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Well, I

3:35

watched What I thought was like gonna

3:37

be the whole Aaron Rodgers interview and then he

3:39

just went on and on and I just clicked

3:41

it off and did something else It looks

3:43

like Aaron Rodgers is

3:45

Still unsure and to me the

3:47

funniest thing that happened today

3:49

by far was when he

3:52

told McAfee, he's like, you know, I'm

3:54

willing to play for 10 M's. Like what?

3:56

What did he just say? And then Pat

3:58

was like, you're willing to play for 10 million.

4:00

But the way he just nonchalantly, and

4:02

it shows you, I mean, this is

4:04

a guy who's made hundreds of millions

4:06

of dollars to 90, to even rich

4:08

people like, well, you're to make 10

4:10

million dollars. And it is a huge

4:12

pay cut for him. But how he

4:15

threw that out there. is I audibly

4:17

laughed. I was actually watching it on

4:19

the Stairmaster because it was like, hey,

4:21

I'm going in and out. You want

4:23

something? You're like, yeah, get me two

4:25

cheeseburgers. He's like, yeah, I'll just play

4:27

for 10 M's. But while very

4:30

funny, I do think

4:32

like, listen, I give him credit. You

4:35

know, now I'm not acting like even if

4:37

he was dead set on playing and was

4:39

really like, was already willing to show up

4:41

because he didn't have off the field stuff

4:43

going on. It's not like he was going

4:45

to get 40, 50 million dollars, but like

4:47

coming into it like I don't need that

4:49

much money to play. We just saw

4:52

Russell Wilson get what? 10 .5

4:54

million dollars guaranteed. And

4:56

we know Russell Wilson isn't nearly as good

4:58

as Aaron Rodgers. Now both aren't nearly as

5:00

good as they once were. But listen,

5:02

I give the guy credit for

5:04

it's pretty clear that if he does play,

5:06

this is going to be his last year. And

5:09

he's making it pretty easy on the

5:11

teams that are somewhat interested in him.

5:13

Pretty funny story about how he rented

5:15

some. Again, shitty car

5:17

for him. Chevy Malibu. No

5:20

hate to anyone out there driving Chevy

5:22

Malibus. I drive a Chevy, so

5:24

pro Chevy's here. But how

5:26

he tried to go in

5:28

to the Pittsburgh Steelers, very under

5:30

the radar, and clearly someone

5:33

in that building tipped, quote unquote,

5:35

the press. But who

5:37

knows? I left the portion of the

5:39

interview that I watched. thinking it's

5:41

not guaranteed that he plays. And

5:44

I think we're at the point where we're either

5:46

getting one more Aaron Rodgers season, right?

5:48

He ends up playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think

5:50

the New York Giants are clearly not happening. And

5:53

Minnesota is kind of the curveball.

5:55

If they go back to him, you

5:57

know, after OTA, he's not being

5:59

confident with with MacArthur with JJ

6:01

McCarthy, or he just never

6:03

plays again. You know, he just

6:05

never plays again. The big

6:07

headline that's going viral is the

6:09

Aaron Glenn. Aaron,

6:11

I think, dramatized. Now, in his

6:13

point of view, Aaron Rodgers

6:15

has never been fired. Aaron

6:18

Rodgers has never been fired. In

6:20

a business where everyone gets

6:22

fired. Beside a tiny,

6:24

tiny percentage of players that

6:27

just retire on their own,

6:29

but literally everyone else in

6:31

his world, coaches and players, get

6:34

fired. And I

6:36

think he has never had that

6:38

happen. Like the amount of players

6:40

who have been called into the

6:42

GM or head coach's office, whether

6:44

it's a new head coach, whether

6:46

it's a head coach that you've

6:48

been playing for and been told

6:51

your services are no longer needed

6:53

or going in a different direction,

6:55

is the overwhelming majority of the

6:57

league. I would say just about every

6:59

coach in the league. Has been

7:01

directly or indirectly fired working for a

7:03

staff maybe the head coach was fired

7:05

and they get fired because of it

7:07

But it happens all the time in

7:09

football and for Aaron who has lived

7:11

a pretty good life Like when you've been

7:13

flying, you know in first class for

7:15

20 years and all of a sudden

7:17

you're at the back of Spirit Airlines

7:19

It's like it would rattle any human

7:21

being right so when he gets called

7:23

into the office and Did it happen

7:25

smoothly? Who knows is it ever easy

7:27

to tell someone like you're done? And

7:30

I know he was offended that they didn't

7:32

pick his brain about everything. I

7:35

just think once you're told

7:37

like you're done, that just

7:39

rattles the situation, especially to

7:41

new, new first time head

7:43

coach. It's going to

7:45

be awkward, you know, like welcome to

7:47

the club, Aaron. People get fired

7:49

in the NFL and it took 20

7:51

plus years for this guy's career for

7:53

it to happen. So it's a

7:55

testament to how good he's been. But

7:57

it ends. you know with the

7:59

jets and listen because it's

8:01

the jets it's easy for him to take

8:04

shots and you know kind of flame it

8:06

on the way out and you know he's

8:08

probably you know telling the truth it would

8:10

have been a lot more difficult for him

8:12

to you know it's like when he tried

8:14

to give his side of the story and

8:16

one thing i would push back on erin

8:19

loves playing like uh you know i don't

8:21

know what's going on If it

8:23

wasn't for my sister and my cousin

8:25

and that other dude in my inner

8:27

circle, I wouldn't know anything. I

8:29

wouldn't know nothing. It's like,

8:31

Aaron, I mean, let's, we're all born

8:33

at night. We weren't born last

8:35

night. Like, come on, buddy.

8:37

Let's, let's, to act like you

8:39

don't have somewhat of a feel for

8:41

what's being said about you is,

8:43

to me, a little disingenuous at this

8:45

point in time. And

8:48

then he, you know, he loves going on these

8:50

like, long drawn out just

8:52

and I get it like listen

8:54

you I have Vandettas and If

8:56

I was him and bunch of

8:58

people talking shit about you I

9:00

get it But he loves playing

9:03

that if it wasn't for someone

9:05

shooting him over the information He

9:07

would have no clue it would

9:09

just exist somewhere on the internet

9:11

and he'd be living his life

9:13

with his dog Apollo, but 10

9:15

m's man. He's willing to play

9:17

for 10 m's John Harbaugh

9:20

I gotta give John Harbaugh credit. He

9:22

said something that I have to agree

9:24

with. And he said that he didn't

9:26

think there were enough hours in the

9:28

day to play both ways in the NFL. And

9:31

I think, listen, we're

9:33

all in agreement. What Travis Hunter

9:35

accomplished last year is unprecedented. I

9:37

mean, it's remarkable. It's

9:40

a very

9:42

deserving Heisman candidate. It

9:45

was badass. You know, tip

9:47

my hat. You're a badass, bro. That

9:49

was sick But to think

9:51

that you're gonna be able to do

9:54

it in the NFL and I hate just

9:56

naturally taking like you can't do this

9:58

I hate that mindset right of just like

10:00

you can't because I think you can get

10:02

into very uh I think negative people

10:04

tend to have that but I also think

10:06

sometimes in life you got to be

10:08

realistic Right and go yeah, I think

10:10

this is borderline impossible To like be a

10:12

full -time player on both sides of the ball

10:14

and what hardball was saying is like defense You know

10:17

and he's a defensive guy My

10:20

take has simply been the amount

10:22

of talent at wide receiver

10:24

in the NFL is has never been

10:26

higher in terms of team by team So

10:28

just look at his own division. He's

10:31

got DK Metcalf Assuming let's say

10:33

the Browns take him. It's like

10:35

well, we're playing the Bengals week

10:37

one and the Steelers week two

10:40

It's like who you got. He's like well

10:42

this week you got Jamar Chase and

10:44

T Higgins Then you got assuming

10:46

he tries George Pickens and DK

10:48

Metcalf Godspeed

10:51

like it's

10:53

This isn't the big

10:55

12 as Dan Hawkins said welcome

10:57

to the big 12 brother and I

11:00

think To

11:02

be able to do that and what

11:04

some guys have done in the past

11:06

of just going on to play wide

11:08

receiver and running the occasional go route

11:10

is a lot different than playing 40

11:12

50 snaps also on offense and running

11:14

routes constantly blocking constantly Uh, running

11:16

routes that are basically decoy. So

11:18

it just means you're flying down the

11:21

field. I think it's

11:23

borderline impossible. And I don't

11:25

even think it's from a mental standpoint. Obviously

11:27

it would be a lot from a physical

11:29

standpoint at that level. I

11:32

would say this in a weird way. And listen,

11:34

I don't blame him. He's so young. It's not

11:36

like he's ever played in the NFL. But

11:39

for anyone that says like, no, not only can he

11:41

do it, he should do it and he'll be

11:43

good at it. To me

11:45

that's kind of like

11:47

Almost offensive to the guys the

11:49

highest level in the NFL Like if

11:51

I was Jamar Chase or I was

11:53

DK Metcalf. It's like wait You think you

11:56

can split practice reps and fucking cover

11:58

me? Right if

12:00

I'm Patrick Sertan or whoever on

12:02

defense. It's like wait You think you've been

12:04

screwing around on defense and now you're

12:06

gonna get open on me. Do you

12:08

know this is all I do? Like

12:10

I got 80 million in the bank I

12:13

got three Pro Bowls. I was second

12:15

in the defensive player of the

12:17

year. I got seven Range Rovers, two

12:19

homes because this is what I do. And

12:22

I think you got to be very careful about

12:24

just thinking these things are as easy as

12:26

what just happened. I would

12:29

put more, you

12:31

know, more behind it

12:33

if he would just have done

12:35

that in the SEC. But

12:37

I'm sorry, I would say the Big

12:39

12 by far is the worst conference

12:41

of the group. And the

12:43

talent in that conference is just

12:45

not even remotely close to what he's

12:47

about to walk in to assuming that

12:49

he gets drafted by the Cleveland Brown.

12:51

So we'll see how it plays out.

12:53

But I'm in agreement with John Harbaugh.

12:56

Not possible. Andrew

12:58

Berry said something. It really, you

13:00

know, I wish I get why

13:02

I didn't do it. But if

13:04

Lamar had run the 40 when he

13:07

was coming out at the combine. He

13:10

definitely I'm sure I mean he was probably

13:12

a little lighter than probably the fastest

13:14

he's ever been was early on in his

13:16

career He's clearly still really fast, but

13:18

that college version of Lamar and then

13:20

like that first year or two Lamar

13:23

Jackson was I don't know four

13:25

to five and Andrew Barry said something today,

13:27

which I get it He's propping the

13:29

guy up and Jalen Milrow is going to

13:31

the draft like Jalen Milrow

13:33

I don't know exactly how

13:35

this works. I've never worked, you know

13:37

at ESPN at NFL Network

13:39

how they talk with the draft

13:41

prospects. I think clearly they've tried to

13:43

shrink the group that goes. But

13:46

I don't think it's just randomly like, hey, Jaylin,

13:48

you want to go to the draft? It's like,

13:50

oh, I might get drafted in the third or

13:52

fourth round. Not saying he's going to go in

13:54

the first round, but there's clearly some momentum and

13:56

buzz about his physical attributes. Like you talk about

13:58

a big project. I mean, we have seen way

14:00

less talented quarterbacks get drafted from

14:02

pick 15 to 30 in the last

14:04

10 plus years. Now, it doesn't

14:06

mean he's going to be any good.

14:09

It doesn't mean his flaw of

14:11

some, some accuracy issues, but just in

14:13

terms of what, you know, to

14:15

mold a piece of clay, it happened

14:17

with Josh Allen, whatever, six, seven

14:19

years ago. So people are going to

14:21

like this guy as a project

14:23

with freakish talent. And Andrew Berry said

14:26

that he might be the one

14:28

guy that's immediately faster than Lamar. And

14:31

he ran a 440 with the Combine

14:33

Jalen Milrose, a freak athlete can fly. But

14:36

I, and listen, Lamar's.

14:38

whatever, 28, 29 years old.

14:41

He's probably not like if he just ran the

14:43

40, it'd still be fast. But would he

14:45

run of what he would have five years ago?

14:48

I just wish he would have ran

14:50

it because I think we'd be talking

14:52

like, remember when Lamar Jackson ran a

14:54

four to six at the combine or

14:56

a four, three, one, because I promise

14:58

you this early on, Lamar

15:01

Jackson was faster than 440. No

15:03

question in my mind. If

15:06

you listen yesterday, we had Jake

15:08

Dickert, the former Washington state coach who's

15:10

now at Wake Forest on the

15:12

podcast. He was really good, impressive guy,

15:14

easy guy to root for. Coach

15:16

Cam Ward for a couple of years, last

15:18

year coach John Matier, who's now

15:20

at Oklahoma, who was the big transfer portal

15:22

guy this year. It

15:26

was really interesting to hear him talk

15:28

about like how clearly he's really into having

15:30

a personnel department He's got a GM

15:32

that he brought from Washington State that he

15:34

clearly leans on and you know, I

15:36

was thinking about this in the pros There

15:38

aren't any rules, right? I mean technically

15:40

I think as a scout when you go

15:42

into college You're not supposed to talk

15:44

to like a freshman sophomore a guy that's

15:46

not draft eligible Right, especially about like

15:48

draft prospects. I mean you can run into

15:51

them in the hallway and bullshit with

15:53

them It's not like you're gonna get arrested

15:55

by the NFL But it's there are

15:57

some rules not that it really matters But

15:59

for the most part of like a

16:01

GM wants to go to a college football

16:03

game if a coach wants to go

16:05

to a college football game Anyone can go

16:07

to these programs during the week It's

16:09

actually on the college to be like, yeah,

16:11

we're actually closed this week But for

16:13

the most part anyone at any time from

16:15

the NFL can either set

16:17

up a time to go see

16:19

players can just go see the players

16:21

during the week. It's very easy.

16:23

It's an open door policy. I remember

16:25

the running joke was during the

16:27

Nick Saban era is like it is

16:29

by far the most pro friendly

16:31

program in the country. If a

16:33

scout wanted to come to the building at

16:35

3 30 in the morning, Alabama

16:38

would have someone to open the door for you

16:40

at 3 30 in the morning. And

16:42

in college, it's different. Yet, now we

16:44

have these GMs all over the country

16:46

that are clearly playing big jobs in

16:48

the program. I mean, I don't know

16:50

how many of them there are, but

16:52

there are definitely a handful that are

16:54

making over a million dollars to be

16:56

GMs. And then the majority of the

16:58

country is probably making between 500 and

17:01

a million dollars. So, all these Power

17:03

4 programs, these guys are making a

17:05

lot of coin because their job now

17:07

is really, really important. Yet, during the

17:09

fall, and I always thought this was

17:11

kind of Not just crazy, but also

17:13

difficult. Your

17:15

your scouts in college football historically

17:17

have always been the coaches. So

17:20

sometimes in my experience, you would

17:22

play on like a Saturday. And

17:25

sometimes by the time you got to Thursday,

17:27

you would send some coaches out on

17:29

the road. Like if you were at

17:32

Fresno State or Cal or USC, you

17:34

might not go to New Jersey or Florida,

17:36

but it would be pretty easy to go.

17:39

I don't know, 30 minutes away, and a

17:41

couple hours away, maybe even fly up

17:43

the state and watch a high school game

17:45

that Friday, even though you were playing

17:47

the next day. And if you

17:49

have access to, you know, private

17:51

transportation in the air or it's driving distance,

17:53

you just come back, meet the team either

17:55

that night or the next morning to get

17:57

ready for the game, assuming that you're playing

18:00

at home. and sometimes on the road you

18:02

do the same thing like go hit if

18:04

you're playing somewhere in Texas or Arizona or

18:06

an area where you're recruiting kids you go

18:08

see players but that's difficult you're trying to

18:10

get ready for a game and you're going

18:12

to watch a high school game that doesn't

18:14

happen in the pros because think about it

18:16

your your coaches don't leave the team during

18:18

the fall they don't even get in the

18:20

draft process till like a month or two

18:22

before your scouts do that so why do

18:24

the rules it shows you how archaic this

18:26

is and it needs to change and

18:29

Dickert was all over it as

18:31

like these GMs and personnel departments should

18:33

be able during the season on

18:35

a Friday night all over the country,

18:37

whoever you're recruiting, be able to

18:39

go attend those games and talk to

18:41

the kids and talk to their

18:43

family. Just like a coach, a head

18:45

coach, a coordinator or a position

18:47

coach would be able to. It

18:49

would actually make everything so

18:52

much easier on the program.

18:54

And I would imagine over the next

18:56

couple of years, it's inevitable that

18:58

That is the end of result. But

19:00

right now for that still being

19:03

quote unquote illegal feels kind of laughable.

19:05

I remember I don't remember. I mean,

19:07

it was just a couple weeks ago.

19:10

But when the national championship was going

19:12

on, you're seeing Kelvin Samson. He's coaching

19:14

coaching Houston. They're obviously I mean, they

19:16

probably should have won that won that

19:18

game. But I remember when he got fired. And

19:21

if you remember what he got fired

19:23

for, it was for texting people. And

19:25

once upon a time. you were not

19:27

allowed to text recruits. Think

19:29

how insane that is. I mean,

19:31

think how crazy that is. I

19:33

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19:36

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19:38

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19:40

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20:01

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last but not

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least, it was

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announced today that

25:31

Lee Corso, the

25:33

legendary iconic figure

25:35

for ESPN, is

25:38

retiring. And I

25:40

was I was reading a little

25:42

bit about like this college game

25:44

day Officially started in 1987 and

25:46

that's pretty crazy. We're just a

25:48

couple years away from that show

25:50

being 40 years old But for

25:52

the first six years of the

25:54

show they didn't go on the

25:56

road So I think early on

25:58

on that show they were in

26:00

studio and then in 1993 they

26:02

started doing what they've been doing

26:04

forever now is go to these

26:06

big games and make it a

26:08

big production and over the last

26:10

what 20 plus years uh it's

26:12

i i i feel like one

26:14

of the biggest sports shows you

26:16

could argue college game day and

26:19

nba on tnt with barkley and

26:21

urney and and kenny you know

26:23

are probably the two biggest pre

26:25

post game type shows of my

26:27

lifetime and i think i was

26:29

thinking about this You

26:31

know for a long time

26:33

sometimes I'll see clips from

26:35

like ESPN radio or something

26:37

on ESPN. It's like who

26:39

the hell is that? Like

26:42

what? Who are they

26:44

promoting at that company? And

26:47

I was kind of hit me

26:49

today like that company is not

26:51

gonna create stars anymore and when

26:53

I was a kid at ESPN

26:55

the the stars that were created

26:57

under the umbrella of the four

26:59

letter network Was

27:02

pretty remarkable and those days are done

27:04

like they don't get credit for Pat McAfee

27:06

He just did his show and they

27:08

just added it to him. They had nothing

27:10

to do with him, right? They hired

27:12

his show and they don't even get to

27:14

touch it And if you think about

27:16

probably two of their biggest guys in the

27:18

network Steven A Smith and Scott Van

27:20

Pelt I mean, I think Steven A Smith's

27:22

58 years old. I think Scott Van

27:24

Pelt's over 55 years old The young talent

27:26

and the young stars or just people

27:28

that are gonna be stars like those days

27:30

are dead and

27:33

Lee Corso and Dick Vitale are

27:35

two examples of, now these were

27:37

former coaches, but they

27:39

went to ESPN after their coaching

27:41

careers ended, slash they pivoted, and

27:43

they became the faces of the

27:45

network for college football and college

27:47

basketball. And if you think about

27:49

it, like the two guys, there's

27:51

really four guys when I think

27:53

college football and college basketball that

27:55

are synonymous with ESPN. It's

27:57

Jay Billis and Dick Vitale and

27:59

Kirk Herb Street, and Lee Corso.

28:02

But when you think about the four guys, Herb

28:05

Street and Billus are very similar. Good

28:07

looking guys, very professional, just

28:10

really high level guys,

28:12

former players at really high

28:14

levels. Herb Street, quarterback,

28:16

Ohio State, Billus, Coach K,

28:18

Duke, mid 80s. Yet

28:21

when you close your eyes and think

28:23

about the two big stars of the

28:25

network for those brands, it was

28:27

the guys with the huge personalities.

28:29

And I just saw a clip Not

28:31

a clip but an article where

28:33

Lee Corso early on told Tim Brando

28:35

I want to become the Dick

28:38

Vitale of college football and one thing

28:40

with Dickie V just like Lee

28:42

Corso is They were a huge huge

28:44

part of the explosion of the

28:46

game and the explosion of celebrating the

28:48

sport and listen I love golf

28:50

and they use this term a lot

28:53

with live and the PJ Tour

28:55

and YouTube golf of like growing the

28:57

game I do think

28:59

Lee Corso and Dick Vitale, who

29:01

obviously Dickie V has been

29:03

battling cancer. I mean, Lee Corso

29:05

has two things can be

29:07

true. Today is a celebration day.

29:09

It's an awesome day to

29:11

just celebrate this great show, this

29:13

great man, this iconic

29:15

figure in the business, enrolling him

29:17

out the last couple of

29:19

years. And I understand it's never

29:22

easy to end with a

29:24

legend, right? And this transition has

29:26

been tough. But them rolling

29:28

him out the last couple years

29:30

has been very very difficult to watch

29:32

and that there have been times

29:34

where it's like Kind of sad, right?

29:36

It's like how are they putting

29:38

him on television right now? And they

29:40

clearly have been trying to transition

29:42

the last couple years adding Saban last

29:44

year adding McAfee the last couple

29:47

years trying to get a younger vibe

29:49

and at least done less and

29:51

less but now it's officially over and

29:53

Like Saban is is good, but

29:55

it's not the same There's an element

29:57

and I think what they tried

29:59

to do is basically McAfee and Saban

30:01

were like combined into one to

30:03

equal Lee Corso. And it's

30:05

just hard because there's only one

30:07

original and the same thing

30:09

with Dickie V. Like they didn't

30:11

replace Dickie V. There's no

30:13

replacing Dickie V. There's no replacing

30:15

Lee Corso. Now, I think

30:18

Lee, you know, I

30:20

don't, who knows what he'll

30:22

be able to say on

30:24

his last show, but the

30:26

game is in a better place and

30:28

it's as popular as ever because of everything

30:30

that's going on even if it's kind

30:33

of weird with the NIL, with the 12

30:35

team playoff that's probably going to expand

30:37

even more. I mean we got a lot

30:39

of moving parts here. But

30:41

when I think college football, one

30:44

of the first things I think of is

30:46

college game day. And obviously a guy putting

30:48

on the mascot at the end of that

30:50

show as we go in and transition into

30:52

the first games of the day, he

30:54

was a massive, massive part of

30:57

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30:59

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