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What's up, everyone, and welcome back

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to the program. As

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we all know at this point, the house

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at eleven twenty two King Road

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is set to be demolished after

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possession of the property was taken

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over by the University of Idaho.

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But one of the main reasons why they

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plan on demolishing the house is

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because of a phenomenon called

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true crime tourism. And we have

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already seen people going to this

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house, making videos, TikTok

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dance videos, all kinds of

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stupid ass stuff. So the goal

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is 527. Right? Get rid of

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this place where these horrible murders

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occurred, and at the same time, not

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give any of these weirdos a

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reason to come to Moscow to hang

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out, loiter, and lurk around this

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house. I'm sure the residents who

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live near here don't wanna deal with that.

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So like I've said previously, I think

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raising this house is the best option.

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You're not gonna rent it out to any college kids.

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That's for damn sure. I mean, maybe you

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can get one of these true crime tourists to

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move in there. But short of that, I don't think

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anybody is jumping at the chance

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to move into the eleven twenty two

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King Road home. So when we

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got the news that they were going to demolish

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it, I thought that was a good idea.

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And I said the same thing about Epstein's houses.

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If I had the money to buy those bad boys,

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I'd buy all of them. And knock them down,

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every last one of them. And from the

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ashes like the 527, something

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new would rise. But I would never

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ever live in those properties where

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this sort of thing took place. So

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today's article is from Newsweek and

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the headline, Idaho murders how

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set to be demolished awmade true

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crime tourism. And I think that

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had a lot to do with it. The fact

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that people were coming out here to this house already,

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can you imagine what it'll be like later

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on? People coming in droves

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and the community of Moscow, they

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definitely don't want it. We saw how the

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owner of the mad Greek reacted when

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people were asking her questions going to her

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restaurant, you really think they want

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people lurking around town hanging out

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at this house doing their dumbass TikTok

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dances, zero chance. This

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article was authored by Kaleedha Rockman.

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The House where 527 University of Idaho

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students were stabbed to death in November will

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be raised amid a rise in true crime

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tourists visiting the area. The

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university announced on Friday that

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the owner of the home in Moscow had

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offered it to the university and

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it had accepted. And if I was

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the owner of this home, not only because

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of the tragedy would I wanna get rid of it,

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but imagine the liability of all

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these idiots hanging out on or near your

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property, one of them falls, gets hurt.

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I could see the lawsuits coming now. The

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house will be demolished. University president,

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Skye, Green said in a memo to students and

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employees, this is a healing step

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and removes the physical structure where

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the crime that shook our community was

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committed. Demolition also

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removes efforts to further sensationalize the

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crime scene. And I think that plays a big

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part in all of this. They don't

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want this eyesore in the community. The

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last thing they want is to be reminded

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time and time again about what happened.

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University spokesperson Jody Walker

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told the Idaho Statesman that the university

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is working with students and other community

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members to come up with a plan for

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the property's future development that

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would honor the Sling students. Kelly

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Gonzalez, Madison Mogan, Santa

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Cernodel, and Ethan Chaplin. And

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having a memorial is a good idea. Right?

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A nice memorial, some, you know,

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reflective pool, something like that,

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a place where the community and

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family and friends of the deceased can

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go and remember them. A

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timeline hasn't been set, but

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the plan is to have the house knocked down

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by the end of the current semester. Walker

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said, Since then, a

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petition has been launched calling on the university

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to preserve the property. All

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of the victims had fun and made memories

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in that house and likely wouldn't want

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their house destroyed. The petitioner's

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organizer David Knits wrote. Knits

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has been contacted for comment

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yo, people pick up the baton for

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some weird ass causes. Like, why would

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anyone want this house preserved? It's

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not like it was their childhood home, This

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was a a house they were renting while they were

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in college. Sure. Some memories were

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made here, but really do any of those

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memories, the good ones? Outweigh

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the horrible situation that occurred

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on November thirteenth. Pretty

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sure nobody wants this building here

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anymore, mister Knits. And my guess is

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David Knits probably isn't from

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the Moscow area. 527

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students were found dead on the second and third

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floors of the house, in the early hours

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of November thirteenth. Gonzales,

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Morgan and Bernodel, live there

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with two other roommates who survived and

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Chaplin, Konradil's boyfriend, was

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visiting. In late December,

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a suspect was arrested, Brian Colberger,

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then a PhD student in criminology

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at Washington State University in

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nearby pullman and has been

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charged with four counts of first

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degree murder and one count

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of felony burglary. He

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hasn't yet entered a plea, but a lawyer

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who previously represented him in Pennsylvania

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said he was eager to be exonerated.

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As police worked to hone in on a suspect,

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the murders gripped Internet sleuths who

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posted theories online. Some

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fascinated by the case, even traveled

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to Moscow to get a glimpse of the house

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located near the University campus.

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Multiple people have been taking photos

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of the King Roadhouse in recent days

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according to News Nation. And there's

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always gonna be that. We saw the same

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thing at Epstein's house in

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New York, tons of people out there

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taking pictures, doing all of that.

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But this is a very small community in Moscow.

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And whereas the Jeffrey Epstein home

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is a hundred million dollar house This

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is a little different. They can raise this

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to the ground and be done with it

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and not have to think about it ever again.

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And that's exactly what they're going to do.

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Visitors have long descended on sites

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associated with violent crimes, a

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phenomenon now known as dark

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tourism. Sadly, sites of murder

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have long attracted tourists to the Morbid

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onlooker, 527 Stone executive director

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of the Institute for Dark Tourism

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Research at the University of Central

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Lancashire in the UK. Told

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Newsweek, he pointed as far

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back as the Jack the Ripper killings in

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London in eighteen eighty eight

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when enterprising landlords charge

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visitors to view the corpse of one

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of the victims. Now look, if the

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owner of a home wants to do that, I'm

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certainly not gonna tell them not to. That's

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their business. But I'm certainly not

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going to use their services. I have no

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desire to go to these houses. What's the point?

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Am I gonna do? Sit there and Google at it.

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More recently, a Netflix show about

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serial killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, prompted

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some to visit his childhood home. Again,

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this dude's accountable who is eating

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people, holding people hostage. Why

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do you want to go see his home? Pictures

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aren't good 527, seeing it on TV. That

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doesn't cut it. You have to actually go there

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where a bunch of people were not only

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murdered, but eaten. I don't get

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the draw, 527. I just don't get it. Then

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again, maybe it's not for me to get.

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I have to remind myself that not everything

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is for everybody. And not everybody

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is going to conduct themselves the way

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you or I would. In

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a contemporary world, that is interconnected

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by social media and where a big brother's

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surveillance is often carried

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out by the masses on their smartphones

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We wanna capture fatality moments.

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Stone said, and that's true. How

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many times do you see a fight breakout? And

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someone's getting jumped or whatever? And

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people just whip out their phones. When I was

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growing up, there sure were a bunch of fights like

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we see in these videos. There's no doubt

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about that. But usually they'd

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be broken up before they accelerated

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to the level that we see some of these

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fights accelerating to. And

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a lot of that has to do with the lookie

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Lou type of society that we're in.

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Oh, let me get this video so I can try

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and get some clicks. True

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crime tourism. Reasons for

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doing so will be as diverse and

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contentious, as the people

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who make these pilgrimage like trips to

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sites of pain and shame. So

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called true crime tourism, will happen

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as people mediate their

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own sense of mortality at sites of

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fatality and ponder their

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own life worlds. Yeah, I don't need

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to go to a murder site to do that. I

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mean, you have to go to a place where there was

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a brutal murder to be reflective

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and contemplate on your own mortality?

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For many people, we no longer turn

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to the priests or other religious leaders

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for moral guidance, but to the internet.

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We seek morality on our own terms.

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Oh yeah, the Internet. That's exactly

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where we should be looking to find out what's

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moral and what's not. We

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live in an information age and an

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age of exposure where data is

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the no longer the preserve of

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the institution. Such as governments,

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journalism, the church, or academia.

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Instead, ordinary people often

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treat information as knowledge without

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the resources or intellectual capacity

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to critically compare and contrast.

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Consequently, we 527 for meaning to

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events that perturb the collective

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consciousness. To that end, we often

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undertake dark tourism and

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sightseeing the mansions of the dead

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searching for our heritage that

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hurts. A five day preliminary

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hearing for Colburger is scheduled

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to begin on June twenty

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six. So that shit is just

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all bizarre to me. And I'm glad

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that they're knocking down this house to

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avoid having all of these knuckleheads

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show up for this silly ass dark tourism.

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And you know somebody would be profiting from it,

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somebody will have some shirts, something like that.

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So it's nice to see that day stop that before

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it could even begin. And instead of having

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that house there, that elicits all

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kinds of bad memories. Instead, There

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will be a memorial where people can

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go and remember the lives

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of the students who were murdered. And for

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me, I think that's the best way to utilize

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this property. Alright, 527.

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That's gonna do it for this one. All of the

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