0:04

A podcast call twenty

0:06

five whist stuck and

0:09

they go wearing a whist So, yeah, it's too

0:11

bad, but what did you expect?

0:13

It's a podcast call twenty

0:15

five whistles.

0:19

Blow the whistle? Do we ever keep track

0:21

of how many episodes we're in? Mike? Do we do that anymore?

0:24

Yeah?

0:24

One million, eighty two

0:27

this season?

0:28

Yeah?

0:29

Thank good for us.

0:31

Where's the money was rolling in? Like we've done a bunch, No.

0:33

Eighty two that's a lot.

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Hey guys, yeah, everybody out there listening.

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If you listen to this, would you please subscribe on

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our own channel and then uh, if

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Then tell your friends right, like, oh I listen to this podcast,

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you should too?

0:47

Host it man?

0:49

Yeah yeah please yeah, drop it into the group text.

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Yeah please guys, like, wait, I'll be

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honest, we need to help. So yeah, thank

0:55

you all for listening. I do have an update if

0:57

you're ready for an update, I'm ready for an update on pick

1:00

a ball situation. Oh for

1:02

those that are new, I

1:04

post a video on me just hitting a pickle ball and

1:07

some troll jumps up and goes you suck. I can

1:09

tell you suck because you didn't come up to the net, and I'm like,

1:11

bro. Then playing a tournament, it was like the first

1:13

day back after winter, and so I'm like,

1:15

let's go, let's play the game. Me and you thousand bucks.

1:17

All did was challenge the troll and apparently

1:20

he's a four year D one athlete and.

1:23

Whatever, I hear you.

1:25

Whatever, I'm willing to go against a four year D

1:27

one athlete.

1:28

Just to try to fight a troll boom.

1:29

Because I don't like people to jump in with negativity for

1:31

no reason. And I understand I'd probably the underdog in this situation,

1:34

but I don't care. And he's like, here's my home court. But

1:36

here's the thing. I said. We'll play for money, but I don't want

1:38

to get scammed. I've been scammed more

1:40

than once with money doing content

1:43

where I'm like, here's

1:45

five hundred bucks and then

1:47

it's the wrong doesn't matter. How do I

1:52

get the money to somewhere and

1:54

he gets the money to somewhere, Like

1:56

who's the somewhere?

1:57

Yeah, that's interesting because I do.

2:00

Not want to get scammed. And I'm also just not gonna

2:02

believe somebody because if we

2:04

go up there we go up there, or

2:06

the underdogs all good, we take the whole crew, we

2:08

shoot it. I stand. I've

2:11

never said this. I stun a business. I

2:14

know, I've never actually said that. I don't know how I felt,

2:16

but I tried it. I

2:19

don't want to go in and be like, I'm not giving

2:21

you the money.

2:22

So if you do like a Venmo account,

2:25

right, it doesn't matter whose it is. You have a Venmo

2:28

account. It shows that the

2:30

money is in there, right it does.

2:32

But who gets to know the person that

2:34

has the Venmo account? Because if I were him,

2:37

I wouldn't trust. If I'm like, just send me the thousand

2:40

bucks and I'll hold it or one of my boys

2:42

will hold it. I don't know that I would

2:44

trust that. And if he did the same thing, like send

2:46

it here or send it to something I have access to,

2:48

that's me getting scammed.

2:50

And then can we trust going all the way

2:52

to Cleveland.

2:54

It's somewhere in Ohio? I think it's So.

2:55

We go all the way to Ohio and he doesn't show up.

2:57

Like, that's not good either, right, So we need to have the money, but

3:00

for anyone travels anywhere, correct.

3:01

So here's the challenge, because I want to do this, and

3:05

to me, it doesn't matter. It's

3:08

not about winning or losing. I want to win for sure,

3:10

and I want to win the money. But it's

3:12

mostly like if people are gonnatrol, they should

3:14

be called out for it. Yeah,

3:17

I want to do it. I just need to do it in a way

3:19

that it's safe to put my money somewhere. So think

3:22

about this. This is going to be the challenge or if you're

3:24

listening and you know how we could do this because

3:26

he's like, let's go, but I haven't responded

3:28

yet because I don't know how to do this without getting possibly

3:31

scammed.

3:32

You couldn't do like the half and half? Right,

3:34

five hundred isn't it enough?

3:36

Where does it go?

3:36

Yeah, that's another I'm just yeah.

3:39

I don't We both would have to do that.

3:41

But it's the same point. It's like, well,

3:43

who's holding it, and whoever's holding it if they're

3:45

connected to one of the two sides. I

3:48

know we're trustworthy, but

3:51

he doesn't know that. And I don't even

3:53

know who he is. I don't even know his name.

3:54

You know what he looks like.

3:55

I have no idea what he looks like. I probably don't want to know I probably

3:57

intimidated as a four year D one athlete, but

4:00

I'm not scared to go and play. I

4:02

just don't want to get scammed. So think about

4:05

that, and if any listeners out there you want to

4:07

send me a DM at mister

4:09

Bobby Bones and let me know what we could do, that's awesome

4:11

too. But I also have to think about him going,

4:13

I'm not putting my money somewhere I don't know.

4:15

Yeah, so I mean you could go old school and both

4:17

get a money order and like send a

4:19

picture of the money order to the other person to prove that

4:21

it's that it's set.

4:23

But I think if I were trying, okay, then I don't

4:25

even know what a money order is. Then I try to scam

4:27

it myself. Then I go, okay, I

4:29

took a picture, and then I would just go and take it back, right

4:34

because if I'm putting it in his name, but

4:37

he may never get it. If I win, he's not getting it.

4:39

It's true. I wish

4:41

my dad was still alive.

4:42

Man.

4:42

He used to deal with people from Mexico that was always

4:44

like this was always the conversation, like how do I

4:46

get money?

4:47

Yeah, we would do money orders.

4:48

That's what we would do.

4:50

So that's where we are think about it. That's number

4:52

one here on the list. Number two. I do want

4:54

to talk about the toush push for a second. Oh come

4:56

on, do you think they should

4:59

eliminate the tush push before we get into

5:01

what the teams? And again,

5:03

we're recording this on Thursdays, so when it comes

5:05

out on Friday there, I don't think they

5:07

have voted by then. M No.

5:10

I think there's just a lot of talk during the combine stover

5:12

look.

5:12

At the media, and I think is like in a couple of weeks, okay,

5:14

great, first the tush push.

5:17

Should it be banned Eddie?

5:20

No way, Jose. You

5:23

do not punish a team or

5:25

a coach for coming up with this amazing

5:27

play that is pretty much unstoppable.

5:30

I think it's awesome and there's no excuse

5:33

like it's a safety issue. It wasn't a safety

5:35

issue, Like, come on, football is a safety issue.

5:37

The tush push is awesome, it's

5:40

genius, and it should remain the way

5:42

it is.

5:42

Thanks soccrates. Football is a safety issue.

5:44

You got it going

5:48

athens like preaching.

5:50

Out of here. You hate it because you can't stop

5:53

it. Now it is frustrating. I get it. We've

5:55

been on the other side of the toush push. It's frustrating.

5:57

But as I don't know, man, they just

6:00

somebody came up with a great idea and it works.

6:02

Kevin, I

6:04

say, no, let's not get

6:06

wishy washing.

6:07

Go ahead, but maybe we could tweak

6:09

it. Okay, So what about tweaking it? Like

6:13

they've lined everybody up on the line, they have two guys

6:15

behind them to push them. You're only allowed one guy

6:17

behind them, and then another guy's got to go out

6:20

as wide receiver. Okay, So you got

6:22

to tweak the alignment okay, and

6:24

the formation a little bit to maybe

6:26

give a little less advantage. So it makes every

6:28

other team happy and still makes Eagles

6:30

like Okay, we could still do it with a little tweak.

6:33

Here can ask a question about that. Yeah,

6:35

do we really think that two people pushing effects

6:37

it more than one person?

6:39

No, but it's still making this GM

6:41

happy and the other around the league happy and making

6:43

everybody happy.

6:44

Yours is more of a diplomatic give than

6:48

something that would actually change the toush push.

6:50

Okay.

6:50

I'm with you, Yeah, and

6:52

I agree with both of you, and that the

6:55

Eagles kind of discovered it. Sure

6:57

did their thing, and everybody else is just mad because they can't

6:59

do the thing. And people have tried. Buffalo, I think

7:01

was number two. They did it far less, but Buffalo was number two.

7:03

But then playoff Buffalo couldn'tven get it to work five

7:05

times. I think it's didn't

7:07

even get at the work. So I'll give you my answer.

7:09

I'll read you the story first from ESPN. The

7:12

mystery team proposing a ban of the Eagles Push

7:14

Push is the Packers, which,

7:17

by the way, they don't even play them, I mean

7:19

once maybe. I mean imagine if you're

7:21

also over in the NFC East, you have to play him twice.

7:24

But the NFL's EVP of Football Operations,

7:26

Troy Vincent, initially chose not

7:29

to identify the team, but Packers

7:31

GM Brian Guda Kuntz later

7:33

owned it. At the NFL Combine, he admitted

7:36

the Packers quote hadn't been very successful against it,

7:38

and he expects quote a lot of discussions about

7:40

it. One of those discussions might be that teams should

7:42

figure out how to defend it instead of outright

7:44

banning it, a move that Eagles coach Nick Sirianne says

7:46

would be unfair to his team from again

7:48

ESPN, I'm gonna say ban it. Ooh,

7:51

and not for the reasons that you guys say, because I agree

7:53

with both of you, Like the Eagles came

7:55

up with something nobody can stop it. You

7:58

got it, buddy. It's terribly

8:00

boring for television, and I'm always a

8:04

this is a television show because

8:06

that's where the money is product first, So

8:09

if you were just playing it wasn't on TV.

8:11

Great.

8:11

I don't think the Eagles cheated. I think it's a great idea,

8:14

but it's boring to watch because there

8:16

really is no drama on a fourth and one when the

8:18

Eagles have the ball. So I

8:20

think it was wildly smart.

8:24

But if I'm only speaking selfishly

8:26

and as a network executive

8:29

or as the NFL that cares about television, I

8:31

probably am not allowing it unless there

8:34

are certain things like you can only tush push inside

8:36

the five, like I think there are modifications

8:38

that you can make the tush push inside

8:40

the five, or you get two tush

8:43

pushes a game like

8:45

challenges like in my

8:47

Madden League that we play in because

8:49

the quarterback sneak it's

8:52

kind of a glitch where you can get it to work almost every

8:54

time for two yards. It's not even the tushpush. You just quarterback

8:56

sneak. You know you're gonna get two yards. We

9:00

can only quarterbacks sneak twice a game in

9:02

a user game we're playing another player. If we're

9:04

playing the computer, we do it all day. But

9:07

we can only quarterbacks sneak twice a game because

9:09

it's a bit of a glitch. But I would say the Eagles toushbush

9:11

is a bit of a glitch. They figured it out. So

9:14

for television reasons only, I

9:18

don't like the toush push being able to be

9:20

done on the thirty eight yard line and six

9:22

times in a game. So I'm

9:24

gonna say no toush push.

9:26

Oh but we want to touch push. We're being okay, let's

9:29

compromise. You get to a game, that's

9:31

it, or tushbush all you want inside

9:33

the five.

9:34

Dang, that's such a better compromise of money.

9:37

But if I'm not compromising, I'm just going

9:39

no tush push for television reasons because admit

9:41

it's boring.

9:42

Oh yeah, it's boring. But you know what's not

9:44

boring is when a team

9:46

hires a physics professor

9:49

to figure out the physics of how to stop

9:51

something like this, and they actually stop it.

9:53

That's boring. If somebody's hiring a physics the football, that's

9:55

boring, dude.

9:56

But if they stop it, all right.

9:58

But they can't, nobody can.

10:00

Persistently, somebody is going to figure out how to stop

10:02

it.

10:02

I don't think it's a physics thing. I don't think so, no,

10:05

because I think it's a quarterback

10:07

that has very strong legs and a center

10:12

that has a very strong butt,

10:14

and players that have now run it and know

10:16

how to do it and not be injured. I don't think it's a physics thing.

10:18

Then maybe, like you get all of

10:20

your linemen on your team, backups

10:23

and everything, and forget the secondary whenever

10:25

they show toush push, Your biggest

10:27

men on the field.

10:28

Can't do that unless you're substitute. Like

10:31

they can't substitute on defense unless the offense

10:33

substitutes.

10:34

Really didn't know that I changed

10:36

that, then.

10:37

Yeah's that rule. I

10:40

think it's hilarious. I love the toush push if it's

10:42

my team, So I don't thinkre's anything wrong with

10:44

it. But I I'm bored by it. And

10:47

so the NFL does not want people to be bored by

10:49

anything, which is why they protect

10:51

their quarterbacks.

10:52

Sure, it is a matter of time. You

10:54

would think that what they ban it?

10:56

And it well, and remember two years ago,

10:58

you couldn't use your hands

11:00

or your body to influence anybody

11:02

going forward. Yeah, you could push them, grab

11:04

them, you couldn't pull. That was a rule. It's not

11:07

as much anymore because the toush push is just that everybody

11:09

leaning in and maybe you just do tush push, but there's

11:11

nobody pushing the tush. It's just a quarterback sneak. But then it's

11:13

just a quarterback sneak. Yeah, so

11:15

there's only no tush in the push. But

11:19

I'm gonna go ban it because I'm bored by it. Next

11:22

up Gronk maybe coming back to the NFL.

11:25

No stop it. He can't. He

11:27

looks like.

11:28

He sees Travis Kelsey's like I can do.

11:30

He looks like broken down RoboCop, like

11:33

his last season with the Bucks, like

11:35

he just it looked like if

11:37

he got hit hard, he was not gonna get

11:39

back up.

11:40

He always looked like that though when

11:42

he was younger.

11:43

He's only thirty five. Well, yeah, that's

11:45

great, and that's on the older end, but it's not

11:47

like he's forty three and he is a

11:49

monster. A new report suggests that future

11:52

Hall of Fame tied end Rob Gronkowski may

11:54

not yet be done. The four time

11:56

Super Bowl champion is working out in Vail, Colorado,

11:59

and his contempl retiring

12:01

from retirement. These

12:04

same sources say that Gronk has liked

12:06

what he's seen from Broncos quarterback Bo Nicks,

12:09

and also the Bengals are

12:11

one of the teams they think he could go to. Interesting, He's

12:13

not gonna go to the Patriots. He's not gonna go to the Bucks.

12:15

He went to the Bucks for Brady's not going to the Patriots cause they suck.

12:18

If you're Gronk and you're gonna go play, you're gonna go play at

12:20

somebody who gives you a chance to win a champion

12:22

championship. So that

12:25

would be fun. I

12:27

think that would be extremely hard for him to do, being

12:29

out of the league for so long. Yeah, when you're

12:31

known for being such a

12:34

physical player, it's probably hard

12:36

to jump back in and be as physical.

12:38

Because it wasn't like he was known for his precision.

12:41

No did his body.

12:43

I mean it took a toll

12:46

towards the end was like one hit will be

12:48

like, Okay, I'm good on this.

12:50

Actually I don't know, dude, he's huge.

12:52

He is a monster.

12:53

You met him? No,

12:57

did we see him at the super Bowl? He was

12:59

there at Radio Row, but I don't

13:01

know any of us ever saw him. I never saw him, because

13:03

I did see videos later that he was there.

13:05

Okay, so you're saying you didn't seehim a person, you

13:07

just knew he was in the same place three points because I was

13:09

saying, is he mass. I have a really good friend

13:11

that's really good friends with them, and a couple of

13:13

times he's been like are you here, I'm here with Gronk and

13:15

like I want to talk to gronk sister. Once for a birthday

13:18

random.

13:19

I sent her a video Yeah,

13:22

like cameo or my.

13:24

Friend that's friends with Gronk was like, hey, Gronk's

13:26

sister is here. He doesn't call him, Gronk

13:28

tells him Rob Basically, he's like,

13:30

gronk sister is here. She's a big fan of her birthday we're doing.

13:32

Would you sent her a video saying happy birthday? So I just sent

13:35

him a video of me going hey, Gronk sister wasn't her name,

13:37

but yeah.

13:37

That's awesome.

13:38

I know it's not the same. But we saw Jimmy Graham. Oh

13:41

he was at the stage right

13:43

next to us at one point. He was tall

13:45

and just like.

13:46

Yeah, when when you when those guys look big

13:49

on the field, you know they're just ginormous.

13:51

Yeah, yes, because they're up against

13:53

other big people. Like when I met Eli

13:55

Manning years ago. Eli Manning doesn't

13:57

look big on the field. Eli Manning

14:00

as a monster, And that's just being even

14:02

with those people. When someone it's a great point when

14:04

someone looks big, even on the field, they're huge.

14:07

I was blown away by

14:10

the Rams offensive lineman he came on

14:12

the show. Yeah, Andrew Whitworth,

14:14

blown away with how massive he

14:17

was. He's basketball player

14:19

height, professional basketball player height. And

14:21

then offensive lineman waight, Yeah,

14:23

I don't know how you get around that.

14:24

And Cam Hayward he was a monster. Yeah,

14:27

I knew was scary looking.

14:28

Do you remember him.

14:29

I do remember him, because I don't know he was at first,

14:31

but I would say he was scary looking

14:33

in that he was big, and oh

14:36

my god, she was huge, angry. Yeah,

14:39

but he I don't think he was like Wentworth's size,

14:41

because I don't think he was as tall.

14:43

No, no, he's not as tall as Whitworth. Whitworth

14:45

was like you can see him in a sea of people and his head

14:48

is above everyone else.

14:49

He okay, get this, he's three hundred

14:51

and thirty one pounds.

14:55

Boy.

14:56

Yeah,

14:58

and then six seven to he's got

15:00

to be at least yeah, he's got he's

15:02

six seven six seven three

15:04

point thirty. That's like Gladiator.

15:07

That's like back in the day, he'd been in the middle of the coliseum,

15:09

like fighting people because he's so big. Huh

15:13

yeah wild. They ranked the best dunkers

15:15

in NBA history. Now

15:17

I've seen the list, so unfair, but

15:20

I think I can do. Had I not

15:22

seen the list, I can give you a rough overview who I said. I have

15:24

been wrong on some of them because I would have only been going

15:27

from slam dunk contests from being a kid,

15:30

so I would have picked people like Spud

15:33

Weeb. He won it in like eighty four, I think,

15:35

and he was five foot six and

15:37

he wasn't the best dunker, but the fact that someone that small

15:40

could dunk, which I thought was crazy, Like I

15:42

would have thought of Spud web just

15:44

some of the dunk contest winners I think about, like d Brown,

15:46

he did the look into the arm Celtics. Oh yeah, that

15:48

was like in a big Sports illustrated fold out like that was

15:50

cool. But he wasn't like a crazy good

15:52

NBA player that was dunking all the time in games.

15:55

I would have picked Dominique Wilkins because how

15:57

angry he was when he dunked in

16:00

games. And it slam dunk contest obviously.

16:02

I had to pick Michael Jordan just

16:05

because he has very famous dunks and

16:07

he dunked a lot, but he has some really famous and his logo

16:09

is a dunk.

16:11

Yes, it is the Jumpman's

16:13

a dunk.

16:15

No, right, that picture didn't come

16:17

from him dunking.

16:19

Yeah, but Hugh did it at some point I

16:21

remember, like maybe he recreated or something,

16:23

maybe during a slam dunk contest, but he did do

16:25

the but the picture was first Yeah,

16:28

I bet you're right about that.

16:29

And the picture was not him dunking. It was just

16:31

like him jumping. Yeah,

16:34

something weird, like it wasn't even yet

16:36

Mike, would you mind looking that up?

16:39

Or or could it be a celebration,

16:41

like you know how you jump up and fist

16:44

pumping.

16:44

I feel like it was something

16:47

contrived and set up, but it

16:49

wasn't a dunk Michael find it. Oh we'll

16:51

mention a minute. So that had been who had to put on the list,

16:54

and of that I would have only gotten Jordan

16:59

and Dominique. So

17:01

when I say best dunkers of all time five,

17:05

six, seven, eight, remember they didn't

17:07

even dunk until like forty years ago,

17:10

like in the early black and white days. He had a couple

17:12

and that was like crazy. It was all like white

17:15

guy plumbers and you know they weren't dunking.

17:17

But who comes to you guys's mind, is this one's

17:19

one I should have got?

17:20

Yeah?

17:21

Uh have you seen the list?

17:22

No?

17:22

I haven't.

17:23

The first person that pops in my mind who wanted me to go yeah, Vince

17:25

Carter.

17:26

That's exactly who I saw. Was like, how did I miss Vince

17:28

Carter?

17:28

Yeah?

17:29

And then because Vince Carter dunked all the

17:31

time on everybody big

17:33

or small, and he.

17:34

Had like the greatest dunk contest of

17:36

all time. Yeah yeah, in my memory.

17:38

At least more than better than mclung.

17:40

I mean there's no car.

17:41

Involved, there was no.

17:43

Three pt Mike what'd

17:45

you find. Yeah, it was just during a photo shoot.

17:48

He just jumped up in a photo show.

17:49

And they were taking a picture and he's like, I'm gonna do a ballet move

17:51

and that's what it was.

17:54

Good, fine, good, fine, good fine, Okay.

17:56

Vince Carter on the list. Sean

17:59

Kemp, great call, did

18:01

make the list. Hard

18:04

dunker like that Mother Africa

18:06

dunks with Sean

18:09

Eddie.

18:10

Uh, Mailman karme alone.

18:12

Yeah he could

18:14

he mean he could dunk.

18:15

Yeah, I remember I had a poster where he was dunk in this cier

18:18

is not.

18:18

Not on not on the list. List is bro Bible on a

18:20

bunch people that had contributed to it not saying you're

18:22

wrong, Hey he could dunk.

18:23

Man, he could dunk, you know.

18:25

Sorry, go ahead.

18:26

Another one.

18:27

I'm thinking kind of underrated

18:29

in his game because he's such a great player. But Kobe Bryant could

18:31

dunk. Hey, there's down some

18:33

good ones.

18:34

Yeah, Kobe did not make the list. Uh, this

18:36

is one that I should have thought of and didn't because it's

18:38

recent enough to play Griffin.

18:40

Oh yeah, a lot of

18:42

city, yes, him and Chris Paul. Yeah,

18:45

it was nasty.

18:46

Yes, it was all dunked, all time. Yeah,

18:48

like I would have missed that one and then I would have hated myself

18:50

for it. Okay, anybody

18:54

else?

18:54

How many do we have?

18:55

Left a lot too? And

18:58

I'll say this, one of them still plays. Two

19:02

of them are in our lifetime

19:04

of watching basketball, and one is not so

19:07

go old old school, old

19:09

old. We never watched your Jay, correct,

19:11

Julia Servin, that's

19:14

good, Kevin three left

19:19

one one plays right now, John

19:24

Marin. Oh, that's a good

19:26

one though, because that dude flies out of everywhere. He's so

19:28

fast and he dunks on people all sizes.

19:32

Mm

19:32

hmm.

19:35

Russell Westburg go more

19:38

more famous, way

19:41

more famous? Oh, Lebron, Yes, yeah.

19:46

We're so dumb.

19:46

We're thinking too much.

19:47

Yeah.

19:48

The other two, I don't think you're going to

19:50

get just by guessing. I'll say one

19:52

of them a very famous Phoenix son,

19:55

not Charles Barkley, a very famous Phoenix

19:57

son. We saw and Nick and Nick maristmar

20:00

yes, Maricenemer he

20:02

was awesome. Yeah, he was awesome. And

20:04

the other one Jason Richardson, Oh

20:07

yeah, Jay.

20:07

Richards Oh you know Richard

20:10

did he played for Golden State.

20:12

He was bouncing, he bounced around Golden State, was I

20:14

wondered who he thought, who you saw him playing with,

20:16

because I thought Golden State too.

20:18

Yeah, that's why I affiliated. But I know he bounced around.

20:20

Okay, cool, everybody feel good about

20:22

that. Yeah,

20:28

we got a guest coming up in a second. We like talking

20:31

college basketball, and he's been losing a lot of money

20:33

in college basketball.

20:34

Actually, I made some good money on Florida the

20:36

other night that Florida

20:38

was down. Uh, they were playing

20:41

Georgia, which George is a little sneaky team.

20:43

Man, Georgia. Yeah, but they kind of sucked, but they Okay,

20:46

Sneaky's a good point because they can't win a game.

20:48

But they're not gonna win a lot of games.

20:49

There are a handfuls of sneaky teams, which I love.

20:51

At this time of the year, I'm like starting to collect

20:53

my little notes.

20:54

Of like, watch they're not making the tournament though, well

20:56

Georgia, but.

20:57

Just because they're in the SEC. Probably,

21:00

But you know, like Texas A and M. Sneaky

21:02

team, good sneaky team. I

21:04

next this A and M.

21:05

They don't play offense. I mean they do, they have to, but

21:08

they beat people up defensively

21:11

where that hurts you in the tournament though, is if you can't play

21:13

offense. Yeah, and the

21:15

refs are very consistent

21:17

in the tournament because they are

21:19

great at every game to see if they get to move on to

21:21

the next game. So there's no hey, we're going to

21:23

play it this way tonight, which kind of happens around

21:26

the country in different leagues and by different refs.

21:28

They know they're getting great to go to the next game. So if

21:31

you're a great defensive team, that helps. But if you have no

21:33

offense at times because of how they're calling the game, you

21:35

can really get yourself in trouble. I've watched too

21:37

much SEC. I can like break down all the times. I'm sorry interrupt,

21:39

I'm ahead, No, it's good.

21:40

But anyway, Florida was playing Georgia and they

21:43

were down by twenty points. So I was like, come

21:45

on, this cannot in this way. So I got them

21:47

at plus ten, plus eight, plus

21:49

five. It was one of those games you know where I'm like, I

21:51

gotta just keep going, keep going, keep going. And

21:53

they lost by four points.

21:55

So you hit that.

21:56

I hit all three of them. I'm like, let's go.

21:58

By ribbon

22:00

to something on Instagram

22:03

that I wanted to bring up and that's how I save a lot of my stuff.

22:05

Now is I ribbon it?

22:05

Mike?

22:06

How do I find my ribbons? Instagram has changed.

22:09

Should be able to go to your bookmarks and your profile?

22:11

Oh was that what? The ribbon is a bookmark? That

22:13

makes sense?

22:15

Yeah, I didn't know what he was talking about.

22:16

The first the three.

22:17

Dots on the side on the top right of

22:19

your profile.

22:20

I so the three slashes, now, yeah, the slashes.

22:22

Okay, settings and activity. We're gonna do this together,

22:24

and you should see the saved

22:28

boom, got it? Thank you? That's where it is.

22:29

What are you looking for?

22:30

I had saved this thing that DraftKings

22:32

had done. It was AI

22:35

predicts where these free agents will end up. So

22:39

number one, T Higgins. This is AI

22:41

that that predicted. They typed all this crap in and gave

22:44

all the scenarios. Uh, T

22:47

Higgins to the Carolina Panthers.

22:51

But that'd be about money, right, because if the

22:53

Bengals don't because they have Burrow,

22:56

they're paying him a ton. They

22:58

have three other players and that's

23:00

four they're going to do four with basically

23:02

max contracts, two wide

23:05

receivers obviously one edge

23:09

and they said they may have to with

23:13

Higgins do the one year franchise,

23:15

franchise tag him and he doesn't

23:17

want to be tagged, So they say

23:20

the Panthers Digs to the.

23:21

Cowboys Stefan with

23:23

a B.

23:24

That'd be cool, that would together, that would

23:26

be cool.

23:26

This is a I too, by the way.

23:27

They Cooper Cup to the Chargers. That'd be

23:30

easy. Yeah, stay done, you got to move stays

23:32

there, Amari Cooper to the Ravens.

23:35

They could use him. Yeah, I

23:37

feel like he'd be better though there too, because the

23:39

Cowboys suck.

23:40

He wasn't with the Cowboys.

23:42

He was with when he was though. Yeah,

23:44

Yeah, that's the last time I saw him play consistently put

23:46

Browns. The Browns didn't counted

23:49

on the bills he didn't and the Browns didn't count because

23:51

they would have a quarterback.

23:52

Yeah.

23:52

So like, I feel like the last time I saw him have a chance with

23:54

the Cowboys and they didn't. They sucked. No

23:57

offense, dude. Keenan Allen to the Chiefs.

24:01

Oh gosh, he just gets hurt.

24:04

Debo to the Steelers. Oh

24:06

Man, Chris god one of the Jaguars.

24:10

Devanta Adams to the Lions. Yeah,

24:15

if I'm Devanta Adams. I'd like that.

24:17

That awesome.

24:17

Yeah, yeah, you want to do quarterbacks real quick?

24:21

This is not AI, this is US. Where will they

24:23

end up? Where will they end up? Let's

24:25

go fear with the Matthew Stafford. He wants fifty

24:27

million bucks. Rams are like, I don't think we're gonna

24:29

give it to you, Matthew Stafford. I'm

24:31

gonna say Stafford ends up. So

24:34

I think it's Giants or Raiders. I

24:37

think Giants are

24:40

probably the leader right now, with

24:42

the Raiders being number two out of the Rams.

24:44

I'm not going to pay fifty million.

24:45

Bucks, and who needs a quarterback?

24:47

So Giants, Giants, and the Raiders.

24:49

I think the other teams aren't going to pay fifty million bucks

24:51

though. So I think those are the two options. Two options

24:54

that will pay him. Trade a decent

24:56

draft pick, because it's not we're just gonna take him and pay

24:58

him. It's you got to pay him if you get him, because

25:00

he wants longer than a one year deal. Yeah,

25:03

so it's what pick can you give up? I think the Raiders

25:05

have six and the Giants

25:07

have maybe two or three. Yeah,

25:10

so you're gonna probably trade. That's

25:12

what the hope is that first round pick. I can't see anybody trading

25:14

that pick. Maybe a second and third rounder, but

25:17

I think Stafford's probably a giant.

25:19

Yeah, I would go to the Giants. That's all I was gonna say.

25:21

Outside shot a Raider. Kirk Cousins, Tennessee,

25:25

I'm gonna say, I want to say Cleveland. Stefanski

25:28

was his play caller in Minnesota, and

25:32

Kirk Cousins can do what

25:35

we just saw happen from

25:38

Denver to Pittsburgh with Russ Wilson,

25:41

where Russ was guaranteed all the money, so he took

25:43

the minimum to go to Pittsburgh so it didn't

25:45

hit their cap at all. And because

25:47

the Browns, oh massage

25:50

man ninety million bucks or whatever this son,

25:52

Yeah, they can

25:56

take Cousins minimally. He

25:58

still gets his money if he's not staying. A backup

26:01

they're now saying. The Falcons are still saying the backup.

26:03

Yeah, there's no way.

26:04

If he stays, they can pay him ninety million

26:06

in one year or fifty for two,

26:09

or they can figure out how to trade him. And if they figure

26:12

out to trade him to Cleveland, that also maybe

26:14

gets Miles Garrett to stay, because

26:16

Miles Garrett's like, I'm out of here. We're not even trying.

26:19

And he can go for a few hundred thousand bucks

26:21

and still make all the same money because of what he's

26:23

owed in Atlanta, and he has a relationship with

26:25

Stefanski. So that's

26:27

my pick.

26:29

It's pretty good pick, though, I was gonna say, you're pretty in depth.

26:32

I mean, I just said the Titans random.

26:34

Guess Aaron Rodgers that's

26:37

home, like he's

26:40

going home. I'm gonna pick

26:42

the Rams if Stafford

26:44

leaves. And

26:47

if Stafford goes somewhere and they get some decent picks,

26:50

I think they probably draft their next quarterback.

26:52

And Aaron Rodgers is there for a year maybe

26:55

two, and that's the system, he'd probably

26:57

do really well. And because everybody does,

27:00

so I'm gonna say the Rams. If Stafford isn't

27:03

there, I don't know what the Titan's gonna do. I hope the Titans don't

27:05

bring Rogers here. So if Stafford doesn't leave, then where's

27:07

Rogers go? Prie the Titans? But that's annoying for us.

27:09

Yeah, and why would you want to come here just

27:12

to play house?

27:13

He's got a house here.

27:14

He's not gonna like you guys, don't worry.

27:15

I got a house.

27:16

We're good to know the yard. Dude, stay there, Stay

27:19

there, You're not gonna do anything else. Stay there. We're all good. Other

27:22

quarterbacks that can be moving around? Can you think of any other

27:24

ones?

27:25

Oh?

27:26

Sam Donald?

27:26

Oh yeah, are

27:29

the Seahawks gonna keep Gino?

27:31

Yeah?

27:32

What about the Steelers?

27:35

So Rogers to the Steelers is also a thing though, Yeah,

27:38

but I have not heard Donald to the Steelers

27:40

at all. So Donald could really

27:42

end up back in Minnesota. Probably not,

27:45

though, because I don't think they're gonna pay him, especially

27:47

because we talked to Kevin O'Connell the other not ours,

27:49

but the head coach, and just hearing him

27:51

talk was like, Hey, we're gonna let him see

27:54

what his value is to me. That's we're

27:56

gonna probably lose him.

27:58

Yeah, I mean I think the.

28:01

For Darnald, we're still right. Yeah,

28:04

the Raiders would be.

28:04

Good if Stafford doesn't go there. I

28:07

think you have a couple of pieces of their affecting other pieces.

28:09

But I think the Raiders is good. Okay, Uh

28:11

interview coming up in a second. Let's

28:18

get into our conversation with

28:21

Grant McCasland, head basketball

28:23

coach at Texas Tech. You

28:26

know, I oddly like

28:29

all Texas Tech teams.

28:33

There's no reason for me to dislike them,

28:35

but I think I like Texas Tech because

28:38

I'm an Arkansas fan. Now that doesn't

28:40

mean all Arkansas fans like Texas

28:42

Tech specifically, but Texas

28:45

Tech is like the school that's kind of got a grind in that state,

28:47

meaning you got Ut, you

28:50

got Texas A and m Man, you got

28:52

a lot of big Texas schools, and I feel like Texas Tech

28:54

is like not so much in

28:56

the shadow, but like they're always like

28:59

I gotta punch at stra hard for people to pay attention,

29:01

and that's what I feel like we have to do at Arkansas.

29:04

So like I generally have a positive feeling

29:06

towards Texas Tech athletics for

29:08

that reason. Love football

29:11

coach, loved this

29:13

basketball coach. I mean Grant McCaslin. He

29:15

has been a winner before taking over in Lubbock. He

29:17

led North Texas to an NIT championship

29:19

at twenty twenty three and their first

29:22

ever NCUBA Tournament win. Massive

29:24

deal in North Texas through ten seasons

29:26

as an NCAA head coach, mccastlin's

29:29

now two hundred and thirty four and

29:31

one hundred, and he's won seventy

29:33

eight and eighty eight at the Division one level.

29:36

I mean, just some fun facts. The twenty

29:38

twenty Conference USA Coach of the Year, three

29:40

straight Conference USA championships,

29:43

over seven hundred career winning percentage.

29:46

I could go on and on. This year, Texas Tech kind of rocking.

29:48

Twenty one and seven. Right now, they're third

29:51

in the Big twelve. They're playing Kansas

29:53

on Saturday. Then they finished with Colorado

29:55

and at Arizona State. Lenardi

29:57

has at a two,

30:00

like a bottom two or an early three right

30:02

now in the bracket. But I

30:04

love this dude. I liked them

30:07

until we talked with them, and then I'm

30:09

like, I'm in I'm in here. He is

30:12

my new friend. Coach Grant mccaslan.

30:15

Hey, coach, that's a pretty sick hoodie you have on.

30:17

By the way, that's

30:19

a good one.

30:20

You want one, Yeah, I'll send you one.

30:22

Oh, he's a shameless coach.

30:23

No, No, that Melbourne.

30:25

When you got a little best you got a little.

30:27

Got a little Malbourne card again. You play golf

30:29

too? What's going on? Coach man?

30:32

I'll hit I'll hit a ball in the woods.

30:34

Yeah, So okay, that's funny. What do

30:36

you get to do during basketball season? I'm sure

30:38

it's all basketball all the time.

30:40

Do you have time to read books?

30:42

Like? What in the world can you do during basketball

30:45

season?

30:45

Man, good question. I do a lot of things with

30:47

my family.

30:48

I got I got four kids, so I

30:50

got two boys to play hoops, soda rock

30:53

climbs, and we we have

30:55

a simulator at the Alice. We built a basketball

30:57

bar and it's got two big a ball courts, a climbing

31:00

all, and a little golf sem area.

31:02

So we turned it loose at night every

31:04

once in a while in between some film sessions.

31:06

Are you a little family?

31:08

Got a little My wife played soccer here at Tech, so

31:10

we'll play a little pick a ball.

31:11

That's what I was gonna ask. If you're you're a

31:13

pickle ball player.

31:14

We have a court.

31:15

We just built a court here at the house. And this

31:17

guy from Ohio I posted a video coach

31:19

on Twitter. It was just me hitting the ball. I got metaglasses,

31:21

so like I was just literally recording

31:24

game tape, like right, I like to watch see how

31:26

I'm improving. And so some

31:28

guy like trolled me on Twitter and was like you suck

31:30

and I was like, I'll play you for a thousand bucks. Never didn't even

31:32

know who he was, and he was like, I'm in So

31:34

now I got a flight Ohio and play some dude I never

31:36

met. He was a four year D one athlete for a thousand

31:39

dollars in pickleball. So but I got

31:41

like a weird competitive like insecurity,

31:43

like growing up? How competitive were you? Where

31:45

did that come from?

31:47

Oh?

31:47

I'm a mess as a competitor. You

31:50

know that you do these personality tests and

31:52

I don't even know which one it was.

31:54

But you have to rank like your four.

31:57

It comes back after you get done to answering

31:59

all these questions.

32:00

It gives you, like.

32:01

Your four main characteristics.

32:03

And my number one was competitive and

32:06

number two is like belief and I'm

32:08

telling you it's awesome and everything.

32:09

But marriage, Oh, you're

32:12

so right. And I've only been married losing

32:14

marriage, yes, like three years, so I'm pretty new to being

32:16

married. But you are speaking the gospel like

32:18

it's like the young Gospel to me right now, where I'm just

32:20

learning that that's true, that it's not always

32:23

about winning. At times you can

32:25

lose but still strategically win,

32:27

which is probably not the best thing. But

32:30

you're talking my language now.

32:32

No. The the true is

32:35

the only way to really win in marriage is

32:37

to lose.

32:37

That's it, there is like, that is the

32:40

end. No, don't even try to even say you can

32:42

win some and still win.

32:43

No, it's zero.

32:44

It's you lose, then you win. I'm

32:46

curious basketball wise, coach, because you're

32:50

a defensive genius. I feel

32:52

just looking at as

32:54

you've risen through the ranks of look at how good your defensive

32:57

squads are. Is there the

32:59

option to be great at both?

33:02

Like, because again, you're a defensive guy. Your team is

33:04

built and I could be wrong, but I feel like you are

33:06

Let's play defense hard and then the offense will

33:08

happen. But is it possible

33:10

to specialize in both at the same time?

33:12

Yeah, definitely. You know.

33:14

The truth is as a

33:16

young coach, when I was twenty

33:20

six years old and got the opportunity

33:22

to be a junior college head coach, we

33:25

were in a conference with

33:27

Mark Adams, who was the previous head coach at

33:29

Texas Tech, who's a dear friend of mine, and

33:32

in the rankings of all

33:35

the past twenty five years of defenses

33:38

that Texas Tech team in twenty nineteen

33:40

here is statistically

33:43

the best defensive team ever in the

33:45

last twenty five years of college basketball. So, but

33:48

he was actually the head coach at Howard

33:50

College when I was twenty six, and the head coach at Midland

33:52

College, so I coached against it.

33:53

One game we had fourteen points at

33:55

the half.

33:56

Playing against his defense.

33:58

So honestly, my mind thinks, but

34:00

I've I learned from him that you better be

34:02

great defensively if you want to win. So we want

34:04

a junior college national championship. The

34:07

first time, we scored over ninety points and averaged

34:09

over eighty points.

34:10

So honestly, my mind thinks offense.

34:12

But I'm such a competitor and I want to win

34:14

that I've focused on the defensive

34:16

part of it because I think that's something that's more

34:19

controllable in the environment

34:21

of winning a game.

34:23

Coach, how how upset do

34:25

you get when your players miss free throws? Because I know as

34:27

a viewer I hate it.

34:28

Yeah, well, I don't get upset at all. Actually I

34:30

don't care.

34:31

Yeah, right, Let's where that's where fans are

34:33

different than coaches, because you don't

34:35

really care. That's an effort thing that you want to have

34:37

a guy miss try to let him squeeze that basketball

34:40

really tight, and worried about what you think too.

34:42

I mean, it's just I think there's a I think

34:44

there's a balance to it. But it is funny because last

34:47

year at Texas Tech, we had the best

34:49

free throw percentage in the history of the school.

34:51

Okay, And I didn't talk to our guys

34:53

about free throws one time.

34:55

You know what I did.

34:56

I recruited really good shooters so

34:58

they could make it when it mattered. And honestly,

35:01

there is a repetition and I do think there's

35:04

some skill obviously involved in it. But when

35:06

you get to college, man, if you mess

35:08

with somebody shots, that's a

35:10

personal thing for them and it's

35:12

a difficult thing to change. And

35:16

you know, it is funny because I

35:18

do think it's more about confidence and repetition

35:20

and feeling like you can step up there.

35:22

But man, do people get mad at free throws?

35:25

I mean, they're free

35:27

why don't you make them? You know, I'm like, well,

35:30

because there's fifteen thousand people in here yelling

35:32

and everybody's watching them.

35:33

It's not the same. Now.

35:34

I was watching Arkansas on Texas

35:36

last night. I hate Texas with all my heart,

35:38

Like I wish Texas would fall in a whole coach

35:41

and I'm an Arkansas guy. But we

35:43

were missing. We were missing free throws like we always

35:45

miss free throws. But I never thought that you

35:47

should just recruit good free throw shooters

35:49

more so than spend twenty minutes into practice shooting

35:51

free throws.

35:52

Well you know this, Like there are some repetition

35:55

things that I do think make it more repeatable,

35:57

which are when you get under pressure, make it simpler

36:00

for a person to control

36:02

the variables. I mean, the less movement the

36:04

better in regards to efficiency. But

36:07

I do think it's way more like

36:10

mental than it is physical in a lot

36:12

of ways. And the repetition of

36:14

guys that have always seen them go in all

36:16

their lives, there is something to

36:18

that that gives them a different level

36:20

of confidence when they step up to the free throw line.

36:22

And now I've coached guys where it's gone

36:24

the other way too, where they went from being like seventy

36:27

to like really bad. And what they did is they tried

36:29

to go in and obsess over some detail

36:31

to fix and their free throw shot and lost

36:33

the connection to the confidence

36:35

and flow of like being in the moment and

36:38

being confident. It's a

36:41

wild battle, and when it goes downhill,

36:43

I mean, it's like a lot of things in golf

36:45

for other things that are repetitive in nature,

36:47

and can it can get

36:49

worse. But that's where I don't even

36:52

We put guys in routines and we allow

36:54

them the space to make improvements

36:57

specifically, but man, I don't mess with that.

36:59

How much do you put into like Lonardi

37:01

putting you guys in certain places right now? Two seed?

37:03

I think I just saw, oh nothing.

37:05

I mean, I don't mean that in disrespect to the people

37:07

that make those decisions, but you and I both know. I

37:10

mean, we've got three conference games and then plus

37:12

the conference tournament, and man, so many

37:14

things change and the uncontrollables.

37:18

I'm out of that game.

37:19

When I was a junior college coach at twenty seven,

37:22

our second season, we

37:25

had a path to maybe win the tournament.

37:27

So I went through and like said, like, if we.

37:29

Win this game, then we can be a two

37:31

seed in the tournament if we win these three games. And what

37:33

happens if we win these four And I spent all this time

37:35

doing all this math, and then you get

37:37

to the end of the season, Like, I realized every

37:39

second that I spent trying to figure out where they

37:41

had us was two or three seconds

37:44

that I could have invested in a relationship

37:46

with someone that actually would have made an impact on

37:48

winning. And so man, I just flipped

37:50

this whole thing in my brain of like, anytime

37:53

there's a where do someone

37:56

or what do I think could happen?

37:58

I just like, well, let's invent and what

38:00

actually does happen, which is people

38:03

and relationships and their

38:06

impact on what we're doing

38:08

as a team. And it's changed

38:11

my perspective and of

38:14

all of the thought process in

38:16

regard to where they put people in the NCAA

38:18

tournament and projections.

38:20

With this part of the year, where's

38:22

the balance in keeping players healthy and

38:25

fresh and also keeping them in rhythm?

38:26

Yeah, you know, I and my experience,

38:29

what we do right now is we

38:31

push the throttle down at the beginning of practice

38:34

and we'll start with a super competitive

38:36

segment of like pressing, because

38:38

you get to the end of games and that's what really matters.

38:40

And we try to like rev it all the way up and

38:43

get a transition drill going

38:45

and then make it real competitive at the beginning

38:47

of practice and then we taper it off

38:50

and then at the end is like mentally,

38:52

how do you execute? But nothing

38:54

competitive because what we found is guys

38:57

get hurt, you know, kind of more when they get fatigued

38:59

at the end of than they do at the beginning.

39:01

So I still think you got a

39:03

practice.

39:04

And if you asked me one thing that I talked to

39:06

all my buddies coaching, like Scott Drew and

39:09

you know, Tommy Lloyd at Arizona and Ben

39:11

McCollum at Drake and Ross Hodge

39:13

at North Texas and Scott you know, just

39:16

we all talk about like how do you make it competitive

39:18

but you don't want to get anybody hurt.

39:19

But I do think there's a.

39:21

Way to rev it all the way up where

39:23

you still get that competitiveness

39:26

and you can still put the throttle all the way down and

39:28

get what you need but not not

39:30

put anybody in harms away.

39:32

Are there any heat check rules where if somebody's

39:34

on coaching, there two, three, four in a row

39:36

where it's like understood taking

39:39

another one, Like, are there any heat check rules at

39:41

all?

39:41

Oh? I mean, if you say rules,

39:43

there's like heat check for me.

39:46

I just love it when guys feel like Chance

39:48

McMillan made one the other day

39:50

at home where he shot it and turned

39:53

around and went the other

39:55

way, and honestly, like, would

39:57

I prefer him to not do that on

39:59

all shots? Yes, but when you

40:02

are playing with a different level of confidence,

40:05

that means we're playing at our best.

40:08

And so, man, we

40:10

love shooting threes. We shot thirty the other

40:12

day and didn't make many of them. But I

40:14

do think that there's a confidence level that

40:17

your players have to play with on that side

40:19

where once you get rolling, let's.

40:22

Let it rip.

40:23

Coach, what's your relationship with referees?

40:25

Like, sometimes it's very

40:28

you know, will you explain that call to me?

40:30

And then sometimes it's like what are you thinking?

40:32

Do you know all these guys right? So what's your

40:35

relationship with them?

40:36

Man, I'll tell you what I pray often, but I

40:38

pray mostly about my relationships with

40:40

refs and my wife.

40:45

I mean, I don't know how to explain it, but it's

40:48

this wild part of the game that

40:51

you know that the outcome

40:54

isn't supposed to matter to them, but

40:57

they impact the outcome so significantly

40:59

by the flow and feel of it. And

41:02

I'm confrontational in nature,

41:04

so I don't mind the confrontation of

41:06

communicating with him, but I

41:08

don't think it's helpful. I got to

41:10

be honest, I end up airing on the side, and

41:12

you get to the end that I wish

41:14

I would have said less.

41:16

And so in my.

41:19

Areas of improvement, that usually ends

41:21

up being one of the more significant ones

41:23

is how do you communicate in

41:25

a way that's respectful

41:28

but doesn't imply

41:30

that they're not doing a great job

41:33

honestly, And so I found

41:35

more of that to be helpful.

41:36

But I can't always do that in the

41:38

moment.

41:39

What if, like your counterpart is going to

41:41

town on a ref, do you feel like you got to step

41:43

it up and meet him with that energy? Though

41:45

so he doesn't like rule the refs.

41:47

You know, there's two parts that because you know you can look

41:49

at those refs and go like, if this guy says one

41:51

more thing, it's going to get significantly

41:54

worse for him, and you know the difference between

41:56

that, and then when you look at

41:58

the guy and he seems fras by what's

42:00

being said by

42:03

the other coach, and then you know like,

42:05

well you better, you better get a little

42:07

part of this so that he

42:09

doesn't just get

42:12

in a place where he's making

42:14

calls that don't necessarily help. So

42:16

I do think there's some nuance maybe to that,

42:19

but for the most part, the

42:21

interactions in regards to

42:23

that. You

42:26

know, the difference between somebody that

42:28

complains a lot in our league and these

42:30

referees talk and they do know going

42:32

into each game, like there's something different

42:35

about someone that shows

42:37

constant respect and asks questions

42:39

and does want to understand

42:41

that refs make mistakes too. And I do think

42:44

that there's a part of that that there's

42:46

a sincerity there that most of the guys

42:48

that I work with, they're they're they're awesome,

42:50

And I do think that there. It's

42:52

a difficult job and

42:55

and most when I look back on

42:57

film, some of the calls that I complain about,

42:59

now we have them on the bench.

43:01

We used to not have this.

43:02

Literally, we have access to every call every

43:04

second when we watch it. We can we can pull

43:06

it up in time out and queue everything, and I can

43:08

watch it, and I watch most plays at

43:11

halftime of the game, so

43:13

I have.

43:13

A better perspective.

43:15

But I used to look back on it and go, man, I thought for sure

43:17

that was a foul, and it wasn't one. So I think given

43:19

the benefit of the doubt over the course of the game

43:22

and trying to be somebody that's man

43:24

just in a real way, trying to understand

43:27

what the game is really being called like and

43:29

trying to do your best to adapt is

43:32

the best way to do it.

43:33

Is there peaking too early?

43:35

And where do you guys feel like you are in the peaking

43:38

scale?

43:38

Yes, there is in regards

43:41

to I think a fatigue

43:43

of your team when you

43:47

kind of know all your weaknesses and those

43:49

have been magnified, and I think that's

43:51

when your team takes that dive.

43:54

And I think as a coach, our

43:56

hope is to find this real gratitude

43:58

and belief in each other where you

44:01

can concentrate. I'll give you an example, like you

44:03

can watch film with the team and you can show

44:06

them all fifteen turnovers

44:08

of what happened, and you can magnify

44:10

those things. And I think at the end of the season,

44:13

how you really peek as you start showing

44:15

only the plays that you know that one

44:18

that can be catastrophic in nature and that

44:20

your team is repeating. You show

44:22

those, but really you try to show all the things

44:24

that you want your team to

44:26

do and those guys that honestly get encouraged

44:29

that way.

44:29

It shows them more as highlighted

44:31

and.

44:32

People want to do what you want

44:34

them to do more than you telling them what

44:36

not to do.

44:36

And I think the season's long for everybody.

44:38

So when you get to the end of the year, those people have been told

44:41

like, don't do that, don't do that, You're.

44:42

Messing this up.

44:44

You can see, you can see

44:46

the decline and it wears

44:48

on everybody because it is a long season. You're around

44:50

each other all the time, and there are all these pressure moments

44:53

and all you want to do is tell them what you

44:55

don't like about them, because that's the easiest thing

44:57

to identify. But to me, the way you

44:59

get your team to pee at the end as you really get

45:01

them to believe what your best at

45:03

as a team, and then they take away, man,

45:05

this is what I can do, even if it's a role, and

45:07

people don't like saying that word, but if it's

45:09

a role that they can be great at, then they know this

45:12

is where they're at their best to make the team the best.

45:14

And I will tell you that our team's starting to

45:16

really believe what we can do the best Really the key

45:18

is just how healthy can you be? And that's

45:20

probably the greatest determining factor of whether

45:23

you go into these tournaments, you know,

45:25

peaking is whether you're healthy. So

45:27

that's one aspect, But I think the other aspect

45:29

is like the real belief in each other and

45:31

what you do well and everybody basically

45:34

like pouring into what those things that

45:36

make your team great.

45:37

Coach, I was watching your game against Houston

45:39

and I noticed that Patrick Mahomes and

45:42

his wife were there. What is

45:44

that cool for your team to see Patrick

45:47

and his wife like sitting right next to you, guys, and even

45:50

coaching a little bit too, him yelling and standing

45:52

up and getting into the game.

45:55

Oh, it was.

45:57

Epic. It was awesome.

45:59

And I got a phone call from Dusty

46:01

Womble, who's a regent, and I'm

46:03

telling you, he's like one of the greatest guys

46:06

I know, not just people that

46:08

support Red Raider basketball and football,

46:10

but his name's on our practice

46:13

facility. He's just one of the greatest husbands

46:15

and dads that I know. He's awesome. So

46:17

he calls me and he's got the seats, those Hollywood

46:19

seats, and he's got the seats across from the bench

46:21

too, four on the floor and he's like, where

46:23

do you think we should sit my

46:26

homes And I was like, wherever he wants

46:28

to sit.

46:28

If you want to sit by the bench, it's great.

46:30

So he comes and sits by the bench, and honestly,

46:32

I don't interact with him a ton, but he's an unbelievable

46:35

supporter of our university, in our athletic department,

46:38

and we got.

46:39

All these players that he's supporting. It's really unbelievable.

46:42

Well, I meet him face

46:44

to face in the locker room before we go out, and he was

46:46

really complimentary. Then we go sit on the

46:48

floor and I introduced myself

46:50

to Brittany for the first time and I'm

46:52

like, you guys, let it rip over here, have a

46:54

good time. She said, so, you mean I can say anything

46:57

to the refs And Patrick's.

46:58

Like, don't tell her that because you may

47:01

get it.

47:01

I was like, as long as you sit in these chairs, you

47:03

can, but if you move over and get in my four

47:05

chairs, then you probably shouldn't say anything to

47:07

them. But no, they were honestly, their

47:10

energy and their belief and what we're doing is

47:12

just a separator for us and it was a blast.

47:14

They were awesome.

47:15

I had two final questions for you, coach, tournament

47:18

expansion, your thoughts.

47:21

Honestly, that's kind of goes in the category

47:23

of what we talked about earlier, of like, you

47:25

know what seed are we I just don't have any control

47:27

over it, and I like the tournament the way it is.

47:30

I mean, you know, sixty four to sixty

47:32

eight. I know there's a lot of reasons for it to be

47:34

different. I'm not smart enough to figure it out. I'm

47:37

barely smart enough to call

47:39

time out at the right time and not run into Patrick

47:41

Mahomes and a timeout, you know.

47:43

I mean, it's something probably

47:45

out of my pay grade.

47:46

Okay, I'm not going to count that as a question then, since you didn't

47:48

have really an answer and you acted like you're done when

47:50

you're obviously brilliant. But okay, I hear you. I hear you,

47:53

coach. Okay, here, let me

47:55

switch it up.

47:55

Then.

47:56

Is there a movie or like a scene from a

47:58

movie that you show your players every year?

48:01

Ooh, yes, there is.

48:03

There is Shawshank

48:05

Redemption which part Climbs

48:07

of the Poop. Yes, yeah,

48:09

really, yes, that's the season. That's

48:12

the season. So it's like you find

48:14

a way to break through and you finally get an opportunity

48:17

and then you got to go sluedge through all this and I

48:19

and I actually reference it during games quite

48:21

often because let's just say, you've missed eight

48:24

shots in a row, and you know, you feel

48:26

this like desperation, like you never

48:28

know where the end of the tunnel really is and you don't

48:30

really know exactly what you're gonna have to go through till

48:32

you get through it. And so it's just this mental imagery

48:35

of the freedom that you have that

48:37

you don't know when it's going to break through for you,

48:39

but it's worth it when you finally get there,

48:41

and and uh yeah, it's

48:44

uh that's the that's.

48:45

The one final question for you. It's a

48:47

family question. High profile job.

48:49

Your wife went to school there. I

48:52

have other friends that are head coaches,

48:54

football, basketball, different universities, and there's a

48:56

dynamic. When things are going great, you're

48:58

the hero. When things eventually

49:01

don't go great for a short amount of time or a long amount

49:03

of time, you're not the hero, but you're very

49:05

public and your family has to take

49:07

the good and the bad. Is that a conversation

49:10

you've had with your family at all, going, Hey, it's not

49:12

always going to be awesome, but it's not real when it's

49:14

not, Oh.

49:16

No question.

49:17

I mean this is honestly, man, my

49:21

faith, my relationship with the Lord is the

49:24

only thing that really is important. And I

49:26

think in that my relationship

49:28

with my wife is What's that? That's

49:31

everything. I mean, CC's

49:34

she was an unbelievable competitor. She's

49:36

beautiful, she's freaking so cool.

49:38

She's a blast.

49:39

But when we were losing at North Texas

49:42

one year we lost seven of our last eight games, she

49:44

like wouldn't talk to me after games. She's

49:47

so mad at me, but not mad at me, but just

49:49

mad at like why is this happening?

49:51

And why can't we fix it? But as a competitor,

49:54

when you're the wife, you can't really go.

49:55

Coach a game.

49:57

And like, and then I've got two sons

49:59

that play go four kids, my daughter,

50:01

they all play point guard, they all play basketball,

50:03

They rock climb, they're like super competitive

50:06

and they just love this. But I think the thing

50:09

that you and I both know is like, if there's

50:11

anything I want them to know is that I love

50:13

them no matter what, Like there's a real grace

50:15

to this, and there's a real humility

50:18

in knowing that when everybody

50:21

is shaming you that or

50:23

whatever the case may be making fun of

50:25

you or there's some difficulty in

50:27

that, like that there's a love there

50:30

that is consistent no matter

50:32

what you perform. And

50:35

honestly, like I hope my wife and I's marriage

50:38

in the way that we interact with each other, teaches

50:41

them that, like, how

50:43

do we love each other in a way that isn't

50:46

connected to how good you are

50:48

at something? And I do think that that's

50:50

the foundation of being great. And

50:52

so when you say that, I just think it's how

50:55

you live your life every day where you

50:57

love your kids and you help

50:59

them in ways that aren't tied

51:01

to their performance.

51:02

And I think that's the key to all this.

51:04

And I think that's the key to our team, and I

51:06

think that's the key to life, and that.

51:08

How do you love people?

51:09

So after we play these awesome games,

51:12

and we play really good, I tell our guys to pull

51:14

out their phones and scroll

51:17

and see five hundred text messages. And then when

51:19

we lose a game that we're not supposed to lose,

51:21

go pull out your text message and there's two text

51:23

messages most of the time, and one of them's from their

51:26

mom. You know, It's like, these

51:28

are the people that, honestly, unfortunately

51:30

in this deal, are going to be connected to you no

51:33

matter what, and those are the people that you need

51:35

to call and think first when we win and do great

51:37

things. And that's kind of how we try

51:39

to mirror this all as how

51:42

being a part of a team relates to your family, which

51:44

relates to your question in regard to how you

51:46

handle all this.

51:47

I mean, I'd climb a poopy tunnel

51:50

for you. Coach, you got me. I'm ready to climb to

51:52

a tunnel of poop whatever you need me to do. Yes, sir,

51:55

I'm rooting for you. Guys. I don't

51:57

say I rarely say any other team stuff, but you

51:59

know, Big twelve, let's go, that's

52:01

what I say. Wrackham, Yeah, yeah,

52:05

beat the crap out of Kansas, win the tournament. Let's

52:07

get a good seat. Hope you're near me. I'll come watch, but

52:09

not far. I'm not gonna travel far, but if you're near me

52:12

regionally, I'll come watch. Coach. Thank

52:14

you so much, good luck the rest of the season, and

52:16

we really appreciate the time.

52:18

This is awesome. I hope you win the thousand dollars in the

52:20

picture.

52:20

Yeah, me too, Yes, sir, thank

52:22

you coach. Right, see,

52:25

y'all, thank you guys for listening. We're

52:28

back next week. It

52:31

looks like at some point next week, I think we're gonna

52:33

get Dama stodom Ireon, who's

52:35

the head coach at Georgia Tech. But also

52:38

like crazy good NBA career, so

52:41

that'd be fun. Also more

52:43

analysis from Eddie Betting college basketball.

52:45

Yeah, a lot of good stuff.

52:46

When he's like, listen to the story, man, and then they only lost

52:48

by four and I won.

52:50

Man, I'm close to getting one of those

52:52

twelve game parlays.

52:55

What's close?

52:55

Eight? No, I've gotten

52:58

like eleven before. Yeah, I've

53:00

gotten really close. But but what's crazy,

53:02

that's when you look at it later. It's usually the first game

53:04

I lose. The first game, I'm like, oh, that's stupid. But then

53:06

you look back and I hit every game after

53:08

that, that sucks.

53:10

And because you never pay attention to go back and look once

53:12

you've already lost, you don't even know.

53:14

It's usually like a Sunday night, when I'm not doing

53:16

anything, I'm like, let's see how my Weekway and gambling. I

53:18

almost hit that it's crazy.

53:20

That's funny. Uh So there's another

53:22

thing too, if you want to really feel dumb, you

53:24

can go over to our episode of Lots

53:27

to say. It's Matt Castle and myself and

53:30

it's on me because I had Matt

53:33

try to teach us quarterback terminology

53:36

and he thought he was really dumbing it down for us.

53:39

And I'm telling you, about halfway through,

53:41

I looked at Kevin, and Reid doesn't

53:43

know much about sports, so it's fine. But I looked at Kevin. Kevin

53:45

looked at me and we're like, dude, you get We got to

53:48

walk back about three steps and he's like, oh

53:50

really, He's like, but z flair, Oh

53:52

god, And he thought he was breaking it because I wanted to

53:54

know, like teach

53:56

us from the beginning so we can have this one thing to know if

53:58

we're like talking with friends and we're like, yeah, but zero

54:00

slot z flare Yeah, And

54:02

he was like, ah, maybe this is why I don't coach, but I don't

54:04

know how to yeah, simplify it, yes,

54:06

And he'd be like, what you wanna do is we're gonna make sure your

54:09

boss gets and the

54:11

weak side boss was one of

54:13

the terms. Yeah, because the boss was basically

54:16

the full back. It was the back on the strong

54:18

safety. Holy crap, there

54:20

you go. So if they're running a boss, it's the back

54:22

to get to the strong safety. But it's inside of like seventy

54:24

two other words. I

54:27

do feel good though about what we learned

54:29

about personnel. When they say thirteen

54:32

personnel.

54:32

Yeah, because they talk about that a lot on the broadcast.

54:35

Too, and so you can listen to that. But thirteen personnel's one runner

54:37

back, three tight ends or but he goes into all

54:39

that. But there was one point we gave up and we're

54:41

like, dude, we can't do this anymore.

54:43

Do this with your quarterback friends.

54:44

Yes, well it was my fault because I suggested. I

54:46

was like, make us Marner. But go listen

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to that. Lots to say thank

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you for listening to twenty five whistles and we will see you guys

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next week. Bye, buddy, I.

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Want it, thank

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you, thank you.

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Theme song written by Bobby Bones

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That's Me, performed by Brandon

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Ray. Follow Brandon on socials

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at Brandon Ray Music. You can

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follow the show on Instagram at Bobby Bone

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Sports. Thanks to our crew co

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host at producer Reddy, Segment

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producer at Kickoff Kevin Video,

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producer at Redrberry, and

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executive producer at Mike Diestro.

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But most importantly, thank you for listening.

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I'm Bobby Bones. We'll talk to you next time

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here on twenty five whistles