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2:55

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2:57

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2:59

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3:04

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3:06

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3:12

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3:14

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3:17

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3:19

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3:21

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3:23

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3:25

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3:27

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3:30

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3:32

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I mean, I think

6:00

the Shadoor Sanders. Topic

6:02

is settled Belichick and his girlfriend

6:05

that topic exploded on Sunday

6:07

and Means we're at spring football.

6:09

So let's let's dive into

6:11

some of your questions Huge fan

6:13

of the bag huge Niner

6:15

fan curious to know your thoughts

6:18

on their draft saw a

6:20

couple draft grades and the team

6:22

got panned I personally thought

6:24

they made some great picks one

6:26

silly Shanahan reach with Watkins

6:28

the Ole Miss wide receiver But

6:30

everything else was value with

6:33

the defensive line as the main

6:35

focus. Every year the Niners

6:37

get ridiculed in the draft, then the

6:39

actual core talent is the rounds 4

6:41

through 7. How much stock should we

6:43

even put into these draft grades? Listen,

6:46

I mean, draft

6:48

grades are the dumbest thing

6:50

in the history of the

6:52

internet in terms of to

6:54

take them seriously. No

6:56

one has any clue. The

6:59

graders, the teams, the

7:01

actual players, the

7:03

fans, no one knows shit. I

7:05

mean, no one has any

7:07

clue. Now, totally understand why they

7:09

do draft grades, because the

7:11

written word on the internet has

7:13

never been less powerful, right?

7:16

The videos and podcasts wiped them

7:18

out. But that is still

7:20

something that gets people to click.

7:22

I'm guilty. I see someone

7:24

I'm like, I'll click. I've

7:26

clicked on multiple draft grades. Not even

7:28

because I care. I just can't help

7:30

it. It's like an addiction. I've been

7:33

doing it for multiple decades. No different

7:35

than mock drafts. Think how irrelevant mock

7:37

drafts are. Nobody knew that

7:39

the Jags were going to trade up. Nobody. And

7:42

then all of a sudden they trade

7:44

up and the mock drafts are kind of

7:46

irrelevant because all of a sudden Travis

7:48

Hunter is not playing for the Browns and

7:50

he's on the Jags. And then it

7:52

sets off like a domino effect. And it

7:54

happens every year. But we consume a

7:56

lot of mock drafts. Kyle Shanahan said his

7:58

wife called him on draft day. They

8:01

just said she looked at a mock draft.

8:03

And they really wanted Mike L. Williams, the

8:05

guy they ended up taking. And

8:08

he was like picked 28 in the mock

8:10

draft she looked at. And says, Kyle, maybe

8:12

she said honey. Maybe she said babe. Are

8:14

we sure that we're drafting the

8:17

right guy? Are you overvaluing this

8:19

player and even Kyle was like

8:21

had to like rethink but yeah,

8:23

it's like the mock drafts the

8:25

draft grades impact The fun of

8:27

this whole thing, but they don't

8:29

matter the 49ers. I've been to

8:31

The majority of Kyle Shanahan training

8:33

camps and the one thing I've

8:36

learned You get really excited like

8:38

any training camp you go to

8:40

when you have a high pick

8:42

And I would do in the

8:44

Raiders forever. Clio Mack, Amari Cooper

8:46

back to back years. You

8:48

know, with the 49ers, they had Solomon

8:50

Thomas and then Nick Bosa, I think

8:52

back to back years. Obviously, Trey Lance

8:55

when they drafted really high. It's exciting

8:57

to go see the first overall pick.

8:59

But look at the names that I just gave

9:01

out. Solomon Thomas never got his

9:03

fifth year option picked up and was

9:06

on like his fourth different team. Trey

9:08

Lance is one of the biggest draft

9:10

whiffs of all time. Why? Because Brock Purdy

9:12

came in. Wally piped him and

9:14

it wasn't even close Not a soul

9:16

that was at training camp Brock Purdy's work

9:18

a year went Hey, there's Brock Purdy.

9:20

Do you know that this guy's gonna become

9:23

the starter? No one said

9:25

that of course not no one ever

9:27

would say that and I think you got

9:29

to be very careful With just drafts

9:31

and this is why I don't get that

9:33

into it beside like the super famous

9:35

players Because we see it every year. I've

9:37

been to these practices where all of

9:39

a sudden it's like well the third round

9:42

guy is is getting beat out by

9:44

an undrafted free agent. The

9:46

amount of guys that signed

9:48

undrafted free agent contracts that

9:50

will make teams for everybody

9:52

is pretty mind blowing. And

9:54

the thing with the 49ers was clear.

9:56

I disagree with Kyle Shanahan and John

9:58

Lynch in terms of their emphasis on

10:00

offensive line, especially the tackle

10:02

position. Like they are

10:05

just allergic to taking tackles. I

10:07

would draft tackles, multiple tackles throughout the

10:09

draft. I would treat them like other positions

10:11

like maybe we'll hit on a guy

10:13

in the fourth round I'm not looking for

10:15

Trent Williams in the fourth round, but

10:18

can I get a serviceable player and they

10:20

just don't do that You know and

10:22

now maybe they were in position and guys

10:24

went above them I know in the

10:26

third round the Raiders took a couple offense

10:28

blind and they were probably interested in

10:30

but I Asked around the NFL Because I

10:32

felt like I like Jalen Walker a

10:34

little bit more than Michael Williams. I

10:37

was rebuffed like middle cough. I

10:39

think you're overhyping it Didn't meet

10:41

many people that I know that

10:43

didn't weren't extremely high on their

10:45

first round pick six five 270

10:47

pounds Just you know, he's a

10:49

little stiff But like he's got

10:51

a chance to be a really

10:53

really good player in the NFL

10:55

their second pick is six five

10:57

six six 330 pounds the defensive

10:59

lineman from Texas That's where I

11:01

got some I think it's a

11:03

little rich A lot of

11:05

teams put a lot of emphasis

11:07

in past rushing from their interior defense

11:10

alignment. This guy's not really a

11:12

past rusher He's much more of a

11:14

run stuffer and he's battled defensive

11:16

or injury concerns over the course of

11:18

his career But one thing with

11:20

those first two picks they got enormous

11:22

human beings and They their defensive

11:24

line is not existent. It's like Nick

11:26

Bosa and then it's that Will

11:28

Smith gif where he walks into the

11:31

You know to the mansion everyone's gone and

11:33

just stand on the rug looking around

11:36

that that's what it looks like after they've

11:38

literally got rid of everybody so I

11:40

I never have a problem taking blue chip

11:42

players from blue chip programs And it's

11:44

on you to coach them up and their

11:46

defensive line coach has had a lot

11:48

of success I think in the third round

11:50

they had drafted the kind of run -and

11:52

-hit guy from Oklahoma State Which again some

11:54

of my friends didn't love the player,

11:56

but you know you watch his highlights Howie

11:59

Roseman talked about this over the course

12:01

of the draft weekend. This game is so

12:03

much about space and speed now. And

12:05

that's what this guy is. But I mean,

12:07

put an emphasis on their later round picks. They

12:10

have hit on a lot of those guys, but. You

12:13

know, who knows? I don't know.

12:15

So I have no issue. I'm

12:17

not pushing back against people going,

12:20

their draft sucks like nobody knows.

12:24

They'll be fine. The key to

12:26

their draft. is going to be those two defensive

12:28

linemen got to be good. And obviously,

12:30

ideally hit on some random guys

12:32

throughout the course of the third

12:34

through seventh round, right? But I

12:36

think they had two high picks.

12:39

Pick 11 and pick whatever it

12:41

was, 44 or 43 or 5

12:43

or whatever number it was in

12:45

the second round. Like, those guys

12:47

got to be good. Like, those

12:49

were really, really, really valuable assets

12:52

in this draft. When

12:54

a team is reviewing a draft

12:56

prospect, How much does a school play

12:58

a factor in their draft grade,

13:00

generally speaking? For context, I'm

13:02

an Iowa State alum, and it feels

13:04

great so many cyclones not only

13:06

got drafted, four in the 25 draft,

13:08

five as a UDFA, but

13:10

also seeing them make on -the -field

13:12

contributions throughout the season, with

13:14

Pertie Hall and Montgomery being great

13:16

examples among others. You

13:19

know, I think because Iowa State, I

13:21

mean, let's face it, the Big 12 is the worst of

13:24

the power conferences, But under Matt

13:26

Campbell, they've proven now to have

13:28

NFL ready guys. Boise falls under

13:30

this category. When I was at

13:32

Fresno State, Pat Hill fell under

13:34

this category. There are certain programs

13:36

that aren't like Blue Blood, Blue

13:38

Chip, top 10 programs that are

13:40

like, we're getting a high level player

13:42

from there. You know, Iowa

13:44

is never going to win the national

13:46

championship. Iowa's probably never even going to

13:48

make the playoffs. But you

13:50

draft certain players from there like

13:52

you're getting NFL guys. And

13:55

obviously when you draft players, I

13:57

saw Monty Awesomefort, the

14:00

line, I was a linebacker,

14:02

the general manager from the

14:04

Arizona Cardinals say, because I

14:06

think they drafted multiple Ohio

14:08

State players. And he's

14:10

like, think how hard practices. We

14:12

know how much, you know, in terms

14:15

of they play in the bright light games,

14:17

they play in all these playoff games,

14:19

they play in multiple Penn State, Michigan. to

14:21

work in like you playing huge games

14:24

throughout the regular season. Think about

14:26

practice. And this was true for Alabama.

14:28

This is now true for Georgia. This

14:30

is true at Ohio State, Michigan under

14:32

Harbaugh. If you

14:34

are a DB at Ohio State, every

14:37

single day you're playing NFL guy. If

14:39

you played for Nick Saban, no matter

14:41

what position you play every single day at

14:43

practice, you're going up from your freshman

14:46

year going up against other NFL people. So

14:48

obviously the games when you play you

14:51

know, certain competition depending on the week.

14:53

But when you're at the top programs,

14:55

Ohio State, Georgia, now Texas, Sark's really

14:57

turned them in to a top flight

14:59

program. And obviously the NIL having money

15:01

has helped. But I think when he

15:03

first got there, they didn't even have

15:05

a player drafted. I mean, Texas was

15:07

in a bad spot. And he's

15:09

turned them pretty quickly just into one of

15:12

the elites again. And I

15:14

think that really, really matters for, you know, Oklahoma

15:16

was like this under Bob Stoops and then

15:18

Lincoln is like, so many NFL guys, you just

15:20

get better practicing every day. So I think

15:22

it really, really matters. And if you're not going

15:24

to be at, you know, one of the

15:26

quote unquote bluebloods, you got to earn the respect

15:28

of the league. And I think Matt Campbell

15:31

and Iowa State really has because they have guys

15:33

that are ready to come in, contribute and

15:35

play at a really high level. I have a

15:37

question with the fall of Sanders. Is

15:39

he privately happy? that every

15:41

single podcast in the sport show

15:43

led with him today? When

15:46

is the last time in draft

15:48

history that a fifth round draft

15:50

pick was the lead story? Doesn't

15:52

it just feed the legendary ego?

15:55

I was kind of thinking about that today. Wherever

15:57

you fall on him, it's got to be

15:59

pretty crazy. And I get his dad's D

16:01

on Sanders. But

16:03

he kind of got the like

16:05

Tim Tebow treatment. Now,

16:07

a huge part of that is if he

16:09

had just gone pick 21 to

16:11

the Steelers or somewhere in the

16:14

40s, it wouldn't have been the

16:16

same. Like anytime you're part of

16:18

like a legendary, no

16:20

pun intended, fall, a

16:22

precipitous drop viewed by people. Listen, I'm

16:24

sure there are people like, I can't

16:27

take hearing this anymore. And I tend

16:29

to fall that way too, but this

16:31

has been one of the crazier stories

16:33

I could just see by the numbers

16:35

that I've, since I've been doing this

16:37

for a decade plus ever seen. I

16:40

don't know how he feels. I

16:43

I've never met the kid know

16:45

nothing about him Seems like he

16:47

handled it pretty well in terms

16:49

of like from the prank call

16:52

I know he went to the

16:54

club and has like a bunch

16:56

of money and a Louis Something

16:58

I'm not even briefcase or something,

17:00

but I maybe just doesn't care.

17:02

Maybe he's kind of numb to

17:04

it Maybe he truly doesn't give

17:06

a shit Honestly, maybe he does

17:09

I'm done even trying to guess

17:11

where he falls Be interesting

17:14

when Dion comes out with his

17:16

first comments where he falls

17:18

because we haven't really seen Dion

17:20

like just sit down, you

17:22

know with On a show and

17:25

sling some takes that's coming

17:27

You could convince me a

17:29

lot of different angles well I'd

17:31

be stunned if Dion is

17:33

like I I screwed up. I

17:35

wish I would have handled

17:38

it differently I don't think he's

17:40

thrown that pitch. But

17:42

whenever we get him talking,

17:44

I don't know. Are

17:47

the Lynch 49ers just plain

17:49

bad at drafting? In three years,

17:51

21 to 23, they only

17:53

have two players who will see

17:55

a second contract with the

17:57

team, Brock Purdy and Lenore. They

18:00

seem to overvalue perceived fit

18:02

in their system compared to consensus

18:04

rankings. While teams like the

18:06

Eagles and Lions have been stacking

18:08

blue chips by not overthinking the picks.

18:11

Do you think this year's 49ers

18:13

draft class could be different and why?

18:15

Well, it's hard. When

18:17

you draft 11, you don't get

18:20

the pick of the litter, but

18:22

you get the option to

18:24

select guys that the

18:26

good teams, the chiefs, the

18:28

Eagles, the Ravens,

18:30

the Bills would die to have

18:32

access to. They would have

18:34

imagined what all those teams would do to

18:36

have the access to draft. Michael

18:39

Williams who most people thought was gonna go

18:41

in the top 10 that John Lynch said

18:43

he's gonna go in the top 10 So

18:45

I don't give you like I don't give

18:47

the 49ers credit on drafting Nick Bosa But

18:49

you just don't get any credit on that

18:51

like no shit easy pick like you don't

18:53

get credit on drafting Miles Garrett if anything

18:55

It's an indictment that you suck so bad

18:57

to draft that high where you do get

18:59

a lot of credit It's like well friend

19:01

Warner in the third George Kittle in the

19:03

fifth Brock Purdy in the seventh Lenore

19:06

was Lenore. I think Lenore is

19:08

a fifth and Ambrie Thomas was

19:10

a third like that. That's those

19:12

are really good picks You get

19:14

credit for those Michael Williams. Like

19:16

I don't give you I give

19:18

you a little more credit than

19:20

Bosa because you're drafting 11 knots

19:22

to But like you get credit

19:24

in the second third fourth round

19:26

and we'd all be taking educated

19:28

guesses Nobody has any clue. Honestly.

19:30

I've heard a lot of people

19:32

that I know don't love their

19:34

draft picks, but Not a soul

19:36

ever thought Purdy was any good

19:38

plays Some pretty big games so

19:40

far in a short career Since

19:42

it appears should door the other

19:44

thing with the 49ers like here's

19:46

the thing with the Eagles Howie

19:48

Roseman runs the draft Howie Roseman

19:50

is the boss. He runs the

19:52

draft Kyle Shanahan and the coaching

19:54

staff has a massive impact on

19:57

the draft Obviously they let John

19:59

do some stuff, but John Lynch

20:01

is not picking a player that

20:03

Kyle Shanahan doesn't want and

20:05

probably isn't pushing to get. So

20:08

I think that depending on

20:10

your building, like the Chiefs right

20:12

now, Brett Beach runs the draft. Andy

20:14

reads like, I don't want to do this. And

20:16

he's been like that since he got to Kansas

20:18

City. And look how they've done. Pretty

20:21

good. A lot of success. Scout

20:23

should scout. GM should pick

20:25

players. Coaches to coach. But

20:27

that's not really how a

20:29

lot of the way the

20:31

sport works anymore. Because most

20:33

of these like Seattle got

20:36

a ton of credit like

20:38

great looking draft on paper

20:40

Mike McDonald's not picking the

20:42

players John is So I

20:44

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20:46

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20:48

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20:50

think it's difficult for them

20:53

to separate Evaluation from the

20:55

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20:57

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20:59

can help them out positively

21:01

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21:03

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21:05

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21:07

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21:11

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21:15

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21:17

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21:19

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21:22

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21:26

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27:08

it appears Shador to the Browns

27:10

was a Jimmy Haslam move Do you

27:12

think he's even do you think

27:14

he even gets drafted without an owner

27:16

facilitating the pick? It's a

27:19

hell of a question man.

27:21

I I think the easy answer

27:23

is like we'll never know

27:25

who knows I would have a

27:27

hard time Thinking that some

27:29

GM would go with seventh round

27:33

But like what the hell I mean,

27:35

honestly, what's the difference in a in

27:37

a quote -unquote bad draft between like the

27:39

fourth or fifth round and the seventh

27:41

With a quarterback like he's gonna be

27:43

a backup no matter what so I

27:45

Do think when owner I think owners

27:47

would have gotten involved in the sixth

27:50

or the seventh round because they go

27:52

We're not paying this guy anything It's

27:54

on me if you guys want to

27:56

cut this guy you can cut him

27:58

whenever you want But then there is

28:00

too much value here. So I I

28:02

think let's say the Browns never exist

28:04

or jimmy haslam never forces their their

28:07

hand i think he gets drafted but

28:09

if you told me that he got

28:11

drafted in the seventh round like i

28:13

i think it would be on the

28:15

table which again is kind of crazy

28:17

because talent wise he's a top 50

28:19

player clearly top 75 player at worst

28:21

i don't think anyone would debate that

28:24

but it does really matter i mean

28:26

the i i just i remember i

28:28

did something on the todd mick shea

28:30

report Again, I was just giving my

28:32

opinion based on that report. Because at

28:34

the time, and this was two months

28:36

ago, Todd doesn't really just throw

28:38

shit out at the wall and hope it sticks.

28:40

And he said, like, he's had some awful meetings.

28:43

And I remember thinking and saying that, like,

28:46

that's pretty crazy to me. Because

28:49

usually, like, this is kind of an

28:51

important job interview. You know, it's one where

28:53

if you get drafted high, they

28:55

don't pay millions. They pay, like, $40

28:57

million. If you get drafted in

28:59

the second round, you make millions of dollars. Like,

29:02

it's kind of a big deal. And

29:04

then, you know,

29:06

like classic on the

29:08

comments, he

29:11

didn't want to conform. You

29:13

see that a lot. It's like, well,

29:15

guys, part of this business,

29:17

like in any business where a lot

29:19

of money's on the line when you're

29:21

interviewing with someone is to kind of

29:23

be on your best behavior. Literally, everyone

29:26

does it. Especially

29:28

people that aren't any people that

29:30

don't historically in football One are

29:32

either just complete morons and deserve

29:34

to fail because they usually do

29:36

or people that are so goddamn

29:38

good they could walk into an

29:40

interview pull down their pants and

29:42

Fart on the people interviewing them

29:44

and nothing would matter. So yeah,

29:46

still take you forth Like he

29:48

and he did not fall into

29:50

that category but in his mind

29:52

and this is what really turned

29:54

people off clearly He carried

29:56

himself like he was the greatest

29:58

thing since sliced bread Based on all

30:00

these reports and obviously just look

30:03

at the actions Yet they all looked

30:05

at him just like a run -of

30:07

-the -mill player Which to me if

30:09

this wasn't should door Sanders And that's

30:11

what makes this such a polarizing thing

30:13

is his name But if he

30:15

was just a normal player and he

30:17

had acted like that and we

30:19

all thought like he should be a

30:21

top couple round pick and fell Every

30:23

single person would be calling this

30:25

guy douchebag Every single person like

30:27

I think it'd be universal But it's

30:29

like people are scared which I get

30:31

it if your friends will be on

30:33

you don't want to crush his kid

30:35

and again No one said he did

30:38

like anything bad off the field but

30:40

in terms of the interview like It's

30:42

like well reported now like it's well

30:44

established what happened in why he fell

30:46

Because it's like why are you acting

30:48

like this? Nobody acts

30:50

like this. It's what pushed and

30:52

turned everyone off. Nobody acts

30:54

like this If anything, guys that

30:56

aren't as good, Jalen

30:59

Milrow had an awful season. Yet

31:02

he was blowing people away with his

31:04

interviews. Dylan Gabriel is

31:06

tiny relative to NFL

31:08

standards for quarterbacks, viewed very

31:10

small. People love the fucking guy.

31:12

Why? Because it's like, sit down with him and say,

31:14

God, I want this guy. I

31:16

want to draft that guy. That's

31:19

usually what quarterbacks do. Most of

31:21

these quarterbacks in this class Or

31:24

I would say like super impressive

31:26

guys the Riley Leonard's will Howard's

31:28

Dylan Gabriel's Jalen Milrose. I haven't

31:30

heard one negative thing on any

31:32

of them That is the other

31:34

problem He went in with his

31:36

attitude clearly in these rooms, which

31:39

again when I say one of

31:41

that no one does that nobody

31:43

I Don't know why you pulled

31:45

down your pants and fart on

31:47

someone, but I was just trying

31:49

to think of something outrageous Longhorn's

31:53

fan. I

31:56

got consistent pushback for believing Ewers

31:58

was overrated. I saw a player

32:00

that never seemed to perform well

32:02

into the biggest moments ran into

32:04

instead of out of trouble and

32:06

was a product of the scheme.

32:09

My question is, as a former scout, what

32:11

did you see on tape in your opinion

32:13

that forced him down to the seventh round? I

32:17

was never a big fan. And

32:20

obviously because you guys played in so

32:22

many big games over the last couple years,

32:24

we watched a lot of you. Clearly,

32:26

if everything's perfect and he just drops back

32:28

and throws a deep ball or throws

32:30

a ball where the guy's open, the ball

32:32

looks pretty coming out of his hand. And

32:34

in college, depending on who you're playing, he

32:36

can be put in those situations. You're like,

32:38

that was just a beautiful play. But

32:41

the better teams you play, football

32:43

becomes... There's an instinctive element. You

32:46

got to have a feel for

32:48

the game. And when I watched

32:50

Quinn Ewers play football, I saw

32:52

a guy that was robotic, that

32:54

didn't have a feel for the

32:56

game. And those type

32:58

players at quarterback, I am 100 %

33:00

always out on. I don't

33:02

care how tall you are, I

33:04

don't care how big your arm is.

33:06

I just saw a very robotic

33:09

and a guy that just lacked natural

33:11

instincts to play the position. Because

33:13

to be good at football, at any

33:15

position, but especially quarterback is like...

33:17

People loved Cam Ward's instincts. I would

33:19

say Shador has pretty natural quarterback

33:21

instincts, right? It's why he's you would

33:24

consider him a playmaker when I

33:26

watch Quinn Ewers I just saw like

33:28

kind of bleh Honestly him and

33:30

Carson Beck are very similar. You just

33:32

watch you like I don't see

33:34

it now. They can have stretches in

33:36

a game I would say Carson

33:38

Beck had stretches throughout his career that

33:41

looked better than Quinn Ewers I

33:43

never understood people projecting Quinn Ewers really

33:45

high But I

33:47

will say this, he has a

33:49

much better arm than Arch Manning. Now,

33:51

maybe Arch is young, maybe his

33:53

arm can get better, but the arm

33:55

I saw last year from Arch

33:57

Manning in when he played is pretty

33:59

average, relative to NFL standards. Speaking

34:04

of Arch, why

34:06

is Arch getting all this hype, but

34:08

I see Nussmeyer getting left off early

34:11

draft boards? Only 4K

34:13

yard passer coming back. NFL

34:15

star style thrower and will

34:17

have plenty of experience Guy

34:19

is a winner who carried

34:21

his team with the LSU

34:23

janitor for running backs after

34:26

all the injuries He needs

34:28

to rename himself Shaddour Listen

34:30

hype is real and media

34:32

hype is real and when

34:34

you are it's one thing

34:36

if you're like a Steph

34:39

Curry his dad was an

34:41

NBA player, but his dad

34:43

was Del Curry not Dr.

34:45

J or Michael Jordan, right? If

34:48

Steph Curry had been Michael Jordan's

34:50

son or Dr. J's son, the hype

34:52

on him coming out would have

34:54

been a lot crazier. He wouldn't have

34:56

been denied at Virginia Tech coming

34:58

out of high school and had to

35:01

go to Davidson just based on

35:03

name alone. And his dad was an

35:05

NBA player. So if

35:07

your dad's an NFL player, which

35:09

countless guys who are NFL NFL

35:11

sons that get drafted every single

35:13

year. But when you

35:15

are, he's not Peyton or Eli's son, but

35:17

when you are a manning and your

35:19

last name is football royalty, it

35:22

feels a little different. I would say

35:24

the same thing for Shaddur Sanders. His

35:26

dad isn't just one of the greatest players in the

35:28

history of the league. He's one of the greatest athletes

35:30

in the history of America. And

35:33

he's definitely one of the biggest

35:35

personalities to ever play pro sports. So

35:37

it just, it just creates something,

35:39

and I'll say this, Shadoor played well.

35:42

Well, Arch is gonna play in

35:44

a much more difficult conference than

35:46

Shadoor did, but who knows? Like

35:49

you said, Garrett Nussbaum's dad

35:51

also played in the NFL. He

35:53

coaches now in the NFL. But

35:55

if it was Garrett Brady, and he

35:57

was like Tom Brady's nephew, or

35:59

it was Garrett Farve, we'd probably

36:02

hype him up a lot more. Fair

36:04

or not. That's just part of

36:06

the deal. It really is if

36:08

I wasn't John middle cough, but

36:11

I was a John Let's say

36:13

I was John Francesa. It's like

36:15

that's Mike Frances's kid worked in

36:17

the NFL and I was a

36:19

podcast for coward I Bet I

36:21

would get discussed a little bit

36:24

differently than I do just it

36:26

comes with territory John Frances is

36:28

actually pretty solid name My twin

36:30

brother and I watch you Whenever

36:32

a new episode drops appreciate it.

36:35

I want to know what you

36:37

think about the Saints draft and

36:39

what we're gonna do next season

36:41

is drafting a quarterback still in

36:43

the cards I I text some

36:45

people Because again sometimes when you

36:48

have a bad exposure, I'm not

36:50

in the weeds like I used

36:52

to be so a lot of

36:54

my exposure comes on my couch

36:56

in the Saturdays the biggest games

36:58

and You know banks to me

37:01

I had would say

37:03

a lukewarm kind of first big exposure

37:05

to them in the Georgia game

37:07

and I have countless friends who like

37:09

that pick a lot so I

37:11

said listen they know what they're doing

37:13

and are on winning teams and

37:15

have won a lot in the league

37:17

so it's like people like that

37:19

pick no issue with that pick and

37:21

I am never anti taking offensive

37:23

linemen really high It's always going to

37:25

be the right move because when

37:27

you hit on it, no one ever

37:29

complains about having awesome tackles on

37:31

your team. I just can't

37:33

get behind the quarterback selection. I

37:36

think it's insane. Now, Derek

37:38

is leading some sermon the other

37:41

day talking about his shoulder bitching him

37:43

on about the media when it's

37:45

like, didn't your agent leak this bro?

37:48

Like, what are we even talking about?

37:50

I'm still a little confused by this

37:52

whole Derek Carr shoulder saga. He's

37:54

doing podcasts with his brother like, is your

37:56

shoulder fucked up? Is this all a ruse

37:58

because you're mad at team? Didn't they pay

38:00

you a ton of money to not play

38:02

that well? I just I'm done

38:04

kind of following the car St. Saga just

38:06

like is he on the team or

38:08

not? But I would

38:10

say the more and more that you

38:13

create problems They're just more Tyler

38:15

Shuck. He's probably started a quarterback

38:17

and Basically gets this year to prove

38:19

he's a starting quarterback or not

38:21

fair or not And

38:24

then depending on how it goes, you're

38:26

in the quarterback mix next year or

38:28

you just keep rolling with Shuck. I

38:31

do think it's crazy to draft

38:33

a player that is older than

38:35

Brock Purdy and who went to

38:37

prom with Brock Purdy. Like,

38:39

it's crazy. It really

38:41

is. Like, there are

38:43

some things that's like that visual of

38:45

him standing in his tucks next to

38:47

Brock Purdy. It's like, wait. They're

38:49

the same age. It's like, no. Yeah, Brock's

38:51

actually younger. So he hasn't Brock been in

38:54

the NFL for three years to starter. It's

38:56

like, oh, yeah, Annie was a four -year

38:58

college starter. It's like, yeah. That guy was

39:00

the backup for Justin Herbert. It's like, you

39:02

start doing the math. You're like, this is

39:04

insane. It's kind of

39:06

like the Belichick video. It's like, listen,

39:08

it can't be as crazy as everyone's

39:10

making it out to be. And then

39:12

you watch it, you're like, this is

39:14

insane. Did she really just

39:17

chime in like that and he went

39:19

quiet? Did I really just see

39:21

what everyone else saw? This is crazy.

39:24

Listen, we all do different things for

39:26

love. I never tried to judge a

39:28

person when it comes to their significant

39:30

other. But that

39:32

interaction of... And I

39:34

don't blame Bill for

39:37

dating someone 25. It's

39:39

easy for every old person like

39:41

someone should be dating your own age

39:43

like yeah You think Bill's gonna

39:46

be laying naked with a 73 year

39:48

old you're fucking out of your

39:50

mind But when you see that it's

39:52

like Jesus. This is this is

39:54

crazy. She is running the ship here

39:56

now Who knows what's going on

39:58

when the you know doors close and

40:01

lights are off and Bill's probably

40:03

having time of his life and good

40:05

for him good for him, but

40:07

that is something That's gonna be hard

40:09

to unsee that CBS viral clip

40:11

of her chiming in. That was crazy.

40:14

I can't unsee that in

40:16

my mind. Given

40:19

how the media, Stephen

40:21

A., Shannon, Mel

40:24

Kuiper, Lester Extent,

40:27

some other people are trying

40:29

to spin Chador's Fall all

40:31

about race and about some

40:33

Vandetta the league has against

40:35

Dion. Do you think Shador

40:37

will come away with the

40:39

right, accurate lesson from this

40:41

experience? I really

40:43

like Shador as a quarterback prospect. And

40:46

as a person, the bravado doesn't

40:48

bother me. I want him

40:50

to succeed. But my concern is that

40:52

he and his camp will not

40:54

take the proper lesson away from this

40:56

and instead blame others instead of

40:58

doing the proper amount of self -reflection. People

41:01

are saying maybe a little bit of humbling

41:03

was good for him. but I'm not convinced he

41:05

was humble. LOL. The

41:08

night he was drafted, he was at the Dallas

41:10

club partying and holding a suitcase of money. If

41:12

I were him and I just lost millions by

41:14

sliding to around five, I'd be at home. Figure

41:17

out what happened and how I was going to

41:19

take the preseason by storm. Well,

41:23

to be

41:25

humbled, I think

41:27

we throw that around, especially older people love

41:29

younger people when they get humbled. Like

41:32

ultimately to humble a human being,

41:34

If most of us lose a

41:36

bunch of money, like, if I

41:38

don't have a podcast tomorrow, like,

41:40

I don't do anything else. I

41:42

don't have some trust fund. I

41:45

don't have any money. I'd be in trouble. I'd

41:47

have to figure something out. Like,

41:49

this guy comes from a lot of money. I

41:52

mean, we just saw the contract de -unsigned.

41:54

Obviously, they are a very close -knit family, and Shador

41:56

has just made a lot of money the last

41:58

couple years. So, money to

42:01

this guy is not an

42:03

issue. He does not go

42:05

to bed at night like

42:07

a lot of people in

42:09

the draft and worry about

42:11

his financial future I think

42:13

that's fair to guess that

42:15

especially based on the club

42:17

after but in terms of

42:20

being humbled I Got no

42:22

clue. I it's impossible to

42:24

psychoanalyze Because if you just

42:26

watch like his reaction when

42:28

he jumped into the pool

42:31

He'd be like I actually thought he handled

42:33

it pretty well He just got drafted

42:35

in the fifth round and he was still

42:37

excited to be drafted. He thought it

42:39

was a cool moment He didn't now you

42:41

could also have said if he pouted

42:44

you would have thought like he would have

42:46

been pissed off. That's cool, too You

42:48

could nitpick anything he does and he is

42:50

by far the most nitpicked player That

42:52

I can remember in recent memory, especially when

42:54

you factor in he's a fifth round

42:56

guy I'm fascinated

42:59

what Deon's ultimately gonna say if

43:01

I was gonna guess I would say

43:03

that he will not like there's

43:05

not gonna be a lot of like

43:07

Accountability I would retract my statements

43:09

or retract the way if I advise

43:11

should do or to handle that

43:13

because there was a video that went

43:15

viral that Shiloh Was screaming at

43:17

Deon you screwed this up And who

43:19

knows maybe he told should do

43:21

or to act like this. I don't

43:23

know I'm kind of fascinated to

43:25

hear Deon if he's like you know,

43:27

not screwed around, like being serious

43:29

about it, what his thoughts on this

43:31

are. Because

43:34

I don't know, like, being humbled. At the

43:36

end of the day, humbled, not humbled, like, you

43:38

got to go and you got to compete

43:40

against NFL guys. And once camp

43:43

starts, they can't hit you

43:45

because you have a red jersey on,

43:47

but... Well, people like root for

43:49

others. NFL training camp

43:51

is kind of like a doggy dog.

43:54

I mean, it's kind of a fucking crazy place. There

43:56

are 90 guys that show up, you

43:58

know depending on your team There are

44:00

30 40 guys on scholarship and there

44:02

are a lot of people competing for

44:05

starting spots and backup jobs. I mean

44:07

it's kind of like You know only

44:09

the strong survive and Dylan Gabriel and

44:11

Kenny Pickett and these guys are desperately

44:13

trying to make the roster so I

44:15

It's gonna be fascinating all the Talk

44:17

about it. It's kind of irrelevant like

44:19

you're either gonna pick up the offense.

44:22

You're either gonna make plays you're either

44:24

gonna the coaches are going to trust you and

44:26

they're going to get behind you or they're not. And

44:28

you have the opportunity to

44:30

earn the right to be on

44:32

the team. And whether

44:35

that's the third string guy or the backup,

44:37

I think it's probably borderline impossible without injuries

44:39

to be the starter week one. But

44:41

there is 100 % possibility for

44:43

him and Dylan Gabriel competing. And

44:46

it'll probably start at the third and

44:48

then they'll probably transition those guys kind

44:51

of working toward the number two. You

44:53

play well. That's that's the best

44:56

part about football is all the

44:58

BS that's talked about You know

45:00

attitude and race and whatever on

45:02

these shows the last couple nights

45:04

none of that matters when the

45:06

pads come on and it's a

45:08

hundred degrees outside and Stefan ski

45:10

calls the play into Jim Schwartz

45:12

their defensive coordinator and on the

45:14

other side and they're running the

45:16

defense like you're either gonna complete

45:18

the passes make the plays make

45:20

the right checks or not None

45:22

of the shit that was said

45:24

from countless people last couple days

45:26

mean anything Nothing even his dad

45:28

can say means anything but I

45:30

think like You know it's crazy

45:32

as we've had a lot of

45:34

former players kids And I was

45:36

around him a lot like early

45:38

on in my radio career around

45:40

Stefan clay whose dads I mean

45:43

Clay's dad was kind of a legend

45:45

for I don't know the 80s

45:47

Lakers like played kind of a prominent

45:49

role is I think he's on

45:51

their radio team Michael Thompson and Steph's

45:53

dad was a longtime NBA player

45:55

and these guys just acted like that

45:58

there was a It was crazy

46:00

early on before they really blew up

46:02

to what they've become They were

46:04

just really normal and he's just get

46:06

along with and everyone liked him

46:08

and I do feel like most of

46:10

these guys that grew

46:12

up rich and's dads played

46:14

professional sports. Look at

46:16

Patrick Mahomes. They

46:18

actually feel like the easiest going

46:20

guys early on because they're most

46:22

comfortable in this environment. They're like

46:24

the most secure. And there's this

46:26

weird part about Shadoor of like, is

46:29

he just copying his dad? I

46:32

would imagine if you could get a lot of, and

46:35

I mean, I like most

46:37

kids. I mean, I love the

46:39

49ers and when they signed Dion Sanders, they won

46:41

a Super Bowl in 1994. Dion

46:43

Sanders was one of the

46:45

coolest players by far of my

46:47

childhood. Everyone liked Dion Sanders. In

46:50

talk, he never shut up, but

46:52

he was fucking like the most dominant player

46:54

in the league. We started dancing

46:56

at like the 30 yard line. No

46:58

one cared. You know why? Because he was going the other way

47:00

with the ball in his hands about to score a touchdown because he

47:03

had just picked off the quarterback. Like

47:05

no one cares about bravado and

47:07

that type stuff when you back it

47:09

up But when you bring a

47:11

lot of that and people think that

47:13

you're not as good as the

47:15

way you carry yourself People kind of

47:17

think you're a loser. That's part

47:19

of it. Everyone's like people don't like

47:21

the bravado Well, yeah, we have

47:23

never liked big bravado on people that

47:25

can't back it up Michael Jordan

47:27

and Tiger Woods and Tom Brady they

47:29

can carry themselves kind of however

47:31

they want It's much more difficult

47:33

for Kirk Cousins if you wanted to

47:35

carry himself like that, right? King

47:38

Griffey Jr. and Barry Bonds carry themselves

47:40

a little bit different than the utility

47:42

infielder. Now, who knows? Maybe

47:44

Shaddour is really good in the NFL. We're going to

47:47

find out. But I talked

47:49

about this yesterday, like, the Big

47:51

12 sucks. We got to

47:53

acknowledge that. The Big 12 is not viewed

47:55

as like big -time football. It's

47:57

kind of a joke. I mean, just

47:59

look at all the guys that were drafted. If he

48:01

had done what he did the SEC, you

48:03

couldn't even pretend that he wasn't a first

48:05

-round pick. If he had played the exact

48:07

same way and produced the same numbers in

48:09

the SEC, you would have had to

48:11

take him as a first -round pick, no matter whether you

48:13

liked his attitude or not. But

48:16

like, I think a lot of people look at it like, you

48:18

weren't playing any NFL players. This

48:21

conference is an embarrassment. It's

48:24

not like you're playing Texas and Oklahoma and A

48:26

&M anymore. They long gone. So

48:28

I think there are a lot of

48:30

different factors and variables But I think

48:32

we also have to acknowledge that if

48:34

you act really really cocky, right? It's

48:36

like a girl that carries herself like

48:38

she's You know the hottest thing in

48:40

the room if you look at her

48:42

like she's a five Everyone's kind of

48:45

making fun of her and I think

48:47

a lot of NFL people viewed this

48:49

guy. I honestly I didn't even ask

48:51

that much about it If one big

48:53

regret I've had you know, I would

48:55

say the last couple days Not

48:57

spending more time. I just assumed

48:59

he was gonna be people just weren't

49:01

even talking about him That's what's

49:03

crazy is we're spending so much time

49:05

talking about him right now I

49:07

actually don't think teams wasted that much

49:09

time on him over the last

49:11

couple months once they interacted with him

49:14

once they're like, yeah, we're not

49:16

that interested I think we myself Everyone

49:18

talking about them fans Are way

49:20

more invested than the league was and

49:22

that's all that matters and I've

49:24

said this forever like I

49:26

really like doing this and it's cool.

49:28

We got a big audience and able

49:31

to make a living off this and

49:33

My opinions are just this entertainment like

49:35

my job is not to pick the

49:37

actual players Sometimes people come at me

49:39

like, you know, you're a know -it -all.

49:41

You know, I'm just giving my opinion

49:43

on the move But my job is

49:45

not to actually make the move, right?

49:48

So if the Travis Hunter trade up

49:50

for Gladstone blows up in his face

49:52

like He was the decision -maker

49:54

that his job is that I've been

49:56

over the years had GM's get

49:58

mad at me, right? It's like well

50:00

my job and your job are different

50:02

You just won five games. You did

50:05

a shitty job. I'm not acting like

50:07

like I would be able to dominate

50:09

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50:11

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50:13

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50:15

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50:18

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50:20

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50:22

worlds kind of collide, their job is just

50:24

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50:26

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50:28

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get your podcasts. Is

54:42

K .M. Ward the least talked about number

54:44

one pick in the history the draft? I

54:47

feel kind of badly for him as

54:49

he deserves some attention and credit for all

54:51

the work he put in. Also, what

54:53

are the realistic expectations for the Titans? Could

54:56

they make a run at the division?

54:58

I think six or seven wins, but Will

55:00

Levis also gave away games last year

55:02

that they probably could have won. Yeah,

55:05

mean, I think if he's good, I don't

55:07

see why they couldn't, you know, compete to

55:09

win seven or eight. Their defense

55:11

was really good last year, at least until like

55:13

halfway through the season, you just run out of

55:15

juice. Like, how am I going to play defense

55:17

with Will Levis at quarterback? But,

55:19

you know, if offensively, he's just

55:21

a solid player. They could

55:24

be way more competitive than they

55:26

were last year and they were competitive

55:28

early on. Will Evans was just

55:30

a joke. So I'd be pretty bullish

55:32

on the Titans and I don't

55:34

even think it's close. I

55:36

don't think we'll ever see again

55:38

a number one overall quarterback

55:40

feel more relevant. And

55:42

this is I wasn't watching ESPN

55:45

on it would have been Thursday

55:47

night. But I guess did Mel

55:49

Kuiper just go into a rant

55:51

immediately about Shadoor Sanders? So

55:54

I've seen Cam Ward interviewed a bunch.

55:56

We had Dickard on as former coach

55:58

at Washington State. Seems like a really

56:00

good guy. I know people with the

56:02

Titans, they really like him. So

56:04

if I was a Titans fan, I'd be pretty excited. I

56:06

guess there's nothing more fun than

56:08

getting a high picket quarterback, knowing he's

56:10

going to start and also knowing

56:12

he's got like the ability, like a

56:15

big arm. Let's see what we

56:17

got now. I'd be excited if I

56:19

was a Titan fan playoff seems

56:21

a little bold, but definitely a competitive

56:23

I Think seven to eight wins

56:25

is realistic I'm the biggest Herbert fan

56:27

you'll meet but no excuses this

56:29

year. We've got to win a playoff

56:31

game or two I can't wait

56:33

to see what year two looks like

56:36

with hardball totally agree. I

56:38

Totally agree. I think

56:40

it's I Think the expectation

56:42

would be feeling

56:45

pretty good about by the time the playoffs

56:47

start, like we can make the ASC championship game.

56:51

And I think it's fair going into the season,

56:53

like, can we win this division? Have

56:56

we shrunk the gap? Can

56:59

we beat the chiefs in a regular season game?

57:01

Can we win this division and get a home playoff

57:03

game? But luckily, the

57:05

way they play is always going to translate on the

57:07

road. But winning

57:09

playoff games 100

57:11

percent. The last three

57:13

draft locations have been Green Bay,

57:16

Detroit and KC. Next year's draft will

57:18

be in Pittsburgh. The

57:20

last two Super Bowl locations have been New

57:22

Orleans and Vegas. The next three are

57:24

San Fran, Los Angeles

57:26

and Atlanta. Is it

57:28

a deliberate strategy to give Super Bowls

57:30

two supposedly cool cities and give the

57:32

draft to blue collar working class cities?

57:34

Would love to hear your thoughts. Well,

57:38

you can't have the Super Bowl in Green Bay

57:40

or Kansas City. Right, I

57:42

mean technically you could but

57:44

you're not gonna play the Super

57:46

Bowl in a game potentially

57:48

negative one degree or ten

57:51

degrees or snowing or sleep They

57:53

don't want to do that.

57:55

So part of the reason

57:57

when you look at where

57:59

the Super Bowl is played

58:01

Arizona Vegas Miami, New Orleans, Atlanta

58:03

either in domes or warmer

58:05

weather climate climates, Los Angeles,

58:07

San Francisco they want the

58:09

sun out if the game's outside. Forever,

58:12

when I was a kid, they used to

58:14

play at Arizona State Stadium. They used to

58:16

play at Stanford Stadium. Like, they want it

58:18

in a nice climate if it's going to

58:20

be outdoors. You just can't

58:22

have the Super Bowl in Pittsburgh

58:25

in the first week of February. You

58:27

can't do it. And they're

58:30

not going to do it because

58:32

the other thing is... The football

58:34

wise technically you could it probably

58:36

no one wants to watch that

58:38

type game, right? If it's freezing

58:40

cold no one can catch but

58:42

it's also about the week and

58:44

that week is really about The

58:47

corporate clients that the NFL has

58:49

the people they're in business with

58:51

all the different companies. It's like

58:53

the leagues convention We all depending

58:55

on what we do go to

58:57

different conventions, right or meetings that

58:59

that's essentially the leagues So

59:01

for their business partners where the

59:03

the combine is like for the teams

59:06

and the players the Super Bowl

59:08

is really about the business of the

59:10

NFL and people are more inclined

59:12

to I would just say go to

59:14

the places where they have it

59:16

because it's nice weather and I think

59:18

that they really just give the

59:20

draft Two places that are never gonna

59:22

get Super Bowls So I think

59:24

that's why they're doing it. I

59:27

Don't think it's necessarily about

59:30

blue collar cities I mean, if

59:32

Green Bay was beautiful in the spring, I think they

59:34

would have. I also don't

59:36

think I've never been there, but do

59:38

they have the infrastructure for hotels and

59:40

stuff, for fans? I

59:42

think that plays a part. But

59:46

it's 95 % the

59:48

weather. Last

59:52

question. As a Titans fan, I probably

59:54

am a little biased, but I just

59:56

find it crazy how little coverage Cam

59:58

is getting. I totally get Shador is

1:00:01

a Sanders and him slipping in the

1:00:03

draft is going to dominate the coverage.

1:00:05

But then I see more coverage on

1:00:07

Jalen Milrow and Dylan Gabriel and try

1:00:09

to understand why. It feels

1:00:11

like Cam is the least talked about. Well,

1:00:14

the reason that Jalen Milrow and

1:00:16

Dylan Gabriel, when they get

1:00:19

drafted, get so much more discussion

1:00:21

than Cam is because they're

1:00:23

directly connected now to Shador. Because

1:00:25

they are part of the story of

1:00:27

guys drafted above him. So

1:00:29

if they are independent and have

1:00:31

nothing to do with Shaddur We

1:00:34

wouldn't spend any time on them

1:00:36

either Which again like I'm not

1:00:38

proud of this But this is

1:00:40

one of the biggest stories in

1:00:42

the history of the draft It

1:00:44

really is because sometimes like you

1:00:46

think about Tebow that went in

1:00:49

the 20s you think about Roger

1:00:51

that went in the 20s you

1:00:53

think about when Jordan Love was

1:00:55

taken to the Packers with Aaron

1:00:57

Rodgers was a huge story. There's

1:01:01

usually not an individual

1:01:03

like this that goes round

1:01:05

after round after round

1:01:07

that has the fame of

1:01:10

this individual. It's led by

1:01:12

his dad, who's I would say

1:01:14

Dion Sanders is just on the short list

1:01:16

of famous players in the history of

1:01:18

the sport. And he's added to that, right?

1:01:20

He's he was a big media star

1:01:22

once his career ended. He then

1:01:24

became a college coach. He coached

1:01:26

his son. It's

1:01:29

like a

1:01:32

movie script, how

1:01:34

all the different angles here, all

1:01:36

the different guys Dion knows and has played

1:01:38

with. He had been started to

1:01:40

get rumored, I would say, over the last

1:01:42

year to SEC schools, then even the NFL. His

1:01:46

son, fair or not, through

1:01:48

the media hype was discussed.

1:01:50

With cam ward throughout the season

1:01:52

as the best quarterbacks and

1:01:54

then once the process started I

1:01:57

clearly cam. I mean,

1:01:59

I I don't think the Titans

1:02:01

Deliberated much on this decision

1:02:03

for the last couple months,

1:02:05

but yeah, it sucks now part

1:02:07

of it You know Jags

1:02:09

fans sometimes fire fire into

1:02:11

my DMs and get mad at

1:02:14

me say I'm too dismissive

1:02:16

of the organization There's something

1:02:18

about the division that it's like

1:02:20

you guys from a rating

1:02:22

standpoint and importance of the

1:02:24

league standpoint. If the

1:02:26

Dallas Cowboys had had the number one pick and

1:02:28

not the Titans and they had drafted Cam Ward, I

1:02:30

do think it would have been a little different. But

1:02:33

let's face it, the lead up to the draft would have

1:02:35

been like, do they take the on Sanders kid? So

1:02:38

Cam was just in one of those positions. Me

1:02:40

personally, like my personality,

1:02:43

especially at a young age, I would kind of enjoy

1:02:45

it. It's like I kind of get to fly

1:02:47

under the radar a little bit. No, everyone's kind of

1:02:49

leaving me alone. I just have to impress the

1:02:52

people I have to impress. But I don't have to

1:02:54

turn on television every day and they're talking about

1:02:56

how am I going to be a bust? Am

1:02:58

I am I going to be like these

1:03:00

other former Titans quarterbacks that were drafted high

1:03:03

like Mariota and Vince Young and Jake Locker

1:03:05

that failed? So I actually

1:03:07

think he's in a pretty good

1:03:09

spot in terms of the pressure,

1:03:11

the outside pressure, clearly the media

1:03:13

pressure and just the overall pressure

1:03:15

like Think about going into training

1:03:17

camp. He

1:03:20

is he is not going to be talked about.

1:03:23

I mean, it's not going to be close. Shador

1:03:25

is going to be the most talked about rookie

1:03:27

quarterback in training camp. Every pass he throws in

1:03:29

practice will go viral on Twitter and Instagram. I

1:03:32

would say anytime they're like, hey, Jalen

1:03:34

Milrow, he's getting some reps with the

1:03:36

twos. It's like they're going to have

1:03:38

packages for Jalen Milrow. He'll

1:03:40

get talked about a lot. So

1:03:42

I. In a weird way,

1:03:44

Cam Ward is the number one overall

1:03:46

pick. Gets the distinction

1:03:49

of I was the first pick of the

1:03:51

NFL draft. Two, I make

1:03:53

the most money of every guy drafted. Three,

1:03:55

I'm going to be the immediate

1:03:58

starter. I ain't battling anyone for

1:04:00

the job. It's mine. And

1:04:02

no one's talking about me. So I

1:04:04

think he's in a pretty good spot. Other

1:04:07

than that, I think I said

1:04:09

Tez Walker to Colin and Colin looked

1:04:11

at me kind of weird. It

1:04:13

was the wide receiver from Oregon, who's

1:04:15

like 150 pounds, who Bonix's family

1:04:17

adopted. They played high school football

1:04:19

together and then he transferred to Oregon

1:04:21

a couple years ago. Let's

1:04:24

Ted Johnson, who I

1:04:26

liked and who is a good, good

1:04:28

deep threat. He's just skinny, which I'm

1:04:30

jealous. I wish I had his waistline,

1:04:32

but I actually kind of liked that

1:04:34

pick in the seventh round, but I

1:04:36

misspoke a couple days ago when I

1:04:38

was on with Colin and said he

1:04:41

was Tez. Walker

1:04:43

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1:04:45

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1:04:47

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