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I hope you had a great weekend.

1:20

I spent some time reading and I

1:23

love when I remember to carve out

1:25

time to just read things that fill

1:27

my soul. And I read a

1:30

book by Tasha Silver called Outrageous

1:32

Openness. I want to have her

1:34

on the podcast. It was all about

1:36

letting the divine take the lead. And

1:38

then I read a business book by

1:41

Dan Martel called Buying Back Your

1:43

Time, which is great. I want to

1:45

also have him on the podcast, but

1:47

I'm curious what great book you have

1:50

read. recently. If you want to tell

1:52

me you can DM me on Instagram,

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truly curious. I love reading books that

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changed my life in just a few

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pages. And PS. if you haven't bought

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this episode is a little bit

2:31

different. I had the pleasure of

2:33

being interviewed by Jason Mark Campbellle

2:35

for his masteringing. and I really

2:37

enjoyed the way he interviewed. I

2:39

enjoyed his question. The conversation was

2:42

great. And so I asked him

2:44

if I could share that interview

2:46

with you guys on the podcast

2:48

today as an exclusive sneak peek,

2:50

a preview of his summit, and

2:52

he was so generous, and he

2:54

was so generous, and he said

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yes. So this is what we're

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going to play for you today.

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can check it out there. All

3:33

right, let's get into today. around

3:35

abundance, particularly what are the practical

3:37

ways that you can bring more

3:39

abundance into your life? I'm so

3:41

excited that I have Kathy Heller

3:43

joining me. She is the one

3:45

behind Abundant Ever After. Tools for

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creating a life of prosperity and

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ease. Also, one of the most

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abundant life. Here, all the insights

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that you need. It's been downloaded

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over 45 million. time so most

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of you have probably already been

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in contact with Kathy and her

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messages she is here talking about

4:11

the law of reception and has

4:13

a deep understanding of the principles

4:16

of manifestation. And if you're on

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this journey to mastering abundance, this

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is going to be a key

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tool that you're going to want

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to bring into your life so

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you can attract the wealth, the

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health, the relationships, and so much

4:30

more. Kathy, welcome. It's a pleasure

4:32

to have you here. Thank you

4:34

so much. That was such a

4:36

beautiful intro. I'll take you with

4:38

me wherever I go. Well, I'll

4:40

be doing these all day. I

4:42

wanted to kind of kick it

4:44

off with the fact that you've

4:46

just done. get to more abundance.

4:48

And I'd be curious to know

4:50

since this is exactly the kinds

4:52

of initiatives that you're all about,

4:54

what is the biggest problem people

4:56

seem to face when they're coming

4:58

to a summit for abundance? They're

5:00

joining your challenge for abundance. There

5:03

must be a clear reason that

5:05

people are wanting to make a

5:07

change. So what is it that

5:09

you see in most of people's

5:11

lives when they want to change

5:13

towards being more abundant? I think

5:15

that there's a lot to unpack

5:17

with that, but... One of the

5:19

most universal pieces is that people

5:21

sometimes are unconsciously believing that abundance

5:23

is outside of them. And that

5:25

in order to feel more abundant,

5:27

they need to acquire more things.

5:29

And then the more piles of

5:31

stuff they have, they will finally

5:33

feel abundant. And the truth is

5:35

that it's the opposite. whole within

5:37

the most people don't grasp. And

5:39

so when we're in lack and

5:41

we're in lack and we're trying

5:43

to prove ourselves and impress the

5:45

world and constantly achieve or constantly

5:47

acquire more, we just keep pushing

5:50

abundance further and further away. So

5:52

it starts within and that's what

5:54

most people don't grasp. you know

5:56

passion and purpose is very aligned

5:58

with abundance itself. I would assume

6:00

that it's played a significant role

6:02

in your life and in your

6:04

journey, and I'd love to have a

6:06

chance to unpack, how did you find

6:08

yourself to be the person that's really

6:10

helping people around abundance ever after in

6:13

the process? So for me, I wound

6:15

up living in Jerusalem for three

6:17

years. I know Jay Sheddi talks about how

6:19

he was a monk that he lived in

6:22

India for three years. So I wasn't expecting

6:24

to do that, but after college, I went

6:26

on a trip and I... thought I was

6:28

going to be there for a few weeks

6:30

and I stayed for three years and

6:32

I learned Jewish mysticism and Kabala

6:35

from a really holy family, a

6:37

rabbi, Rabbi David Aaron and his

6:39

wife and seven children. I lived with

6:41

them in the old city of Jerusalem

6:43

and the word Kabala means to receive.

6:45

That's what the Hebrew word means. And

6:48

Kabala is really like a code. It's

6:50

like an energetic code and if the

6:52

word means to receive it means

6:54

that Judaism is basically saying that

6:56

the human mandate. is to be a

6:58

receiver. And so what does it mean?

7:01

It means that every one of

7:03

us is like a light bulb, and

7:05

God is the light, right? So we

7:07

each have the capacity to receive

7:10

that light and be a vessel

7:12

for that light, which is

7:14

the most abundant thing you

7:16

could be. And so the idea is

7:18

a receiver should be radical

7:20

reception. You should have

7:23

the best reception. And another

7:25

way that Ravayarin explains it

7:27

is like a radio is a receiver.

7:29

And if I turned on a radio

7:31

right now, we would hear music, but

7:33

we could tune it to many different

7:36

channels. And depending on where

7:38

the radio is tuned, that is

7:40

what we will receive. So

7:42

the reality that you're

7:45

experiencing is the one you're tuned to.

7:47

So the idea for me is that...

7:49

Abundance is what everybody seems

7:51

to be after, but when you

7:54

tune to abundance within, your

7:56

soul is abundant. You are a

7:58

piece of the infinite. more that

8:00

you go deep into what is

8:02

really at your core love, equanimity,

8:04

joy, creativity, flow state, that is

8:06

like the gift that keeps are

8:08

on giving. It's infinite. Once somebody

8:10

enters flow state, there is no

8:13

end to what downloads they'll have,

8:15

to what force, because they become

8:17

a transmitter of energy, which is

8:19

abundance itself. So I find that

8:21

fascinating and intriguing and deeply purposeful.

8:23

And then in life, everybody's looking

8:25

for making money because they forget

8:27

that that will never do it

8:29

for you. Nobody ever said, oh

8:31

my God, I finally acquired enough

8:33

stuff. And now I feel so

8:35

deeply radically, I feel transcendent because

8:37

of my stuff. Right? The transcendence

8:39

comes from... really cracking the code

8:41

on what is abundant about you,

8:43

which is your energy, your soul,

8:45

your life force. And what I

8:48

found to be fascinating is when

8:50

you crack that and you become

8:52

the greatest emanator of energy, you

8:54

become very abundant. And that's when

8:56

I realize, oh my God, I

8:58

never had the vision board or

9:00

the intention of making millions of

9:02

dollars, but I do because I

9:04

didn't need to because abundance follows

9:06

abundance. And so a lot of

9:08

times, you can then be a

9:10

steward of that. And so there's

9:12

a lot of names on the

9:14

bottom of hospitals because people who

9:16

become abundant can then steward that

9:18

abundance. And so we have a

9:21

lot of weird beliefs about money.

9:23

We often think that the more

9:25

money you have, the worse of

9:27

a person you are. But there's

9:29

plenty of horrible people with money,

9:31

and there's plenty of poor people

9:33

without money. So it's not the

9:35

money because there's plenty of great

9:37

people who have no money and

9:39

there's plenty of great people who

9:41

do have money So people can

9:43

be good or bad. There's nothing

9:45

to do with money Nothing in

9:47

fact money the toll mode says

9:49

a money is an amplifier. So

9:51

whatever you are it becomes exaggerated

9:53

so If you're a person with

9:56

integrity, you'll do more good with

9:58

money. You'll use your home to

10:00

host benefits for charities. If you're

10:02

a person who's horrible and you

10:04

have money, it'll just exaggerate how

10:06

out of integrity you are. You'll

10:08

use it to do destructive things.

10:10

So the money is not the

10:12

issue. But what is the issue

10:14

is, the more abundance you find

10:16

within yourself, you are so tapped

10:18

in and turned on that everyone

10:20

has good ideas just being around

10:22

you. because your energy itself opens

10:24

up their portal to their own

10:26

energy and like the amount of

10:29

things that will turn to gold

10:31

will lead to abundance on the

10:33

physical level as well and then

10:35

what's really fun is you just

10:37

get to steward that you get

10:39

to enjoy it but you also

10:41

get to move it around the

10:43

world and so that's why I

10:45

wrote the book because I find

10:47

that that whole thing is really

10:49

quite intriguing. I'm very

10:51

curious because you've worked with so many

10:53

students and you've helped them kind of

10:56

tune into abundance within themselves and I

10:58

don't know if there's an example that

11:00

you share around what does it look

11:02

like when someone's let's say on that

11:04

journey to acquire more abundance and going

11:06

at it maybe the assumed wrong way

11:09

and when they are tuned in well

11:11

how does that they unfold how does

11:13

that energy or activity and mindset shift

11:15

when you're doing it from one way

11:17

versus another because there's a plenty of

11:19

people that have been doing it in

11:22

a certain way that hasn't been working

11:24

and I'd be curious to know if

11:26

there's a distinction to make so we

11:28

can click is to oh wow I

11:30

might be needing to switch groups here.

11:32

Yeah I mean the idea is that

11:35

when you make a list of, oh

11:37

wow I might be needing to switch

11:39

groups here. Yeah I mean the idea

11:41

is that when you make a list

11:43

of what you want, it will make

11:45

you feel. So

11:48

why would you wait to feel that

11:50

way? Why would you wait to feel

11:52

whatever you want to feel when you

11:54

can feel that way right now? So

11:57

that's the. doing it wrong. The doing

11:59

it wrong is saying, I won't feel,

12:01

however this is going to make me

12:04

feel, let's say you think being in

12:06

a relation will make you feel connected,

12:08

I won't feel connected until I have

12:10

it. Well, then you'll just keep pushing

12:13

it further away. Let's say you think

12:15

having a house in Fiji will make

12:17

you feel free and abundant until you

12:20

have it. Well, then you'll just keep

12:22

pushing it away. Because it's the feeling,

12:24

that actually is what creates the material

12:27

level. So when you're in the feeling

12:29

of abundance, you don't even need it.

12:31

You already felt it, which is when

12:33

you'll create it. Understood. Now, when I

12:36

want to tap into this, there's probably

12:38

a lot of inner work that needs

12:40

to be done. And I'm curious, what

12:43

are some of the first steps that

12:45

I should do if I want to

12:47

cultivate this inner abundance? And it's just

12:50

maybe even a foreign feeling to me,

12:52

and I've never thought that this is

12:54

something I could choose to feel now.

12:56

unconscious and not even awake. You're not

12:59

even driving the car. It's like your

13:01

mind is in charge, which is a

13:03

bad idea, because there's no answers in

13:06

the mind. All the answers are in

13:08

the heart. In fact, they recently did

13:10

an FMI on a bunch of monks

13:12

at Columbia. It's such little brain activity.

13:15

They couldn't believe they were alive, but

13:17

they're fully alive and healthy. And the

13:19

reason they have very little brain activity

13:22

is because they're not thinking with their

13:24

head. They think with their heart. That's

13:26

where all the wisdom is. So most

13:29

people are not plugged into their truth.

13:31

If you ever ask yourself, if you

13:33

stop in the middle of a Tuesday

13:35

and you say, what do you ask

13:38

your heart, what do I need to

13:40

remember right now? It's really amazing. There'll

13:42

be an answer. It'll probably say something

13:45

like, listen to your intuition. So the

13:47

hard part isn't finding your way to

13:49

that, because it's always like right there.

13:52

The hard part is trusting it. Because

13:54

we've been raised by well-meaning adults who

13:56

tell you not to trust that and

13:58

to... Put a pen to paper and

14:01

analyze everything and try to figure out

14:03

the ROI and overthink and overanalyze And

14:05

there's no answers in the mind. There's

14:08

no compass. There's no charts So first

14:10

you have to understand The way that

14:12

works and then I mean I've interviewed

14:14

a thousand people on my show everyone

14:17

at some point found their way to

14:19

meditation because of that So meditation is

14:21

witnessing the mind not being in the

14:24

blizzard of the mind and then you

14:26

say I'm gonna spend 10 minutes in

14:28

the morning and slow down and just

14:31

listen and just ask a good question

14:33

like what do I need to remember

14:35

today and there is an antenna you

14:37

know Einstein talked about this infinite field

14:40

there's an antenna that will pick up

14:42

what is the wisdom that you need

14:44

to hear right and so then you

14:47

start moving back to wholeness you start

14:49

moving back to wow my mind is

14:51

always in lack so it's always telling

14:54

me I'm not enough It's always telling

14:56

me I have to achieve more. It's

14:58

always making me feel everything's urgent and

15:00

stressful. My heart's like, sit beside the

15:03

river. And then when you do that,

15:05

things become synchronistic. All of a sudden

15:07

you're in a good mood, all of

15:10

a sudden you're chill, you're surrendered, you're

15:12

whole, and you bump right into the

15:14

person you needed to meet at the

15:17

coffee shop. So that's the practice. It's

15:19

moving out of the urgent, fear-based mind

15:21

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15:23

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16:55

that that's the right message. And

16:57

if you're trying to build that

16:59

trust muscle, given that you've been

17:01

very head heavy your whole life,

17:03

I guess we got to have

17:05

little winds or what are some

17:07

ways that you can maybe start

17:09

strengthening that muscle more? Well, I

17:11

think that we are all addicted

17:13

because we don't realize, but cortisol,

17:15

which is what comes from stress

17:17

in the mind, is more addictive

17:19

to the body than nicotine. So

17:21

you're more addicted to stressful thoughts

17:24

than you are to cigarettes. So

17:26

we have to wean ourselves off

17:28

of it. And it's hard because

17:30

it's addictive. Your body literally will

17:32

crave doubt and shame because cortisol

17:34

makes you feel this familiar feeling

17:36

of stress. It's kind of like

17:38

when you are on a people

17:40

mover in the airport and then

17:42

you get off and you feel

17:44

like you want to keep moving,

17:46

it feels uncomfortable to slow down.

17:48

When you get off of sugar.

17:50

You feel like that's an exciting

17:52

idea and then three days later

17:54

your headaches and your craving sugar

17:56

and you just

17:59

want the sugar,

18:01

which you know isn't good for you,

18:03

but it actually feels worse without it. So

18:06

in the beginning, when you tell yourself

18:08

to let go and surrender, your

18:11

body registers that as a danger.

18:13

And your body says that's not safe.

18:16

And then you start to feel

18:18

withdrawal of trying to

18:20

constantly be on hyper alert and

18:22

be in fight or flight because fight

18:24

or flight is what's cortisol driven and it

18:26

feels safer. So, yeah, you

18:28

have to start to create

18:31

a capacity to tell yourself

18:33

it's actually safe to be

18:35

calm and it's fascinating.

18:37

But it's just

18:39

like in a relationship, you know, people

18:41

talk about like they pick fights with

18:43

their partner and then they have

18:45

like 10 days where everything's really nice and

18:47

they actually find it icky because they're

18:50

they're actually finding like

18:52

it feels unsafe. It's like, well, maybe growing

18:54

up their parents spot all the time or

18:56

maybe growing up love was always a little

18:58

tense. Well, now everything is really nice. And

19:00

it's like, well, this is boring. Or

19:03

this can't be right because it actually

19:05

doesn't feel good. So then people

19:07

will create an argument because

19:09

it almost feels like, ah, finally,

19:11

there's some like familiar feeling. Now

19:13

I feel safe because I've just

19:15

distanced myself a little bit from

19:18

this person because the feeling of

19:20

vulnerability and really being having

19:22

a healthy attachment felt actually scary.

19:24

So I'll go back to unhealthy attachment.

19:26

It's like literally like it's

19:29

nonstop. So we have to

19:31

become wiser than that. And

19:33

we literally have to teach our nervous system.

19:36

It is safe to

19:38

be calm. This

19:40

is actually healthy. This is actually

19:42

better. That other thing that

19:44

feels familiar and therefore safer is

19:46

not good for you. In

19:48

fact, we know that

19:50

cortisol creates inflammation in the body and

19:53

every disease is created by inflammation. So

19:55

we are making ourselves sick. So

19:59

as much. as it feels good

20:01

and familiar to pick a fight or

20:03

to just constantly be addicted to pressure

20:05

and have pressure in your business, it's

20:07

making us ill. So we have enough

20:09

data, right? They say like to know and

20:12

not to do is just total ignorance. That's

20:14

where we're at now as a planet. We

20:16

used to not know. We used to just be

20:18

like, oh, she's in a good mood. She's in

20:20

a bad mood, like 50 years ago. Now we

20:23

have all the science. And we know

20:25

that people in the blue zones

20:27

live into their hundreds. They don't

20:29

have any cortisol going on. They

20:31

have no inflammation, and

20:34

then they live longer. But

20:36

they're not trying to make

20:38

the achievement every day. They're

20:40

not on Instagram all the

20:42

time. They're not constantly in

20:44

fight or flight. And then

20:46

their body knows how to live

20:48

till 113 and shorter lifespans.

20:51

So... At what point do we say,

20:53

you know what, as hard as it is

20:55

to get off sugar, as much as my

20:57

body is going to fight me, I'm in

20:59

control now. I'm doing it. I don't care.

21:02

I'm off. This is sick. They put

21:04

sugar in everything, right? So at

21:06

what point do you do that

21:08

with cortisol? And you say, as much as

21:10

I don't feel right, getting off of

21:12

stress, my life is more important.

21:15

So I'm going to do the

21:17

hard thing, which is to discipline

21:19

myself. to have longer stretches of

21:21

time where I say, regardless of what

21:23

my mind is going to do to

21:26

me, I'm going to tell myself, I'm

21:28

not going into over-functioning

21:31

mode, I'm in surrender and my body

21:33

won't like it. When I say that

21:35

I trust it's all working out and

21:37

I'm in a state of well-being and

21:40

I keep being in gratitude and I

21:42

keep just enjoying looking at the trees

21:44

and my mind's going to say, you're

21:46

crazy, what are you doing? because

21:48

it's going to make me live a

21:51

shorter life. So what else do I

21:53

need to know? I mean, it's

21:55

just so fascinating. We can come

21:57

at this from a million different

21:59

angles. The truth of the matter

22:01

is, the person who walks in

22:03

a room and all the doors

22:05

open for them is the person

22:07

who's most at ease. The most

22:09

impressive person is the person who's

22:11

most present. It's not the person

22:13

who's trying so hard to get

22:15

the deal done. The girl who

22:17

goes on a date and is

22:19

just liking her life. And she's

22:21

holding very lightly. She's just not

22:24

clutching and not trying. She just

22:26

is. Every guy will be into

22:28

her because wholeness is attractive, right?

22:30

Because wholeness attracts. We don't attract

22:32

from lack. So whether we feel

22:34

good being in wholeness or not,

22:36

wholeness is the vibe. And we

22:38

have to keep practicing. And so

22:40

I say all this to say.

22:42

I'm giving you the benefit out.

22:44

It does suck. You won't like

22:46

it. I understand. You'd rather eat

22:48

cheetos, sit on the couch, flare

22:50

up with cortisol, and worry all

22:52

day, and doom scroll. I get

22:54

it. Your body's addicted to it.

22:56

But guess what? You know better.

22:58

So you're bigger than your body,

23:00

and you're going to override the

23:02

cortisol and say, you can handle

23:04

this. And then what happens is,

23:06

after a few days of practicing

23:08

it, you will tolerate it. And

23:10

then your life starts to get

23:12

pretty good, and then you're not

23:14

in crazy dramatic relationships, you're not

23:16

having big blow-ups all the time,

23:18

your bank account's not an empty,

23:20

there's no big pressure issue, and

23:22

you go, oh my God, this

23:24

is so weird, life is actually

23:27

not meant to be awful? You're

23:29

like, no, it's actually not meant

23:31

to be awful? You're like, no,

23:33

it's actually really delightful. Life is

23:35

really, like, what did you do

23:37

with the news, it's on the

23:39

news, on the news, What's more

23:41

interesting is how many billions of

23:43

us are nice and kind. Why?

23:45

Why? There should be a whole

23:47

world of Armageddon. It's usually mostly

23:49

not, and then there's a lot

23:51

of weird... stuff, there's always been

23:53

eight billion people. Come on, there's

23:55

got to be weird people. Why

23:57

are you focusing there? It's not

23:59

your business. Get it together, right?

24:01

Step into wholeness, step into creation,

24:03

go be a vibe, go help

24:05

your neighbor, go make something beautiful,

24:07

go enjoy the trees. Nobody gets

24:09

the end of their life and

24:11

gets an award for most depleted

24:13

person. So I don't think in

24:15

the blue zones they feel like

24:17

they have a lack of empathy

24:19

because they're not watching the news

24:21

all day. No, instead they're making

24:23

ecology grow and they're working in

24:25

systems that we're now learning from

24:27

and without even trying to be

24:30

famous or known for it, they're

24:32

just helping the rest of humanity.

24:34

So that's the path, right? And

24:36

we're just, we're a little on

24:38

a different path because we're all

24:40

addicted to the dopamine of the

24:42

phone and the stress. So just

24:44

having that global awareness, you then

24:46

know you're not crazy for why

24:48

it's hard. and I think it's

24:50

easier to start to step toward

24:52

it. Well, you've got a pretty

24:54

strong prescription for everybody who's here

24:56

looking to master abundance. That's a

24:58

lot of actions already of things

25:00

that we have in our routines

25:02

that we need to wean off.

25:04

And you've already spoken, you know,

25:06

of some of the things that

25:08

you could, I don't know if

25:10

substitute is the word, but you

25:12

spoke about being a bit more

25:14

mindful and bringing some types of

25:16

practices like that you've interviewed. so

25:18

many people who've brought that into

25:20

their life and it brought massive

25:22

benefits you've shared some examples of

25:24

what you could be doing but

25:26

more concretely do you find that

25:28

there's some initial activities if someone's

25:30

going to be doing this transition

25:33

getting off that cortisol train that

25:35

happened to be some of the

25:37

things that can substitute what you've

25:39

released as time because most people

25:41

are like I don't have any

25:43

time and when you start realizing

25:45

how much of your time is

25:47

spent using these activities that aren't

25:49

opening you up. It's

25:51

really a shock when people say they have

25:53

no time and then you'll say to them

25:55

How many hours a day are you on

25:57

your phone? And they're like I don't know

25:59

and they're like just clock your screen time

26:01

for a week and then tell me if you

26:03

have no time. And then they realize, oh

26:05

my god, I'm on my phone an average

26:08

of five hours a day, which is nothing

26:10

actually. Most people are on it way more.

26:12

And then you're like, okay, so you don't

26:14

not have time. It's what you're doing

26:17

with your time. Right. So if I'm on

26:19

my phone, it's like I'm watching

26:21

quantum physics videos or listening to

26:24

Abraham Hicks or talking to my

26:26

team or making a podcast, right. the

26:28

stuff. I'm just not, I'm, I've curated

26:31

my life so I don't see it.

26:33

I'm not getting down that rabbit hole.

26:35

It doesn't serve me. One of the

26:37

practices, we live in this molecule

26:39

of more, right? Dopamine. We're literally

26:41

all addicted to more, more, more,

26:43

more, more. When's the next win?

26:46

I need another win. I need

26:48

to post something new on Instagram

26:50

that says that I'm worthy. I

26:52

need another achievement. I need another

26:54

achievement. I need another, we live

26:56

in a consumer culture, it's like

26:58

more and more and more. So

27:00

one practice that can

27:02

be really beautiful is to

27:04

literally stop and develop a

27:07

relationship to the having of

27:09

what you have. Like deeply take it

27:11

in. Like I notice that so

27:13

many people never use the

27:15

word satisfied. It almost feels

27:18

like sacrilegious to say it.

27:20

And it's like how many moments

27:22

of your day. Do you stop

27:24

and feel how satisfying

27:27

it is that this is a

27:29

perfect moment? It's perfect.

27:31

Your heart's beating. You're

27:34

not sick. The sun is

27:36

shining. The birds are chirping.

27:38

You love what you just

27:40

did. You ate a nice lunch.

27:43

You're with your friend. 100%

27:45

perfection. Nothing missing.

27:48

Nothing needed. Well, most

27:50

people are having

27:52

those moments. constantly

27:54

and instead of having them,

27:56

they're in lack while they're

27:59

having them. thinking about

28:01

what they're missing that they

28:03

don't yet have. So that

28:05

is hell. That is literally

28:07

called hell, because it's always

28:09

more and you're never there

28:12

and when you arrive there's

28:14

always more so you never

28:16

have. You just want. You

28:18

just crave. So in Buddhism,

28:20

that's literally hell. It's a

28:22

life of craving. And craving

28:25

for them is hell, right?

28:27

Versus having. And what

28:29

I'm saying is manifestation works from

28:31

wholeness. So every day, at least

28:34

a few times a day, I

28:36

stop and have the experience of

28:38

having what I have. I like

28:40

have the moment. I like actually

28:43

have it. Like, oh my God,

28:45

this moment is perfection. I love

28:47

being in this moment with my

28:49

kids. I love the way the

28:52

sky looks. I love the Christmas

28:54

of the Christmas of the air.

28:56

I love how satisfied I am

28:58

right now, completely and totally. There's

29:01

nothing else I need. That is

29:03

a vehicle for manifestation, because people

29:05

talk about, like, we'll have a

29:07

gratitude practice. It's a little deeper

29:10

than that, because it's beyond gratitude,

29:12

right? It's having what you're grateful

29:14

for. Actually receiving, going back to

29:16

that word receiver, receive it fully.

29:19

Like, actually take in all the

29:21

good in your life. and let

29:23

it bring you to your knees

29:25

with how mesmerizing your life is

29:28

all the time. And then what

29:30

happens is all that happens is

29:32

you become a magnet for more

29:34

because you're so overflowing with deep

29:37

gratitude and satisfaction, but you don't

29:39

need it, which is of course

29:41

why it comes. So, you know,

29:43

my grandmother who grew up in

29:46

a horrible circumstance and... had nothing

29:48

and lost her mother and gained

29:50

through a war and all that.

29:52

she used to read by kerosene

29:55

lamp and go to the library

29:57

and taught herself to read and

29:59

didn't get to go to school

30:01

and suffered from malnutrition but she

30:04

said every book was like traveling

30:06

the world because it would take

30:08

her to new places and so

30:10

she taught me that deep having

30:13

gratitude and she was a dancer

30:15

and she danced at this club

30:17

and it's just like to find

30:19

dance in the middle of a

30:22

war it's like And then she

30:24

met my grandfather who was a

30:26

dancer and that whole story is

30:28

amazing, but it's like there's so

30:31

many moments that you would think,

30:33

well of course I would appreciate

30:35

it, that's what I've been after,

30:37

but you prayed for the moment

30:40

you're in and you still don't

30:42

appreciate it. So what makes you

30:44

think you're finally going to get

30:46

there? Oh no, what's going to

30:49

happen is then you're going to

30:51

be maybe in some scene of

30:53

your life where you're at the

30:55

Ritz Carlton and in Hawaii. Because

30:58

you were never after that anyway. You

31:01

were after the feeling of a mystical

31:03

experience, a feeling of deep equanimity and

31:05

inner peace, right? And then the irony

31:08

is usually being in lack and pushing

31:10

and stressing, it doesn't get you there

31:12

anyway. Usually the fastest way to get

31:14

there is by having the experience right

31:17

now. So I like for people to

31:19

think, I'm going to have a having

31:21

practice. I'm going to have what I

31:24

actually have. and deeply feel the word

31:26

satisfied. Do not sit up from the

31:28

practice until you get to the place

31:31

you're like I'm completely satisfied. There's nothing

31:33

else I need. And I think that

31:35

is really interesting and in Judaism we

31:37

practice you know the Sabbath. This word

31:40

Shabbat, the Hebrew word for the Sabbath.

31:42

And the whole idea is that one

31:44

day a week everything is perfect the

31:47

way it is and you stop trying

31:49

to fix it. You stop trying to

31:51

meddle with it and excel more. You

31:53

just... sit in awe and perfection with

31:56

what is, and you know that everything's

31:58

in divine order. And then six days

32:00

a week, the other six days a

32:03

week, you can sort of look to

32:05

grow and achieve whatever it is you

32:07

want, but there's always that balance of,

32:10

but everything really is always in divine

32:12

order, more than enough. I find this

32:14

to be such a powerful session to

32:16

bring people back to that wholeness that

32:19

seems to have been missed on. It

32:21

feels like we've been on the wrong

32:23

path, it seems like we've been getting

32:26

the wrong messages. when a lot of

32:28

the wholeness is within our grasp is

32:30

already not that far from us and

32:33

the practices you've given us can get

32:35

that feeling within us right away. I'm

32:37

curious with the work that you do

32:39

you're already reaching like millions of people.

32:42

Is this the key thing you wish

32:44

the world would wake up to is

32:46

this idea that we have wholeness within

32:49

us already? Yeah, I think the idea,

32:51

you know, Rabbi Aaron says that we're

32:53

each someone because we're some of the

32:55

one. So the real wholeneness is that

32:58

we're a part of the whole. for

33:00

each a masterpiece, a piece of the

33:02

master. And that's ultimately it, because when

33:05

you really get what you've been looking

33:07

for is a divine-sized hole inside of

33:09

yourself. And you find the divine, you

33:12

find your way to the mystical. Then

33:14

you don't want more rangeovers, you just

33:16

want to sit in awe of your

33:18

connection with this incredible infinite world that

33:21

we live in. And yes, then I

33:23

imagine you would be a kinder version

33:25

of yourself. Kathy, I'm so grateful you're

33:28

on this summit sharing with us a

33:30

lot of the tools and the practices

33:32

that we can start bringing into our

33:35

life, and particularly bringing awareness to the

33:37

things we might have to stop doing

33:39

and the things we're currently addicted to.

33:41

And I think that's one of the

33:44

key messages that we'd want to take

33:46

away from the conversation here is that

33:48

we need to do a bit of

33:51

a self-audit here and kind of look

33:53

at where our time is going. It's

33:55

an intense energy to be in and

33:58

this stress seems to be an epidemic

34:00

that's affecting the health care around the

34:02

world and you know I I think

34:04

you're based in America as well as

34:07

like there's a stress epidemic, health epidemic.

34:09

It seems all very related and I'm

34:11

very grateful that we've been able to

34:14

bring together yourself and other speakers and

34:16

even more importantly we've got all these

34:18

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34:20

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34:23

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the abundance differences that you've created in

35:55

people's lives? I mean, it's really cool.

35:57

Like there's a lot of things that

35:59

people... right in and tell me that

36:02

they have manifested in their life, you

36:04

know, from, they'll say like, I

36:06

don't know, I was on day five

36:08

of your challenge and I started to

36:11

just finally feel so good and so

36:13

at ease and next thing I know I

36:15

get a call from the guy that I

36:17

like wanted to call me so bad,

36:19

my ex and I say to him, like,

36:21

some of this girl's like, and I say

36:23

to him, oh my God, I'm so glad

36:25

you called, but I actually think

36:27

we should be friends. desperate. And

36:30

then I realized that was coming from

36:32

a part of me that was broken,

36:34

and then I got to Holness, and

36:36

then he called. I think it's interesting,

36:38

you know, or somebody else said,

36:40

I was on like the third week of

36:43

your challenge, and I completely got

36:45

to a place of feeling a piece, and

36:47

then I got this call from an interview

36:49

I had, I thought they were not going

36:51

to hire me, next thing I know they offered

36:53

me the job. And she's like, it was

36:55

just weird, you know. I was watching this

36:58

thing on Instagram which is similar

37:00

where this guy was talking about

37:02

how he was in prison and he

37:04

had been a drug dealer and while

37:07

he was in prison a few

37:09

years into his prison sentence

37:11

he started becoming really

37:13

spiritual and he got to this

37:15

place in his own meditation in

37:18

prison where he finally felt

37:20

free for the first time in his

37:22

life from his own inner demons

37:24

and literally... He never felt

37:26

that sense of peace in his

37:28

life. And the next day, they walk

37:30

into his jail cell and say, you're

37:33

free. And he goes, what? And he,

37:35

and they say to him, well, we

37:37

gave you multiple sentences

37:39

based on the drugs that you,

37:41

the amount of grams or however

37:44

they figured out, and they said

37:46

they retested the drugs. Man, a

37:48

bunch of it was fake. He didn't

37:50

know. But some of it was

37:52

actually not real. So for the

37:54

part that was real he had

37:57

already served enough of the sentence

37:59

and so let him out. And

38:01

I was watching that real and I'm

38:03

like it's exactly that like the lock

38:05

that you can pick is inside yourself.

38:07

And it's like that girl said I

38:10

was waiting for him to call and

38:12

I'm like in day four of your

38:14

challenge and I finally just feel so

38:16

in love with my life and so

38:18

whole and then he calls and I

38:20

was telling all my friends oh my

38:23

god I need him back up a

38:25

little bit and then he calls and

38:27

I'm like Then you called and she's

38:29

like, and then I realized, I don't

38:31

need this guy. I was like in

38:34

a weird dynamic with this person and

38:36

now he's into her, right? And she's

38:38

like, she's gonna chill. But it's so

38:40

fascinating that we live in an energetic

38:42

world where everything's like a radio station,

38:45

everything's like a frequency. And so your

38:47

frequency, my cats feel someone's frequency before

38:49

they even walk in the house. They

38:51

can feel it from like a mile

38:53

away. We don't realize that it's an energetic

38:55

world and it's an energetic code and the more you fine-tune your

38:58

own energy So yeah, I have a lot of people saying a

39:00

lot of things to me about how Life just feels like ease

39:02

all of a sudden and there's all this synchronicity and they manifest

39:04

things and things just start happening because because they're totally in like

39:06

Holness and love and their hearts open. It's amazing I know for

39:08

a fact with what we've learned today with you, we'll give a

39:10

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39:13

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you. It's been such a pleasure to have this conversation and to

39:28

get your wisdom and contribution for this summit. We're very, very grateful.

39:30

And I always like throwing it back. You've already given us a

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lot of things to look at, actions. to take

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but I always love to throw

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it back one more time to

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say any closing words for our

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audience as they're going through these

39:43

three days learning about abundance from

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various teachers such as yourself and

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they're quite on a journey of

39:49

transformation. I would just say to

39:51

you that I've been on so

39:53

many people's podcasts and I just

39:56

think you're delightful and I love

39:58

what you do and I felt

40:00

particularly at ease and I really

40:02

enjoyed this so much and I

40:04

hardly ever say this but I'm

40:06

like this was such a good

40:08

conversation that I would put this

40:11

on my podcast because I love

40:13

the way you interview so that's

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what I want to say. I'll

40:17

take that and maybe I've shown

40:19

up quite whole myself and to

40:21

be honest I will end with

40:23

maybe sharing this is that you

40:26

know you have your cat on

40:28

your chair and before we hit

40:30

record you guys should know that

40:32

we had a moment going cat

40:34

parents because we just had a

40:36

little cat come into our life

40:39

as well and I have these

40:41

moments recently where I'm on my

40:43

sofa maybe watching a series at

40:45

end of the day with my

40:47

fiance and my little dog little

40:49

cat and we're here in Bali

40:51

sun is setting and that's the

40:54

vibe like you speak of and

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you know I'm recording all these

40:58

interviews for the summit in advance

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and this month I've had over

41:02

30 conversations and for everyone who's

41:04

watching the summit right now my

41:06

February has been one of the

41:09

most whole abundant amazing serendipitous months

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I've had in years because I've

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been exposed to all the lessons

41:15

that you're going to right now

41:17

so I'm going to say expect

41:19

miracles and again thank you so

41:21

much it's been an honor having

41:24

a conversation with you and for

41:26

me that was such a nourishing

41:28

conversation I want to thank Jason

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and his team again for the

41:32

amazing interview and for letting us

41:34

share it with you remember if

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you want to register for their

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mastering abundant summit it's free you

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can sign up at Kathy heller

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comm slash summit pass okay here

41:45

are the takeaways number one the

41:47

more that we feel whole within

41:49

the more we create the most

41:51

abundant life number two every one

41:54

of us is like a light

41:56

bulb and God is the light

41:58

we each have the capacity to

42:00

receive that light and be a

42:02

vessel for that light which is

42:04

the most abundant thing you could

42:07

be number three When you tune to abundance within, your

42:09

soul is abundant. You are a piece of the infinite, and the

42:11

more you go deep into what is really at your core, love,

42:13

equanimity, empathy, joy, creativity, flowstate, that is the gift that keeps on

42:15

giving. Number four, spend 10 minutes in the morning to slow down

42:17

and just listen. Ask yourself, what do I need to remember

42:19

today? There's an antenna that will pick

42:22

up the wisdom that you need to

42:24

hear. Number five, wholeness attracts, wholeness

42:26

is the vibe. Have a having practice. Stop

42:28

and feel how satisfying it is that this

42:31

is a perfect moment. Deeply take in all

42:33

the good in your life and let it

42:35

bring you to your knees with how mesmerizing

42:37

your life is all the time. And

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number seven, we're each someone because we're

42:41

some of the one. The real wholeness is

42:44

that we're a part of the whole. We're

42:46

each a masterpiece, a piece of the master.

42:48

When you really get that what you've been

42:50

looking for as a divine size hole inside

42:53

of yourself and you find your way to

42:55

the mystical. Thank you so much for

42:57

listening. I never take it for granted that

42:59

you're here. We're going to have some of

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my amazing friends back. Heather Chauvin and Tracy

43:03

Matthews are coming up soon, so please make

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and I'll talk to you next week.