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Ever wondered why Alexa
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can order pizza
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but can't help you
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fix your love life?
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Today, we're uncovering why
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some AI feels brilliant,
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yet bafflingly
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limited, and why the
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future might hold
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machines that could outsmart
0:23
Einstein himself. Buckle up. You
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of AI-powered product management. AI evolves
1:07
and so does this podcast. All
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right listeners, today's episode comes
1:11
with a bit of a twist.
1:13
If you've been with us for
1:15
a while, you might remember we covered
1:18
this topic before. But just like AI
1:20
itself, we've upgraded. This is a
1:22
repost, but now powered by ChatGPT
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4.5, which means sharper insights, better
1:26
storytelling, and a whole lot more
1:28
fun. The old episode was great,
1:31
but this one? Oh, it's on
1:33
another level. AI keeps improving, and
1:35
so does this podcast. So sit
1:37
back, relax, and enjoy this brand
1:39
new take on an essential AI
1:42
topic. Narrow AI versus General AI
1:44
versus Super Intelligent AI. Let's get into
1:46
it. Welcome back,
1:48
listeners, to another electrifying episode of
1:51
a beginner's guide to AI with
1:53
me, Professor Giffart, your cheerful guide
1:55
through the madly fascinating universe of
1:58
artificial intelligence. Now grab yourself. you
2:00
ever wondered why series seems brilliant
2:02
when it sets your alarm but
2:05
hilariously useless when you ask one
2:07
of the most essential distinctions in
2:09
AI the three fundamental types narrow
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AI general AI and the tantalizing
2:14
yet slightly terrifying super intelligent AI
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have you ever wondered why series
2:18
seems brilliant when it sets your
2:20
alarm but hilariously useless when you
2:23
ask it for love advice Or
2:25
why the smartest AI systems that
2:27
beat chess masters at their own
2:29
game still can't figure out how
2:31
to tie shoelaces? Well today, we're
2:34
lifting the lid on exactly that.
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Why some AI feels almost magical
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in one area, yet completely duffed
2:40
in others. And how future AI
2:43
might just become smarter than every
2:45
single one of us put together.
2:47
Yes, even your clever cousin Tim,
2:49
who always wins pub quizzes. We're
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going to clear up the confusion
2:54
around AI types once and for
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all. We'll start by unpacking narrow
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AI, the genius specialist who's outstanding
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at specific tasks but utterly hopeless
3:03
outside its comfort zone. Think Alexa
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or your Netflix recommendations. Next we'll
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zoom out to General AI, that
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mythical human-like intelligence capable of figuring
3:12
things out across multiple domains. The
3:14
digital Einstein we've dreamt about but
3:16
haven't quite met yet. And finally,
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we'll dare to peer into the
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intriguing but potentially unsettling future of
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superintelligent AI. Machines so smart they
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make Einstein himself full of like
3:27
he's fumbling with basic maths. And
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don't worry, we'll keep it jargon-free,
3:32
deliciously simple, and sprinkle generously with
3:34
the kind of humour that makes
3:36
you laugh out loud on public
3:39
transport. If you're ready to become
3:41
the smartest person at your next
3:43
dinner party, or at least sound
3:45
like one... Stick around, because today's
3:48
journey into AI might just blow
3:50
your mind a tiny bit. Why
4:00
Siri can't do your taxes?
4:02
Narrow General and super intelligent
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AI explained. Now before we
4:06
get all fancy and futuristic,
4:08
let's quickly nail down exactly
4:10
what we mean when we
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talk about the different types
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of AI. The whole AI
4:16
thing can feel a bit
4:18
overwhelming sometimes. Trust me, even
4:20
professors occasionally feel like screaming
4:22
into a pillow when new
4:24
AI terminology pops up. But
4:26
fear not, we're here to
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make it crystal clear. First
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up, narrow AI. Sometimes called
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weak AI. Weak weak AI.
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But don't let that term
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fool you. Narrow doesn't mean
4:39
daft. It just means specialized.
4:41
Think of Narrow AI as
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your friend Pete, who's an
4:45
absolute genius at fixing bikes
4:47
but can barely boil an
4:49
egg without setting the kitchen
4:51
on fire. Narrow AI is
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exceptionally skilled, but limited to
4:55
specific tasks it's been explicitly
4:57
designed or trained for. Siri
4:59
is great at scheduling your
5:01
calendar, but would probably have
5:03
a meltdown if you asked
5:05
it to cook a Sunday
5:07
roast. Similarly... Alexa is fabulous
5:09
at playing your favorite tunes
5:11
or ordering takeaway, but might
5:13
draw a blank if asked
5:15
to predict the weather three
5:17
months from now. In short,
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narrow AI dominates our daily
5:21
life already. It's behind the
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recommendation systems on Netflix, the
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chat bots on your favorite
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shopping websites, or the impressive
5:29
photo recognition features on your
5:31
smartphone. But each of these
5:34
is highly specialized. performing its
5:36
tasks superbly, while clueless about
5:38
anything beyond its programming. They're
5:40
powerful, they're useful, but they're
5:42
absolutely rubbish at transferring their
5:44
knowledge to tasks they haven't
5:46
specifically been trained for. Moving
5:48
swiftly along, next up is
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General AI, or AGI. General
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AI is basically the AI
5:54
equivalent of your annoyingly talented
5:56
friend Sarah, who can effortlessly
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switch between writing brilliant poetry.
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cooking gourmet meals, and beating
6:02
everyone at trivia night without
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missing a beat. General AI
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represents the holy grail of
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artificial intelligence. A machine that
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can think, reason and adapt
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across various domains and tasks,
6:14
just like us humans. However,
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here's the catch. Despite decades
6:18
of research, General AI is
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still largely theoretical, still beyond
6:22
our reach. Creating a system
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capable of truly human level
6:26
intelligence, complete with our ability
6:28
to understand context, make abstract
6:30
connections, and learn effortlessly from
6:32
limited data, is incredibly complicated.
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Right now, General AI remains
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more science fiction than reality.
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But make no mistake, it's
6:41
a vision that researchers are
6:43
actively chasing. And now, dear
6:45
listeners, let's get to the
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big one. The jaw-dropping, eyebrow-raising,
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goose-bump-inducing topic of Super Intelligent
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A. If General AI is
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the cleverest person you know,
6:55
then Super Intelligent AI is
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like having all of humanity's
6:59
collective wisdom packed into one
7:01
extraordinary brain. only multiplied by
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a billion. It's the kind
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of intelligence so advanced that
7:07
it would leave humanity in
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the dust, intellectually speaking. A
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super intelligent AI might, hypothetically,
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cure diseases in moments, solve
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previously unsolvable scientific mysteries, or
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even predict complex social phenomena
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years in advance. Pretty amazing,
7:21
right? But, and here's the
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twist that makes this so
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exciting and terrifying. Such incredible
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intelligence raises serious sobering questions.
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If an AI becomes far
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smarter than humans, how do
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we ensure it aligns with
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our human values? How do
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we avoid becoming the equivalent
7:40
of a pet goldfish in
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an AI-controlled world? These questions
7:44
aren't just mind-bending puzzles. They're
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real ethical dilemmas currently being
7:48
debated by experts around the
7:50
globe. You might think this
7:52
sounds dramatic, but consider that
7:54
some of humanity's smartest minds,
7:56
from the late Stephen Hawking
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to tech giants like Elon
8:00
Musk, have warned about the
8:02
potential dangers of uncontrolled super
8:04
intelligent AI. As fascinating and
8:06
revolutionary as super intelligent... intelligent
8:08
AI could be, it's crucial
8:10
we tread carefully, building in
8:12
safety measures and ethical considerations
8:14
from the very start. So
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there you have it. Three
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clear categories, neatly laid out
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like a digital buffet. You've
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got narrow AI, the expert
8:24
can't multitask, general AI, the
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promising all-rounder who's still getting
8:28
their act together, and super
8:30
intelligent AI, the hypothetical genius
8:32
who might just change everything
8:35
we know about life, the
8:37
universe, the universe, the universe,
8:39
the universe, Everything. Armed with
8:41
this knowledge, you're officially ahead
8:43
of the curve, understanding a
8:45
crucial distinction that's not just
8:47
technical jargon, but genuinely critical
8:49
to our collective future. Not
8:51
bad for a quick podcast,
8:53
listen, eh? Imagine for a
8:55
moment that you're entering a
8:57
baking contest, because frankly, who
8:59
doesn't love a good cake?
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Let's use baking as a
9:03
tasty analogy to simplify this
9:05
whole narrow versus general versus
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super intelligent AI business. First
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up, narrow AI is like
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your aunt Mabel, who's incredible
9:13
at baking one very specific
9:15
cake. Let's say lemon drizzle.
9:17
Aunt Mabel's lemon drizzle is
9:19
award-winning, sublime, absolutely unbeatable. But
9:21
here's the snag. Ask her
9:23
to whip up a red
9:25
velvet or baked bread, and
9:27
Aunt Mabel stares at you
9:29
blankly, flower-covered and baffled. She's
9:31
brilliant at precisely one thing,
9:33
and that's exactly how narrow
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AI works. It can masterfully
9:38
perform specific tasks, like recognizing
9:40
faces in photos or translating
9:42
Spanish into English, but step
9:44
even slightly outside its expertise,
9:46
and it flounders. No generalization,
9:48
no adaptation. Then we've got
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General Aé. which is essentially
9:52
your mate Oliver who's versatile
9:54
enough to run an entire
9:56
bakery. Oliver understands not just
9:58
how to bake cakes, but
10:00
how baking works overall. He
10:02
can follow recipes, invent new
10:04
ones, adapt when ingredients run
10:06
out, or even switch from
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pastries to pizzas on demand.
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General AI is like Oliver.
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It's flexible, adaptable, and capable
10:14
of figuring out entirely new
10:16
tasks on the fly, not
10:18
stuck with one predefined skill
10:20
set. Oliver's bakery thrives because
10:22
he can handle any baking-related
10:24
challenge that pops up. He
10:26
thinks reasons and solves problems
10:28
across different areas, just as
10:30
General AI would in broader
10:32
scenarios scenarios in broader scenarios
10:34
in broader scenarios in broader
10:37
scenarios in broader scenarios. And
10:39
finally we have super intelligent
10:41
AI. Imagine Mary Berry herself
10:43
stepping into the kitchen. Not
10:45
just baking, but writing cookbooks,
10:47
judging competitions, mentoring, revolutionizing the
10:49
baking world, and even influencing
10:51
cooking culture worldwide. She's not
10:53
limited to understanding baking. She
10:55
redefines what baking even means.
10:57
Super intelligent AI is Mary
10:59
Bury on turbo charge, capable
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of expanding beyond all known
11:03
culinary limits, creating entirely new
11:05
foods, flavors, and culinary concepts
11:07
beyond her imagination. And there
11:09
we have it. AI explained
11:11
deliciously through cakes. Siri, our
11:13
lemon drizzle specialist, shines brilliantly
11:15
at specific tasks, but has
11:17
limits. Oliver General AI is
11:19
adaptable, flexible, able to handle
11:21
multiple tasks, but is still
11:23
learning. And Mary Bury, our
11:25
super intelligent AI, represents an
11:27
awe-inspiring level of mastery that
11:29
could change everything we know,
11:31
for better or worse. So,
11:33
hungry yet for more? All
11:35
right, listeners, now let's dive
11:38
into a real-life case study
11:40
that's got drama, suspense, and
11:42
just enough nerdiness to impress
11:44
your friends at the pub
11:46
this weekend. We're stepping back
11:48
into the year 2011, a
11:50
time when IBM unleashed a
11:52
supercomputer named Watson onto the
11:54
American quiz show Jeopardy. Imagine
11:56
this, on one side you've
11:58
got Ken Jennings and Brad
12:00
Rutter, two human champions with
12:02
unbeatable records, confident smiles and
12:04
lightning-fast buzzer fingers. On the
12:06
other side there's Watson, IBM's
12:08
artificially intelligent system, no eyes,
12:10
no ears, just humming quietly
12:12
as it processes data at
12:14
blistering speeds. This was narrow
12:16
AI at its absolute best.
12:18
A carefully crafted specialist designed
12:20
specifically to excel at understanding
12:22
complex natural language questions and
12:24
responding rapidly with pinpoint accuracy.
12:26
Watson didn't merely memorize answers.
12:28
It analyzed questions, understood subtle
12:30
meanings, and picked responses from
12:32
millions of documents in a
12:34
split second. The result? Watson
12:37
didn't just win. It absolutely
12:39
smashed the competition. leaving everyone
12:41
stunned, including Jennings, who humorously
12:43
remarked afterward, I for one
12:45
welcome our new computer overlords.
12:47
But here's the interesting twist.
12:49
Watson's impressive victory didn't mean
12:51
it was truly intelligent in
12:53
a human sense. Ask Watson
12:55
how to scramble an egg,
12:57
or even joke about last
12:59
night's football match, and it
13:01
would blink metaphorically back at
13:03
you in confusion. Despite its
13:05
stunning jeopardy performance, Watson was
13:07
still very much narrow AI,
13:09
brilliant but limited. Fast forward
13:11
to March 2016. Deep Mind,
13:13
a British AI lab later
13:15
acquired by Google, unleashed Alpha
13:17
Go, a system that would
13:19
rock the world again, this
13:21
time by mastering the ancient
13:23
Chinese board game Go. This
13:25
wasn't just another game. Go
13:27
is famously complex, with more
13:29
possible board configurations than atoms
13:31
in the observable universe. Seriously.
13:33
Human experts predicted it would
13:35
take decades before an AI
13:38
could challenge a top-level player.
13:40
They were wrong. AlphaGo didn't
13:42
just compete. It crushed Lisa
13:44
Dahl, a grandmaster widely considered
13:46
unbeatable, four games to one.
13:48
AlphaGo's victory was profound because
13:50
it represented a step closer
13:52
to general AI. It learned
13:54
by experience. Adopted strategies mid-game,
13:56
and even surprised human players
13:58
with moves never seen before.
14:00
AlphaGo wasn't just following orders,
14:02
it was innovating, strategizing, and
14:04
demonstrating adaptability. Yet, despite this
14:06
incredible leap forward, AlphaGo remained
14:08
a highly sophisticated narrow AI.
14:10
Its genius was limited strictly
14:12
to the game of Go.
14:14
Take it off the game
14:16
board and ask it for
14:18
career advice, and you'd get
14:20
silence. The lesson here, even
14:22
at their most impressive. Today's
14:24
AI systems remain specialized. Watson
14:26
and Alpha Go were groundbreaking,
14:28
yes, but they weren't conscious
14:30
or truly intelligent across multiple
14:32
areas. They're like ultra-specialized geniuses,
14:34
stunning within their area of
14:36
expertise, but out of depth
14:39
elsewhere. So while we're still
14:41
on the exciting and slightly
14:43
nerve-wracking journey towards general AI,
14:45
these case studies give us
14:47
glimpses of what's possible. and
14:49
remind us just how fascinating,
14:51
complicated and surprising AI can
14:53
truly be. If this doesn't
14:55
get your imagination fired up,
14:57
I'm not sure what will.
14:59
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All right, brilliant listeners. We've
15:31
taken quite a ride through
15:33
AI today, but now it's
15:35
your turn to join the
15:38
fun. If you're itching to
15:40
explore AI further, and let's
15:42
be honest, who wouldn't be.
15:44
Here's your task. Go beyond
15:46
asking Siri about tomorrow's weather
15:48
and try to push the
15:50
limits of narrow AI. Ask
15:52
Alexa something utterly unexpected like
15:54
life advice or cooking tips.
15:56
Watch closely as it either
15:58
impresses or amusingly stumbles. That's
16:00
narrow AI. Fancy some extra
16:02
credit? Pop over an experiment
16:04
with a powerful conversational AI
16:06
tool like ChatGPT or Google's
16:08
Bard. Or why not give
16:10
Google's latest Gemini a spin?
16:12
Test their limits. See how
16:14
smart they really are and
16:16
spot their quirks. Remember, exploring
16:18
AI firsthand is the best
16:20
way to truly grasp its
16:22
potential and its limitations. Off
16:24
you go now. Challenge an
16:26
AI and enjoy every second
16:28
of it. A
16:37
quick recap, narrow AI general AI
16:40
in the Mighty Mary Barry effect.
16:42
Well, what a whirlwind we've had
16:44
today listeners. We've unpacked the tasty
16:46
metaphor of AI as bakers. First,
16:49
we had narrow AI. Our beloved
16:51
yet limited lemon drizzle expert, brilliant
16:53
at one thing but lost outside
16:56
its specialty, like our pal Watson
16:58
smashing jeopardy. Then we met Oliver,
17:00
our metaphor for general AI, the
17:02
versatile baker who could juggle pastries,
17:05
pizzas and cakes alike, showcasing AI's
17:07
potential to think and adapt across
17:09
multiple tasks, even if we're not
17:12
quite there yet. And of course
17:14
we gazed into the thrilling and
17:16
slightly terrifying future of super intelligent
17:18
AI, our Maryberry level genius, an
17:21
AI so powerful it could redefine
17:23
entire industries, cultures, and perhaps even
17:25
the human experience itself. As all
17:28
inspiring as that sounds, we've learned
17:30
why handling that kind of power
17:32
carefully and ethically is vital for
17:34
our future. So, if you've taken
17:37
away one thing today, let it
17:39
be this. AI isn't just a
17:41
buzzword. It's already here, in narrow,
17:44
task-specific forms, and it's shaping how
17:46
we live, work, and play. But
17:48
there's still so much more potential
17:50
waiting in the wings, from general
17:53
purpose thinking machines to game-changing super
17:55
intelligences. Pretty exciting stuff, right? Wisdom
18:03
from the AI vault. As we
18:05
wrap up today's brilliant dive into
18:07
the world of AI, let me
18:09
leave you with a cracking quote
18:12
from the legendary AI thinker and
18:14
writer Vernal Finchair, who once said,
18:16
the question is not whether intelligent
18:19
machines can have any emotions, but
18:21
whether machines can be intelligent without
18:23
machines. Think about that one over
18:25
your last couple of tea. Until
18:28
next time, this is Professor Geffart,
18:30
saying cheers. Stay curious. and keep
18:32
those circuits busing. Oh, and please
18:34
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