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Hey, what's going on? Welcome to

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the Doug show. My name's Doug

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Cunningham, and today we're gonna talk

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about selling stuff on Craigslist

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or Facebook Marketplace. I've had

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a little more experience with

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this in the last few

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weeks, and I'm gonna tell

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some stories. The day that I'm

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recording this, it's actually April 7th,

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and this episode should come out

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next week, and the thing is

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I haven't recorded an episode in

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a while. I've been... traveling

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and quite busy like all through

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Q1. So I actually recorded a

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shitload of stuff in January and

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February and then March was pretty

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much hands off. That said, during

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some of my travels, actually

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during all my travels, I

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brought my recording gear just in

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case and then never recorded anything,

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which was kind of cool. I mean,

1:00

I did get ahead quite a bit.

1:02

I mean, I think I was... something

1:04

like six to seven weeks ahead

1:06

and basically now I ran out

1:09

of the full buffer and here we

1:11

are but I got some great stuff

1:13

to tell you about in it turns

1:16

out perhaps I needed a little bit

1:18

of a break. One main reason is

1:20

I lost my voice for about I

1:22

mean it was about a week so

1:25

one of my travels I'll tell you

1:27

all about my travel but One

1:29

place that I went is the

1:31

Economy Conference in Cincinnati. I actually

1:34

met a bunch of listeners, some

1:36

from this show, but some from

1:38

my other podcast, Mile High Five,

1:40

and then I got to see

1:42

a bunch of my friends. And

1:44

this is a very social conference,

1:46

and basically I showed up on

1:48

like Thursday afternoon, and then each

1:51

night I went to a place

1:53

that was very loud, and I talked

1:55

basically yelled for like a few hours

1:57

as I was. having conversations because it's

1:59

my my voice gets weaker, it's still

2:01

a little scratchy right now, but

2:03

as my voice gets weaker from over

2:06

use, then I try to talk even

2:08

louder. And let's face it, if you're

2:10

drinking alcohol, beer specifically in my

2:12

case, then it just makes it

2:14

worse. It just aggravates the

2:16

whole situation. And I did pretty much

2:18

stick to beer, except for one time,

2:20

late at night, my friend, BJ. I

2:23

was like. Is that bourbon? Did you get

2:25

bourbon? He's like, yeah, you want some.

2:27

So he poured me a little, much

2:29

heavier poor than what I was anticipating,

2:31

especially at like, I mean, let's

2:33

face it, it was two in the

2:35

morning. So that was silly, silly thing

2:37

to do. Anyway, I lost my voice

2:39

for a little while. And the weirdest

2:42

thing is like, my voice was scratchy

2:44

while I was there. Again, within like

2:46

12 hours of arriving in Cincinnati, my

2:48

voice was scratchy. But then after I

2:50

got back home on Monday. My voice

2:52

got worse each consecutive day until

2:54

about Friday. So for like four

2:56

days after I got home, I wasn't even

2:58

talking that much. I was just whispering

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at my wife, which she doesn't like

3:02

that too much. She's like, I hit

3:04

when you fucking whisper. Anyway, so I

3:07

lost my voice. I wasn't able to

3:09

record and I'm like, I'm smart enough

3:11

now. I didn't even schedule anything

3:13

for that week as I anticipated

3:15

my voice would not be in great

3:17

shape. But it actually took even longer

3:19

for it to return. And like I

3:21

said, it's still a little scratchy. So

3:24

well, I learned my lesson, but probably

3:26

not, because I've done this before. But

3:28

one thing that's helpful is that other

3:31

people remind me, but I don't know,

3:33

I'm going to make that happen. I'll

3:35

just need to wear a tag that

3:38

says, like, don't let me talk or

3:40

tell me to go to bed or something

3:42

like that. But anyway, I have some

3:44

notes here that I keep looking at.

3:47

what I sold on Craigslist

3:49

slash Facebook marketplace. I've listed

3:51

in both places. So I'm

3:53

gonna slowly, I'm gonna weave

3:55

in and out of the

3:57

story. So I have been

3:59

purchasing. guitars from Craigslist

4:02

for the last couple of years

4:04

and mostly focusing on purchasing

4:06

them. But once I actually

4:08

made a trade, like someone

4:10

was looking for something that

4:12

I exactly had and I

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was able to trade straight

4:16

up. I think both of

4:18

us got a pretty decent deal

4:21

overall. I feel like monetarily

4:23

from like what I invested

4:25

into the initial guitar, which

4:27

was like a 1939. recording

4:30

king Carson Robinson model K.

4:32

So I traded that for

4:34

national resonator and it was

4:36

from 97. So not nearly

4:38

as old, but I had

4:40

a cool, cool vibe. So

4:42

anyway, we traded straight up and

4:44

that worked out well. So I've

4:47

been doing some guitar stuff and

4:49

most recently, I actually. had

4:51

a series of emails that went

4:53

out for my friend Shawna Newman

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over a skip blast, where I

4:57

documented how I purchased a guitar

4:59

a couple years ago, played it,

5:02

and then sold it. And I also

5:04

bought another guitar, which was on

5:06

consignment at a shop, where I

5:08

was able to negotiate and get

5:10

what I think is a pretty good

5:12

deal on that one as well. So

5:14

anyway, guitars, but I just sold something

5:16

even bigger on Craigslist, and that

5:18

is my truck. And that is

5:21

my truck. So I've had a

5:23

Ford F-150 for, I guess, 18

5:25

years. So I purchased it about

5:27

18 years ago. It's a

5:29

2005, so it's actually, you know,

5:32

20 years old, but I've

5:34

had it for a very

5:36

long time and it was a

5:38

little sad to sell, but

5:40

that is one of the main

5:42

stories I'm going to tell.

5:45

It went really well overall. And

5:47

I will tease a little bit

5:49

because I... I checked out like

5:51

the Kelly Blue Book value, which

5:53

that's what they say to do, like check

5:55

Edmonds and Kelly Blue Book and in

5:57

other things and you could sort of.

6:00

put in the condition of your

6:02

vehicle and kind of gauge it

6:04

based on like if it's in

6:06

super good condition the number of

6:08

miles to options and all that

6:11

kind of stuff and kind of

6:13

get a reasonable estimate of what

6:15

the value is and I would say

6:18

up until maybe 2020 or so

6:20

it that was probably fairly accurate

6:22

now the other thing is I've

6:24

had my truck for 18 years

6:26

so I don't

6:28

transact in the vehicle space

6:30

very often. So I'm assuming

6:33

that Kelly Bluebook and other

6:35

estimators were reasonable up

6:37

until 2020 when COVID hit and

6:40

then we ended up with some

6:42

inflation supply chain issues to use

6:45

car market kind of jumped and

6:47

I thought about selling it back

6:49

then. And the thing is with

6:52

Kelly Bluebook for certain

6:54

cars for older cars for

6:56

older cars. kind of hard

6:59

for the data to even

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be there for them to

7:03

make an estimate. So I

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got significantly more than whatever

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Kelly Blue Book mentioned in

7:10

there. So as we're weaving in

7:12

and out, I didn't list my

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truck until I got back from

7:16

some of the travels. So I'll

7:18

highlight some of the stuff that

7:21

I was doing in Q1. We

7:23

were up in Estes Park, like

7:25

right at the beginning of the

7:27

new year. So it was after

7:30

New Year's, and that means there

7:32

weren't nearly as many people, but

7:34

it was still decorated with lights

7:36

and Christmas tree and other stuff

7:38

like that, but there were very few

7:41

people there. A lot of, you know,

7:43

resort or vacation towns will get busier

7:45

over. the holidays. So Thanksgiving, Christmas, New

7:47

Year's, people are on vacation, they're going

7:49

to rent a house out there, they

7:51

vacation out there, and there's just a

7:53

lot of people there. Right after, everyone's

7:55

going back to work, they're going back

7:57

to school, but if you have a

7:59

flexible... schedule like we do, then you

8:01

can go to places that are, it's

8:04

like just after the busy season. So

8:06

the downside was many restaurants and stores

8:08

didn't have normal hours or they were

8:10

just closed because not many people were

8:12

around. But on the plus side, it's

8:15

not like I'm gonna eat at fucking

8:17

every restaurant in the town. I don't

8:19

need like 30 restaurants to be open.

8:21

I'm gonna eat out like twice maybe

8:23

over the course of a few days.

8:26

So it's not a big deal. Coffee

8:28

shops are open, like there's other, you

8:30

know, there's normal businesses and then like the

8:32

city and municipality workers, like they work and

8:35

they go to the coffee shop and there's

8:37

other, like, not everything's closed, but just some

8:39

things are closed. So it doesn't bother me

8:41

at all and actually gives it kind of

8:44

a more calm and chill vibe. I don't

8:46

need a lot of energy and stuff going

8:48

on around me. So we're up in Estes

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Park. A few weeks after that, I

8:52

went to Breconridge. A friend of

8:54

mine has a very nice house

8:57

up there and he occasionally lets

8:59

some friends stay there. And I

9:01

invited a couple of my buddies

9:03

just to sort of a guy's

9:05

weekend, except it was during the week.

9:07

We have flexible schedules. So we

9:09

went up there and it was,

9:11

you know, the height of ski

9:13

season. I'm not a skier, but

9:15

we snowshoo each day and it

9:18

was awesome. It was actually extremely

9:20

cold up there, like negative degrees.

9:22

negative 10 degrees Fahrenheit. So very

9:24

cold, but it's quite sunny. The

9:26

weather was good. You bundle up

9:29

and you bring the right gear

9:31

and even harsh temperatures are not

9:33

that bad. Now the thing is,

9:35

it wasn't windy. I had some

9:37

friends that were up in the

9:39

vicinity a couple days later and

9:41

it was fierce winds. The temperatures

9:44

were about the same, but it was

9:46

like a 30 mile an hour wind

9:48

and not sunny. and they said it

9:50

was kind of miserable. So we lucked

9:52

out. It was awesome. Actually brought a

9:54

guitar up. My buddy is a musician

9:56

and actually I'll link up. Chris was

9:58

releasing an album. So he'd finished it

10:01

up and just need to run, I

10:03

guess, create the masters and do some

10:05

other audio engineering stuff. So I think

10:07

the first single is out and I'll

10:09

actually link up to it. I need

10:11

to make sure I check in with

10:13

Chris, but he brought a guitar, I

10:15

brought one, he's a very talented musician

10:18

and I'm a bit of a... I'm

10:20

a hobbyist. So it was fun to

10:22

listen to and play and he has

10:24

a super nice guitar. I was able

10:26

to play that and I brought one

10:28

of my resonators, which is, they're a

10:30

bit unique. A lot of people

10:32

don't have those. So he had

10:34

fun playing that as well. So

10:37

we were up there. The other big

10:39

trip was going to a

10:41

couple national parks. So this

10:43

was in March. Let's see.

10:45

Yeah, it was like a few days

10:47

into March. The dates don't matter a

10:49

few days into March, but my wife

10:51

and I and Georgie we headed

10:54

we headed down to Death Valley

10:56

and to Joshua Tree National Parks

10:58

very cool bit of a drive,

11:00

you know, it takes about two

11:02

days to get out that way in I

11:04

mean, we like road trips, so it's

11:06

no big deal. So we were able

11:09

to stop in Utah along the way

11:11

and get some rest there and then

11:13

head on down to Death Valley, which

11:15

was super cool. We stayed in

11:17

the park there. And I think

11:20

it was called like stovepipe wells.

11:22

That sounds right, stovepipe

11:24

wells. It's near some sand dunes. There's

11:26

a lot of sand out there. A

11:28

lot of sand in the desert. That's

11:30

pretty much all there is. A couple

11:33

Joshua trees, another cacti. I think there's

11:35

bugs, but we didn't see much wildlife

11:37

overall. Super cool trip. I have not

11:39

been to that part of the world

11:41

at all. And I mean, I think you

11:43

could probably, like many national

11:46

parks, stay there for weeks and explore

11:48

and really kind of take your time.

11:50

But it was a fairly quick trip.

11:52

We were only in Death Valley for

11:54

about, I don't know. 24 hours 36

11:56

hours something like that and then headed

11:58

down to job We stayed in the

12:01

town of Joshua Tree, which is just

12:03

down the street from the National Park,

12:05

and we were able to spend some

12:07

time there and see some of the

12:10

main things that you could check out,

12:12

including a very cool oasis. I think

12:14

it was called 45 palms oasis,

12:16

and just really pretty neat. I

12:18

mean, I don't know how to

12:20

describe it other than like, you're

12:22

walking along this sort of deserty

12:25

area, and then all of a

12:27

sudden there's like, there's. palm trees

12:29

and trees and other vegetation and

12:31

there's a bunch of birds right

12:34

there and it is like a

12:36

little oasis just like in the Bugs

12:38

Bunny cartoons that we recall from our

12:41

youth. So a lot of stuff out

12:43

there and I was like I think

12:45

I do want to sell my truck

12:47

but I want to make sure

12:50

that I have some other stuff

12:52

closed, including like all the travel

12:54

closed out. So I was like,

12:57

when I get back from Cincinnati,

12:59

the economy conference, I'll go

13:01

ahead and list my truck.

13:04

Now, I mentioned earlier that I

13:06

went to Kelly Blue Book and

13:08

I tried to get an estimate.

13:10

When I did that, the value of

13:13

my car was, I think, somewhere

13:15

between, they give you a range,

13:17

right? 3200 to 3,800 to 3,

13:19

800. somewhere right around there and

13:21

I was like that seems a

13:23

little bit low and I remember

13:25

telling my wife I think I could

13:27

probably get like 3,500 to 4,000 or

13:29

so I think it's a little bit

13:32

low I think I can get 4,000

13:34

now a couple months ago when I

13:36

was talking to her I was like I

13:38

think I might be able to get 5,000

13:40

but as time went on and I did

13:42

the Kelly Blue Book stuff I

13:44

was like I think I might

13:46

only be 4,000 Now one feature

13:49

that they do have on Kelly

13:51

Bluebook and some other estimation websites,

13:53

they have a sort of a

13:55

like buy it now offer where

13:58

you put in the specs. You

14:00

even put in your VIN,

14:02

your vehicle identification number, and

14:05

then they will make some

14:07

offer and then give that

14:09

information to dealerships in your area,

14:11

and then people will call you

14:14

and see if you want to

14:16

do a deal. And I was

14:18

familiar with it because I saw

14:20

it a few months ago when

14:23

my neighbor had a Chevy Volt

14:25

that he was thinking of selling and

14:27

I was like, maybe I'm interested in

14:29

it. So I actually drove it and

14:31

it wasn't good for me. I was

14:34

just like, maybe I'll get a good

14:36

deal. The guy takes really good care

14:38

of his car and I was like,

14:40

this could be a great vehicle. Some

14:42

of my friends have a Chevy Volt

14:44

and I eventually realized, ah,

14:46

it's not really for me unless I

14:49

can get a really good deal, which

14:51

is never a great way to make

14:53

a. buying decision where you're like, I'm

14:55

gonna buy this because it's very cheap.

14:57

It's like buy it because you need

14:59

it or you want it for a

15:01

specific reason, but like buying something because

15:03

it's a good deal. I don't know.

15:05

Like if that's all you're into, then

15:07

it could be okay where you're like,

15:09

I buy cheap stuff and then I

15:11

flip it and I sell it. But

15:13

I need there to be a little

15:15

bit more to it than just a

15:17

good deal. So anyway, my friend, my

15:19

neighbor, he. did the buy it

15:21

now via Kelly Blue Book, and

15:24

he got a great offer. It

15:26

was actually exactly what I assumed

15:29

that the retail value was. And

15:31

he got what the retail value

15:33

was, which kind of shocked me.

15:36

I'm not sure exactly what was

15:38

going on other than the fact

15:40

that it is a. hybrid vehicle.

15:42

So for people that don't

15:44

know, the Chevy Volt, it

15:46

has a, it's actually a

15:49

gas generator. It's not the

15:51

same sort of traditional engine.

15:53

So the gas generator powers

15:55

the electric motor and batteries

15:57

and stuff. So it's kind

15:59

of. cool idea that if you're

16:01

not ready to like get a

16:03

pure EV then it's a good

16:05

like way to bridge the gap.

16:07

So anyway my friend got a

16:10

great offer exactly what I thought

16:12

he would get for like if

16:14

someone was buying it retail so

16:16

we got the retail price the

16:18

only way that I could imagine

16:20

that the dealers were able to

16:22

do that is if there were

16:24

some TV subsidy that they were

16:26

able to take advantage of, which

16:28

totally makes sense. Because when I

16:30

was looking, it was about 4,000

16:32

bucks. So that would probably be enough

16:34

to cover their high offer, because

16:36

it didn't make sense to me.

16:38

I was like, I would maybe pay

16:40

like $9,000 for it. So luckily, I

16:43

didn't go that route. All that to

16:45

say, I was like, hey, what will

16:47

they give me for my F-150? And

16:49

it was $1,800, and I was like,

16:51

what the fuck? Are you out of

16:53

your mind? Like, I think you

16:56

can't even buy a non-running

16:58

F-150 for $1,800. I mean,

17:00

that is absurd. So, or

17:02

if, I mean, it would

17:04

have to be falling apart.

17:06

So, $1,800, I was like,

17:08

this is a non-starter. The

17:10

thing that I was frustrated

17:12

with is, so I got

17:14

a call. And then I got

17:16

another call and then I got an

17:18

email and some of them were from

17:20

the same dealer this was like within

17:23

12 hours or so. So apparently like

17:25

if you put in your info then

17:27

your info goes out to all these

17:29

dealers around here and they're just like

17:31

boom boom boom and like I said it

17:33

must have gone to like multiple

17:36

people at the same dealership which

17:38

I'm like what the fuck would I

17:40

want to hear from multiple people at

17:42

the same like this is crazy

17:44

like. get it together. So I did I

17:46

called the people back because they were doing their

17:48

job right so no issue with that they were

17:51

doing their job and I was like not interested

17:53

thanks for following up called hey

17:55

not interested thanks for following up

17:57

you can remove me from the

17:59

list. that was good, but I

18:01

was just like, oh man, if

18:03

you had like a really sought

18:06

after car, they would be really

18:08

handing you. But mine was low,

18:10

I mean, 800 bucks, like

18:12

that's a pretty low

18:15

profit, but they were all

18:17

over it. Tenacious. So let's get

18:19

to, let's get to the point

18:21

here. When I sold the guitar,

18:24

which was a Martin

18:26

double-ot or double-o,

18:28

15, I put in. tons of

18:30

detail. So I told the little

18:32

story how I got the guitar.

18:35

I gave some information about the

18:37

condition of the guitar. I gave

18:39

some pros. One of the biggest

18:41

things, and this was the perhaps

18:43

the biggest takeaway of listing both

18:45

the guitar and my truck. I

18:47

not only listed the pros, but

18:50

I listed the cons. I gave

18:52

them as much information as I

18:54

possibly could about issues. any gripes

18:56

that I have. And the thing

18:58

is, like, if I don't, like

19:01

if I don't tell them, someone

19:03

is gonna look over the truck

19:05

and they're gonna find the flaws.

19:07

But if I just lay it

19:09

out and I say, hey, there's

19:11

some scratches up here. some of

19:14

the clear coat is flaking up

19:16

from the area above the grill

19:18

and provide a picture. Oh yeah,

19:20

there's some interior issues with the,

19:22

like the mid console, it's just

19:24

the plastic broke because it's sitting

19:26

in the Colorado sun each day

19:28

and heating up to whatever, like

19:30

120 degrees or whatever it gets

19:33

into inside the car there. So

19:35

there's a little bit of an

19:37

issue there. There's also, I can't

19:39

remember some of the other issues,

19:41

but it's like, hey, there's a

19:43

there's a big scratch here, there's

19:45

dings and bumps and whatever. So

19:47

if you let them know what the

19:49

issues are and you're straightforward about them,

19:52

it builds a huge amount of trust.

19:54

So essentially when it when it came

19:56

down to it, the person didn't find

19:58

any issues that I. like didn't outline I

20:01

mean I don't think there there are any

20:03

others right as far as I know like

20:05

the last time I brought it in they

20:07

they told me hey there's these things wrong

20:09

with it and I did all of

20:11

those things and then there's new tires

20:13

and by the way there's a battery

20:16

that I bought two years ago and

20:18

there's a you know hardly any miles

20:20

on the oil change but it's been

20:22

a while so you may want to

20:24

get the oil change so all all

20:26

this stuff I just disclosed ahead of

20:28

time and I wasn't sure what

20:30

to list it at because Kelly Blue

20:32

Book told me, you know, $3,500,

20:34

give or take a few hundred

20:36

dollars. And I thought, that's wrong.

20:38

So what else can we do,

20:41

right? We can look at the

20:43

other listings out there, which is

20:45

what I have been doing for

20:47

the past couple months, just I

20:49

would pop in and take a

20:51

look at F-150's within, I would say,

20:53

like, two years, either way. around

20:56

the same model year.

20:58

And a couple things

21:00

popped out. Number

21:02

one, any car, I'll

21:04

keep saying car, but

21:07

I mean my truck,

21:09

the truck that's 20

21:11

years old, that's an

21:13

F-150, 50,000 miles or

21:16

more, my truck only

21:18

had 139. So it's way

21:21

fewer miles, about 100,000 miles

21:23

less than many of the

21:25

other cars. And the other

21:27

thing is if it was

21:29

a, if it was a

21:31

truck that had a similar

21:33

number of miles, it wasn't

21:35

that old. So trucks that

21:37

had 125 to 150,000 miles, they

21:39

were like eight years old. They

21:41

were six to eight years old,

21:44

give or take. A lot of

21:46

times these are work trucks. So

21:48

especially, you know, mine wasn't a

21:50

fancy model. It was pretty much

21:52

it was one of the bare

21:55

bones model. So it was like

21:57

one of the two lowest trim

21:59

lines. It had like. manual windows

22:01

and manual locks. So that

22:03

is very uncommon these days. Hell, I

22:05

don't even think you can get a

22:07

car now that has like manual locks

22:10

or windows. So anyway, this is

22:12

a little older school kind of

22:14

truck and it doesn't have like

22:16

the bells and whistles and all

22:18

that kind of stuff. So. It was

22:21

really interesting looking because when you

22:23

look at the you know the

22:25

more modern Trucks from say 2018

22:28

2015 like around there They'll have

22:30

a similar number of miles, but

22:32

they'll be much newer and thus

22:34

a lot more expensive So I

22:37

was in this sort of weird

22:39

no man's land of the number

22:41

of miles and the model year

22:43

in the overall condition because some

22:46

of the other listings that I

22:48

would see It would be F-150,

22:50

say, 2005, just like mine. It

22:53

would say 200,000 miles. It would

22:55

be whatever, $2,500. It was like,

22:57

it runs, but it needs

23:00

a new transmission. Or it

23:02

runs, but there's some kind

23:04

of issue with the radiator

23:06

and something, something, so it's

23:09

like many of these trucks.

23:11

They were cheap, but they

23:13

had some kind of major

23:15

issue. Needs a new engine like

23:17

I saw that a couple times. I

23:19

was like, okay, my truck's sort of in

23:22

a different kind of area here

23:24

The other thing to remember when

23:26

you're looking at what's listed out

23:29

there Just like on like a

23:31

reverb or you're over there on

23:33

eBay or Facebook marketplace Whatever is

23:36

listed Doesn't mean that's what people

23:38

are getting for it. So if If

23:40

the person is doing this correctly,

23:42

then they'll list it a little

23:44

bit higher and they'll have some

23:47

negotiation room in there, which I

23:49

knew. And actually, I played it

23:51

fairly chill for as much as

23:53

I enjoy negotiating and wheeling and

23:55

dealing and all that kind of

23:58

shit. I played it pretty. straight

24:00

and I accepted the offer

24:02

because immediately the offer was good.

24:04

So the other thing when you look

24:07

through and you spend time studying

24:09

these listings, so not only

24:11

is the asking price not

24:13

what is being paid, it's

24:15

usually significantly lower, or at

24:17

least lower depends on the listing

24:20

price and all the details, but

24:22

like whatever is listed, that is

24:24

not the value. That is just

24:27

what things are listed for. is

24:29

you look through these, the listings

24:31

are horrible. They are absolutely

24:34

horrible. In fact, it's like

24:36

the notes for this podcast,

24:38

I put it on a

24:40

normal three by three posted

24:43

note here, and it's just

24:45

like, there's not even that

24:47

much. Like some people write

24:49

a little bit more, but

24:51

typically what you get is

24:53

Ford F-150 2005, and. good

24:55

condition and the number of

24:57

miles like they don't tell

25:00

you shit you might be

25:02

able to get the the

25:04

trim line and a couple

25:06

other details like that but

25:08

they hardly put any information

25:10

there so when you look at

25:12

it you're like is this a

25:14

good deal or not I can't

25:16

even tell further there's like one

25:19

or two pictures and you're

25:21

you're thinking did they take

25:23

this with their flip phone like what's

25:25

going on I can't even see see

25:27

the truck here a few of them will

25:30

have more photos which is helpful

25:32

and you can kind of get

25:34

a sense you know visually that's

25:36

very helpful now if you're on

25:38

Facebook they actually encourage you to

25:40

do a video and they say

25:42

hey marketplace listings with a

25:44

video get viewed blah blah blah blah

25:47

more times and it's certainly more engaging

25:49

right like you could record audio and

25:51

that sort of stuff I didn't do

25:53

a video in this case but I

25:55

had a lot of photos so I'll back

25:58

up just a second and mention I

26:00

put all those sorts of

26:02

details about the truck and

26:04

how I got it and

26:06

why I'm selling it. I

26:08

did list out the specs.

26:10

So you can go to

26:13

most websites with the estimation

26:15

of the value or the

26:17

manufacturer's website, but basically you

26:19

get all the specs. So it's

26:21

like curb weight, horsepower, other

26:23

stuff like that people care

26:26

about. You can just copy

26:28

and paste those in. pretty

26:30

straightforward. I put in sort

26:32

of the condition, the good

26:35

parts, the bad parts, condition

26:37

inside, the exterior condition, that

26:39

sort of thing. I also had some

26:42

extras that I was going to

26:44

include. So in this case, I had a

26:46

lot of tie-down straps. So it's

26:48

a truck of hauled stuff all

26:51

over and you need these ratchet

26:53

tie-down straps. And I had a

26:55

number of them that I have

26:57

accumulated over the years. plus like

26:59

a towing strap. So this is

27:01

like a heavy duty strap

27:03

basically that you could, you know,

27:06

put it on the hitch and I could

27:08

like, like, pull a car or pull something

27:10

if I needed to, right? And

27:13

I was including all that stuff.

27:15

So it was probably, you know,

27:17

$100 worth of tie-down straps and

27:20

stuff like that. I also had

27:22

snow chains because I lived in

27:24

Bozeman, Montana for a few years

27:26

where it snows a lot. I think

27:29

it's like 100 inches a year

27:31

or something like that. Fairly significant.

27:33

And my truck needed chains. It's

27:35

a two-wheel drive truck. So I was

27:37

like, I'm throwing in these chains. And

27:40

the chains, I think, if you buy

27:42

them new, now these are used, of

27:44

course. But if you buy them new,

27:46

I think they're like $700 or something

27:48

like that. So another little value. And

27:50

I set those in the back of

27:52

the truck. took a picture so you

27:54

could see, hey, there's all these tie-down

27:57

straps and extra accessories and stuff like

27:59

that. So had that. extras and then

28:01

I listed the issues nothing major but

28:03

like there were a couple little things

28:06

superficial inside and outside of the

28:08

car there was also like the

28:10

the radio volume knob doesn't work

28:12

perfectly so sometimes when you're actually

28:15

turning it down the volume goes

28:17

up so you kind of have

28:19

to jiggle it a little bit but

28:21

not a huge deal but I disclosed

28:24

that and a couple other minor things

28:26

the details of which don't matter.

28:28

When you list something

28:30

on Marketplace or

28:32

Craigslist, the scammers will come

28:34

out of the woodwork. And people

28:37

get really frustrated with this. And

28:39

I think if I had like

28:41

a business that relied on being

28:43

on Craigslist or Facebook all the

28:45

time, it would drive me crazy.

28:47

But I knew that I was

28:49

going to have to deal with

28:51

this. So if anything seemed weird.

28:53

even if you don't know why

28:56

it's weird, it's probably a scam

28:58

and you can get out of

29:00

it. There are a lot of

29:02

people that are just like, hi, is

29:04

this available? And it's like, yeah, it's

29:07

available. I didn't lose my shit over

29:09

that. Sometimes I'll see postings where it's

29:11

like, if the listing's still up, it's

29:13

still available, like all in caps and

29:16

the person's obviously getting frustrated, but the

29:18

person's obviously getting frustrated. It's

29:20

okay if people ask that you

29:22

could just say, yes, I have

29:24

some offers already or yes, do

29:26

you have any questions or whatever

29:28

and Just go from there. Don't

29:30

don't lose your shit on that

29:33

people ask. It's not a big deal

29:35

It can be frustrating, but

29:37

just it means people are looking

29:39

at your ad even if there's

29:41

scammers. Okay. So here's the biggest

29:43

scam that came through this was

29:46

the Craigslist so there's two

29:48

main ones that come through So

29:50

the boring one is as soon

29:52

as it's listed someone

29:55

Will ping me so I

29:57

had a phone number listed

29:59

and And you could

30:01

contact me via email

30:04

or you could contact

30:06

me via Craigslist

30:09

chat. So what I

30:11

have observed is people

30:14

will, people will

30:16

ping you on your phone

30:18

via text and

30:20

they will say, hey,

30:23

I'm interested in your.

30:25

item and they'll list out

30:27

whatever the title is exactly and

30:29

then they'll say send me an

30:32

email and they'll put the email

30:34

on there. Well I'm like that's

30:36

weird something's off with that because

30:38

I said you can send me

30:41

an email via Craigslist or you

30:43

could text me. But I didn't say

30:45

text me and then try to get

30:47

me to email. So what they're trying

30:49

to do is get you to email

30:51

them directly so that they have your

30:53

email so they can then spam you

30:55

and try to do whatever it is

30:57

they're trying to do. I don't even

30:59

know what it is. But basically they

31:01

should be emailing you through the email

31:03

relay which keeps your email address

31:05

and their email address anonymous through

31:07

Craigslist. So basically if you go

31:10

to Craigslist, you can click reply.

31:12

and it'll show like via email,

31:14

and then it'll create this, I

31:16

think relay is the right word,

31:18

but basically you send it to

31:20

a some crazy addressed, address Craigslist,

31:23

and then it goes to their email

31:25

and then they reply back, and it

31:27

goes through Craigslist, and that way your

31:29

email address and the other person's email

31:31

address are, they're still anonymous, right? So

31:34

you never see it directly. So that's,

31:36

that's fine. So when I saw people

31:38

are like. Hey, email me. I was

31:40

like, no, you email me. And then

31:42

they're like burner numbers. The whole, the

31:44

whole thing's a scam. So if you

31:46

see that happen, it usually happens like

31:49

right when you list it. So I'm

31:51

like, oh, wow, people are interested. I'm

31:53

like, wait a second. People aren't interested.

31:55

Okay, so that one was kind of

31:57

a dumb one. This one is a

31:59

decent one. So they sent me a

32:01

text and they're like, hey, I'm

32:03

very interested. They were like, hey,

32:06

can we meet tomorrow? And you

32:08

know, punctuation was a little bit

32:10

off and things were a little

32:12

funny. But I was like, oh,

32:15

can you meet me over at

32:17

the Costco and we'll do the

32:19

deal there and. they were like,

32:21

they didn't answer, but they're like,

32:24

yeah, we can meet at nine,

32:26

and they were asking a few

32:28

things. There's like, you know what,

32:31

since I'm gonna meet you, can

32:33

you go ahead and send me

32:35

the, I forget what they called

32:38

it, it's like a G-G-W papers,

32:40

and I was like, what is

32:43

G-W papers? And they were like,

32:45

oh, you go to this website, and

32:47

it looks like it'll. give me a

32:49

title search and it kind of adds

32:52

up, but I was like, what the

32:54

fuck is this? This doesn't make sense.

32:56

And what I was doing is like

32:59

I was going to the Colorado vehicle

33:01

website, giving you tips on how

33:03

to sell a car or buy a

33:05

car, right? What you have to do

33:07

from a paperwork perspective and all that

33:09

kind of stuff. And they have a

33:11

title search. link on there. And then

33:13

it'll give you a bunch of different

33:16

options for title search. So I was

33:18

like, oh, I'm not going to go

33:20

to that website. So I did the

33:22

free title search from a website, which

33:24

was linked from the Colorado Department of

33:26

Vehicles. And I was like, you know

33:28

what? I'm not going to do your

33:30

website, dude. Here's the title search thing.

33:32

And basically, it's a PDF. You can see

33:34

it's a clean title. And they were like,

33:37

well, you know, I like this one because

33:39

it does this stuff. And I was like,

33:41

you know what, this is, this feels weird.

33:43

I don't know why this person is giving

33:46

me a weird vibe, but they kind of

33:48

are. And I was like, hey, you know what?

33:50

Let's hop on the phone. Like, can I give

33:52

you a call? And then they said, you

33:54

know, I think we're really close to a

33:56

deal. I would hate for the deal to

33:58

fall through because this GW search. for the

34:00

title cost $28, like can you please

34:02

pay the $28? And then I was

34:04

like, you know what, fuck that, I'm

34:07

not paying $28. You pay the $28, I

34:09

mean, I didn't say that. In my

34:11

head, I'm thinking, fuck you, you pay

34:13

$28, right? Like I'm not paying money

34:15

to sell my car, get the fuck

34:17

out of here. So anyway, I was

34:20

like, hey, I don't want the deal

34:22

to fall through, definitely happy

34:24

to check out your title search. Let

34:26

me just give you a call. So that

34:28

was the key. I was like, let's get

34:31

on the phone, because if I ask a

34:33

few questions, I should be able to identify

34:35

quickly if you are even in the state,

34:37

if you are local at all, and if

34:39

you know where I'm talking about meeting,

34:42

and just a couple weed out questions.

34:44

Of course, once I start asking about,

34:46

hey, let's hop on the phone, we're

34:48

just gonna talk for like two minutes.

34:51

Let's stop texting, let's hop

34:53

on the phone. So anyway,

34:55

stop responding. And basically, I don't

34:57

know what the scam was if it

34:59

was to try to get me to

35:01

pay $28, like they were some sort

35:04

of marketing arm to trick people that

35:06

are selling their car to get a

35:08

title search thing, which should generally be

35:10

free. Sometimes you have to pay, but like

35:12

if you're getting that level. there's

35:14

a commercial level of these sort

35:16

of title searches. I don't know

35:18

much about it, but I was

35:20

like, either they're trying to get me

35:23

to buy this thing that I don't need, or

35:25

they could be trying to, you know,

35:27

capture payment data and credit card

35:29

information and that sort of thing. So

35:31

I don't know what the scam

35:33

was, but that's the thing. It doesn't

35:36

matter what the scam is. If it

35:38

feels weird, pull the plug, get out

35:40

of there. Like there's no. scenario

35:42

where I'm going to pay to do a

35:44

title search, like if someone wants to take

35:46

the card to a mechanic, I'm not going

35:48

to pay for it. You get your mechanic

35:51

to pay for it and you give me

35:53

a report. Like, I'm not paying money to

35:55

do my transaction. So that was one of

35:57

the biggest things and I think people

36:00

could get talked into it if

36:02

they're like, well, you know, I

36:04

don't want to lose the deal

36:06

because I'm just not willing to

36:08

pay $28. But I was like,

36:10

something's funny on that. Okay. I

36:12

was contacted by someone locally that

36:14

pinged me and they seemed they

36:16

seemed legit overall, but they did

36:18

have like errors and punctuation and

36:20

some formatting and some language stuff,

36:22

but I don't think English was

36:24

their first language. In fact, I

36:26

ended up talking to that guy

36:28

on the phone because I did

36:30

send a message and I was

36:32

like, hey, just want to make

36:34

sure you're real. There's a lot

36:36

of scammers. But he actually made

36:38

like a soft offer and I

36:40

was like, yeah, like, I think

36:42

we can make it happen. He

36:44

lives like a town over. He

36:46

lives like a town over. without

36:48

me even asking, I was just

36:50

like, I just want to make

36:52

sure you're real, like, are you

36:55

in the area asked like a

36:57

question or two? And then he

36:59

called and then we chat on

37:01

the phone and he was like,

37:03

hey, I'm sorry, I speak Spanish,

37:05

English isn't my first language, but

37:07

you know, let's try to talk

37:09

through it. So we talked through

37:11

it. We were planning on meeting

37:13

up, it turned out that once

37:15

he reviewed his finances and chatted

37:17

with his wife, he was like,

37:19

you know, I can't. I can't

37:21

do it, like, it's a little

37:23

bit tight this month, so I

37:25

can't do it and I don't

37:27

want to waste your time. So

37:29

kudos to that guy, I actually

37:31

thanks him later and send him

37:33

a message and I was like,

37:35

hey, I did sell the truck,

37:37

blah, blah, blah. Okay. As we're

37:39

wrapping up here, so what happened

37:41

was it seemed like. someone was

37:43

a scammer and they pinged to

37:45

me, they were like, hey, is

37:47

the truck still available? Which is

37:50

exactly what some of the scammers

37:52

do. They're like, hey, is the

37:54

truck still available? But you never

37:56

know. So I was like, yeah,

37:58

still available. And they were like,

38:00

hey, my name's Orion. And I

38:02

was like, this is a fake

38:04

name. Like I didn't say that,

38:06

but I. I was like, it's

38:08

a fake name. So it went

38:10

back and forth and it seemed

38:12

legit. It seemed pretty legit. And

38:14

went back and forth a little

38:16

bit. He asked a few questions.

38:18

I gave a little bit more

38:20

information. I sent over the clean

38:22

title searches that I got. And

38:24

you can see that they were,

38:26

you know, from the Colorado website

38:28

or a similar legit website. He

38:30

made me an offer. So I

38:32

listed it for. Six thousand four

38:34

hundred and seventy seven dollars. You

38:36

always got to make make the

38:38

last digit of seven, right? It's

38:40

like all the internet marketing lessons

38:42

that I've learned on pricing, they

38:44

still hold up. So he was,

38:47

he was reasonable and he was

38:49

like, can you negotiate a little

38:51

bit? And I'm like, yeah, I'll

38:53

accept, you know, any reasonable offers.

38:55

Like, go ahead, make your offer.

38:57

And I did note cash, so

38:59

that's one other big thing, cash

39:01

only. And I'll tell you a

39:03

little bit more about that. But

39:05

anyway, he made an offer of

39:07

6,000, and this is where I

39:09

didn't even negotiate back. I could

39:11

have, you know, a lot of

39:13

times you get an offer, and

39:15

then you meet in the middle,

39:17

and it's like, hey, let's meet

39:19

in the middle, but I was

39:21

like, 6,000, that's legit. reason why

39:23

is like when I chat with

39:25

my wife and she was like,

39:27

oh, like what, like, what would

39:29

you be really happy with if

39:31

you get it? And I was

39:33

like, I'll be happy if I

39:35

get $5,000. I was like, that

39:37

would be pretty spot on. She

39:39

went out of town like right

39:42

after that. I was like, yeah,

39:44

I think I'm gonna list it

39:46

tomorrow and that's when she was

39:48

heading out of town. And then

39:50

I closed the whole deal within

39:52

30 hours. So I listed it

39:54

in the morning and the next

39:56

afternoon. It was sold. Absolutely crazy.

39:58

So, went back and forth a

40:00

little bit. And one reason why.

40:02

you kind of just need to

40:04

accept cash and nothing else, even

40:06

for a huge transaction. It was

40:08

literally the most cash I've ever

40:10

had. It was like $600 bills,

40:12

which is like a pretty significant

40:14

stack. Basically, we have ways to

40:16

pay electronically. And, you know, Zell,

40:18

there's Venmo, there's a couple other,

40:20

you know, PayPal, there's other stuff,

40:22

but the issue is other. someone

40:24

can make a claim and do

40:26

basically like a charge back situation

40:28

if you do an electronic payment

40:30

and there's kind of there's not

40:32

much you could do about it

40:34

I think it could be a

40:37

hassle I mean obviously if they

40:39

have your vehicle and you have

40:41

their information you have the bill

40:43

of sale and the other kind

40:45

of stuff you have to do

40:47

then okay like you could unravel

40:49

it and probably like make sure

40:51

you get your money but it's

40:53

still paying in the ass. Cash

40:55

is just like straight up value.

40:57

There's no bullshit. The other thing

40:59

is I also did a little

41:01

research on taking like a cashier's

41:03

check, but it's hard to verify

41:05

those and they can be faked.

41:07

So I think the only way

41:09

I would actually accept a cashier's

41:11

check is if I went to

41:13

the bank with a person where

41:15

they like, I saw the cashier's

41:17

check was like printed out and

41:19

at that point here at the

41:21

bank. just give me the cash

41:23

and we'll do that. I was

41:25

slightly hoping that we like banked

41:27

at the same place so he

41:29

could withdraw the cash and then

41:31

I could just put it directly

41:34

in my account and not be

41:36

walking around with all that cash

41:38

which I literally did. I literally

41:40

like drove to a place sold

41:42

the truck and then I walked

41:44

back home with $6,000 in my

41:46

pocket which is crazy. It's like

41:48

a scene from a super store

41:50

for the people that know That

41:52

show where Bo and Walker around

41:54

with $5,000 cash in his pocket,

41:56

side tangent, won't even get into

41:58

it. But basically, cash is exactly

42:00

what you want to accept. And

42:02

the person had to go to

42:04

the bank and get some stuff

42:06

put together and whatever. And I

42:08

think they went to the bank,

42:10

got the cash, and then came

42:12

to meet me. We did the

42:14

deal in like 15 minutes. There's

42:16

some paperwork to fill out. Make

42:18

sure you do it right, blah,

42:20

blah, blah, blah. bill of sale,

42:22

some other stuff, but at that

42:24

point we had built quite a

42:26

lot of trust. Again, if you're

42:29

telling the person what is also

42:31

what is wrong with the thing

42:33

that you're selling, that builds some

42:35

trust and it saves a lot

42:37

of time too because basically if

42:39

someone like if I was buying

42:41

a used car, I'd be going

42:43

around like kicking all the tires.

42:45

I'm pretty direct too. So I'm

42:47

like, what is wrong with your

42:49

product? tell me the issues that

42:51

you have. And in fact, like

42:53

tomorrow I'm going to check out

42:55

a guitar and I've been sort

42:57

of ping people and asking them,

42:59

and I'm like, what is wrong

43:01

with it? I see there's some

43:03

where, there's some normal things that

43:05

I expect, but I'm asking you,

43:07

like tell me what's wrong with

43:09

it. And sometimes you're like, I

43:11

don't know, nothing, like everything's fine.

43:13

Usually people, like if you ask

43:15

directly, they will kind of try

43:17

to tell you. Because I mentioned

43:19

all the stuff that was wrong,

43:21

there was very little tire kicking.

43:23

It was very clear to see

43:26

there were new tires and just

43:28

generally, like, things were exactly how

43:30

I described it. So there was

43:32

a lot of trust there. He

43:34

did ask about having a mechanic

43:36

check it out, which is a

43:38

wise thing to do. If you're

43:40

buying a used car, like that

43:42

is sort of the advice, even

43:44

if it's, you know, sort of

43:46

a newer car. Or even if

43:48

it's an older car. Now the

43:50

thing is, I have a friend

43:52

who he does a lot of

43:54

buying and selling of used cars

43:56

from my understanding, at least over

43:58

the years. He mentioned that if

44:00

it's below $5,000 or so, then

44:02

it's often cheap enough where people

44:04

will show up with cash quickly.

44:06

And if someone does want to

44:08

take it to a mechanic, he's

44:10

like, well, there's a lot of

44:12

people calling about this. So if

44:14

you want to take it to

44:16

a mechanic, that's fine, but it

44:18

needs to fit into a tiny

44:21

little window. you should have an

44:23

appointment, maybe we just meet directly

44:25

there and you have your people

44:27

check it over. By the way,

44:29

you're paying for the mechanic to

44:31

look at it and I would

44:33

like to get the report afterwards

44:35

and that way I would save

44:37

some time. But basically, my friend

44:39

said, if it's under 5,000 bucks,

44:41

then people are going to show

44:43

up with cash. So when the

44:45

new owner of my truck asked

44:47

me about a mechanic, I was

44:49

like, Cool, if you want to

44:51

do it, that's great. But basically

44:53

I have like backup offers, which

44:55

I did. I had some, again,

44:57

sort of soft offers, but people

44:59

were very interested in the car,

45:01

and I'm like, they'll come check

45:03

it out immediately after you. And

45:05

whoever, you could take it to

45:07

a mechanic, but it needs to

45:09

be quick, and it needs to

45:11

be this afternoon, because basically whoever

45:13

shows up with cash first, we'll

45:16

get the truck. And I was

45:18

shocked at how quick. the whole

45:20

thing happened. My wife was even

45:22

more shocked. Again, she was at

45:24

a town. So by the afternoon,

45:26

I was like, hey, the truck's

45:28

gone. So she left and she

45:30

was like, oh, it could be

45:32

the last time I see the

45:34

truck. But I don't even know

45:36

if you believe that. But it

45:38

was so incredibly fast. And the

45:40

thing is, I think, I mean,

45:42

it was so fast where I'm

45:44

like, did I price it too

45:46

low? But the other thing is,

45:48

especially with... selling a vehicle, which

45:50

most of us probably don't do

45:52

this very often. I mean, for

45:54

me, the last time I bought

45:56

a vehicle was 18 years ago,

45:58

and then actually I helped my

46:00

wife a little when she got

46:02

her car like 14 years ago.

46:04

The thing is, maybe I could

46:06

have gotten a little bit more

46:08

money based on how quickly it

46:10

sold. However, there's a time element.

46:13

And the thing that I didn't

46:15

want to happen was for this

46:17

to go on for like three

46:19

weeks where I've met like six

46:21

or seven people and you have

46:23

to do the scheduling stuff and

46:25

then it's like. you let them

46:27

test drive it you let them

46:29

take your car and drive it

46:31

around and there's some risk involved

46:33

with that side note I told

46:35

anyone who wanted to test drive

46:37

it which it ended up only

46:39

being one person even seeing it

46:41

basically I was like bring your

46:43

license and proof of insurance and

46:45

I like took a picture and

46:47

saw like okay I have their

46:49

ID they have insurance and I

46:51

picked the location where like someone

46:53

can basically drive on low traffic

46:55

streets and you know get the

46:57

truck up to speed kind of

46:59

drive around a little bit and

47:01

be very close and feel like

47:03

they were able to you know

47:05

actually test drive the truck and

47:08

I didn't go with him by

47:10

the way so I just I

47:12

let him take it the one

47:14

thing I did again at the

47:16

suggestion of my friend is I

47:18

gave them the keys and then

47:20

I was like give me your

47:22

keys they were a little bit

47:24

like I'm not gonna give you

47:26

my keys I'm like we have

47:28

my keys and you're driving my

47:30

truck so just If you could

47:32

leave me your keys, then we

47:34

both have some skin in the

47:36

game here. So eventually they were

47:38

cool with that. But I didn't

47:40

want it, I didn't want the

47:42

whole thing to go on for

47:44

several weeks and be a drag.

47:46

So the fact that I was

47:48

able to sell it quickly was

47:50

fantastic even though maybe I could

47:52

have gotten a little bit more.

47:54

The incremental gain of selling it

47:56

for $500 more dollars would not

47:58

be worth all the messages that

48:00

you get because I probably had.

48:02

at least 20 different individuals, ping

48:05

me and ask some question about

48:07

it. Some of them were BS.

48:09

I would say probably 25% of

48:11

them were legit. So probably, you

48:13

know, five real people. The others,

48:15

they could have been real, but

48:17

I have a hunch that they

48:19

were some sort of bought or

48:21

some sort of scam system that

48:23

they were running. You know, if

48:25

you, if you're on Facebook marketplace

48:27

and you like see that someone

48:29

just joined Facebook two years ago

48:31

and they have three friends, probably

48:33

not legit. So that's a, that's

48:35

an easy way to filter them

48:37

out. And overall, it was a

48:39

great experience. And as I, I

48:41

wrap it up here. I'll mention.

48:43

that I think that the Facebook,

48:45

even though I ended up selling

48:47

it via Craigslist, the Facebook marketplace,

48:49

which I have not done much

48:51

transacting in at all, I know,

48:53

friends that are in there all

48:55

the time, basically, because you can

48:57

see their profile and see like

49:00

some of their... transaction history a

49:02

little bit, it does bring a

49:04

little bit more confidence when you're

49:06

actually like dealing with someone or

49:08

you can immediately tell that they're

49:10

not a real person and they

49:12

don't have a real profile and

49:14

all that kind of stuff. So

49:16

I wish there was a better

49:18

way for us to like filter

49:20

out on those where I mean,

49:22

maybe it is a little tough

49:24

for Facebook. I'm not really sure,

49:26

but I mean, I imagine they

49:28

don't want people getting scanned or

49:30

having basically fake profiles like bugging

49:32

people when they're trying to sell

49:34

stuff. So the only cost that

49:36

I incurred was to list a

49:38

vehicle on Craigslist cost five bucks.

49:40

So I paid five bucks and

49:42

that was like the only thing.

49:44

You can I think boost your

49:46

marketplace listings on Facebook, but I

49:48

was like, you know what, I'm

49:50

just gonna let it fly the

49:52

way it is. So overall. The

49:55

other thing is I talked to

49:57

someone who had a bad experience.

49:59

to Car Max where they will

50:01

buy your car. And here's the

50:03

thing, right? So like the Kelly

50:05

Blue Book offer, like they'll make

50:07

you offer right away, like that

50:09

stuff, and then going to Car

50:11

Max, they painted as like being

50:13

a lot easier than dealing with

50:15

actually selling your vehicle yourself. And

50:17

the thing is, like, they have

50:19

a framework, right? Like, they have

50:21

the paperwork, they guide you through

50:23

it, if you have a question,

50:25

they'll answer it. If you're something

50:27

at yourself, like, I had to

50:29

fucking read the documentation on the

50:31

Colorado website. I had to, like,

50:33

read, make sure I had my

50:35

title, I had to read the

50:37

title. I had to drive the

50:39

whole situation, and there's, like, tons

50:41

of uncertainty. I don't know what's

50:43

going to happen. I don't know

50:45

what's going to happen. I don't

50:47

know who I'm going to deal

50:49

with. I don't know if they're

50:52

going to try to scam me

50:54

or whatever. And you have to

50:56

be very cautious. But the thing

50:58

is, I think I put as

51:00

much time and effort into it

51:02

as I would have if I

51:04

went to Carmax and sold it

51:06

and only got, I'm just making

51:08

it up, but $2,000. I spent

51:10

the same amount of time because

51:12

I have heard of people that

51:14

drive up to the Carmax. They'll

51:16

have them kick the tires and

51:18

do all the check. Checklist stuff

51:20

and then they drive back home

51:22

so that's like a couple few

51:24

hours right there and then they

51:26

have to go back up they

51:28

do all the paperwork and I'm

51:30

hoping it's not as much paperwork

51:32

is when you buy a car

51:34

even when you buy a car

51:36

in cash like they do a

51:38

credit check which is completely stupid

51:40

like why like I'm giving you

51:42

the cash. You don't need to

51:44

run my credit. I'm not borrowing

51:47

any money. I don't want to

51:49

hear any of your song and

51:51

dance or anything like that. But

51:53

you still have to do all

51:55

that. My point being, I assume

51:57

that going up to car max

51:59

is still like still takes a

52:01

while because you have to do

52:03

some paperwork and some other crap.

52:05

Maybe it's easier than buying a

52:07

car. quickly and I got so

52:09

much more money dramatically more money

52:11

than whatever a dealer would offer

52:13

me I can't believe I even

52:15

considered it I mean I guess

52:17

I had to check and other

52:19

people were like well you could

52:21

take it up to Carmax but

52:23

now I see that's just a

52:25

dumb dumb idea so I would

52:27

say unless you have like a

52:29

super sawn after car probably not

52:31

the best choice and I mean

52:33

there were uncertain things I had

52:35

to deal with but It was

52:37

interesting doing something new and because

52:39

it worked out I do feel

52:42

good about it. So I've been

52:44

doing a lot of stuff on

52:46

Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace and I

52:48

think viable option if you're into

52:50

flipping stuff and like looking for

52:52

good deals and all that kind

52:54

of thing. Like I said, I'm

52:56

going to check out a guitar

52:58

tomorrow if I end up getting

53:00

it or not. I'll probably tell

53:02

you about it pretty soon. So

53:04

I think that's that. I will

53:06

give one little plug for audio

53:08

books, right? Audio books. I listen

53:10

to a lot of podcast. And

53:12

I think, I don't know, there

53:14

was like a little stretch where

53:16

I was like, you know what?

53:18

None of these headlines are catching

53:20

my eyes. So, you know what,

53:22

I'm not going to listen to

53:24

a podcast. And I went back

53:26

over to audible. The power of

53:28

like a, of a written book

53:30

or an actual. book that has

53:32

been edited, it's like higher quality.

53:34

It's so much higher quality than

53:36

a podcast. Because a lot of

53:39

times, podcasters, like myself, we just

53:41

talk. I mean, this whole thing,

53:43

I was just telling you a

53:45

story today, a few stories of

53:47

what I've been up to. And

53:49

the preparation I did was this

53:51

posted note here. So it's not

53:53

edited, you know, it's pretty raw.

53:55

And I like listening to those.

53:57

But every now and then. I

53:59

think, you know what, I need

54:01

to check out some audio books.

54:03

So the one I listen to...

54:05

was by Duff MacKagan and it's

54:07

so easy. Is that what the

54:09

name of it? Let me just

54:11

double check. I literally just finished

54:13

it, but I was a huge

54:15

fan of Guns and Roses. Yeah,

54:17

it's so easy. Duff MacKagan. He's

54:19

the basis for Guns and Roses

54:21

and Velvet Revolver and turns out

54:23

Duff's really awesome. Crazy story. Super

54:25

interesting. I think I finished it

54:27

in like two days, maybe three,

54:29

but such an awesome story. And

54:31

it was cool, like hearing the

54:34

background. Now I'm like, oh, you

54:36

know what, I need to get

54:38

slashes. I think he has a

54:40

book too. But those guys are

54:42

crazy. I don't know how they

54:44

even survive. So a little plug

54:46

for audio books. I did, you

54:48

know what, I have an audible

54:50

subscription. I encourage y'all to check

54:52

it out. I think if you

54:54

follow the link in the description,

54:56

there's a deal. when I looked

54:58

at it a few minutes ago,

55:00

it appeared to be like 99

55:02

cents per month for the first

55:04

three months, but depending on when

55:06

you listen to this, when you

55:08

check out the deal. But anyway,

55:10

usually if you haven't joined Audible

55:12

in the last few years, if

55:14

you join, you get some kind

55:16

of killer promo, and you get

55:18

a few credits, depending on what

55:20

deal they're doing, but definitely check

55:22

it out, and if you like

55:24

rock and roll stories, then the

55:26

deaf MacKagan, it's so easy story

55:28

is a good one. Very smart

55:31

dude. Very smart dude. And you

55:33

know, I had a, it'll have

55:35

to be another topic for another

55:37

day, but the main, the main

55:39

idea was when, when Guns and

55:41

Roses, guns and roses were like

55:43

at their height and at the

55:45

very beginning, they're like in their

55:47

mid, they're like early to mid

55:49

20s. Like they are so young.

55:51

It's insane like what they were

55:53

doing and the success that they

55:55

had and I mean usually what

55:57

you end up understanding is like

55:59

those people were like obsessed with

56:01

being musicians or whatever their art

56:03

is when they were like eight

56:05

or ten years old and then

56:07

they like kept kept at it like

56:09

when they were young so by the time

56:11

they were 20 they had like

56:14

ten years experience so you see

56:16

this across the board with like

56:18

musicians or athletes or anyone else

56:20

like really qualified they're really successful

56:22

at a young age so anyway

56:24

it's another topic for another day

56:26

but I was like I spent

56:28

those years doing physics and

56:31

calculus. I'm like, was that a

56:33

total waste? I don't even use that

56:35

shit now. Like, my brain was ready

56:37

to absorb all this stuff. And I

56:39

was doing, you know, nerdy, academic

56:42

things. I mean, I guess maybe there's

56:44

some value. Actually, if you have

56:46

any suggestions on what the value

56:48

might have been, because I'm like.

56:50

I'm not doing that stuff anymore,

56:53

but those guys are still playing

56:55

guitar and making music and all

56:57

that stuff. So, all right. I'm leaving you

56:59

with an open end, but if you

57:01

have any questions, thoughts, or comments on

57:03

selling or buying on Craigslist or Facebook

57:05

Marketplace. shoot me an email, feedback at

57:07

Doug dot show. If you're on the

57:09

YouTube side, you of course can leave

57:11

a comment there. And we'll catch on

57:14

the next episode. Oh yeah, follow the

57:16

link for the audible if you want

57:18

to check it out. Check out some

57:20

audio books. There's some good audio books

57:22

out there and you can get a

57:24

deal if you follow my link, which

57:26

is an affiliate link. All right, catch

57:28

y'all next time.