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Hey guys, it's Kathy Heller. Welcome back

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to Abundant Ever. After. Guess

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what? My book

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comes out tomorrow. I

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feel that feeling like I'm having

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the baby. Like we've been talking about

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this baby. I've I've been waiting for

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this day and it's here. It's here

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tomorrow. Tomorrow,

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tomorrow, I love

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you tomorrow. Oh my

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goodness. So week, as a way to celebrate

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the release of the book, I wanted

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to share a few pieces from the podcast

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book tour I've done. Over the last

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few months, I've been going on my podcast

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to talk about this book and how it

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can help different audiences, whether they're focused

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on spirituality or business finding more

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of that evolved sense of their authentic self.

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It's been so much fun. fun. So we

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made a smorgasbord of clips from a

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few different interviews that I did. The The

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full episodes will be released this week on

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my friend's podcast. So we're going to to

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links to those. in show notes in case you want

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to hear the full conversations. So So first up, I

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want to share a piece of an interview

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I did with the amazing Hilary on her

1:03

podcast, Love Money. Take a

1:05

listen. I couldn't stop reading your book

1:07

and it was on my screen, which is not

1:09

how I normally read books. So that

1:11

something that I was like. it's

1:13

just story after story after story

1:15

and you've renamed your podcast and the

1:17

name of the book is Abundant After.

1:20

The word abundance gets thrown around a

1:22

lot. Some people could

1:24

argue it it is definitionless. So

1:26

So what your meaning when you

1:28

say abundance? What does that mean to you? I

1:31

love that observation it's true.

1:34

What the heck does it mean? I

1:36

that in Alaska, there's like 70 words for

1:38

snow because it's always snowing. So it's like

1:40

what of snow? And I think it's

1:42

the same thing with abundance. I think that

1:45

we innately know that we

1:47

want abundance. think that's because we feel

1:49

that on some level, there's a part

1:52

of us that is abundant, which is

1:54

our soul, which is our consciousness, which

1:56

is our capacity for an infinite amount of

1:58

creativity, an infinite amount of passion. There's

2:00

something about us that does know

2:03

an abundance, and I

2:05

think those of us who've ever been

2:07

in a flow state, right, They now how to

2:09

measure that flow look at flow state. Michael

2:11

Jordan, you know, is seen as somebody who

2:13

like move into flow state. I think

2:15

that that to me is abundance,

2:17

is that feeling that I am

2:19

completely, totally in that feeling of

2:21

flow, And right? And when you're in

2:23

that feeling of flow state, you feel

2:26

creative, you feel a feeling

2:28

of like, it's more than inner

2:30

peace because you're like creative mode, right?

2:32

Which is like, it's not only

2:34

this feeling of equanimity, you're so in

2:36

overflow that you have the

2:38

next idea and you you have enthusiasm.

2:41

And And so I say that because if

2:43

you ask somebody, sometimes they'll say

2:45

abundance would mean, you you know,

2:47

ten million dollars or a beautiful house. And

2:49

then I'll say to them, can I

2:51

I ask you a question? As

2:54

beautiful as that list is,

2:56

I think you have bigger dreams. I

2:58

think that more than you want

3:01

piles of things, you want to

3:03

feel life force

3:05

moving through you. You to

3:07

feel excited, in love love

3:09

with life. to You want your mind

3:11

to be at peace. And then

3:13

they say, I say, okay, So I say, you

3:15

can I think you can have

3:17

it all. I think you can have

3:19

a nice pile of things that you

3:21

like. But I think more than that,

3:23

you can probably find a way to

3:25

meet yourself in your true state of

3:27

being, which will feel like abundance. And

3:30

I think for those of you listening after

3:33

shared that space

3:35

and depth and abundance, you can imagine what

3:38

your bank accounts would look like in

3:40

that state. There's like a number, right? right?

3:42

Because bank Because get measured in numbers

3:44

and that number would support what you're

3:46

up to and your infinite abundance. was

3:48

was actually, Kathy, I what don't even know

3:50

if you know this. There was a

3:53

segment on your podcast that I

3:55

love so much. You limiting

3:57

the resources that we deserve

3:59

to saying that an oak tree

4:02

shouldn't have more water

4:04

or soil, Right.

4:06

It is ridiculous. It's like, you

4:08

know, when you look out at

4:10

nature and you look at everything

4:12

that God created, everything that's here,

4:14

like everything in nature, we cosign it's

4:16

designed to thrive. Like Like know

4:19

that every eagle is designed to

4:21

have enough that it can fly and

4:23

not just fly day once in its life,

4:25

but it should have enough that

4:27

it flies all the time. It's designed

4:29

to do that, Right. A plant

4:31

is designed to grow out of

4:33

its pot and into the earth to

4:35

take root and to keep sprouting

4:37

more. And a redwood tree wouldn't

4:39

say to itself, you know,

4:41

oh gosh, I should question, you you know,

4:44

whether I should be this tall or

4:46

take up this much space or have

4:48

this much water, like no, in its

4:50

integrity, doing its assignment on

4:52

behalf of the rest of the world,

4:54

it needs to do what it needs

4:56

to do. A dolphin cannot be put

4:58

in a swimming pool. It needs enough

5:00

ocean that it can flourish. We're the

5:02

only things in nature that question whether

5:04

or not we should be thriving, right?

5:07

So I'll just have just enough. Why?

5:09

Why? You weren't designed that way. that

5:11

You were designed to be an overflow.

5:13

But when the story of scarcity

5:15

takes hold, which is a lie and

5:17

says, there's only enough for each

5:19

of us to have a tiny crumb,

5:21

then in some way you feel as

5:23

though by you thriving and living into

5:25

your potential, you're denying somebody else

5:27

their abundance when it's completely and totally

5:29

not a is it true, but but B is

5:31

the opposite, right? Like if I paint

5:33

my house, the value of my

5:35

house goes up, which means my neighbor's

5:37

house just went up in value instantly.

5:40

And if I open a store

5:42

on Main Street I'm excited about being

5:44

an entrepreneur, I just created the opportunity

5:46

for more activity on Main Street,

5:48

which means I'm increasing the abundance

5:50

for anyone who then opened store. You

5:52

know, know, it's like in the

5:54

garden, if there's a tree that's starting

5:56

to get weeds, you have to

5:58

pull the weeds it's not. it'll affect eventually

6:00

whole garden. But if there's a

6:02

tree that's thriving, it's gonna give

6:05

life and it's gonna pollinate everything else

6:07

in the garden. It's gonna add to the

6:09

beauty for the whole ecosystem, which is

6:11

really the truth that we are each part

6:13

of this oneness, we're part of our

6:15

communities, part of our neighborhoods, part of the

6:17

family, part of the country, part of

6:19

the earth, part of the whole. and the

6:21

more that each one of us steps into

6:23

overflow whatever. form form

6:25

of abundance that is. Health, vitality,

6:27

that'll be contagious, right? You'll inspire other

6:29

people to take their health seriously. The

6:32

more you have an abundance of love, you'll

6:34

give that a love away. And same

6:36

thing with wealth. more you are wealthy,

6:38

the more you will steward that wealth. The

6:40

more you will be able to invest

6:42

in the market and be underwriting things that

6:44

other people. can be

6:46

a a part of. And

6:49

I do think it's important to define define

6:52

or think about abundance in

6:54

contrast to the scarcity that

6:56

you talk about, that seems

6:58

to me women so

7:00

willing to live in. In your book you

7:02

talk about what it took to unravel

7:04

your good girl story and your good wife narrative

7:07

to change those money beliefs that

7:09

you could convince yourself if you

7:11

had money you would still be

7:13

relatable. and not corrupted, what

7:15

did that take? And of

7:17

all, I'm really enjoying this conversation. because

7:19

you're not asking me the same

7:22

questions that people ask me, even just

7:24

listening to the podcasters questions. People don't

7:26

even go there with money. They ask me

7:28

about the spiritual stuff. It's like they still haven't

7:30

even worked through their own money stuff to pull

7:32

it apart, which is really interesting. Cause I'm like, no,

7:34

no, let's go into the belly of the beast. Let's

7:36

talk about money. So I love that you asked

7:38

me that. I think it's

7:41

very much inside of women in general,

7:43

this idea of like, I can either

7:45

be a good person. or

7:47

have money, I can't be good

7:49

and kind and nice and value

7:51

-driven and relatable if I'm also rich.

7:54

It's just fascinating because men,

7:57

by and large, are raised,

7:59

they're raised to. feel it's actually good to

8:01

be a provider. It's good

8:03

to make tons of money.

8:05

Women are given the subconscious, subliminal, or

8:07

overt message to be a pleaser,

8:09

to make sure everyone's comfortable. And

8:12

so we deny our own power because

8:14

we make people uncomfortable if we were

8:16

all so powerful? And then the

8:18

question is, can you be kind and

8:20

good and fierce at the same

8:22

time? The answer is yes.

8:24

right? Like at You

8:26

be a lioness, you be, think

8:29

of an animal, think of a

8:31

female lion, right? Who has both

8:33

this true nurturing side and is

8:36

is also knows her boundary is

8:38

and knows how to show up

8:40

for herself and for her

8:42

children when she needs to. That

8:44

doesn't make her not good and

8:46

that doesn't make her not

8:48

gentle, right? It's really fascinating. We've

8:50

made an unconscious decision that

8:52

we will either be kind and

8:54

good and loving and values driven,

8:57

or be rich and then we'll be thrown out of

8:59

the pack because we've become

9:01

powerful now we're abusing power somehow

9:03

is what we think. It's

9:05

a weird way that we

9:07

judge each other because

9:09

don't judge men when

9:12

they hit the Forbes list and

9:14

the cover of the New York

9:16

Times. They judge women

9:18

because they've actually been brainwashed

9:20

that there's something not okay about that. So if

9:23

they see a woman do that, what happens

9:25

is that it's very confronting and

9:27

what they're thinking is, how she do

9:29

that? I don't let myself do that, right?

9:32

But why the hell

9:34

not, right? Why not?

9:36

Like when Taylor Swift made all this money over

9:39

the last few years, she just

9:41

paved her way for so many people

9:43

to see a new possibility and

9:45

was also so generous. Like did things

9:47

that people hadn't done where she gave

9:49

these bonuses to truck drivers and

9:51

all amazing, years, - I love those stories. Fantastic, way

9:54

right? So So yeah, I talk about in

9:56

the book, I say to women,

9:58

like, I challenge you. Would you declare

10:00

to your friends, to your family, would

10:02

you say this at Thanksgiving dinner? Would

10:04

you post on Instagram that you want

10:06

to be in your healthiest era ever?

10:09

And And they're like, yes, I'm like, great,

10:11

you should because you would inspire people

10:13

to get their steps in and eat

10:15

healthier. I'm I'm in like, no, Would

10:17

you make a declaration out loud to

10:19

your friends and family or to your followers

10:21

on Instagram that you want to be

10:23

in your wealthiest era? And

10:26

away, I say, be honest, and they

10:28

all get super uncomfortable. And

10:30

I say, so how on earth you going

10:32

to allow yourself to have more

10:34

of something that you have that much

10:36

shame around? And it's so toxic, and

10:39

it's so unnecessary. It

10:41

is a neutral,

10:43

beautiful resource. Like,

10:45

do you feel that way about anything

10:48

else in your life? Are you going

10:50

to say, well, who am I to feel

10:52

good physically? and about

10:54

how I no longer have headaches every

10:56

day because I got off sugar, God forbid,

10:58

because then I would make someone who does

11:00

a headache feel bad. bad? No,

11:02

you'll inspire that person that

11:04

if they maybe put more

11:06

energy into getting off their

11:08

sugar, maybe they also won't

11:10

feel so sluggish at four

11:12

o 'clock, right? Like, Like, into

11:14

why can't you celebrate that

11:16

there's enough vitality that goes

11:18

around and other people will find

11:20

their version of what's the

11:23

healthiest choices they can make, right?

11:25

We get that in health. We

11:28

don't get it in and And, you know, we

11:30

also don't get it in love sometimes. Like, women

11:32

are afraid to share when really beautiful

11:34

in their love life. They don't want

11:36

to make people feel bad. That's

11:38

saying on a deep level, you don't feel

11:40

other people are capable of finding love. Why

11:43

don't you be an inspiration and

11:45

share vulnerably what it took for

11:47

you to open your heart that

11:49

wide? what journey you had to to set

11:51

better boundaries and not select jerks,

11:54

or whatever it was that led

11:56

you to that. Shine it. Show

11:58

a possibility, right? So have

12:00

it in certain ways that the one we

12:02

have it with the most is the permission

12:04

to let ourselves be rich.

12:06

It's like, it's toxic. You

12:09

know, and contrasting Taylor Swift

12:11

and the way she would

12:13

go in city after city

12:15

and like the city with six-figure

12:17

gratuities she could afford to

12:19

give. Contrast that with Mackenzie Scott.

12:21

And I'm sure she's a wonderful

12:23

person. And in the media right

12:25

now how she's getting credibility, how

12:27

she's getting our blessings is is giving

12:29

away billions of dollars, not by

12:31

doing it, right? And she -earned that

12:33

money with her former husband. and how

12:35

she gets in the media and

12:37

now we're her because she's

12:39

just dumping money, right? And that's

12:42

what a billionaire, the third richest

12:44

woman on the planet has to

12:46

do to get favor. And that's,

12:48

I think, us boasting the patriarchy

12:50

on ourselves. And again, I'm sure

12:52

Mackenzie Scott is a great person. This

12:54

is not a personal indictment of her. I

12:56

I just I just that. Yeah,

12:59

that's what Priyanka Chopra said that me. I I that's want

13:01

to give her the credit because said that

13:03

when she came on my show, she

13:05

said that she was actually supposed to go

13:07

to law school and to pay for

13:09

law school, she entered a beauty contest and

13:11

won. and And then she wound up on a

13:13

totally different path. And then she got

13:15

a lot of hate from women because there

13:17

she was in her full confidence, winning

13:20

beauty pageants, becoming an actress,

13:22

getting paid, making making money, you know,

13:24

doing the things. And thought,

13:26

it's interesting, she thought that men

13:28

were giving her more encouragement than

13:31

women. And she said, she

13:33

thinks like the of the last

13:35

many thousands of years made women

13:37

believe that there's no room really

13:39

for women to do that. And

13:41

so if a woman does do

13:44

that, she said, why don't you

13:46

tip your hat to her and

13:48

say you for creating a path? Like

13:51

let me actually shine your crown

13:53

and put it back on your head

13:55

rather than say, wait, wait,

13:57

you're doing something that's wrong. And

13:59

now angry. angry as I feel

14:02

threatened jealous or You're not

14:04

supposed to thrive like that, right? right?

14:07

You know, we could go further

14:09

but like women don't necessarily

14:11

celebrate like own

14:13

sexual well-being. It's like of the

14:15

ways in which a woman can just

14:17

allow herself to feel good. It

14:19

almost like like nails on the chalkboard when you

14:21

first hear a a woman talking about. any

14:24

of like feeling fulfilled and

14:26

satisfied? because it

14:28

was so taken away from women

14:30

for so long. that

14:33

it's of fronting. right? And

14:36

so And so all had mean girls in

14:38

seventh grade. right? Because the

14:40

the idea is like, who is she to do that? versus

14:43

no, no, she's stepping up first in order

14:45

to make room for you, and now there's

14:48

a path so everybody can go down

14:50

it. There's room for everybody. All

14:52

right. Now a clip from my episode with

14:54

the delightful Bobby Richards and James Sweeting

14:56

on their show, Business Made Simple. so

14:59

many people out there, I'm including myself,

15:01

will put everything ahead of me actually

15:03

doing the things that take care of

15:05

me and that ultimately, like we've been talking

15:07

about, then everybody else. If

15:09

I'm my best authentic self if I'm optimized

15:11

to operate in my superpower 100%, I can then

15:13

I can then help provide abundance

15:16

and lean into that with other people.

15:18

But if I'm not, then I'm

15:20

tapped and I don't, don't, and leave me

15:22

alone. And then I'm the worst to be around

15:24

and I'm taking away energy from people. Like

15:26

are ways that we can sort of

15:28

escape that? and even just start

15:30

to promote that and incorporate self care

15:32

you know, just day by day. The

15:35

first thing I would say is like

15:37

in 2007, I took a a class

15:39

at UCLA on meditation and And I

15:41

heard the teacher that day say something

15:43

that I was shocked to hear, which

15:45

is, you don't to stop your

15:47

thoughts. In fact, you won't. Your heart will

15:49

always beat, Your mind will always spin. And

15:51

I'm like, oh, wait, what? And

15:54

she said it's about witnessing that. and

15:56

instead of being in the blizzard of

15:58

the mind, just looking out at the blizzard And

16:00

you think of it, like if it's Christmas

16:02

morning and you're in a blizzard outside, that's

16:04

not really fun. But if you're looking

16:06

at it from inside the living room window, it's

16:08

so beautiful. And so

16:10

she gave that example and

16:12

she said, watch your

16:14

thoughts with unconditional non -judgmental

16:17

awareness and just notice it

16:19

like, oh, wow, there's a

16:21

part of me that's still thinking

16:23

about the past. Oh, wow. And with

16:25

non -judgmental awareness, then ask yourself,

16:27

who's doing the witnessing. That's you. And

16:29

part of you is wise. And

16:31

that part of you is

16:33

needing your attention. And

16:35

so even if you only spent

16:38

minutes a day with a cup of

16:40

tea in that sort of part

16:42

of you that's really you, it's

16:45

very fulfilling. It's

16:47

very actualizing. And

16:50

I think that's why of the 900

16:52

people I've interviewed, almost everybody has

16:54

some kind of prayer or meditation practice. You

16:57

get a lot out of that. Like

16:59

you say self-care like, you know, get

17:01

a massage, but it doesn't do as

17:03

much for you as arriving at

17:05

your own door truly, stepping back from

17:07

the mind because the mind will lie

17:10

to you and say, you're not

17:12

enough and here's what's not possible all

17:14

day really actually, the mind

17:16

wants to protect you and whatever you've

17:18

been through, it's like decided to

17:20

keep you from danger by not putting you

17:22

in a place where you'll be vulnerable. So

17:24

it lies to you all the time and

17:26

it's so awful actually. But when

17:28

you witness it, you you take away

17:30

its power And then you feel this part

17:33

of you that there's nothing urgent. You

17:35

don't need to get the likes on

17:37

Instagram. You don't need the

17:39

money. You You don't, you don't need, all of a sudden

17:41

you come back into this feeling of wholeness that is

17:43

equanimity. And so I say to people

17:45

every morning, the way you choose what you're

17:47

going to wear, you select your shirt, you

17:49

should stop and select how do you want

17:51

to feel today And your

17:54

eyes and say, would ease like

17:57

What would to the divine like

17:59

what What would feel like? What would joy

18:01

feel like? And then close your eyes in

18:03

for 90 seconds. See if you could feel

18:05

that whole feeling just like in your body and

18:08

and then open your eyes and go

18:10

live your day. And I'm telling you,

18:12

we're so good at actually tuning back into

18:14

ourself little moments like that will change

18:16

your entire life. If you were on

18:18

a boat and you

18:20

changed course two degrees and

18:23

you kept going 50 miles or a miles,

18:25

you'll wind up in a different continent. So

18:28

So little changes, the

18:30

really powerful ones, completely and

18:32

totally shift you and give

18:34

you back the joy that's

18:36

available all the time when you're

18:38

not running. Cause the mind

18:40

will say, you're not feeling

18:42

whole. You urgently need approval

18:44

from somewhere outside of yourself. You're

18:46

not feeling whole. You better make

18:49

money. You better prove your existence.

18:51

Run faster, go faster, do more.

18:53

Exactly, it's such garbage. It's such gosh, Kathy.

18:55

thank you so much I that.

18:57

Oh man, Oh I I that. And would

18:59

just be curious for the listener

19:01

right now that's just in the

19:03

middle of a crazy hectic season,

19:06

you know, overwhelmed. in

19:08

Oh the tornado. They're in in middle of

19:10

the tornado, yeah. Middle of the workday, to

19:12

this episode. What's one one thing in the

19:14

middle of the day? I love that you

19:16

kind of mentioned that first thing when

19:18

you're even just choosing out what you want

19:20

to wear. What's something like like of the

19:23

day just to try to bring some

19:25

of that awareness back inside, recenter? Stop Stop and up.

19:28

Like outside and see if

19:30

you can notice the 47

19:32

shades of green outside. Fill

19:35

up. Like notice you

19:37

go to drink that

19:39

afternoon coffee or whatever it

19:41

is, pause Pause taste

19:43

it. Actually taste it.

19:45

And then feel your feet on the

19:47

ground. And then you literally feel like

19:49

you're gonna be brought to tears because

19:51

you realize that we're often

19:53

in the energy of striving

19:55

and hustling and and to

19:57

earn it and it's coming

19:59

somewhere the future. future when really

20:01

have to grow the

20:03

muscle to feel the having and

20:06

have what we have, to really sit

20:08

at the Thanksgiving meal and be like. I

20:11

am full. I am

20:13

satisfied. Like, how often

20:15

in our culture is

20:17

the word satisfied out of

20:19

people's mouths? It's because we

20:21

live in an incredible country, it

20:23

is the best in the world,

20:26

and we're real, it's and great, because we

20:28

can always continue to create and

20:30

improve, which which is, it's awesome. But

20:32

it can very quickly ruin your

20:34

capacity for joy because you just

20:36

keep moving the goalposts. and I think

20:38

in the middle of every day. you you

20:41

should have a moment where you

20:43

feel truly satisfied. and

20:45

you enjoy your life. And you say,

20:47

oh, oh. everything that

20:49

I have right now is so fulfilling.

20:52

and because of

20:54

that. It's really fun to

20:56

work on this project. And it's really

20:58

fun with, but there's no urgency because

21:00

I have the capacity to feel full

21:02

in this moment. And And what's really sad is

21:04

you think about the people who look

21:07

back on their life and realize how

21:09

much they had that didn't let themselves

21:11

fully receive and enjoy it while they

21:13

had it because they were always in

21:15

the future moments. So they were never

21:17

where they were. So I So I think

21:19

that's a good middle day. practice. mean,

21:22

what a plan of action, Like call

21:24

out a plan of action in

21:26

every episode where we're like, what's that main

21:28

from the conversation that the business owner

21:30

or our listener can immediately just implement

21:32

right after they're done listening. And

21:35

that pause and fill

21:37

up is invaluable. It's

21:39

invaluable. I I that you think that,

21:41

thank you. I also think for

21:43

the business owners, oftentimes

21:46

a part of us since that thinks when

21:48

we're in the work day. we

21:50

have to be serious a little bit.

21:53

And often if I'm in the middle of a project,

21:55

whether we're planning an event or on

21:57

some marketing, and and it's starting to

21:59

feel... little crispy as you would say, I

22:01

I stop and I say to my team,

22:04

let's delete all of this for

22:06

a second and just ask a

22:08

question, which is, how this be more

22:11

fun? And And then often realize

22:13

right away what's feeling like pressure or

22:15

what's not feeling fun. And And

22:17

I'll say, huh, how can I re

22:19

this and have fun with it?

22:21

So often people are in the often middle of

22:23

the launch and they'll say to me, oh my God, how

22:25

do you do so many launches? And And I'm

22:27

like, oh, I always remember that I better

22:29

be having fun. And so if I'm doing

22:31

the launch and it's all about the ROI and

22:33

it's like, I won't have fun. I'll be stressed.

22:35

But if I just say, if I forget it,

22:37

this is my sermon on the Mount. Maybe Maybe

22:39

people buy, maybe people don't. I'm going to have

22:41

fun with with We're going to riff with

22:43

it. to We're going to come up with something

22:46

new to do every day to make it

22:48

silly and playful. Then I'll just enjoy the

22:50

experience and then it won't matter.

22:52

But then usually that's when the launch does

22:54

better. And so, And so, oh my God,

22:56

like, could you just look at

22:58

what you're doing and insert a

23:00

little more joy and play? It'll

23:02

probably go better. That's empathy for

23:04

you. That's empathy for your customer

23:07

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you heard about cozy from this

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podcast. Now next clip

24:26

is an interview I did with my dear

24:28

friend Susie Moore her podcast. Let It be easy. Here

24:30

we go Kathy, you everything

24:32

you is like rapid, things happen so quickly,

24:34

but that's because you're not throwing

24:36

up blocks, right? not like wait, let me

24:38

sit down and create my action

24:40

plan for reaching out to agencies because

24:42

in three months I'm going to

24:44

be ready with my perfect email and

24:46

with my perfect look and with

24:48

the perfect song And wait, let me read 10

24:50

10 books about how I might need

24:53

to do Like you are. Yeah.

24:55

No one's got time. I'm so impatient. That's

24:57

the thing about you and

24:59

me is I I want to have right

25:01

now. I think of myself as

25:03

an impatient person. So I need to have

25:06

fun right now. I can't wait. If

25:10

If kids are taking extra time putting

25:12

on their shoes, they know like mommy's

25:15

getting in the car. Like have no

25:17

time. I'm going, which is why. when

25:19

people are like, well, how do you wait?

25:21

When it's like, okay, so you start the

25:23

podcast, but then you didn't make money right

25:26

away. I'm like, are you kidding? Like having a

25:28

blast just doing it. Like exactly. That's the difference.

25:30

I don't have the patience. And I also

25:32

don't have the patience to prepare. because

25:34

I believe. that we

25:37

are the most impressive when we are

25:39

in the moment and love is

25:41

the most impressive thing. And so you've

25:43

been preparing your entire life. in

25:46

every moment to be you in every moment. and

25:48

the only thing that people really

25:50

find impressive is someone who's not trying

25:52

to be impressive, is someone who's

25:54

present so they're available to be in

25:57

the moment and listen and connect and

25:59

that's when the coolest. stuff So

26:02

it's about letting go of the control and

26:04

letting go of trying predict it and not

26:06

being afraid because like just love people so

26:08

much. You just make space. This is what

26:11

I think is skipped over so casually,

26:13

but it's really the main point. It's,

26:15

you know, people will say things to

26:17

me like, oh, so how long did it

26:19

take after you first started XYZ there

26:21

was an ROI, right? And I understand

26:23

the question, right? And I'm I'm curious. It's

26:25

like, okay, so someone starts for a marathon.

26:28

How long, you for know, I I suppose

26:30

that's an interesting question, maybe, but we're missing

26:32

the point when it's like day.

26:34

Okay. I'll tell I'll tell you something, Kathy.

26:36

One of my favorite memories from being

26:38

in Kyoto, you you know how they

26:40

have those beautiful temples and the

26:42

gardens are made of tiny, tiny, tiny

26:44

tiny stones, millions of them. And every

26:46

single morning, the people who walk at

26:48

the temple put them into these

26:50

gorgeous, like look like waves. It's like

26:52

a a of art. And you're not

26:55

supposed to walk on them, but look, you

26:57

know, some people do. But surrounding the

26:59

temple, it's like this perfect work of

27:01

art. Millions of

27:03

stones created in wave form. it takes hours

27:05

every morning. And I asked a woman

27:07

who walked to the temple, I every was

27:09

like, if if it takes so long to

27:11

create and it's not windy or rainy,

27:13

why don't you just allow it the

27:15

next day? Why don't you just use

27:17

yesterday's? We're like, do you need to keep

27:19

doing it? And she said, there's

27:21

no more beauty in enjoying the

27:23

garden than creating the garden. Like

27:27

life, right? It's like, are

27:29

you happy when you have your baby? Are

27:31

you happy when you get a

27:33

million bucks? It's like, what about the, this

27:35

is a fun experiment. I'm so

27:37

alive sending these emails, driving to the appointment,

27:39

picking up the stuff. I mean, that's just

27:41

as maybe even more fun than, the, okay,

27:43

your song's been purchased because you go, okay, there's

27:46

a check piece paper, deposit. What next?

27:48

You want that excitement again. And you're

27:50

just in this motion. I I

27:52

feel, but everyone's skipping over that part. They're like,

27:54

well, how long is it going to take

27:56

until like, I'll tell you something. I I skipping

27:59

think it's just so beautiful. Paul that everybody's

28:01

heard, you know, the idea that

28:03

God created the world in

28:05

seven days, but the seventh

28:07

day rested. Okay. Yes. Yes. the

28:09

divine. In she, the divine. an incredible

28:12

piece of Jewish mysticism. What

28:15

does that mean? Why doesn't it say The

28:18

Lord created the world in

28:20

six days. and on the seventh day There

28:23

was a rest? It's because

28:25

part of creation. is

28:28

the enjoyment of what you made. When

28:32

you're watching Rachel Ray Martha

28:34

Stewart at a garden and they're cooking

28:37

something. The part that we

28:39

love is at the end when they take

28:41

a a bite of it, right? to

28:44

think about that for a second. Like

28:46

if you skip that

28:48

part, you missed one seventh of

28:50

the actual creative

28:52

whole process. to

28:54

sit back. to

28:57

appreciate the art, to

28:59

appreciate, you know, I just recorded and

29:01

narrated my book. And

29:03

I thoroughly enjoyed getting

29:05

to step into that

29:07

booth. and slowly read

29:11

it loud. for

29:14

myself after two

29:16

and a half years of of pulling

29:18

writing and editing and chopping

29:20

and adding and whatever. It's

29:22

like, that was a very

29:24

fundamental part of this entire

29:26

process was just sitting and

29:28

slowing down and taking it

29:30

in. And It

29:33

it is more fun. because

29:36

if we're outsourcing any of what

29:38

we think will be fun to

29:40

somewhere in the future or something

29:42

outside of ourself, it never come. It'll

29:45

never come But of

29:47

the stories I love the to this, which is

29:49

not in the book, because it happened after I

29:51

turned the book in, in July, after

29:53

my dad passed, was so kind of you

29:55

to come. spend that breakfast with me,

29:57

which was like a a four hour breakfast. And

30:00

then we went through the shiva process

30:02

in Judaism. We sit for a week, which is

30:04

really powerful. You just really sit and

30:06

allow yourself to feel the sadness. And

30:08

then the reentry can be a little

30:10

bit bit bumpy. You're like, oh gosh, the

30:12

cars are driving so fast. And

30:14

I'm getting back into it. So it

30:17

was two weeks since my dad had passed and my husband

30:19

said, the girls want to go out to dinner. Do girls

30:21

you feel like you'd be ready to go out to dinner?

30:23

I'm like, let's try it. So we

30:25

go to dinner and I was feeling a

30:28

little bit like, wow, the world is like,

30:30

it's fast it's loud. I've been in this like

30:32

cocoon, you you it's know, you go through

30:34

hospice, you sit with someone in

30:36

hospice. It's like a very tender, powerful,

30:38

beautiful, Everything everything you is,

30:41

everything that is in hospice, everyone

30:43

who walks in the room is

30:45

so clear about what matters most. So

30:48

when you go back into the world and everybody's kind

30:50

of having whatever experience they're

30:52

having, you're thinking, well, this is

30:55

so different. The music is different

30:57

here. Okay, So I was having that

30:59

kind of like at

31:01

the restaurant and that

31:03

feeling of being a a little bit out

31:05

of sync with the world. And then I

31:07

heard the table next to me. It

31:09

was a couple, they were talking and I

31:11

turned to my family, my daughter's, my husband.

31:13

I I said, they're on a first date.

31:15

I can tell based on the conversation.

31:18

And we were at one of these sushi

31:20

restaurants That's such a good one That's like a

31:22

hole in the wall and the tables

31:24

are super to each other. So

31:26

said, you know what? Because

31:28

I haven't been feeling amazing, what would

31:30

feel really good is to just

31:32

give love away for no reason. So

31:35

I say to my my family, I'm

31:37

gonna buy them dessert they're just

31:39

so cute. I

31:41

stand up, turn to the table, get up.

31:43

And I say, are you guys on

31:45

a first date? And they say, yes. And

31:48

I said, that's so cute. I'm sorry,

31:50

I couldn't help it You're literally sitting inches from

31:52

me. And I said, I want to like throw

31:54

some love your way. So a dessert and I'll

31:56

buy it for you. They're like, you're so

31:58

cute. Oh my gosh. So the woman says

32:00

to me, what's your ins? Instagram, I want to

32:02

follow you. I said, okay, so we follow

32:05

each other and then we leave leave and they

32:07

eat whatever. An hour later. She texts me

32:09

and she's like, you were so sweet and

32:11

And the was amazing. They got the fried

32:13

ice cream. I said, great. Do you think you'll

32:15

go on a second date? And she

32:17

said, I'm I'm not sure. She said, but

32:19

I have to tell you something important. She

32:22

said, what you did was so impactful because

32:24

I'm a widow. She she said. and this

32:26

was the first date I've had since my

32:28

husband died four years ago. And

32:30

you don't understand that that you

32:34

did that for me, I thought to myself, the

32:36

world is a kind place and I'm ready to

32:38

go back in the world. And

32:40

I wrote to her and said, well,

32:42

that's fascinating because I was having

32:44

a moment because my dad passed

32:46

away July 3rd, which was the time it

32:48

was very recent. And

32:51

she wrote back and said, my

32:53

husband passed away on July 3rd, four

32:55

years ago. And

32:57

what I'm really

33:00

saying is that

33:02

God has put his

33:04

signature all over the world.

33:06

It's like Easter eggs everywhere. It's

33:09

like, what

33:11

outcome? How many

33:13

podcast articles or shout outs,

33:15

How many dollars would

33:17

I need to make to

33:19

come close to the feeling

33:21

I felt from having accessed that

33:24

was hidden in plain sight eight inches

33:26

away from me because I chose to

33:28

be loving for no reason in the

33:30

moment for no ROI than it felt

33:33

good to do it because I'm the

33:35

recipient of that feeling. And

33:37

then there's this wink from

33:39

the universe. Like both then

33:41

knew that her late husband and

33:43

my dad were we were all

33:45

in that moment together. And makes you

33:47

like, like, I know, right? How

33:50

many moments like that do we

33:52

miss? Because think what we want is

33:54

this outcome, which won't feel good

33:56

anyway, when really you could walk into

33:58

your day and think. How

34:00

much juice, how much beauty,

34:03

how much light can I

34:05

get to feel today? That's

34:07

the outcome. When that

34:09

becomes what your abundance is, when you

34:11

feel that and seek that and just keep

34:13

generating that. you can't

34:15

miss the synchronicity then you don't

34:18

need any other outcome. no one

34:20

else has really said it in this way apart

34:22

from you, Cathy, ever I've observed. and you know, I've read

34:24

all the books and do all the things. and

34:26

And when you share it in this

34:29

way of, you know, what it is that

34:31

you want, it's just being you, fully you,

34:33

you, you, you, it's not, yeah, yeah, steps, tactics, blah,

34:35

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, they're all available. But

34:37

you're just like, but it's you, like

34:39

you being able to receive. I I love

34:41

how you speak about how we're

34:43

radios and how this is what your teacher taught you and

34:46

receive a shift and what are we tuned to and

34:48

it's always up to us. I've always known

34:50

that, right? You You known be in any situation, a

34:52

a miserable situation and be be good. like living

34:54

in Childs with Cathy up, it was fun. There Cathy

34:56

were loads of kids to play with and

34:59

it was constantly kind of exciting. like and

35:01

and when there kids who would arrive who were

35:03

sad, they'd say, bring because I

35:05

liked it there. And I'm not saying,

35:07

oh oh, I'm putting up like, you know, a band,

35:09

No, it's actually very pleasant living with

35:11

other families and plenty of families live

35:13

that way in communities all over the

35:15

world. It's just that shelters are like,

35:18

oh, that's so terrible. And look, I probably

35:20

wouldn't choose it, but I have plenty

35:22

of joy in those years. And I

35:24

think to myself, yes, sometimes you go

35:26

to Santa Fe a five -star hotel and everyone's scowling

35:28

they're complaining that it's not coconut milk,

35:30

it's almond milk. and

35:32

we all have these moments, you know, but... Well,

35:35

Well, the same way that you just

35:37

said that you haven't heard someone

35:39

say what I said, which I really, I

35:41

find that's what such a

35:43

cool unbelievable compliment, what

35:46

you just said about

35:48

the way you're able, I always

35:50

say Susie Moore have fun

35:52

at an insurance seminar. like Susie

35:54

have fun at the

35:56

DMV for god's sakes and last

35:58

week or the week before. I had a to do

36:00

on my car and

36:03

I go the service and I remember

36:05

they have this incredible cappuccino machine where

36:07

you can make any kind of latte

36:09

think. So I wasn't actually really looking forward

36:11

to that. I I know you love coffee drinks.

36:13

yeah. I do. So I

36:15

go over and do that. And

36:17

then there's this woman sitting next

36:19

to me and she's really stressed

36:21

out. And she says they won't

36:23

give me a loaner car. I can't

36:25

get to work. And I said, oh no.

36:28

And so I then asked the guy behind

36:30

the counter, go, go, would you be able to

36:32

get her a loaner car? And said, no, you got

36:34

the loaner car because car is under

36:36

warranty. Her car is 11 years old,

36:38

so it doesn't qualify for it. Then

36:41

I turned it around to her and I said, where

36:43

do you need to go? She's like, I need to get to

36:45

work. And then I say, how how

36:48

much do you work? And she says,

36:50

ah, I'm actually really overworked. And she

36:52

tells me this whole thing about how

36:54

she's stressed and a a workaholic. I'm not

36:56

joking. She just like me the softball. And

36:59

I said, listen, how many hours is

37:01

it? She said, it's going to take,

37:03

they said about hours or maybe eight hours.

37:05

And I said, so you're actually being

37:07

given an opportunity. There's this really good

37:09

cappuccino machine. There's a TV, it's air conditioned.

37:12

Do you have a phone? So yeah, I go, there's

37:14

podcasts, there's content. I go, what if

37:16

you're being asked to not work today? And

37:19

she started to cry. It's

37:21

just like, we are

37:23

so sure what it

37:25

it is that we're after

37:27

that we miss how

37:30

magical the universe is and

37:32

how it's always, you you

37:34

know, the universe, the way it's

37:36

designed, if you look at a

37:38

garden, it knows how

37:40

to repair itself and move into

37:42

wholeness. Wherever you put a

37:44

tree, the tree will move wherever

37:46

it needs to move to find

37:48

the water, right? We

37:51

have been put in

37:53

a universe that didn't forget

37:55

about us. It

37:57

understands how to move everything

38:00

into to wholeness. And when we

38:02

get that we let go of

38:04

trying to stress and figure

38:06

it out and we just do

38:08

our part, which is to

38:10

find that homeostasis, to find that

38:12

joy, to to open our heart,

38:14

to be at peace, the

38:16

synchronicity will take care of

38:18

itself. All right, one more

38:20

clip from my interview on the Terry Cole

38:23

Show by Terry Cole. How

38:25

does someone overcome the

38:27

feeling of being

38:29

unworthy or the

38:31

syndrome? I'm not enough.

38:33

Who am I to write a a book that

38:35

changes the world? How do we get over that?

38:38

Or what what your thoughts about that? Yeah,

38:40

I mean, mean, first of

38:42

all, Moses was

38:44

in the desert for 85

38:46

years before he believed he

38:48

was worthy enough to go deliver

38:50

like this message. So

38:53

that's just an example of how this idea of of

38:55

am I to do this? He was like, God,

38:57

I have a list, I can't talk, pick someone

38:59

else. He's like, He's like, I think it's you. I

39:02

think that a very

39:04

human journey. I also

39:06

think, as my friend, Tracy Litt says, I like

39:08

it. She says, we at the speed of

39:11

safety. And what I've

39:13

come to understand about all

39:15

of us is depending on

39:17

the circumstances in which we've

39:19

gone through our life, we

39:22

have certain pathways of

39:24

experience. And

39:26

when something is greater

39:29

than what we've received

39:31

before, we literally

39:33

don't have a way

39:35

of understanding that that's

39:37

safe. So I say to

39:39

women all the time, why not

39:42

try on telling yourself, it's safe

39:44

to be abundant. It's

39:46

safe to receive. What

39:48

the ego does, because it

39:51

really loves us, it really wants

39:53

to protect us. So

39:55

sets up a lot of ways for you

39:57

to not be vulnerable. So we're

39:59

young, And know

40:01

this intimately having had to for

40:03

so long, when we're

40:05

young and we we go through

40:07

different ruptures and different

40:09

wounds, the first thing

40:11

it thinks is, oh, oh, I I how

40:14

to protect myself. I will not be

40:16

vulnerable, so I won't have intimacy. And

40:18

part of what creates intimacy is receiving,

40:21

needing someone else, allowing that openness. you You

40:23

know, if you look at the anatomy,

40:25

the the woman and the anatomy, when you're

40:27

creating a a child a a woman's body is

40:29

and a man's body is giving, and

40:31

there needs to be some level of

40:34

openness that So

40:37

that takes a lot of

40:39

vulnerability on a certain level to

40:41

receive, right And so receiving

40:43

from someone is such a gift, because

40:45

what you're doing is you're saying, there's something

40:47

you have to give that I will

40:50

receive that maybe could need, which makes that

40:52

person feel a lot of purpose and

40:54

really close to you. So a really cool

40:56

way that your ego thinks to defend you

40:58

is to say, you don't need anything

41:00

from anyone, you're good because it's not safe,

41:02

because there were times where by allowing

41:05

yourself to be open and vulnerable and

41:07

receive from someone, your walls were down

41:09

and you got hurt. So

41:12

it's it's interesting, there's different

41:14

light bulbs, right And some light

41:16

bulbs have the capacity for

41:18

40 watts 75 watts whatever it

41:20

is. We are each like that.

41:23

We have certain capacity to receive.

41:26

and then when it gets beyond that,

41:28

we'll literally feel very vulnerable. So

41:30

we will sabotage, we'll create a rupture

41:32

in the relationship or we'll put

41:34

a hold on, I can't make more

41:37

money than this, because we'll start making

41:39

some connection in our mind that

41:41

if I make more money, I'll be

41:43

more obligated or I'll be more

41:45

responsible or people all of a a

41:47

sudden will leave. so So that what's interesting,

41:49

one time during kovat actually a few years

41:51

ago, I'm Jewish, but I I love Christmas

41:54

who doesn't? And I felt bad that

41:56

my kids, so many of their like

41:58

things taken from them. So I wanted

42:00

to like do Clark Griswold crazy amounts of Christmas

42:02

lights And so I called

42:04

this guy on December 23rd and said

42:06

I know it's last minute But you

42:08

just string you know a zillion lights on

42:10

the house and long story short I paid

42:12

him this like overage fee because it was like

42:14

two days before Christmas, came with all these

42:16

lights and my husband walked in

42:18

and out of the house twice and said, is

42:21

not to work. And I said to him, why

42:23

is he being such a Debbie Downer? Like rude. Anyway,

42:26

long story short, we finally get

42:28

all the Clark Griswold, the little like Buddy the Elf

42:30

the Santa sleigh there's thousands of lights.

42:32

And we go to turn them on

42:34

and sure enough, not only is

42:36

my husband correct, but not only do

42:38

they not go on, the refrigerator

42:40

in my house goes off and then

42:42

my computer goes off and I

42:44

couldn't open the garage door. And I to

42:46

my husband, can you come out

42:48

and help me? And he said, Here's

42:51

what I tried to tell you. you. We

42:53

don't have enough in the breaker. to

42:56

hold this much light, you

42:58

would have to add a panel

43:00

to the breaker. We We don't

43:03

have the capacity to hold this

43:05

much light. And I said, That

43:07

is the most brilliant metaphor for

43:09

my book, Because there's

43:12

a pharmaceutical concoction. as

43:15

Dr. Joe says, that you feel like you.

43:17

a A little bit of stress, a

43:19

little bit of ease. And if you

43:21

have too much ease, you go, wait, I I don't feel

43:23

like myself. Where's the shame? Where's the doubt? Okay, now

43:25

I feel a little bit more familiar. This This is

43:27

who I was yesterday. This is my personality. Okay, so so you

43:29

go back to that set point. what I'm

43:32

saying is. is, we

43:34

can literally teach our nervous

43:36

system. that it is safe.

43:39

to have a greater breaker. so

43:42

we can stand to receive. When

43:44

somebody goes to say I'll pay for dinner, you

43:46

can say it is safe to say thank you. I I

43:50

appreciate it, I receive that. When somebody

43:52

wants to pay you, it it is safe

43:54

to own your side of the street. and

43:57

let them own theirs and say, let's

43:59

go. go. I appreciate it, I receive

44:01

it, let's work together. We

44:03

can tell ourselves, and

44:06

what's so cool about the brain, and

44:08

this is where I love I was able

44:10

to study both the spiritual aspect, but also

44:12

the actual brain science of it, what's

44:14

so cool about the brain, and I've seen

44:16

this on brain scans at UCLA, when

44:18

you do that, you will literally

44:21

sprout new neuro pathways that will

44:23

support you just

44:25

like a bigger light bulb, and

44:27

will be able to burn through

44:29

the end of where you ended

44:31

before your capacity to receive, your nervous system

44:33

will catch up and say, we're

44:35

good here. Now we have a

44:38

new reference point, we

44:40

are safe to receive. And this

44:42

is what people, and know this,

44:44

in relationships that are healthy, they

44:46

teach each other, they

44:48

heal one another by

44:50

creating new, expanded

44:52

reference points, which allows

44:54

them more receptivity, more

44:56

capacity to receive. Well,

44:59

I hope you enjoyed those little previews. And

45:01

if you wanna listen to the complete interviews,

45:03

you can go to the show notes to

45:05

follow all those podcasts they're gonna be released this

45:07

week, the full episodes. All right, now for

45:09

some takeaways. Number one, walk into your day

45:11

and think how much juice, how much beauty, how

45:13

much light can you get to feel today?

45:15

That's the outcome. Number two, the

45:17

universe is designed to move into wholeness. When we

45:19

let go of trying to stress and figure it out,

45:22

and just do our part to find that homeostasis,

45:24

to find that joy, to open our heart, to

45:26

be at peace, the synchronicity will take care of

45:28

itself. Number three, more than you want piles of

45:30

things, you feel life force moving through you. You want

45:32

feel excited and be in love with life. You

45:34

want your mind to be at peace, and

45:36

you can have it all. You can find a

45:38

way to meet yourself in your true state of

45:40

being, which will feel like abundance. Number

45:42

four, four, everything in nature is designed to

45:44

thrive. You were designed to be an overflow. Number

45:47

five, we are each part of the oneness.

45:49

We're part of our communities, part of our hoods, part

45:51

of the family, part of the country, part of

45:53

the earth, part of the whole. The more that

45:56

each one of us steps into overflow whatever form

45:58

of abundance that is, it'll be contagious. Number

46:00

six, and fill up. Look outside and see

46:02

if you can notice the 47 shades of

46:04

green. Feel your feet on the ground. Take

46:06

a moment in the middle of every day

46:08

when you feel truly satisfied and enjoy your

46:10

life and say everything that I have right now

46:13

is so fulfilling. Number seven,

46:15

have fun. Insert a little more

46:17

joy and play into whatever you're doing. I

46:20

know that I say this all the time, but

46:22

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46:24

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46:26

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46:28

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46:30

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46:32

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46:34

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