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2:03

like ten hours, but I think

2:05

it was two with coward we

2:07

hopped on right after the Cowboys

2:09

picked The guard from Bama and

2:11

went for the entire first round

2:13

so you can go check that

2:15

out We just reacted pick

2:17

after pick after pick a couple trades

2:19

in there and As we sit here

2:21

right now. It's 853 Pacific Standard Time.

2:23

Shaddur Sanders Was not selected in the

2:25

first round obviously Jackson Dart was so

2:27

we'll kind of talk about that I'll

2:29

hit on a couple other things just

2:32

wanted to get a couple more thoughts

2:34

out. I put a lot out with

2:36

Colin It's been it's been a long

2:38

It's a long day because you kind

2:40

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2:42

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2:44

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2:46

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2:49

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2:51

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2:53

really, really fun. Had a couple. Whoa,

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2:57

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2:59

that nobody saw coming. And we'll

3:01

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3:03

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really heard the last couple days. that

4:04

the New York Giants were not going

4:06

to take Shador Sanders. I saw

4:08

Adam Shepter say it this morning. Do not

4:10

expect the New York Giants at pick

4:12

three to take Shador Sanders. But if I

4:14

told you that they traded back in

4:16

to the 20s, I'd be like, I bet

4:18

that's when they pulled the trigger. And

4:21

they did, they traded back into the 20s

4:23

and they just took Jackson Dart. Now,

4:25

I don't necessarily agree with this.

4:27

I think Shador Sanders is a better

4:29

player than Jackson Dart, but like

4:31

the league disagrees. Because we have been

4:33

talking about this player really for

4:35

years He obviously plays on a team

4:37

with the Heisman Trophy winner a

4:39

guy that you know Jacksonville just moved

4:41

up three spots They traded a

4:44

future first -round pick to draft a

4:46

guy. He does have a position He

4:48

plays them both but like we

4:50

don't and I they're probably given a

4:52

press conference right now They'll probably

4:54

try to play him at both whatever

4:56

who's just one of the most

4:58

unique players we've ever seen in the

5:00

draft Colorado Dion Sanders. He's his

5:02

son It does not get drafted. And

5:04

now you start looking at it like Titans aren't going to take

5:07

them. Are the Browns going to take

5:09

them? Does Jimmy Haslam get involved? I mean, they

5:11

have the two first round picks next year. It

5:13

feels like that would be their move to

5:15

get a quarterback. But maybe they pull the trigger

5:17

early in the second round. The Giants now

5:19

no longer need a quarterback. A lot of these

5:21

bad teams, what was a

5:23

shitty situation for Shador in terms

5:25

of like trying to generate buzz,

5:27

we had heard forever and I

5:29

just believe it. You hear something

5:31

enough times. It shows you the

5:33

power of like propaganda because during

5:36

the draft season, something can just

5:38

get thrown out there enough is

5:40

like Mike Tomlin loves Shaddour. The

5:42

50th time you hear it, you're like,

5:44

God, Mike Tomlin loves Shaddour Sanders. That's

5:47

his guy. And the Pittsburgh Steelers, who

5:49

don't have a quarterback, Aaron

5:51

Rodgers is swimming in the ocean. He's got

5:53

personal issues. He's got a new dog. Who

5:55

knows if he's even going to play? They

5:57

don't know. He's told everybody, like, do not

5:59

wait for me. And the

6:01

Pittsburgh Steelers like yeah, we're gonna

6:03

just take a position player was

6:05

gonna take a take a lineman

6:07

It's like so Mike Tomlin liked

6:09

them, but like not that much,

6:11

you know didn't didn't didn't like

6:13

love love them and The Rams

6:15

is like oh could the Rams

6:18

take a quarterback that they got

6:20

the Atlanta Falcons who I'm sorry

6:22

have no clue what they're doing

6:24

if the Trust me. I've purchased

6:26

some poor stocks. There is one right now that

6:28

it it couldn't be any more in the red.

6:30

I would love to get out. I'm just so

6:32

far in the red. It might as well just

6:34

write it out a little bit. If the Atlanta

6:36

Falcons were a stock, I would

6:38

short the living bleep out of them. And

6:41

the Atlanta Falcons, I think I told this

6:43

to Colin. I think the Rams planned on taking

6:45

a player. Now, I don't necessarily think they

6:47

were going to take quarterback, but I would imagine

6:49

they had some discussions and they got a

6:51

call out of the blue from the Atlanta Falcons

6:53

that were like, hey, how about

6:56

a 2026 first round pick? Wait

6:58

to trade up. in the

7:00

top couple picks next year? No, no, no.

7:02

Like, we're gonna trade in the mid -20s right

7:04

now and take a defensive alignment. Like,

7:06

okay. I mean, the

7:09

Jacksonville trade's crazy, but at least

7:11

they get an awesome prospect. Like,

7:13

I think that moves nuts. I think anytime

7:15

you're a new GM and a new head coach,

7:17

you do not know your team. So

7:19

to make crazy moves without knowing

7:21

your team, Andy Reid, John Harbaugh, Dan

7:23

Campbell, Sean McVeigh, like, these guys

7:25

know their team. So if they want

7:27

to get aggressive and move up

7:29

years ago when Dimitrov traded up for

7:31

Julio Jones and Belichick told him

7:33

not to do it, he knew his

7:35

team. He had been the GM

7:37

of the team for a while, knew

7:39

his strengths, knew his weaknesses, just

7:42

understood what he had to

7:44

work with. When you're brand new

7:46

on the job and you

7:48

haven't coached one day in OTAs,

7:50

let alone a real game, You

7:52

can't know your team. It's literally

7:54

impossible. So to make a

7:56

big move and you know me,

7:59

I'm all for being aggressive is

8:01

borderline malpractice. I think it's insane.

8:03

Now, you would say the Atlanta Falcons, you

8:06

know, know their team, but to

8:08

trade up to the mid -20s and

8:10

give a first round pick the following

8:12

year for like the sixth or

8:14

seventh lineman on the board is insanity.

8:17

Like, I thought the Jacksonville trade was crazy.

8:19

My jaw dropped. I think it's insanity. what

8:21

the Atlanta Falcons did. Like, it's not that

8:23

Shadoor Sanders didn't get picked. Like, that's not

8:25

that crazy. Like, we've been hearing for a

8:27

while like, guys, he might not get selected.

8:29

If the Saints don't take him, if the

8:31

Giants don't take him, we all

8:33

assumed the Steelers would. Well, clearly, we had

8:35

been lied to. That wasn't true. He

8:37

might like the guy. Not enough to take

8:40

him at pick 21. And

8:42

he's going to go in the second round,

8:44

where historically, Like, I've been watching the NFL. I'm

8:46

old enough to remember when guys used to

8:48

get drafted in the second round and Derek Carr

8:50

became an immediate starter for the Raiders. And

8:52

within a couple years, they were a playoff team.

8:54

Andy Dalton, drafted the second round, immediate starter

8:56

for the Cincinnati Bengals. I think went to the

8:58

playoffs like five or six straight years. Jimmy

9:00

Garoppolo, end of the second round, couple years

9:02

in, became a starter, highest paid player the

9:04

league, 49ers, led him to a Super Bowl.

9:07

Like, I said this the other day. Listen.

9:10

It is it's cool to get

9:12

drafted really high from a financial standpoint.

9:14

You make way more money. That's

9:16

that's undisputable. So if you're Abdul Carter,

9:18

you would rather get drafted to

9:20

pick three than be Jalen Walker at

9:22

pick 15 because you're going to

9:24

make way more in your media contract.

9:26

But that does not guarantee your

9:28

success. Like Abdul Carter, like I'm

9:30

pro Abdul Carter. I think he's an elite

9:32

prospect. But like if he's going to

9:34

become a star player, like. He has to do

9:37

it. Like in the NFL, you got to produce.

9:39

This isn't the NBA where once you're drafted high,

9:41

it's like, love this guy's name. Even though he's

9:43

always injured, give him a max. That's not the

9:45

way the NFL works. Half this first round will

9:47

not have their fifth year option picked up. Like

9:50

the meritocracy kicks in pretty quickly. You get

9:52

a little bit of a scholarship when you're a

9:54

really high pick. But eventually, like within the

9:56

first year or two, like you got to produce

9:58

to stay on the field. And

10:00

it does not determine your success or failure.

10:02

We see guys, I've been going to

10:04

training camps. in the NFL for almost 15

10:06

years now. And I can't tell you

10:08

how many times. I can't wait to watch

10:10

the second round pick. And you get

10:12

there at practice and the sixth rounder looks

10:14

better. Or I can't wait to watch

10:16

the first round pick. And you get there and

10:18

the third rounder looks like the star. So

10:21

no one knows. We're

10:23

all taking educated guesses. It

10:25

makes this fun. And I enjoy it.

10:27

You enjoy it. We all enjoy it. But

10:29

nobody knows. So Shador I

10:31

would imagine they had a decent gauge

10:34

of like this was a possibility, but this

10:36

does not determine his success or failure

10:38

Just like for all these guys. I mean

10:40

think how lucky some of the guys

10:42

that went in the 20s Malik Starks who

10:44

is Obviously Malachi Starks. Excuse me. It

10:46

is from Georgia. All he knows is winning

10:48

and he just gets to go to

10:50

the Baltimore Ravens Jihad Campbell like they had

10:53

a down year at Alabama where they

10:55

went 10 games You know all that guy

10:57

is used to is going to the

10:59

playoffs competing for Natties He gets to go

11:01

to the Eagles Like the the teams

11:03

that draft in the 20s in a draft

11:05

like this Get guys and we saw

11:07

it last year like these are the people

11:10

that are gonna play in the playoffs

11:12

like I like Travis Hunter a lot and

11:14

I would have taken him the top

11:16

couple picks as well I wouldn't have traded

11:18

up for him like they did but

11:20

big -time prospect He's I think Jacksonville is

11:22

not gonna be any good and he's gonna

11:24

play in games that are not gonna

11:26

matter, you know Ashton

11:28

Gentie. Like, I'm pretty sure they're going to

11:31

be the fourth best team in that division.

11:33

So even if he's an awesome player, one,

11:35

if you're down a lot in games, your

11:37

defense is not that good, do they have an

11:39

explosive offense, everyone can kind of focus on

11:41

you. We saw it with Saquon Barkley, who is

11:43

a much better prospect. It's difficult. You get

11:45

to go to these good teams. I

11:48

mean, Colin and I were

11:50

like, of course, Jim Harbaugh gets one

11:52

of the best running backs in

11:54

a draft loaded with running backs for

11:56

the Chargers. So now the Chargers

11:58

have a good offensive line. They got

12:00

multiple running backs. They got a

12:02

good young quarterback. They have a really

12:04

good defense, an excellent defensive coordinator. They're

12:07

going to be good. Like the

12:09

teams in the 20s, it feels like

12:11

always draft so much better than

12:13

teams in the single digits and the

12:15

high teams because it's like some

12:17

teams don't know what they're doing. It's

12:19

why they always draft high and

12:21

the same teams. Like how long have

12:23

the Ravens been drafted, been drafting

12:25

between pick 24 and 30? The

12:28

entire internet age right the the

12:30

chiefs like one thing Andy will

12:32

do is he will take swings on

12:34

players because they're drafting the end

12:36

of the first round Like I

12:38

thought I expected them to go

12:40

with the running back and they

12:42

went with the tackle from Ohio State

12:44

who I think had some question

12:46

marks, you know on off the

12:49

field injuries and off the field

12:51

I don't know if exactly like he's

12:53

a You know perfect Right up

12:55

in terms of the intangible stuff

12:57

But from a talent standpoint, there's

12:59

no disputing the ability. And

13:01

last year their offensive line wasn't good enough

13:03

so it was worth the risk. And sometimes you've

13:05

got to take some risks, right? But I

13:07

think there's a balance of like taking a risk

13:09

at the end of the first round and

13:12

drafting a guy like that and making a trade

13:14

like the Atlanta Falcons made. I

13:16

just think under

13:18

no circumstances can you

13:21

go from trading a

13:23

future first round pick For

13:25

a guy that's I would say universally not

13:27

viewed upon as a top five player

13:29

at his position in the draft Literally there

13:31

were four or five guys at his

13:33

position. They were drafted ahead of him in

13:35

the round I said this to Colin

13:37

and I'm sure we'll find out Over the

13:40

next 24 hours, but I would be

13:42

stunned if a team is ever in the

13:44

internet age Maybe this happened in the

13:46

70s in the 80s team has gone from

13:48

the middle of the second round Traded

13:50

up to the middle or I mean the

13:52

middle of the 20s so not like

13:54

in the top 10 going to like pick

13:57

24 25 Given a future first -round pick

13:59

for a non quarterback, and I don't

14:01

even know if it's ever happened with a

14:03

quarterback. I I think that's insanity

14:05

I felt good about this last year

14:07

when now I picked the Saints. I was

14:09

wrong But I said the Atlanta Falcons

14:11

are not gonna win that division. I feel

14:13

like that again. I just don't think

14:15

they know what they're doing Especially if you're

14:18

the Rams, can you imagine getting that

14:20

phone call? I thought about this when Cleveland

14:22

got the phone call. So wait, you

14:24

want to go from five to two, and

14:26

you're going to give us a second

14:28

round pick and next year's first round pick?

14:30

Like, are you sure? Did

14:32

Kevin Safansky and Andrew Berry look

14:34

at each other like, pretend we

14:36

need to talk about this. So

14:38

we actually think this is a

14:40

tough discussion. Or did Jimmy Haslam

14:43

just go, say yes, say yes. I

14:45

can't imagine. And I get

14:47

Raheem Morris and Sean McVeigh. are

14:50

close buddies. They're good friends,

14:52

close pals. The

14:54

phone call when, what's

14:56

his name, the general manager from

14:58

Atlanta, Terry

15:00

Fontenot, calls Les Need and Sean

15:02

McVeigh and they got him, who

15:04

knows, they're probably like the, who

15:07

even knows what they're having the draft this year,

15:09

probably out in the middle of the ocean in

15:11

the Pacific at some island and they get that

15:13

call on that, on that phone and they're on

15:15

speakerphone and they're looking at each other like, is

15:17

this guy serious? Are we

15:19

speaking the same language? Do

15:22

these guys on drugs? This

15:24

guy's taking an edible are they

15:26

taking edibles in Atlanta? The

15:29

arts are blank pass away is no

15:31

one Watching what's going on in the

15:33

Atlanta draft room and then you look

15:35

and because even the Giants like what

15:37

they had to trade for Jackson Dart,

15:39

which I think is pretty bold Because

15:41

more than likely if I was a

15:44

betting man, you'd go well That

15:46

Joe Shane and Brian Day ball

15:48

are not gonna be there in 2026

15:51

So whoever the new coach and

15:53

GM come in they're gonna have to

15:55

like Jackson darts gonna be on

15:57

their team now They drafted them in

15:59

the not picked three or

16:01

four. So there's a little less pressure

16:03

But still like that if you're coming

16:05

into a job So there is some

16:07

pressure to pretend to like the guy

16:10

typically that happens in those in those

16:12

interviews once I fired day ball and

16:14

Shane it's like the owner is going

16:16

to want you to be at least

16:18

pro Jackson Dart. And Jackson Dart,

16:20

well, you know, he's a transfer

16:22

guy from USC to Ole Miss, been around Lane,

16:24

seen some shit. It's kind of

16:26

a weird room. I mean,

16:28

Russell Wilson, like, if I'm Shador, I'm

16:30

kind of glad that I don't have

16:33

to go into a room with James in

16:35

Russell. James is cool, but the Russell

16:37

Wilson experience, like, I just would want no

16:39

part of that. And the thing if

16:41

I'm Jacks of Dart or if I was

16:43

Shador and I had gone into that

16:45

room, like, I'm gonna think I'm

16:47

better than Russell Wilson pretty quickly. Now,

16:50

Jameis is kind of a rollercoaster ride, but

16:52

pretty clear like Jameis will just be the

16:54

backup, whether that's Russell starting or the rookie

16:56

starting, but are they gonna win a lot

16:58

of games with Russell Wilson? The Pittsburgh Steelers,

17:00

who are a much better run organization, have

17:03

a much better team once it got

17:05

cold outside that they couldn't win with

17:07

the guy. And now you take Russell

17:09

to a much worse team. I love

17:11

Malik neighbors. Who doesn't? I mean,

17:13

he's a freak talent. He's probably one of the

17:15

more talented wide receivers to come out of the

17:17

draft in recent memory. Doesn't mean he's to be

17:19

the best player, but just pure talent. Got

17:21

some concussion issues last year. You

17:24

know, I think their defense, people keep talking about

17:26

their defensive line. Yeah, Dexter Lawrence is sweet. Kevon

17:29

Thibodeau, that's good. Brian

17:31

Burns, good player, but given what they're paying

17:33

him and what they gave up, like,

17:35

a little overrated. The

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And then you just see like

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the Eagles just how It's

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really not a fair fight. I think

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right now if you're an Eagle fan I

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Don't want to say like Kevin Durant

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warriors because that was truly it wasn't fair

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like if as long as they were

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healthy They were a lock to win the

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championship and then one two straight and

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then it took like an Achilles injury and

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a clay ACL for them not to

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beat the Raptors So football is not that

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but I do think as we sit

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Carter could really take a next step

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at another year with Fangio. Their DBs

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are really good. You

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add Jod Campbell, the linebacker

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from Alabama. The only

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guys they draft are big

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school guys. And Colin

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and I, we rattled off, like, look at

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this first round. There's a Boise State

23:02

and there's, you know, a Colorado in

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there. Now, Colorado got him because of Dion.

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If it wasn't like he would have

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been at Florida State. That's where Travis Hunter

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was supposed to go. The entire first

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round is basically Ohio State, Michigan, Bama, Georgia.

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This isn't rocket

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science. And when

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all else fails, I

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would just draft one of the guys

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from the top four or five programs,

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especially with NIL, like the best players

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all the resources to get these guys.

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couple of years with Gentis staying at

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Boise State and Mitchell two years ago

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at Toledo. I would put Drake May

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as well at North Carolina. Those

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guys are going to be outlier

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situations. Typically, I think those type players

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are not going to turn down

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these offers and they're going to end

23:59

up at Oregon, at Texas, at

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Ohio State, at Michigan. So it

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wouldn't shock me if in the next

24:05

couple of years we have a draft. that

24:08

is literally like five schools. It's

24:10

just like Michigan, Ohio State, Texas,

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Georgia, Bama, you

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know, if USC ever were to get good with

24:17

their money, Oregon, you know,

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Miami, like the schools with all the

24:21

money and it's just, you just consolidate all

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the top talent. And forever, like college

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basketball was like that for a long time

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because why? They were paying guys under

24:29

the table and there were like eight, nine

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guys that really mattered in Kentucky, Duke,

24:33

North Carolina, kind of had the market fucking

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cornered. And that's what it kind of

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feels like in college football right now. And

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it's going to continue to be like

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that. Now, maybe with the revenue sharing, there's

24:43

a little more equality spread across the

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board in terms of finances. But even if

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that's the case, NIL will

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still exist. And that'll just be to

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supplement the revenue sharing. So it's like,

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yeah, I'll pay you a million dollars

24:55

with the revenue sharing. And my collective

24:57

will get you another million dollars. So we'll

25:00

pay you two. So it's still going

25:02

to be competitive in Georgia, Ohio State,

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Oregon, Texas, like they're

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Michigan, They're going to be dead

25:08

set on getting the best guys like they

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always have my entire life. And I

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think we saw it. I mean, the amount

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of guys from the best schools tonight,

25:16

it was crazy. I mean, awesome for Boise

25:18

State. I mean, I would imagine that's

25:20

the highest guy they've ever had drafted, especially

25:23

as a running back. It's got to be

25:25

cool. And he's right down, you know, the street

25:27

from them, maybe not the street, but it's

25:29

a it's not that far of a plane flight.

25:31

And I don't know what the drive is,

25:33

but it's definitely drivable Vegas to Boise State. So.

25:36

We will be back tomorrow. I

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think I'm gonna do like a

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live thing on YouTube Before the

25:42

second round starts I think three

25:45

Pacific Standard Time and then I

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will have I'll do a podcast

25:49

for Saturday basically just a reaction

25:51

to the second and the third

25:53

round And I'll do two for

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YouTube. We'll do a couple. We'll

25:57

just split those up into videos

25:59

and I would imagine tomorrow Uh,

26:02

we get some players traded. I

26:04

mean, we know guys that are on

26:06

the block like Mark Andrews, Dallas

26:08

Goddard, you know, cousins, could he, could

26:10

he be dealt? Uh, you

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know, Jalen Ramsey, Tyreek Hill.

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So, and I'm sure there are countless

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other names of veteran guys that are

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in the NFL that could be dealt.

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