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Broadcasting live from the Azorias Chancery

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here on the Plain of Ravnica.

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This is tap tap concede. Hello

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everybody. Ben Ulmer here in the

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host seat in a very strange

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change of pace. And joining me

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this week, we've got a Nelson.

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Hey, I'm here in a sort

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of usual pace. And a Kathleen.

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I'm so normally here that there

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was already a cushion on the

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back of my chair. It was

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ready for you. Yeah, we knew the

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spot. And welcome everyone to a very

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interesting episode of tap tap concede. We're

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trying out something fun and different here

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Where we're taking on a bunch of

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user suggestions and questions where if you've

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watched any am I the a-hole kind

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of style content or if you're familiar

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with read it there's a lot of

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questions where people will post something in

1:06

the in the realm of like I

1:08

did this thing and some people thought

1:10

it was bad am I the bad

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person in this scenario and we thought

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that would be fun to do in

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a magic the gathering sense because I

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think there's a lot of questions that

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people sometimes you'll do something and then

1:23

people it'll rub someone the wrong way

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and you're like did I do bad? There's

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literally like Twitter threads or I guess they're

1:29

Blue Sky threads now that go around and

1:31

be like hey when is it okay to

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cast a wrath when you're in commander like

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you know after the first hour or we know

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on these cards? I opened this cyclonic rift in

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a pack I figured that meant I should put

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it in my deck. It's a good card yeah

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yeah yeah so yeah we've got a lot of

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people who've written in and had pose these

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scenarios to us and we're gonna kind

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of judge I guess using our using

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our mighty hammer. I wanted to mention

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though that while we did come up

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with this idea in Matt the gathering

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content meeting that we had. This concept

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exists in the magic space. So I

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want to give a shout out to

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Mike from Am I the Bullcast, which

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is a great name. Yeah, very good

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name. Who is doing this as well.

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So go, go, go give that a

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check out and. Mike actually wrote in

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for this and we actually have we

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have a situation from Mike for this

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I'm really excited to do it. But

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yeah if you really like this you

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other hours of the same content already.

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And we've decided to our name for

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it is we have called it Am

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I the Sinkle? I love that. Yeah

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which came up with that name. Cameron

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did come up with it. Yeah very

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all right well shall we shall we

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dive in and find out some some

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sink holy situation we go let's weigh

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in all right so a lot of

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these come from our either our discord

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or from the post that James made

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on blue sky so we're not going

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to use any like us names or

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anything like that I think that They

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can remain anonymous. So this first one

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comes from our Discord. All right, here

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we go. So I introduced my brother

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to both D&D and Magic, and now

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he plays way more of both than

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I even get the chance to. But

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I very nearly hept up getting him

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into Magic. One of the earliest games

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we played together was a Commander 1V1.

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That's the teaching one. Through a combination

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of magic being magic and as an

4:32

experience with the game, I built a

4:34

pretty commanding board state. The decks were

4:36

pretty even. I'm no master brewer, but

4:38

sometimes one deck works and the other

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doesn't. And despite the board being pretty

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one-sided, I deliberately didn't win the game.

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because I thought I should give my

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brother a chance to play the game.

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Instead, he got super frustrated and I

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was even more frustrated afterwards when I

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mentioned, and was more frustrated afterwards when

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I mentioned that I had a combo

4:58

available that would have locked him out

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of the game. For the magic players

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out there, they actually put it in,

5:04

which is, it's ghost chieftain spirit kindred

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and the combo loop yeah is Jose

5:08

the morning star to deny them any

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untapped yeah they never minutes down for

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a shout out to your say the

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morning star that they could have deployed

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my intentions were to show him a

5:19

good time but I failed spectacularly does

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that make me the sinkhole I'm gonna

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weigh in immediately okay yeah you are

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a mild sinkhole for playing this deck

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as a training tool even if they

5:30

are well balanced I guess you have

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to teach someone commander at some time.

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But I don't think, I don't think

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infinite combos are good for a learning

5:39

thing. I think that's more like, hey,

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I've got two decks with lots of

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creatures in mass pump, right? You know?

5:45

Yeah, no, I think I'm with you

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there in the sense that like. So

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I taught my partner how to play

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through commander and I regret it immensely

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Because I genuinely think that like I

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mean we don't see them as many

5:58

as much anymore. Does what's even make?

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intro packs. So nowadays we have jumpstart

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which seems like the thing that most

6:04

people have some access to or is

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around the most to be like hey

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new player just just grab two of

6:11

these and we'll jam like 10 games.

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Foundations has a bunch of jumpstart and

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a bunch of like introductory player stuff

6:17

like have like cats and a vampire

6:20

deck. There's tons of stuff in foundations

6:22

for new players. I will note that

6:24

actually I think Spiderman. When Spider-Man comes

6:26

out later this year, they are going

6:28

to be bringing back the 30-card intro

6:30

decks that is what hooked us all

6:32

back into the state. Very sick. Years

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ago? All right. I was surprised if

6:37

those convention packs too have been floating

6:39

around like regularly, like I don't know

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for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised.

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Yeah, I went to unplugged, and there

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was a... like a like a full

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like booth with like couches and stuff

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and they had like a video playing

6:52

that you could learn how to play

6:54

magic and it was pretty full. Like

6:56

people were still kind of, yeah, checking

6:58

out in that space. Yeah, like I

7:01

don't know if Watsy has or regularly

7:03

been sending a booth to things like

7:05

the the game DevCon or something like

7:07

that, but any of these like bigger

7:09

cons that are kind of in the

7:11

gaming sphere at all, then if like

7:14

there's a magic presence at all, typically

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that team has access to like, even

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if they're old, they still are like

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putting out these intrepack decks. Yeah. I

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actually don't want to blame you for

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using Commanderender decks for using Commander decks

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to teach your brother how to teach

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your brother how to play. think sure

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it's obviously easiest if you have jumpstart

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or intro packs or curated X you

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made of like just the basics and

7:37

mostly vanilla creatures or land or whatever

7:39

but if all you had was these

7:42

two commander decks and like you're on

7:44

a trip you're on a family vacation

7:46

or something or you're like you know

7:48

trapped skiing and it's raining or something

7:50

and you have you just have time

7:52

and you have whatever resources you have

7:55

you want to teach your friend or

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your brother how to play magic I

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can't blame you for that but The

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question of whether to let someone win

8:03

their first couple games, I think that

8:05

was the first sort of like, am

8:07

I the sinkhole for doing that? And

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I think that's a really interesting and

8:12

nuanced question. I don't think you're necessarily

8:14

the sinkhole for letting your friend or

8:16

your partner or your brother win their

8:18

first. game or one of their first

8:20

few games of magic because I think

8:23

getting to win a game of magic

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is an important sort of like milestone

8:27

that you really want them to have

8:29

and some people I think will just

8:31

you gotta you gotta it's nuanced right

8:33

you've got to know the person a

8:36

little better or make a guess about

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it. If you know that they're the

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kind of person that might not ever

8:42

play again if they don't win their

8:44

first game, then sure, yeah. And I

8:46

think those people are out there, right?

8:48

So it's like, now you're in a

8:51

choice of evils, right? Because obviously it's

8:53

not ideal to let someone win, to

8:55

pretend that you didn't have it, you

8:57

know, so that they can win the

8:59

game. But it's like, you know, greater

9:01

good scenario. It's like a wrath of

9:04

con situation. That's not it. Search your

9:06

spot. Search your spot situation. My concern

9:08

is not that they let the person

9:10

win because honestly when you are teaching

9:12

someone how to play magic, how to

9:14

play some magic and stuff like that,

9:17

and as the person who's good at

9:19

playing magic, you have to play suboptimally

9:21

and slowly to give the other person

9:23

a chance to figure out what's going

9:25

on. Especially if you do have a

9:27

more powerful deck that does have this

9:29

kind of like, like, carador, thing going

9:32

on. That's not beginner magic, right? So

9:34

you're going to like make bad choices

9:36

because you want them to see more

9:38

and take more game interactions because your

9:40

point is not to win. Your point

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is to teach and you often teach

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by example. So, however, telling the person

9:47

afterwards that you had it, that moves

9:49

you firmly into single things. You have

9:51

to lie. You have to lie your

9:53

butt off. I agree. I agree. needed

9:55

to combo off in your game of

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magic where you're teaching your brother how

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to play so badly that like then

10:02

when you didn't do it you had

10:04

to tell them that you could have

10:06

done it that sinkhole territory you had

10:08

to I still had all these like

10:11

I honestly don't even think you're the

10:13

sinkhole if you would just yose locked

10:15

them and been like okay so now

10:17

in the game what's happening is I

10:19

can keep using yose every single turn

10:21

and keep you from untapping but we

10:23

can play it out your stuff's all

10:26

tapped you don't get an untapped step

10:28

step step step step step go Okay,

10:30

you can't do anything. Okay, my turn

10:32

all the time. You know what I

10:34

mean? That's fine. You can still play

10:36

that out. And like, that's part of

10:39

magic. That's a real part of magic.

10:41

So I think even showing them that

10:43

in their first game, if you, unless

10:45

you think like, they won't be able

10:47

to handle this, like, and you should

10:49

just consider whatever, or you should like

10:52

try to engineer so they win, that's

10:54

fine. But there's never a right time

10:56

to be like. Well, so you know,

10:58

not only did I beat you, I

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could have beat you so much worse.

11:02

Right, like they won the game, but

11:04

they didn't combo off, but then they

11:07

told them that they had the problem.

11:09

So, it's like, I don't fault you

11:11

for winning the game. And I also

11:13

don't fault you for not calling me.

11:15

Oh, no, wait. Sorry. Oh, sorry. Let

11:17

me clear. Okay. The board was pretty

11:20

one-sided. I deliberately didn't win the game.

11:22

Okay. Because I thought my brother, I

11:24

should give my brother a chance to

11:26

win the game. Okay. So either way,

11:28

I actually think either way, choosing to

11:30

win or lose your first game against

11:33

someone, it's fine. in a perfect world

11:35

I think everybody just plays the game

11:37

normally because that gives people the most

11:39

chance to like know what what it

11:41

is to play magic and you don't

11:43

have to steal someone's first win from

11:45

them right yeah because some the the

11:48

fair counter argument is like well I

11:50

want if I win for it to

11:52

be real right and I want to

11:54

really feel like I won the game,

11:56

but I don't want to be panned

11:58

too. I don't want to be lied

12:01

to and panned to. I'm the kind

12:03

of person that, like, if I lose

12:05

in a game that I'm learning and

12:07

whatnot, I go, okay, I see where

12:09

I messed up, and now I'm like,

12:11

I have a fire in my belly

12:14

to like, to learn more and beat

12:16

them. You don't want to be, you

12:18

don't want a fake win, to pump

12:20

your ego. And then I also think

12:22

it's fine to combo or not. You're

12:24

still not the sinkhole if you went

12:27

for the combo or if you didn't

12:29

go for the combo. It's just the

12:31

still had all these. Yeah. It's just

12:33

the still had all these that's a

12:35

sinkhole move. So if I could weigh

12:37

in, if you were doing anything that

12:39

my character would do on Friday nights,

12:42

you are the sinkhole. because like my

12:44

character is an absolute a little bit

12:46

of a magic DJM I am a

12:48

jerk yeah sound is speeding lights lights

12:50

on yeah have you don't your sinkhole

12:52

personality yeah okay great your costume looks

12:55

good let's go yeah yeah yeah so

12:57

I think I think I think I

12:59

would I would I agree there it's

13:01

like I would I would agree there

13:03

it's like I think I think you're

13:05

in the clear and I and I

13:08

would I will say that with how

13:10

commander is nowadays it's probably it is

13:12

a more accessible way to I think

13:14

invest someone in magic but I think

13:16

that like yeah jumpstart and like initial

13:18

intro pack stuff is really good just

13:20

just to learn the basic mechanics and

13:23

stuff or just download arena on your

13:25

cell phone sure have them have them

13:27

do sparky's quest 2025 and you know

13:29

and then you can move into commander

13:31

if you were like trapped in the

13:33

cabin you don't have internet or whatever

13:36

you can even take the commander deck

13:38

and just like cut it down to

13:40

60 cards where you're like this is

13:42

the simplest version like I like that

13:44

or 50 or whatever it is just

13:46

like take out take out that infinite

13:49

combo take out any cards that are

13:51

just like all words yeah and then

13:53

just like try to make a deck

13:55

that's like lands and some stuff and

13:57

that you know what that is two

13:59

kitchen table magic decks to learn magic.

14:01

Yeah, I mean that that's we we

14:04

play a lot of T's different Tc

14:06

G's and stuff like that here and

14:08

a lot of it is either we

14:10

play with the starter decks or it's

14:12

a curated sort of experience and I

14:14

think you kind of have to do

14:17

that with that's what I feel like

14:19

one of the hardest things about Tc

14:21

G's nowadays is like you got to

14:23

curate the new player experience and find

14:25

ways to on board onto it right

14:27

and stuff so yeah well there you

14:30

go all right done and dusted I

14:32

think we're I'm feeling good with that

14:34

one. Oh yeah, we all agree. Great.

14:36

Well, why don't we, why don't we,

14:38

why don't we scoot on to Mike's,

14:40

Mike, wrote in and, and did he

14:42

say, hey I had this great idea

14:45

for a podcast and then Lodinger to

14:47

here on Ripped Me On. Hey guys,

14:49

big fan, really disappointed. Mike, we're keeping

14:51

everyone else anonymous except for you. Yeah,

14:53

I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right,

14:55

so, from the discordord. One of my

14:58

own stories here is at my old

15:00

LGS in another city. The regular thing

15:02

happens where, oh they really paints a

15:04

scene, okay? I feel, I feel immersed

15:06

in this. The regular thing happens where

15:08

you see folks, oh God, I turn

15:11

this into edit mode, no we're good,

15:13

where you see folks at the LGS,

15:15

someone's got a table and a couple

15:17

of seats open, so my friends and

15:19

I asked to join. Eventually, we found

15:21

a fourth and we got all of

15:24

our stuff out and ready. The original

15:26

guy, who he sat down with, at

15:28

the table, breaks out his deckbox and

15:30

pulls his deck out. Sleeves are Chandra

15:32

and Lilliana making out in front of

15:34

a fireplace. Uh-huh. Look, you do you,

15:36

bud, but kids shop at this place

15:39

and you don't need to be a

15:41

capital, you don't need to be capital

15:43

H warned up in all aspects of

15:45

your life. That said, I let it

15:47

slide, the cards will be face up

15:49

anyway. This guy then unrolls his play

15:52

mat and it makes me uncomfortable. It's

15:54

an anime representation of an underage schoolgirl.

15:56

I don't want to say too much

15:58

except while there are no acts depicted.

16:00

This is definitely inappropriate. I spoke up

16:02

and offered a play mat of mine.

16:05

to lend the player, expressing that I

16:07

would feel more comfortable not seeing the

16:09

play mat he brought much longer. It

16:11

began to fill me with anger. I

16:13

was a little heated and firmly asked

16:15

him again to not use that play

16:17

mat. When he refused, I offered an

16:20

ultimatum. Either he plays another play mat

16:22

or I moved to the play mat

16:24

or I moved to another table and

16:26

found a fourth pretty easily. I told

16:28

the staff about the play mat and

16:30

the employee said they'd have to wait

16:33

for their manager to make a decision.

16:35

Another group arrived and similarly someone expressed

16:37

discomfort with the playmate and excused himself

16:39

while the other two reluctantly moved forward

16:41

with the game for a three pod.

16:43

Management then asked him not to use

16:46

the play mat in the store, but

16:48

the thing is, I want to say

16:50

everyone can express themselves around magic and

16:52

that's fair, but there are some lines

16:54

I wouldn't cross for some, but there

16:56

are some lines crossing I find intolerable.

16:58

Am I the sinkhole? Absolutely not. Yeah.

17:01

This is in sinkhole territory. No, this

17:03

is, I mean, like, I think you

17:05

I think you said it right in

17:07

your letter, Mike. You don't have to

17:09

be capital age horned up in every

17:11

aspect of your life, especially not when

17:14

you're at an LGS. And kids could

17:16

come in or nobody in this seems

17:18

like they were underage, but literally two

17:20

separate people. rise off that play mat

17:22

and pulls it out to make people

17:24

uncomfortable because they are 100% horned up

17:27

and get off on that stuff. Kick

17:29

them under the table. Yeah. I mean,

17:31

kick them under the table. I mean,

17:33

there's a difference. There's a difference between

17:35

being like. Judge!

17:37

There's a difference between being sex positive

17:39

and like, sexed up all the time,

17:42

you know? Sex uncomfortable. Yeah, I don't

17:44

know. You can't really be, I mean,

17:46

you can say one thing about the

17:49

Chandra and Liliana making out. Also Chandra

17:51

and Liliana? That's literally not even the

17:53

pairing. That's true, yeah. It'd be, you'd

17:55

feel a little. different if it was

17:58

Nysa and Chandra but still. Yeah Nysa

18:00

and Chandra I've been like oh tasteful.

18:02

I mean if someone had like the

18:05

sleeves of Nysa and Chandra making out

18:07

and it's that classic pose of Betty

18:09

and Veronica making out like that that

18:11

scene but done up in as Nysa

18:14

and Toronto I don't have a hard

18:16

time saying anything. Oh tasteful. But if

18:18

the mat you look at the mat

18:21

and you're like I don't know if

18:23

that person's an adult like that's a

18:25

pretty hard line for most people as

18:27

it. you know, O.P. is telling the

18:30

story, it's like, they didn't, you know,

18:32

they weren't really rude to this person.

18:34

They were just like, look, it makes

18:37

me uncomfortable. I don't want to be

18:39

at the table myself if you insist

18:41

on playing on that mat. It's a

18:43

little bit of an extrapolation of who

18:46

the person is, too. You know, it's

18:48

like, if I see somebody who is

18:50

going to like, Probably miss some social

18:53

cues within this like this game of

18:55

commander and stuff and I don't know

18:57

if I'm gonna be able to vibe

18:59

with that Yeah, why am I I'm

19:02

just gonna keep having to work to

19:04

kind of forgive you at higher and

19:06

higher levels Yeah, he said like the

19:09

sleeves may be a little bit uncomfortable

19:11

But then the cars we face up

19:13

anyway, but you don't know that he

19:15

doesn't have all the altars like even

19:18

worse scenarios in the car. It has

19:20

such high potential to become the like

19:22

going home for Thanksgiving with your ultra

19:25

conservative the commander game where they're gonna

19:27

like drop something and then you're just

19:29

gonna be like ha-ha yeah I will

19:31

also point out you're playing commander with

19:34

this person they're already trying to like

19:36

there is zero chance that they have

19:38

pulled out this play map before and

19:41

it has not pissed people off totally

19:43

because the fact that two people got

19:45

pissed off in this time span of

19:47

this anecdote, right? And the fact that

19:50

they're like, no, I'm going to, and

19:52

they were like putting their foot down.

19:54

So other people have said this to

19:57

them before. So they are obstinate and

19:59

defiant and are looking to make other

20:01

people uncomfortable. They're playing stack. Yeah, I

20:03

would have loved to know what deck

20:06

they were playing too. That's relevant information

20:08

to the question. It's the you say

20:10

lock guy? Yeah. It's not. It's not.

20:13

But the point being this person this

20:15

person is a jerk And I will

20:17

say Mike said that he got a

20:19

bit heated in his story I think

20:22

I would too obviously because we had

20:24

Nelson being what the hell is wrong

20:26

with you Kathleen earlier Right, but like

20:29

I just think that we are as

20:31

a society too polite to people who

20:33

are obviously up to malfeasance Totally this

20:35

person just wanted to go and rile

20:38

people up and make people uncomfortable and

20:40

then hopefully win a game of commander

20:42

on angles Yeah Yeah, that's fair. Yeah,

20:45

screw that guy. Everybody walks into the

20:47

LGS thinking I'm gonna have fun play

20:49

magic And it's gonna be a relaxing

20:51

chill enjoyable day for me And so

20:54

it's like that part of your brain

20:56

I think is on the opposite corner

20:58

from the part that's like on the

21:01

opposite corner from the part that's like

21:03

wait. Am I being treated fairly? I

21:05

need to stand up for myself and

21:07

those around me You know what I

21:10

mean like I need to make sure

21:12

that I'm not just being trampled people

21:14

off Yeah, like I mean everybody, honestly

21:17

I think it's super cool because I

21:19

don't get to go to the LGS

21:21

as much as I would like to,

21:23

right? And the idea that someone, that

21:26

a group of people walk in, they

21:28

see someone looking for a game and

21:30

you're just able to sit down and

21:32

stuff like that, like we should really

21:35

be endorsing that. And if you're, it's

21:37

just have to not be a weirdo.

21:39

Not the, you're in the clear there.

21:42

Okay, we got a couple short ones

21:44

here, so Graham went through this and

21:46

did a little bit of curation. And

21:49

I read this one and I think

21:51

it's actually just very funny. So I'd

21:53

love to get everyone's take here. So

21:55

this comes from our discord. So. We're

21:57

playing Commander. It seems like a lot

21:59

of these are gonna be Commander. Oh

22:01

yeah, that makes sense. Almost certainly. I'm

22:03

playing a list someone else put together

22:06

riffing on Graham's Bear Force One, a

22:08

eulodec, on like turn two or three,

22:10

I play collective voyage. If you're not

22:12

familiar, collective voyage is a one mana

22:14

sorcery from the everybody gets to put

22:16

mana into it kind of cycle. I

22:18

think it's called like join forces or

22:20

something. So yeah, it's one mana sorcery,

22:23

join forces. Starting with you, each player

22:25

may put any amount of mana into

22:27

this and then basically every player gets

22:29

to go grab X basics. I love

22:31

this card. Really neat card. I put

22:33

it in a lot of decks. It's

22:35

fun for everybody. Yeah, I think so.

22:38

Well, and here we go. I and

22:40

another player dump in enough manner such

22:42

that X ends up being five basic

22:44

lands. So, Lands for everybody. Yeah. So

22:46

both of us go and grab five

22:48

basic lands. Another person grabs around three.

22:50

And the last person fails to find.

22:52

Okay, well, no basics in your deck.

22:55

Not running any basics in their deck.

22:57

Path exile, these are cards. Yeah, yeah.

22:59

The person then said very quickly after

23:01

that they conceded before getting to do

23:03

much of anything. Is this just a

23:05

consequence of deck building or was I

23:07

the sinkhole here? I did feel bad

23:09

about the player not just not getting

23:12

to play at all. Not the same

23:14

hole. Not the same hole. You were

23:16

playing Magic. They built a deck with

23:18

no basics. Yeah, and I know the,

23:20

we have friends who don't put basics

23:22

in their commander decks. Tellsons sometimes. You

23:24

know, some people don't put basics in.

23:27

I always have like 20 basics in

23:29

my commander decks. But the point being,

23:31

what's he made this card for a

23:33

reason? Your deck cares about everybody getting

23:35

land. And realistically, and I would say

23:37

90% of games. someone's gonna get at

23:39

least two or three basics off this.

23:41

Yeah. I don't think you need to

23:44

feel bad. There are so many cards

23:46

that the drawback is like, like path.

23:48

you know you get to you get

23:50

to just kill something and then someone

23:52

goes they get to go grab a

23:54

basic but it's like between that there's

23:56

all like the ghost quarter yeah style

23:58

effects there's there's this card I like

24:01

running veteran Explorer there's like in my

24:03

different ghost quarters you can play yeah

24:05

exactly demolition feel like all these ones

24:07

right you you you gotta put basics

24:09

in your yeah at least one even

24:11

if you're playing five color Sure. One

24:13

of each. That's all you need. Yeah.

24:15

I would agree. Or initiative. Yeah? Initiative

24:18

exists in things, right? Like so many

24:20

things tell you to go grab basis.

24:22

You know, the list goes on. You

24:24

know that. we could keep going with

24:26

how many reasons there are to play

24:28

basics. The thing is taintipack exists too

24:30

and sometimes there's a good reason not

24:33

to put any basic lands in your

24:35

own deck from a deck building perspective.

24:37

But you know for sure it was

24:39

a choice. It was their choice and

24:41

so the player who didn't have any

24:43

basics is grumpy and just wants to

24:45

go next. I would say though that

24:47

like even if you're in that situation,

24:50

say like everybody else gets five basic

24:52

lands out of their deck and you

24:54

get none. So you're like... in the

24:56

Stone Ages and they're already casting bombs.

24:58

The reality of Commander is that like,

25:00

you're not out of that game until

25:02

you're out of that game. Like you

25:04

might just be like, well, okay, I'll

25:07

play my second land and cast a

25:09

Zauria Signet, go, and then they're like,

25:11

cool, cultivator, Colossus, or whatever, you know?

25:13

Like, that can happen, and like... you're

25:15

still a player in that game because

25:17

it's just how commander is like as

25:19

long as you can do anything then

25:22

you threaten to kind of like imbalance

25:24

someone else's move or you could surprise

25:26

someone or you could just make one

25:28

person's life a little harder and all

25:30

those things matter, like they're crucial to

25:32

winning games matter. Yeah, commander's also a

25:34

multiplayer format and that does have this

25:36

sort of self-correcting politics aspect, especially when

25:39

you're playing with people you don't know.

25:41

Yeah. Because I'm assuming that you didn't

25:43

know that this person existed or what

25:45

their deck list is when you made

25:47

your deck, because that's ridiculous to assume,

25:49

you know. and you didn't know this

25:51

person need to know what they'd be

25:53

like and so you know you're probably

25:56

not going to play commander and say

25:58

oh wow every this this player is

26:00

super behind compared to everybody else i'm

26:02

gonna pick on them probably not if

26:04

you don't know this person you'll probably

26:06

leave them alone and attack the people

26:08

with threats there's a very good chance

26:10

that person wins the game actually I've

26:13

been doing this a lot and I

26:15

think we started to actually do it

26:17

on camera too where if it's like

26:19

home or into the bush or whatever.

26:21

That's a game winning strategy too. For

26:23

sure. You're gonna have an easy time

26:25

pulling off because your next several turns

26:28

are gonna be super short. And you're

26:30

gonna have an easy time pulling off

26:32

because your next several turns are gonna

26:34

be super short. And you're gonna barely

26:36

have anything else. We also play in

26:38

a way to where I've been doing

26:40

this. Go grab. Well, you draw a

26:42

land. We do say go grab a

26:45

land. Yeah, we do say go grab

26:47

a basic which they could not do.

26:49

So I don't know what you do

26:51

in the scenario. Put a land. Go

26:53

grab a dual land. Yeah, whatever. I

26:55

mean, that's important to remember that you

26:57

that this is not. you know super

26:59

competitive it's commander there's no stakes it's

27:02

just for fun and if somebody's not

27:04

having fun you can change the game

27:06

but i think that they should put

27:08

some at least a couple basics in

27:10

their deck the other thing too i

27:12

want to highlight on even if that

27:14

doesn't happen say they don't win the

27:17

game so they don't cast a spell

27:19

that matters three turns later say all

27:21

that would happen to them is that

27:23

they like miss their next land drop

27:25

they have like literal zero resources they

27:27

watch the rest of the rest of

27:29

the game and then lose that can

27:31

still be kind of fun for the

27:34

player that's losing because that moment happened

27:36

where the collective voyage for five dropped

27:38

kind of early and you're like, lull,

27:40

I didn't put any basics in my

27:42

deck. You know what I mean? Like

27:44

if you just have the right attitude,

27:46

you can still enjoy. Yeah. Yeah. Like

27:48

that spell happens. Yeah. Like that spell

27:51

happens and you're like, I don't have

27:53

any basics. And then right behind you,

27:55

you hear anyone want to want to

27:57

be a fourth? That's different, but I

27:59

don't think you need to be grumpy

28:01

about it. I think that, yeah, I

28:03

think what we've actually determined is you,

28:05

you, the, the, the, the O.P. is

28:08

not a sinkhole at all. No, it's

28:10

not a sinkhole. And I don't even

28:12

think the person who conceded is necessarily

28:14

a sinkhole, but I do think it's

28:16

worth taking a little bit of a

28:18

shift on what's important to them in

28:20

commander, a lot, this was during. the

28:23

pandini times where we were playing commander

28:25

and Nelson cast yokel hops and I

28:27

was I know yes yeah yeah no

28:29

Nelson cast yokel hops in a commanding

28:31

game which is to destroy everything every

28:33

chairman's for planes walkers yes yeah but

28:35

I was playing a Sun Forger deck

28:37

and I grabbed a Boros charm which

28:40

gave all my stuff indestructible. So everyone

28:42

lost all their stuff and I lost

28:44

nothing and we were like let's shuffle

28:46

up for the next game and I

28:48

was like oh no we should keep

28:50

playing or whatever and you're like okay

28:52

and then it didn't occur to me

28:54

that everyone had lost their things and

28:57

that to me is just a hilarious

28:59

thing it's like you just go cool

29:01

that person won or whatever let's shuffle

29:03

up and go again and go again

29:05

yeah but yeah it's just a paradigm

29:07

shift a paradigm shift a paradigm shift

29:09

a little bit a little bit a

29:12

little bit I think in those situations.

29:14

You too. Oh I was going to

29:16

say I have a very healthy attitude.

29:18

Right and you can have that as

29:20

well you know and hopefully you know

29:22

the person who who scooped on turn

29:24

three will grow as a player I'm

29:26

sure they will and that this it

29:29

aspirational attitude about magic not even getting

29:31

better at winning it magic but if

29:33

you could just get better at enjoying

29:35

magic that's something you can improve about

29:37

yourself. Great right so not the sinkhole.

29:39

I got a really interesting one here.

29:41

and we're actually busting out a commander.

29:43

Okay. This one comes from our Blue

29:46

Sky, he responded on Blue Sky. All

29:48

right, playing round one of a pre-release,

29:50

and they're in game three. I've got

29:52

an agro deck, and my opponent has

29:54

a slower deck. We do not have

29:56

a. of time left in the round,

29:58

maybe about 5 to 10 minutes. After

30:01

sideboarding, my opponent then starts to shuffle.

30:03

Then mulligans, and shuffles a lot again.

30:05

After quite a bit of time, I

30:07

tell them that they have shuffled enough.

30:09

But they said they want to shuffle

30:11

more. I really feel like they were

30:13

intentionally stalling for time, knowing that their

30:15

slow deck could never be able to

30:18

win with the time left in the

30:20

round, but I could. Am I the

30:22

sinkhole for commenting on their amount of

30:24

shuffling? No. Not really, but I want

30:26

to tell people to call a judge.

30:28

So, stalling is cheating. If you think

30:30

your opponent knows how much time is

30:32

left in the round and is trying

30:35

to prevent themselves from losing by just

30:37

making their game actions take longer, that's

30:39

cheating. And if you suspect it, and

30:41

you will, sometimes, you should call a

30:43

judge. You shouldn't have to try to

30:45

parry Mason your way into trying to

30:47

win the round or get the person

30:49

like, you know, kicked out of the

30:52

tournament by yourself. That's the judge's the

30:54

judge's job. if the judge comes over

30:56

and says, no, they're fine, they were

30:58

doing a fine pace of play, then

31:00

you feel better as well. You'd be

31:02

like, okay, yeah, I was nervous, I

31:04

was like worried, I was in my

31:07

head about trying to win this match,

31:09

and I focused on that, and like,

31:11

I'll get over it. You know what

31:13

I mean? That's so bold of you

31:15

to assume that everyone's so as well

31:17

adjusted as you know and else. Well,

31:19

it would piss a lot of people

31:21

off if they were like my opponent's

31:24

slow playing and they came by and

31:26

the judge was like, hey, they're just

31:28

doing it normally. I think they'd be

31:30

like either angry or like a gassed

31:32

and very embarrassed. Really? Okay, fair enough.

31:34

That's possible. But then what? You know

31:36

what I mean? It's like, it's the

31:38

judge's ruling. Yeah, the judge, I mean,

31:41

no, I agree with you entirely. If

31:43

you think somebody's doing something, don't start

31:45

an argument and don't be like getting

31:47

annoyed at them. Just call a judge.

31:49

And realistically, I think if somebody is

31:51

like shuffling and mulligan and you're shuffling

31:53

multiple times, I think you can say

31:56

you've shuffled enough, let's get a judge

31:58

over here and start our game, please.

32:00

just win you still want to win

32:02

that match it's better for you if

32:04

the match ends it not being a

32:06

draw if it's a draw a whole

32:08

tournament watches your slow deck and thinks

32:10

you're a slow player and like they

32:13

gear up to play differently against you

32:15

and like their expectations about you as

32:17

a person are changed and all all

32:19

this stuff and like it's just you

32:21

still win three matter victory points if

32:23

you win the match and only one

32:25

if it goes to time like that

32:27

The game is already structured to try

32:30

to incentivize you to finish that match.

32:32

And if you are playing slower, just

32:34

trying to play so perfectly that you

32:36

never make a mistake, stop that. That's

32:38

not magic. Magic tournament is a time

32:40

constraint game. Think of it less like

32:42

chess and more like... I'm not struggling

32:44

to think of the perfect other example,

32:47

but like Starcraft or Mario, you know

32:49

what I mean? Like there's a certain

32:51

amount of time you have to make

32:53

these decisions, they're not all going to

32:55

be correct. Not even the pros. The

32:57

pros don't play perfectly when they're up

32:59

there either, and they have more time,

33:02

but they still have to make decisions

33:04

within a reasonable amount of time. Right.

33:06

So you're saying that it is like

33:08

better EV for you, even if you're

33:10

worried about losing, to try and play

33:12

it out to win. Rather than just

33:14

force to force to draw to go

33:16

to time absolutely you're not winning the

33:19

tournament if you go to time and

33:21

don't finish the match Any amount of

33:23

things can happen to like you shuffle

33:25

up real quick roll down. Maybe your

33:27

opponent has to mold to like four

33:29

or five like to four right? They

33:31

might miss their third land. Yeah, and

33:33

you just win like you don't need

33:36

to play a control you just have

33:38

a four four and turn four and

33:40

then you attack them with it limited

33:42

games can be done extremely so fast

33:44

Your opponent doesn't play anything till turn

33:46

four and you played on turn two

33:48

on the player or whatever and you

33:51

just beat them down with this grizzly

33:53

bear for like the first little bit

33:55

right like another thing that happens to

33:57

like this happened to me before where

33:59

it's it's round three or it's game

34:01

game three in the round there's not

34:03

a lot of time left, but you're

34:05

just so zoned in thinking about all

34:08

of the variables of the round and

34:10

your own deck and thinking about your

34:12

plan and thinking about what you're gonna

34:14

match up with what you're just thinking

34:16

about magic and you kind of just

34:18

zone out and you kind of just

34:20

zone out and you shuffle your deck

34:22

like 25 times and you don't know

34:25

it and your opponent says hey I

34:27

think you've shuffled enough they're probably right

34:29

I got a slow play warning at

34:31

a last chance PTQ and it was

34:33

the same time as my opponent we

34:35

both just were like mullining to six

34:37

after not wanting our sevens and we

34:39

both were just told like that's enough

34:42

shuffling you guys need to put it

34:44

we'll just like put our decks down

34:46

because we had like zoned right out

34:48

yeah I think in these situations it's

34:50

just it's like you can just completely

34:52

remove any onus of like being a

34:54

dink to just do what you said

34:57

like go Hmm, I think they've been

34:59

shuffling for a little long time. We've

35:01

only got five minutes. You could mention

35:03

it, I think, and be like, hey

35:05

man, uh, we've only got like five

35:07

minutes left. Can we get going? And

35:09

they're like, no, I would like to

35:11

shuffle more than I go. Okay, then

35:14

I'm gonna call a judge just to

35:16

watch the game and make sure. Like

35:18

you can just completely remove yourself from

35:20

any onus of like blame, I think.

35:22

And if you've never done this, it.

35:24

It's like. Nope, that's why we have

35:26

judges. The judge might not have time

35:28

to do that too, or they might

35:31

be able to watch it for like

35:33

30 seconds, then they have to leave,

35:35

take a call, or there might not

35:37

be enough judges for you to get

35:39

there, like every tournament's different, but asking

35:41

does not make you the single for

35:43

sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think, yeah, I

35:46

mean, I can definitely see that. I

35:48

don't think anyone's necessarily the single here.

35:50

You're definitely not a single for asking

35:52

them to stop shuffling as much as

35:54

much. Yeah, none sinkhole here, I don't

35:56

think. None sinkhole, just emotions because everybody

35:58

wants to win. Sure. Yeah. Emotions,

36:00

okay. Yeah. I don't experience them,

36:03

but I'm told that they're

36:05

powerful. Remember emotions. I'm

36:07

like one of the least

36:09

empathetic people in the universe. Yeah.

36:12

I don't, you have empathy for

36:14

the things that matter. Evil schemes.

36:16

Exactly. Yeah. All right, not the

36:19

sinkhole here. I have, this one's

36:21

really interesting because I think

36:23

it comes up with us a

36:25

lot because we're a bunch of friends.

36:28

This is a drafting. Okay. Related

36:30

one. Wow. Two non-commandments. Yeah. Yeah.

36:32

All right. So. Everybody. Everybody. I

36:34

want you to take your mind

36:37

back in time to when a

36:39

coria came. It was pandemic. It

36:42

was pandemic time. Yeah. Yeah. So

36:44

remember the vibes that you were

36:46

in during that. They drop companion

36:49

on this. Yeah. So for a

36:51

coria. This comes from Blue Sky,

36:54

thank you for reaching out there.

36:56

For Echoria, just before lockdown hit

36:58

or during relaxation, I don't

37:01

know, or like, oh when things were

37:03

relaxing, they said, I don't know, Australian

37:05

politics were weird during that time, so

37:07

now we know where they're from. We

37:10

got together as a friend group to

37:12

draft. We had one player who usually

37:14

gets all the blue cards because he's

37:16

a good blue player and the others

37:19

don't really prioritize picking them generally. I

37:21

jokingly said before the draft that I'd

37:23

be forcing blue. So everyone would have

37:25

a chance against him. Obviously not with

37:28

the intention of actually doing it as I'm

37:30

not a great blue player. I ended up

37:32

opening shark typhoon pack one. and another blue

37:34

limited bomb in pack three. So I actually

37:36

ended up in blue. Now he didn't complain

37:38

as I ended up having an actual deck

37:41

for it, but looking back, it kind of

37:43

feels like a dick move by me. So

37:45

am I the single? This one's so

37:47

interesting. This one's interesting because we do

37:50

this shit all the time on Friday

37:52

night favorite. Even blue too. Usually like

37:54

if I'm guilty of it. If I

37:56

sit down and Adam's not at the

37:58

table, like he hasn't been playing much.

38:00

magic lately I'm like okay should I

38:02

just plan to be the blue drafter

38:04

yeah because it's blue as well as

38:06

like the the color that tends to

38:08

be flooding the F&M or the Friday

38:10

night paper I well I yeah I

38:12

if I see Cameron I'm like I

38:14

don't know if I want to play

38:16

is it or demure you know I

38:18

don't know if I'm gonna even look

38:20

at those cards because I think I

38:22

think we have a Players do have

38:24

a tendency to gravitate towards their favorite

38:27

colors in draft. Not always though, I

38:29

think we're better than that. I try

38:31

to pick what's open. Me too. I

38:33

usually end up in white in draft,

38:35

which is not one of my favorite

38:37

colors, but I find it tends to

38:39

be open. And so maybe that's other

38:41

people prioritizing the red and the blue

38:43

and the green at the group, but

38:45

I don't even notice, because I'm just

38:47

like, I don't know, I've seen this

38:49

third uncommon go by, that's probably a

38:51

sign. Every other color has like a

38:53

limited game plan that's usually pretty easy

38:55

to figure out from opening the packs.

38:58

But blue can go a few different

39:00

ways. And so knowing what a good

39:02

blue deck in a limited format is

39:04

usually requires you have played that limited

39:06

format at least once. And a bunch

39:08

of the drafts we do were on

39:10

that set for the first time, right?

39:12

Yeah, I feel like I definitely so

39:14

I definitely have gotten better at pivoting

39:16

over as time has gone on, but

39:18

I tend to not. I if unless

39:20

if my rare in pack one pick

39:22

one which is different now because we

39:24

have the play boosters so it's actually

39:26

gives you a little bit more options

39:29

but if my rare is is super

39:31

playable balmy whatever I'm like if it's

39:33

like this red rare I'm forcing red

39:35

for that whole draft. That's just staying

39:37

on target, right? Because you're sending the

39:39

signal that I'm taking the red rarer

39:41

and then you start taking red other

39:43

good red cards to support the good

39:45

rarer that you've gotten. And before long

39:47

you are forcing red because you're picking

39:49

red because you're forcing red because you're

39:51

picking up the red cards and before

39:53

long you are forcing red because you're

39:55

picking. it means you're coming to the

39:57

table with the plan before you've seen

40:00

any of the cards. You're like, I'm

40:02

gonna be triple gate crash boros and

40:04

I'm gonna take mugging over domry raid

40:06

because I am not going to put

40:08

any forest in my deck yeah you

40:10

know and so it's like that's forcing

40:12

is where you're taking like the bad

40:14

cards from a color and just saying

40:16

like it doesn't matter I mean to

40:18

take the bad cards the good cards

40:20

will come later in pack three once

40:22

I've like let everyone know that their

40:24

attempts to draft this color are going

40:26

to dry up completely yeah so setting

40:28

that precedent I think before the precedent

40:31

I think before the draft and I

40:33

think so many of many of I

40:35

guess of it on Friday Night Paper

40:37

Fight where we're like, we'll jokingly be

40:39

like, I'm forcing Boros, right? And I

40:41

don't think any of us ever necessarily

40:43

takes them seriously, and I don't think

40:45

anybody maybe in this situation did. There

40:47

might be a small implant though, when

40:49

I've heard someone say that, that like,

40:51

if someone's like, I'm gonna be going

40:53

mono red, that I like, look less

40:55

at the red cards. I don't think

40:57

I super do, but... Maybe in this

40:59

instance, like that happens. Yeah. Can I

41:02

say, I think if you're in the

41:04

kind of friend group, where you can

41:06

jokingly announce, I'm forcing blue before the

41:08

draft starts, especially in result to, to

41:10

say that you're spiting someone else in

41:12

the friend group, right? Like, I feel

41:14

like that's got to be a good

41:16

friend. Yeah. You already understand and trust

41:18

one another because you have this level

41:20

of discourse that this won't piss people

41:22

off. Because if you don't piss people

41:24

off. Maybe you do open a big

41:26

blue bomb as you didn't pack one

41:28

to be like oh man Well, I'm

41:30

definitely forcing it now. I got a

41:33

sick card You don't have to say

41:35

what it is to preserve the sanctity

41:37

of your draft But you can be

41:39

like let people know you're serious because

41:41

it doesn't seems like this is the

41:43

most serious Stakes draft anyhow. It's more

41:45

like for friendship and good times so

41:47

you can be like I got that

41:49

crazy blue card or whatever because I

41:51

don't think anybody cares in this You

41:53

know much I don't think that like

41:55

there needs to be a rule zero

41:57

conversation going into every format that you

41:59

ever play. But there are different vibes

42:01

for draft pots. Some people really would

42:04

prefer it to be quiet. You can

42:06

you can joke and stuff like that

42:08

But not allude to what you're seeing

42:10

in the pack and what right and

42:12

we tried to hold that as the

42:14

standard at YJ It was like you

42:16

can talk of course, but don't talk

42:18

about the cards in the pack Yeah,

42:20

or show somebody like, you know, and

42:22

then I think when industry I got

42:24

printed that sort of degraded permanently a

42:26

little bit Yeah, it's like hard once

42:28

you've made them back of the card.

42:30

Yeah, it's like it's delver of secrets.

42:33

You know what I mean? Like once

42:35

we had to have a period where

42:37

everyone showed off their werewolf to each

42:39

other, then it was hard to ever

42:41

put the genie back in the bottle.

42:43

You know, especially with like now that

42:45

we have like the list and like

42:47

you know all these like special guest

42:49

cards and stuff like that like if

42:51

you if if my buddy cracks open

42:53

a pack during a draft and like

42:55

fury you know the fancy fingerprint art

42:57

is in there and they like I

42:59

would love for them to go whoa

43:01

right like I think that's a lot

43:04

of fun but some people don't want

43:06

that so it really just depends on

43:08

the vibe of the group. Yeah, it's

43:10

at tournament rules, like you got to

43:12

know, like if you if you do

43:14

go play like a grand pre-draft or

43:16

whatever, high level draft with judges calling

43:18

and everything, like you do need to

43:20

keep, you got to keep the cards

43:22

secret or you're going to like go

43:24

into round one of the game loss

43:26

or whatever if you mess that up.

43:28

But with your friends, like you just

43:30

want to make sure everyone's having a

43:32

good time and the level of chatter

43:35

isn't. against anyone's taste so you sort

43:37

of have to feel that out obviously

43:39

there's yeah I mean because there's a

43:41

point in which you it stops becoming

43:43

a draft if everybody knows what everyone's

43:45

color everyone's in and then you're just

43:47

like well I'm not taking green because

43:49

I know so-and-so's in green and that

43:51

just means they get all the green

43:53

cards and that ends up not really

43:55

being a limited and maybe it can

43:57

you can stop me fun but face

43:59

up draft is also a thing is

44:01

also a thing That was so fine.

44:03

So like everything and its opposite is

44:06

true weirdly about draft like people can

44:08

have conversations and at the drafting table

44:10

it can be about the cards and

44:12

it can mess you up and then

44:14

at the same time other people the

44:16

same conversation will happen and it's like.

44:18

they just don't pay attention to it

44:20

because sometimes you sit down and say

44:22

I'm gonna force blue and you force

44:24

blue and sometimes sit down and say

44:26

I'm gonna force blue and you just

44:28

kind of read the signals and draft

44:30

whatever it was you know like so

44:32

the entire conversation is allowed to be

44:34

divorced from the entire conversation is allowed

44:37

to be divorced from the actual draft.

44:39

You know like so the entire conversation

44:41

is allowed to be divorced from the

44:43

actual draft whatever it was you know

44:45

like so the entire conversation is allowed

44:47

to be like. goofing around about that.

44:49

I think there are examples of pro

44:51

players who are like who have gone

44:53

and like I am forcing this archetype

44:55

beforehand and then forced it in the

44:57

draft. Sure yeah exactly you can single

44:59

weasel or double yeah I mean yeah

45:01

there's a little bit of the pen

45:03

trick that could happen I don't know

45:05

I think this all comes down to

45:08

the vibes at the play group if

45:10

I didn't know the play group I

45:12

would not be making jokes about forcing

45:14

different colors or goofing around but when

45:16

I'm playing with these guys and I

45:18

hear Cameron saying all right for drafting

45:20

is it obviously and then I see

45:22

Ben opening a sick special guest card

45:24

I'm like cool my friends are having

45:26

fun. Yeah, yeah, so I mean I

45:28

don't know I wouldn't say you're the

45:30

sinkhole but in this situation there's something

45:32

to be learned right next time we're

45:34

drafting these people maybe it's like think

45:36

about as you sit down you're like

45:39

I'm gonna force blue and then like

45:41

what everyone's reactions are if you just

45:43

like take Vivian read and you're in

45:45

green and you end up green white

45:47

or whatever or if you're like I

45:49

forced blue and then you're like you

45:51

were meant to as a joke but

45:53

then there's a shark typhoon and you're

45:55

like I actually am gonna force blue

45:57

and like how everyone feels and like

45:59

whether anyone's grumpy about that because these

46:01

are friends and I think if you

46:03

say it don't say anything and then

46:05

go I have a shark typhoon and

46:07

then go I have a whatever other

46:10

blue bombs were in that. That one

46:12

was pretty good, yeah. Yeah, and you're

46:14

just like, and all these, I would

46:16

instantly be like, oh, so it did

46:18

work out for you. You didn't force

46:20

anything. Because no one's passing shark typhoon.

46:22

And if they are, I mean, it's

46:24

probably just later in the draft. And

46:26

if you go, this was my P1P1,

46:28

then I'm like, oh yeah, rocket. Like

46:30

it instantly dispels any sort of thing

46:32

for me a little bit there. But

46:34

yeah. So yeah, so, so, so, so

46:36

you're not the, not the sinkhole. mid,

46:39

mid, you're not a single, maybe, what's

46:41

slightly, maybe you're a pillage. I appreciate

46:43

that so many people are concerned about

46:45

making sure that their friends have positive

46:47

play experiences. It's the gathering. Yeah, I

46:49

mean, it takes work from all of

46:51

us to try to make sure we

46:53

all have fun. All right, we got

46:55

a good one here coming up next.

46:57

It comes from our Blue Sky. We're

46:59

back in Commander Land. And this is

47:01

an issue that we experience on Friday

47:03

night paper fight as well. So they're

47:05

playing ED. And they're playing Maga, Trader

47:07

to Mortals, which is a card from

47:10

Kamigawa that I'm definitely, I know what

47:12

the art looks like, it's the dude

47:14

like reaching up into the sky, I

47:16

don't. It's a fireball, it's X. Okay,

47:18

yeah, come, yeah, so they're X, black,

47:20

black, black, for a zero, when they

47:22

come into play with X, one, one,

47:24

one, one, counters on it, when they

47:26

come into play, a target player, loses,

47:28

equal to the number of one, one,

47:30

one, one, one, one, one, one, one,

47:32

one, one, one, one, one, one, one,

47:34

one, one, one, one, one, one, one,

47:36

one, one, one, one, one, one, one,

47:38

one, one, one, one, one, one, one,

47:41

one, one, one, one, one, one, one,

47:43

one, one, one, one, one, one, one,

47:45

one, one, one One of my opponents

47:47

had a band deck that usually won

47:49

out of nowhere with combos. That mono

47:51

black has a very hard time dealing

47:53

with. I got out an early OG

47:55

sorin. Okay. Set their life total to

47:57

10 and took them out not long

47:59

after I assume with a big fireball

48:01

to the dome. Sure. The game went

48:03

on then for another hour. Ooh. Okay.

48:05

Am I the sinkhole? No. That's magic

48:07

folks. Yeah. That's how you play. Someone's

48:09

got to win and someone's got to

48:12

lose it. And then the game can

48:14

drag. It happens all the time on

48:16

dear. I don't know why all my

48:18

my references are of you. I guess

48:20

you and I play a lot of

48:22

commander with. of each other. Here's a

48:24

bunch of commander games in a row

48:26

where some of the same things happen.

48:28

Yeah, where you beat me out on

48:30

like turn five with Liberty private. Liberty

48:32

Prime game was a real point. I

48:34

remember you just being like, this is

48:36

how it has to happen. Yeah. It's

48:38

not your fault. It's not my fault.

48:40

It just makes the most. You're playing

48:43

a fault. It's not my fault. It

48:45

just makes the most. You're playing a

48:47

Voltron command here. Here. right and I

48:49

got a watch and that's fine it's

48:51

fun to watch and like you can

48:53

comment and all that kind of jazz

48:55

in the instance where you get kicked

48:57

out of a commander pot early and

48:59

you're not on camera right you could

49:01

go do whatever you want that's true

49:03

maybe you're at your friends for commander

49:05

night and the hope was to have

49:07

one or two games and you got

49:09

there and you sit down at 630

49:11

and then it's 640 you're like well

49:14

I mean, should I go home or

49:16

whatever like that they're not at an

49:18

LGS for anything else to do? Like

49:20

I sympathize and like the magga player

49:22

is sending in the question, right? They're

49:24

like, I had to watch them kind

49:26

of be bored for an hour. Like,

49:28

was that the wrong thing for me

49:30

to do? And it's like, the weird

49:32

answer is no. Commander is the wrong

49:34

game to play because inherently not great

49:36

board game design, right? Yeah, I'm going

49:38

to. pause it a little bit of

49:40

you are the same. Only because from

49:42

the way that you've written this, you

49:45

came in with meta knowledge. Yeah, we

49:47

haven't talked about that yet, but certainly

49:49

these players have played before. They've played

49:51

before, and I mean, again, like, depends

49:53

on your play group. If at any

49:55

point in a game, could we, sometimes

49:57

we play multiple games on camera, right?

49:59

And there's the pseudo. Interior monologue that

50:01

sometimes says well so and so one

50:03

last time in the last game right

50:05

I should go after them this game

50:07

right that is it's hard to turn

50:09

off I think in commander when you're

50:11

playing multiple games So this feels like

50:13

an extrapolation of that, but it's like,

50:16

I feel like you gotta come in

50:18

to each friendly game of commander with

50:20

a clean slate. I agree. I think

50:22

that that's a really interesting point and

50:24

I hadn't considered that because like I

50:26

considered oh I get sore and out

50:28

and I set somebody's life total to

50:30

10 because I've got to set somebody's

50:32

life total to 10 and then I

50:34

take a player out of the game

50:36

because that is how my deck wins

50:38

and that is my goal here. But

50:40

if you're if you're that if you

50:42

know a band player was behind on

50:45

board or not doing anything particularly threatening

50:47

it may be does look like they're

50:49

being specifically targeted because you know how

50:51

their deck works. Yeah we don't know

50:53

what the case in this one was

50:55

but yeah I want to suggest you

50:57

specifically target anyone who was behind on

50:59

board and not doing anything threatening though

51:01

too like that's just classic multiplayer magic

51:03

if someone stumbles like if they miss

51:05

one land drop or they don't play

51:07

blockers it's like they've got something you

51:09

need to kill them now while you

51:11

can I have gotten a little bit

51:13

more on the I'm going to attack

51:16

who's open. I do not care if

51:18

you're behind on land or so and

51:20

so's there if I'm able to turn

51:22

this creature sideways with no repercussion. From

51:24

a purely game, you know, there's political

51:26

repression there. I'm gonna do it. Yeah,

51:28

if I have a safe attack, I'm

51:30

not gonna sit there and like leave

51:32

four damage on the board. Yeah, because

51:34

I don't want to make an enemy

51:36

because it's too early. Yeah. We've already

51:38

made enemies because we're playing commander. Yeah,

51:40

the goal is to kill everyone. Yeah,

51:42

the goal is to be the last

51:44

player standing. Yeah. You're already in a

51:47

competitive environment. I don't know. It's tough.

51:49

But as you said Kathleen. you're not

51:51

playing O.G. Sor and to uptick them.

51:53

You know, you aren't putting that that

51:55

card reads. You get to take someone's

51:57

turn. Yeah, that's pretty fun too. Yeah,

51:59

that card, especially in a mono deck,

52:01

black deck, that card reads, set your

52:03

opponent's life total to 10. And I

52:05

think I think it has a place.

52:07

and index right you know like I

52:09

don't think but it's like you know

52:11

this is gonna happen so embrace it

52:13

if you're setting someone's life total to

52:15

10 you've done that did they also

52:18

I don't know we didn't actually get

52:20

to hear from this how they died

52:22

if oh right we assume they got

52:24

maggad but maybe other people attacked them

52:26

or whatever yeah like I just played

52:28

Oji Sorin and then everybody else is

52:30

like oh they're weak get them yeah

52:32

maybe the other two players like oh

52:34

good the band players low fight them

52:36

and then untapped sorin plus two to

52:38

kill them or I think what we've

52:40

learned, I think my advice to you

52:42

is I think everybody was as long

52:44

as you weren't like specifically like going

52:46

after this person because they had beaten

52:49

you before, right? As long as it

52:51

was a correct gameplay rule, like a

52:53

gameplay strategy choice to take a player

52:55

out of the game, then don't be

52:57

worried about it. But maybe, y'all need

52:59

a couple of different commander decks. So

53:01

you're not like, oh, it's this band

53:03

thing again. I hate playing this thing.

53:05

I can never beat it. I would,

53:07

yeah, I mean, I guess, I guess

53:09

it's worth being like, hey man, you

53:11

want to mix it up or something

53:13

like that? Like, I like, swap decks.

53:15

Yeah, like we're in an interesting space

53:17

where work and our play group mesh

53:20

together, right? And so a lot of

53:22

the commander games we play together are

53:24

what you see on camera, right? you

53:26

know, you brought this band deck for

53:28

the last four weeks in a row.

53:30

Like, what about, and not, I would

53:32

not even just put it on them

53:34

to bring something. I'd be like, hey,

53:36

what about if we all do some

53:38

sort of theme thing and, and, and,

53:40

and, and, and, and, and, that could

53:42

be kind of cool. The only way

53:44

I could beat them is if it's

53:46

like kind of early game I get

53:48

their life total down with Soren and

53:51

then we all attack him or I

53:53

like one two punch them out because

53:55

as soon as they have enough resources

53:57

their counterplay is gonna beat me and

53:59

they're gonna combo off and I can't

54:01

stop their combo. So like, that's kind

54:03

of legit too, right? It's just sort

54:05

of like, well, you brought that deck,

54:07

we've played together before, I think this

54:09

is the only way I can beat

54:11

you. So then I played magic from

54:13

there. So then I drew my sorin

54:15

because you're not guaranteed to draw it.

54:17

And he went, okay, this is a

54:20

good gameplay line for me. Yeah. And

54:22

so, I don't think. Essentially not the

54:24

single although I totally agree with what

54:26

Ben said and if you can, you

54:28

know Yeah, play some different decks. You

54:30

know, I don't know if it's the

54:32

end of the episode yet, but this

54:34

would be a killer card kingdom segue

54:36

right here I mean, I don't know

54:38

like I don't know do we have

54:40

time for one more? Is that a

54:42

fast one? Okay, well, we got I

54:44

have one really short one here that

54:46

we can we can talk about no

54:48

nuance only opinions only opinions okay, okay,

54:51

so This is probably happened before to

54:53

people. I mean, well, we started with

54:55

EDH, we'll end with EDH. This one

54:57

doesn't say where they're from. From a

54:59

mystery zone. All right, shout out to

55:01

Kathleen, I'm a mill enjoyer. And I

55:03

always double-check that people are okay with

55:05

before playing. A player I had never

55:07

played with before had a pretty bad

55:09

threat assessment and would get very irritated

55:11

if anybody touched his very obvious value

55:13

engines. I told him I need to

55:15

turbo mill a player about to win,

55:17

but I couldn't go for it unless

55:19

he didn't kill me on the next

55:22

turn with big dragons. I had an

55:24

on-board wipe and I said I won't

55:26

crack it if he directs his beaters

55:28

to someone else. He agreed to give

55:30

me a turn, and held a man,

55:32

just in case. Good thing I did,

55:34

because as I began my milling, that

55:36

hit everybody, it was an effect that

55:38

I couldn't stop, he milled a card

55:40

he loved and absolutely lost it. Yelling

55:42

and saying rude things, how I was

55:44

going to try and take him out

55:46

on his turn too. My explanations fell

55:48

on deaf ears, so I finished my

55:50

turn by killing the player I set

55:53

out. and then passed. The mad player

55:55

immediately went to combat stating he was

55:57

going to kill me so I activated

55:59

my board wipe. He scooped and threw

56:01

things and left the store. Am I

56:03

the sinkhole? I think you know. I

56:05

think you know. I think you know

56:07

that that person is a sinkhole. They're

56:09

a sinkhole but I'd like to, there

56:11

was something I really like... Hitched on

56:13

here. So yeah, yeah, probably almost certainly

56:15

you're the sinkhole but if you're yelling

56:17

in an LGS there's no there's no

56:19

W's to be had here but the

56:21

way that they describe it as like

56:24

You're you're not you're not the you're

56:26

not the you're not the sinkhole But

56:28

you say that you killed the player

56:30

that you said you were gonna kill

56:32

And now the player who didn't kill

56:34

you is now coming for you. Well,

56:36

yeah. Yeah. Where were they gonna go?

56:38

Right, is there a third player in

56:40

this game that they were supposed to

56:42

kill? They were supposed to kill before

56:44

getting to you? Right. The deal was,

56:46

don't kill me now, I will kill

56:48

this player. Yeah. That player died. The

56:50

deal is done. No, I think that

56:52

I think they were like, don't kill

56:55

me on the crackback if I kill

56:57

this player who's about to win. I

56:59

think you're supposed to give me one

57:01

turn. I think the deal was I'll

57:03

kill. I'll kill Kathleen if you don't

57:05

attack me on your next turn. Just

57:07

one. I'm asking. If you don't attack

57:09

me on your next turn. Just one.

57:11

I'm asking for one turn. If you

57:13

don't attack me on your next turn.

57:15

Just one. I'm asking for one. I'm

57:17

asking for one. I'm asking for one.

57:19

If you. I'm asking for one. If

57:21

you. If you. I'm asking me on

57:23

your. If you. I'm asking me on

57:26

your. If you. If you don't attack

57:28

me on your. If you. If you.

57:30

If you don't attack me on your.

57:32

If you don't attack me on your.

57:34

If you don't attack me on your.

57:36

If you don't attack me on your.

57:38

I'm on your. If you. It's the

57:40

same in commander where you can be

57:42

like, yeah, I won't attack you on

57:44

your, on my next turn. Untapped, attack

57:46

you. Oh, it's my turn. I'd like

57:48

to untap to attack you. So you

57:50

are allowed to do that, and Josh

57:52

Lequai will back me up on that

57:54

one. Yeah. I will say politics are

57:57

allowed. And that's both ways of politics

57:59

is making good and honorable deals where

58:01

I say Nelson, I'm going to kill

58:03

Ben because otherwise he's going to combo

58:05

off and we're all going to lose.

58:07

But that's going to require me to

58:09

go Shields down and I'm going to

58:11

appreciate that you don't attack me. If

58:13

you kill Ben, I won't attack you

58:15

on the next... next game. All right

58:17

that's that we're gonna call that a

58:19

a deal and then Nelson is also

58:21

looking forward to her next game. Nelson's

58:23

allowed to go and break that deal

58:26

because it's a handshake deal and it's

58:28

politics and it's commander and that's how

58:30

you play the game and that is

58:32

the stakes of the game and we

58:34

realize and accept that in a four

58:36

player game there can be one winner.

58:38

It is a competitive environment. Yeah. Right.

58:40

Maybe it doesn't feel good to make

58:42

a deal with somebody who then turns

58:44

around and lies and maybe then you

58:46

don't make politics deals with that person

58:48

later, right? It is never okay to

58:50

get mad. because something happened in commander

58:52

like you milled a card or your

58:54

thing died yeah well I mean you

58:57

can get mad it's never okay to

58:59

throw stuff no yeah all right emotions

59:01

happen but this is what we tell

59:03

Penelope it's okay to feel mad yeah

59:05

because obviously you always do it's not

59:07

okay to take those feelings out on

59:09

other people yeah yeah and I mean

59:11

it's really interesting I guess I the

59:13

the the concept that mill pisses people

59:15

off is so foreign to me I'm

59:17

not real. Yeah, I did not realize

59:19

that I was just like I see

59:21

a card and I go, oh man,

59:23

right? But I'm just like, I've never

59:25

been mad that somebody milled me. I'd

59:28

rather that. Like when I saw Mine

59:30

Skinner and they're like, instead of dealing

59:32

10 damage or whatever, this card makes

59:34

your creatures mill the person. I'm like,

59:36

this card makes your creatures mill the

59:38

person. I'm like, I feel somehow better

59:40

about milling five than taking five. Oh

59:42

yeah. So now you got more life

59:44

points, right? Yeah. But it's wild that

59:46

the dragon player saw like their favorite

59:48

card get milled and they're like, oh

59:50

no, now it's gone. It's like, buddy,

59:52

you didn't even have that in your

59:54

hand anyway. How can you have a

59:56

favorite dragon card? Aren't they like all

59:59

basically the same thing? We're not going

1:00:01

there. But I will say not the

1:00:03

sinkhole. I mean, you did a politics.

1:00:05

a game commander, but you like held

1:00:07

up your trap card anyway because you

1:00:09

didn't trust the person. That's just, that

1:00:11

sounds like you played the Ender before.

1:00:13

I milled this six drop five, five

1:00:15

flyer that probably enters and hits something

1:00:17

or generates treasures or something. Dragon. It

1:00:19

got milled instead of me casting it.

1:00:21

What did that, what did the old

1:00:23

player say to you in that episode

1:00:25

of Friday nights? Ooh, I'm not the

1:00:27

thread. to play is 6-6 for two

1:00:30

minutes, draw five cards, game 12. Yeah,

1:00:32

listen, listen, I got no beef with

1:00:34

dragon kindred at all. I just, it's

1:00:36

always so funny to me where it's

1:00:38

like new, where I, you know, Tarkher

1:00:40

is happening and whatnot and my eyes

1:00:42

glazed over at a lot of these

1:00:44

dragons because I'm like, love dragons, love

1:00:46

Tarkher, super super super neat, but. The

1:00:48

sphere of what a dragon card does

1:00:50

is a rich vein of similarities. I

1:00:52

don't know how you make choices. Yeah.

1:00:54

What could your favorite dragon card possibly

1:00:56

be? Yeah. You write fanfic and the,

1:00:58

you know, the characters that speak to

1:01:01

you the most rise to the top.

1:01:03

Well, I think we determined not the

1:01:05

sinkhole. Not the sinkhole. And you were,

1:01:07

I would put it out there. I

1:01:09

would not even remotely call playing a

1:01:11

Mill deck bad. You're, you are setting,

1:01:13

you're putting your game on hard mode

1:01:15

by playing Mill and Commander, dude. There's

1:01:17

a reason we don't do it really

1:01:19

in, yeah, it's the only kill one

1:01:21

person anyway. Yeah, because, like, because Mill,

1:01:23

you want, they have to run out

1:01:25

of cards. So you're giving all your

1:01:27

opponents a hundred life. Yeah. Right? If

1:01:29

you don't have a way to incidentally.

1:01:32

And like, you kind of, Mill is

1:01:34

one of those strategies, you gotta go

1:01:36

well in on. For most players it's

1:01:38

probably helpful to mill cards because there's

1:01:40

so much graveyard recursion these days. Or

1:01:42

like things like that can use the

1:01:44

graveyard as a resource. I could see

1:01:46

like different mill effects being weighed more

1:01:48

heavily than a... Like if someone's milling

1:01:50

me out using like a Phoenix deck

1:01:52

and it's like big booty millers and

1:01:54

stuff like that, I'm like, sure, that's

1:01:56

fine or whatever. Getting like traumatized or

1:01:58

cut your losses or something like that,

1:02:00

I can see that feeling bad because

1:02:03

it's like six manna and someone just

1:02:05

axes half of their deck instantly. Like

1:02:07

that can be tough. I get that

1:02:09

fleet swallower effects or whatever, but like,

1:02:11

I guess I've never milled something and

1:02:13

then been like, and that's that's that,

1:02:15

you know, you know, like I'm upset.

1:02:17

I don't know, put regrowths in your

1:02:19

deck. I think most people do. Yeah,

1:02:21

yeah. Like stuff's gonna go to the

1:02:23

bin. Yeah. I want to say to

1:02:25

like to the Dragon Player or anyone

1:02:27

who struggles with enjoying a game while

1:02:29

their opponent's milling them. Like I want

1:02:32

to bring it back to that. collective

1:02:34

voyage situation where it's like okay they

1:02:36

mill you so now those cards aren't

1:02:38

in your library for you to draw

1:02:40

anymore and sometimes that actually will change

1:02:42

the way you play in the game

1:02:44

but usually like the base level understanding

1:02:46

of it is like oh they took

1:02:48

that away from me but you can

1:02:50

you can get out of that thinking

1:02:52

trap if you just remember that like

1:02:54

the resources you have available are your

1:02:56

board like your your battlefield and your

1:02:58

hand right and then like the ability

1:03:00

to draw more cards but what those

1:03:03

cards are is random so like say

1:03:05

you're gonna to draw like 10 cards

1:03:07

in the course of the game. Like

1:03:09

it's a 10 turn game and you

1:03:11

got your initial mulligan. You know, all

1:03:13

the other like 83 cards or whatever

1:03:15

in your deck, those are just random.

1:03:17

Like if they were in your graveyard

1:03:19

or in your library still, it's kind

1:03:21

of the same. Yeah. You're still drawing

1:03:23

one card to turn or whatever many

1:03:25

you're drawing and stuff. So if they

1:03:27

managed to mill you to the point

1:03:29

where you have to stop casting card

1:03:31

drawing spells, like that's relevant. That's like

1:03:34

them winning. I think I think more

1:03:36

people need to look at commander decks

1:03:38

less as this 100 card synergistic engine

1:03:40

and more like 20. 25 cards in

1:03:42

this deck are my cool dragon thing

1:03:44

and then get putting like another 15

1:03:46

to 20 as my interaction or as

1:03:48

my like my toolkit for like what

1:03:50

I'm gonna do, like, you know, I

1:03:52

should have, like, a couple disenchant effects

1:03:54

and all that, or like, so I

1:03:56

can cast my dragon. Yeah, right, like,

1:03:58

you know, and you don't, there's a

1:04:00

certain level of, like, much as you

1:04:02

were saying, with the non, the non-basical,

1:04:05

or the, the basic land player, right?

1:04:07

Is it's just like, yes, it is

1:04:09

undeniably from a. just looking at it

1:04:11

standpoint to be like it's it feels

1:04:13

nicer to have a badlands than a

1:04:15

swamp in a mountain right right because

1:04:17

it's like it feels better to put

1:04:19

that one card in there but in

1:04:21

a lot of happens you know it

1:04:23

feels better to drop glory bringer than

1:04:25

it does to have reclaim right like

1:04:27

that feels better I get it but

1:04:29

you're probably gonna run into less of

1:04:31

these sort of scenarios where you're just

1:04:33

like oh shoot I can't do anything

1:04:36

to this. Yeah, or even if you

1:04:38

don't have regrowth, just like realizing that

1:04:40

like this either changes your turn or

1:04:42

not, right? Yeah. Like maybe if you

1:04:44

are drawing to an out and it

1:04:46

got milled, then you're like, okay, what

1:04:48

do I do now? You know, like

1:04:50

you're in kind of an exciting escape

1:04:52

room of a magic game now, right?

1:04:54

Versus like. if they just milk some

1:04:56

of your dragons, but you know you

1:04:58

have a bunch more dragons in your

1:05:00

deck, just keep playing and ignore it.

1:05:02

I just want to say again that

1:05:04

this speaks to your sort of positive

1:05:07

attitude towards life. When you are in

1:05:09

a game situation where you are trying,

1:05:11

you're like, I need this card. And

1:05:13

then that card gets put in your

1:05:15

bin. And your reaction as described is

1:05:17

like, oh, how interesting. Now I'm in

1:05:19

a different problem. Whereas most people would

1:05:21

be like, well. I have gotten so

1:05:23

mad in a game that I threw

1:05:25

things once and I really regretted it.

1:05:27

So I will just say that like

1:05:29

anything you can do to try to

1:05:31

like get yourself out of that place

1:05:33

in your mind is a service to

1:05:35

yourself. I think what would be be

1:05:38

calm and zen like Nelson. Yeah, fill

1:05:40

your sinkhole with dirt so they can

1:05:42

climb out of it. A garden out

1:05:44

of your sinkhole. Yeah. But like seriously

1:05:46

though, like if you just go into

1:05:48

everything being like I get. to play

1:05:50

magic, I'm going to make fun gameplay

1:05:52

decisions and enjoy myself, regardless of the

1:05:54

outcome, although I will try to win

1:05:56

because it is competitive and we know

1:05:58

we want to. I think that's a

1:06:00

great attitude to have. Yeah, absolutely. And

1:06:02

I think overall, like none of these

1:06:04

scenarios were like, I mean, there were

1:06:06

some straight up sinkholes up in here,

1:06:09

right? But I think at the end,

1:06:11

we've kind of elaborated that it's all

1:06:13

about like your perspective on the scenario.

1:06:15

And if you. how you take these

1:06:17

things and the actions you take afterwards.

1:06:19

That is probably the biggest indicator if

1:06:21

you're a sinkhole or not. Yeah, right.

1:06:23

I would say everybody who wrote to

1:06:25

us not a sinkhole because they were

1:06:27

genuinely concerned about their behavior and wanted

1:06:29

to know. Yeah. However, there are many

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sinkholes out there. Yeah. And that they'll

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