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is it. I'm Grant Barrett. And

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I'm Martha Barnett. And

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one of the things that gets

0:41

Grant and me really excited is

0:43

workplace slang. And we love getting

0:45

examples of this from our listeners.

0:47

And we got some from Ned

0:49

Green, who shared with

0:52

us some of the vocabulary

0:54

from his workplace, which includes

0:56

Escargo. Boiler plate and

0:58

death cookies. This is a

1:00

French restaurant, right? That's

1:02

cargo cookies. Chicken.

1:07

No. Ned is a

1:09

member of the ski patrol

1:11

at Sugarbush Resort in northern Vermont.

1:14

Oh, famous. Yeah, classic ski place.

1:16

Sure. Right. And one of the

1:18

terms they use is escargot. He says

1:20

that at the end of the ski

1:22

day, we sweep the mountain by skiing

1:25

every trail after the chairlifts have closed,

1:27

looking for stray guests. And so if

1:29

they have to radio each other to

1:31

let them know that there's somebody still

1:33

up on the mountain, you know, they'll

1:35

say, we have some escargot. here. Oh,

1:37

because they're slow. So the guests who

1:39

are slow, they're slow like snails, therefore they're

1:42

escargot. Got it. Right. And then,

1:44

you know, sometimes the snows

1:46

condition will deteriorate because of thawing

1:48

and freezing and thawing and

1:50

freezing. And he says, when the

1:52

trail conditions get hard and unpleasant, we

1:54

can end up with boiler plate. That's

1:57

a hard surface with some rumbling that

1:59

makes your skis chatter. And

2:01

he says, if the texture gets

2:03

particularly nasty, they might refer to that

2:06

as death cookies, referring

2:08

to the fact that they're all these

2:10

random blobs sticking up. Sometimes they're

2:12

called frozen chicken heads. But

2:14

anyway, it's just a way of making

2:16

your job a little more interesting. Yeah,

2:18

that sounds really unpleasant, like all those

2:20

bumps. It's like when you work in

2:22

a restaurant and there's all that stuff

2:24

in the... walk -in freezer back in

2:27

the corner that hasn't been moved in

2:29

years. That's what it sounds like. That

2:31

kind of frozen stuff. And why would

2:33

you call that? I think that's death

2:35

cookies. Thank

2:38

you, Ned, for the slang from

2:40

Sugarbush. We really appreciate it. And

2:42

if you have some slang from

2:44

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2:58

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3:00

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website at waywardradio .org. Hello,

3:05

you have a way with words.

3:07

Hello, it's Cynthia Johnson

3:09

from Beaver Island, Michigan.

3:11

Beaver Island, Michigan. Hello, Cynthia.

3:14

Well, we have an expression here

3:17

on Beaver Island. It's been

3:19

around for quite a while. It's

3:22

called bootling. It's

3:24

more often an action

3:26

verb, but it can also

3:28

be a bootle. I

3:30

would say to you, hey

3:32

there, you guys want to have

3:34

a way with words, bootle. and

3:37

we'll drive around the island and we'll

3:39

do nothing but talk about words. Just

3:41

drive around. in. We're in. We're coming.

3:43

Shoot the breeze and that's a bootle.

3:45

What else do we do on a

3:47

bootle? it. Do it. You can do

3:49

whatever you want on a bootle. The

3:52

word, I looked at this word meaning

3:55

15 years ago when I first came

3:57

here and had a little bit to

3:59

do with the Irish. maybe

4:01

even illegal money, you know, like

4:03

a bootle. Yeah, there is a bootle

4:05

that a bootle is like illegal.

4:08

It's related to booty, like illegal money

4:10

that you get through graft or

4:12

corruption. So it sounds a

4:14

lot like being a teenager and cruising

4:16

through downtown in the Walmart parking lot

4:18

in the middle of nowhere, Missouri, which

4:20

is what I know. It sounds a

4:22

lot like that, you know, going through

4:24

the drive -through to see who's working Absolutely.

4:28

Yeah, well, there's nothing to do here. except

4:30

for, you know, enjoy the nature, the

4:32

lake, the beautiful... Oh, that's not nothing. Yeah.

4:36

So that's part of it.

4:38

You know, our bootles consist

4:40

of one gravel road that

4:42

goes all the way around

4:45

the island, and you get

4:47

quite a lot of Lake Michigan

4:49

views and views of other islands in

4:51

the archipelago. You're killing me. There's

4:53

many kinds of bootles. Well,

4:55

Cynthia, would you believe that

4:57

I am actually familiar with

4:59

this word, bootle, because my

5:01

brother's family has vacationed on

5:03

Beaver Island for many, many

5:05

years. And in fact, one

5:07

of my family members has a... sweatshirt

5:09

that says bootling on it, or

5:11

maybe it says bootle, I'm not sure,

5:13

but, but what's distinctive about this

5:15

sweatshirt is that it has a bottle

5:17

opener built into the pocket. Does

5:19

that sound familiar? Oh, wow.

5:22

Yeah. Yeah. Yep. You

5:24

bootle on down to the hardware

5:26

and grab one of those, uh, one

5:28

of those sweatshirts with the, with

5:30

the can opener built in that way.

5:32

If you're, you know, 20 miles

5:34

down on a bootle. Can't get back,

5:36

can't find a can opener. There

5:38

you have it. Well, that's

5:41

that's how it was explained to me.

5:43

That bootle means to just wander about

5:45

the island in a carefree manner, maybe

5:47

in a beat -up old car or

5:49

a truck that has a picnic table

5:51

in the back. I've heard of that. As

5:54

a matter of fact, to

5:56

keep this exciting, there

5:58

is a word in the

6:00

Philippines, a bootle.

6:03

It's more of a bootle fight. There's

6:05

a song about it and people

6:07

get together and they have a bootle

6:09

fight They just spread the table

6:11

with food and they all eat this

6:13

magnificent food. I did come across

6:15

that meeting So that was pretty cool

6:18

too. It's a bootle. What? How

6:20

do you spell the last word? F

6:22

-I -G -H -T. Yeah, Google that. It's

6:24

crazy Yeah,

6:32

and the etymology of it seems

6:34

to be pretty non -existent. Wouldn't

6:36

you say Grant? I suspect it's

6:38

just what's known as a nonce

6:40

coinage, which means somebody just found

6:42

a funny word and decided to

6:44

use it. But it's a point

6:46

of pride on Beaver Island. It

6:48

sounds like you all have, somebody

6:50

came up with the word there

6:53

and it's been adopted and celebrated. I

6:57

gotta say, Cynthia, this sounds like a

6:59

really good time and a wonderful place

7:01

and I'm so happy that you're sharing

7:03

it with us and everyone else on

7:05

the radio. Thank you guys. Thank you

7:07

so much. Take care. Bye -bye. Call

7:10

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7:12

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7:29

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7:32

jazz exists outside the city of

7:34

Baton Rouge. That

7:37

sounds like a commercial, Martha.

7:39

Does it? Does it also sound

7:41

like a pangram? Oh,

7:43

wow. That's great. Because usually people

7:45

have to shoehorn the X in there,

7:48

but there it is and exists.

7:50

Yes. And double Z in jazz. Right.

7:52

done. Well done. Way to go,

7:55

Wendy. Nice. And

7:57

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7:59

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8:01

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8:03

and Canada, 877 -929 -9673. Hello, you

8:06

have a way with words. Hi.

8:08

My name is Kate. I'm calling

8:10

from Greenville, South Carolina. Hi,

8:12

Kate. Welcome to the show. Hi. Thanks

8:14

so much. What can we

8:16

do for you? My grandfather, I

8:18

have this childhood memory of

8:21

sitting at a table with him

8:23

in Murray, Kentucky. And

8:25

he was eating one of

8:27

his favorite snacks, and he used

8:30

the word larynthin, as

8:32

in, this is so larynthin. which

8:35

I'm assuming is

8:38

a synonym for delicious.

8:41

And I never saw the word

8:43

again. I thought maybe it was

8:45

something he made up or I

8:47

didn't know where this word came from.

8:50

I will say a few years ago,

8:52

maybe five, six years ago, I was

8:54

reading a Barbara King solver novel, Feather

8:56

Crowns. And in that book,

8:58

one of the characters uses Larepen

9:00

and I got so excited to see

9:02

the word again. And

9:05

also to be introduced to the spelling of

9:07

it. And I don't know, I've never seen

9:09

it. I don't know anything. I haven't seen

9:11

it again. I don't know anything about it

9:13

and wondered if you could shed some light

9:15

on it. I love that it

9:17

was a Barbara Kingsolver novel that brought

9:19

it back to you because she's such a

9:21

great writer and she does have that

9:23

feel for language. Yeah, and that

9:25

you got to see it in print and

9:27

see one of the many, many spellings room.

9:29

Yeah, there's so many. Yeah,

9:32

I was so excited to see

9:34

it. Yeah, anyways, go ahead, sorry. No,

9:36

you nailed the one meaning of

9:38

it, which is delicious. It's so often

9:40

used with food, Martha, but it

9:42

didn't start that way. No, the

9:44

word larrap itself is

9:46

an old verb that means

9:49

to beat or thrash. And

9:51

the term larrapin, meaning

9:53

something that's really good, especially

9:55

food, is sort of

9:57

like an intensifying word, like

10:00

whopping or striking or

10:02

thumping. It's that same idea,

10:04

something that really beats

10:06

everything else. But

10:08

yeah, larrapin has been around

10:10

for a while. One of my

10:12

favorite uses of it, that

10:14

you'll see in print, was from

10:16

Woody Guthrie's autobiography back in

10:19

1943. He said, anything

10:21

you like real good and ain't

10:23

got for a long time, and

10:25

then you get it, that's lerepin. Oh,

10:28

it was that terrific.

10:30

That's exactly right. My

10:33

grandfather was eating

10:35

this snack, and he

10:37

at this point was in his

10:40

70s, 80s. And it was a

10:42

cold glass of milk with white

10:44

white bread torn up in it

10:46

and smashed down and stirred in

10:48

and as best as I knew

10:50

this was a snack that he

10:53

had been given during the depression

10:55

when he was growing up and

10:57

he just thought it was the

10:59

most, he said, lairpin. And doesn't

11:01

that, I just, and I love

11:03

to know the verb of it

11:06

that doesn't that beat all. I,

11:08

I, wonderful. And there's that, that

11:10

verb again, beat to mean strike

11:12

or hit. And we have so

11:14

many of these, Martha, that, that

11:17

took on a meaning of emphasis.

11:19

Like we talk about a smashing

11:21

success, smash. Yeah. And so.

11:23

I don't know what spelling

11:25

Barbara Kingsolver used, but

11:27

Woody Guthrie spelled it

11:29

L -A -R -E -P -I -N

11:31

with an apostrophe. The

11:33

version I usually see

11:35

in the United States

11:38

is L -A -R -R -U

11:40

-P -I -N -G, larypin, either

11:42

with or without the G. But

11:44

I love that you were

11:46

reunited with that word and

11:48

with that wonderful memory. Kate,

11:52

thank you so much for sharing

11:54

the memories and for sharing your

11:56

thoughts with us. Thank you so

11:58

much. Call us again sometime, all

12:00

right? Sure. Okay. Bye. Bye.

12:03

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12:05

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12:07

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12:09

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12:11

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12:14

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12:16

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12:54

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12:56

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12:59

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13:02

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13:04

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13:06

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13:08

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14:11

know, it sounds very interesting,

14:13

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14:16

And, excuse me, as I

14:18

just slough off some whipped

14:20

cream. Now, you guys know

14:22

the enigma, the monthly newsletter of the

14:24

National Puzzlers League. of which I

14:26

am a member. The enigma

14:28

has puzzles using various types of word

14:30

play, and one of them is

14:32

the false word play. For example,

14:35

the word checker is a

14:37

false comparative. It doesn't

14:39

mean more check. It's a

14:41

playing piece. So today's quiz

14:44

is what I might call a false store.

14:46

A word that sounds like it describes a

14:48

shop where they sell something, but it's

14:51

not real. For example, a

14:53

place where they sell baked goods

14:55

is definitely a Bakery, but if

14:57

they sell flying mammals you might

14:59

call it a battery But still

15:01

has nothing to do with power

15:04

cells even though it sounds like

15:06

it does Now most of these

15:08

are phonetic that doesn't have two

15:10

T's gotcha. So what yeah, all

15:12

right. So what would you call

15:14

these false stores? Now

15:17

this would be a very clever name

15:19

for a blacksmith shop or any place

15:21

where they mold metal parts It has

15:23

nothing to do with printing fake banknotes

15:27

Ha forgery a forgery forgery.

15:29

Yes, very good Not a

15:32

store it might be a

15:34

place where hardened criminals live

15:36

Another name for a

15:38

prison. It has nothing to

15:40

do with a green vegetable

15:42

Celery the celery yes place

15:44

where I guess you

15:46

can buy cells. I don't

15:49

know. Maybe it's a they

15:51

sell I don't know, single

15:53

-celled animals or something, I

15:55

don't know. Now,

15:57

this is an actual location that

15:59

offers painting and sculpting classes. It

16:01

has nothing to do with the

16:03

circulatory system. Oh, the

16:06

artery. The artery,

16:08

yes. I inspired these quizzes.

16:12

Now this might be one of

16:14

those new age shops that

16:16

spray fine particles into the air

16:18

for you to inhale For

16:20

aromatherapy purposes, you know, it has

16:22

nothing to do with Sherlock

16:24

Holmes mystery the mystery I'd wager

16:26

there is there may even

16:28

be a store called the mystery

16:30

probably yeah This would be

16:32

an unwise idea for a petting

16:35

zoo just rams and other

16:37

animals that are territorial and knock

16:39

you about It has nothing

16:41

to do with churning milk or

16:43

cream. Oh,

16:45

buttery. The buttery, yes.

16:47

Again, not a good idea to

16:49

bring your kids to the buttery. Finally,

16:52

this is a cute name for a spa, a

16:55

place where you go to get a relaxing massage. It

16:58

has little to do with

17:00

a vulcanized material. The

17:07

rubbery. The rubbery,

17:09

yes. And on

17:11

that note, I'm going to head myself down

17:13

to the rubbery and maybe get a nice

17:15

little little shiatsu or something like that. What

17:17

are we going to do with all this

17:19

cake? Eat

17:22

it. Get yourself an

17:24

egg and eat it and get the

17:26

hatchery. Can't you just climb back in

17:28

the cake and pull it over? I'll

17:30

just that's how I get to the

17:32

rubbery. I climb back into the cake.

17:35

So goodbye, guys. All right. Bye, John.

17:37

We'll see you next week. Take care.

17:39

See you then. Well, if you would

17:41

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you have a way with words. This

17:54

is Patrick here, calling in from Lower

17:56

Manhattan. Well, we're glad to hear from you.

17:58

What's on your mind today? So my

18:00

question today is about the phrase, ride

18:02

or die. I hear

18:04

it all over on social media, in music,

18:06

in conversation. I use it myself. And

18:08

while I think I understand the meaning of the

18:11

term, I don't quite know how it connects to

18:13

the words themselves. You

18:15

could be a ride or die friend, a ride or

18:17

die fan, a ride or die partner. But

18:20

I don't know the origin and I'm curious

18:22

to hear more. So this

18:24

is ride or

18:26

die, three words, R

18:28

-I -D -E -O -R -D -I

18:30

-E. Do you

18:32

use this? Do you have ride

18:34

or die friends? I

18:36

do. Yeah, I'm very grateful for them. But

18:38

yeah, I use it in conversation. And

18:41

I've heard it used to describe friendships, again,

18:43

romantic partnerships, even

18:45

for fans of musical artists,

18:48

for example. Yeah. Well, what

18:50

is it like to have a friend like that who's

18:52

ride or die? I mean, what is, what

18:54

kind of relationship? Like, how does a

18:56

ride or die friend compare to one

18:58

who isn't a ride or die friend?

19:01

I really think it means just

19:03

no matter what happens. So kind

19:05

of come heck or high

19:07

water if you're sick and thin, always

19:10

there for you no matter what.

19:12

Yeah, that's my takeaway too. Martha, that

19:14

sounds right to you? Yeah, yeah,

19:16

that definitely sounds right. Ride or die.

19:18

Yeah, this is a good term

19:20

and it's had some twists and turns

19:22

before it got to mainstream English

19:25

and it came as you might guess

19:27

through hip -hop and before that it

19:29

might have come from gang or

19:31

biker culture but it really shows up

19:33

first in American

19:35

language in the mid -1990s

19:37

in hip -hop. Artists like

19:40

Tupac Shakur had it in their

19:42

songs. He's got a couple songs

19:44

in 1996 where it shows up.

19:46

And more famously, there's a song

19:48

by a group called The Locks,

19:50

L -O -X, called Ride or Die

19:52

Bee. Bee's standing for a word

19:54

that's impolite, and I can't say

19:56

it in the year, but, you

19:58

know, a coarse term for a

20:00

woman. But There's

20:02

also a ride or die chick or

20:04

ride or die girl or ride

20:06

or die woman or ride or die

20:08

gal. And a lot of times

20:10

it's about your best friend or your

20:12

romantic partner who will go with

20:14

you to the end. She is going

20:17

to ride shotgun with you or

20:19

ride pillion on your motorbike. Pillion is,

20:21

you know, to ride behind you.

20:23

She'll go on your daily rounds on

20:25

a mission on a road trip

20:27

into the sunset with you, whatever you're

20:29

doing. She's there with you.

20:32

And a lot of these songs

20:34

from the 90s, maybe either

20:36

literally refer to Bonnie and Clyde

20:38

or indirectly refer to Bonnie

20:41

or Clyde. The idea of these

20:43

two people who are so

20:45

in sync, romantically and socially, their

20:47

goals are so aligned that

20:49

they're almost one person. But

20:53

that's awesome. Yeah, I was joking

20:55

around with my my own partner Are

20:57

we are we talking about a

20:59

friendship or romantic relationship or or a

21:01

biker game? Yeah, where why are

21:03

the choices riding our death? you know,

21:05

where are we riding? What are

21:07

we riding on? Originally, it was literally

21:09

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21:11

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21:13

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21:15

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21:17

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21:19

It's not a one -way commitment. It's

21:21

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21:23

there's a lot of complications here. You

21:26

will find some actually really thoughtful

21:28

pieces that people have written about this,

21:30

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21:32

in professional journals, talking about the ride

21:34

or die idea. What it means

21:36

to say that someone is your ride

21:38

or die, or your ride or

21:40

die woman, or your ride or die

21:43

chick. And it's actually really, really

21:45

interesting. There's an article called, Why Ride

21:47

or Die Culture Promotes Unhealthy Relationships. Yeah.

21:52

I'll have to check that out. Yeah. So

21:54

it's a really, it's more than just

21:56

a saying. Well, Patrick, thank you

21:58

so much for calling with that question and

22:00

do give your ride or die our

22:02

best. Yeah. Yeah, I will do that. Thank

22:04

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22:06

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22:11

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23:29

you have a way with words. Hi, my

23:31

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23:34

daughter, Margo, who's one, and we're calling from

23:36

Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Well, hello, Sam

23:38

and Margo. Well, Margo

23:40

and I love books by the

23:42

children's authors. Sandra Boynton and we

23:44

read her books all the time

23:46

and she uses a lot of

23:48

animal sounds in her books Yes,

23:50

and we love learning about these

23:53

onomatopoeia words But as we're reading

23:55

them the one sound that kind

23:57

of stuck out to us was

23:59

when her dogs make the sound

24:01

bow Wow Because we just have

24:03

never heard a dog make that

24:05

sound and it really made us

24:07

think you know, so we're wondering

24:10

if there's a more unique origin

24:12

for the phrase bow wow

24:14

for a dog sound. Right. That's a

24:16

really good question. So let me ask

24:18

you, is Margo old enough where she's

24:20

imitating animals yet? Yes. So that

24:22

is something we've thought about because, you know,

24:24

right now she's making a wolf -wolf sound

24:26

with a little confusion. There's also a

24:28

bow -wow sound. Yeah. I could see that

24:30

being an issue because you kind of fixate

24:32

on one sound at that age. Good

24:35

question. Let's help Margo out, Martha. Yeah.

24:38

That is so interesting. So

24:40

Margo says wolf -wolf usually? Yep.

24:42

And so she hasn't graduated to

24:44

ruff, ruff. No, not yet. Arf,

24:47

arf. Yeah, I was going to say, what

24:49

about arf, arf? No, there's a lot of

24:51

them, but there's yap, yap. Right. And

24:55

then there was growling. Yeah,

24:57

yeah. Well,

24:59

you know, what's interesting about all

25:01

of these terms that we're

25:04

using is that the oldest one

25:06

is Bow Wow. which

25:08

I think a lot of people

25:10

are going to find really surprising,

25:12

but it goes all the way

25:14

back to at least Shakespeare's time.

25:16

You know, in the Tempest, there's

25:18

a line, hark, hark, bow, wow,

25:20

the watchdogs bark. And

25:22

he spells it, interestingly,

25:24

B -O -W -G -H, W

25:27

-A -W -G -H. And

25:29

so that got sort of solidified

25:32

early in the language. And the

25:34

others that we were talking about,

25:36

like roof, roof, and arf, arf,

25:38

come along much later, like in

25:40

the century. which

25:43

I just find fascinating. That

25:45

it should be so late for these

25:47

other onomatopoeias to come along? Yeah.

25:49

And in the meantime, Bow

25:51

Wow sort of got solidified in

25:53

the language. So what you're

25:55

saying is it's kind of this

25:57

problem that we have a

25:59

difficulty, I guess, explaining

26:01

sounds in written language. And we know

26:03

this with English because English is

26:05

bad at representing sounds, isn't it? Yeah.

26:09

When we hear a sound, how

26:11

accurate can we get at

26:13

putting it in print? And it

26:15

turns out, sometimes not very

26:17

accurate. Exactly. And Sam,

26:19

I'm also thinking about my dog,

26:21

who's a pretty big guy.

26:23

And I'm trying to imagine him

26:25

saying, bow, wow. And, you

26:27

know, they don't really make that

26:29

kind of bee sound, do

26:31

they? You know, that sort of

26:33

labial, I mean, maybe. But

26:35

what that bee represents, Martha, is

26:37

that abrupt start to the

26:39

sound, that kind of explosive start.

26:42

Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, I can

26:44

sort of see him, like, his

26:46

flues, you know, the sides of

26:49

his mouth, his flues fluttering, maybe

26:51

with the bow -wow. But, you

26:53

know, it's really interesting to look

26:55

at all the different dog sounds

26:57

in other languages, too. I

26:59

think there might be some that

27:01

start with B. The Italian is

27:03

one. Oh, that's right, bow -bow, right?

27:06

Bow -bow, yeah, that's right. And there's some that

27:08

start with B in Tamil. And

27:10

Catalan is bop -bop. It's

27:12

also B and there's other ones

27:14

that's and there's other ones that start

27:16

with G which is almost it's

27:18

not a it's it's also abrupt But

27:20

it's not a plosive that starts

27:22

with the on the on the lips

27:24

Yeah, like Greek is Gavgav. Gavgav,

27:26

yeah. Spanish is wow -wow, and German

27:28

is voof -voof, and Korean is mong -mong.

27:30

I mean, the mong -mong in Korean

27:33

sort of sounds like wow -wow, I

27:35

guess. Well, those ones that start

27:37

on the lips with like Icelandic, fuff

27:39

-fuff, that's your, that's happening on your

27:41

lips again. Again, that's happening, that's

27:43

your abrupt sound again, like the bow

27:45

-wow. Like the bow, yeah. So

27:48

a lot of people around the

27:50

world, a lot of languages are doing

27:52

their best to represent the sound

27:54

and everybody's kind of doing an okay

27:56

job, but not a very good

27:58

job. So Sam,

28:00

have you all gotten to roosters yet?

28:04

Yeah, a little bit. We're going through

28:06

all the Aminal sounds and we

28:08

definitely practice the cock -a -doodle -doo. Okay,

28:10

yeah. Yeah, that's another one

28:12

in Spanish. It's ki -ki -di -ki. Who

28:15

is it? It's Coco Rico. Oh,

28:18

is that, what is that? I don't,

28:20

I don't really, I don't, but that's my

28:22

favorite one. I much prefer it to

28:24

Cock -a -doodle -loo. Coco Rico. Well,

28:29

I will leave you

28:31

with my favorite dog barking

28:33

onomatopoeia. And this is

28:35

from Albanian and it's Ham

28:37

Ham. Great,

28:41

we'll learn that one next. Well,

28:43

Sam, thank you for making us make all

28:45

these sounds. Yes.

28:48

Thank you for the help. We're going to practice. All

28:50

right. And you take care, Sam. Thanks, you too.

28:52

All right. Bye -bye. Okay. Hello. You have

28:54

a way with words. Hi there.

28:56

My name is Tim

28:59

Affalter, which is a

29:01

Swiss name. And I'm calling about

29:03

a word that my grandparents used.

29:06

They were immigrants from

29:08

Switzerland in the

29:10

early 1900s. My grandmother

29:12

was a pretty

29:14

basic cook. And

29:16

one of the dishes that she

29:18

made for us was cubed up

29:20

bread. I think it was probably

29:22

the day before bread. And

29:24

that she would fry in a frying

29:26

pan with butter until it was kind

29:28

of toasted on all sides. And then

29:31

she'd break eggs over the top and

29:33

scramble them. So you'd get these crunchy

29:35

little croutons inside scrambled eggs. It was

29:37

really good. And I still make it

29:39

to this day. She

29:41

called it Now,

29:45

I'm not sure if that's just

29:47

how my youthful ears interpreted

29:49

it or whether that's the actual

29:51

word, but it sounded

29:54

like that. And I just wondered

29:56

if you had any knowledge

29:58

of a dish or a word

30:00

from the Swiss area, I

30:02

guess it would be Germany as

30:04

well. That

30:06

might explain what that means.

30:08

And Tim, you said that

30:10

your Swiss grandparents immigrated. Where

30:12

are you now? At

30:15

British Columbia, straight north of Spokane,

30:17

Washington. We're about a half an

30:19

hour over the Canada -US border

30:21

in a little town called Castlegar.

30:23

Oh, lovely. Got it. Yeah, good

30:25

country up there. Yeah, it's beautiful.

30:28

So this sounds like a really yummy

30:30

dish, toasted bread. fried

30:32

in a pan with butter

30:34

coated with egg. Your

30:36

pronunciation is incredibly close

30:39

to the actual word. You've

30:41

kept it. After all

30:43

these years, you maintained the

30:45

actual word. The

30:47

Swiss German dish

30:49

is Fogelhoi, and it

30:51

spells, believe it or not,

30:53

with a V because the V sounds like an F.

30:56

V -O -G -E -L -H

30:58

-E -U. And

31:00

it means... hay.

31:03

Vogel means bird and H -E -U -Hoy

31:05

means hay. It's etymologically related to

31:08

the English word hay. You can

31:10

actually see it in the spelling

31:12

H -E -U. It's

31:14

because it resembles a bird's nest or a

31:16

pile of hay. One of my Swiss

31:18

German dictionaries describes it as, quote, a

31:20

rustic dish made from bread, cubes,

31:22

egg, milk, and onions. Did

31:25

your grandparents put onions in it?

31:27

You know, they didn't, but

31:29

I actually add onions and actually

31:31

a little green pepper to

31:33

mine. I always thought I was

31:35

bastardizing the dish, but it

31:37

was... That's how I actually like

31:39

it is with a little garlic salt

31:41

and some onion in there and it

31:43

just tastes really good and crunchy little

31:46

like cubes. So it does pop up

31:48

again and again again and they specifically

31:50

talk about just like french toast. This

31:52

is how you use stale bread or

31:54

scrap bread pieces. So that's

31:56

what this is mainly for. It's not, you

31:58

wouldn't take like really quality You just do

32:01

like the you know, the random

32:03

little bits of scrap bread from the end

32:05

of the loaf or something. Yeah. And

32:07

there are other recipes by

32:10

the same name, Fogelhoi, again, V

32:12

-O -G -E -L -H -E -U, that

32:14

in Germany and Austria and other

32:16

parts of Switzerland, but the recipes can

32:18

vary quite a bit. They tend

32:20

to have bread almost always, and they

32:22

didn't have egg almost always, but

32:24

sometimes they're very sweet. And sometimes they're

32:26

actually more like, like a, far

32:28

more like a dessert and very much

32:30

less like a... an egg

32:32

dish. They're almost always breakfast -y.

32:34

Yeah, how cool that you have

32:37

that linguistic heirloom. That's really cool,

32:39

Tim. Yeah, it is. Tim, thank

32:41

you for sharing your memories and your recipe

32:43

with us. I guess we'll train that this

32:45

weekend. There you

32:47

go. Take care now. Take

32:49

care, Tim. Nice talking to you. Bye

32:51

-bye. All right, bye -bye. You too.

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38:04

Hello, this is Steve Davis from Rock

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it singing? super excited. All

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kinds of stuff. I'm actually a singer -songwriter,

38:19

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38:22

perfect. What's

38:24

on your mind and your heart? So

38:27

just briefly backstory from

38:29

Green River, Wyoming originally.

38:32

which is a town where the freight

38:34

trains come through. And

38:36

as a result, in the summertime, we

38:39

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38:41

like teenagers, 21 year

38:43

old people that ride the freight

38:45

trains that stay in my

38:47

hometown. And when I was 19,

38:50

I one time decided to

38:52

go on a journey and

38:54

I rode some trains with

38:57

these kids to California and

38:59

then I ended up uh,

39:01

riding trains all across America for

39:03

a couple of summers. And

39:05

I picked up on some really cool lingo. Basically

39:09

the first one is

39:11

a word called spanging, which

39:13

is maybe S P

39:15

A N G I N

39:18

G, I suppose. Yeah.

39:20

Um, but yeah, but a

39:22

lot of people would say it

39:24

and it just means going

39:26

and holding a cardboard sign and

39:29

looking for basically handouts or

39:31

looking for spare change. Yes, Spanging.

39:33

That one is used in

39:35

a lot of the street cultures,

39:37

right? Spanging asks

39:39

a combo of spare, change,

39:41

spange. Oh, spange,

39:44

okay. Yes, spange,

39:46

yes, spare, changing. And

39:48

lots of people said it, people said

39:50

it from New York. So like Grant said,

39:52

a lot of people apparently use this

39:54

term. But I was just

39:56

curious of like, how old is

39:58

it? Is it like... guy in

40:00

Britain from 1872, like, I'm tired

40:02

of saying bad things. Or

40:05

is this like in the 80s, you

40:07

know? I don't know. Farthest

40:09

I've found it is in the

40:11

80s, but I wouldn't be surprised if

40:14

it's older than that. Okay, sweet.

40:16

And that was my kind of guess,

40:18

because I was like, it sounds

40:20

a little more modern. Yeah, those blends,

40:22

like blends aren't that new, but

40:24

blends became really frequent in the 80s.

40:26

So that solves that. pretty briefly.

40:28

And then the other term that I

40:30

wanted to talk to you guys

40:32

about is when you are waiting to

40:34

ride a train, you have to

40:36

kind of wait nearby. And

40:38

there is somebody who works

40:40

for you, one of the

40:43

railroad companies that's looking out

40:45

to try to stop you

40:47

from trespassing on private property,

40:49

basically. But he's referred to

40:51

as the bull, he

40:53

or she. Right.

40:56

And I mean, the bull is

40:58

not a police officer or a security

41:00

guard. It's like they're hired muscle,

41:02

I suppose. They have a

41:04

lot of other responsibilities, I'm sure, but one

41:06

of their main ones is, hey,

41:08

you can't be here, you know, go

41:11

somewhere else. So I

41:13

was wondering if there's any other like

41:15

I thought of stowaways on ships.

41:17

And I was like, is there someone

41:19

that looks out for stowaways on

41:21

ships? Are they referred to as the

41:23

bull? Well, the bull bull actually

41:25

has a broad use. It goes back

41:28

to perhaps as early as the

41:30

1850s, but definitely to the 1890s. And

41:32

it's used in definitely for trained

41:34

security, but also for

41:36

police, prison guards and

41:38

detectives. And occasionally for

41:40

people who impersonate police

41:42

officers in order to,

41:45

you know, demand money

41:47

from people as fake

41:49

bribes. It may have

41:51

actually started as slang

41:53

among people who ride

41:55

trains, the bull. And

41:58

if you read some of Jack

42:00

London's writings, if you know that writer,

42:02

Jack London, he uses bull in

42:04

his writing to refer to the railroad

42:06

security. That is

42:08

awesome. So we have really good

42:10

records on that particular bit of

42:13

lingo. All right.

42:15

Yeah, so that is that is

42:17

good to know and I guess

42:19

I didn't even think about prison

42:21

prison guard like Oh, yeah, it's

42:23

current. Yeah bull is bull is

42:25

current slaying and many prisons. Awesome.

42:27

I I just wanted to know

42:29

about that and You know just

42:31

uh, share with you guys some

42:33

of those Terminologies that were used

42:35

while I was on the road.

42:38

Um, it just briefly Like when

42:40

you're riding trains, they have different

42:42

names for different types of rides.

42:44

Yeah. And I thought that that would

42:47

be something that you just want

42:49

to hear about is for sure. The

42:51

slower trains are the ones that

42:53

are a mix of different types of

42:55

cars, like an oil tanker, a

42:57

rain, and that you would call that

42:59

riding junk, which was like the

43:01

slow way. And if you say like,

43:03

I'm riding junk back to Oregon

43:05

or something, it means like, I'm going

43:08

to take my time. I'm not

43:10

really worried about getting there. fast and

43:12

there's another one. The pusher engine

43:14

is called the Cadillac because there's nobody

43:16

in there and there's toilet and

43:18

there's a fridge. And

43:20

I must also say as

43:22

a disclaimer, I was a respectful

43:25

train rider. I was out

43:27

there to learn different guitar techniques

43:29

from different cultures and cities

43:31

and write songs along the way.

43:33

So I was like gentle

43:35

and kind. I wasn't crazier. Yeah,

43:37

one thing that Steve, I

43:39

love about your, you in particular,

43:41

is that as a singer,

43:44

songwriter, musician, you kind

43:46

of inherit this old tradition of

43:48

the travelers from the 1940s,

43:50

the people who rode the rails,

43:52

because I feel like street

43:54

performers and buskers inherit some of

43:56

that. that spirit, you know,

43:58

of earning money as they pass

44:00

through other people's lives of

44:02

storytelling or moving from town to

44:04

town. So it's, there's kind

44:06

of a continuation in what you

44:08

do as a musician to

44:10

that life of the, the, how

44:12

shall we call this, the

44:14

irregular train traveler. Yeah. And I,

44:16

and you know, also, and

44:18

I appreciate that because I did

44:20

go looking for the story,

44:22

basically, or looking for inspiration and

44:24

Also hitchhiking is way more

44:26

dangerous. And when you're on that,

44:28

because you don't know who's

44:30

going to pick you up. But

44:32

on the train, you're alone

44:34

and you're there with your journal

44:36

and pen and you can

44:38

write down stuff. And I mean,

44:41

it was a really glorious

44:43

experience. It was really awesome. And

44:45

I did learn a lot of different

44:47

types of finger picking techniques from buskers

44:50

because they're some of the most talented

44:52

performers in general. Right.

44:55

You go to New Orleans or New

44:57

York and there's different dialects of music that

44:59

you're picking up on and learning from

45:01

the most talented street performers of that area.

45:03

So thank you so much for sharing

45:05

your memories and this language with us. I

45:07

got to say, it sounds like you

45:09

are living a great life, man. So

45:11

rock on and keep, keep strong and

45:13

stay out there and do your thing.

45:15

I will. And thank you so much

45:17

for having me on the show. I

45:19

enjoyed it. Bye bye. Before

45:21

we go, I want to recommend a book,

45:23

Martha, that I think really fits

45:25

into the spirit of what Steve

45:28

was talking about. It's called On the

45:30

Fly, Hobo Literature and Songs, 18th

45:32

century 9 to 1941, edited by Ian

45:34

McIntyre from 2018. Just a

45:36

fantastic book. We'll link to

45:38

that from the website. And on

45:40

our website, waywardradio .org, you can

45:42

find all kinds of ways

45:44

to reach us, waywardradio .org slash

45:46

contact. We

45:58

talked before about very short

46:00

town names, but there's also a

46:02

very short river name. In

46:04

Oregon, there's a river that's simply

46:06

called D. The

46:08

letter D. The letter

46:11

D. And

46:13

the D River is just 440

46:15

feet long. It used to

46:17

hold the world record for the

46:19

shortest river on earth, according

46:21

to the Guinness Book of World

46:23

Records, but then that was

46:25

contested by people backing the Rowe

46:27

River in Montana. The

46:30

D is 440 feet

46:32

and the Rowe supposedly is

46:35

201 feet, but there was some controversy

46:37

over how you measure the distance

46:39

of those rivers, and so now the

46:41

Guinness Book of World Records does

46:44

not list the shortest river in the

46:46

world. But the D, is there

46:48

a story there about why it's just

46:50

called the D? I think it

46:52

was part of a naming contest, and

46:55

somebody suggested that name. I think

46:57

it's near Devils Lake, so somebody

46:59

just shortened it to D. You

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We love talking about the names

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47:10

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47:12

you name it. Hi, you

47:14

have a way with words. Hi, my

47:17

name is Deb. I'm calling from

47:19

Sheboygan, Wisconsin. I

47:21

have a couple of questions

47:23

about phrases my mother used

47:25

to use. My

47:27

mom has been gone a few

47:30

years now, but She

47:32

was originally from Milwaukee. Her

47:35

parents came from

47:37

Slovakia. But one

47:39

of the phrases she used was, wouldn't

47:42

that just cork you? And

47:44

I don't know where she

47:47

picked that up. I don't know

47:49

where it comes from, but

47:51

my kids have adopted it. They

47:53

loved it. So I was

47:55

wondering about that one. Devin,

47:58

what kind of context would

48:00

she say that? Wouldn't that

48:02

just cork you? Oh, when

48:04

she was annoyed or disappointed

48:06

and, you know, nothing, nothing

48:08

angry, but, you know,

48:10

something like, oh, I, I left work

48:13

early to meet the repairman and

48:15

he never showed up or something like

48:17

that. Yeah. Yeah.

48:19

So, you know, what's happening there with

48:21

that cork, that's a, that's an old

48:23

verb meaning to cork something means to

48:25

stop it up. Like you would put

48:27

a cork in a bottle. Um,

48:29

and basically it means wouldn't that

48:31

just shut you up? Wouldn't that just

48:34

make you stop talking out of

48:36

frustration or anger or surprise or fear

48:38

or delight? And so it's the

48:40

same way that we might say to

48:42

the somebody that will shut up

48:44

when, when somebody says something to you

48:46

that surprises you, right? Yeah,

48:48

somebody says, you know, I, I got

48:50

into Harvard and you're like, shut up.

48:53

Um, you know, cause it's so surprising.

48:55

You can't believe it. So you're just

48:57

like, I mean, I have no. words

48:59

for this. I don't know what to

49:01

say. I'm shut up with surprise. I'm

49:03

corked with surprise. Yeah,

49:06

she was kind of outspoken

49:08

and a little bit feisty

49:10

too, so she used that

49:12

phrase a lot. really?

49:15

Deb, do you know the

49:17

expression a real corker? something that

49:19

is maybe really exciting or

49:21

exceptional or unusual. I have heard

49:23

that expression. It's related. So

49:26

something's a real cork. It's something

49:28

that's so exceptional. You're

49:30

wordless. You're speechless. Because

49:33

you're corked up. Like a bottle is corked

49:35

up and so nothing can come out. Okay.

49:41

Yeah, I just, I don't hear

49:43

many people use that expression, so

49:45

I was curious about it. So

49:47

what else did your mom say? Well,

49:50

she used this on

49:52

me many, many, many times.

49:54

She'd say, you

49:56

listen like a fish. Really?

50:00

So you kind of look at her

50:02

with your mouth hanging open like

50:05

a fish in a tank? I'm

50:08

not sure. I mean, it was

50:11

later on in her years, she

50:13

followed it up by, I'm going

50:15

to get a tape recorder because

50:17

you're not paying attention to me.

50:19

That is a perfect parental

50:21

insult. You said she was

50:23

from Slovakia? Yes. Well, her

50:25

parents were. Her parents She was born in

50:28

Milwaukee. He is. And

50:30

she's used words from all

50:32

kinds of different languages. didn't

50:35

understand, and I don't understand so

50:37

much. She usually used that to keep

50:39

us kids from knowing what she

50:41

was thinking. Oh, that old trick. That

50:44

old trick, yes. Well,

50:46

Deb, thank you so much for

50:48

calling and sharing these expressions. I

50:50

love that your kids are now

50:52

carrying on. Wouldn't that just cork

50:54

you? Oh, I love that too.

50:56

Because it sounds so fashion. I'm

50:58

just imagining these, these pert little

51:00

buggers running around using these old

51:02

fashioned expressions. We're going

51:05

to, yes, and we're extending it

51:07

to the grandchildren. Absolutely.

51:09

That's the way to do that. You

51:12

take care now, Deb. And call us again sometime

51:14

when you remember some more, all right? Thank you

51:16

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