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From internet to mainframes and

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now to AI Dave Martin,

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founder of 280 capital partners, has

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seen everything that comes from

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Silicon Valley and he says AI

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is the biggest change that

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is. So we talked to him

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about AI, but also about

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his framework. He has, because he's

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also an author and in

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his new book Mega thinking

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he talks about how to

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deal with complicated problems like

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AI. Welcome to another

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episode of The Beginners,

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Guy to AI. It's

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an interview episode and

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I'm really honored to

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have Davey on the

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podcast. So let's just

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give him the microphone.

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It's Stitma from

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Argo Berlin Guiding

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Youth in the Show. Let's

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start with, I don't want to

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introduce you, Dave Martin, because that

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would be like a PR thing.

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Somebody gives me something to talk

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about you. The best is I

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give you the microphone and you

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say something about you. And let's

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start, first of all, welcome to

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the podcast. And let's start with

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what's so interesting in AI, what

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did bring you into AI? Well

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my whole background career wise really

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starting in college has been

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technology. I was an aeronautical

1:25

engineer in college and then I

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shifted to computer sciences after

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I graduated because I was

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hired by IBM which in those days

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late 60s early 70s was the most

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powerful computing company in the

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world really one of the

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most powerful companies in the

1:41

world. Really one of the most

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powerful companies in the world. And

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what they did with all of

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their hires in those days was

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to put them through a rigorous

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one year or longer training period

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to teach them everything

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from how chips work,

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how operating systems work, how

2:02

the computer works in total,

2:04

how computers can solve problems,

2:06

create applications like inventory control

2:08

and billing and so on.

2:10

So you leave the first

2:12

year with a computer science

2:15

degree, if you will, from

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IBM, the leader in that

2:19

field. And then I fortunately

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joined them in Palo Alto,

2:23

California, which turns out at

2:26

that period. was just forming

2:28

as one of the technology

2:30

centers in the entire world.

2:32

And since then obviously has

2:34

become essentially that by virtually

2:37

any measure technologies created, you

2:39

know, wealth created for entrepreneurs,

2:41

wealth created for investors, etc.

2:43

with some of the who's

2:45

who companies like Google and

2:47

Apple and Intel and others.

2:50

So my entire career shifted

2:52

from IBM to become an

2:54

entrepreneur in Silicon Valley where

2:56

I then ran as CEO

2:58

for information technology companies and

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I've had to over the

3:02

transition of the various technology

3:04

generations, learn new technologies, you

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know, moving from main frames

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to mini computers to micro

3:11

processors and PCs to client

3:13

server and then the internet

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hit. So my life has

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been in this field forever.

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I've loved that I felt

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blessed that I had been

3:24

in it. And I really

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feel that AI in the

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broadest sense is going to

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be the most revolutionary aspect

3:32

of what information technology can

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do for industries and people

3:36

and societies ever. And it's

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not just 10% more, it's

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10 times, maybe 100 times.

3:43

And so I've nursed myself

3:45

because of that in learning

3:47

as much as I can.

3:49

by actually working on AI

3:51

related topics. One is my

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book that is mega thinking,

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how to think smarter. And

3:58

one of the chapters of

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the books is on AI.

4:02

One is the Computer History

4:04

Museum, which is the largest

4:06

museum for computer history and

4:08

thought leadership on computer related

4:10

topics in the world. And

4:13

we have a brand new

4:15

major investment in discussing and

4:17

causing people to understand AI.

4:19

And I'm an active coach

4:21

executive chairman of companies. that

4:23

are in the AI space

4:25

and their whole future can

4:27

depend on them harnessing AI

4:30

into their space, health care

4:32

company, educational technology company, a

4:34

company that's going to revolutionize

4:36

the world bond trading market.

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And so if I went

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to the book just to

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provide a framework for whatever

4:44

else that you feel your

4:47

listeners would like to hear

4:49

your listeners would like to

4:51

hear The link to AI

4:53

was pretty simple in the

4:55

book. The thesis of the

4:57

book is any topic, no

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matter how simple or complex,

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can be broken down into

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ten or fewer, fewer, mega-cepts.

5:06

Think of mega-cepts as the

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greatest thoughts on a topic.

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And in order to provide

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a framework of credibility about

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that thesis, We did research

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and said, let's pick three

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major worldwide topics. The eight

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major religions of the world,

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the seven major forms of

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government in the world, and

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the three major branches of

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science in the world. So

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18 different areas. And we

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went and researched, and believe

5:36

it or not, every one

5:38

of those, when you do

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the research on the authorities

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on those topics, end up

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with 10 or a fewer

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greatest thoughts on the topic.

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It doesn't mean... you learn

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everything by looking at just

5:53

the greatest thoughts, but by

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looking at the greatest thoughts,

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you then can provide a

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framework for understanding, thinking about

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the topic when more death.

6:03

I mean, two simple examples

6:05

are in religion Christianity, which

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if you take Ten Commandments

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and read them and then

6:12

study them and say, what

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do they really mean? Then

6:16

if you read the Bible

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or if you read any

6:20

other books about the Bible

6:22

and then Christianity, you will

6:24

have a framework to understand

6:27

and think smarter about it.

6:29

Another example is one of

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the most prevalent forms of

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government in the world is

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the Democratic Republic. And if

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you take one of those,

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the US, if you look

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back to the original constitution

6:44

and Bill of Rights, they

6:46

were there were ten principles,

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greatest thoughts, that said these

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are involved violet. These are

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the basis for a democratic

6:54

republic called the United States.

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So the book attempts to

6:58

give the reader credibility that

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this isn't just a stupid

7:03

process. It isn't a simple

7:05

thesis. It's a powerful thesis.

7:07

If you can then pick

7:09

a topic and apply it

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to that topic. The book

7:13

then says, how do you

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do it? And it's a

7:18

four step process. We can

7:20

come back to that if

7:22

you're interested in anyone that's

7:24

listening that is interested enough

7:26

to buy the book. Great.

7:28

Otherwise, have them contact me

7:30

and I'll tell them. But

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it's a four step process.

7:35

So it's very simple, but

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it's powerful of how you

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take any topic and go

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through the steps and end

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up at the end with

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the greatest thoughts about that

7:47

topic. to start your thinking

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process and understanding process. And

7:52

so it develops that and

7:54

it shows how there are

7:56

analogous other areas that are

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simple but powerful like E

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equals MC squared. is the

8:02

total mathematical expression of the

8:04

theory of relativity. Simple and

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equalness. Do unto others as

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you would have them do

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unto you. Simple spiritual idea.

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And I guess that you

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get now to AI in

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the book and provide some

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perhaps guidance to what readers

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might want to do. There

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are six chapters in the

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book where I ask real

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people to take the process.

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on six very different topics

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and apply the process and

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come out with their own

8:36

greatest thoughts on the topic.

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The topics were in the

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book names them by first

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name fictitiously but they're real

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people. The first was a

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mother who wanted to figure

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out how to be the

8:51

best mother to her teenage

8:53

kids. The second was a

8:55

college major who was trying

8:58

to figure out the best

9:00

major to focus on in

9:02

college for the best career

9:04

benefit. The third was a

9:06

person who wanted to get

9:08

into management that didn't have

9:10

right in personal skills that

9:12

the management felt that he

9:15

needed. And so he came

9:17

up with the greatest thoughts

9:19

on interpersonal skills. The fourth

9:21

was someone that wanted to

9:23

figure out the greatest thoughts

9:25

on leadership. How do I

9:27

become a great leader? The

9:29

fifth was what's going on

9:32

in the health care arena

9:34

in the world. where the

9:36

number three cause of death

9:38

in the world after cancer

9:40

and heart disease is medical

9:42

errors. What are the greatest

9:44

thoughts on dealing with that?

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And finally, obviously mostly pertinent

9:49

to you and to this

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group, your podcast group, is

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what are the greatest thoughts

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on AI? So this person

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Todd said, I want to

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move my career from consumer

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marketing, selling clothes, that sort

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of stuff. into information technology

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marketing with a focus. on

10:08

AI, so he wanted to

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study AI and come up

10:12

with the greatest thoughts so

10:14

that he could become not

10:16

an expert but a knowledgeable

10:18

and therefore present himself as

10:20

knowledgeable about AI. So if

10:23

you were to take the

10:25

most explicit use on the

10:27

bookside of our topic today,

10:29

it would be, you know,

10:31

if you read that chapter.

10:33

you'll read what Todd found

10:35

to be, I think, a

10:38

very intelligent top, he ended

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up with nine, not 10,

10:42

top nine greatest thoughts on

10:44

AI, and they get into

10:46

things like the underlying technology,

10:48

they get into applications, they

10:50

get into a societal and

10:52

legal ramifications, you know, those

10:55

level things. And so that

10:57

would be a start point

10:59

that says this is what

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Todd thinks of the greatest

11:03

thoughts, read them. And then,

11:05

you know, what do you

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think they are? How would

11:09

you, how would you change

11:12

them? By the way, that

11:14

entire chapter is five pages.

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So it's, and the five

11:18

pages is the process, step

11:20

one, step two, step three,

11:22

and then the final page

11:24

and a half is his

11:26

final greatest thoughts. One of

11:29

the best benefits of framing

11:31

a topic with the greatest

11:33

thoughts. like Christianity or like

11:35

AI, is you then can

11:37

say the area of the

11:39

greatest thoughts on total AI

11:41

that I would really like

11:43

to understand is the application

11:46

area. And within the application

11:48

area, because of the importance

11:50

in today's market for AI,

11:52

I want to really understand

11:54

Jen AI, chatbot, AI. I

11:56

think like chat GPT as

11:58

one of the most pervasive

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current instantiations of AI. And

12:03

so. So you go from

12:05

the greatest thoughts at the

12:07

macro level on AI and

12:09

then say now, I'm going

12:11

to find the greatest thoughts

12:13

going through the same four

12:15

step process for chat, GPT,

12:17

chat, pop, gen AI. And

12:20

it sounds, again, it sounds

12:22

too simple to be powerful,

12:24

but once those six people

12:26

actually applied it, they really

12:28

benefited for their various purposes

12:30

in doing it. And I

12:32

found over my. very, very

12:34

long, multi-decade career and life.

12:37

It's a truly powerful way

12:39

to think smarter about any

12:41

topic that is important to

12:43

you. Totally make sense because

12:45

the complexity, the simplicity of

12:47

like songs, it's not the

12:49

complex songs that are successful.

12:51

It's like if you hear

12:54

the guitar like, do, do,

12:56

do, do, do, do, do,

12:58

do, do, do, do, do,

13:00

do, do, everybody knows that

13:02

song. If you don't like

13:04

it, you don't like it,

13:06

but you still know it.

13:09

It's like simple, it's like,

13:11

there's nothing much there, you

13:13

know? It's like, so, it

13:15

totally makes sense to simplify

13:17

things to simplify things. the

13:19

in daily you might go

13:21

into daily daily work you

13:23

go into details or so

13:26

but but you have to

13:28

have the concept in mind

13:30

totally makes sense to me

13:32

yeah and it's you know

13:34

the mind is so powerful

13:36

one of the first parts

13:38

of the book that I

13:40

really try to focus on

13:43

with experts proving it is

13:45

a thinking is the most

13:47

important thing for every human

13:49

being at every walk of

13:51

life in any place in

13:53

the world to do thinking.

13:55

We don't often think about

13:57

thinking that way, but just

14:00

to bring it kind of

14:02

dramatically to the fore for

14:04

the listeners. Your brain thinks

14:06

that multiple levels at the

14:08

most basic level. It thinks

14:10

to keep your body functioning.

14:12

24 hours a day, seven

14:14

days a week for your

14:17

lifetime. Perfectly. I mean, most

14:19

of the time, perfectly. And

14:21

so that subconscious thinking is

14:23

a very crude way to

14:25

say how important it is.

14:27

Then in everyday activities, getting

14:29

up, getting dressed, you know,

14:31

feeding, cleaning, getting to work,

14:34

taking care of kids, whatever

14:36

your activities are. You've done

14:38

it so many times that

14:40

you're thinking it's kind of

14:42

just the fact though there.

14:44

And that's great. I mean,

14:46

most animals can't do that

14:48

because if you go through

14:51

a day or a week,

14:53

you're thinking about at that

14:55

level, many things. The area

14:57

that is most valuable to

14:59

have a structured way of

15:01

thinking about is more complex

15:03

subjects. And I mentioned six

15:05

examples of that are in

15:08

the book that are in

15:10

the book. Those are all.

15:12

semi complex had become a

15:14

best mother to a teenager

15:16

and very complex, how to

15:18

become a leader, how to

15:20

solve medical errors, how to

15:22

understand AI. And so it

15:25

really has validity and thinking

15:27

is so so so important

15:29

and what the authorities say

15:31

one of the things in

15:33

the book that I I

15:35

think you and I talked

15:37

about is there are, in

15:40

the combination of the main

15:42

book and the appendix, there

15:44

are about 100 quotes from

15:46

famous people, of who's who,

15:48

Plato, Socrates, and Buddha, and

15:50

George Washington, and Henry Ford,

15:52

and Edison, and you know,

15:54

all those famous people. And

15:57

they have more quotes about

15:59

thinking than any other topic.

16:01

I've ever seen ever, except

16:03

maybe love. Love. Love. Love.

16:05

Love's about. Yeah. In the

16:07

case of love, many times

16:09

because of the romantic aspect

16:11

of love, you don't think

16:14

you just you're just in

16:16

love. Yeah. We all know

16:18

that. Yeah. So the point

16:20

is your listeners could take

16:22

a topic that is either

16:24

AI itself or some completely

16:26

different topic and apply this

16:28

process. And what they'll end

16:31

up with is a probably

16:33

one page, maybe two that

16:35

has has the negatives, the

16:37

greatest thoughts. And they're written

16:39

in a fashion so they

16:41

jump out. I'm a great

16:43

believer, like PowerPoint of having

16:45

bullets, bullets jump out at

16:48

it. And so if you

16:50

think of greatest thoughts on

16:52

AI or that. that mother

16:54

that wants to be the

16:56

greatest, you know, mother to

16:58

or teenagers, you capture them

17:00

and they become yours. They're

17:02

not somebody else's, you really

17:05

have thought them through and

17:07

you put them up in

17:09

your mirror and you hand,

17:11

in that case, you hand

17:13

them to the kid and

17:15

say, here are my greatest

17:17

thoughts about being a better

17:19

mother to you, I'd like

17:22

to share them with it.

17:24

You're sharing them with friends.

17:26

You put them in your,

17:28

you know, you know, smartphone,

17:30

in your PC. So they're

17:32

there, there. And the purpose

17:34

of that is all people,

17:36

it takes a while for

17:39

anything to sink in. So

17:41

it becomes habitual and it

17:43

becomes a part of you.

17:45

And so, yeah. No, this

17:47

is, the thing is like

17:49

reducing complexity, focusing on the

17:51

most important things. And it's

17:54

not, it's not like what

17:56

I love about this. Like

17:58

focus would be like you

18:00

do a thing, but you

18:02

have a framework, you create

18:04

a framework for yourself and

18:06

with... this you can work

18:08

yeah this is thinking and

18:11

love is this the the

18:13

things but where we talk

18:15

about thinking and love as

18:17

it's about AI that's a

18:19

thing where the AI starts

18:21

to think or not and

18:23

love there's those companion apps

18:25

what is this is thinking

18:28

and love is this the

18:30

the things but where we

18:32

still better the AI than

18:34

the AI than the AI?

18:36

You know if you read

18:38

the chapter on AI and

18:40

if you read any other

18:42

treatises on the subject, you

18:45

know that the current AI

18:47

even the mind boggling strength

18:49

and capabilities of chat boss

18:51

and chat sheet BT and

18:53

other machine language level instantiations

18:55

even something as simple as

18:57

Siri on an Apple or

18:59

the equivalent on Android. What

19:02

it does. I want to

19:04

go from point A to

19:06

point B, it figures out

19:08

where you are point A,

19:10

it talks to you, it

19:12

gives you instructions on the

19:14

screen, it talks you through

19:16

there, and it gets you

19:19

there. I mean, just think

19:21

that's a very, very simple

19:23

instantiation of AI, and all

19:25

instantiations now are at that

19:27

simple level. What they all

19:29

talk about down multiple decades

19:31

from now is when. the

19:33

combination of compute power in

19:36

the compute model, such as

19:38

neural thinking, can go to

19:40

the next level and all

19:42

of a sudden really start

19:44

thinking akin to the way

19:46

the mind can, probably never

19:48

as creatively and never as

19:50

powerfully, but that's where things

19:53

are headed. At one level,

19:55

it's time to understand enough

19:57

about AI as it exists

19:59

today, because if you don't

20:01

start now. It'll really, you

20:03

know, you'll get lost in

20:05

the future. One of the

20:07

most important things about AI

20:10

that we've learned at the

20:12

museum and putting together our

20:14

exhibit and our thought leadership

20:16

documents in that same chapter

20:18

in the book at the

20:20

end of it is a

20:22

comment on AI and I

20:25

do it as author and

20:27

chairman and a board member

20:29

of the Computer History Museum

20:31

and I reference in there

20:33

the link to get to

20:35

the museum. Most. Not most,

20:37

a lot of sources about

20:39

information on AI are prejudice.

20:42

Every vendor, open AI, Google,

20:44

alphabet, I mean, alphabet, you

20:46

know, Apple, Microsoft, they all

20:48

have their ax to grind

20:50

and their position to make.

20:52

And some of the stuff

20:54

that published is powerful. But

20:56

one of the things that

20:59

the museum has done over

21:01

the last 30 years on

21:03

all computing topics and one

21:05

that we're trying to focus

21:07

on even more with AI,

21:09

we want to be a

21:11

thought leader that is objectively

21:13

thinking about it without an

21:16

ax to grind without a

21:18

product to sell without a

21:20

and so any of your

21:22

listeners that want to see

21:24

that kind of thoughts about

21:26

AI should do it. But

21:28

one of the things we

21:30

concluded early. One of the

21:33

things I've noticed in being

21:35

a coach and chairman of

21:37

these companies that I mentioned

21:39

them is as opposed to

21:41

normal compute technology over 50

21:43

years and more akin to

21:45

the internet what will happen

21:47

with AI is the ramifications

21:50

the application of AI to

21:52

whole markets, whole industries, whole

21:54

fields of study. whole ways

21:56

to wage war, everything, everything.

21:58

And that sort of happened

22:00

with the internet. If you

22:02

go back to the beginning

22:04

when it went from Arponet

22:07

to the internet and to

22:09

the web and that progression.

22:11

It all of a sudden

22:13

had a power to communicate,

22:15

to make transactions, to show

22:17

what you're selling or whatever,

22:19

to completely re-engineer revolutionize industries.

22:21

And the favorite example from

22:24

that phase was Amazon in

22:26

the US. Every brick and

22:28

mortar retailer. that thought Amazon

22:30

was a joke because all

22:32

they could do is sell

22:34

books and lose money. They

22:36

made a big mistake. The

22:38

internet revolutionized the retail business,

22:41

it still is. And so

22:43

that's an example of where

22:45

the technology per se is

22:47

not the most important story.

22:49

The most important story is

22:51

what it does to whole

22:53

industries, whole markets. And if

22:56

you take AI and again

22:58

multiply times 10 to 100

23:00

versus the internet. That's going

23:02

to happen in every field

23:04

of endeavor in the world

23:06

over time. We had the

23:08

chairman and CEO of Open

23:10

AI Sam Altman come to

23:13

the museum that talked to

23:15

the board about this. This

23:17

was about a year after

23:19

he had spoken to the

23:21

US Congress about what was

23:23

the ramifications of AI to

23:25

society and what should be

23:27

done about it. And he

23:30

made his... 30-minute presentation, which

23:32

was really outstanding. Any of

23:34

any of your listeners that

23:36

haven't heard him speak, he's

23:38

a powerful and pretty objective

23:40

guy. So at the end,

23:42

he opened it for questions.

23:44

And the first question was,

23:47

what are the three or

23:49

four industries that in the

23:51

next three to five years

23:53

will be most impacted by

23:55

AI in your judgment? And

23:57

so he took no time.

23:59

He said the top four

24:01

are very clearly software because

24:04

chat GPT was written to

24:06

write software and software is

24:08

so. organized and logical, it's

24:10

a perfect thing to have

24:12

something that, you know, and

24:14

if you were to go

24:16

on open AI, chat GPT

24:18

and ask for, you know,

24:21

software code to produce pictures,

24:23

I will pick, the booms,

24:25

comes back, written, all the

24:27

steps. So, number one with

24:29

software. Number two was health

24:31

care. So there's so many

24:33

parts of health care that

24:35

are done the way it

24:38

was done 100 years ago.

24:40

Yeah, there's better medicines and

24:42

there's better medical instruments and

24:44

there's more training for doctors

24:46

and nurses and PAs, but

24:48

they never have in front

24:50

of them constantly the best

24:52

practices that cause them to

24:55

not make errors and you

24:57

know, people die and get

24:59

sick, etc. So health care.

25:01

And it is the largest

25:03

financial segment vertical industry in

25:05

the world. Trillions and trillions

25:07

and trillions of dollars that

25:09

affect everybody. And so that's

25:12

that was the number two

25:14

and this company I'm involved

25:16

with is living through that

25:18

live. And the third was

25:20

media. Just think of what

25:22

if anyone on your podcast

25:24

has used chat cheap PT

25:27

or the equivalent. It produces

25:29

media. pretty darn well, pretty

25:31

and pretty accurately. And the

25:33

fourth that he mentioned was

25:35

education and I already see

25:37

that happening in my involvement

25:39

at the local level in

25:41

my old alma mater, Princeton,

25:44

where it's already impacting how

25:46

professors teach students study and

25:48

the like. So one one

25:50

experience that I believe is

25:52

the most important to get

25:54

out of A. is to

25:56

not just focus on the

25:58

technology, but focus on whatever

26:01

your... is as a career,

26:03

whatever your life is like,

26:05

and you're interested in what

26:07

will AI do to me,

26:09

and what will it do

26:11

to my career, and what

26:13

will, you know, if you

26:15

take that, let's say you're

26:18

in the health care industry,

26:20

a tremendous use of thinking

26:22

smarter and about your life

26:24

in that industry that you're

26:26

a part of, health care,

26:28

is to say what are

26:30

the greatest thoughts that I

26:32

can create, then I can

26:35

research. then I can find

26:37

other people to talk about

26:39

to create the greatest thoughts

26:41

as it relates to impacts

26:43

on the health care industry

26:45

and ramifications to my career.

26:47

It sounds like that's impossible

26:49

to do, but it's not.

26:52

It's not. In the software

26:54

example, every software company that

26:56

writes software, every user of

26:58

software that also deals with

27:00

the software, you know, major

27:02

corporations, the government. Everybody that

27:04

has anything to do with

27:06

software, they're starting to understand

27:09

that the greatest thoughts include

27:11

some huge percent of software

27:13

engineers that simply code, not

27:15

architect, but just write code,

27:17

will not have a job

27:19

in five years. Sam Allman's

27:21

view of that is that's

27:23

not all bad because that

27:26

same group. is technically equipped

27:28

more than most to turn

27:30

around and learn AI and

27:32

become a pliers of AI.

27:34

And so it sounds scary.

27:36

Sam's number, by the way,

27:38

was 90% of all coders

27:40

will be gone. He turned

27:43

around and said, that's a

27:45

career opportunity. It totally makes

27:47

sense. If you do all

27:49

the routine stuff of the

27:51

coding, that's what the machine

27:53

can do. But what's the

27:55

real, the creative work, the

27:58

strategic work, this is... Yeah,

28:00

if you free those people,

28:02

I mean, I don't know

28:04

how it's, I just know

28:06

the German numbers, but we

28:08

are missing like 200, 300,000

28:10

programmers here in Germany. The

28:12

US is bigger, probably even

28:15

more. So if you can

28:17

free those people who do

28:19

routine work to do the

28:21

work that creates value, totally

28:23

makes sense for me, yeah.

28:25

And yeah, this is some,

28:27

from the, from the perspective.

28:29

The interesting thing is what

28:32

I see is the development

28:34

from this innovation is always

28:36

innovation, but you say like

28:38

this is 10 to 100

28:40

times more important. What do

28:42

you think as we also

28:44

talked about in our pre-talkie

28:46

about societal ramifications or problems

28:49

or you said on the

28:51

holidays now that we are

28:53

for the listener for the

28:55

season on January coming back

28:57

from from the Christmas holidays

28:59

and so and there was

29:01

a typical question for you.

29:03

How is AI influencing us?

29:06

It just comes up every

29:08

day in it every. audience

29:10

that I interface with and

29:12

that's everything from family sitting

29:14

around the dinner table or

29:16

it's friends who maybe are

29:18

either in tech and therefore

29:20

want to get my opinion

29:23

since I'm in tech or

29:25

people that aren't in tech

29:27

and they're afraid of it

29:29

I want to know more

29:31

about it to you know

29:33

specific company situations where led

29:35

this health care company or

29:37

I'm executive chairman. It's going

29:40

to be the whole future

29:42

of health care as it

29:44

relates to technology application. And

29:46

in their particularly case, it's

29:48

a product that provides a

29:50

cloud based mobile access at

29:52

the bedside where the doctor

29:54

nurse or PA are working

29:57

on a patient to real

29:59

time ask questions and and

30:01

have the cloud download best

30:03

practices to take care of

30:05

whatever this patient situation is

30:07

over the term of him

30:09

being taken care of. So

30:11

there's a whole spectrum of

30:14

everyday stuff that comes up

30:16

and what I what I what I try

30:18

to do is, um, is, um, same,

30:20

that's not, don't worry about

30:23

technology. That's like, don't

30:25

worry about the internet. It'll

30:27

be there. Think about how

30:30

the internet can benefit

30:32

you and not be detrimental.

30:34

And if you then do the same

30:37

thing with AI, then you get

30:39

into the applications and what

30:41

they can do. And since

30:44

chat boss and chat GPT

30:46

equivalents are so ubiquitous, everybody

30:49

kind of heard about. One

30:51

way to turn. the mindset of

30:54

the person you're talking to

30:56

from the technology and fearing

30:58

it to something that they

31:00

can actually see is as

31:02

you pull up chat GPT

31:04

from an open AI and you

31:06

have them enter their question

31:08

and that you ask them to

31:11

enter a question that is relevant

31:13

to them today. Where should I stay

31:16

in Lisbon when I go

31:18

there with my family? And

31:20

within seconds back, boom. And

31:22

so I think in general

31:24

if you de-skill it, de-technology

31:27

it, and Moore say, look

31:29

at this great tool. I

31:31

mean, one of the best

31:34

ways to do it

31:36

because it's virtually ubiquitous

31:38

around the world is

31:40

the Android and Apple

31:42

versions of Siri. How

31:44

cool is that? You just

31:47

get, you know, paper maps

31:49

out and, and then you'd

31:51

argue with your spouse who

31:53

wasn't driving about which room

31:55

was best. And it's gone.

31:57

So, so if you say

31:59

that. That's just the

32:01

start and there's going

32:03

to be all kinds of other

32:05

things like Gen A.I. stuff, ChatGPT,

32:08

ChatBot, that kind of opens

32:10

their eyes a bit. And

32:12

then if you take, going

32:14

back to the internet

32:17

retail example, if the

32:19

person is interested in

32:21

career ramifications, like let's say

32:23

he's a software engineer and

32:26

he's afraid he's not. And

32:28

have a job. You turn

32:30

that around like we just did

32:32

earlier and say, hey, you are in

32:35

the best position to be even

32:37

more skilled in the world

32:39

of information technology because you

32:41

have the technical know how

32:43

to know that how powerful

32:45

AI can be in its

32:47

various form. And therefore your

32:49

whole career is ahead of

32:51

you, not behind you. I know

32:54

I'm being rebosed, but It's

32:56

a topic that goes on

32:58

and on and on and

33:00

on and on. I just

33:02

feel that decilling

33:04

it, making it,

33:06

AI for dummies,

33:08

smartening it down is

33:11

the best way to

33:13

get across with live

33:15

examples. the

33:17

positive ramifications of AI that

33:19

are just now starting.

33:21

I think I told you

33:24

we had a conference

33:26

reunion in Washington

33:28

DC with my college

33:30

class and one of

33:32

the speakers was the

33:34

ex-chairman of the Joint

33:36

Chiefs of Staff Mark

33:39

Millie and he was

33:41

a brilliant guy and

33:43

he's He's controversial in some

33:45

respects, but he's brilliant.

33:47

He's dedicated to the

33:50

United States. That did

33:52

some great stuff. And he was

33:54

asked, what are the future

33:56

of war related to AI

33:58

and technology? And he's. said, it's

34:00

not going to make a

34:02

major impact on conventional warfare,

34:05

although it already has drones,

34:07

basically use AI as an

34:09

example. But it's going to

34:11

revolutionize military and war in

34:13

two new battle fronts, space

34:15

and cybersecurity. And no one

34:17

expected that answer. Somebody expected,

34:20

you know, fusion bombs or.

34:22

you know, hypersonic missiles or

34:24

he says conventional, that's not

34:26

going to be our problem.

34:28

And if you look at

34:30

those two fields, nothing's possible

34:32

in that space area and

34:35

in that cyber security area

34:37

without the application of advanced

34:39

AI techniques, because unless you

34:41

use them, you are going

34:43

to fall behind the guy

34:45

that has better cyber attack

34:47

ability. And if you do

34:49

that, you could, you know,

34:52

you lose your country. So,

34:54

It, it, it, it, it,

34:56

it, it, it, it, it,

34:58

it, it, it, it, it,

35:00

it, it, it, it, it,

35:02

it, it, it, it, it,

35:04

it, it, it, it, it,

35:07

it, it, it, it, it,

35:09

it, it, it, focus on

35:11

it and in beginning to

35:13

be guided to AI by

35:15

podcast like yours and other

35:17

techniques. Don't be afraid of

35:19

it. Just start listening to

35:22

your podcast. Just start, you

35:24

know, thinking about it. Just

35:26

write down your ideas on

35:28

some subset topic, AI and

35:30

applications to health care. That

35:32

if you take that one,

35:34

it sounds like what topic,

35:37

but if you take it

35:39

in and capture it with

35:41

a process. structured process, all

35:43

of a sudden your eyes

35:45

open. And you say, I

35:47

can now talk, let's say

35:49

I'm a health care professional,

35:51

I now can talk intelligently

35:54

having done this work about

35:56

the most significant greatest thoughts

35:58

on AI impact in health

36:00

care. And all of a

36:02

sudden, you are no longer

36:04

afraid. You have a framework

36:06

of understanding. And as we

36:09

just to write in the

36:11

software career transition, sometimes that

36:13

understanding can turn from fear

36:15

into enthusiasm. Fear and enthusiasm,

36:17

this is some of the

36:19

things that I connect with

36:21

AI and this is actually...

36:24

Before I come to the,

36:26

we already talked about warfare

36:28

and stuff like this, but

36:30

before I come to this,

36:32

for all the people who

36:34

watch this as a YouTube

36:36

video, I don't want to

36:39

get you to YouTube. No,

36:41

no, no. But Dave has

36:43

a big tiger behind him.

36:45

You have to know this

36:47

and... This is really like

36:49

powerful. This is like, I

36:51

love it and I'm a

36:53

cat person and so on

36:56

Tigers, not lions. Tigers is

36:58

exactly what I like. There's

37:00

a small story to the

37:02

tiger. Can you share that

37:04

to the people? So I've

37:06

been a tiger since college.

37:08

My school, Princeton mascot is

37:11

the tiger. And so my

37:13

whole life in those days.

37:15

with filled with tigers. It

37:17

was especially pertinent because I

37:19

know they went to school

37:21

there, but I I play

37:23

a couple of varsity sports

37:26

football and baseball and we

37:28

were always having tigers around

37:30

to cheer us on and

37:32

customs and so on. And

37:34

I've always felt that all

37:36

the animals that you can

37:38

think about, one of the

37:41

most regal and powerful is

37:43

the tiger. So I've always

37:45

had tiger in my blood

37:47

since college. And then... Right

37:49

after college or just before

37:51

the end of college, I

37:53

married my current bride of

37:55

58 and a half years.

37:58

Her name is Robin Schultz

38:00

Martin and she's a Tigris.

38:02

So I married a Tiger,

38:04

a Tigris. And then finally

38:06

last year when I published

38:08

the book, I needed a

38:10

publishing company and I decided

38:13

to call my publishing company

38:15

Tiger Media. I have multiple

38:17

reasons for Tiger. That is

38:19

great, that is great. I

38:21

was, some years ago I

38:23

was in Leipzig in the

38:25

zoo and they have like

38:28

this 300, that's probably like

38:30

400 pound tiger there and

38:32

or even more, I don't

38:34

know what they weigh, it's

38:36

like so powerful, such a

38:38

powerful animal, but you really

38:40

like the Tiger is like,

38:42

this is this is a

38:45

sign, you can, you can.

38:47

This is, you can win,

38:49

you can do it. It's

38:51

not like, yeah, it's great,

38:53

it's like focused, this isn't

38:55

focused anymore, I'll truly love

38:57

it. But I just wanted

39:00

to talk about it, this

39:02

is great, but now back

39:04

to the serious topics, and

39:06

that would be like, just

39:08

a simple thing is, how

39:10

do you use AI in

39:12

your daily, daily life, not

39:15

work, doesn't need to be

39:17

work, could be work, could

39:19

be life? Well,

39:21

I think the ubiquitous

39:23

one that people don't

39:25

really think about is

39:27

today's AI, but, you

39:29

know, things like navigational,

39:31

days, like Siri, constant,

39:34

since ChatGPT became visible,

39:36

and since others like

39:38

it, has become visible.

39:40

And it's now in

39:42

the case of chat

39:44

GPT in generation four,

39:46

generation one two years

39:48

ago, two and a

39:51

half years ago, was

39:53

accurate under 50% of

39:55

the time. on whatever

39:57

you ask it. And

39:59

92% ends up being

40:01

more accurate, to give

40:03

you under 50%, according

40:05

to their supposed independent

40:08

research, chat GPT4, which

40:10

you can get now,

40:12

is 92% accurate on

40:14

whatever you ask it.

40:16

And 92% ends up

40:18

being more accurate than

40:20

human thought. So, so

40:22

all of a sudden

40:25

the reason not to

40:27

use it, it's inaccurate,

40:29

becomes, it's gone. And

40:31

so, chatting, let's take,

40:33

let's take, this company,

40:35

health care company, we

40:37

use chat GPT to

40:39

do all sorts of

40:42

quick studies research, so

40:44

they have again, a

40:46

best practice platform that

40:48

has a. best practices

40:50

for the diagnosis of

40:52

and the treatment of

40:54

various pediatric problems like

40:56

orthopedic problems. And we

40:59

keep adding new diagnoses

41:01

and treatments that are

41:03

important to pediatric. So

41:05

one one that came

41:07

up was a US

41:09

government organization approached this

41:11

and asked us to

41:13

create a Ukrainian version.

41:15

the Ukrainian pediatricians could

41:18

use to treat burn

41:20

and blast victims in

41:22

Ukraine. None of them

41:24

had ever had an

41:26

experience of how to

41:28

do that. And so

41:30

we made available the

41:32

platform a software, it's

41:35

downloadable, and we made

41:37

a Ukrainian language version,

41:39

and we needed to

41:41

fill out what the

41:43

best practices were for

41:45

those two areas. And

41:47

so we had to

41:49

use chat GPT that

41:52

the research best practices

41:54

for burn victims best

41:56

practice for pediatric burn.

41:58

And believe it or

42:00

not, what came back

42:02

was very, very accurate.

42:04

We have a medical advisory

42:07

board of almost 20 doctors,

42:09

nurses, etc. And they

42:11

look at everything for a

42:14

best practice and we produced

42:16

that from chat chat GBT

42:18

BT would have taken us

42:20

probably a month or two

42:22

of someone's time to do the same

42:24

thing. Also it was there

42:26

and they research and studied

42:29

it and studied it and

42:31

it was very very accurate.

42:33

There was some trees. So

42:35

there's a there's a

42:37

company everyday example. I've

42:40

always loved the internet

42:42

and the power of searching

42:44

for anything that I was

42:46

interested in and you know

42:48

chat gPT and others that

42:50

are coming out like Google's

42:53

own itself. What is it

42:55

called Olympus or something? It's

42:57

mine rung. How much

42:59

more even more powerful

43:02

it is than search

43:04

and search is pretty

43:06

powerful. But instead

43:08

of getting on

43:11

a given question

43:13

in Google search session,

43:15

instead of getting

43:17

55 links, that you

43:20

then have to kind of

43:22

think through chat GPT.

43:25

I'm inventing this, but

43:27

may give you the eight most pertinent.

43:30

And that's much more powerful

43:33

for me or anybody

43:35

than having to search through

43:37

52 links. And sometimes if

43:39

you ask something like I

43:41

said earlier, the best hotels

43:44

to stay in, let's say

43:46

five star hotels in Lisbon,

43:49

Portugal, sometimes it'll say these

43:51

are the five. Boom, boom,

43:53

boom, boom. You know,

43:55

no, we're searching. Yeah,

43:58

it's, it's, it's. so

44:00

much better usability. It's like,

44:02

it's a thing that works.

44:04

And actually, the Ukraine example,

44:06

I really got goosebumps because

44:09

if it's like one or

44:11

two months that you save,

44:13

it's really saving like kids

44:15

who have burn wounds or

44:18

whatever. So it's really lives

44:20

that I'd stake at this

44:22

case, yeah. Absolutely. And I

44:24

just, it's just beginning. Well,

44:27

how old is the internet?

44:29

Late sick, late 80s, so

44:31

30, 40 years old. The

44:33

94 was the W. W.

44:36

I think 94. Yeah, and

44:38

I think the ARPANET in

44:40

the US, which was 69

44:42

or something. Yeah, yeah, but

44:45

yeah. So what is that?

44:47

My math is not good.

44:49

I don't have a calculator

44:51

from 23. 40. Let's say,

44:54

let's say 40 years. And

44:56

and, and, you know, it's

44:58

still is. is having its

45:00

own standalone internet-based impacts. This

45:03

is the AI has been

45:05

around for 58 years. If

45:07

you go back in, you

45:09

know, research it, but it

45:12

didn't do anything. And it

45:14

was always next year, next

45:16

year, next year. It's kind

45:18

of like, when will nuclear

45:21

fusion be viable to produce

45:23

electricity? And 60 years ago

45:25

they said in 10 years.

45:27

50 years ago, they said

45:30

10 years and now the

45:32

same 10 to 20 years.

45:34

So, but with AI, it's

45:36

now of a practical usable

45:39

technology that can benefit individuals

45:41

as people and whole industries,

45:43

that it's, and it's just

45:45

the beginning of the power.

45:48

Talking about power, there's a

45:50

positive or negative, let's come

45:53

to the last question. How

45:55

probable do you think that

45:57

a terminator or matrix scenario

46:00

is a scenario where the

46:02

AI ends? leaves us. This

46:04

is the, actually the field

46:06

of many people. All right.

46:09

This sounds like I'm kicking

46:11

that hand down the road

46:13

with an answer, but I'll

46:16

go back to the fusion

46:18

analogy. And that is, it'll

46:20

be here in 10 years.

46:22

And some people, especially those

46:25

that were afraid of nuclear

46:27

power in total, both fission

46:29

and fusion. And they don't

46:32

even know me about it.

46:34

They feared, oh my gosh,

46:36

what's going to happen. And

46:39

yet it's still out here,

46:41

so you don't have to

46:43

worry about it. But it

46:45

might be here in 10

46:48

or 20 years, really this

46:50

time. So I think the

46:52

most optimistic estimate guess for

46:55

when AI can be able

46:57

to think enough to where

46:59

it takes over. you know,

47:01

the spaceship in 2001 space

47:04

on, you know, when the

47:06

pilot says, do this, and

47:08

what does he say? I'm

47:11

sorry, Dave, if I can't.

47:13

Sorry, David. I'm not going

47:15

to do that. Yeah, yeah,

47:18

yeah, this is... I'm afraid

47:20

I can't do that. Yes,

47:22

this is... Yeah, yeah, yeah,

47:24

yeah, that's... That's not an

47:27

answer, but that's nowhere near

47:29

close. The compute architectures, the

47:31

software architectures, the ability to

47:34

do neural networks in a

47:36

way that sort of replicate

47:38

the way the brain works,

47:40

it's decades. So in my

47:43

case, I'm old enough to

47:45

wear. I know I won't

47:47

have to worry about it.

47:50

I'll worry about it for

47:52

my kids and my grandkids

47:54

now. I just think it's

47:57

an impossible thing to fully

47:59

contemplate. Now, what I think

48:01

is fruitful in the world

48:03

at the government. level and

48:06

industry level. And I don't

48:08

know what's happening in Germany

48:10

and other countries, but in

48:13

the US, there's a huge

48:15

focus on coming up with

48:17

a system of controls that

48:19

mitigate, reduce the evil uses

48:22

of AI. AI creating. an

48:24

identical version of Deemur and

48:26

making him talk like Deemur

48:29

and pretending he's running his

48:31

own podcast. That's scary. And

48:33

so those kinds of things

48:35

are more now. And again,

48:38

I don't know what will

48:40

come from it, but for

48:42

the first time in, let's

48:45

say five years, since it

48:47

first came up, there's a

48:49

reasonably optimistic point of view

48:52

in our country that the

48:54

combination of vast intelligent technological

48:56

people companies like the ones

48:58

we've mentioned combined with the

49:01

right kind of legal societal

49:03

mind that a government provides

49:05

the security of human kind

49:08

in a country by not

49:10

allowing what I just said

49:12

to happen. There seems to

49:14

be enough brain power wanting

49:17

to come up with some

49:19

rules. You know, if you

49:21

go back to more crude

49:24

examples of rules, you know,

49:26

there had to be rules

49:28

for use of the internet,

49:31

there had to be rules

49:33

for, you know, who can

49:35

access pornography there had to

49:37

be, you know, that's that,

49:40

that's one of the things

49:42

the government needs to do

49:44

is put laws in place

49:47

that control things so that,

49:49

you know, speed limits. Yeah,

49:51

society needs rules and laws

49:53

that control. bad things. Think

49:56

about aircraft. Every five seconds

49:58

a plane takes off or

50:00

lands in the world? What's

50:03

the most dangerous part of

50:05

flying? Taking off and landing.

50:07

At any one given time,

50:10

this is 10-year-old data. There

50:12

are over 12,000 planes in

50:14

the sky. You need controls

50:16

for that. Yeah. Yeah. And

50:19

I know that's an easier

50:21

one to think about, you

50:23

know, air traffic control and

50:26

radar and all that sort

50:28

of stuff. But the technology

50:30

that creates the problem can

50:32

also be the source of

50:35

solving the problem. One really

50:37

crude example at my school,

50:39

college, they got terribly concerned

50:42

about chat GPT being able

50:44

to create 200-page theses that

50:46

the student didn't really do.

50:49

And therefore, why should he

50:51

get a grade on it?

50:53

And so a student there

50:55

who's now graduated came up

50:58

with using the same, I'll

51:00

call it techniques of chat

51:02

GPT to discover whether a

51:05

document or a thesis was

51:07

written by a human being

51:09

or by a machine. And

51:11

don't ask me to explain

51:14

how he did that, but

51:16

it exists and it's an

51:18

available product. And Princeton's using

51:21

it to do just what

51:23

I said. to say that

51:25

that was a machine written

51:27

thing. So there's going to

51:30

be a myriad of controls,

51:32

rules, laws, if necessary, that

51:34

deal with the subject that

51:37

you brought up originally, because

51:39

even today it's improperly used,

51:41

the use of AI as

51:44

a source of disinformation, the

51:46

use of AI as a

51:48

source of disinformation, the use

51:50

of AI to use of

51:53

AI to use of You

51:55

legally copyright people's faces and

51:57

voices and that sort of

52:00

thing. That's going to be

52:02

done with. But I'm saying

52:04

from my perspective,

52:06

from my windows into

52:09

the AI world, including

52:11

at the higher levels

52:14

of government than

52:16

societal levels, I'm

52:18

optimistic that that

52:20

is now going

52:22

to happen and

52:24

there won't be a disaster.

52:26

in these areas. By the way,

52:29

one of the things that become

52:31

knowledgeable about, as any human

52:33

being about AI is, is

52:36

just this topic. It's kind

52:38

of like you had to

52:40

become knowledgeable about viruses

52:43

and malware and, you know,

52:45

what was that 30 years ago?

52:47

If you didn't become knowledgeable

52:50

at least be smart enough

52:52

to get, you know, security

52:55

on your laptop. your laptop

52:57

was attacked and destroyed and

52:59

you lost your personal information.

53:02

So that's a very crude

53:04

example of the kinds of

53:06

things that all people have to

53:09

get knowledgeable enough to take care

53:11

of themselves. The guy that

53:13

bought the laptop and didn't

53:16

put any antivirus on, it

53:18

doesn't work anymore. No,

53:20

so this is a

53:22

really optimistic look into

53:24

the future because yeah, people

53:27

tend to keep themselves alive.

53:29

So I guess it's a,

53:32

yeah, I mean, what would

53:34

be better to end the

53:36

podcast on this positive note?

53:39

And the only thing, the

53:41

last thing that is, Dave,

53:44

where can we connect

53:46

to you? Where can we

53:48

find you? The two best

53:50

places are my

53:53

website, which is Mega

53:55

Thinking Book, Mega

53:58

Thinking Book. one

54:00

word.com and the second best

54:02

if someone really wants more

54:04

personal connection is my email

54:06

is Dave at mega thinking

54:08

book.com and I I'm I

54:11

love talking to people and

54:13

I love to help people

54:15

and I think that's why

54:17

I wrote the book to

54:19

say here's something I that

54:21

I can coach you on

54:23

to make you a better

54:25

thinker and if you're a

54:27

better thinker your your life

54:30

will be better. I mean

54:32

the other more commercial answer

54:34

is that if you go

54:36

to Amazon the book is

54:38

on Amazon and it has

54:40

both the book information mega

54:42

thinking but it also has

54:44

my my personal information my

54:46

profile and the information I

54:49

just gave so those would

54:51

be the three. If you

54:53

want the best collection, just

54:55

go to the website because

54:57

it has me, it has

54:59

my email, it has the

55:01

Amazon link for a book.

55:03

Perfect. This is so people

55:05

if you're interested to learn

55:07

more about Dave go there

55:10

by the book and learn

55:12

how to focus on the

55:14

things that are important. And

55:16

the last thing is thank

55:18

you David for the for

55:20

the great interview I learned

55:22

a lot and yeah I

55:24

definitely will incorporate some of

55:26

those steps to to focus

55:29

on areas. This is really

55:31

a thing I took from

55:33

it. Mays that what you've

55:35

achieved, there are many hundreds

55:37

of the thousands of podcasts

55:39

and I've looked at a

55:41

bunch. And I was struck

55:43

by years being one of

55:45

the most important and powerful

55:48

there is because of the

55:50

subject. that are AI. And

55:52

the plethora and diversity of

55:54

the podcast you have is

55:56

exactly the way to think

55:58

about AI, not just as

56:00

technology, but all the things

56:02

that you've already covered. So

56:04

congratulations on what you've already

56:07

achieved and hopefully our chat

56:09

and this podcast can move

56:11

you one inch further in

56:13

success. Thank you. For the

56:15

people who watch the video,

56:17

they see I'm getting red

56:19

for compliment. But Dave, thank

56:21

you. And yeah, hope to

56:23

talk to you next this

56:26

year. We are already 2025.

56:28

Talk to you about, we

56:30

have other interesting topics coming

56:32

up. I think like NGOs

56:34

and sustainability and everything like

56:36

this. But for now, I

56:38

think we have to finish

56:40

it. And yeah, Dave, thank

56:42

you. You're welcome. Wow, that

56:44

was a great interview. Thank

56:47

you Dave. So what I

56:49

learned today is that all

56:51

complex ideas, like AI, You

56:53

can break them down in

56:55

simple principles and tackle each

56:57

simple principle to find a

56:59

solution for the whole problem.

57:01

Your core idea, the essence

57:03

of the problem. And I

57:06

think that is really important

57:08

because most of us are

57:10

facing this AI challenge, what

57:12

do I say? Most of

57:14

us, all of us will

57:16

face that. So AI is

57:18

coming and the important thing

57:20

is how to prepare for

57:22

the change that is coming.

57:25

And I think the mega

57:27

thinking idea totally fits into

57:29

that. So take a look

57:31

at the... book, mega thinking,

57:33

I will link it in

57:35

the show notes. And yeah,

57:37

thank you again Dave, I

57:39

was honored to have you

57:41

on the show. And people

57:44

obviously don't forget to go

57:46

to arguableen.com/newsletter and get updates

57:48

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57:50

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57:52

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57:56

that was it for today,

57:58

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58:00

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58:31

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58:33

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58:36

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58:38

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