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Coming up on All About Android,

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it's me, Jason Howell, joined by

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Ron Richards and Wyn Twitth-Dow, and

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we have a lot of news in this week's episode.

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That's normally the case, but this week it feels

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extra, so you're going to enjoy it. We

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have Google Authenticator finally doing cloud

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sync. Finally! So many

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people are going to be super happy about that

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news. BMW supporting Android's

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digital car key technology.

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That's kind of neat. OnePlus Pad,

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we get pricing and availability

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on that. You're not going to have to wait too long. And

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we kind of talk about how it compares to the Pixel

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tablet. It's just an interesting tablet

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time right now. Reddit ceases

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its free API access. What

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is that going to do to free Reddit apps on the

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Play Store? I tell you what, it's going to mess

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with their day, that's what. And your

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feedback. I know so much more coming

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Hello and welcome to All About Android,

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your weekly source for the latest news, hardware,

1:45

and apps. It's like

1:47

I need a third hand with a pointer

1:49

finger to like swoop in. Which

1:52

wouldn't be creepy. No, that would be weird.

1:55

For next week's episode, I will arrange

1:57

for Burke to be back there to go like...

1:59

that or something. No, I

2:02

won't. That would be really weird. I'm Jason Howell.

2:06

And I'm Ron Richards back in the chair. I'm

2:10

going to death. Still. Yes.

2:12

Still, still doing

2:14

the thing that's sometimes a little weird

2:16

when we start the show, but always

2:19

a good time, especially when I'm on

2:21

with both of you, although I have to say, so

2:23

Ron, you were missed. And

2:25

I had a great time hanging out with when

2:28

just, just the two of us. Oh, I'm so glad. Yes.

2:31

It was a lot of fun.

2:31

Mono, you mano. Wait, is that, is that

2:33

right? That works. I mean, it works for me. Mono

2:37

a woman. Oh, the

2:42

two for the two four episodes are always nice. Those

2:44

are when you get like kind of just two people and yeah,

2:46

it's indeed, I will say that, um,

2:49

that as I was walking the streets of Disney

2:51

world, uh, uh, last week, uh, on

2:53

Tuesday, I did have a nagging feeling that

2:55

I was supposed to be somewhere. And then I was like, oh,

2:57

write the show. Right? Like, like it's so

2:59

ingrained now. Like if I'm not on the show on Tuesday

3:02

nights, like it's like, it's almost like a muscle

3:04

memory. Like,

3:04

wait, I was just to be doing something. Like I feel like I forgot something.

3:07

Yeah. I sense the disturbance in

3:09

the forest. I need to be somewhere. Oh, wait, I

3:11

need to be a thunder mountain. Is that

3:13

one of the roller coasters? It is one of them. Okay.

3:16

I did. For, for a second there,

3:19

I thought maybe I was like conflating or, you

3:21

know, mixing up two different theme park

3:23

names for, for roller coasters. When

3:26

they got it when the ride caught fire,

3:29

I was, I was not, that was in Disneyland

3:31

and I was not the ride. And a ride did

3:33

not catch fire. The, a, a prop

3:36

in the sh in the nighttime show got fire. So,

3:38

okay. See, this is how fake news

3:41

spreads, Brooke.

3:42

Exactly. See, you, you

3:44

were, you were caught flat footed. Little

3:47

did you know that Ron, though he doesn't

3:49

do a podcast that's all about Disney

3:51

theme park news. I mean, he could based

3:54

on what he knows about them. I could. How

3:57

you intend for the, it has to be

3:59

malicious. Yeah. Yeah.

4:01

I'm not malicious in this sense at

4:04

all. That's true. That's true. Not

4:06

in this sense. Not in this sense. We'll give you a pass

4:09

this time. Well, it's good to have you

4:11

all here. It's good for you to join us.

4:14

Welcome to our comfortable

4:16

living room. Go ahead, have a seat. Pour

4:19

yourself a cup of coffee, maybe a tea. If

4:22

you want an orange juice, that's okay too,

4:24

because a lot of people listen to this in the morning. Whatever

4:26

you're drinking,

4:28

sit back and relax, enjoy

4:30

it, and let's get into the news.

4:34

Oh, all I got to say is I'm so on

4:36

this whole chat GPT bandwagon the

4:39

second I can write and speak by

4:41

Android news bits. Oh man. I

4:44

can't wait. Personally, I can't wait

4:46

to see what chat GPT does.

4:49

When you do that, are you going to train

4:52

it on your previous news bumpers and

4:54

then... No,

4:57

that would be not there.

4:59

What would the point be? Yeah, I don't know.

5:02

Maybe you could train it on Brian Burnett's or

5:04

Chad

5:04

or... No,

5:07

I don't believe we're going to have any training involved because

5:09

I don't really have anything good to train it on.

5:11

Okay. All right. Maybe

5:13

we just let chat GPT be chat GPT. I

5:15

mean, that's all robots want anyways. Just

5:18

let chat GPT be chat GPT. Listen,

5:21

sometimes you just got to let somebody be themselves

5:23

and you got to let chat GPT be chat GPT. Wow.

5:27

That is really weird to hear that chat GPT

5:29

be chat GPT. It's just

5:31

a lot of letters. Let's

5:34

not like Android. Okay. All

5:36

right. All right. We're dancing

5:38

around the news here. I think this is pretty cool. This

5:41

is certainly news

5:41

that a lot of people have been

5:43

waiting for because we've talked about two

5:46

factor authenticator apps in the past.

5:49

Definitely on this show. I use Authy. I

5:52

don't know if I'm supposed to out myself with,

5:54

with that kind of information from a security standpoint,

5:56

but I, and I've used it primarily

5:59

because it makes it easy because

6:01

of its cloud syncing to like

6:03

switch from device to device. And you know, I use

6:06

a lot of devices and so that keeps things easy

6:08

for me. Google Authenticator, I

6:10

probably would have used it if it had cloud connectivity

6:13

because it's a little closer to the Google thing, but

6:16

they haven't had it. Meanwhile, Google Authenticator

6:18

has been around since 2013, I believe. So

6:21

a very long time to not have this feature,

6:24

highly requested. And what am I getting

6:26

at? Well, they finally added it. Two factor authentication

6:28

codes now sync

6:29

with the Google account.

6:32

And it's actually pretty cool because when you set up

6:34

a new device, once you log into

6:36

that new device, the authenticator will be automatically

6:39

set up

6:40

with your account as well.

6:43

So kind of makes which I got to admit as

6:45

as some as somebody who uses Google Authenticator.

6:49

And every time I get a

6:51

new phone, I have to go through the process

6:54

of migrating my Google Authenticator

6:57

codes and accounts to the new phone.

7:00

And it's not a, honestly, it's not a bad

7:02

process. You just need that both phones and it opens

7:04

up a QR code. You open up a QR code

7:06

on the old phone, you scan it with the new code

7:08

and it's added. But account

7:11

syncing and

7:13

cloud management and stuff like that

7:16

would be welcome as an authenticator user.

7:19

So, and we went, I feel like earlier this year, Jason,

7:21

we had the 2FA, the

7:23

six weeks of talking about 2FA and everybody

7:25

promoting Authy because of this function. And

7:28

the only defense I had for Google Authenticator is that

7:30

I've been using it for years and it's the one that I've got

7:33

all them loaded in, just being too lazy to migrate

7:35

everything to Authy. So

7:37

now I don't have to. Yay. Well,

7:39

and I think it's about a very good point

7:41

that you point out. It is not

7:44

incredibly inconvenient.

7:46

Like if it's as much as pointing

7:49

a QR code and bloop your accounts are there, great.

7:51

Where this becomes a really

7:53

big deal is if someone steals

7:56

your phone or you lose

7:58

your phone and that phone.

7:59

has all of your authenticator,

8:02

your two-factor authenticator codes via

8:04

Google authenticator on it and there's no sinking

8:07

out of it, you have to go through great

8:09

lengths to kind of get there again. You

8:11

could actually find yourself in a really bad

8:14

situation very quick. So it's

8:16

kind of surprising to me that this hasn't

8:18

happened sooner. Burke, you were

8:21

definitely a slyly hinting

8:23

for the video viewers, the headline

8:25

or the subhead on the Verge article that

8:28

mentions something like

8:30

this, greater convenience comes

8:33

added risk. And that is of course the truth,

8:35

right? The easier, when you

8:38

intermingle security and easier

8:41

to use, you're usually kind of reducing

8:45

the layer of security or reducing the amount

8:47

of security you have when these

8:50

convenience features are added in.

8:52

But it's always a balanced game.

8:54

Like, are you willing to take

8:56

on a little bit more risk in order to keep these

8:58

things a little bit more secure

8:59

or a little bit easier to

9:02

access down the line? Yeah,

9:05

that's always the thing with these kinds of systems where the

9:07

more convenient is, especially with kind of sinking,

9:10

it does end up kind of reverting back

9:12

to a single point of failure. So if someone can break

9:14

into your Google account,

9:15

muy muy

9:18

malo, but you should be taking extra

9:21

steps anyway. And we've talked about some other

9:23

kind of Google account issues where you should just kind of

9:25

maybe just reevaluate your Google

9:28

account security and make sure it's super,

9:30

super tight, especially since we rely on them for everything.

9:33

Also in this article, it

9:35

says that account singing is indeed optional. So if

9:37

you're feeling like you don't want to,

9:39

if you're okay with the manual process

9:42

and you don't want to add that added

9:44

risk, you don't

9:46

have to.

9:46

You can say, no, thank you. Good point. No,

9:49

thanks. I'm going to say thank you because these are, you know,

9:51

at the end of the day, it's robots and we

9:53

want to set ourselves up for a soft landing

9:55

later. Yeah. Yep. So yeah, thank

9:57

you. Robot overlords.

9:59

So

10:02

yeah, that's good news. I know it's going to make a lot of people happy.

10:04

We've heard about this. I've, I do,

10:06

you know, I don't know how

10:08

many emails that we've gotten throughout

10:11

the years about this like cloud syncing

10:13

to, to FA and Google authenticator

10:16

issues. So we won't be getting those emails

10:18

anymore. Apparently that's okay. There's other things

10:21

to email us about like maybe

10:23

using your phone as a key for a car. This is just

10:25

a random

10:27

split second on the point

10:29

thing that I'm throwing out there with no real reason.

10:31

High in the sky and I'm like, Oh my God, wouldn't

10:33

it be cool if type thing or, you know, like

10:35

I, they'll never be able to do it. Yeah. Anyways,

10:39

so let's move on to the next story that has nothing to do

10:41

with what we just said. Because

10:44

BMW is actually bringing car key

10:46

support to Android and it's utilizing

10:49

UWB on hardware that supports it. That's

10:52

called digital car key plus and

10:55

support for pixel and galaxy phones running Android

10:57

13 to start. And

11:00

this is a direct quote. It says the vehicle can be

11:02

programmed to lock or unlock as

11:04

the customer approaches or walk away

11:06

with their device, just as a conventional vehicle

11:08

key with comfort access functionality. The

11:11

orchestrated welcome light display and light carpet

11:13

also function as with the physical key depending

11:15

on the vehicle, vehicle equipment. It's currently

11:17

supported on BMW is produced after November, 2022.

11:22

And now before you freak out over

11:24

this, they're already doing this with

11:26

key fobs,

11:27

right? Like so it's not like this is something like it's

11:29

like, Oh, what if somebody gets your phone

11:31

and then get into your car? What if somebody gets your key

11:34

fob? They can get in your, it's the same thing

11:36

as far as I'm concerned. So it's

11:38

like, I think this is really cool

11:40

and neat. So, uh,

11:42

but I don't have a BMW. So when

11:44

they bring it to Subaru, I'll be, I'll be paying attention.

11:47

I really appreciate you heading that off, Ron.

11:49

Like, Hey, everybody slow your role. There

11:51

was, this is already kind of a thing again

11:53

with security and having a thing

11:55

and keeping that thing safe so that your things don't

11:57

get stolen.

11:58

I wanted to.

11:59

kind of insert the word thing in there a few more times, but yeah,

12:02

totally good point. And this is kind of cool. I

12:04

wouldn't mind that for other cars. Yeah.

12:06

Just because, yeah, I always have, I

12:08

mean, if I tap to, cause imagine like, imagine the workflow

12:10

of like, you get out your car, you lock your car,

12:12

you unlock your car. You know, like we'd have to pay for like

12:15

a lot of things now. So it just seems like to make sense

12:17

that now I can use my phone to unlock the

12:19

car. I love it. So, uh, last

12:21

year we, we got a Tesla.

12:24

I don't talk about it very much. There's

12:26

like a small layer of change with

12:28

that because this was before the Elon Musk stuff

12:31

went, went full throttle. Do you need

12:33

a, do you need a top hat and a, do you want to twirl

12:35

your mustache? I've got a point.

12:37

I've got a point. Okay.

12:39

I didn't realize that I didn't realize

12:41

this cause you know, I didn't know in a Tesla before, but

12:44

they do it with the app. It

12:46

unlocks your car, but it doesn't use

12:48

ultra wideband. It uses Bluetooth. And

12:51

so I'm hoping that with this,

12:53

with UWB, it's better than

12:55

it is with the Tesla

12:58

using a Bluetooth because every

13:01

once in a while, like in my dry, in my flipping

13:03

driveway, I go out to the car and you,

13:05

you expect it to unlock and

13:07

it's locked. And I sit there for like 30

13:09

seconds, like, okay,

13:11

unlock the phone, launch the Tesla

13:14

app, make sure that it's connected to Bluetooth

13:17

tap the unlock button and then eventually

13:19

like the go beep beep and it unlocks and

13:21

it's just kind of annoying. So hopefully it

13:24

doesn't do that. And imagine how quickly

13:26

you could be in the phone. If you had just a piece

13:28

of metal cut in the shape of a key

13:30

that went in a little slot. Yeah, that's true.

13:32

But you can't even do that. They

13:34

give you a card. They give you this black card

13:36

that goes, I've used the card. Yeah. You know,

13:38

they're so afraid

13:39

of losing it. Yeah, exactly. But it's,

13:42

it's all the way in the wallet. And then I just get mad because I'm like,

13:44

no, I shouldn't have to use the card. Damn it. The

13:47

phone's supposed to work.

13:48

I went to a wedding at Joshua Tree

13:50

a couple of years ago and I flew

13:54

out to LA and then my, one of my best friends

13:56

lives in LA and he has a Tesla. So we all drove out

13:58

on his Tesla and then

13:59

was in the wedding party and I wasn't. So it was like,

14:02

oh, can you take the car and go do this and go get all

14:04

this sort of stuff and just handed me the key card.

14:06

And I was just like, what am I supposed to do with this? It was

14:08

like, oh, you just, you hold it up to the door

14:10

to open it. And I was just like, Oh God. I was

14:13

like, this is, just give me a key. But

14:15

I will say, you know,

14:18

having the key, having the comfort,

14:20

whatever they call it, what do they call that? Comfort accessibility

14:22

or whatever it is, um, comfort access

14:24

functionality. I mean, I do have a Subaru

14:27

and I just walk towards the car and it

14:29

beeps

14:29

and unlocks like, cause it knows it detects me.

14:32

So like, there's a way to make this work and balance

14:34

and not be so dependent on the technology. And

14:37

if anybody's going to figure it figured out, BMW will. So

14:39

yeah. Yeah. And you know, these are also

14:41

connected vehicles. Um, yeah,

14:44

I know that Tesla is, I'm assuming the BMW

14:46

is. So if someone really did, you

14:48

know, get my phone, get into

14:51

the vehicle and go somewhere, there are

14:53

ways to track these things, you know? So,

14:55

I mean, not that that's the

14:57

best, you know, kind of solution, but yeah,

15:00

exactly. There's a lot of technology in these

15:02

things now, including tracking where they're,

15:04

where they're going. So anyways,

15:07

if it's the future, it's the future. It is when

15:09

it works in my experience, when it works, it's

15:11

actually really great. And I'd say like 85, 90% of the

15:13

time it works. Just that 10%

15:17

of the time when I'm standing out in my driveway,

15:19

like a chump

15:19

with my phone, oh,

15:22

why isn't it unlocking? It just feels dumb,

15:24

you know? But anyways, uh,

15:26

so yay, there

15:27

you go. BMW. Good

15:29

job. And

15:32

now a different direction. We're going to veer

15:34

off into a new lane and go

15:36

in the direction of crashing apps. Oh,

15:40

wow. Okay. Um, yeah. So crashing

15:43

apps, much, much, much, much, much

15:45

more safe than crashing car.

15:47

There's not that way there. Um, yeah.

15:50

So, uh, crashing apps very often,

15:52

not all the time, but very often, uh, if you have

15:55

an app crash, hopefully the, the

15:57

lovely friendly dev behind it has already

15:59

gotten a.

15:59

out for it, but you may not know about it. Well, in

16:02

this case, Android and specifically the

16:04

Google Play Store now has a new feature that

16:06

is supported on Android 7 that's Nougat,

16:12

Android Nougat and above, where

16:15

if you have an app crash, Google

16:17

Play Services, or I presume

16:19

or Google Play Store rather, will be able to detect

16:22

if there is an update available and

16:25

it will actually send you a

16:27

message kind of

16:28

prompting you to try the update in response

16:30

to the crash. And this actually is super

16:32

valuable because very often, I mean, developers

16:35

become very, very well aware very,

16:38

very quickly when people are unhappy about

16:40

crashes. And we usually, I would like to say

16:42

most devs are trying very hard to fix that. And

16:44

then the problem just becomes communicating that the fix

16:47

is available. So this is actually super awesome.

16:50

And the fact that it is available all the way

16:52

down to Android 7 API 24,

16:54

25 for my dev

16:56

fam is pretty awesome.

16:58

Presumably it's because of Google Play

17:00

Services because it updates independently. But

17:02

yeah, I mean, just something that will

17:05

give you hopefully more options when you get a crash

17:07

instead of just crying or cursing.

17:09

Hopefully if there is an option to

17:11

update and hopefully if your neighborhood

17:14

friendly dev has created a fix,

17:16

you will be prompted and you'll kind

17:18

of be on your way hopefully to a more crash free experience.

17:22

Yeah, the pop up. Yeah, I

17:24

think you specified this, but just to kind of postulate

17:26

the pop up only appears if there

17:28

actually is an update waiting, which

17:31

is really great because like, you

17:33

know, when I have an app that crashes, I don't

17:35

automatically think, oh, maybe there's an update

17:38

that fixes this, but that fix might

17:40

actually be in that update. So

17:42

it's a great kind of reminder for someone to just hit

17:44

the button, boop. And you know, maybe

17:46

that ends up fixing the problem and they can move on with their

17:48

life and it saves you, the developer, from

17:51

receiving all of that feedback or those email,

17:53

those angry emails after the fact. So

17:57

yeah, I think it's a great little feature, you

17:59

know, kind of one of those.

17:59

kind of seemingly minor

18:02

quality of life improvements to the

18:04

OS that could have a pretty big impact

18:07

on the user experience and on the developer

18:09

experience.

18:10

It's kind of crazy why

18:14

there's this gap in communication

18:16

because so many times, we'll

18:19

see like a one-star review. We know that the

18:21

crashes are bad. We'll do our best to fix

18:23

it. And of course, we cannot communicate directly with

18:25

that person and be like, hey, can you update?

18:27

And we just hope that between presumably marketing, if

18:31

you're lucky to have it at your

18:34

job or that

18:36

people just

18:37

check for updates. But understandably, actually, I know

18:39

even when I have an app that crashes, I

18:41

don't really actually check the Play Store for updates. So

18:44

that's always been a gap.

18:45

I don't know why. It's just brilliant. It

18:48

just makes so much sense. And I don't know

18:50

why we didn't do this before, but yeah, totally. Very,

18:52

very, very often, the

18:54

first thing that if you contact your dev will

18:56

do, they'll say, like, are you up to date on the latest

18:58

version? Right. So there we go. It's

19:01

like the patent did you turn it off and back on again? Turn

19:03

it off and on again. That's the exact developer world. Yeah.

19:05

So there you go. Running

19:08

the most current version of the app. No, start

19:10

there, then let me know. Yes. Kind

19:13

of first and foremost. So

19:15

yeah, good stuff. Happy to hear it. All

19:18

right. Let's take a break and

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19:22

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about Android,

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Android, Android. And

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now it's time for hardware.

23:13

We need more drama on this show. I would

23:15

like to add a little reverb to your mic if we can. Yes,

23:19

please. You've got a little echo, a little, yeah,

23:22

a little trouble. Now it's time for hardware.

23:25

I think, I think if we can just get Jason, like one

23:27

of those, like a guitar foot pedal, multi-effects

23:33

unit, six different push buttons.

23:35

I think I know something.

23:40

Yeah, probably me. I probably have those

23:43

at home. You don't act. I know that

23:45

sounds really cool, Ram, but you don't want that. Not

23:47

on a podcast. I know. Not really. I know. It's

23:49

true. It'd be cool to watch though. The

23:51

podcast more, more like a Motley

23:54

crew. Yeah. Maybe

23:56

I'd have like a, a digital turntable.

23:58

So every once in a while we'd say something and I'd like.

23:59

We need to put the whole desk

24:02

on that rig. Wasn't

24:05

the drummer of Motley Crude? Didn't he have a rig? What

24:09

was that? Go upside down. That was Def Leppard. Def

24:11

Leppard. That was Def Leppard. My

24:14

bad. The floating drum

24:16

rack that would go upside down

24:18

and everything.

24:19

Yeah, my bad. We can do

24:21

that in here. We've totally got the room and I know

24:24

that Burke has nothing better to do than

24:26

to build something like that, right, Burke?

24:28

Oh, I'm totally on it. Okay. Like second

24:31

shot. Top priority. I know we've got Google

24:33

IO coming up here in a couple of weeks, but this is priority.

24:35

I don't know about rotating. Yeah. Yeah.

24:38

Okay. Well, you know, anyway, we'll start small. All

24:40

right. Well, let's talk about something Android specific. That's

24:43

interesting because I think high on our

24:45

list of things that we've wanted has been

24:47

a pixel foldable, correct?

24:49

I mean, that's something that I know we've

24:52

been talking about. Jason, I feel like Jason, when we've been

24:54

talking about for the past year of the rumors of pixel

24:56

foldable and all that sort of stuff. IO

24:58

is a mere two weeks away. Speaking

25:01

of which Jason, we didn't even mention, I'm

25:03

happy to report to everyone that I will be at Google IO

25:06

this year for the first time. My,

25:09

my years, I will be there

25:11

in mountain view with

25:13

wind with Jason with flow with Michelle

25:15

with everybody. Like, I'm very excited. We're all going to

25:17

be there. It's going to be a blast. Awesome. And

25:20

I'm really, I'm really excited to see the pixel fold because

25:22

pretty sure they're going to show it because here enough,

25:25

a leak has happened. Pixel

25:27

leaks continue. The prolific

25:30

leaker Cuba

25:30

Wojciechowski has

25:32

a video of the pixel fold basically

25:35

folding and unfolding. There

25:37

it is. If you're watching the video

25:39

video version of the show, you can see the pixel fold

25:42

folding and unfolding. Oh, there it is.

25:44

It's folding and it's unfolding.

25:46

Look at it. And sure enough, yeah.

25:49

And it's unfolding and sure enough, people

25:51

who have seen it are now making fun of it because

25:54

of the bezels that are visible inside.

25:58

And as for cameras, apparently it's got a.

25:59

48 megapixel primary character on

26:02

the back with it with it. I never

26:04

can say this right. F slash one point seven.

26:06

What is the aperture? What is what is the right way to say that? F

26:08

to one point seven. F

26:10

to one point seven. Apple's ear. Yeah,

26:12

something something like that. Oh,

26:15

oh, I asked and an 82 degree field of view. So

26:19

that's our sneak peek at the at

26:22

the pixel foldable. But wait, it doesn't

26:24

stop there. The other

26:26

hotly anticipated piece of hardware coming from Google

26:28

is, of course, the pixel tablet, which we've

26:31

seen like Google's already shown us that we know it's

26:33

coming right. But if you're

26:35

looking for something to leak about the pixel tablet,

26:37

what's left other than pricing? Pricing

26:40

leaks, according to WinFutures, Roland Quant

26:43

says that pricing looks like 600 to 650 euros,

26:47

which what is that in American? That's roughly about what is

26:49

a 600 euro. 650 euros. It's 658.

26:52

Yeah. So so $658 is 700. Yeah.

26:55

Which is a price pricey

26:57

for a tablet, my friends. And

27:00

he says that that will come in 128 gigabyte and 256 gigabyte configurations.

27:05

And the

27:06

pixel tablet dock, which we also know exists

27:09

leaked on Amazon. It looks

27:11

a lot like the Nest Hub base, which isn't a surprise.

27:14

And it's got four connection pins that connect to the tablet.

27:17

And the Amazon listing showed a price

27:19

of one hundred and thirty dollars. So

27:22

there you go. Pixel foldable. What

27:25

do you guys think? You think that Google is going to

27:27

be mocked for their entry into the foldable space because

27:29

of all the bezels or what?

27:31

I don't know. Well, yes,

27:33

they're going to be mocked. That's just going to happen

27:36

no matter what. No matter what. Unfortunately.

27:39

I mean, I mean, the tablet also

27:41

has a bezel. It's just a bezel full. It's

27:43

a bezel full generation of hardware.

27:46

I don't care, honestly. Like I.

27:48

It's

27:48

a bezel full bounty is what it is. A

27:52

bounty of bezels is that

27:54

bounty of bezels is probably like the flock,

27:57

whatever the plural word for that I

27:59

to be to be. honest, I really, this

28:02

is just my personal preference or lack

28:04

thereof. I don't necessarily care about bezels

28:07

that much. And when you have that

28:09

much horizontal space,

28:11

I'm not going to care about two, like an extra

28:14

millimeter, two millimeters at the top or bottom seriously.

28:16

Like, I mean, I am not, I'm

28:19

very bezel. I'm very bezel immune now.

28:21

So I, I mean, and

28:23

also I just look at it like, I mean, a flow and I've talked

28:25

about how narrow the, the pics of the

28:28

Z fold for, you know, closed

28:30

is so that that front screen is just barely usable.

28:33

Like how nice and wide like

28:35

the fronts, you know, the, the folded version of the

28:37

pixel fold is. And then that just results in

28:39

more horizontal space. So

28:41

yeah, don't care.

28:43

Also, also the pinhole camera

28:46

on the Z fold for no good.

28:48

So it's kind

28:50

of, it's kind of muddy and gross. So isn't, isn't it under

28:53

display that that camera is under display?

28:55

Like, yeah, it's under

28:57

display. So I think that contributes to the

28:59

antiness of it. So I'm like, here, just get, take,

29:02

give me, I'll give you a bezel, give me a better,

29:04

um, inner

29:06

camera. Doesn't bother me, but that's

29:08

just me. It's cool. If you don't like bezels.

29:11

I don't mind. I know, I know that we

29:13

go through a lot of transformations on this show

29:15

in real time over the years. And as trends

29:17

happen, our tastes change

29:20

and everything. I know that there was a time where I

29:22

was very anti bezel and everything,

29:24

but like seeing this news, I really

29:27

couldn't care less

29:29

to be honest. You know, like, okay,

29:32

so it's got a little bit thicker of bezels. Is that really

29:34

the hill that we're all going to die on now?

29:36

I don't know. Whatever. I think I'm

29:38

interested. I'm very curious to see this phone.

29:40

And, uh, but I also really

29:43

like Google's hardware, even though, you know, on the

29:45

market, on the market level, Google

29:47

doesn't, you know, pose any threat

29:50

to anyone that's really doing a lot with

29:52

phones right now, Samsung, Apple,

29:54

like Google's not really posing any threat with

29:57

any of their, their hardware, but

29:59

I'm happy that they're doing well.

29:59

they're doing and I'm uh you know

30:02

I'm sure the next one's gonna have less bezel

30:04

and you'll be happy but yeah

30:06

I'm looking forward to it. I do think that

30:09

the tablet price

30:11

and then the dock

30:13

like we were talking about this a little bit last week

30:16

on This Week in Google because we had this news

30:18

then and pricing

30:22

what we have right now is a nest hub

30:24

right you know 100, 200 dollars for kind

30:27

of the comparable of this

30:29

pixel tablet and the dock that

30:32

would be you know

30:33

I I'm guessing the Ted the tablet itself

30:35

is probably going to be more like five, five, fifty

30:38

six maybe depending on the configuration

30:41

but then you add on another 120 or 130 for that that dock and this

30:43

thing's supposed

30:46

to kind of be like it's like a nest hub but

30:48

it's also a tablet like they

30:50

better be selling it as a tablet

30:52

and it does the nest hubby things yeah

30:54

and not the other way around because a hundred two

30:56

hundred dollars compared to six to seven hundred dollars

30:59

a big swing in price agreed

31:01

at 650 to seven

31:04

hundred dollars in price that's got to be

31:06

a tablet that that that blows me away in

31:09

terms of what the experience is yeah it all works

31:12

and and also it can be this

31:14

hub and it can be this home control and stuff like

31:16

that I do not want a home control

31:18

that can snap off and become a tablet and do

31:20

you know like it's got to be focused

31:22

on what the tablet experience is like and that comes

31:24

with and this is the developers we've worked

31:26

with who've made apps to make

31:28

the pixel tablet experience better than

31:31

any other tablet experience you've ever had that's

31:33

an absolute requirement for me at that point yeah

31:36

yeah

31:36

but again I'm curious I mean it looks like

31:38

a nice piece of hardware I you

31:41

know I wonder how how

31:43

much I

31:45

it's been a while since I've used the tablet

31:47

with any sort of regularity and so I'm curious

31:50

you know like is this going will

31:52

this be a device that kind of pulls me back into

31:54

it I don't know reigns to

31:56

be seen I love my Lenovo I love my tab

31:58

I've been using it more than ever because I've

31:59

brought it on the vacation last

32:02

week. And yeah, great for those three.

32:04

Well, I ended up reading the kids'

32:07

bedtime stories with it. Like there was a free, you know,

32:09

Google books that are free Disney bedtime stories

32:12

thing. So I used that. And so I've been using it more

32:14

and more. And, you know,

32:16

and, you know, middle-y I will say that like

32:19

the, you know, the majority of my usage of

32:21

the tablet is basically like as a Kindle,

32:23

as a reading device, you know, I use it to read books, you

32:25

know, in bed, but I've lately been reading,

32:28

I'm reading the oral history of Hollywood, which is

32:30

like three inches thick. And so it's actual book. Oh,

32:32

that sounds fun. Yeah, it was fun. It's

32:35

really good. But, but

32:37

I'm, I'm excited to finish that book and get back

32:40

to using the tablet for the things that I use for it

32:42

for. And, you know, everybody says, oh, uses

32:44

immediate device. I rarely use this immediate device really.

32:47

You know, now that I don't go to a, a physical,

32:49

now that I don't, don't go to a gym to go work

32:51

out or run on a treadmill or anything like that. Like

32:53

I have a treadmill with a tablet

32:56

integrated into the treadmill so I can watch TV

32:58

that way and that sort of thing. But

33:00

I still, I still dream the tablet

33:03

dream of a productivity device of something where

33:05

I can, you know, do email and work on it and all that

33:07

sort of stuff that isn't quite a Chromebook, you know,

33:09

that is a little more flexibility, but

33:11

it's not, you know, mainly cause I'm

33:13

still stuck at home, but it's not totally folded into my workflow

33:15

as of yet. So, I mean, I'll be right

33:18

there on day one for that pixel tablet, although 700

33:20

bucks is way more than I, you know, for me, the

33:22

tablet sweet spot is like

33:25

max price three, 350. That's

33:29

personally for me. I know the iPad Pro goes much,

33:31

is much more expensive. It's north of 500 and

33:33

all that sort of stuff. But, you know,

33:36

for me, I feel like the nature of the device,

33:39

it's a cheaper device. It's a sub $500

33:41

device.

33:43

Yeah. It'll be interesting.

33:45

Looking forward to it. Before

33:48

we venture onward, I

33:50

don't know if you saw it in the Doc Burke, but

33:53

it's time for some- Ooh, we got some breaking news. We got some breaking

33:55

news. Let's do it. Throw

33:58

that bumper onto the screen.

33:59

fill our ears with its wonder

34:03

as you wonder what is the breaking news, just

34:06

more like a correction than a breaking news.

34:08

But, so maybe I'm over overplaying it, but

34:10

it was actually Motley crew that did the

34:12

upside down drum thing. There we go.

34:14

Good to get it clarified. Yeah. Yeah. It's

34:17

important to call it out. You're getting, you're getting

34:19

ahead of, you're getting ahead of the, the, the tidal

34:21

wave of emails that we were going to get. That's basically what I'm doing.

34:23

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know people

34:25

are going to write in, although when you pointed out,

34:27

you know, isn't that like, don't

34:29

a lot of drummers do that. I feel yeah.

34:32

And in the eighties to nineties, there, there was

34:34

a lot of, I feel like drummer,

34:36

drummer, hamster wheels or drummer rigs,

34:39

whatever. What is that? Is there, there was, what's the name of the

34:41

ride that did that anyway? Yes. It

34:44

was a lucky guess on my

34:45

part. I'm

34:48

sure you're right. I mean, Tommy Lee couldn't be the

34:50

only innovator in the drumming world, uh,

34:52

drumming upside down. So, but

34:55

if there was a band to do it, Molly Crew, I believe

34:57

it. So anyways, um, when

35:00

you've got the next actual Android related,

35:02

uh, news to talk about.

35:04

Yes. And the foldable fund does not

35:06

stop around here because good old

35:09

Motorola who has been in the foldable game

35:11

longer than Google has, has

35:14

recently given a teeny

35:16

tiny peaky weeky of the 2023

35:18

razor. This

35:21

is the teaser-iest of teasers.

35:23

Like the, the actual official video is really just

35:26

the, the, the glimpse of

35:28

a silhouette of the razor.

35:31

Um, but, uh,

35:33

it is, it is

35:34

upcoming, likely releasing in June.

35:37

And yeah, here we go. Um, let's

35:40

check out that, uh, for, uh, video stream.

35:42

Oh, you can kind of just check out lines,

35:44

outlines. Oh, wow. Two

35:46

circles.

35:48

Yeah. I saw those problems. Um,

35:51

as, as, as, as ungratifying

35:53

as that teaser is, it does seem like

35:56

some previous renders that we talked about

35:58

are going to be somewhat accurate.

35:59

accurate in that this new version is

36:02

a big step up. So it's kind of been like a really interesting

36:04

like evolution of the Razer,

36:06

you know, smartphone foldable in the last few

36:08

years. Like it launched in 2019 with

36:11

the kind of throwback,

36:13

you know, a recreation of the old school

36:16

Razer phone, which a lot of us found so cool

36:18

on which the smartphone version of which I have somewhere

36:20

in this drawer. But you know, people didn't really respond

36:22

to that too much. And then they kind of revamped

36:25

it again to be more very

36:27

much like the Z Flip 4 with a little kind

36:29

of smaller kind of one

36:31

inch display at the bottom kind of around the cameras.

36:34

And now with the 2023, if the

36:36

rumors are true, and we're pretty sure they are, this will

36:39

be an entire screen won't cover

36:41

the entire front cover,

36:42

including kind of wrapping around the

36:44

cameras in the front. And it will presumably

36:47

be like something like a number. Yeah, there

36:49

actually was a a

36:50

post a leak by

36:53

a Motorola executive, I think on

36:55

Weibo, where he actually did specifically

36:58

say that

36:58

is he going to be a 3.5 inches screen on the outside?

37:03

So, I mean, compare this. Yeah, there we go. I

37:05

can't actually find this post anymore. I don't know if it's because I don't

37:07

have a Weibo

37:08

account or something. But yes,

37:11

it sounds like yes, it indeed will be this kind

37:13

of large screen that that

37:15

takes up the entire outer cover of the phone

37:17

when folded. So compare this to the Oppo

37:21

Find N2 Flip, which I know Flo

37:23

talked about as well, which is 3.26 and is

37:25

in the form of like a mini smartphone on the

37:27

outside of the cover. And of course, compare it to

37:30

the Z Flip 4, which only has that it a little 1.9

37:32

inch screen kind

37:34

of at the bottom around the cameras. And

37:36

you can see like this is how Razer is trying to distinguish themselves

37:39

in the foldable or in the flipable

37:41

space.

37:45

But if you don't need all that screen and

37:47

you're kind of feeling a little more

37:50

something smaller but still functional,

37:52

there will be a Razer Lite version that

37:55

is still mimicking that

37:57

Galaxy Z Flip 4 style.

37:59

with the very small, you know, one,

38:02

one in something, something, inches screen at the bottom.

38:05

So there you go. There's going to be two

38:07

flip bowls. There'll be one. There'll

38:09

be the razor and

38:11

then there'll be like a butter knife would

38:13

be the other. Yeah.

38:16

Yeah. Marketing. You got that one

38:18

for free Motorola. There you

38:21

go. Um, okay. Oh, is that the smaller

38:23

one? It's kind of like the little, a little glass

38:26

and enough room for a handful

38:28

of like a small collection of things or maybe

38:30

a clock or something. Very,

38:32

very, very Z flip forie. I mean, that's

38:34

pretty much it's like,

38:35

they're basically giving you a Z flip for and

38:37

a little something, something extra and new for

38:39

all of us that are still like, eh, you know, kind of

38:42

the kind of that are skeptical about razor's

38:44

current flippable offerings. They're

38:47

trying to just leapfrog over the competition,

38:49

which is great, which is, which is what we want to see more

38:52

foldables, more flipables, more different form

38:54

factors.

38:54

Yeah. Tons of fun.

38:56

Tons of fun. You know, Motorola has

38:59

been doing this razor thing now for a few years. They've, they've

39:01

got, even Motorola has the jump on Google when

39:03

it comes to foldables. Yeah, man. So

39:06

it's interesting, interesting

39:09

to see where it's all heading. And speaking

39:11

of the jump on other manufacturers, I don't know, horrible

39:14

segue one plus, uh, we've

39:17

talked about has

39:19

a tablet coming out soon and actually we have

39:22

more information on the OnePlus pad. So

39:25

this would be OnePlus's first tablet

39:26

entry. And, uh,

39:28

turns out we have cost, we

39:31

have release date details presale this Friday.

39:35

That is April 28th. Uh, you can

39:37

buy it, uh, and presale for $479 via

39:39

OnePlus direct. And

39:44

then, um, they will also have

39:47

some other, um, attachments for

39:49

it or accessories for $149

39:50

for a million. Keyboard

39:52

option that has an integrated track pad. That's

39:55

what you see if you're watching the video version.

39:59

that actually looks pretty slick. It's pretty track. Yeah,

40:02

it's a nice combo there. A $99

40:05

stylus. So

40:08

if you need a stylus, there you go. $39 Folio

40:11

case if you don't need the, if you want the case,

40:13

but you don't need the keyboard with it.

40:16

And then this is all going to ship on May

40:18

8th via OnePlus. If you do

40:20

pre-order before May 8th,

40:23

you get a 50% off

40:26

a OnePlus Buds Pro 2 earbuds.

40:31

So if you pre-order and you were already

40:33

thinking of getting OnePlus Buds Pro 2,

40:36

that's a really good deal. Jackpot. If

40:39

you weren't going to get those things, then they're just just

40:41

understand they're getting more money out of you.

40:44

That's what's actually happened there. So just

40:46

keep that in mind. But anyway,

40:48

so that's the OnePlus pad. So soon

40:51

we're going to be flush with tablets.

40:53

And look at the point there that I'm saying

40:55

is that, you know, the OnePlus tablet 479,

40:58

right? Like, I don't know. I

41:00

don't know. You know, like, you

41:03

know, and now admittedly, you know, $149 magnetic keyboard, $99 style,

41:06

it starts to, it feels like you're, you're, you're

41:08

flying a discount airline. But,

41:11

you know, we'll see if Pixel throws

41:13

all that stuff in to justify the high price point

41:16

or not. But I just, again,

41:18

I feel like the Android tablet space is 250 to 500. That's

41:22

the sweet spot. Yeah.

41:23

Yeah. I would

41:25

agree. I feel like if it's, yeah, if it's 600

41:27

and above, I mean, Samsung does have that. They have

41:29

their tablets that are, that are more expensive and

41:32

they're amazing tablets. Like they're actually really,

41:35

really great. But how

41:37

many people are in the market for an Android tablet

41:39

that costs $800? Like, right. Exactly.

41:42

I think that it's pretty small.

41:44

I know a lot of people that are Android users, but still

41:46

when it comes to a large screen, you

41:48

know, kind of higher end tablet, people tend

41:50

to still drift for the iPad pro, especially

41:52

with like the pencil integration. It just feels like

41:54

a more established story and product.

41:57

And so what, I mean, honestly, I

41:59

mean, it's

41:59

I mean, it is nice when things

42:02

work altogether, but

42:04

in the Android world, it's probably an easier sell for

42:06

us to kind of have that one iPad device rather

42:08

than other way around, so. Yeah.

42:12

Now, if we were gonna get emails about anything, we're probably

42:14

getting emails about that. So, AAA and

42:17

Twitch on TV, if you have thoughts, we would

42:19

love to hear that. Not about Motley Crue

42:21

or Def Leppard. Yeah, yeah, we don't need any

42:23

more of Motley Crue or Def Leppard on this show. That's

42:26

for post-show, you better believe it. Exactly.

42:29

Coming up next, some app news.

42:32

This

43:00

drummer on this song is definitely

43:02

not upside

43:02

down.

43:16

That's a little too muted for upside down,

43:18

right? He's like,

43:22

anyways, come in. Now

43:24

that one may be actually upside down. All

43:26

right, when you got the first one, save me.

43:28

All right, well, we're

43:30

gonna talk about Reddit client apps

43:33

now. And now there's a wide swath and

43:35

a long history of Reddit

43:37

clients, both official and unofficial. I

43:41

mean, I've used premium ones for years

43:43

and typically, premium ones have ads and

43:45

then often they'll have a one-time fee to remove

43:48

ads. Reddit has

43:50

their own official app, which has some amazing developers

43:52

on it. Hi, guys. Friends of, not

43:55

the show, but me. But of course, for

43:58

those

43:58

that aren't on the,

43:59

the official app. And somebody to note is that it is

44:02

a $5.99 a month subscription

44:04

for premium features and rooms out. So you can kind

44:07

of see that there's a lot of like, you know, a lot in the Reddit

44:09

client ecosystem there between third party

44:11

apps and official apps. Well, there

44:13

might be a bit of a shakeup in that ecosystem

44:16

or I don't know, like an asteroid, like the

44:18

one that the dinosaurs kind of get like nuked

44:20

by coming in because Reddit

44:22

has announced

44:24

a significant change to

44:26

its API and terms of use.

44:28

And basically Reddit is going to start charging

44:30

devs for access to the platform API. And

44:33

this charge will be based on the

44:35

app's overall usage. So how much does

44:37

a given app actually hit the API? So

44:40

the details are not finalized yet, but

44:42

Reddit says it will be quote, reasonable with pricing

44:45

and not prohibitively expensive.

44:48

They are further quoted as saying the goal is not

44:50

to make this inherently a big profit

44:52

center, but to cover both the

44:54

costs of usage as well as the

44:56

opportunity costs of users not using

44:58

the official app, loss, ad viewing, et cetera. So

45:01

I mean, it's hard to see, you

45:04

know, third party free Reddit apps continuing

45:06

after this. There's going to be like very, I mean, they're

45:09

not going to have, there's

45:11

not a lot of incentive now when you have to pay

45:13

for the cost of API to release a free

45:15

app, but that still leaves

45:17

room for certainly, you know, premium

45:20

Reddit apps like Apollo, for example, a

45:22

Reddit client developed by Christian Selig, which

45:25

does have an Apollo Ultra premium

45:27

subscription version. And Selig himself has said

45:29

that, you know, he plans to kill the free version, but keep

45:31

Apollo Ultra going. And

45:34

to kind of offset the sting,

45:36

I guess, of having devs actually

45:38

pay for the Reddit API,

45:40

Reddit says they intend to actually broaden

45:43

the API so that, so that

45:45

devs can actually access premium features. For example,

45:48

in the future when this API is paid

45:50

for, devs could even include things like Reddit

45:52

chat, which they, which previously they can't now. So

45:54

they're trying to kind of offset it, like, okay, if you actually

45:57

pay for,

45:58

you know, Reddit

46:00

API is not just that you're paying for

46:02

what you got, but we'll try to sweeten the pie by

46:04

actually giving you a more fully featured API.

46:08

And just to put a little flavor on it, Christian

46:11

Selleck of Apollo did actually go into

46:13

a

46:14

lot of planet

46:16

questioning and asking specifics

46:18

from Reddit. And just

46:20

to paraphrase, he is relatively

46:23

positive. He said this could be a positive change if done well

46:25

and reasonably. And

46:28

he does state that it provides a mean for third

46:30

party apps to have a stable, consistent, and future looking

46:33

relationship with Reddit. Of course, it

46:35

does ride on whether

46:37

the final pricing is reasonable, whatever

46:40

that means. So I know

46:42

I have feelings about this, but what

46:45

do you

46:45

all think? Oh, I know you do. I

46:48

figured you would. I do. But

46:51

I don't know. What do you all think? Would

46:53

you be sad or disappointed if, say,

46:55

you're theoretical, hypothetical,

46:57

like, Reddit free client

46:59

died? I mean, it

47:02

definitely echoes what's

47:04

going on in the social media space

47:07

on Twitter, right? I mean, for sure. You know,

47:09

where my preferred timing. Yeah,

47:11

totally. The timing is very similar to that. My

47:14

preferred Twitter client, Talon, went

47:16

the way of the dodo because Twitter decided

47:18

to shut off their API and all that sort of stuff. And

47:22

it's a tough thing because the, I don't

47:24

know what the word

47:27

I'm looking for, but the egotarian decentralized

47:31

internet that we all love and it's built on APIs

47:34

and services and we can innovate and stuff like that

47:37

is great, but it's also a bit of a

47:39

non-capitalist pipe dream. And

47:43

ultimately the platforms control

47:45

themselves. And if they decide they want

47:47

to shut off their API so they can control

47:49

the experience to achieve some business

47:51

goal,

47:52

that's, you know, we might not like it, but

47:55

that's up to their own. It's

47:58

the same with speed.

47:59

on the platform and everything. I mean, at the end of

48:02

the day, it is a business and

48:04

that business within the confines

48:06

of what's legal, the law, can

48:09

choose to do whatever they kind of

48:11

want to with the business

48:13

for better or for worse, as far as the users are concerned.

48:20

Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

48:22

yes, if I was a user of a free

48:24

Reddit app, like a hardcore user of a

48:27

free Reddit app, and I found that the Reddit

48:29

app was going away because of this, of

48:32

course I'd be upset. If I

48:34

was a, if, you know, I don't know what it's like to be

48:36

a developer, but I imagine if I was a developer

48:38

with a free Reddit app, I'd be pretty pissed.

48:42

But at the same time, like I get

48:45

it. Like I understand, like at the

48:47

end of the day, the Reddit is a business. They

48:49

do make money off of ads that it

48:51

sounds like on these third party apps, they're not

48:53

able to make that money. And

48:56

so through that lens alone,

48:58

the fact that it's been the way that it

49:00

has been for as long as it has been is

49:02

kind of

49:03

interesting. It's kind of astounding, but of course they

49:05

have ambitions now. They want to, you know, they're

49:07

going to go public and everything. So

49:09

these things were going to get buttoned up. It was

49:12

only a matter of time. So

49:14

I guess I kind of understand. And like you, like

49:16

you pointed out, when at least

49:18

if they're going to change the rules, at

49:21

least they're giving a little bit something

49:24

more for, for those paid apps,

49:26

they're not cutting it off entirely. Like, you know,

49:29

we've seen that happen too, where it's like, nope, screw

49:32

you. We realize we

49:33

built our, our business around,

49:35

you know, the fact that, that there are third party

49:37

developers that support this, but we

49:39

don't care about you anymore. And you can't do it anymore.

49:42

Like we've seen that with Twitter. That's

49:44

not happening here with Reddit at least. So if

49:46

you have an app and you have a premium

49:48

version, you get to keep the premium version.

49:51

That's you know, that's something. I

49:53

don't know if it's enough, but I

49:55

don't know. I get, I, that's how I

49:57

feel about it. How do you feel about

49:59

it? When I know. you have opinions. Yeah.

50:01

I mean, I honestly think this is

50:04

fairly reasonable and I feel weird

50:06

saying that because again, as we mentioned, the timing

50:08

is weird because there's

50:10

a different story on certain bird

50:12

sites where this, where, where,

50:15

where, when that happened on that site, it felt a little more

50:17

icky and opportunistic and like, whatever.

50:19

But yeah, but things cost

50:22

money,

50:24

developer time costs money. And even like

50:26

upkeeping an API. So like that's

50:28

actually something that I've been frustrated as, as developers

50:31

that a lot of companies don't offer, you know,

50:33

whatever pick your favorite app, pick your favorite

50:35

even product. Like whether that's like, um,

50:38

for example, I have like a rower and it actually

50:40

has a very beautiful API that I could integrate

50:43

with for example. So whatever

50:45

your product is, if you want it to be integrated

50:47

with say other kind of like partner

50:49

apps or related apps, adjacent apps, you

50:51

have to make an API

50:52

and making an API does not free.

50:54

Like someone has to take like that,

50:57

the upkeep of that, the maintenance of that,

50:59

adding features, responding to developers

51:02

in the community that have either bug reports or feature

51:04

requests or whatever. That's not free. That's someone's

51:06

time. And I,

51:08

we got to eat too y'all.

51:11

And like, I think if

51:13

we can move to a model where, you know,

51:15

and again, it kind of, we'll have to

51:17

see what the API cost

51:19

eventually is and how scaled

51:21

it is for, you know, usage. Like maybe it may,

51:24

like I would like to see something where if a user

51:27

is using, I don't know, some, I don't know what

51:29

the numbers on this would be to make sense. Like maybe if

51:31

you have like, like less than 500 API

51:33

calls a month, maybe

51:35

it's free. Something like that. Whereas of course, someone

51:37

that is a high developer that has a

51:39

very high traffic app, probably like Apollo or one of

51:42

the other apps that we used to use on an I use bacon

51:44

meter a long time ago. I don't even know it's still around, but you

51:47

know, obviously they, if,

51:48

if they are having more traffic,

51:50

more users, more people paying for it, they will probably be

51:53

able to pay more and they, their, their app

51:55

would cost more. So I think it's fair.

51:57

And I would like to see how that works.

51:59

And maybe

51:59

Because if we can make this

52:02

model, if Rode can develop a model

52:04

that is tenable, that is

52:06

acceptable to devs,

52:09

I

52:11

think that'll just make the space better. And yeah,

52:14

there are so many great apps that could do more with integration

52:16

and stuff like that. But just someone

52:20

needs to do the work. And if you're

52:22

expecting a company that actually is a company with

52:24

a business, you

52:27

can't always expect them to do it for free.

52:28

It was nice back

52:30

in the old days, in the wild, wild west of the web and

52:33

the internet. But nah, we all gotta eat

52:35

and there's gonna be an ROI. So

52:37

if we can find a way for everyone to get compensated for

52:39

their time, maybe we'll all get nicer

52:41

things. That's just how the way it goes. So I'm

52:44

positive and hopeful, but

52:47

we'll see.

52:48

I forgot about Bacon Reader. That was my

52:50

Reddit app of choice many

52:52

years ago as well. But I mean, I've been using the

52:55

official Reddit app. I was gonna say, is

52:57

the official, it's so funny, because I use

52:59

the official Reddit app too, and it's fine.

53:03

It's not an app that I either love or hate,

53:06

whereas for whatever reason, and probably

53:08

because years of using talent, I just loathe

53:10

to use the official Twitter app. So

53:14

yeah, if Reddit wasn't

53:16

offering a satisfying option through

53:19

the official app, I could see this

53:22

being something more upsetting.

53:24

But again, it's their business, it's their prerogative.

53:27

This harkens back to the decade ago apocalypse

53:30

when

53:33

all the Facebook games developers got

53:35

their knees cut out from them because Facebook changed the rules,

53:38

and it just goes to show you can't build your business

53:41

on someone else's back. Mm-hmm.

53:43

Yeah, period. Yeah, or if

53:45

you do, you can. But if

53:48

you do, understand that that is

53:50

probably, there's a high likelihood

53:53

that that's a time limited offer. And

53:55

there's not a whole lot of choice you have about that.

53:58

So if you do,

53:59

that happens, like, I mean, I guess

54:02

you can make your, you know, you can, you can make some

54:04

noise and hopefully that

54:06

changes how they do it. And you know,

54:08

maybe they address your concerns that way, but

54:11

yeah, that's, there's not a whole lot you can do

54:13

about that. So anywho,

54:18

so apps. Yeah.

54:20

So blue sky. Well, you, you were,

54:23

when you were when or wrong, one

54:25

of you was talking about the centralized, it

54:27

was you right. I did. I mentioned it. I mentioned

54:29

it. I threw that out blue sky,

54:31

which was Jack Dorsey's of,

54:34

you know, formally of Twitter, his

54:37

open and decentralized approach to social

54:39

media. It now

54:41

has an Android app and you

54:44

know, they had developed for many years, they had developed

54:46

this authenticated transfer, AT

54:48

protocol. And

54:51

just in February, they launched an iOS

54:53

app,

54:54

a blue sky. Now we

54:56

have the Android app. So the Android app

54:58

came a little bit later. Still the

55:00

services invite only. I did get

55:02

an invite from Micah last

55:05

week and was able to, you know, create

55:07

an account and kind of take a look. I

55:09

mean,

55:09

yeah, it's, it's, I mean, it's very, it's very much

55:11

like Twitter. It's

55:14

shocking. Yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly.

55:16

I mean, except that there's not a lot of people on it

55:18

because it's invite only. You know, I don't know very

55:20

many, very much

55:22

of the surfing that I've done or, or

55:25

browsing of it that I've done is just

55:28

people I don't know, you know, just kind of looking at

55:30

the general timeline and everything. And I don't know,

55:32

I'm just not, honestly, I'm just not

55:35

using Twitter like social media

55:37

right now. Like, like I maybe

55:39

browse it maybe once, twice,

55:42

three, four times a week. And I'm not

55:44

posting to it. And about

55:47

the only social network, I was just saying in the chat room

55:49

about the only social network I actually use with any

55:51

sort of regularity right now is Reddit.

55:53

Reddit's the one that I turn to right now. I'm getting

55:56

a lot, a lot of enjoyment out of Reddit, but

55:58

yet I don't think of.

55:59

in the same terms as a Twitter

56:02

or a Blue Sky or a Mastodon or whatever. Like

56:05

they serve different

56:06

things in my life. So I don't think of it as like the

56:08

traditional social media, even though it totally

56:10

is. But anyways, that's an

56:12

aside. But so Blue Sky, if you

56:15

want it on Android, you still got to get an invite. You

56:18

know, it's based on this idea of decentralization,

56:21

kind of similar to what you were saying, Ron. That

56:25

one person can't just decide

56:28

on a whim to change things. Completely

56:31

and everything. And, you know, we'll

56:33

see how it

56:35

develops over time. Even

56:38

Mastodon, you know, a lot of people moved

56:40

over to Mastodon, but I don't know if it's, you

56:42

know, how much of a fraction of that is, you

56:45

know, compared to something like Twitter or

56:47

even larger social networks. So yeah,

56:51

Blue Sky

56:52

on Android.

56:53

All right. Well, the

56:55

last bit of news we have is a little bit of a blast from

56:57

the past. Those of you who are old,

57:00

like me and Jason,

57:03

might remember Winamp. When

57:05

did you ever use Winamp? I sure did. I'm

57:09

also, I'm also... I was

57:11

giving you the

57:11

benefit of the doubt. I appreciate that. No, I'm old

57:13

too. But so

57:15

Winamp was the beloved, beloved MP3

57:18

player that I used back in the day. First

57:21

launched in 1997, used it in its heyday in the early

57:23

2000s with the skins and all this. Oh,

57:27

it was great. Winamp was the best. Well,

57:29

it's coming to Android parentheses again.

57:33

So Winamp as an organization is undergoing

57:36

a huge rehaul right now. They announced it a few months

57:38

back. But now we know in

57:40

Q3, a revamped web player will be followed

57:43

by an Android and iOS app. But

57:45

it's not going to look like anything you expect. In fact, I'm

57:47

really excited about this direction they're taking. It

57:50

looks a lot more like Spotify or Apple Music

57:52

mixed with Patreon, which

57:55

is fascinating. So in

57:57

this execution, you don't subscribe.

57:59

You subscribe to the service. You don't pay $9.99 a month

58:02

to get access to Winamp, whatever it is.

58:04

You subscribe to artists individually,

58:07

which is awesome. Which

58:08

I think is very, very cool. It allows you to support

58:11

artists directly. And I hope the music community embraces

58:13

this because Lord knows I have

58:15

a lot of friends who work in the music industry and I've seen

58:17

the checks from Spotify that you

58:19

wouldn't be surprised at number of

58:22

decimal points under a dollar that

58:24

they can calculate to

58:27

strip out value from your streams. But

58:29

that says the Winamps current library

58:32

is very, very

58:34

lean or empty, but

58:36

it's gonna take time to ramp up. So

58:39

we'll see if the music industry embraces it or not if users

58:41

embrace it. I'm gonna be checking it out. I think it's pretty cool. But

58:44

those of you who keep you score at home, this is

58:46

not the first time Winamp was on

58:49

Android. They did have an Android

58:51

app years and years ago and it was killed in 2013. So

58:54

this is Winamp, come around, like

58:56

a boomerang, come around.

58:59

But excited to see what

59:01

their future looks like. Whoever's behind this, I'm

59:03

curious to see what they come up with. Yeah,

59:07

I'm curious too. I mean, it's hard to say

59:09

because it's so, so beginning. I mean,

59:11

if you go to player.winamp.com,

59:13

you can check out the web, kind of the web

59:16

version of this. Obviously

59:18

the Android version is not out yet, but you can kind

59:20

of start to get a sense of

59:23

what it is. And you know, you browse to like

59:25

the rock category and then it gives you

59:27

regions so I could go into the North

59:29

America and find

59:32

this artist called Snack, S-N-A-K.

59:35

Hey, I just threw it

59:37

out on a podcast, you're famous. And

59:39

so we go there and it's like select membership plan. One

59:41

dollar a month,

59:42

you get access to my full catalog.

59:45

On another one, it was like $5 a month, you

59:47

get access to full catalog. You get

59:49

updates on new music as they come out. You

59:52

get, they

59:54

offer little perks for if

59:56

you subscribe, I guess, so I don't

59:58

know,

59:59

interesting. I like

1:00:01

the idea. I mean, I'm not a musician. I'm

1:00:03

not in the music industry. So I don't know whether this model

1:00:05

would actually work, but I like the idea of a

1:00:07

Patreon

1:00:08

style. Yeah. Yep. That's totally

1:00:10

what it is. Because I'm a very,

1:00:12

very like, uh, I feel

1:00:16

like I'm humble bragging about how much I, like, I like

1:00:18

Patreon because I like being able to directly support

1:00:20

people that I can assume content from.

1:00:22

And if I could more directly do that with musicians, all

1:00:25

the better. So I don't know if this model is going to work, but

1:00:27

I like them trying something different. Yeah. Cool.

1:00:30

Interesting.

1:00:31

From an artist standpoint is okay.

1:00:33

So I'm looking at another artist, Carillia,

1:00:38

and it says $5 or actually five

1:00:40

euros a month, official tablature

1:00:42

and note notations, monthly Q and a

1:00:44

sessions, behind the scenes content,

1:00:48

extra future expansions, early access

1:00:50

to music videos. So it's very, very

1:00:52

Patreon-y.

1:00:53

Very super. Access to extended

1:00:55

music catalogs. That's, you know, that's gotta

1:00:57

be a given. If you're an artist, you have your

1:00:59

music. Hopefully if anyone's paying for it, they get

1:01:02

access to your music. Uh, but for one,

1:01:04

for one year old month, you know, you get blogs and updates,

1:01:06

you get access to the catalog of music, you get a

1:01:09

discord and then you get more for the

1:01:11

five. So yeah, this is interesting. I

1:01:13

think, uh, yeah, uh,

1:01:15

purists of when amp might be a little disappointed

1:01:18

though. Just bring back the classic player, you know?

1:01:20

So it doesn't look

1:01:23

like

1:01:23

you're gonna get that, but

1:01:26

there you go. So interesting. As

1:01:28

long as it has skins, I skin the crap out

1:01:30

of when amp. Yeah. I don't see any skins on

1:01:32

the web version. I use the skins man.

1:01:34

Oh, I skinned it to the point of no usability. Yes.

1:01:39

Yes. That is how you do it.

1:01:42

That was so, yeah, that was such a fun

1:01:44

time exploring this thing. That felt so

1:01:46

powerful. It was like, Oh, I can, what,

1:01:49

what I could have, you know, it'd be black and

1:01:51

white and look like it was drawn with a crayon.

1:01:53

That's amazing. You know, whatever

1:01:55

it was that bottomless

1:01:58

pit of skin. Oh, totally. I mean, it was.

1:01:59

Yes, it was such a time suck searching

1:02:03

for those. Also

1:02:06

a time suck

1:02:07

is JR's Android intelligence

1:02:09

tip. Cause when he pulls

1:02:11

you in, he doesn't let go until you

1:02:13

know everything there is to know about

1:02:16

the YouTube app on Android. Here's

1:02:19

another one. I think this might be the last one though. Here

1:02:21

you go.

1:02:23

Greetings one and all.

1:02:26

So we've been on a bit of a long, strange trip

1:02:28

through all sorts of splendid YouTube

1:02:30

goodness these past few weeks. And

1:02:33

today, today we're going to bring it all home with

1:02:35

a pair of really helpful features

1:02:38

hidden away in the YouTube Android app. They're

1:02:40

features that, dare I

1:02:43

say, few mere mortals even

1:02:45

realize exist. Let me show you. All

1:02:48

right. So first get this. The YouTube

1:02:50

Android app has a built in automatic

1:02:53

transcription system that

1:02:55

lets you scan through the text of any video you're

1:02:57

watching and even jump ahead

1:02:59

to any specific part. I

1:03:02

honestly had no idea about this myself until

1:03:04

I randomly stumbled onto it whilst

1:03:06

poking around haphazardly like

1:03:09

a madman as one does. But

1:03:11

once you know where to find it, it couldn't be much easier

1:03:13

to use. Here's the trick. While

1:03:15

you're watching any video in YouTube

1:03:18

on your phone, tap the tiny more

1:03:20

text beneath its title at the start

1:03:23

of its description and

1:03:24

then look for the section that says transcript. Tap

1:03:28

the show transcript button in

1:03:30

that area.

1:03:31

And sure enough, there she blows.

1:03:33

No matter

1:03:34

what it is you're watching, you can now scan

1:03:36

ahead to see what will be said as

1:03:39

the video progresses. And you can

1:03:41

tap on any line in that area to skip

1:03:43

directly to that moment.

1:03:46

Next, ever find yourself wanting to share a specific

1:03:48

part of a video with someone, maybe

1:03:51

a friend, a coworker, a marmot

1:03:53

who happens to be your mortal nemesis

1:03:56

or any other kind of ten-toed

1:03:58

creature? Listen,

1:03:59

up, you gorgeous son of a given. At

1:04:02

some point in the not too distant

1:04:04

past, Google started rolling out a new

1:04:07

clips feature that makes it easy

1:04:09

as can be to create your own custom clip

1:04:12

of any YouTube video

1:04:14

and then share it with anyone you want, Marmot

1:04:17

or otherwise. But it's really tucked

1:04:19

away and out of sight and you'd never know it was

1:04:21

possible if you didn't know where to look. The

1:04:23

secret is to scroll horizontally

1:04:26

along the line of buttons between the creator's

1:04:28

name and the comments area

1:04:31

within any video you're viewing. You'd

1:04:33

never know it but some extra options are waiting

1:04:36

for you at the other end of that row and one

1:04:39

of them, sure enough, is clip.

1:04:41

Tap

1:04:42

that thing and tap it, good, and YouTube

1:04:44

will give

1:04:44

you a super simple tool for

1:04:46

selecting a small segment of the video you

1:04:49

want anywhere from five seconds

1:04:51

to a full minute. You can just slide the

1:04:53

little guide around to get it in the exact

1:04:55

place and at the exact length you want,

1:04:58

then give the thing a title and tap

1:05:00

the share clip button at the bottom

1:05:02

of the screen. You'll

1:05:04

get a special YouTube link that will let anyone

1:05:06

view your custom clip of that video

1:05:09

in an endlessly repeating loop.

1:05:12

Not bad, right? There is so

1:05:14

much more where that came from so if this

1:05:16

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1:05:30

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1:05:32

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1:05:34

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1:05:36

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1:05:39

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1:05:41

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1:05:42

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1:05:44

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1:05:59

find the best of the best

1:06:02

videos on YouTube. Episode

1:06:04

one of All About Android, of course, and

1:06:06

perhaps the best live performance

1:06:09

that Nelson ever had of After

1:06:11

the Rain. Am I right? I mean,

1:06:13

that part of the video that JR

1:06:15

clipped out as the example, I watch

1:06:18

that on repeat all the time. It blows my mind.

1:06:21

Nelson, they were so good. Thank

1:06:23

you, JRA Feel. Android Intelligence.

1:06:27

That is AndroidIntel.net

1:06:29

to check out the newsletter.

1:06:32

And

1:06:33

I'm curious what next week is. I

1:06:36

think he kind of alluded to next week, not being

1:06:38

YouTube, we will find out.

1:06:41

And if it is YouTube, it's probably something you really,

1:06:43

really, really didn't know existed.

1:06:48

Stop sharing those band. What

1:06:53

was that band? Nelson, stop

1:06:55

sharing their gifs in the

1:06:58

Discord, please. You're distracting me. Oh, that's

1:07:00

dangerous. Yeah, they're very distracting.

1:07:02

I need to look away.

1:07:03

Yes, they are. Oh, yeah. That's

1:07:05

not good. Yeah. All right, coming

1:07:07

up, your feedback is next.

1:07:11

AAA at twit.tv, 347 show AAA. When?

1:07:17

You got the first one.

1:07:19

Yes, and we've

1:07:21

got a voicemail. Chris

1:07:24

from Mobile. Love it. We

1:07:26

love the voicemails. So thank you, Chris

1:07:28

from Mobile.

1:07:31

Hey, Android Faithful. This is Chris

1:07:33

from Mobile. I called it last year. Now,

1:07:36

that's gonna be really interesting. I'm trying to find

1:07:39

a dumb smartphone. I

1:07:42

want a smartphone, but I wanted to just

1:07:44

have telephones and

1:07:47

messages. That's all I need on it. I

1:07:50

don't need anything else. I don't need apps. I

1:07:52

don't even really need the app store of all things. But I

1:07:54

know I have to have that for updates. Is

1:07:57

there anything you can suggest, especially something to lock

1:07:59

down a phone? like that, you people from adding

1:08:01

your app. Thanks.

1:08:06

It looks like, it

1:08:09

looks like this voicemail I put it in and I forgot

1:08:11

to do any research. But, but

1:08:15

there are notes here, so someone did research.

1:08:18

I did. I did. No, thank you, Wynn.

1:08:20

Thanks for the save. I completely

1:08:23

forgot. So,

1:08:24

Chris from Mobile. I did a little research

1:08:26

and to be honest, I think a lot of the smartphones

1:08:28

that I came up that were phone and text only, which

1:08:32

were phones for your kids, you

1:08:34

know, with parental controls and all kinds of stuff that I assume

1:08:36

that you would not want. But there

1:08:38

was a super interesting phone that

1:08:40

I came across, that is the Lite phone. I

1:08:43

call the Lite phone. It is not an Android

1:08:45

phone, but it is a phone with the E Ink

1:08:47

screen. It looks like it actually

1:08:50

is available on Verizon, but

1:08:52

yeah, it's a super simple

1:08:54

phone. The mission is, as you say, to kind

1:08:56

of undistract

1:08:59

or de-distract us from

1:09:01

our kind of bad smartphone having

1:09:04

lives. And again, it's like an E Ink screen. And

1:09:06

yeah, it's super stripped down. And actually, I know

1:09:09

like, so, Chris, what you were concerned about,

1:09:11

it's kind of like making sure that you had updates. And it's kind

1:09:13

of hard to tell because, you know, it's not,

1:09:16

I couldn't see any policy or finding policy was

1:09:18

like, hey, we, you know, update for

1:09:21

this many years or whatever. But it does seem

1:09:23

that they are, you know,

1:09:25

the folks that are still doing software updates

1:09:27

for the Lite phone are very serious about it. They mentioned

1:09:30

like having supporting one of the, I think probably the version

1:09:32

one of this phone for like the last three years. And

1:09:35

if you look at the change log for Lite OS,

1:09:37

which is the OS that this runs on, I

1:09:39

mean, they've been having updates like almost every single

1:09:42

month, or at least as far as I can tell the last like

1:09:44

six, eight, maybe more months from a cursory

1:09:46

glance.

1:09:46

So, yeah,

1:09:49

and I'm sorry, I didn't do as much looking

1:09:51

because I was like, is this, is this what you're looking for? Cause

1:09:54

not Android, but it is

1:09:56

a dumb smartphone

1:09:58

or at least a very stripped down smartphone.

1:09:59

on E Ink, which is kind of nice, which I presume the battery

1:10:02

might be

1:10:03

better than your average smartphone. So yeah,

1:10:05

I don't know. And it's really slick. I mean,

1:10:08

I think he nailed it.

1:10:10

I think he nailed it. It might not run Android,

1:10:12

but I think that's a slippery slope when you

1:10:15

kind of go down the Android world, because

1:10:17

I mean, I think it's going to be probably,

1:10:19

I mean, maybe that phone exists, but it's

1:10:21

going to be really hard to find a phone that supports Android

1:10:24

and all the things. And they actively choose

1:10:27

to not, you know, to have Android on there,

1:10:29

but not give you access to the things that

1:10:31

kind of make Android even more powerful.

1:10:34

You know, like this seems like the way

1:10:36

to go. This is going to keep,

1:10:38

keep, you know, any of that extra stuff

1:10:41

from ending up on the phone in

1:10:43

whatever way, and it's going to keep it focused.

1:10:46

So,

1:10:47

I like it. I forgot

1:10:49

about this phone. So I'm happy because I know that we've

1:10:51

talked about this phone on the show. We definitely,

1:10:53

we definitely talked about this. We definitely, when

1:10:56

we're going through the small phone phase and things like

1:10:58

that, and yeah, the light phone is

1:11:00

definitely one that we've discussed, which is, I'm glad

1:11:02

to see it's still around, you know? Mm-hmm. And

1:11:04

being updated regularly, that's awesome. Yeah. That's

1:11:06

really great news. Sometimes these devices, they

1:11:09

come out and they sound really great, but

1:11:11

you know, it's a small company. It's just

1:11:13

a handful of people. And you know, the long-term

1:11:15

commitment is, ends up being too much

1:11:18

or so it seems, because

1:11:20

that support ends up dragging and falling

1:11:22

off a cliff. So, not

1:11:25

the case here. So I think that's an interesting one to

1:11:27

pursue.

1:11:28

Yeah. The developers on this are very active.

1:11:31

Like I'm saying like May,

1:11:33

June, last year, August, like they're

1:11:35

just, they're, there's some love

1:11:38

going into the software on this phone, at least, as far as I

1:11:40

can see from as much work as they're putting

1:11:42

into it, as many updates as they're doing. So yeah.

1:11:46

Oh,

1:11:46

shoot. I kind of want one. I mean, it looks, it's

1:11:48

great. And I love e-ink devices. So that kind

1:11:50

of, that's the sucker punch to my heart. So yeah.

1:11:54

Chris from Mobile. I don't know, maybe

1:11:56

this is an option for you. I know it

1:11:58

will take you out of our sphere.

1:11:59

a little bit, but I don't know, it's a really

1:12:02

cute phone. And I hadn't heard of the light

1:12:04

phone before doing my very cursory

1:12:06

research for your email. I

1:12:08

kinda want it now. So yeah, thanks for your email. Cool.

1:12:12

Thank you for the email. Mark

1:12:14

B writes in to say, hey AAA,

1:12:17

has Samsung fixed this yet? Can

1:12:19

I use wifi? What is Mark B talking

1:12:22

about? Well, he is talking about

1:12:24

the Exynos modem issues

1:12:27

that we talked about, you know, I don't know. It

1:12:30

was probably a month, maybe two months ago. And

1:12:33

I have good news for you, Mark. Yes,

1:12:36

Samsung's April security update

1:12:39

addressed this. So earlier this month,

1:12:43

Samsung pushed an update to its

1:12:45

phones that directly

1:12:47

fix the Exynos flaws

1:12:49

that are behind kind of

1:12:52

the wifi insecurity issues and everything

1:12:54

with Exynos devices. So that's

1:12:57

really good news. I mean,

1:12:59

there's your answer. Hopefully you got that

1:13:01

update on your device. You didn't mention

1:13:04

which device you have. So I can't tell

1:13:06

you whether it's available on your actual

1:13:08

exact device, but I assume you have one

1:13:11

that's relatively recent. And my understanding

1:13:13

is that Samsung pushed this out, you know, to

1:13:15

all of their currently updated phones

1:13:17

that actually have

1:13:19

the Exynos chip in them. So you should

1:13:22

be good. And I think that that fix also

1:13:26

directly impacted Google phones. Running

1:13:28

the tensor chip and Google's pushed out that

1:13:31

update. So my understanding

1:13:33

is if the, you know, for the majority

1:13:35

of the phones that this Exynos vulnerability,

1:13:38

you know, was playing, was

1:13:41

playing those devices that the updates

1:13:43

are out there. So it's just a matter of did your phone get

1:13:45

the update? And if it did,

1:13:47

then you're good. So good

1:13:49

news for you, Mark. There you go. And

1:13:54

over to Ron. Yes,

1:13:56

it is my honor after missing last week to

1:13:58

return to you, my friends with.

1:13:59

the I

1:14:03

did not expect to get such a loud fanfare

1:14:05

for the email of the week.

1:14:08

This comes from up north

1:14:11

up in Toronto. Our good friend Derek writes

1:14:13

in and says, Hey gang, long time

1:14:15

listener from the Gina days. Very

1:14:17

cool, sir. I've written in a few times,

1:14:20

but this is the first with a question. I'm

1:14:22

having a smart lock issue that's driving me

1:14:24

nuts.

1:14:25

For some reason, smart lock seems to be turning itself

1:14:27

off. If you go to the smart lock screen,

1:14:29

all you see is a blank screen with no option

1:14:31

to even enter your pin.

1:14:33

I've looked at the forums online and found that you need

1:14:35

to a update. Well, that was a given,

1:14:37

right? We talked about that earlier. Like, have you, have you tried

1:14:40

updating, right? Have you tried turning it off and turning back on

1:14:42

again? And then he says, and

1:14:44

then he says, that's

1:14:46

a given. I have a pixel six and keep it up to date.

1:14:48

The main reason about I buy a pixel and

1:14:50

be toggle off and

1:14:53

back on trust agents. The

1:14:55

latter works for about 10 to 30 minutes. And then

1:14:57

I had to do it again. It's

1:14:59

driving me nuts. I have to log in on my

1:15:01

phone all the time at home in the car and

1:15:03

with Android auto enabled.

1:15:06

By the way, thanks Ron for being the guinea pig on a wireless,

1:15:08

bought it too and love it.

1:15:10

And even with a smartwatch connected any

1:15:12

ideas or suggestions? Um,

1:15:15

so what do y'all

1:15:16

think here in terms of,

1:15:19

uh, in terms of this issue? Now on this one, I

1:15:21

did actually remember to research. You did the research.

1:15:23

So, uh, Samsung

1:15:27

actually, um,

1:15:29

actually acknowledged this, this, uh,

1:15:31

week, I believe is this

1:15:34

news from this week. Let's see here.

1:15:36

Oh, go away. Cookie pop up,

1:15:38

uh, from April 18th. So it was last week. Basically

1:15:41

Samsung has confirmed, uh,

1:15:43

that the, they are addressing

1:15:46

any of the smart lock, uh, issues

1:15:48

that are happening with galaxy phones. That's

1:15:50

happening sometime this week. So you're not going to have to wait,

1:15:52

uh, much longer. This is

1:15:54

going to be done via a, um,

1:15:57

Google play services update.

1:15:59

So it's going to have

1:15:59

without the need of like an OS update,

1:16:02

it's just gonna happen behind the scenes for

1:16:04

you. And hopefully that addresses

1:16:06

the issue that

1:16:08

you're having. But yes, this news is relatively

1:16:11

fresh, so you're not the only one.

1:16:13

Jason, did Derek not say

1:16:16

he had a Pixel 6? Yes,

1:16:18

he had a Pixel 6, he said. Oh

1:16:20

shoot, oh my goodness, I

1:16:22

totally. I'm so sorry. No, that's

1:16:24

okay. I was wondering why it said Samsung there. So.

1:16:27

That's okay. Apparently

1:16:29

I failed on emails this week. I

1:16:32

got one out of three right. But is it an issue here

1:16:34

regardless of device

1:16:35

though? I think it is because when I looked

1:16:37

it up, there was so many

1:16:41

emails and forum posts and all kinds

1:16:43

of articles for Pixel and for Samsung.

1:16:47

So, and all of them said to do

1:16:49

what Derek has already done. So

1:16:53

I'm not that helpful either. I can only

1:16:55

presume that there's like a widespread

1:16:57

problem with it and the only thing that I came up with

1:16:59

is that, well, I know that our very

1:17:02

Michelle Roman said that it looks like they are gonna

1:17:04

rebrand Smart Lock to extend lock. So I'm

1:17:06

gonna do a little developer supposition,

1:17:10

theory

1:17:12

of crafting, conspiracy of crafting that maybe

1:17:14

there's something about the rebranding where I

1:17:17

don't know what they're doing. I don't actually know how Smart

1:17:19

Lock necessarily works under the hood, but I don't know

1:17:21

if

1:17:22

something's there because maybe

1:17:24

they're re-riggering it and it's just messing it up

1:17:26

for folks. And I don't know. The

1:17:28

skeptical side of me is saying they know they're gonna

1:17:31

redo it. So they're not, I

1:17:33

don't know. I don't know. It just seems

1:17:35

like something

1:17:36

is up with everyone because

1:17:39

yeah, everyone's having problems. Basically,

1:17:42

Samsung has done something to address

1:17:44

this.

1:17:45

Yeah, maybe they have some kind of

1:17:47

like side stepping. But Google

1:17:49

has not on the Pixel.

1:17:52

Hmm, yeah. I'm

1:17:54

looking at the support page that I got that link

1:17:57

from that story that I mentioned on Samsung.

1:17:59

That's what...

1:17:59

I think once I saw

1:18:02

that link, I was like, oh, there's the solution. I completely

1:18:04

forgot about the pixel aspect of things. Sorry about that.

1:18:07

Yeah, okay, well in that case, I don't know

1:18:10

what to recommend other

1:18:13

than, gosh, I mean, it seems like it's on

1:18:15

the radar at least, if

1:18:18

some fixes are being pushed out for this, but

1:18:20

it's not helping you on the pixel and I'm sorry

1:18:22

about that. Yeah,

1:18:25

it really does seem like that support issue is

1:18:27

kind of recommending all the things you probably,

1:18:30

Derek, you probably saw the same support issue

1:18:32

page that I saw, because it's recommending the same things

1:18:34

that you are already doing. And that's

1:18:36

annoying. I have to imagine that a fix

1:18:39

is coming. Yeah,

1:18:41

you gotta assume. And so keep an eye on those product forms,

1:18:43

see how it develops. You clearly

1:18:46

can't be the only, you're

1:18:47

not the only person who's having that issue. Immensely

1:18:50

frustrating though, and I feel for you. I

1:18:52

wish we could be more help though. That stinks.

1:18:54

Yeah, sorry dude. Or Derek.

1:18:57

But regardless, I mean, the

1:18:59

upside Ron, right? I'll let

1:19:01

you have the honors.

1:19:04

That he was the email of the week? Yeah, that's it. Yep,

1:19:07

cool.

1:19:09

I wasn't putting you on the spot for anything difficult.

1:19:12

I was like, I was like, I'm guessing. I

1:19:16

didn't want to close it though for you. You

1:19:19

get to open it and close it. All

1:19:21

right, well, we've reached the end. Before I get anything

1:19:23

else wrong, we're gonna go ahead and

1:19:25

finish. This

1:19:27

episode. There it is. Of all about Android.

1:19:31

Thank you everybody for watching and listening. Thank

1:19:33

you, Wynn. It's great to hang

1:19:36

out with you. What do you want to leave people with?

1:19:38

Yes, I am an Android dev. I

1:19:40

do this most days and you can find

1:19:42

stuff that I do. Talks video

1:19:46

and code on my website, renterlaytyping.com.

1:19:49

And if there's a social media thing, I'm probably

1:19:51

there under queen code monkey. And if I'm

1:19:53

not, let me know. I'm

1:19:54

gonna grab that handle. Yeah. That's

1:19:57

my thing. Let me know. But yeah, that's where you can

1:19:59

find me. and happy to be here

1:20:01

as always. Thank you, Wynn. And

1:20:04

thank you, Ron. All

1:20:07

three of us at Google I.O. That is so amazing.

1:20:09

It's going to be very exciting. It's going

1:20:11

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1:20:14

Google I.O., but I'm

1:20:16

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1:20:18

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1:20:21

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1:20:22

We are absolutely going to do that. So let's

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super excited. You should be too. In

1:20:31

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