seeing those

57:35

same leaks this time, because they're

57:37

all just loyalty was just their

57:39

number one, I guess, credential that

57:41

they needed. to get the job.

57:43

I want to just turn before

57:45

we go and hold you a

57:47

little longer if you don't mind.

57:50

The flip side is how the

57:52

Democrats are responding to this and

57:54

there is clearly a fight going

57:56

on the Democratic Party right now.

57:58

It's unclear to me exactly where

58:00

everybody lines up. we're watching rama

58:02

manual you know get out there

58:04

and uh... uh... slotnik uh... complaint

58:06

in the slotkin sorry right note

58:08

yeah slotkin what's a slotkin you're

58:11

going to be done myself too

58:13

whatever she you know arguing that

58:15

people don't know what the word

58:17

oligarchy means and all these all

58:19

these idiots are showing up on

58:21

this massive tour apparently without any

58:23

idea of what they're going to

58:25

see yeah and uh... and and

58:27

and then you know i i

58:30

can't quite figure out what's going

58:32

on with Martin and Hogg. Yeah.

58:34

At the DNC. I don't know

58:36

if Hogg is looking for candidates

58:38

on the same sort of criteria

58:40

that I would be. I heard

58:42

him say progressive, which was encouraging,

58:44

but I would like to know

58:46

more information about, you know, what

58:48

the credentials are for the primary

58:51

challenges. Yeah. I'm David hub curious,

58:53

let's say that. Yes, exactly. Well,

58:55

I like the idea of primaries

58:57

and I like the fact that

58:59

like the DNC, there is at

59:01

least someone at the DNC who

59:03

realizes we need to have a

59:05

little bit more churn than we're

59:07

having, you know, with our candidates.

59:09

It's just unclear to me what

59:12

you know, his credentials are in

59:14

that instance. What is your sense

59:16

of how this fight is breaking

59:18

down? Like, what's the next step?

59:20

I mean, it feels like there's

59:22

Bernie and AOC who are staking

59:24

out a vision for where Democrats

59:26

go, bootages is on his tour

59:28

of podcasts, which, you know, let

59:31

a thousand flowers bloom, but where

59:33

is the, you know, the person

59:35

that I want to vote for

59:37

going on those podcasts? What's your

59:39

sense of that or is it

59:41

just too nascent? I know I

59:43

think there's some interesting dynamics developing.

59:45

I mean, so first of all,

59:47

the immediate instinct from most Democrats

59:49

after Trump's victory and the quote-unquote

59:52

vibe shift was to run and

59:54

hide capitulate. vote for the Lake

59:56

and Riley Act, Mika and Joe

59:58

to run tomorrow, lago, etc. And

1:00:00

so the people who really stepped

1:00:02

in the breach were mostly on

1:00:04

the left. I mean it mostly

1:00:06

was Bernie, AOC, you could name

1:00:08

a few others, Maxwell, Frost. Jasmine

1:00:11

Crockett is not exactly where we

1:00:13

are, but you know you had

1:00:15

a few people emerge. And Bernie

1:00:17

and AOC have really taken command.

1:00:19

They provided the intellectual framing, they've

1:00:21

given people something to do by

1:00:23

showing up at these big rallies

1:00:25

and being in solidarity together, and

1:00:27

so I think they've been really,

1:00:29

really important. And you also have

1:00:32

a sense that, okay, the way

1:00:34

that the establishment Democrats were fighting

1:00:36

Trump, it didn't work, right? It

1:00:38

was a failure. And meanwhile, you

1:00:40

know, it starts to become pretty

1:00:42

obvious that some of the things

1:00:44

that Bernie was saying were correct

1:00:46

in had enough juice to fight

1:00:48

the fascist onslaught that we're seeing

1:00:50

now, whereas the liberal approach, the,

1:00:53

you know, embodied by Biden, embodied

1:00:55

by Kamala, did not have enough

1:00:57

strength to meet the moment and

1:00:59

did not offer enough of a

1:01:01

narrative. an oppositional narrative to what

1:01:03

Trump and the, you know, and

1:01:05

his fellow fascists are ultimately pushing.

1:01:07

So I think the Democratic base,

1:01:09

mostly they just want people to

1:01:12

who are putting up a fight

1:01:14

because they feel themselves under threat,

1:01:16

but I also think they have

1:01:18

become ideologically more radicalized on a

1:01:20

broad variety of issues. I mean,

1:01:22

you see this in the Luigi

1:01:24

posting, you see this just in

1:01:26

terms of, you know, they're, the

1:01:28

way they're showing up these town

1:01:30

halls and the issues that they're

1:01:33

talking about, where they are in

1:01:35

Palestine, all of those sorts of

1:01:37

things. And so, you know, for,

1:01:39

I've been watching some MSMBC lately,

1:01:41

and for some of these hosts,

1:01:43

that is very uncomfortable that Bernie

1:01:45

and AOC are really the leaders

1:01:47

of the Democratic of the party

1:01:49

is never going to be okay

1:01:52

with that. Doesn't matter what and

1:01:54

so people are starting to reveal

1:01:56

which side of this divide they're

1:01:58

all on. Some of the people,

1:02:00

like, I have to give credit

1:02:02

to, like, Nicole Wallace. I think

1:02:04

she genuinely sees Trump as a

1:02:06

fascist threat, genuinely sees Bernie and

1:02:08

AOC out there doing something successful,

1:02:10

and is like, great, let's go

1:02:13

with that. And then I think

1:02:15

you see other people like Alyssa

1:02:17

Slotkin, who clearly sees something that's

1:02:19

working and wants to try to

1:02:21

undermine it. And, you know, it's

1:02:23

going to be, I think we're

1:02:25

going to have more people revealing

1:02:27

themselves. over the coming months of

1:02:29

who is going to say, okay,

1:02:31

this is the direction that is

1:02:34

working, that people are responding to,

1:02:36

we can do something with, and

1:02:38

who are going to actively try

1:02:40

to undercut it. Also, like the

1:02:42

abundance agenda, people kind of, you

1:02:44

know, fit into this somewhere as

1:02:46

well. But yeah, I think I

1:02:48

think that's where I see things

1:02:50

shaking out. And, you know, the

1:02:53

last thing I'll say is that

1:02:55

I've been thinking about recently is

1:02:57

it goes back to the millionaire

1:02:59

tax thing. So, you know, the

1:03:01

public won't support a millionaire tax.

1:03:03

He also said that it would

1:03:05

be very disruptive. Imagine this man

1:03:07

saying that this would be too

1:03:09

disruptive and millionaires will lose the

1:03:11

country, leave the country, etc. I

1:03:14

saw someone saying, listen, if you

1:03:16

actually polled millionaires, would you rather

1:03:18

get taxed a little bit more

1:03:20

through a millionaires tax, like something

1:03:22

or a wealth tax in the

1:03:24

AOC or Bernie would propose, or

1:03:26

would you rather have this insane

1:03:28

trade war that could literally destroy

1:03:30

the entire global economy? And so

1:03:32

I think that Trumpism right now

1:03:35

is making a more left-wing solution,

1:03:37

not only more necessary for a

1:03:39

democratic base, but more palatable across

1:03:41

the board, because you see the

1:03:43

alternative, is not only a loss

1:03:45

of democracy, which business doesn't really

1:03:47

care about, not only a rise

1:03:49

of fascism, but a complete, like,

1:03:51

potential economic devastation that is also

1:03:54

unacceptable. on board with this, where

1:03:56

you're having to be, yes, taxed

1:03:58

more and, yes, fund more of

1:04:00

a social safety net, the communists

1:04:02

are either going to take your

1:04:04

shit or you've got the fascist

1:04:06

waiting in the wings as well.

1:04:08

Now some of the business would

1:04:10

have gone with the fascist, but

1:04:12

enough was able to come together

1:04:15

that you're able to create this

1:04:17

durable coalition. So I think there

1:04:19

are some remarkable political possibilities that

1:04:21

exist right now that did not

1:04:23

exist in the past. However, I'm

1:04:25

also acutely aware that we have

1:04:27

to even get to that point

1:04:29

and I am worried about, you

1:04:31

know. even being able to make

1:04:34

it to elections that are free

1:04:36

and fair enough that people genuinely

1:04:38

have a choice of the political

1:04:40

direction of the future. We're going

1:04:42

to talk later in the fun

1:04:44

half about this millionaire text because

1:04:46

to me what it shows is

1:04:48

like fundamentally There is no populist

1:04:50

movement amongst the Republicans. There may

1:04:52

be a faction, you know, Steve

1:04:55

Bannon may have some vision for

1:04:57

this, but fundamentally, there's just no

1:04:59

way they're going to raise taxes

1:05:01

on wealthy people. It is a

1:05:03

Republican party. He is a Republican

1:05:05

president. He still needs them on

1:05:07

some level. He dally, you know,

1:05:09

he played footsy with it for

1:05:11

a day or two. Somebody brought

1:05:13

it up in the White House

1:05:16

and it was immediately leaked in

1:05:18

every, you know, rep- public and

1:05:20

stalwart jumped on and including my

1:05:22

Johnson. But the thing in terms

1:05:24

of the Democrats that is really

1:05:26

different now that I think was

1:05:28

eight years ago in 2017 at

1:05:30

this time it was something like

1:05:32

60% of Democrats if you asked

1:05:35

them what do you want Democrats

1:05:37

to do with the Trump administration

1:05:39

they would have said compromise. Come

1:05:41

to a middle ground on legislation

1:05:43

etc etc etc etc etc. It

1:05:45

is completely flipped now. yet and

1:05:47

i think that is a i

1:05:49

think that's like in part uh...

1:05:51

because of trump uh... but i

1:05:53

think it's also part in terms

1:05:56

of like uh... generationally people understanding

1:05:58

where the republican party is only

1:06:00

people going out there like you

1:06:02

say who are taking a polarized

1:06:04

position was AOC and Bernie and

1:06:06

the you know Chuck Schumer goes

1:06:08

in is like well we got

1:06:10

to fund the government because it's

1:06:12

the only way I got to

1:06:15

get on my anti-Semitism tour and

1:06:17

the I think people like Sloc

1:06:19

can see that and say okay

1:06:21

I'm gonna make it look like

1:06:23

I'm having a fight by saying

1:06:25

the word fight and tough and

1:06:27

tough and football. Yeah. But you're

1:06:29

not really having that much of

1:06:31

a... You know, it's all got

1:06:33

to be on the process stuff,

1:06:36

which I think is very important,

1:06:38

obviously. And I really do think

1:06:40

that Trump is an authoritarian threat.

1:06:42

But on a policy level... What

1:06:45

legislation would she do that the

1:06:47

Republicans aren't going to do in

1:06:49

some fashion? She may temper the

1:06:51

distribution of tax cuts and whatnot,

1:06:54

but I'm just not, there's no

1:06:56

clear polarized lines. They'll say, you

1:06:58

know, kitchen table issues, but they

1:07:00

won't actually describe what that is.

1:07:03

It's just like, it's fascinating. What

1:07:05

should we talk about kitchen table

1:07:07

issues? What are those? Right. Well,

1:07:09

and we should be talking about

1:07:11

more. This is the power of

1:07:14

the oligarchy frame is that encompasses

1:07:16

not only the assault on democracy,

1:07:18

but also it's a material critique

1:07:20

as well. And so that's why

1:07:22

I think it's actually the perfect

1:07:25

framing because you can hang not

1:07:27

only the, you know, tax cuts

1:07:29

for the rich on it, you

1:07:31

can also hang the, you know,

1:07:33

mass deportation with no due process

1:07:36

into a foreign gulag and assault

1:07:38

on all of our rights, the

1:07:40

insider trading, you know, doge in

1:07:42

the defenestration of the regulatory state,

1:07:44

so the big business and the

1:07:47

favored Algar class can do whatever

1:07:49

they want. There's all sorts of,

1:07:51

you know, pieces that the Trump

1:07:53

administration is fomenting right now that

1:07:56

fit squarely into that framing. And

1:07:58

again, it's both about your rights

1:08:00

and democracy. but it also has

1:08:02

the right sort of divisive politics

1:08:04

that is around a class critique.

1:08:07

And so, which is exactly why

1:08:09

this, Alissa Slockins of the world

1:08:11

say, oh, no, not that. Let's

1:08:13

not talk about that, right? Because

1:08:15

it's uncomfortable for her and, you

1:08:18

know, whatever part of the Democratic

1:08:20

Party that she represents. And I'll

1:08:22

be watching Pete very closely because

1:08:24

I do think, I mean... Pete

1:08:26

has rhetorical skill, you know, I

1:08:29

think he came off pretty well

1:08:31

in that podcast, he can go

1:08:33

into Fox News, etc. But I'm

1:08:35

very skeptical of him and, you

1:08:37

know, expect him much more to

1:08:40

align with this sort of illicit

1:08:42

slot can winging the party. I

1:08:44

could easily see a sort of

1:08:46

like AOC versus Pete primary coming

1:08:49

at us in 2028. I wonder

1:08:51

if slotkin would appreciate more like

1:08:53

eat the rich, um, campaigns. Right.

1:08:55

Right? I mean, like, well, that's

1:08:57

so complicated. I don't get it.

1:09:00

Actually, the rich, it's too complicated.

1:09:02

Yeah. Like, I mean, I, you

1:09:04

know, substitute what you want for

1:09:06

the word oligarchy. Right. It's, it's,

1:09:08

it's, it's impressive that she's trying

1:09:11

to make that argument in Michigan

1:09:13

of all places. Yeah. Right? I

1:09:15

mean, because you got a little

1:09:17

bit of higher union density there

1:09:19

and people, that's not a word

1:09:22

that people is so, I guess

1:09:24

bizarre for people in Michigan. I

1:09:26

know. We'll see how far that

1:09:28

goes. Crystal, Paul, thank you so

1:09:31

much for your time today. People

1:09:33

will put a link obviously to

1:09:35

Crystal Kyle and friends and to

1:09:37

Breaking Points. Appreciate your time. Doing

1:09:39

great work over there. Thanks to

1:09:42

you guys too. Always great to

1:09:44

see you. Great to see you.

1:09:46

Should we play this clip from

1:09:48

Chuck Schumer or wait? Do you

1:09:50

want to do it in the

1:09:53

fun after you want to do

1:09:55

it now? Let's do it. No,

1:09:57

no, this is too fun. It's

1:09:59

Friday. Come on. Can't delay the

1:10:01

Chuck Schumer gratification. Yes, this is

1:10:04

it. We're going to be very

1:10:06

around. It's folks are going to

1:10:08

get aroused with this clip. And

1:10:10

I'm putting you on notice right

1:10:12

now. One thing you should know

1:10:15

going into this. I don't know

1:10:17

if there's still roommates in Washington

1:10:19

DC. But Durbin and Schumer were

1:10:21

roommates in DC. I maybe maybe

1:10:24

do like a bunk situation. I

1:10:26

don't know if they had bunk

1:10:28

beds or you know it was

1:10:30

more like the odd couple when

1:10:32

they first came to DC they

1:10:35

were roommates and there was some

1:10:37

talk that like they may have

1:10:39

been rivals to follow Harry Reed

1:10:41

on some level Dick Durbin has

1:10:44

announced his retirement. Now I think

1:10:46

Durbin is a little bit older

1:10:48

than Chuck Schumer. He is, yeah,

1:10:51

but this is a big one

1:10:53

because he was one of the

1:10:55

10 that voted for the dirty

1:10:57

continuing resolution, right? Durbin was one

1:11:00

of those 10. Can we just

1:11:02

double check and fact check that

1:11:04

Russ that voted to wish humor

1:11:06

to keep the government open? But

1:11:09

and everybody there was... not for

1:11:11

re-election in 2026 or retiring like

1:11:13

Shihi in New Hampshire and now

1:11:15

Durbin formally announced it. But it

1:11:18

was speculated because he's literally 80

1:11:20

years old. And here is Chuck

1:11:22

Schumer asked if, uh, dude, now

1:11:24

that you have no roommate, what

1:11:27

are you doing? And I think

1:11:29

it's time for me to pass

1:11:31

the torch on to another candidate.

1:11:35

But have you given any

1:11:38

thought to a more specific

1:11:40

timeline? When it comes to

1:11:42

passing the torch, yourself, are

1:11:44

you even giving that some

1:11:46

thought right now? Right now

1:11:48

I am focused on showing

1:11:51

the American people how bad

1:11:53

Trump's economics are for them,

1:11:55

how he is putting our

1:11:57

democracy at risk, and I

1:11:59

am totally focused on that.

1:12:01

As you said, I was

1:12:04

out on Long Island today.

1:12:06

Is it at all six?

1:12:08

The bailies? Six of the

1:12:10

seven Republican congressional districts talking

1:12:12

about tariffs, talking about the

1:12:14

economy, talking about how bad

1:12:17

cutting Medicaid would be, particularly

1:12:19

in our rural areas. That's

1:12:21

my focus. And I think

1:12:23

it's time. Now, I have

1:12:25

a couple of issues with

1:12:27

this. Not surprising. I think

1:12:30

this is an uncontroversial statement.

1:12:32

Question of anti-Semitism has been

1:12:34

the biggest fig leaf and

1:12:36

cover and mechanism for the

1:12:38

most authoritarian, to this date,

1:12:40

authoritarian machinations by the Trump

1:12:43

administration. You have people who

1:12:45

are disappeared. You have people

1:12:47

who are arrested without warrants.

1:12:49

Mamud Khalil arrested without warrants.

1:12:51

You have universities defunded. You

1:12:53

have an attempt to have

1:12:56

a consent decree over Columbia,

1:12:58

all in the name of

1:13:00

fighting anti-Semitism. And Shuck Schumer's

1:13:02

biggest tour so far this

1:13:04

year, to the extent that

1:13:06

it wasn't canceled, was on

1:13:09

his anti-Semitism book. reinforcing the

1:13:11

framing of the fascist Trump

1:13:13

administration as it locks up

1:13:15

student activists for their speech.

1:13:17

That is what the opposition

1:13:19

leader of the Democrats was

1:13:22

doing and he may have

1:13:24

some more liberal veneer on

1:13:26

it and he may give

1:13:28

some lip service to the

1:13:30

Palestinian struggle or their suffering

1:13:32

currently, but fundamentally the whole

1:13:35

premise of his book reinforces

1:13:37

the ideology that a fascist

1:13:39

administration is employing, employing right

1:13:41

now. Liberals I in this

1:13:43

are fascist enablers. Now, period.

1:13:45

I will say this, you

1:13:48

know, it would be one

1:13:50

thing, you know, if Mahmoud

1:13:52

Khalil was scooped up by

1:13:54

ICE in New York and

1:13:56

his... his wife wasn't a

1:13:58

citizen, you know, she was

1:14:01

a citizen, let's say, living

1:14:03

in the state of New

1:14:05

York, then one would expect,

1:14:07

Chuck Schumer, not Ed Markey

1:14:09

for Massachusetts or other politicians,

1:14:11

going and speaking out and

1:14:14

trying to visit with him

1:14:16

and whatnot. Oh, wait, I'm

1:14:18

sorry. It turns out though,

1:14:20

actually, Kale was arrested in

1:14:22

New York. I mean... So

1:14:24

he's out on Long Island,

1:14:27

explaining to people how the

1:14:29

tariffs are going to hurt

1:14:31

them. Yeah. The, which, I'm

1:14:33

sorry. The idea that you,

1:14:35

if I was not going

1:14:37

to rerun election, I wouldn't

1:14:40

be able to vote, just

1:14:42

let me, let's just like

1:14:44

parse you both. No, wait,

1:14:46

wait. If you're running for

1:14:48

re-election. Isn't that a

1:14:50

split focus on your number one

1:14:53

mission of telling how bad the

1:14:55

economy is? It seems to me

1:14:57

that Dick Durbin announces now so

1:14:59

that it's not a distraction and

1:15:02

he can do more of his

1:15:04

work and focus on his work?

1:15:06

Like imagine if Chuck Schumer did

1:15:08

not have to go hat in

1:15:11

hand time and time again to

1:15:13

uh... face book or meta or

1:15:15

to all these people on uh...

1:15:18

wall street imagine if he didn't

1:15:20

have to do that we could

1:15:22

take that this place in really

1:15:24

allow him to focus we really

1:15:27

allowed him the focus like how

1:15:29

does even a a reporter asking

1:15:31

him this question not see the

1:15:33

contradiction Running for re-election is not

1:15:36

splitting your focus at all? Yeah.

1:15:38

Like give me a break. Like

1:15:40

answer the question, just say I

1:15:43

don't want to, I don't want

1:15:45

to talk about it. Yeah, I

1:15:47

would say maybe the stump, like

1:15:49

there's different things you have to

1:15:52

do, Chuck. There's the stump speech

1:15:54

in Long Island or wherever, and

1:15:56

there is the long-term strategy for

1:15:58

your party. Yeah. things you should

1:16:01

be able to juggle at the

1:16:03

same time. As the leader, the

1:16:05

leader of the Democrats in the

1:16:08

Senate, I just want to remind

1:16:10

people about that. Not that he's

1:16:12

acting like a leader. I mean,

1:16:14

Chris Van Hollen panced this dude.

1:16:17

Like, I mean, that's how it's

1:16:19

done. And I don't know who

1:16:21

the next leader of the Democrats

1:16:23

will be in the Senate, Chuck

1:16:26

Shumor's on borrowed time, but Van

1:16:28

Hollen definitely threw his hat in

1:16:30

the ring with that. And even

1:16:33

if he doesn't end up being

1:16:35

in leadership, the point is that

1:16:37

it, like, he, Shumor got embarrassed

1:16:39

by somebody who actually decided to

1:16:42

use the bully pulpit to oppose

1:16:44

Donald Trump. and to demonstrate it

1:16:46

and do so with action and

1:16:48

now you see other democrats following.

1:16:51

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wait you keep the bad stuff

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for members and you put the

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good stuff exactly Three

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months from now, six months from

1:18:25

now, nine months from now, and

1:18:27

I don't think it's going to

1:18:29

be the same as it looks

1:18:32

like in six months from now,

1:18:34

and I don't know if it's

1:18:36

necessarily going to be better six

1:18:38

months from now than it is

1:18:41

three months from now. But I

1:18:43

think around 18 months out, we're

1:18:45

going to look back and go

1:18:47

like, wow. Emma,

1:18:50

welcome to the program. Hey.

1:18:52

What is up, everyone? Fun,

1:18:55

Pat. What is up, everyone?

1:18:57

Fun, Pat. No, McKee. You

1:18:59

did it? Fun, Pat. Let's

1:19:01

go Brandon. Let's go Brandon.

1:19:03

Bradley, you want to say

1:19:05

hello? Sorry to disappoint everyone.

1:19:07

I'm just a random guy.

1:19:09

It's all the boys today.

1:19:12

Fundamentally false. No, I'm sorry.

1:19:14

Women is... Talking for a

1:19:16

second. Now let me finish.

1:19:18

Where is this coming from,

1:19:20

dude? But dude, you want

1:19:22

to smoke his, uh, 70?

1:19:24

Yes. Is it me? Is

1:19:27

this? Yes. Is it me?

1:19:29

Is it me? Is it

1:19:31

me? Is it me? Is

1:19:33

it me? Is it me?

1:19:35

Is it me? Is it

1:19:37

me? Oh, I'm just me?

1:19:39

Think it is you? Who

1:19:42

is you? Who is you?

1:19:44

No sound. Every single freaking

1:19:46

day. What's on your mind?

1:19:48

Sports. We can discuss free

1:19:50

markets and we can discuss

1:19:52

capitalism. I'm gonna go out.

1:19:54

Who libertarians? They're so stupid

1:19:56

though. Common sense says of

1:19:59

course. Gobbledygook. So

1:20:01

what's 79 plus 21?

1:20:03

Challenge ma'am. I'm positively

1:20:06

quivering. I believe 96

1:20:08

I want to say.

1:20:10

8-7-2-0-1-1-5. 3-8s. 9-11 for

1:20:13

instance. 3-400-3-8s. 9-11 for

1:20:15

instance. 3-400 dollars. $1,400,

1:20:17

$1,900. 6-4-3 trillion dollars

1:20:20

sold. It's a zero-sum

1:20:22

thing. Yeah. My favorite

1:20:24

part about you is

1:20:27

just like every day,

1:20:29

all day, all day,

1:20:31

like everything you do.

1:20:34

Without a doubt. Hey

1:20:36

buddy, we see you.

1:20:38

All right folks, folks,

1:20:40

folks. It's just the

1:20:43

week being weeded out,

1:20:45

obviously. Yeah, suns out,

1:20:47

guns out. I don't

1:20:50

know. But you should

1:20:52

know. I have a

1:20:54

question, who cares? Our

1:20:57

chat is enabled close.

1:20:59

I love it. I

1:21:01

do love that. Gotta

1:21:04

jump, gotta be quick,

1:21:06

I get a jump.

1:21:08

I'm losing it, bro.

1:21:11

Two o'clock, we're already

1:21:13

late and the guy's

1:21:15

being a dick. So

1:21:17

screw him. Um, um,

1:21:20

sent to a Gulah?

1:21:22

Outrageous. Like, what is

1:21:24

wrong with you? Love

1:21:27

you, bye. Love you.

1:21:29

Bye-bye