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I mentioned, Cheven was here, we had

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the, at time that you're seeing

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this, we had the Avish Card,

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no, the etherdrift pre-release. We will

1:42

have had. This past, on the

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31st and the Vod for that

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will already be available on this

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channel. So if you want to

1:50

see a bunch of ether drift

1:52

gameplay, you should definitely check that

1:54

out. But I'm excited to have

1:56

Cheven here because you were involved

1:58

with the world- of at least a

2:01

third of the planes on this set.

2:03

Yeah, I got to, yeah, doctors

2:05

about that. I got to

2:07

live basically the magic fan

2:09

dream and I got to

2:11

be a consultant on aether

2:13

drift or the whatever the

2:15

set was called before when

2:17

it was just codenamed tennis.

2:19

And that, I'm just gonna,

2:21

you, you keep talking. Yeah. But yeah,

2:23

no, I got to be a consultant on tennis

2:25

and it was one of the coolest things I've

2:27

ever gotten to do because every magic fan of

2:30

the world wants to sit and be able to

2:32

work on a magic set. Yeah. And they came

2:34

to me and they're like, so we want

2:36

to go back to Caledish. I'm like, yes,

2:38

whatever you want for me, I'll do it.

2:40

I'm sold. I will do whatever you're asking

2:42

me to do. Because Caledish is my favorite

2:44

plane and my favorite plane and my favorite

2:46

set. Not just because it was Indian

2:48

themed, but that helped a lot,

2:51

but also because mechanically and artistically

2:53

it ruled and I was super

2:55

engrossed in it. long-time listeners of Taptap

2:57

Conceit can go back like six years and

2:59

check out the episodes I was on the

3:01

first episode I think I showed up on

3:03

where I did a caledish deep dive and

3:05

an eighth or revolt deep dive of the

3:07

lore where we sat and we went through

3:10

every card like not every card but like

3:12

a number of cards and I told the

3:14

stories every card that had a notable story

3:16

and it called like a cultural reference behind

3:18

it so like I've been super stuck because this

3:20

is a set that I love a lot. But

3:22

you did not you were not without

3:25

complaints shall we say because when

3:27

you love something a lot as

3:29

we magic fans know You're going

3:31

to see the things that it

3:33

could do better right right and

3:35

one of the long-standing complaints that

3:37

not just me But a lot

3:39

of South Asian players of magic

3:41

have had was that Caledesh was

3:43

named very unfortunately in that when

3:46

they were looking up a set

3:48

name so magic when it does like

3:50

ethnic sets and quotes, like for instance,

3:52

Kamigawa. Kamigawa means spirit, river, it thematically

3:54

fits the vibe of the setting. And

3:56

they were looking, oh, let's find a

3:59

Hindi or Indian. word that we can

4:01

name this set, that we can give

4:03

a cool vibe of engineering or technology

4:05

or futurism. And like when you look

4:07

at like the word gala and you

4:10

see it in universities and stuff, you'll

4:12

see like school of engineering, it'll have

4:14

the word gala in there as the

4:16

engineering part. However, when you look at

4:18

a dictionary definition of kala, kala has

4:21

like four or five, six, seven definitions,

4:23

like fourth or fifth or six, somewhere

4:25

deep down there. The number one and

4:27

two are time as in like... Makali,

4:29

the Kalima, the goddess, the goddess of

4:32

time, and also goddess destruction, but also

4:34

Kala, the color black, as in like,

4:36

Kara, as in like, it means black.

4:38

It literally, like, if you ask anybody,

4:40

like, the first word you think of

4:43

when you hear the word Kala or

4:45

see it run down, it's gonna be

4:47

black. And so this means land of

4:49

or place over people love. Like, it's

4:51

sort of way the stand in like

4:54

Pakistan or Afghanistan or whatever means the

4:56

land of the. Afghans, land of Gurgis,

4:58

or whatever. Like Bangladesh means the land

5:00

of the Bangalore people. And so when

5:02

you see Kalidash, you don't think land

5:05

of engineering, because that kind of doesn't

5:07

make sense, because engineering is not a

5:09

people. But you see land of black

5:11

people. But the problem is the way

5:13

that racism works in the world is.

5:16

Words for black tend to get slanged

5:18

and slurred into meaning very derogatory words

5:20

for black people. And gala, when you

5:22

slang it in a way that I'm

5:24

not going to do on there because

5:27

I don't want to give people more

5:29

ammunition, you don't need to share slurs.

5:31

Smart. But when you read it, if

5:33

you're a South Asian of North India

5:36

or Pakistan or Bangladesh who speaks a

5:38

Sanskritic language, you're looking at like, did

5:40

you really just call it land of

5:42

end words? like land of black people

5:44

like you allowed like for a set

5:47

that was already on teetering on the

5:49

edge of being just like rubble without

5:51

a cause kind of whitewashed into brown

5:53

wash into just being like, you know,

5:55

we're like rebellious racers, but we're Indians

5:58

now. It's like, so it's a Bay

6:00

Area, and then you give it a

6:02

derogatory name. And I was like, we

6:04

can do that of them, that. And

6:06

now was this like a, like a

6:09

sort of regional thing, because I know

6:11

that there's no shortage of languages spoken

6:13

across India. Yeah. And was this like

6:15

a particular, was this like, I mean,

6:17

the way that you described it, were

6:20

they Like, was this more to do

6:22

with basically just looking down the dictionary

6:24

and being like, oh, this is a

6:26

definition, cool. Or was this like a

6:28

regional dialect thing? Literally, like, you can

6:31

tell that they were just like, we

6:33

need word for engineering. Here's word for

6:35

engineering. And they didn't, and I don't

6:37

blame them. I don't blame Watsy for

6:39

this because this is the sort of

6:42

thing that they would need calls for.

6:44

Because, you miss the other definitions. even

6:46

if you saw black land that that

6:48

might be a little like weird but

6:50

it doesn't necessarily mean racism more like

6:53

you know unpleasant meaning unless unless unless

6:55

you're in the culture at which point

6:57

you're just like holy crap that's and

6:59

then like you know and the set

7:02

itself had some weird like You know,

7:04

they put the oath of Ajani in

7:06

there making him look like the divine

7:08

god, Narsima, or they have like the

7:10

7-Eleven vehicle that was in there. That

7:13

was, that was a, oh, this is

7:15

all adding up to not great. Yeah.

7:17

But, like, and it's important to note,

7:19

like, this was, I accepted it and

7:21

I was just like, look, they've named

7:24

the set, they've made the set, they're

7:26

not going to rename the set. Fine,

7:28

I get it. It's just. locked in

7:30

stone and it's not the worst in

7:32

the world, but it's just uncomfortable. It's

7:35

like, it's fine, it's edgy. But like,

7:37

even during pre-release, people were giving me

7:39

the thank you come again. And I

7:41

was like, oh, come on, we can

7:43

do better than this. But I brought

7:46

it up with the Wizard of the

7:48

Coast, and a lot of the people

7:50

inside Wizard of the Coast were very

7:52

shocked and defined this because obviously nobody

7:54

sets out to make an inadvertent better

7:57

set you're not trying to do that

7:59

of purpose yeah no why would you

8:01

do that right and so like because

8:03

of that they started integrating more cultural

8:05

consultancy with like Kaya and then with

8:08

Ixelan Kami go all these other sets

8:10

had more input from people of affected

8:12

classes of people who were just like

8:14

able to give them guidance and help

8:16

them out like I know that the

8:19

audience like I got a lot of

8:21

comments like oh must be a bunch

8:23

of rich woke consultant towards it I'm

8:25

like no dude I'm just a player

8:28

and I just yelled at him a

8:30

lot and it was and it wasn't

8:32

just me there were a number of

8:34

us who were brought in to consult

8:36

on aether drift I'm just not naming

8:39

them because I can handle it but

8:41

I don't want to bring this onto

8:43

other people if they don't want to

8:45

be public about it. That's their business

8:47

and they don't need to. But it

8:50

was just like, and because people have

8:52

come to me and like, why didn't

8:54

you bring this up and why haven't

8:56

you been young this on Twitter like

8:58

you do about everything else? I'm like,

9:01

A, I can just go directly to

9:03

the source and B, really think about

9:05

that for a second. Why would I

9:07

want to just bring about a bunch

9:09

of misunderstanding and unhappiness for something that

9:12

by and large I was happy with

9:14

right like I like to say I

9:16

thought it was cool so but I

9:18

had resigned myself I was like you

9:20

know what they're not gonna come back

9:23

yeah I will say like if this

9:25

is the first you're hearing about it

9:27

when I know when they announced that

9:29

there was going to be a new

9:31

name there is a like the top

9:34

comment on the red thread was like

9:36

really and then like the second most

9:38

highest commented was like yeah South Asian

9:40

here that's not a good name Yeah,

9:42

no, no, no, that is, we've been

9:45

saying this for years. You've just been

9:47

quietly putting up with it. Right, no,

9:49

and it's like, because there's a lot

9:51

of people like, it's just a made

9:54

up word, I'm like, no, it's not,

9:56

it's not. smash words in other languages

9:58

together the same way that you do

10:00

in English or like German or something

10:02

like that. And even then though it's

10:05

still got meaning like it's still got

10:07

like even when you see Japanese video

10:09

games make fake American words and stuff

10:11

sometimes they let end up on things

10:13

that are very uncomfortable for people who

10:16

speak English but it was just like

10:18

kind of like we were just like.

10:20

Rolling with it, right? Like a set

10:22

came out 10 years ago, it's got

10:24

a weird name. And people like, well,

10:27

this set came out 10 years ago,

10:29

why are you making me change it

10:31

and say a different word? I'm like,

10:33

don't be lazy. Don't be lazy, man.

10:35

It's not going to kill you. Although

10:38

when... We went from, we went from,

10:40

like, Czech Republic to Czechia. Yeah, right.

10:42

We all got that. I'm sorry. Oh,

10:44

I was going to say when Japanese

10:46

game devs tried to make something that

10:49

sounded American we got the most amazing

10:51

baseball team of all time. Yeah, right

10:53

like our good Mike truck and like

10:55

a sleeve MacDykel That's what is but

10:57

you also get things like Cecil in

11:00

in Final 54's son was named some

11:02

just like I can't look it up.

11:04

You guys will find it. It's horrible.

11:06

But So they they were like, hey,

11:08

you know what you've been talking about

11:11

there for a long time and we're

11:13

planning on going back to the set

11:15

as part of this Race set that

11:17

we're building and I was like race

11:19

like race cars and stuff and room

11:22

brooms and they're like, yeah, and I'm

11:24

like, yeah, and I'm like, yeah, and

11:26

I'm like, oh, we're doing it again.

11:28

Another rebel without a cause side but

11:31

it was like, okay, you know what

11:33

racing is gonna be so sick and

11:35

The first meeting they had they call

11:37

us in and they sit us down

11:39

to talk about like they show us

11:42

some of the artwork of the satin

11:44

They wanted to kind of first off

11:46

feel out what our thoughts on old

11:48

caledish were because like they had a

11:50

panel of South Asian players and consultants

11:53

come in and Virtually and we sat

11:55

and we talked about with the create

11:57

the art team, the art team, the

11:59

world builders, what was our feel of

12:01

the original colonists that what do they

12:04

do right, what they do wrong? And

12:06

it ended up being almost a full

12:08

long set of like grievances of, look,

12:10

you can't have this name because it

12:12

has been used against me and my

12:15

kinfolk and my wife and my family

12:17

by, you know, it's a deeply, deeply

12:19

disturbing and distressing term. And you could

12:21

tell that the creative team was not,

12:23

they were like. We can't change the

12:26

name. It exists. That's the name of

12:28

the plane. We've got a copyright. We've

12:30

got a thing. Yeah. And we're like,

12:32

yeah, but you got to. Like, this

12:34

is the, this is kind of the

12:37

thing. But. And then. But then this

12:39

is what happens, like we're sitting there

12:41

talking. And I was just like, how

12:43

do we get across that this can

12:45

be done? And I was like, look,

12:48

dude. I don't want you to wreck

12:50

on it. I don't want you to

12:52

go back in time and pretend Caledish

12:54

never existed. I don't want you to

12:57

do all this real hacky whatever stuff.

12:59

That's just weird and uncomfortable and nobody

13:01

likes that. However, the second set of

13:03

the Caledish block was called Arthur Revolt.

13:05

What happens during Revolt Graham? Rebranding. Right.

13:08

You change the flag? You change the

13:10

name. And when I said that, you

13:12

could see the light in these guys,

13:14

I just kind of like. They were

13:16

like, oh, we're going to need to

13:19

have a conversation and we'll be back.

13:21

You know, but it's because like, and

13:23

people are like, you can't do that.

13:25

I'm like, well, you know, Zayyar is

13:27

not Zayyar anymore. It's like the Democratic

13:30

Republic of Congo, you know, like there's

13:32

a billion countries in the world that

13:34

were something and are like, these Pakistan

13:36

and Bangladesh. I listed, I literally listed

13:38

one earlier, the, we had, yeah, all,

13:41

Czech, Czechia. Yeah, we have, yeah, the

13:43

Czech Republic was like, actually, screw that,

13:45

and now we've got like Bosnia and

13:47

Serbia and Czechia. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, when

13:49

I, yeah, when I was a kid,

13:52

I had a, Czechia, Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia. Yeah,

13:54

but I had a, I had a,

13:56

we don't have that country anymore, though,

13:58

either. It picks up puzzle of Europe

14:00

and it had Czechoslovakia and it had

14:03

Yugoslavia. And now it doesn't. And now

14:05

it now. Now it has a lot

14:07

of. I don't know where that puzzle

14:09

is. You know, I actually got it

14:11

wrong because it was the old country

14:14

is like Czech Czechoslovakia, right? Yeah. And

14:16

then it became Czechia and Slavic Republic.

14:18

I had forgotten about it. I mean,

14:20

we've seen this. all the time. This

14:23

is a real world thing that happened

14:25

and it's totally reasonable and fine. Countries

14:27

change their name. And you had a

14:29

revolution. A revolution where you overthrew the

14:31

consulate, the fascist bosses who were running

14:34

the place and are having freedom time,

14:36

why wouldn't you want to change the

14:38

name to represent the new polity of

14:40

the state who are much more, you

14:42

know, like trying for hope and justice

14:45

and whatever it is they're going on?

14:47

And that's what I like about this

14:49

so much. is that, and to be

14:51

clear, if they had just been like,

14:53

we're just completely reconning it, it's always

14:56

been average car. It's, you know, I

14:58

would have been like, okay, sure, like

15:00

I would have been fine with that,

15:02

but I actually quite appreciate that that

15:04

that's not the case, it was caledish,

15:07

and now it's average car, both in

15:09

and out of the world. In fact,

15:11

actually, because I think that this one's

15:13

been shown because of the commander previous.

15:15

ether flux conduit James this is from

15:18

one of the from the new pia

15:20

in the lard commander's center there's also

15:22

one of the one of the new

15:24

deer hawks also has it yeah so

15:26

the flavor tax on ether flux conduit

15:29

which by the way this card is

15:31

messed up longer as caledesh became avish

15:33

car ether finally started flowing freely to

15:35

all and if you can find the

15:37

the green white I think it was

15:40

the Green White Gear Hall game, but

15:42

I don't remember what its name is.

15:44

That was one of the earliest. Yeah,

15:46

it was like one of the first

15:49

previews. Yeah. That was where they, like,

15:51

that was where they officially. announced the

15:53

Avish car title but nobody caught it

15:55

except for the folks who were on

15:57

that little panel and I sent a

16:00

text message to my friend I'm like

16:02

we won and he was just like

16:04

oh my god a new day dawns

16:06

for Avish car and we shall draw

16:08

our power from its light yeah so

16:11

as they had teased they preview this

16:13

card but they hadn't said what Avish

16:15

car is or what Avish car was

16:17

or where this was takes place it

16:19

just sort of like boy that really

16:22

looks like It's a gearhulk and it

16:24

sure looks like something that was made

16:26

on Caledash but it says stuff. It

16:28

says Avish Carr here so I don't

16:30

know what's up with that and then

16:33

later they would actually explain. So like

16:35

they didn't they didn't announce that they

16:37

were changing the name but like at

16:39

one of the one of the magic

16:41

cons member like Watsy staff came was

16:44

like did they tell you? I'm like

16:46

tell me what we're changing the name

16:48

and I was like oh. I'll explain

16:50

the other parts of the world building

16:52

too, because I got to see the

16:55

whole guide. We got to look and

16:57

see all of the creatures and all

16:59

the land, the new gods, we got

17:01

to see what they were doing and

17:03

help them kind of come up with

17:06

the new frog ditty and the new

17:08

cat guy. And they're so cool. They're

17:10

so cool. But like the graffiti, I

17:12

was so stoked about the graffiti that

17:15

they created for Avashkar, the new kind

17:17

of Hindi-esque, Devanagri-esque style font is so

17:19

sick. And like we worked on like

17:21

bringing things like Loxadon, and I was

17:23

like, look, it's okay to have elephants,

17:26

just don't make them have four arms,

17:28

you know, like don't pretend you're trying,

17:30

don't make it look like a god,

17:32

you'll be fine, etc. That was a

17:34

lot of what I did was like,

17:37

hey. these things are cool ideas you

17:39

don't need to be this cautious however

17:41

these things are things you should probably

17:43

be cautious about right like don't put

17:45

angels in the set but it's like

17:48

you don't need to walk on eggshells

17:50

but here's a couple lines you shouldn't

17:52

cross here are some eggs that should

17:54

stay shelved yeah you know these you

17:56

have to leave in the carton yeah

17:59

exactly what a great I love that

18:01

oh my god that's so good actually

18:03

so going back to a change that

18:05

they made about a year or so

18:07

ago with the. Oh, the rachas. Yeah,

18:10

the rachasas. Was that something you were

18:12

aware of or involved in? So here's

18:14

the thing. Rachas in Hindu culture is

18:16

the demon. They're shape-changing demons. Generally, they

18:18

take humanoid forms and then they can

18:21

shape change into whatever they want. They're

18:23

strong magicians. They're villains. They're very ego-driven,

18:25

a very, you know, full of like.

18:27

Lust and greed and all the sins

18:29

that Christianity likes to talk about are

18:32

what the they're very base people, but

18:34

they are not Cats with backward claws

18:36

That is because Gary Godjacks took that

18:38

from a 1970s Detective show that was

18:41

in San Francisco that had some Indian

18:43

cultists and a weird cat demon that

18:45

he saw and literally turned into Roxas

18:47

off from the fien folio and then

18:49

over time Because the somebody had drawn

18:52

a cat in that first picture When

18:54

they made it to second edition it

18:56

game more cat like third edition became

18:58

more cat like until it was like

19:00

a bad game of telephone Until we

19:03

get to the point that in D&D

19:05

and magic Rakhshar just default cat sorcerers

19:07

with backwards hands and it's like what

19:09

the hell is this? I had no

19:11

idea. That's where that came from. Yeah,

19:14

it was a whole long chain of

19:16

really bad misinformation from a guy who

19:18

didn't do any research and I was

19:20

just like This is not what a

19:22

rockish side is, it's stupid, but whatever

19:25

I guess, it's D&D. And when Wattsi

19:27

changed it, blanketed change to make the,

19:29

like, all the rocks are no longer

19:31

cat, they're just demons now. And I

19:33

was like, cool. I mean, I've been

19:36

asking for like 20 years or whatever,

19:38

like, not asking, but I've just been

19:40

like, that's a dofy thing. And then

19:42

they listened and did it, but I

19:44

had no, pardon and pardon, pardon it,

19:47

pardon it's, but I had no, pardon

19:49

and I had no, pardon and I

19:51

had no, pardon and I had no,

19:53

pardon, pardon, pardon, pardon, pardon, pardon, pardon,

19:55

pardon, pardon, pardon, pardon, pardon, pardon, pardon,

19:58

I had no, pardon, pardon, pardon, I

20:00

had no, pardon, I had no, pardon,

20:02

pardon, it, it, it, it, it, it,

20:04

it, it, it, it, it, it, it,

20:06

it, it, It's one of those things

20:09

that's like they changed it so it's

20:11

neat, but if they didn't change it

20:13

I would not be losing sleep over

20:15

it because it's almost at this point

20:18

so far removed It's like Shiva in

20:20

Final Fantasy is a lesbian bicycle and

20:22

not a meditating deity of destruction, right?

20:24

Like, it's so- They did, they did

20:26

make her a motorcycle, didn't they? Yeah,

20:29

and so it's like kind of like,

20:31

whatever, it's, you, like, something's just okay.

20:33

Like, I appreciate how chill you are

20:35

about having, like, big parts of you,

20:37

like, we're just sort of, like, taken

20:40

as like, oh, I like that name.

20:42

And that's it, right? Dude, I remember

20:44

when caledish came out, I was like,

20:46

till you guys came to my house,

20:48

took my wallpaper and then left the

20:51

rest of my... My wallpaper! Yeah, I

20:53

was really just upset when it came

20:55

out. I was like, there's nothing of

20:57

Indian culture in here. And so I

20:59

tried, especially in the story I integrated,

21:02

I brought in real Indian foods that

21:04

people would eat, and real cultural references,

21:06

and real things that make it feel

21:08

like it is set, not just in

21:10

central an Indian ask fantasy culture. And

21:13

that's what my goal was with this.

21:15

Not just like, oh, we're changing the

21:17

name for a walk. No, I'm like,

21:19

I just want to make this feel,

21:21

I want this to be for India,

21:24

what theros is for Greece, what Kamigawa

21:26

is for Japan, what Islam was for

21:28

Central America, right? Like I wanted to

21:30

feel like a place, because when it

21:32

feels like a place, you feel like

21:35

you've got grounding and you've got story

21:37

and you've got like discovery and you

21:39

want to know more and you want

21:41

to know more and it. And it's

21:44

so cool. The thing I love about

21:46

magic and D and D is that

21:48

I would read a word and then

21:50

I would want to know more about

21:52

that word and that play set that

21:55

word is coming from and then you

21:57

learn all this and you get this

21:59

whole huge like That's what makes diversity

22:01

in fantasy cool because it teaches you

22:03

cool. Because it teaches you cool fantasy

22:06

cool because all of us are like

22:08

Oh, we hate diversity and fantasy, but

22:10

then you've got samurai and ninja I

22:12

want to show them off and be

22:14

like, look at how cool this thing

22:17

is. I want you to think it's

22:19

cool too. That's why I went like

22:21

Naga where changes snakes. It was kind

22:23

of like, they did that not for

22:25

any societal reason, but to just make

22:28

creature types easier to group them, because

22:30

they're all snakes anyways. And I'm like,

22:32

I wish they just kept the nagas

22:34

in like the nagas in like the

22:36

nay, like, honestly, I don't care. Making

22:39

them snakes makes them cooler and easier

22:41

to use in other things. You can

22:43

just call them nagas. It's fine, because

22:45

the nagas is a snake, it means

22:47

snake, it means snake. Right. but then

22:50

they did a like a year or

22:52

so ago they did like a refining

22:54

of yeah where all the nagas were

22:56

down to snakes and all the all

22:58

the i-nock were dogs because originally they

23:01

were hounds and it's like why do

23:03

we have dogs and hounds and Like,

23:05

when you look at Shishnag, it is

23:07

the multi-headed snake that Vishnu sits on,

23:10

right? Or, like, when you see it,

23:12

when you're walking in a farm in

23:14

India, and they're like, oh, there's a

23:16

nag over there, it's just a snake

23:18

on the ground. It's a cobra, it's

23:21

fine. So making it into snakes was

23:23

just like, just thematically call them naga,

23:25

it's the same way we call goblins,

23:27

or something like that, right? Oh, yeah,

23:29

yeah, yeah. It's, uh, oh, what is

23:32

it? I don't know, whatever. But like,

23:34

we've got things in Magic where you've

23:36

got thematic name for a set for

23:38

a creature type that means something else,

23:40

something else, something else. Where else? And

23:43

that makes sense also, because again, when

23:45

you're looking at creature typing in Magic,

23:47

you know, Fearless Hunter or Pride Malkin,

23:49

which are just a cat. Yeah. Those

23:51

are cats, but also Jeddida de Janin.

23:54

is a cat. And so it's, it

23:56

makes, like it's fine for like, ambush

23:58

viper is a snake. Also, that snake

24:00

with six arms and, you know, 12

24:02

abs, that's also a snake. Right. Yeah,

24:05

but like that's the thing. I was

24:07

just like, I was, people were mad

24:09

at me for the Raksha Naga thing,

24:11

and I'm like, literally had nothing to

24:13

do with it, didn't care, one way

24:16

or the other, it's neat that they

24:18

thought of me. You know, your, your,

24:20

your public and vocal and therefore an

24:22

easy target. As you know what, man,

24:24

it's a thing that I've been just

24:27

like kind of snarky about over decades,

24:29

over decades, it makes. It makes sense.

24:31

But so the naming. Choices of names.

24:33

Oh, because I was going to ask

24:36

right because you said they they decided

24:38

they were going to rename it But

24:40

they hadn't decided on a name yet.

24:42

Yeah, this is we're talking about the

24:44

plane of Caledish again. Yeah And so

24:47

then they came and like they did

24:49

they did involve you in that process

24:51

They they talked to a lot of

24:53

consultants of different indic cultures, and they

24:55

also talked to me and I don't

24:58

know who else they talked to because

25:00

this was via email direct to me.

25:02

I don't know if they consulted with

25:04

anybody else. But we got a list

25:06

of names from like, you know, here's

25:09

a name from Marathi, from Hindi, from

25:11

Sanchka, from Tamil, from whatever. And then

25:13

I also submitted a list of other

25:15

names, like I thought about like Jamatkari,

25:17

which means like magician in Hindi, and

25:20

I was like, that would have been

25:22

cool. But when I saw the list

25:24

of names, among them. was Avishkar, which

25:26

means invention or like the miracle of

25:28

creating something cool. And I was like,

25:31

that word, a rules. It directly means

25:33

invention and also the miracle definition is

25:35

also just sick. But then I was

25:37

looking at it and I was like,

25:39

and this is what I said in

25:42

the spreadsheet when I emailed them back,

25:44

I'm like, this passes the saffron olive

25:46

test. This passes the ability that an

25:48

average person Not of my culture will

25:50

be able to read this and say

25:53

it in a way that does not

25:55

make me want to rip my ears

25:57

off Yeah, they do they specified in

25:59

the article when they announced this change

26:02

that the stress is on the first

26:04

syllable So it's avish car avish car

26:06

not a vish car, but even if

26:08

you didn't know that and read it

26:10

avish car. That's not the end of

26:13

the world. It's like whatever but also

26:15

I guess you've just pronounced Yeah, I

26:17

guess you could also say, Avish car,

26:19

but that would be weird and no

26:21

one would do that. Well, it could

26:24

be, because now we're driving. Oh, everyone

26:26

get in the Avish car. Oh, oh,

26:28

oh, we're definitely doing that. Get in

26:30

the Avish car? Oh my God. But

26:32

yeah. We're going, we're going racing. Get

26:35

in losers. But also, I just thought

26:37

it was a sick sounding name. I

26:39

thought it was a really cool word.

26:41

And I thought it was a really

26:43

cool vibe. We will get a professional

26:46

to write the story. I've been asking

26:48

to write the story. Reasonable and fair.

26:50

Reasonable and fair magic. I understand you.

26:52

But like they got K. Arsenal Rivera

26:54

to write the story and I love

26:57

her. She is amazing and she did

26:59

a fantastic story and like it's hard

27:01

to write a lesbian romance slash like

27:03

you know, break a daughter fighting against

27:05

her father slash defeating the last vestiges

27:08

of fascism slash let's go through three

27:10

different planes and do that. But she

27:12

managed to pull it together in a

27:14

way that still felt like you're racing,

27:16

which is very, very cool. Nice. And

27:19

also they brought back my boy Bostriquette.

27:21

Oh yeah. Dude, when they, first off,

27:23

when they showed us in the original

27:25

art document, they're like, oh, and here's

27:28

some of the characters we're going to

27:30

be like, here's Sitha Varma, he's like,

27:32

the main character of the story, and

27:34

they gave us a bunch of different

27:36

costumes and stuff to choose from, and

27:39

I was like, that looks super sick,

27:41

and long-flowing green hair, and I'm like,

27:43

oh, let's go. He's a cat. I

27:45

was really disappointed when it's on the

27:47

card. No, Ben and I were talking

27:50

about this. Oh, you wanted soldiers. I

27:52

wanted soldiers. The first boss we cared

27:54

about soldiers. Yeah, but now there's like

27:56

probably a cat deck, violin, standard, right?

27:58

Oh, hell yeah. Cuz we cycles this.

28:01

Cats, you control, gain, and distract. Oh,

28:03

no. This card rolls. For the benefit

28:05

of our audio listeners, I'll just read

28:07

this out. Bossary, Tomorrow's champion. Tomorrow, tomorrow's

28:09

champion. Also great name. a two one

28:12

so that's a classic that's that line

28:14

that's it that's a savanna line of

28:16

course he is uh... and for white

28:18

and tap and exert bazri because of

28:20

course bazri is from among cats so

28:23

bazri can exert uh... create a one

28:25

one white cat token with life link

28:27

Excellent. Love it. And then yeah, cycling

28:29

for two in a white and... Also

28:31

an amokettie. So you discard a card,

28:34

draw a card, and when you cycle

28:36

it, cats you control gain hex-proof and

28:38

indestructible until end of turning. Yeah, no,

28:40

this card rules. Yeah. Like it rules

28:42

a lot and like there's a lot

28:45

of great white cats out there and

28:47

you can make an awesome commander deck

28:49

out of this. you could put it

28:51

into your jot in deck. We did

28:53

we did also recently have it confirmed

28:56

because we we hypothesized this on a

28:58

previous episode of tap tap that watermark

29:00

is indeed indicative of this is a

29:02

desparked plains walker yes yeah so that's

29:05

cool I think it's really cool that

29:07

they do that yeah I think it's

29:09

a neat little just flavor vibe and

29:11

I also like the way that watermark

29:13

looks with the lightning bolt kind of

29:16

thing I also like that they teased

29:18

this kind of on helpful hunter from

29:20

Foundations, the cat with the feather in

29:22

its mouth, because the flavor text is

29:24

from Bossery, and it's like, ah, look

29:27

at the, you know, the noble hunter

29:29

has returned. Can I tell you, because

29:31

I worked on the Creative Text for

29:33

Foundations, it was Jayanelli who wrote that

29:35

flavor text. Wonderful. I mean, I can't

29:38

speak to what Jay knows, because I

29:40

know Jay works on a lot of

29:42

stuff for Magic and Gathering. But when

29:44

we were submitting stuff like that, I

29:46

had no idea that Bosri would be

29:49

coming up. Because obviously if you work

29:51

on foundations, you have no idea what's

29:53

coming out after it. And foundation does

29:55

set outside of time. Yes, exactly. And

29:57

the thing is, it was just the

30:00

art brief was just like, this is

30:02

a cat on Amuncat. And he's got

30:04

a, right? This is an Ammonquette cat.

30:06

Basically who's the art breed. And so,

30:08

and I think, I think Jay's thought

30:11

was, hey, Bozry's a character from Ammonket.

30:13

Great, let's put him on the car.

30:15

I don't think Jay. I think Jay.

30:17

wrote that flavor text for the helpful

30:19

hunter, but I don't think, I mean,

30:22

maybe he did, but I had no

30:24

idea. I just thought it was a,

30:26

I thought it was a cool attribution.

30:28

I was like, oh, what a great

30:31

person to call back. There was the

30:33

one previous cat connection, which was the

30:35

card, Bossari's Acolyte, was a Leonin. That's

30:37

true. And then if you read the

30:39

side story, we're going to do a

30:42

story podcast later, by the way. But

30:44

if you read the side story, you

30:46

can see that you can see Bozry

30:48

loves cats so much, he goes out

30:50

into the desert and discovers a new

30:53

cat god. Yeah, dude. Ah! Okay, so

30:55

James, can you pull up the first

30:57

Bossery cat for me? The old Plains

30:59

Walker, whatever. Couldn't tell you. Yeah, 21.

31:01

I have a story about Bachelorette here

31:04

that's related to all this because I

31:06

helped create this character. Really? Yeah, so

31:08

at GDC in like 2018 or something

31:10

like that, Watty sent Allison Lures and

31:12

one of the other gents with her,

31:15

a dude who the guy outside along

31:17

with Gavin Verhay who created Brawl. And

31:19

we, I took them to the Asian

31:21

Art Museum in San Francisco because that's

31:23

one of my favorite museums. because they

31:26

had time they didn't have any panels

31:28

and so we were just walking around

31:30

and I was giving them a tour

31:32

and because I'm a talker we went

31:34

through the galleys and I gave them

31:37

like the histories of all the gods

31:39

and all the stories and all the

31:41

you know the relevant lore and everything

31:43

for like a two hour long doesn't

31:45

let door of me and I was

31:48

at the same time being like also

31:50

magic hates religion maybe let's not Maybe

31:52

let's not be mean about that all

31:54

the god-dam time and like you know

31:57

killed Gideon finds his deity in his

31:59

purpose and you kill her in front

32:01

of him That sucked and I didn't

32:03

like that and they were like yeah

32:05

Yeah, that kind of yeah, and so

32:08

later on when they announced Bachelorette They're

32:10

like it by the way remember that

32:12

talk we had when you were in

32:14

the museum and telling us all about

32:16

the gods and stuff. We made you

32:19

a plains walker who is a guy

32:21

who sparks because of his divine ecstatic

32:23

experience because he the glory of Oketra

32:25

and he's finding his strength in his

32:27

faith in religion and this is a

32:30

thing that makes him a better person

32:32

to help bring other people together to

32:34

help bring joy and strength like all

32:36

the things I was telling him about

32:38

of like you know this is what

32:41

we we draw from this is a

32:43

well of of collective happiness and energy

32:45

that we can bring to each other.

32:47

And they're like, we liked that. So

32:49

we were like, this is a guy

32:52

who sparks happy. He does not have

32:54

a traumatic incident, but he sparked because

32:56

he was so overwhelmed with love and

32:58

wanted to spread his, like, you know,

33:00

the joy that he was given by

33:03

Oketra. And... The reason I know that

33:05

this was for me is like if

33:07

you look at that negative ability He

33:09

makes soldier tokens. Yeah, and that is

33:11

a very sheaven thing And I was

33:14

like all right that rules. So when

33:16

I saw the new bossry coming back

33:18

I would just like hell yeah, let's

33:20

go. I forgot him of course that

33:23

Oketra Keketri was the cat god. Yeah.

33:25

And so that's why Basri loved cats.

33:27

And that's why there's the new, uh,

33:29

the new god is Ketromos. Ketromos. Actually,

33:31

can we get a picture of Ketromos

33:34

up? I said we're to do a

33:36

full, I'm not going to do a

33:38

full story breakdown. Oh, I would also

33:40

like to just give, she, from the

33:42

runway to talk about any ketromos. has

33:45

Oketra's bow and he said he introduces

33:47

himself I am her son. Oh, I

33:49

have come to you for because of

33:51

your devotion bossry essentially. And is that

33:53

a destroyed Ronis's monument in the back?

33:56

Yeah, it's a Ronis's monument. Okay, sweet.

33:58

Probably. Maybe? I don't know. Or is

34:00

it? Half of a bolus horn, but

34:02

oh, it's probably half of a bolus

34:04

horn actually the other half Yeah, fair

34:07

okay, but I wanted to be a

34:09

runner's monkey me too Also, I pulled

34:11

this card in my PPR deck Doesn't

34:13

really work in limited No, I don't

34:15

know how you're gonna get some cards

34:18

I make work in standard, but it's

34:20

like but also let the past eyes

34:22

of the future might live is also

34:24

just relevant to this whole conversation Mm-hmm,

34:26

like let it go of Oketra in

34:29

Egyptian based on Jamie, I forget what

34:31

his actual name is, but the flavor

34:33

text writer who worked, who got to

34:35

name this card. And I don't know,

34:37

I was just like, I was so

34:40

stoked that A, they're bringing new God

34:42

to Amoket, B, we're getting a new

34:44

Oketra God, C, we're getting, you know,

34:46

and in the story, Bossari has a

34:49

moment with the deity, and I was

34:51

like, this. Magic has so few moments

34:53

of happiness and of just like, you

34:55

know, getting your reward and being like,

34:57

yeah, we did it, let's go and

35:00

adventure together. Well, I will say, from

35:02

a storytelling point of view, they all

35:04

sit around and head tea and eight

35:06

biscuits is great for them, but it's

35:08

not very exciting for us. Right. But

35:11

like, you know, Katermose is talking to

35:13

Chandra and, uh, uh, John Drenalar, and

35:15

he's like... Tell me about these other

35:17

worlds that exist. And I was like,

35:19

oh, yeah, let's go. Let's get Bossari

35:22

and some omen cats, omen paths with

35:24

Catramos going off to spread the word

35:26

of cats. Yes. But it's like, it's

35:28

so cool. And I think Bossari is

35:30

super cool. And I'm really excited for

35:33

the story. Like, the idea of the

35:35

omen paths and running through the omen

35:37

paths. And they were showing us like,

35:39

what are these like? Gateways look like

35:41

in the permanent gateway right because you

35:44

would have seen this a long time

35:46

before anybody else Oh my god, we

35:48

saw this stuff before we knew what

35:50

war of the spark was before war

35:52

of the spark had come out No

35:55

sure not war of the spark. No

35:57

worth it's not worth. March of the

35:59

machine was when I was working on

36:01

this and I'm just like oh No

36:03

way! What the hell's an omen path!

36:06

Oh my God! What happened? And then

36:08

they're like, yeah, if you tell anybody,

36:10

we will kill you. And I was

36:12

like... I mean, surely they meant in

36:15

the legal sense of all the NDAs.

36:17

They certainly did not offer to kill

36:19

me. We were, it's funny, because when

36:21

Kathleen and I were working on flavor

36:23

tax. for murders at Karloff Manor, right?

36:26

They were like, oh, also, there's this

36:28

guy named Kellen. He's there, don't worry

36:30

about that. He's got an adventure, don't

36:32

worry about it. And we're like. What

36:34

who is this character and they're like

36:37

just I was like I was like

36:39

I was like I need more tasting

36:41

notes if I'm gonna like tell me

36:43

what he's like if I'm gonna suggest

36:45

a name for him I didn't get

36:48

his I think I named the him

36:50

and his adventure in him though yeah

36:52

because it get because we didn't know

36:54

because we didn't know because we didn't

36:56

know because we didn't know because we

36:59

didn't know because we didn't know because

37:01

we didn't know like tell me about

37:03

because it's not going to March a

37:05

machine machine and I'm just like I'm

37:07

just like I'm just like I'm just

37:10

like I Oh, the Phorexians, oh, oh,

37:12

oh, their omen, oh, and it looked

37:14

so sick. I mean, you have to

37:16

assume at that point that if they're

37:18

going on, like, a fun, wacky races

37:21

between three different planes, that the Phorexians

37:23

did not succeed in taking over the

37:25

entire multiverse. I was very happy to

37:27

see this. Yeah. But, is there anything,

37:29

is there anything, is there anything, from

37:32

the, from the set, oh, that they

37:34

did also have Egyptian, Consultants come in

37:36

and talk about it because obviously Amokad

37:38

is not my especially, but I did

37:40

get to read the stories and just

37:43

give them kind of a vibe check.

37:45

They did not have any Frank Frazetta

37:47

pulp consultants though. I'm afraid Muriganda is

37:49

consultantless. No, no, no, O's representation. If

37:52

you like traditional. Kone in the barbarian

37:54

style stories the side story that is

37:56

set on Muruganda is red in the

37:58

style of a like a pulp. Oh,

38:00

it's so good. It's fun. Like I

38:03

appreciated this style point of view. I

38:05

don't love writing like that. I struggle

38:07

with it. I'm a huge pulp fan.

38:09

I was super here for it. It's

38:11

cool. I love that they're taking creative

38:14

risks and that they're leaning into this

38:16

and this is the kind of story

38:18

you get to tell when you're on

38:20

Mora Gonda and you summon your mighty

38:22

raptor and you do battle with a

38:25

strange beast the one thing I leave

38:27

their head with your acts yeah right

38:29

like that's what I want yeah right

38:31

like that's what I want I wanted

38:33

like good pulpy adventure fun and I

38:36

was super stoked to see that the

38:38

one thing I was sad about was

38:40

like I propose to them to make

38:42

a rickshaw a vehicle that you could

38:44

do in like If you go Google

38:47

like the way Indians go to school

38:49

in India and you see all the

38:51

little children hanging on this tiny three

38:53

wheels open scooter, it is the funniest

38:55

thing in the world. Or like, you

38:58

know, an ox cart. They have an

39:00

ox cart though, didn't they? I think

39:02

they made like an ox-driven cart of

39:04

some kind. I think. But I thought

39:06

it would be really funny to just

39:09

have like farm vehicles getting to go

39:11

racing. And Vin also looked super sick,

39:13

vixenics, whatever his name is, whatever his

39:15

name is. The eyeball. Oh, I ball

39:18

announcer. The Kylie M. Iball announcer, because

39:20

he is from. He's from. Sorry, they're

39:22

from. They're from. Manna Clash? No, what

39:24

was it called? The, yeah, it was.

39:26

I think I still have it installed.

39:29

There was this. It was the magic

39:31

online. Manna Strike. Manna Strike. The other

39:33

one. Shoot. I do not remember what

39:35

either of you were talking about. So,

39:37

okay. There was a mobile app that

39:40

Woodard made. They made this mobile app.

39:42

They basically sort of tried to make

39:44

like a. hearthstone adjacent version of Magic

39:46

the Gathering. It was interesting. And then

39:48

they worked on it for years, they

39:51

teased it once, then they didn't say

39:53

anything else about it, and then they

39:55

released it with zero fanfare or marketing.

39:57

It just came out one day, and

39:59

clearly the people who had been really

40:02

supporting it internally didn't work there anymore,

40:04

and no one cared about this thing,

40:06

and it just... died. But the people

40:08

that worked on the flavor text for

40:10

it, I know that Allison put so

40:13

much work. I know that other people

40:15

did as well, but Allison in particular

40:17

put it. a bunch of work into

40:19

the flavor of this thing because the

40:21

whole the whole idea was that you

40:24

play these planes walkers having like friendly

40:26

battles on kylem which is the setting

40:28

for battle bond and a character invented

40:30

for this app was the master of

40:32

ceremonies for these battles and it was

40:35

one of the humunculi and I can't

40:37

pronounce it but anyway the Vincegwitzzd. or

40:39

something. Anyway, so, they are now in

40:41

the set, which is exciting. It's V,

40:44

James, if you were able to find

40:46

it, I think it's V and something.

40:48

VX, isn't? VXN, VXN. It starts with

40:50

a V. It starts with a V.

40:52

It starts with a V. It's a

40:55

blue homunculus that starts with a V.

40:57

Yeah. It's stylish. So yeah. So this

40:59

character is from this app that like.

41:01

Lasted about three days like no I

41:03

did I got playing the I played

41:06

it I downloaded it. I played the

41:08

friends and family version of it It

41:10

was a lot of fun. It was

41:12

fine. It was fine. It was weird.

41:14

It was like really cool alternate art

41:17

Gideon I Remember with like full armor

41:19

there is Vinwixt Vinwixt Vurbose host One

41:21

in a blue for a zero four

41:23

legendary creature homunculus with start your engines

41:25

if you are at max speed then

41:28

if you would draw a card you

41:30

draw two cards instead and also just

41:32

statically you have no maximum hand size.

41:34

The card is kind of cool. Yeah.

41:36

Yeah but also we got like you

41:39

know pick the costume for him and

41:41

figure out what he's gonna look like

41:43

and they had all sorts of different

41:45

turbines and everything but it was just

41:47

super fun to be like working on.

41:50

what these backgrounds and what these little

41:52

story elements are that they can then

41:54

draw from to build Avish Carr out

41:56

because if they are like the story

41:58

is leading us to believe they're building

42:01

a new hub world of magic which

42:03

is going to kind of be based

42:05

around Avish Carr with all these because

42:07

Avi Carr wants to leverage its soft

42:10

power having all these stable omen pads

42:12

and its currency and food and everything

42:14

and spread its culture around that's why

42:16

they're having this race. What is the

42:18

currency of Avish Carr? It beats the

42:21

hell out of me. Oh, okay. Because

42:23

I had a throwaway line in my

42:25

law and order, too, where I was

42:27

trying to figure out what the currency

42:29

of Caledesh was. So I just, I

42:32

said, I said a Caledeshi consulate shit.

42:34

Yeah, something, I don't know. Something boring

42:36

for the consulate. You call it rupees,

42:38

it would be fun. But, you know,

42:40

we can say they're avish. I mean,

42:43

if I ever do another magic D&D

42:45

thing, I'll need to know what the

42:47

money is called. Yeah, I mean, I

42:49

would. I think Rupis is totally fine.

42:51

Avish Kari Rupis, perfect. But we don't

42:54

know. I mean, it could be in

42:56

the story and I could have just

42:58

glossed past it. However, it was just

43:00

neat. And like, the fact that they're

43:02

building this world out gives me hope

43:05

that they're going to go back and

43:07

give it a good full set treatment.

43:09

I was a little disappointed because it

43:11

is very very heavily race cars and

43:13

like very heavily on the like all

43:16

the cards are very much Thematically driving

43:18

cars and like you know all the

43:20

in jokes and those stick shift jokes

43:22

are like refueling your engines or what

43:24

it's very it could have been anywhere

43:27

in any plane car setting and that's

43:29

I mean I get it that's fair

43:31

and fine you built a driving set

43:33

and then you put it into these

43:36

locations for background flavor, which is cool.

43:38

And they fixed the background flavor, that

43:40

was wrong. And I think it's rad,

43:42

and I think it's really cool. I

43:44

would just like, oh, I would have

43:47

liked to have seen a real Avish

43:49

car set, but maybe later. You know,

43:51

Ketermose Willing, we will get more, and

43:53

it'll be really cool. Well, I mean,

43:55

it sounds like Avish car and Ravnica

43:58

have the same plan. Oh, yeah. Technologists?

44:00

Guilds versus gods. Well, there are no

44:02

gods on account. No, I was thinking

44:04

about my cat. But that would be

44:06

really sick title too for the new

44:09

Capena boxing. Guilds versus gods. So is

44:11

there anything from the set because at

44:13

time the this has been released the

44:15

whole set will be out is there

44:17

anything in particular that you wanted to

44:20

just pop off about just like oh

44:22

this card is cool for the yeah

44:24

so there's a card that's a scoreboard

44:26

or something like that yes like that's

44:28

a cool graffiti and I want to

44:31

show it off to the people oh

44:33

yeah I love this because I did

44:35

see they were talking about this yeah

44:37

the the they talked about the graffiti

44:39

because it's less so in North America

44:42

where it's treated very negatively but when

44:44

we've when we went to Magic-Con in

44:46

Barcelona and then took the train through

44:48

France and then when we were in

44:50

Berlin and went to Magic-Con in Amsterdam,

44:53

there's graffiti everywhere in cities. Cities just

44:55

have graffiti and it's not unattractive. It

44:57

kind of rocks. Yeah, it just adds

44:59

a little bit of a... it has

45:02

some visual texture. And I love that

45:04

the the art direction for this was

45:06

like, hey, Avish Carr is a... is

45:08

a huge, I mean, not the, the,

45:10

the, the, the, yeah, Guiripur is a

45:13

huge city. There's probably especially a huge

45:15

city that's just had a revolution. There's

45:17

probably going to be graffiti there and

45:19

if you remember from either of all

45:21

there were all those people tagging the

45:24

Revolutionary symbol all over the place Yeah,

45:26

that's what they were doing and all

45:28

the like the revolutionary cards and so

45:30

it makes sense that they would do

45:32

this but like on this card you

45:35

can see clearly I mean it's hard

45:37

because it's small Wizard has a full-sized

45:39

art of this but you can see

45:41

the script that they did there and

45:43

it just looks so sick so sick

45:46

and if you look Shmandro did in

45:48

one of the collector boosters, Shmandro did

45:50

the, what the hell was that card

45:52

though, the two one vigilance vehicle? Oh

45:54

shoot, I got a skyline something. Actually

45:57

yeah, if you can find the collector

45:59

booster version of that by Shmandro, it's

46:01

got the the graffiti boldly in the

46:03

background. Oh. And I think it looks

46:05

really, really cool. I love Shmandro. He

46:08

did the art for achievement. Wheeler Love

46:10

Magic. this like adorable cheapy little guy

46:12

riding on Cook shows back. But what

46:14

the hell is a card called Skye?

46:16

Air response unit. Air response unit. This

46:19

one is on is on Skyfall. Yes.

46:21

Yeah. Air response unit and Earth Rumbler

46:23

actually. Shmandru did both of these. If

46:25

you look at the back of Air

46:27

response unit. Big graffiti. Air response unit,

46:30

the two and a white three three

46:32

flying vigilance vehicle with crew one. If

46:34

you look at the back, it's a

46:36

softer thing just flying through. in front

46:39

of the giant wall where the graffiti

46:41

has been scattered all over the place.

46:43

And it's just that looks so cool.

46:45

It's so fluid looking at it. So

46:47

it feels like language that was developed

46:50

by a tagger. Like, you know, when

46:52

you look like French Korean, which was.

46:54

handmade by the Jossans to basically fit

46:56

the language the way it looks and

46:58

speaks, this tagging feels that same way.

47:01

And it's just very, very sick, very

47:03

fluid and very cool. And also, Earthrumbler

47:05

is just a sick card. And these

47:07

cards look gorgeous. The art is so

47:09

good, man. The art in the set,

47:12

it's so good. I'm like, just seeing

47:14

the gearholics again and seeing all the

47:16

filigree work and all the everything of

47:18

the set. The locks it on with

47:20

the little light bulbs on his tusks

47:23

would just look really cool. Oh yeah,

47:25

I love that detail. Yeah, and I

47:27

was like, that fits, that feels really

47:29

neat. Yeah, people are like, oh my

47:31

God, you made a cow that she

47:34

locks it on. It's like, yeah, well,

47:36

I understand why they didn't want to

47:38

go with elephants in the first place

47:40

because I was a little on the

47:42

fence about it myself, but then I'm

47:45

like. Locks it on are cool. Yeah.

47:47

And like as long as... And like

47:49

you said, they're not trying to make

47:51

it... Yeah, it doesn't have four arms,

47:53

it doesn't look like a god, it's

47:56

just a surveyor. Just a dude with

47:58

bulbs. And I'm like, this is sick.

48:00

What's the one that has the fully

48:02

like, there's another locks it on that

48:05

we've seen that has like, fully, like

48:07

full bulbs at the end of each

48:09

tusk? I remember, I don't remember the

48:11

name of it, but it's hot. I'm

48:13

still getting used to all the names

48:16

of this set. Right, because of course,

48:18

they're all new. When we're, when we're,

48:20

when we're, when we're, when we're, when

48:22

we're, when we're, when we're, when we're,

48:24

when we're, when we're, when we're recording

48:27

this. It hasn't come out yet, yet

48:29

has come out yet. We haven't had

48:31

the pea trailblazer, it's, it's, uh... Two

48:33

in a green for a three three

48:35

with trample which is already I'm in

48:38

Whenever this creature deals combat damage to

48:40

a player you get that many energy

48:42

and it has exhaust pace six energy

48:44

put two plus and plus encounters on

48:46

this creature Then draw cards equal to

48:49

the greatest power among creatures you control

48:51

so it's like a like the risk

48:53

cars expertise and think about looking how

48:55

much energy you can get off this

48:57

guy. It's so good. Yeah. This is

49:00

this is mess up actually is pretty

49:02

messed up. I played this is so

49:04

unrelated. I just played the the energy

49:06

commander deck. Satia. Yeah. Satia. Satia. Satia.

49:08

Satia. With like, oh. Satia. Satia. Yeah,

49:11

Satia. It's right here. Can you read?

49:13

No. Satia. Satia. Satia. Satia. Satia. Satia.

49:15

There's no ah there. There's, you can't

49:17

see my tattoo, but my tattoo literally

49:19

says Satia. So that's why I was

49:22

super stoked to see. And my guru

49:24

wrote it on my hand when I

49:26

was 18 years old. I got truth

49:28

and then on this side I've got

49:31

Bakati which means devotion. Cool. Yeah. Anyway,

49:33

so on EDSC, which you should watch

49:35

if you haven't seen it. It's a

49:37

very funny episode of EDSC. I was

49:39

like, okay, well I've never played this

49:42

deck before and I don't really play

49:44

with energy that much, but you know

49:46

what, I'm going to think big big.

49:48

Can I have an energy counter and

49:50

you know what, give me a D20?

49:53

I'm going to be optimistic and like

49:55

all the comments were like, oh honey,

49:57

you're going to need more than 20

49:59

baby. You need a bag of them

50:01

girl. Yeah, no, it was unhinged. I

50:04

was going to come to the PPR,

50:06

Gresseda Satya, but I did not have

50:08

enough time because reasons we got here

50:10

very quickly, short notice. I can put

50:12

it together, but man, that card and

50:15

that character are so cool. And I'm

50:17

so excited. I don't know. Any other

50:19

cards you particularly want to highlight that

50:21

you can think of off the top

50:23

of your head? Yeah, the new Saheli.

50:26

Saheli from the commander deck. If you

50:28

look at her, I think that's a

50:30

good place to probably call it, but

50:32

that's like, that card just. the artwork

50:34

is unbelievably good. This is Saheli radiant

50:37

creator. Yeah. One green, blue, red for

50:39

a 4-4 human artificer. Whenever this is

50:41

from the Pia Nalar deck. This is

50:43

the face of that deck. Oh, okay.

50:45

Whenever you cast an artificer or artifact,

50:48

you get one energy. At the beginning

50:50

of combat on your turn, you may

50:52

pay three energy. or Threnergy. And when

50:54

you do create a token that's a

50:57

copy of target permanent you control, except

50:59

it's a 5-5 artifact in addition to

51:01

its other types and has haste, sacrifice

51:03

it at the beginning of the next

51:05

instance. That is so messed. That is

51:08

so messed up. That is so messed

51:10

up. So Saheli's the face of the

51:12

deck? I thought, oh I thought it

51:14

was Pia, okay. I mean Pia is

51:16

cool too, Pia looks sick. I saw

51:19

that deck and it is my dream

51:21

teamer energy deck. It's like the one

51:23

I've been begging them to make forever

51:25

and I'm like, oh, this is all

51:27

I want in life. This is gonna

51:30

be something. Oh boy. But this Saheli,

51:32

when you look at her, they've changed

51:34

up her design a bit. They've given

51:36

her this really great ordiny. That's the

51:38

cloth that's around her neck. Bright green.

51:41

She's got greens and purples and vibrant

51:43

lavender. The color is much more like.

51:45

She's integrated green because like before she

51:47

was just red and blues, but now

51:49

she's integrated green because of her girlfriend

51:52

is hotly. You can see the feathers

51:54

on her shoulder there. But like, this

51:56

feels so much more Indian. This feels

51:58

so much more like what people wear.

52:00

And it's vibrant and cool. And like

52:03

I talked to them specifically about having.

52:05

that ordinary rounder because you if you're

52:07

walking around with a Punjabi suit in

52:09

India they would the the top being

52:11

the long kind of tunic and then

52:14

the pants that you see women wearing

52:16

North India they will always have this

52:18

shoulder cloth around the front of them

52:20

for modesty reasons because it kind of

52:23

just covers their bust area even though

52:25

they're wearing fully closed but it feels

52:27

like when you're wearing when you see

52:29

somebody wearing that kind of tunic and

52:31

pants without one it feels weird it

52:34

feels like Vaguely uncomfortable. It would be

52:36

like if somebody is wearing like a

52:38

three-piece suit with a vest, but they

52:40

don't have the shirt underneath. So it's

52:42

just vest jacket. And it's like, that's

52:45

not right. Honestly, this might just be

52:47

my age here. It's like watching somebody

52:49

wearing a suit and a dress shirt

52:51

buttoned all the way up, but no

52:53

tie. And I'm like, that's really just,

52:56

for me, that's very uncomfortable. I know

52:58

that it's just a style for people

53:00

to wear people to wear. The whole

53:02

design and the vibrancy of this artwork

53:04

and the artist Hernandez-Housa made her book

53:07

like an actual Indian person. And I'm

53:09

not saying the previous Sahelis didn't, they

53:11

definitely did, but this one feels like

53:13

you could see you're walking down the

53:15

street and I'm like, this rolls. This

53:18

is what I hope for. And I

53:20

gotta tell you man, I am. over

53:22

the moon about the changes that Watte

53:24

has made and about what it looked

53:26

like in practice in the set. I

53:29

think the foundation that they've laid and

53:31

what they came out with in ether

53:33

drift are just absolute bangers. And I

53:35

could not be more, I mean, real

53:37

talk, I spent a decade of my

53:40

life fighting to try to get Watte

53:42

to recognize that this was a problem.

53:44

And to recognize... that my culture is

53:46

not just a costume and that we

53:48

have things to add and things to

53:51

appreciate and they did and they listened

53:53

and they came to me and they

53:55

came to others in my community and

53:57

they got feedback and they followed through

54:00

and it Rules like this is everything

54:02

I wanted it to be. I'm unbelievably

54:04

stoked. I'm so happy. Yeah,

54:06

awesome. Well, thank you for

54:08

joining us today and for

54:10

telling us about how cool this all

54:12

is. This is so cool. It's so

54:15

cool. And also how sick is it

54:17

that I got to rename a plane? Yeah,

54:19

right. How cool is that? Come on. That's

54:21

so great. But that's going to do it

54:23

for this episode of Taptab Concede. If you

54:26

haven't checked out the PPR yet, that video

54:28

will be on this channel. So please do

54:30

give that a look. It's going to be,

54:32

we haven't done it yet when we're recording

54:35

this, but I know it's going to be

54:37

a fun time. And there's also a collector

54:39

booster video crack a pack with myself and

54:41

sheave them, so check that out too. And

54:44

when you're not doing all these things on

54:46

our channel. Where can people find your

54:48

stuff? Well, as it happened, I have

54:50

a podcast called Casual Magic, which even

54:52

thought that comes out every Tuesday. It's

54:54

an interview show where I talk to

54:57

people in and around the magic community,

54:59

and we talk about magic or not casually.

55:01

Sometimes it's just, hey, you play magic,

55:03

but we're just talking about stuff. It's

55:05

a really fun show, and I really

55:07

enjoy it. And also... I do a

55:09

show with one of your compatriots, Ben

55:12

Wheeler, we do a show called Sheaveman

55:14

Wheeler loved magic. Literally what it says

55:16

on the tin, where two dudes who

55:18

absolutely love everything about this game, take

55:21

a set at a time, every episode,

55:23

and just go through every cool card

55:25

in it for literal hours. And I

55:27

mean like... For like two to four to

55:30

six hours of just oh my god, dude,

55:32

do you remember this card? It's the coolest

55:34

card in the world. Holy crap. I love

55:36

that card dude. And then we got like

55:38

Shmandru to do artwork. We use a leftover

55:40

music track from the comic Alice soundtrack as

55:42

our opening song. It's it is literally just

55:44

a love affair to magic and we put

55:46

that out every other Monday. And then I'm

55:48

also on the The Chronicles of Dragon Last

55:51

podcast, because I really like to just hear

55:53

my talk talk. So- And you look Dragon

55:55

Lands. Yeah, and I love Dragon Lands, and

55:57

my friends, like, hey, you want to just read

55:59

these books and- talk about them. So we do a

56:01

show where we read Dragon Let's Books and talk

56:03

about them. Yeah. And you can also see

56:05

me on like half a dozen tap tap

56:08

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