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on And so far, far, sports on

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huge hit It's it's fucking huge man.

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I'm really excited that we've gotten in. in.

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early it all and what all and like on

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looks like will Netflix will be very

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different from what it looks like

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currently and in a way a way it

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as well but I'm very excited. And

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you know I was at the you

1:33

know I was at and if your guys

1:35

could be anything like that it'll be

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electric. you think of it? It

1:39

was a dog be fucking fight, it

1:41

was one of the worst things I've

1:43

ever seen. it? It was a dog shit were fight.

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row one is going to be fucking

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amazing ever that We were fourth row like this is going

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to be fucking amazing. And that undercard us even more

1:52

gassed up. We're like, Oh such a this

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is gonna be It nuts. And

1:56

then we got in there and watched

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a light sparring match. Um. that was

2:00

like, what the the fuck is this? crazy. I know

2:02

there It was crazy. I know there

2:04

was like all these conspiracy theories is a

2:06

natural thing that happens, but one thing

2:08

that I mean, doesn't matter whether you're

2:10

there or you watch it, is you're

2:13

it was clear. is like, that neither guy

2:15

pressed, guy pressed you know, when

2:17

you watch boxing, watch you see

2:19

people set things up with jabs

2:21

and then then a jab usually

2:23

at some moment creates an

2:25

opening where you attack. It's like the

2:27

basic fundamentals of boxing boxing, you would

2:29

watch that happen. You're like, ooh,

2:31

like right here. like right then by the

2:33

fifth round, you're like, I think

2:35

they're just gonna hang out. they're just gonna hang

2:37

out. Light exactly what it looked like. what

2:39

My only moments with Mike Tyson, with

2:42

and Mike treasure this moment this he was

2:44

a, he was a... Gosh, I think he was just

2:46

ringside for a match of mine. He

2:48

was presenting the championship after the match,

2:50

but he saw other wrestlers backstage. he was the

2:52

sweetest, seemed very, and I don't wanna

2:54

say very of it, because he was the

2:56

sweetest, wonderful person. was was very nice

2:58

to talk to him, but he wasn't

3:00

saying much. nice to talk to him, but of seemed

3:03

to be, wonderful person, that guess, and he

3:05

was, and he little bit, and he's watching all these guys he

3:07

up, and they're using the was, and and they're he up and

3:09

all he and he just looked at me. he was, he was, he

3:11

I'm getting ready to go out. he was, getting ready to

3:13

go out. And at the time, I was also

3:15

in a management position. So I'm directing something, some shot,

3:17

something. shot He looked at me and just said, at me

3:19

and Do I need oil? Do I need oil

3:21

and I? Those are those moments where it's like It's

3:23

Mike those moments where it's want

3:26

this I want this Mike Tyson and

3:28

to be good So to be good.

3:30

mind thinking what is my mind what's he

3:32

thinking? thinking? Does he think

3:34

he does need the oil? well

3:36

said, said Yeah, sure, sure, sure. And then, so sure, took

3:38

his shirt off. So now Mike never he took his shirt

3:40

off. off for this. Mike had to have a

3:42

shirt off for this. Mike standing there just

3:45

looking at me off. And I shirt off. he

3:47

And I remember he had like no belt

3:49

on his jeans a It's just a lot

3:51

happening. is the is the greatest fighter you know,

3:53

ever and someone I really, really like, but

3:55

he just took the bottle and kind

3:57

of went like. and kind of went do

3:59

it. do it. And he put a and he his

4:01

little on his and some on his

4:03

chest, but then he turned around. chest, but

4:05

then he turned around. Sure. Just oiled him up. up

4:07

know, he looked good and I've know, he looked

4:10

good and wrestler before. oil on another

4:12

wrestler before. This wasn't the strangest

4:14

thing but the weirdest thing was

4:16

right after that he just threw

4:18

his shirt right back on over

4:20

shirt right back on over it. No. And I thought... That's

4:23

not the point? know, was the point? You you like, are

4:25

you pre, are you take the shirt? know, a

4:27

lot of wrestlers might think at this point

4:29

I'm going to rip my shirt or

4:31

whatever, but you're not doing anything like that

4:33

tonight. I do think he actually got

4:35

his shirt off at one point, but but

4:37

I oiled them up. I always felt good

4:39

about that decision tonight. And I do Mike. might

4:41

be the best story that's ever been told

4:43

his shirt off at That might be my but podcast.

4:45

ever. I oiled him up. of person would I have

4:47

been to say? about that course. Mike. Bro, to

4:49

oil, Mike. He, met him on a flight. a flight.

4:51

Yeah. And he was a fucking fan of yours. it

4:53

was a a it was a

4:56

evolution where where I had straight up

4:58

-up panic about him him

5:00

was like, you I was like, you know,

5:02

I was listening to like old guys hey,

5:04

Mike, Mike, 1987? remember like, yeah, just like

5:06

I was like, don't be like, was like, just

5:08

be like, up, it was I just worked

5:10

up, I it was like, it took like,

5:12

I actually thought of it as courage

5:14

I I totally, was like, I was like,

5:16

don't bother him, but then I was

5:18

like, you're never, this will never happen. Yeah.

5:20

And I gave him, I I reached into

5:22

my and at the time, I had I

5:24

had one special out I I had a

5:26

DVD and I gave it to him. I

5:28

was like, I'm a comedian. like, I'm a And

5:31

then he was then he was like, cool, he was like,

5:33

cool, like, are you going right now? I was

5:35

like, we're both going to Pittsburgh, we're on

5:37

a plane, you know? to Pittsburgh. We're on a plane. Like,

5:39

what we're doing. doing. And he was like, oh,

5:41

like your show? And I was like, it's the

5:43

the improv. Yeah. He's like, where's that? And I

5:46

was like, I don't know, man. don't the

5:48

Pittsburgh improv is. Like, like, I I don't know

5:50

the geography of Pittsburgh. know. The And then he

5:52

was like, oh, cool. Sure. And then gave me

5:54

a fist oh, cool. and I was thrilled at

5:56

the interaction. I was like, I had a

5:58

moment thrilled at the and then I said. that down and

6:00

I'm just I'm literally literally like my heart's

6:02

racing because like I felt like like it took a

6:04

just to say something I was like also

6:06

kind of scared cuz I know if like

6:09

bitch like bitch me the the phone right I I

6:11

was like and then I just feel him

6:13

this hand grab my shoulder and he's

6:15

standing above me yeah I goes yeah I

6:17

know who you are who you I was

6:19

like I was like what wow he holds the DVD

6:21

he's like this picture I was like I

6:23

was like, yeah, the I just gave I just gave

6:26

that to so I just so. to you and so I

6:28

was like, and then he down to my ear. This

6:30

is almost like your is almost like

6:32

leans down in my ear and I'm like, down

6:34

in my the fuck is he going to do? the

6:36

leans is he goes, I've been watching. he

6:38

a lot of he goes, I've been watching a

6:40

lot of it, and then he stands up, and I

6:42

was like. then he stands up a

6:45

was like, he goes, What So he goes,

6:47

And he me your number. he goes, give

6:49

your number. And I'm like, okay. Yeah. So

6:51

I him my number. my number. And

6:54

I'm like this is is. like we land and

6:56

I just I like run off the plane off want

6:58

anything to go wrong I and then I'm like

7:00

well to go was that he's not because so

7:02

many I've met so many celebrities who are like

7:04

Give me I'll give you a call or

7:06

you can we can do we should do a

7:08

thing together. You're like many And so next day

7:10

phone rings I'll give you a Mike Tyson. Wow.

7:12

can do, goes, we're coming to your show tonight.

7:14

And I go. like, sure. so

7:17

I call the club and I'm

7:19

like, Mike Tyson. coming to the show. we're

7:21

they're like, to your they don't believe me.

7:23

And they're like, I'm like, I'm So

7:25

then I get to the club. I'm

7:27

I'm in the green room. There's

7:29

like a hundred people there. a There's Thursday

7:31

night and they're like, there, so in,

7:33

she's like, dude, Mike Tyson's here. was

7:35

like, I know, dude, I told

7:37

you. here, I was like, I know, then he told you.

7:39

I can hear him during the

7:41

show show, hitting the table hitting the table Oh, you

7:44

he him, you had him, man. him

7:46

him for a second, and then show ends and

7:48

he fucking. He grabs me. He's like let's

7:50

go to the green room So he

7:52

So he takes me to my green room. Green room.

7:54

and then he just starts smoking cigarettes

7:56

smoking cigarettes. like, by his like fifth

7:58

he he goes. He goes, you got

8:01

a window? a I go, it's a little

8:03

late for that. a little late for that. He goes,

8:05

you got one? And I go, I go, no.

8:07

He goes, goes, goes, that's when you'll know you've

8:09

made it. I go, no. And he green room's

8:11

got a window. when you'll know you've made out

8:13

for an hour. when you're and I just

8:15

room's I remember telling him, I was

8:17

like, He you know, it's crazy like

8:19

watching you guys train. And yeah. the

8:22

training videos of those guys. him, And

8:24

I just stupidly I go, you know,

8:26

him, I Jones Jr. yeah, you know, he goes.

8:28

crazy. Yeah, I was like, oh, yeah,

8:30

why was like, oh yeah, why still

8:32

he I should say should say you you train That's

8:34

like train. That's like the hat trick

8:36

of the celebrity sports figure everything went

8:38

went right. It was incredible. You

8:41

got the number you got wisdom.

8:43

Yeah, it was incredible He told

8:45

stories and like and out

8:47

names throw out he would be like that

8:49

guy's a bitch and I was

8:51

like, be like that guy's a bitch. Oh my the dream.

8:53

I the one more actual Mike Tyson

8:55

moment that that I I don't know

8:57

why I I I guess I've run into

8:59

a couple occasions, he got inducted

9:01

into the into the of Fame. of Fame.

9:03

He did. He did. Yeah, he, because

9:05

he was a big part of part

9:08

of a Boston with Steve Austin with Steve

9:10

Austin like the Sean era was coming

9:12

into its own attitude was coming into its

9:14

own this unbelievable there at the end.

9:16

It's just great stuff, but the

9:19

end. He got inducted in the Hall of Fame but

9:21

he was sitting with my wife. in the Hall of

9:23

And he started going on about my

9:25

dad, wife. And my dad had a dad had

9:27

a very large fan base, fan base, very

9:29

large. talking about how my dad was about how

9:31

my dad was kind of the

9:33

first black world champion even though he

9:35

was a white man from from Texas and all this. And

9:37

he was kind of, you know, was kind of,

9:39

you know, he's obviously the on the square here

9:41

and he was talking about like about like and just

9:43

making these jokes. These are jokes that as

9:46

a white person, I feel like. that as

9:48

a white person, I feel have a reaction to

9:50

these. to I need to just,

9:52

you know, know, but my wife is black. So she's

9:54

sitting next to me. So they keep, every

9:56

time he makes a joke. he makes a They

9:58

kept shooting us. us. And I

10:00

was just like, you know, like, like

10:02

time he made a joke and

10:04

they'd pop on us, and like, oh

10:06

man, please, like, I would have

10:08

been gone. I would have left this

10:10

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with Your dad was the best. was the best. the

14:03

Your dad was the Well best. Well,

14:05

you're from, we were were talking about Florida.

14:07

I saw him, I saw saw dad dad wrestle

14:09

at the Tampa armory. Oh my gosh, Port

14:11

Hesterly. Yeah, it was, I I mean, your

14:13

dad was I still, I still go back back and

14:16

watch your dad your dad did. like, they're

14:18

like. so far just the the promo of those

14:20

those guys is the best promo it's,

14:22

I mean, it was so much more mean it was

14:24

so much more important than the

14:26

match to talk people into the venue

14:28

to talk them to do that do

14:30

that i'm so excited to see him

14:32

this morning see him this morning When

14:34

I met I met Bert on doing go Big

14:36

Show season one I think Burt and the

14:38

whole Go Big Show production. had

14:41

a very different idea of what wrestling

14:43

looks like in looks like in

14:45

it was. Yeah, it was

14:47

yeah and it It took a full

14:49

season for them to kind of realize,

14:51

like, like okay Cody's a different type

14:53

of performer. Yeah, know, like there's a

14:56

different, it's changed, it's evolved. Because at

14:58

first, I think he was really

15:00

expecting was really expecting like, you know,

15:02

you know, like, kept asking me, like, are you

15:04

gonna be in your gear are gonna be in your

15:06

gear at I'm like, seat? You're no. be all no.

15:08

Yeah, I can be old up. no oil, not in

15:10

my gear in my gear of those things, but

15:12

it was fun but was fun because this earlier, earlier,

15:15

is one of the most of the most wrestler. He's

15:17

one of the biggest pro wrestlers I've

15:19

ever met who's not a pro wrestler. You're

15:21

not the first person to make that

15:23

observation. Oh that gosh. Oh my gosh, right out of meeting

15:25

Burt, and I don't know if I've ever

15:27

told you this story, but it was it

15:29

was amazing. It know was genuinely like inspiring. I met Bert, they had

15:31

this they had this dinner one

15:34

production, one one of the first

15:36

productions that was happening during this bubble,

15:38

We're all in this bubble,

15:40

Rosario Bert, Snoop Jennifer Snoop dog, me. We go

15:42

Snoop Dogg, go to this We go

15:44

to this dinner right away, we right

15:47

away I met Burt away. he

15:49

basically explained himself to me in

15:51

three minutes to me to why

15:53

he was amazing, was amazing, why he he

15:55

was famous. There a movie rights

15:57

on his name his name and

15:59

And I thought, dog, this guy outrestled

16:02

this guy outwrestled me. to be a that used

16:04

to be a skill that every wrestler

16:06

had, the self -promotion. Yes. mean, mean, if I, so

16:08

basically he made it so that if

16:10

I didn't know him. I didn't know

16:12

there was gonna be no discomfort be no

16:14

you know me now in our business.

16:17

He is known as the promo is known

16:19

as the I love that. Yeah, my gosh, I love

16:21

that. Yeah. And honestly, I just took from your dad

16:23

because your dad would was the best

16:25

Oh man. And it's one of the reasons like of the

16:27

reasons like when we hung out I

16:29

was I remember telling you I was

16:31

like we all Cause we all went to dinner and

16:33

then me and you you of connected. connected, because you

16:35

like like whiskey, you you like cigars, and I like I

16:38

like both those things. you like this and me talk

16:40

me about myself. Yeah, yeah. And so, I but I

16:42

remember saying to you, was like, yeah,

16:44

not really I'm I don't really know much

16:46

about wrestling. And you're like, about wrestling And then.

16:48

about wrestling. And you're minutes later,

16:50

you're like, hold on. like, and you

16:52

like, You're bringing up names that only

16:54

a wrestling like know. And I

16:56

was like, well, everyone knows was like, well,

16:58

like, no, they don't about Eric's. And

17:00

I was like, come on, they don't know.

17:03

And I was you remember on, the claw, like, do

17:05

you remember when like, oh, Christmas and Kerry Von

17:07

one of the, that fucking match.

17:09

Day, yeah. have a weird question about Netflix. that fucking

17:11

match. Yeah. I How much bigger question

17:13

to be than an average

17:15

much bigger audience? Like, when

17:18

you guys do an Well, it's

17:20

tremendous potential. I mean, it's global.

17:22

It's the potential, because when we we

17:24

were sitting there for that that fight. hours

17:26

before there was hours before,

17:29

there was a Netflix executive so he's

17:31

to me. goes there's 30 there's 30

17:33

million people right now on

17:35

the service. and then the then the next

17:37

fight started, he's like, it's 45

17:39

million people now. and then right

17:41

before the fight, he goes, we

17:43

have a hundred million different subscribers. that's

17:45

That's just subscribers, like on right now.

17:47

And then people were like, oh you

17:49

know, the the signal the were is all is

17:51

all scrambled. were buffering issues yeah and it's it's

17:53

like, you yeah, you have a

17:55

hundred million subscribers watching, what you can be

17:57

fucking huge. be fucking huge yeah think yeah I think

18:00

there's a lot of a lot of

18:02

our library content, like our evergreen content, so

18:04

much great much history, history raw itself coming to Netflix it's

18:06

It's always, so from a the pro wrestler standpoint I always

18:08

go out there with the idea that they've

18:10

never seen me before. never seen give them

18:12

a little Yeah. So I it on to right? I

18:14

gotta give them a little burp. Like

18:16

I need them to know right out the

18:18

gate, on this is who he is. This

18:20

is what she does, whatever it may

18:22

be. And this is one of those cases

18:25

out the Okay, this the producers and all the

18:27

people we have backstage, of our it may be.

18:29

And with the show go together with... when

18:31

they say something like, hey, there's a lot

18:33

of new eyeballs out there, this will be

18:35

one of those situations where it really is. when

18:37

the old timers And you have the chance to,

18:39

you know, producers to. the people we have.

18:41

Yeah. And I, you know, you know, such

18:43

a carnie such a carny element.

18:46

pro to how to be used to be

18:48

in terms of like. in a in

18:50

a mark for something Now the watch is

18:52

so the audience is so and you have new

18:54

eyeballs, and you have new eyeballs. We've

18:56

never seen it. You can't just

18:58

hook them. Can't be be cheap. They have

19:00

to actually see someone authentically that they

19:02

like like. Yes. then hopefully they stay

19:04

on board on kind of a fascinating

19:06

watching watching was watching the Vince McMahon McMahon

19:08

doc and the the the history like the

19:11

man and you there was I mean know, there is

19:13

I mean There's a lot of

19:15

aspects to it, but just the fact

19:17

how how I didn't you know know, I I

19:19

had no idea that it was

19:21

everybody had territories and different markets.

19:23

didn't didn't cross real and like and like and didn't

19:25

cross territories and one of the

19:28

things the they credit Vince

19:30

with is being kind of brazen

19:32

enough at one point to be

19:34

like, we're him, we're it do it

19:36

in this guy's territory. And then

19:38

everyone's like, what, like, do basically. shit mob

19:40

stuff, genuinely. Yeah. Yeah. This was your whole

19:42

whole livelihood, my you know? there's a father,

19:44

in there's a individual in the

19:46

wrestling space that I model a

19:48

lot of the character I have

19:51

after today. And most people don't

19:53

know him because it it was pre-cable, pre-even, like,

19:55

close like close Eddie Eddie Graham, in

19:57

was in charge of championship wrestling

19:59

from Florida. who my dad's mentor and

20:01

then war and then my dad. His son was Steve

20:03

Graham? No, Mike Graham. My grand. to high

20:05

school. I went to high school. daughter and

20:07

his other son. other Yeah. So So

20:09

the family he he was in

20:11

charge of that that Then there

20:13

was Georgia. Then of course in Texas there

20:16

was of class. in there's Eddie Graham right there.

20:18

Yeah. No, he was really ahead of his

20:20

time. And one of the things that was

20:22

special about Eddie Graham is he was really

20:24

big on community activation. that I mentioned, you

20:26

have to be authentic. You can't just be was

20:28

really in in the old fashioned way. They Like

20:30

I all this time at the boys and

20:32

girls club that You was a big on

20:34

going everywhere. That's why it was

20:36

in the Armory in the first

20:38

place. They You know, like he was

20:40

big on time at the Boys' and Girls Club. He

20:42

was Eddie. But but he ran Florida. Vince's

20:44

father, Senior, ran Washington, in York, and then you And

20:46

then you had in Texas, multiple

20:48

territories, territories, I mean, I mean, they didn't

20:50

cross. And if they they there

20:52

was a problem. a And they had,

20:54

they had a, a picture that really

20:56

feels feels mafia. really like, maybe that's silly

20:58

if you know anything of the

21:00

mafia or I don't, don't, but. a

21:02

picture a them at the of them at the

21:04

NWA in Las Vegas, all black white,

21:06

all all these wrestlers. You see in

21:08

the the back, very unique unique body decisions,

21:11

all just facing the camera. That's

21:13

where they would vote. where they would

21:15

the on champion, because the because

21:17

champion would go from territory

21:19

to territory, but other things

21:21

would not cross. would Vince McMahon was

21:23

McMahon was the first one

21:25

to say, making the move. Now, you mentioned

21:27

the Monter. Somebody else on going to

21:29

Somebody else was gonna do it. do it. It

21:32

It wasn't a matter somebody else was gonna do

21:34

it. He do it. he beat them to the

21:36

punch. to the punch to the punch and then the

21:38

punch changed, you know, changed you know because circuit circuit

21:40

-per -view and the next thing you know, the and running.

21:42

I wanna ask you this because like, I'm always

21:44

fascinated by, this you know. like I'm growing

21:46

up with, you know boys regardless Regardless someone's dad

21:48

is an athlete, is an athlete. boys either go,

21:50

I want to be just like my

21:52

dad, or I don't want to be

21:54

anything like my dad, want to be anything like

21:57

you get to like and and and when you get

21:59

obviously like children of athletes who

22:01

go, I want to do

22:03

that. say in like the like

22:05

let's say yeah and NFL some that do know,

22:07

there's some that do and then

22:09

there's some that you're like like you just

22:11

can't do do it you you're

22:13

not an NFL player, right or

22:16

NBA in wrestling wrestling like as

22:18

a kid to I Were you, a

22:20

I want to be a wrestler kid a

22:22

young kid or were you kind of like,

22:24

yeah, you know, it's just what my

22:26

dad does, what whatever. does whatever So he

22:28

brought brought me to a show when I

22:30

was really young. he was he's older dad.

22:32

He was 39 he he had me. was He

22:34

was producers behind the scenes. a It was booker.

22:36

wrestling booker. He was creative so creative. So he

22:39

wasn't in his full prime. when he I

22:41

remember when he brought me to that show

22:43

Chattanooga So building WDB still it's a building day still

22:45

runs this day. this guy hit And it was

22:47

Brad Armstrong, this guy hit an arm drag.

22:49

And just to hear the reaction their mind

22:51

the one of those I out of their mind, it

22:53

was one of those, I always tell

22:55

people, I have no interest in the inside

22:57

the inside the scenes scenes because I lived it.

22:59

I lived to be out, to be like to be

23:01

out there in the crowd. crowd. that narrative

23:03

is what I enjoy. is After that, there was

23:05

nothing I wanted to do more. And you

23:07

let it be known. Oh my gosh, I

23:09

mean, nothing. And was it, was it like?

23:11

like, was he great or was Or was it you

23:13

got like a long way to go, kid. Like

23:15

you're gonna have to. have to. I

23:18

needed to earn his I needed to earn his

23:20

trust because so many second and third third generations

23:22

in the pro wrestling sports space, they burn

23:24

out, they turn out bad. I I needed

23:26

to earn his trust and what I thought

23:28

I could earn his trust with was

23:30

actual folk style wrestling, all that because he had never done that

23:32

he because he had never done that. He

23:34

was straight yeah great athlete but he had never athlete, but

23:36

he had never been on the mat

23:38

before. He didn't even know how it was

23:40

scored. to He would come to my tournaments

23:42

as a kid and I'd see him

23:44

for a takedown, hold hold up like But But

23:46

then it would be a two a

23:48

two point yes, didn't know. know he didn't know and I

23:50

was obsessed with it. full-blown if

23:52

you've ever seen that movie, ever seen dug

23:54

in, I did in I camps with with

23:56

Ken Shertow VHS tapes I'd watch I've made made

23:58

it my whole life. loved it it. it

24:01

and loved it and up winning a state

24:03

championship as a a and I had

24:05

gone undefeated and I had gone on

24:07

and I'd gone and made my way around,

24:09

that happened, I think whatever I

24:11

told him I wanted to do, once

24:13

good with it. He was good. He

24:15

was good. I didn't have a

24:17

curfew anymore. My sister still complains about

24:19

it this day. good with year, they

24:21

just, he fine. he is he? He's been

24:23

gone for three days. I didn't have a curfew

24:25

you know. my sister still He wrestled it

24:28

the place we shot they big. he's fine We

24:30

walked in, we walked in, he's like, I I haven't been

24:32

here since I was in high school in high

24:34

like Oh, I'm like, what? He's like, I this states twice building.

24:36

Twice. Yeah, and that building, uh, some making Centroplex, the making Colosseum,

24:38

there was a there was a little electrical

24:40

closet that was right by where we'd

24:42

all sit. Bert would be up on

24:44

be up on we'd be all sitting in

24:46

the chairs and I went in there

24:48

and I cried my eyes out when

24:50

I was my eyes old I I had won

24:53

that tournament. I had won everything I could

24:55

possibly Took like to do I and then I

24:57

would just walk by it, to do, and

24:59

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25:01

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27:35

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27:37

I was doing Red Rocks Pro Oh, yeah Yeah. And Yeah, you

27:39

going, remember big is how big is this place? fucking

27:41

no fucking idea I did that Colosseum. Nice. I performed

27:43

year I walked did that what I was doing. And I walked in and I

27:45

it the I I in I was like, I was like, I was like,

27:47

didn't realize what I was doing I was like, I

27:50

I walked in and I went was like, how the, I was

27:52

like, I was like, I was like, I up. like, I was was

27:54

like, like, I was was like, I was the fuck like, I

27:56

was I get here? like, I And it was

27:58

so funny, because I thought of you, like, I remember

28:00

you walking in and going, shut the

28:02

fuck up. That's a special little building. Yeah,

28:04

I mean, that is a home dust,

28:06

us because we were quarantined. I remember this.

28:08

And then can only really, like me

28:10

and him hung out, we hung out with

28:12

our EP. We had kind of just

28:14

started this show. had just kind of started

28:16

doing this podcast. And you're like, I'm

28:18

do this thing. And I was like, what

28:20

the fuck is that? I remember telling

28:23

you, like, I'm gonna meet Snoop, I need

28:25

advice on how to meet Snoop. Oh

28:27

yeah. And you're like, be yourself. Yeah. At

28:29

that meeting. whatever. Don't start with, like,

28:31

what it is, cuz? Yeah, I don't think that

28:33

would go well. We had dinner at that

28:35

one dinner. with Everyone's after. when I explain myself

28:37

to Cody, I think I did the same

28:39

thing to Snoop, and he was caught off guard

28:41

by me. Sure. he just went like this

28:43

in the middle of it. He hit this. and

28:46

he turns the phone around and it's

28:48

Red Grant. He goes, you know this guy?

28:50

And Red turns it back and Red

28:52

goes, he's cool. And he goes like, all

28:54

right. And he's like, all right, cool.

28:56

Oh, wow. I was like, oh, you're the

28:58

right black guy. When

29:01

I see Burt, like, Burt, my

29:03

algorithm is all over Burt. You,

29:05

Burt, Tony, all these, all these

29:08

things that have like come from

29:10

Burt's world and my interaction with

29:12

Burt, whenever I see all this

29:14

popping off, I have, I'm, So

29:16

glad I get to sit with you

29:18

today because I never got the chance to

29:20

tell him, but it the spiritual and

29:22

unofficial leader of that show. and

29:25

was so good.

29:27

to all of us. We were trapped in

29:29

this Marriott, connected to the making Coliseum.

29:31

I had the biggest imposter syndrome ever. So

29:33

Burt, talking about selling out Red Rocks, Snoop

29:35

Dogg, Rosario Dawson, who's getting ready to play

29:37

Ahsoka. Like, is it already in Oh, she

29:40

told us that our first night. Yes, Oh,

29:42

and I'm this big Dave fan, so I

29:44

know all this stuff. I Dave remember my wife

29:46

telling me like, do not. You

29:48

do not fucking ask me about the show. You

29:50

do not, all right, I want I won't, won't. Jennifer

29:52

Nettles, who at a moment's notice could belt out

29:54

a song that would just make you cry. He

29:56

did it, we were wrong. Oh my gosh. Don't

29:58

fucking, you know the song from. sure. The one, the

30:00

one, it's the, she one, uh... time,

30:02

we're in line. And I did it one time we're

30:04

in line. can And I was she was I

30:06

can sing. And she was like, like, And like,

30:09

I was like, yeah, listen, I I started doing

30:11

it. it. And then she started singing over

30:13

me. And I just went like and I just

30:15

went like this. She is so like, is you. It's so you to be

30:17

you to to to go to the singer

30:19

and be like, I can sing. can right.

30:21

He, he, he he, he he, he, everything. And

30:23

he, remember when I shot the bullseye

30:25

with the bug he and arrows? Oh my

30:27

gosh. I shot was like my with the buck I

30:29

go, I think I can shoot gosh. Yeah, that was

30:31

like my highlight shot. I think I can shoot. It's off I think

30:34

I there was ever a show where the

30:36

I'm not getting though It was go big show

30:38

there. have have a there and watch these guys

30:40

whether it was whether it was guns

30:42

and they were shooting and they whether it was

30:44

arrows and I thought like is this

30:46

a bit? arrows. And I thought, like, is this a bit? to

30:48

us for like then you think I'm like terrible.

30:50

And then Bert would come to us for like, so what'd you think?

30:52

there, like, Cause this was missed. times. We all

30:55

need to be really happy and Snoop shots

30:57

and it's not going to be mad, judge.

30:59

We're going to be all happy, but at

31:01

a certain point to be really not good at

31:03

this. Yeah. How do you think you

31:05

did, ass, like, like, it's not gonna be a mean. Oh no, but

31:07

I wanted to thank you because you were

31:09

the unofficial leader to it and you

31:11

were super sweet to me. leader you and

31:13

I were the closest. you were super sweet to have and

31:15

uh... of water. know what's funny? We have

31:17

the from the show. Oh, fuck off. I

31:20

know exactly night I What is it? I

31:22

a what this is. It's just You

31:24

know it's funny, we have a, we have

31:26

something from the show. Oh fuck off,

31:28

I know exactly what this

31:30

is. What is it? I know messed

31:33

my name up. what this is. For

31:35

Cody. Oh

31:39

man, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. sorry.

31:41

What's that guy's name? I know that

31:43

guy I doing can't

31:45

accept any that that back for

31:47

him I know that guy. I listen

31:49

to this. I can't accept any

31:52

knowledge. Oh wait, draw

31:54

that was, that was Chris Jericho who said

31:56

it wrong. That was Chris who said

31:58

it wrong to this. I want to

32:00

say at that point it had become

32:02

a bit perhaps at that point, but

32:04

also, and this is not to gosh,

32:07

this is not to bury what I was

32:09

doing at the time and where I was

32:11

but Discovery now,

32:13

or I guess at the time it was Warner

32:15

media sent me to do that show. to

32:18

help with the other show and

32:20

I was honored to do it and excited to

32:22

be picked, but... It's wrestling

32:24

has a bad habit, and this is

32:26

in all companies everywhere, of not

32:28

understanding we're in a bubble, guys. There's

32:30

a whole outside world. Yeah, multiple

32:32

mediums of entertainment. Don't be in a

32:34

bubble. Like, don't be afraid to

32:36

do a little crossover thing. Yeah, pure

32:39

hardcore wrestling fans, they may not

32:41

love it, but there's something on the

32:43

show that's for them already. And

32:45

that was, you know, I hate, I'm

32:47

not bearing where I formerly was,

32:49

but not understanding like The power, the

32:51

magnitude again of new eyeballs. and then

32:53

crossing over and also, I

32:56

hate. Gatekeeping

32:58

when it comes to what we do. That's

33:00

one of the things I do really like pro

33:03

wrestling fans and sports entertainment and I wish

33:05

the locker rooms would feel this more. We

33:07

welcome. Please if you've

33:09

never been before, because I know, Tom. you're not

33:11

a big wrestling fan. This isn't true, I isn't don't

33:13

know you for from. you've So, there's some quotes

33:15

out there. No, I don't know what you're talking

33:17

about. but but would a great I would I

33:19

would to you, is like, hey if you ever

33:21

dip your toe in, and this is not a

33:23

shill for WrestleMania 41, it could be WrestleMania 42,

33:25

it could 41, be WrestleMania 45. come to it. come

33:28

if there's not something that you're like,

33:30

ah, all right. No, I get it.

33:32

I get it. I feel like, I

33:34

mean, I've look I've said reckless things

33:36

in my life, but I do feel

33:38

like I already know that I would

33:40

have a good time. I think I

33:42

experienced the same thing when I went to

33:44

NASCAR. Oh yeah went fucking NASCAR, and

33:46

I went to NASCAR, I was like,

33:48

this is amazing. Right, yeah. Yeah, I

33:50

had a great time at it. And

33:52

I've watched, you know, Maybe

33:55

not a lot of. of matches, but

33:57

like I said, I've watched multiple docs

33:59

and I also get the fact

34:01

that that I used to to think

34:03

they're so different, but what

34:05

I'm saying is is when it

34:07

comes to wrestling and sports

34:09

entertainment, it's really not. it's really

34:12

not at its core, that different

34:14

from different from traditional sports. In

34:16

other words, words, you know, going

34:18

to a NFL game. it's

34:20

It's like. you got You got into

34:22

this as a kid probably and

34:25

you're watching. watching. the rules that are rules

34:27

that are established and people like

34:29

participating in it you you cheer boo and

34:31

you you just get you get

34:33

emotionally involved and then in wrestling for

34:35

me me just like yeah, it's

34:37

athletes. Yeah, they're performing and usually

34:39

there's a foundation from from usually from

34:41

being a kid a kid yeah and you get in

34:43

the remote you're invested. It's kind of a

34:45

it's thing. a When I was a kid,

34:47

when I was a kid, kid we'd go I

34:50

think I was every Saturday night. Saturday night And

34:52

And the noise, I remember just

34:54

the noise when someone hits the

34:56

mat. Just the noise was so

34:58

visceral. And the energy, you get

35:00

caught up in it, old ladies caught

35:02

people old ladies And you just get

35:04

oh yeah, it really is just get so,

35:07

go so it I wanna go is like,

35:09

raw gonna be shot? bad. I wanna go

35:11

to raw, where's raw gonna be

35:13

shot? Into a on have

35:15

you my god, in LA? Yeah. You gotta insane.

35:17

You don't even have tickets

35:19

Into the your face. Matt. Yeah, they they

35:21

also have the you You don't have money.

35:23

They don't pay with money. You

35:25

pay with your eyes. You go like

35:28

this, and then it goes. like this and

35:30

then it a very advanced place. in a

35:32

have every seat. Where in LA is

35:34

this? have right next to LA is this right

35:36

right area. like all that area? No, no,

35:38

no, no, no. like It's by No, no,

35:40

by no. It's by by like Carson, Oh like Carson by

35:42

that. Oh my god. Oh my my What's it normally

35:44

used for? Clippers. Oh, it's the

35:46

Clippers we we saw Billy Joel play

35:48

there. there And every seat, you know, you know,

35:50

can measure the audio. we have this one have

35:53

this one moment the show where the show where know I

35:55

come out, I don't know how it caught

35:57

on, but there's a part of my song that

35:59

everybody sings, the same. It's just when the dude yells, whoa,

36:01

they all yell, whoa, whoa. And they pop off a bunch of

36:03

pyro, but they're very they pop up a

36:05

bunch of pyro, but they're very excited

36:07

about this So if we you're on

36:09

that show if we be this way

36:11

what we might be able to

36:13

tell loudest point them them and all that

36:16

and I thought that's a wild a

36:18

wild, insane amount of analogy. go sure. Let's go, let's bring

36:20

sure. Let's go have two boys, right? You have

36:22

have two boys, right? Yeah, how old?

36:24

how old. How old. Six nine Six nine. Yeah. Yeah.

36:26

My my daughter's only three and a

36:29

half and I'm and with. with

36:31

how to explain it to her. her. because

36:33

my dad didn't explain it to me.

36:35

me. And, uh... You just like check this shit out. Well,

36:38

no, I I mean, he, so there's a

36:40

a term, you there's know, you'll hear

36:42

people say the term say the term, Fab, and... Yeah.

36:44

So, he just just figured it was

36:46

best for me to always believe. believe. And

36:48

for example, know, for example, the four his, he broke

36:50

his but they also but they also broke his leg

36:52

at one point in the cage. I remember finding

36:54

a cast and he had this giant closet I

36:56

had, when I it was a big cast like I

36:58

had when I broke my leg on my

37:00

four my, and it opened except. my cast, like I had, had hinges, my

37:03

leg on and it opened up, and I

37:05

thought, it had hinges, and it might have want that

37:07

cast next time, might have gone off. But yeah, but yeah, he

37:09

never, he never, he, he, he, something that might he, he,

37:11

he, on for the public he, might have

37:13

gone off. he, he, he, But he, he raised, he raised,

37:15

he guess raised, way we put it, he

37:17

raised me very old raised, which I

37:19

wouldn't recommend. Yeah. Because meet people like Ric like

37:21

and I'd meet these, and I'd meet these

37:23

nefarious enemies of his, and kind of

37:25

having. of his and kind of disdain for disdain

37:27

for understanding. These were your not were

37:29

people you were making money with

37:32

and selling tickets with. Wait, until

37:34

you were age were you? and selling tickets. Wait

37:36

until which age were you you ready? You ready?

37:38

was 14. I was 14. Before you kind of like. So

37:40

there's too big. doesn't come down doesn't come

37:42

stuff? the chimney and leave stuff? was 14 and

37:44

I think part of the reason

37:46

it took so long is because

37:49

I wanted the I wanted for sure.

37:51

Yeah for there's two incidents. One, I'm

37:53

watching One I'm watching DDP Russell Jim Jim Duggan.

37:55

on the show in Daytona and they're out they're

37:57

out in the ring in the middle day

37:59

day o 'clock. And that's not something you see that

38:01

often. A lot of people think like wrestlers

38:03

are out there practicing. It's not as you

38:05

don't see that that often, but they're out

38:07

there and they're just going over stuff and

38:10

they're in the middle of this heated rivalry.

38:12

I remember watching and I thought, okay, I'm

38:14

accepting of it at this point. If that

38:16

happens, then all know. And of course, DDP

38:18

is in the corner, here comes Haxol, big

38:20

boot, I'd seen it already, I thought, oh.

38:22

That might be it. Did it emotionally affect

38:24

you? No, no, because there was a prior

38:26

event where the toughest man, like the toughest

38:28

person in all of wrestling was this guy

38:30

named Haaku. I don't know if you ever

38:32

heard about Haaku or Flayer told you any

38:34

stories about Haaku. Yeah, he's a big fish

38:36

situation where a lot of stories you hear

38:38

are a lot of stories you hear, like

38:40

no, that's true. He didn't take that cops

38:42

eyeb, like, no, he did. He was, he

38:45

was, he was, he was, all those all

38:47

those things, all those things, all those things.

38:49

Well, well, well, and my dad is bleeding

38:51

and he's in the ring and you know

38:53

people are crying and he had this deep

38:55

connection with the audience are deeply affected by

38:57

it and I was just a young kid

38:59

at the time and obviously obviously you know

39:01

when you pick a fight you're not winning

39:03

yeah but I have them of the thought

39:05

like I'm raised like in hey we're still

39:07

gonna fight though right I'm not saying I'm

39:09

winning this fight yeah we're still gonna fight

39:11

and he came back to the locker room

39:13

and I was sitting next to my dad

39:15

my dad my dad's bleeding and I remember

39:17

I stood up I don't know what my

39:19

game plan was, but I stood up and

39:22

my dad like swiftly knocked me back down

39:24

in my seat. And then Haiku, who happened

39:26

to be one of the most gentle, sweetest

39:28

human beings in all of wrestling, he shook

39:30

his hand, he kissed his hand, he kissed

39:32

his hand, he helped him take his leg

39:34

wraps off, because my dad was a lot

39:36

older at the time, and just said, I

39:38

love you, and then he left. And again,

39:40

I'm thinking like, well, that should have been

39:42

the moment, well, The rules are a little

39:44

different back here. We can't fight back here,

39:46

but out there. So he really wanted to

39:48

keep you going. So he's kept, so anybody

39:50

in that moment, I should have known like,

39:52

all right, you know, but also I'll say

39:54

this, your level of belief in this, I

39:57

don't know if anyone tells you this, but

39:59

it's adorable. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wanted

40:01

it to be. Yeah, you know, like I want I wanted

40:03

it because I grew up on it I got into fights

40:05

over it. That was a big thing in elementary school if

40:07

a kid says it's fake. Tell him, hey, it's not fake.

40:09

Kid says it's fake again. Say, hey, one more time, I'm

40:12

warning you, if he says it's fake a third time, he'd

40:14

punch him, and it was always punch him in the nose.

40:16

So that's terrible, that's terrible advice to give a kid. You

40:18

punch a kid in the nose, you could break their nose,

40:20

could jack their face up, jack their, you could break their

40:23

nose, jack their face up, could jack their face up, jack

40:25

their face up, so, could jack their face, jack their face,

40:27

jack their face, jack their face up, jack their face up,

40:29

jack their face up, jack their face up, jack their face

40:31

up, jack their face up, jack their face up, jack their face

40:34

up, jack their face up, jack their face, jack their face up,

40:36

jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack,

40:38

jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack, jack And

40:40

I thought, absolutely not. I refuse

40:42

to say you are a salesman. My

40:44

dad's fucking dusty rose. Yeah, what are

40:47

you talking about? But now I'm in

40:49

the space where she's three and a

40:51

half Liberty, my daughter, where I do

40:54

want to say to her, hey, just

40:56

let him know I'm a salesman, you

40:58

know, let him know, like just because

41:01

I don't want her to get caught

41:03

up in any of that, because she's

41:05

already I've seen her watch a few

41:07

things that are like not... background

41:10

wrestlers like Mark Henry or like

41:12

a Brock Lesner or somebody right

41:14

and so when they come in

41:16

and they get what the world

41:18

is and that there's a lot

41:20

of it's obviously super athletic yeah

41:23

there's a lot of performance and

41:25

obviously like we all know that

41:27

people get seriously seriously hurt and

41:29

there's tons of people have had

41:31

serious injuries and tons of surgeries

41:33

and stuff but do you have

41:35

you know moments with these guys

41:37

where you're like hey like don't

41:39

fucking flip a switch and like do

41:42

you do you have to like spend more

41:44

time with someone like that who's

41:46

coming from you know MMA or

41:48

like Mike with boxing or do

41:50

they just kind of get it

41:52

out of the gate well I'd rather in

41:54

my case I'd rather you come fully

41:57

like come and bring it bring

41:59

it because we afford it not looking

42:01

good on TV, good on We don't

42:03

have time to have time you up. Yeah

42:05

in this moment So if you're

42:07

outside coming in swing for the fences

42:09

for a big quote a always really I

42:11

I afterwards be like regret that we

42:13

saying swing for the fences saying when

42:15

it but when a great example a great example

42:17

I'll net it's very very hard for me when I'll

42:19

never say wrestling is fake I had

42:21

the word I get weird weird about I I don't

42:23

know why but the I always say to people

42:25

Hey, this reason I don't say it is

42:27

because if you look at that it is

42:29

and his son or the family over there

42:31

Their feelings are real. Yeah, so I

42:33

don't need to say this is feelings are I

42:35

can tell you if people ever wonder

42:37

how but I can tell can be the three matches

42:39

had with Brock can be, the three

42:41

the most competitive. are the most

42:44

And there's a thing when you work

42:46

with a guy who's a big monster.

42:48

He's a monster. Where they make you

42:50

earn it, is what they'll say. it not

42:52

just grabbing my leg, even though that

42:54

might be the spot. leg. You're not

42:56

just hitting me with that, me with that the

42:58

It's not just happening that way. You

43:00

have to actually earn it. And earn

43:02

it is as it is as as to it

43:04

being in a real fight as I've

43:07

ever been in my life. been in my life

43:09

back at the three at the three matches of the Brock

43:11

so proud of the the the of work

43:13

we put up. put but also our. also

43:15

I remember scared is is probably an appropriate

43:17

term term but just that was the most

43:19

aggressive I've been in been in fights wrestled

43:21

folk style freestyle did all that all that the

43:23

was the most real anything had

43:25

ever been for me in the

43:27

ring And I it actually gave

43:29

me a whole new education. Yeah I

43:31

guess to the top of our game to the top of

43:34

our game is it really means is there

43:36

is an element not just not just this yeah thank you this

43:38

you that to is going to be a

43:40

bit of a struggle because that man is a freak athlete and

43:42

there's a lot. Mark on the other

43:44

hand. hand Mark Henry because he came

43:46

through our and our and all that he's

43:48

a lot like the big show and

43:50

you ever that. He's a lot like the they I don't

43:52

always had to be really show Paul They they always

43:54

had to be really really if they, if they they

43:56

up. you up. Yeah, it's not that You can't be

43:58

that guy, guy, right? had to be the

44:00

most big show for one. Mark is fucking animal. Yeah, no, no, I mean,

44:03

do you ever heard the story about mean, at you ever

44:05

heard the story about him at Man, it

44:07

might have been the Arnold, where he been on stage where

44:09

he was on stage presenting. and That's Mark

44:11

and show together, yeah. And there was

44:13

the world's heaviest dumbbell, which it's all, it's a

44:15

it's a bit. Nobody can lift it,

44:17

nobody can lift it. I don't even

44:19

know how much it is, it, I don't but

44:21

Mark, much it, but Mark it, it. which people

44:23

were reacting to already and he dropped it off the

44:25

stage. dropped it it was like this kind of calamity.

44:27

He went down and picked it up and brought it

44:29

back up and put it back in the thing.

44:31

Not even thinking. up and brought It all worked

44:34

out like as if it had

44:36

been planned. Mark was genuinely the

44:38

world's strongest man. They say had

44:40

he even trained a little bit

44:42

harder, was his bit genuinely would have been

44:44

untouched to this day. His son

44:46

had he even a preliminary contract with

44:48

us, Jacob. his records would Jacob, untouched see.

44:50

I remember when Mark was a

44:52

junior Olympic lifter. Jacob. And he He

44:54

wasn't on a proper meal proper

44:56

meal plan. this like

44:58

so coach is like, what the coach. you

45:00

He's like, what the fuck are

45:03

you eating? brought him in and him in.

45:05

no, no, was like, to you gotta

45:07

be you you you as a a

45:09

heavyweight need to be eating this

45:11

much protein like was just him to do

45:13

him to he that properly he he

45:15

didn't have any idea. idea. He was

45:17

just raw -dogging it all. at all.

45:19

So I got a a good, I

45:21

love Mark Henry. He's still part

45:23

of this radio show called Busted

45:25

His son, son Jacob who is gonna come

45:27

up and baby, probably us all. us

45:30

all, when he does arrive, we're all looking forward

45:32

to it. But I have a fun

45:34

moment with Mark with I was in a

45:36

tag match in Cape at what's at what's

45:38

called Me Center. And it was a And it was

45:40

and I'm in there in I'm in there in I

45:42

think MVP I think MVP are Mark's partners

45:44

but Triple H is really leading this

45:47

match. wasn't wasn't great. of those one of

45:49

those where the crowd wasn't great. There's daylight

45:51

in the arena. arena. We've never experienced

45:53

that before. that before. Keep going. It's like a show, show. Daylight's

45:55

the ring. in the ring. And it's the the only

45:57

time I've ever seen it and And God

45:59

bless. a lot from and I hope he doesn't get

46:01

mad at me for sharing this, but I watched Mark

46:03

on the apron. I watched fall asleep. the

46:05

apron I watched I we're in the

46:08

middle of of bumping all this stuff, and

46:10

we're the bad guys, right? bad

46:12

guys, and I remember watching Mark

46:14

just slowly slowly Take

46:16

a nap. And then he then back, back he come

46:18

back to life he back to life to

46:20

when we eventually tagged him there was

46:22

not this we'd like to call it

46:24

the hot tag Could be the most

46:26

exciting 15 seconds of the night. There

46:28

was not this big exciting It's not

46:31

this big reaction the night. remember not this big you

46:33

know now our not this big reaction. I screaming

46:35

at Mark she's, on now our is the coldest

46:37

tag I've ever they're having this conversation

46:39

at Mark, I come on Mark, believe it But

46:41

we used to joke tag I've ever, they're a

46:43

song this beat him up break his neck

46:45

would we were just add terms to it

46:47

like like him up, break his neck. neck get

46:49

sweaty take a nap because I saw him

46:51

do it on the apron I never him do it

46:53

on the apron never forgot great great though

46:55

mark is great with someone like him

46:57

though I mean obviously you know it

47:00

but you but you can also physically sense

47:02

the level of strength someone like that

47:04

has when you're in a match with

47:06

them. a match with them with Mark with for sure,

47:08

Mark was always really really pros pro I'll say

47:11

with show I felt that I felt that

47:13

the most because I pissed him off

47:15

one night. night and I pissed pissed him

47:17

off one night and he did what's

47:19

called called the kick kick out where you like him and

47:21

then the guy goes the guy goes flying a ha ha

47:23

But he put it all behind it. I

47:25

And I remember hit the rope. wasn't It it

47:27

didn't even look clean. clean so he basically shot

47:30

me up a good four feet, dead cold

47:32

press, nothing underneath me shot me up four feet

47:34

I went then I went to the corner to

47:36

take the big chops, these big like like

47:38

bowls and they were they were overhand I had my

47:40

chin duck just a just a little bit he he

47:42

hit me here and he hit me here

47:44

and just Lightss out, drool in all myself. real. real? Yeah,

47:46

came to pretty quick quick. I don't think

47:48

he did that one on purpose that think that

47:50

was more my I because I learned so

47:52

much from this, big show But the one time

47:55

he ever needed to let me know the one

47:57

time he kill you. to let me know,

47:59

hey, I'll kill you. he did he did

48:01

let me know and I was probably

48:03

I'm I'm at that point at that point young

48:05

I deserved it and super helpful it

48:07

and in a helpful yeah Okay. Thank you

48:09

in an you for this okay lesson, but

48:11

yeah, thank you for this few people but

48:13

yeah find employment few people tattoo? When did

48:16

you decide to do it? Oh, I'd

48:18

love, by the way, this is one

48:20

of my do it oh I love by the way

48:22

this is one of my favorite sitting

48:24

there, and I said something

48:26

about something about this neck to it goes Yeah, it's a

48:28

a little bigger than I

48:30

thought than I thought. The logo was already

48:32

the American nightmare logo I already

48:34

had. So I was the logo was already art.

48:37

I Nightmare logo I already had so

48:39

I was never about the art,

48:41

I was never about the look really, I

48:43

was away WDB at the time. through this phase

48:45

where to really was my I was away

48:47

from W2B at the time, I was

48:49

trying to really build my own

48:51

brand and be my own thing, was

48:53

tired of wearing other I hated hated into

48:55

Dix and there's the, you know. Rocks logo everywhere. I was

48:58

want to make my own thing. to

49:00

make to be as bold as want to

49:02

I'm going as on my own thing.

49:04

gonna I'm going all in on my own thing So I I had

49:06

This idea that I would put it

49:08

on my chest. on my chest And then

49:10

I saw saw Connor McGregor, was just

49:12

absolutely absolutely you know box office guy. He had

49:14

a big line on his chest, like,

49:16

I can't do the chest. Then

49:18

I of course think about the Rock,

49:20

who's the biggest marquee guy and

49:23

my current boss as well. And he's

49:25

got the Brahma bull before all

49:27

the me. I thought, well, can't do the

49:29

arm. That's, you know, Goldberg, too, with the

49:31

barbed wire. thought, hmm. I'll do

49:33

the neck. I'll do the neck. to

49:35

did, he showed it to me. it

49:37

And it was It was smaller. And I thought

49:39

I thought that's perfect. peek right over

49:41

the collar. I'm always in suits. That's

49:43

perfect. And I love this guy. He still helps, this

49:45

guy. He still helps, and he'll dial

49:47

it up and fix it every now

49:49

and then when it needs to

49:51

be. But But I did the did the dumbest,

49:53

most thing ever. As I thing ever the chair

49:55

I sat there in the chair and

49:57

he kept giving me He goes,

49:59

you take... a look. You want want to take

50:01

a look? mean, I giving me an out. You

50:03

want to take a look? an out. You I'm good. to

50:06

You know, a look? my teeth. I don't know I'm fuck

50:08

I was trying to impress. like no one there.

50:10

wife's not there. don't know who you know? I And then

50:12

I got up and they're filming this. They're documenting

50:14

this whole thing. I got up and

50:16

I saw it. You know? And then I

50:18

didn't say anything in the moment, but it's like a

50:20

kid on Christmas who the gif was not that's

50:23

not the right thing. You know, it's know,

50:25

and I thought power ranger basically.

50:27

Yeah. Thank you. you. the think the first thing I

50:29

said was shook you, shook hands, and then headed

50:32

for the door and I had to wrestle the

50:34

next night. night So I I had a signing that

50:36

morning where I wrapped it in a scarf

50:38

because they wanted me to do it fresh they

50:40

away or take months fresh let it heal. So

50:42

I wrestled the next night. let it at this signing

50:44

with a scarf around. It's night. it's coming up

50:46

over the scarf. a There are people clearly who

50:48

know all, it's up. remember Jim Ross, There are of

50:50

Fame announcer. who know He thought it wasn't This big

50:52

Oklahoma Ross, Yeah, Oklahoma, yeah. thought it wasn't real.

50:54

I walked into the production meeting and at

50:57

the time I'm reading the production meeting. I'm the

50:59

meeting and the end. I remember him. the

51:01

production meeting. I'm the boss at the boss

51:03

at the end. The fucking... He He

51:05

couldn't believe it, Like, he couldn't fathom

51:07

fathom that this giant thing now

51:09

existed, but But I tell people, I

51:11

guess in the long run

51:14

it was really worth it. It's

51:16

kind of It's thing. of, I I

51:18

think for your job, rad. job,

51:20

if I didn't know who

51:22

you were, I'd be like, this

51:24

guy did were, years. know, guy did

51:26

20 a Like, like, he was a dangerous me

51:28

ask, I had, I

51:30

had... I had had like another, had

51:32

two dreams growing up growing

51:34

stupid. Forgive me. to do time in

51:36

prison me. To do years. prison. Two to be

51:38

a wrestler and then be a I really

51:40

want to be the I of Georgia. wanted to

51:43

was like, I grew up in Georgia, I love my state.

51:45

You wanted to be to the up to be the governor. I

51:47

on, hang on. I have plans on being the governor

51:49

of Florida. the governor of I met Arnold

51:51

Schwarzenegger, I was like, I'm going to

51:53

be the governor of Florida. my state. You wanted

51:55

to be the was like, this is a

51:57

real dream. I literally I could be a

51:59

politician. a real. This could be real. real. Especially we'd

52:01

be like like you'd be of Georgia, I'll

52:03

be governor of Florida. be Be right next

52:05

to each other. Just be right next to each other. you

52:07

know? just buddy comes up with stuff like this

52:09

a lot. up with stuff like this a lot. inspiring though, because

52:11

if you watch the Arnold though I you think

52:13

a lot of people are like, the he

52:15

said he could do it, a that I think that

52:17

whole thing he goes into are I see

52:19

another mountain and I have to climb it.

52:21

But that whole thought a little bit about it

52:23

later in my life about the tattoo and

52:25

I thought, I don't know if everyone would. it.

52:28

understand that tattoo because think at a glance

52:30

no yeah once like like as were you were

52:33

running for something like governor the thing

52:35

about it is your story gets out.

52:37

So you become actually you'd become

52:39

the person person who opens doors for doors

52:41

for my tattoo people. my gosh. since

52:43

would be like, ever since he became

52:45

I got yeah I got hired by a I got

52:48

hired by a tech company and stop shutting

52:50

the doors the doors in our faces. be

52:52

be that guy. the state of

52:54

Florida tattooed right here. Oh my gosh.

52:56

Little and green. green. A drop, but it's the

52:58

no reason you shouldn't do that today.

53:00

Dude, I have a tattoo you at

53:03

my house. I've been tattooing

53:05

people all the time. Tattooing. at my

53:07

house? I've been does that. Tattoo. all you

53:09

have to do is choose to

53:11

say something differently. that. Tattoo? Tattoo? Tattoo? Tattoo?

53:13

Tattoo? Tattoo? Tattoo? Yeah, there it is. it

53:15

is. the nightmare. Yeah, no, nightmare is, nightmare is like, I assume

53:17

that Night was purposeful because that was to screw you

53:19

over. No, no, no, no, no, no, No, over. is No.

53:21

thought it No. was. No. And then I, now I

53:23

is how I thought it was and

53:25

then the way? Yeah, the change it back It's

53:27

Did you see so from a true crime the

53:30

way? Yeah doc perspective, Oh, so crazy more

53:32

than okay, more okay, more than, I like it.

53:34

So did, a true crime doc perspective did

53:36

annoys me did more than then, He

53:38

probably did it and then three episodes

53:40

like, there like, like, like, like, like, He He did

53:42

it. need a need a spin. Yeah. I need

53:44

something in nightmare that talk. Oh gosh. Well, I I

53:46

don't want to spoil it for everybody. it

53:48

Let's spoil it, fuck him. So Let's

53:50

the end. the end of X I always I

53:52

always get on is like whether or not or

53:54

not people always argue about, yeah,

53:57

know, there such thing as normal? And you're

53:59

yes, of course. is. And there's a

54:01

a spectrum of normal behavior

54:03

you're somebody whose girlfriend was

54:05

was just kidnapped. the way he is And

54:07

the way he is in that

54:09

interrogation room, you're like, this is

54:11

fucking completely abnormal, the way

54:13

he's talking. way he's talking. leads you to

54:15

go you to go like, yeah, this is fucked up.

54:17

He's the problem. He's the two, when

54:19

they feature the girl, feature the

54:22

her behavior.