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I'm Ron Richards. And

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I'm Florence Ion. And

1:52

Flo, you and I have the distinct pleasure

1:54

in Jason and Quinn's absence to

1:57

welcome returning to

1:59

all that android after nearly a

2:00

year, almost a year, father

2:02

Robert Balessair. How are you doing, father Robert?

2:04

I am doing very well much nicer

2:06

though. Not that I get to be sandwiched between

2:09

the two of you. So this is nice. I enjoy it.

2:10

Thank you for holding it down for us in the studio

2:13

today. Yeah.

2:13

I was just I was saying, you know,

2:15

I I have access to all the buttons

2:18

now. So I was just gonna t d this

2:19

thing. I mean, come on. How

2:21

hard can we do it? How hard?

2:23

Well, Victor behind the behind the ones and

2:25

twos they would probably question that,

2:27

but -- Yeah. Yeah. -- as of Follow Robert,

2:29

thank you. Join. There's no there's no,

2:31

like, coincidence that I think

2:33

every angle here.

2:37

Pudgets in it. I know. But Yeah.

2:39

Shockingly. It's almost as if someone adjusted

2:41

the camera. Someone too. So Well,

2:44

so as mentioned, Jason is

2:46

out on vacation. We're not jealous

2:48

at all, and Wynn is out, and we wanna

2:50

wish her a happy birthday. It's her birthday. She's celebrating

2:53

her birthday win. Birthday win.

2:56

Hey. But we teased it last week,

2:58

and I'm so excited looking forward to this all week.

3:00

Because we've got both Flo and Padre in

3:02

the house. You were both at CES.

3:04

We talked a whole bunch of of stuff about the major

3:06

news coming out at CES, but there was so much more to talk

3:08

about I wanted to dedicate the whole top

3:10

part of this show to just about your guys'

3:12

experience to CES and etcetera. So we're

3:15

gonna put off the news, Victor. You get

3:17

pass. You don't need to you don't need to do a noosebumper.

3:20

But I don't need to don't need close hardware

3:22

check either. You might I mean,

3:24

we can hold on that a hold on that for a

3:26

little bit. But but so

3:28

Flo and Padre, you're both at CES

3:30

in person.

3:32

What was it like? I mean Flo, I mean, was

3:34

it were you there last year or is this your

3:36

first year back?

3:37

This is my first year back since

3:40

twenty eighteen.

3:41

Whoa. Wow. So, yeah,

3:44

I was gonna go twenty nineteen, but

3:46

my husband's like, you are nine

3:48

months pregnant. Just so

3:50

I so I didn't go for that one. And I have

3:52

to say, Padre, does this mean that we both

3:54

got out COVID

3:55

Fr? We had Yes. That that's actually

3:57

okay. We have three. Three

4:00

tech people who have been on the network

4:03

who who who went to CES and came back

4:05

complete, not just COVID free, but cold

4:07

free, flu Fr, nothing. I got

4:09

nothing, which I wasn't really sick

4:11

there. So I feel like that

4:13

protected me. But I've been having these

4:15

conversations, like, very transparently

4:18

with people because I just feel like this

4:21

stuff is still going

4:21

on. I'm still wearing a mask.

4:24

You know, I need data. Yeah.

4:26

Yeah. Well, anyway, let's not talk

4:28

about COVID. Let's talk about the show. So what was it

4:30

like to be on the floor again for the first time? Was it

4:32

triggering? Or did you did you hype start

4:34

hyperventilating Fr did it feel like coming home?

4:37

I did have a complete

4:40

breakdown the first night but thankfully,

4:42

I found out that actually, five

4:44

g was not a lie.

4:47

It is actually pretty awesome because I

4:49

actually got service in the casinos. So,

4:52

you know, I was showing my three year old,

4:54

the casinos on video chat, like,

4:56

no no issue whatsoever. You

4:59

know, street latency and everything. Right.

5:02

But I kind of felt like CES

5:05

was a little It definitely

5:07

was a shell of itself. It was not

5:09

the c s that I've

5:11

known before. And

5:14

even though it was, like, overwhelming this

5:16

year as it was in years prior

5:18

because it always is, like, it's a massive show.

5:20

There were a hundred twenty thousand

5:22

people in attendance this year apparently

5:25

according to Las Vegas, TWiT board,

5:27

it still felt like the

5:30

bones of what it used to be. And

5:32

I think part of that might just be because

5:34

of the time that we're in right

5:36

now in tech. Like, things have really

5:38

slowed down. And so, naturally,

5:40

like CES is showing

5:43

that. Yep. So

5:45

father Robert, was that your experience as well?

5:47

Or what what did you think being there? Yeah. Mine was a little

5:49

bit different just because so I I have

5:51

gone to every CES that they had,

5:54

except for the one that was canceled in twenty twenty

5:55

one. I was there in twenty twenty,

5:57

and I was there last year

6:00

And last year was the one where it

6:02

was really kind of spooky because

6:04

you could feel that they had just tried to

6:06

force the show.

6:08

If you remember the the layout of

6:10

CS at Central Hall, which is the pace that people

6:12

come into, just as they're coming

6:14

to the Las Vegas Convention Center, they

6:16

had a huge, like,

6:18

quadruple booth that LG had

6:20

bought. And then LG decided

6:22

not to show up. So all they did was they

6:24

roped off where the boat would be,

6:26

and then they put a bunch of, like, signposts

6:28

with QR codes for what would be there.

6:30

So your visit to CES to

6:32

LG at CES was to come up, scan

6:34

it with your phone, and read about what product would

6:36

be there. And was kinda typical

6:38

for the whole show. And Woon was just sort of like, I don't know

6:40

why we're here, but we're trying it. This

6:43

year, there was a a bit more of the

6:45

old CES back. I just like

6:47

Flow, I know it's nowhere near what it was

6:49

in twenty twenty or twenty nineteen,

6:51

but there was some of the

6:53

excitement. People were actually saying, oh, this

6:55

is working. I can go to the different booths.

6:57

I will say that even though the the

6:59

convention center has expanded, because now they

7:01

have LVCC West, which is a

7:03

huge, huge place. It it's

7:06

actually I think the same size as the

7:08

old LVCC combined. I

7:11

spent TWiT

7:11

fans. Sorry. Right. The fans community

7:14

the fans convention center, which was bought

7:16

by the

7:17

Venetian. So the Venetian has its

7:19

own commission center just Yep. -- for folks.

7:21

Yep. Yep. But I spent way

7:23

more time in suites this year. So

7:25

that's That was great. What

7:28

you did on your own time. Let's keep yourself coming

7:30

up. This is a family chat. Leave all of all. I

7:32

got to see Resorts World, so that

7:34

was nice.

7:35

I like that show works on multiple levels

7:37

that you bought through my life. No.

7:41

But III used to love Walkman

7:43

the show floor. That was my my my

7:45

enjoyable time at CES. Just

7:47

find something unexpected. I didn't

7:49

do that so much this year. This year, I

7:51

spent a lot more time in prep to

7:53

find the companies I actually wanted to speak

7:55

with. And then I set appointments up in their suites

7:57

so that it was a safer environment. And

7:59

it also meant that I didn't have to do, like,

8:01

the carnival carnival barking type stuff.

8:03

Yeah. Well, it's it's actually funny

8:05

that you say that because it's a that's a great segue

8:07

into, you know, what we wanted what I wanted to

8:09

talk about this week on the show this week because Last

8:11

week, we talked about all the, you know, Google's presence

8:14

there and all the other news and things like that they're

8:16

coming out of it. But, like,

8:18

part of my love of CES is

8:20

the weird stuff and the prototypes and the the

8:22

the the the kind of awesome. And

8:24

I don't know, you know, you were both there,

8:26

you know, and, you know, Flow, you were doing your

8:28

your work for Gizmodo. Like,

8:30

did you feel as if it felt to me,

8:32

like, this this was a, I don't wanna say, a

8:35

safer

8:35

show, but there wasn't as much crazy stuff on

8:37

the floor as if as feel like in

8:39

previous years? Yes.

8:43

I I do believe that to be true. I

8:45

for instance, I know that we wanted

8:47

to kinda, like, go over some of the foldable

8:50

displays that sounds like that showed

8:52

off on the show floor. But the thing

8:54

to note about that is many

8:56

of those displays were actually

8:58

announced at last CES. But

9:00

because most of the press did not go to

9:02

last CES, this was kind of like

9:04

a re rodding. Mhmm. Maybe not even that. It was TWiT,

9:06

let us remind you what we've actually been

9:08

working on this entire time and

9:10

which is

9:11

exciting. But, like, because we're

9:13

not there yet, you know, it's it's

9:16

it's a it was a tease of a show. It was. Well,

9:18

it was that's why it was funny, like, specifically the

9:20

Samsung Foldables. Like, last week, we did the show

9:22

and, like, Jason did the whole rundown of the show and

9:24

everything. And then, like, afterwards, my quote, we didn't even talk about

9:26

the Samsung foldables. And part of it to their point

9:28

is that, like, maybe because they

9:30

weren't, like, totally brand new, but,

9:32

like, they they they built they built

9:34

on the announcement from last Fr. At least they

9:36

were, like, prototypes in

9:38

hand. Yeah. You can see how it worked and all that sort

9:40

of stuff. So flip, did you get to did you get

9:41

to look at them? Or what were they like? Unfortunately,

9:44

nightly, I didn't get to see them in

9:46

person. I that that

9:48

was the other thing about this year is that it

9:50

just felt like

9:52

I I could just see

9:54

what I could see. Like, you know,

9:56

usually, I'm -- Sure. -- I'm a lot

9:58

more, like, let's do this. Let's do this. But

10:00

this year, it was, like, let's just

10:02

this is our first convention back. So let's let's

10:04

take it day by day. And which is kind

10:06

of a bummer because I would have loved to see

10:09

some of the prototypes that Samsung

10:11

was showing. Privately at

10:13

its booth. So what they were doing is my

10:15

understanding is they were inviting some

10:17

media to come kinda look behind

10:19

the

10:19

wall, the untethered prototypes

10:22

one of the

10:22

more interesting things is that Samsung

10:25

now this isn't an Android thing, but I'm

10:27

gonna go ahead and mention it. They have this flex

10:29

hybrid screen which includes

10:31

both folding and sliding. And

10:33

that's something that they're bringing to some of

10:35

the, I'm gonna say, phone displays

10:37

that they're working on as well. And

10:39

so it was very interesting to kinda see

10:41

what Samsung is cooking up

10:43

to try and make

10:46

into a device. And I think one of

10:48

the one of the themes was they're

10:50

right now trying to figure out, like, which ways to

10:52

fold the device that makes the most sense

10:54

for you to carry. In your pocket.

10:56

Right. So for instance, the

11:00

Samsung FlexS, it

11:02

looks like this giant you

11:05

know, long panorama tablet, but what

11:07

it actually is is a more smaller

11:09

handheld phone so that it's

11:11

small in your hand, but then when

11:13

you unravel TWiT. It's

11:15

actually, like, the length of a

11:17

really big smartphone that

11:19

you would watch in a

11:22

landscape mode sort of security. And

11:23

it's got that it's got that triple hinge,

11:26

like, almost falls like You

11:28

know, it's like an old map. It's an old school

11:30

map. The map. I think that's what he is. Yeah.

11:32

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Which is

11:34

it it it looks like a trip. So

11:37

I I gotta and that's the one that

11:39

you look at it and you worry about those fold

11:41

points. Yeah. Like -- Yeah. --

11:43

the the the the two there's there's a point

11:45

where the display folds to

11:47

the left and then it folds within within

11:50

TWiT. And and, like, you just see it

11:52

flexing and you could see the stress on

11:54

that hinge that's happening

11:55

there, but it looks really neat. I don't know.

11:57

I mean, that was the thing. When I saw the Samsung

12:00

booth, I was really big into the Flex

12:02

Hybrid. I love that idea of starting with, like,

12:04

a ten point four inch screen. And then

12:06

unfolding and flexing so that you

12:08

get a sixteen by nine twelve inch

12:10

screen. I I can see a lot of uses for that

12:12

and I I feel like

12:14

that product does a better

12:16

job of controlling the forces that are gonna

12:18

be exerted on the screen. Because we know

12:20

from the disastrous first release

12:22

of foldable phones, that's

12:24

huge. That that makes all the

12:25

difference. Both the Flex S and the

12:27

Flex. What was the other one? The the

12:29

the one?

12:29

Yeah. The g. Very

12:32

cool technology, but at the same

12:34

time, like you run, I'm looking at that going, how many

12:36

times can I flex that? Before

12:38

I start to see Fr. Not even breaking the

12:40

screen, but if I if you if you

12:42

reduce the quality or the

12:44

accuracy of the screen in that location, after

12:47

a thousand flexes, I'm still not

12:49

into that. I'm still I'm still not gonna buy

12:51

it. I don't know. My fault

12:53

is doing perfectly fine. I'm just saying.

12:56

They they sure just test it Fr however

12:58

many millions of Right? It's

12:59

like that IKEA chair. Demo

13:02

where it just keeps going and going and

13:04

going. Well, you you talked about them trying out

13:06

old technology. At the LG booth, one of

13:08

their big draws was that big fifty

13:10

inch scroll eight k screen.

13:12

Oh, yeah. It's beautiful. Absolutely

13:14

gorgeous, but that was from

13:16

CES twenty twenty. So

13:18

that was, you know, it's kinda weird that they're

13:21

trotting that out in twenty twenty three.

13:23

Remember this? Which

13:27

part? 000, yeah. As in all your state, I

13:29

never did. Yes. Another

13:31

by the way, another, like, foldable technology

13:34

that I thought is probably gonna

13:36

come sooner than later is the

13:38

flex in and out. And

13:40

what that is is basic the same thing as the

13:42

folds that it is right now except

13:44

instead of closing like a book, it also

13:46

opens backwards so that you have like a

13:48

double sided smart promise. It gives you

13:50

more it gives you more flexibility, so

13:52

to speak. Yes. But you know what it also

13:54

does is it exposes that

13:57

sort of because it's APL lead. Right? Or p m

13:58

lead, whatever they wanna call TWiT.

14:00

Yeah. It exposes it to the elements.

14:02

And the thing about that inside displays, it's

14:04

very soft. Which

14:06

means, like, any keys go

14:08

against Oh, just to say the pocket. Oh,

14:10

that's the worst. The little nicks that you get from keys

14:12

in the pocket at the same time. Yeah. Oh,

14:14

that's not good. But they didn't not

14:16

everything was a retread though. There were two

14:18

prototypes that that got debuted this year in

14:20

Samsung. Right? Wasn't the it was the flex Foldables

14:23

solo. And the slideable

14:25

duet, which was the

14:28

the the one where it goes from a

14:30

what was it? The flexible solar is a fourteen

14:32

inch panel. That then expands out to a

14:34

seventeen point three inch wide display in one

14:36

slab. Right? And then -- Right. -- the

14:38

duet is basically the same thing except that

14:40

it it instead of

14:42

the solo, it expands out to

14:44

one side and the

14:45

duet, it expands out both sides. Yeah.

14:48

Which is lacking

14:48

I think is

14:51

wacky, but I think that they were also sort

14:53

of testing it to see

14:55

what people's reactions are to it.

14:59

Because I think that would ultimately decide

15:02

where they're gonna go with that. I mean, I could see,

15:04

like, Samsung doing this to one of

15:06

its laptops Right. Sure. That's what I wanna

15:08

see. On the go. TWiT interesting on

15:10

a phone, but like you said, I put

15:12

a phone in my pocket with keys and such, and

15:14

I'm I'm always worried about that display, especially if

15:16

I've got displays on both sides. If you give

15:18

me a laptop like this that

15:20

has flex displays that I can pull out

15:22

on either side that are super

15:24

thin and super light, Of course, I'm gonna go

15:26

for that. And not only that, when I stow

15:28

them, they're protected. Yeah.

15:30

That's that's an application I'd actually like to

15:33

see. It seems like a lot of this this

15:35

Samsung stuff was, you know, mentioned in the

15:37

collect the hybrid one as mentioned in the

15:39

context of future laptop displays

15:41

or you know, smartphones

15:43

that also are tablets or tablets that can

15:45

go bigger or smaller. But Flow, when we

15:47

were talking about playing in the show, when I was like, oh, what do

15:49

you wanna about you said that we had to talk

15:51

about the that Lenovo tablet. So what's the what's

15:53

the story with that one?

15:54

Yeah. Alright. So the Lenovo TAM tab

15:57

extreme. It is a

15:59

giant it is a really giant Andrew

16:01

tablet. It's fourteen point five

16:03

inches. And when it's

16:05

paired with its key portfolio case,

16:07

it basically resembles, like, a Lenovo

16:09

Chromebook of sorts. I would even say,

16:11

like, a high end Lenovo doet

16:13

if any of anybody out there has used

16:15

Chromebook doet. The interesting

16:18

thing about this is that it has the

16:20

Media Tech Dementity nine thousand

16:22

chip, which is their

16:24

new flagship. And natural like,

16:27

naturally, excuse me. Often,

16:29

I don't speak of MediaTek

16:31

because their chips are very

16:33

much, like, of the affordable base,

16:36

but I feel like in this

16:38

situation, it's a good

16:40

compromise to sort of, like, keep the

16:42

price somewhere that it's not

16:45

Totally exorbitant. At the same time, let's

16:47

see what is this. It is

16:49

really it is expensive. It

16:51

is expensive. Expenses

16:53

for an Android thirteen tablet, you have to

16:55

really wanna buy into it. But because

16:57

of all the improvements that, like, Google has

16:59

made to the Android

17:01

software, know, it

17:03

feels like a much more fluid experience. Like,

17:05

even at one point when I was using it,

17:07

I would kinda, like, said something to one of

17:09

the attendants. I'm, like, Are you

17:11

sure this doesn't run Chrome OS? Because I just feel like

17:14

this should just run Chrome

17:15

OS. Like, this this is just Android.

17:18

Like, I don't know. Yeah.

17:20

The the quality is quite nice.

17:22

I love the screen. That's a hundred

17:24

and twenty hertz refresh screen, which I I

17:26

mean, I'm just falling for those now.

17:28

Twelve hundred dollars. Sorry. Yeah. It's a little it's a little

17:30

on the pricey side, especially for

17:32

a device that

17:35

for that price, I'd probably want a laptop, a full laptop rather than

17:37

just a Or an iPad

17:38

Pro. I'm sorry to say it everyone.

17:41

Yeah. It's our But And

17:43

but but like you, I was a little myth

17:46

that it wasn't doing Vanilla

17:48

Android. I I mean, at at this

17:50

point, give me the hardware

17:52

that's beautiful

17:53

and give me software that I know is

17:55

gonna be continued to be upgraded. I'm

17:57

not gonna I got an argument against

17:59

this. Oh, but

18:00

Sorry. Go.

18:01

You don't like

18:02

that. Argument against

18:03

this. Vanilla is is not the

18:05

same it used to be, like, back in the nextest

18:07

days. Vanilla now just means that

18:09

like a manufacturer needs to do something

18:12

to it. The reason that the z

18:14

fold floor Fr instance is such a great

18:16

experience is because Samsung went

18:18

in and tweaked

18:20

it so that it works with this particular form factor. Lenovo,

18:25

admittedly, because they come from the PC

18:27

game, They are known to bundle things

18:29

that nobody's really asking for because

18:31

that's how they that's that's

18:33

the game.

18:33

That's their

18:34

world. But at the same time, they do do

18:37

some things to the software to kinda like

18:39

make it a more fluid tablet

18:41

experience, which

18:44

You know what? Like, it has they have their own

18:46

precision pen. For instance, they have a stylus.

18:48

So obviously, like, they kinda need to tune the software

18:50

to work with that. Specifically.

18:53

So I can I can see where it

18:55

would be beneficial, but you just have

18:57

to be very choosy in the manufacturer that

18:59

you go with. And I think

19:02

Samsung is a little more afraid

19:04

of pissing people

19:05

off. It's

19:06

just you know, when if I'm gonna spend

19:08

that much money on something, I

19:10

wanna make sure that it's going to be

19:13

upgraded, kept up to date

19:15

past the interest of the company. So at some

19:17

point if Lenovo or

19:19

Samsung orphan their products, they're just gonna stop

19:21

building the the the

19:23

modified Android experience for them.

19:25

If it's Vanilla, yeah, I

19:27

know sometimes I'd wanna mod it myself,

19:29

but I can guarantee that I can

19:31

continue to upgrade that to the to the to the

19:33

limits of the hardware. Yeah. And

19:35

and but that's that's the not to

19:37

date you. Padre, but that's that's the

19:39

old time. Yeah. I know. Gigi knew.

19:41

And I'm the same way. I was just recently talking about

19:43

it recently, but, like, the direction of

19:45

consumer electronics is not in is

19:47

not in is not in

19:49

that direction anymore. The the costs, the

19:51

costs of stuff have come down to the point where

19:53

this stuff becomes disposable after three to

19:56

five years. Right? You just get a new I mean, my

19:58

-- Oh. -- primary Android phone is six

20:00

years old. Which one which one are

20:02

you using? I've got a one

20:04

plus five. Wow.

20:06

I know. Right? I tested newer ones,

20:08

but that's that's my daily driver. It's

20:10

still working incredibly well. It does everything

20:12

I needed to do.

20:13

But because it's it's one plus and they would

20:16

prefer me to upload update to their

20:18

seven, it's stuck on

20:20

Android

20:20

eleven. It will never

20:21

move from that point. Yeah. Not

20:24

even.

20:24

There's no, like, lineage OS or something

20:26

that you can Not

20:28

a Oh, jeez. But that's

20:30

okay. So Again. Let's

20:31

see. This is why I

20:34

see what

20:34

you're saying. I and I understand that I'm

20:36

I'm kinda old school for

20:38

liking that. But I

20:39

I totally agree with you, but it's it's

20:41

my frustration because

20:43

it gets harder and harder to

20:46

have an argument against iPad

20:48

OS in this situation -- Yeah.

20:51

Yeah. -- because, like,

20:53

okay, Google's gonna come out with a pixel tablet this

20:55

year. Cool. But everybody

20:58

is already kind of using, you

21:00

know, ultra powerful, like, iPad

21:02

Pro is not gonna be interested in

21:04

whatever is coming out from the Android side

21:06

things because Yeah. Right. But that's the

21:08

same thing whoever I mean, but that I mean, that's

21:11

the the the market for the Pixel tablet

21:13

isn't a steal iPad Pro

21:16

people It's to say, okay, okay, you who

21:18

is using a Pixel phone or a

21:20

Samsung phone instead of getting an iPad Pro.

21:22

Get one that keeps you on our side of the on

21:24

the field. Yeah. You

21:26

know, like, if, you know, like, that that's

21:28

that's, you know, like, when I don't think the

21:30

strategy is to convert existing iPad

21:32

Pro users. It's to give Android

21:34

users another device to buy in

21:36

a way to keep them from

21:38

even, you know, glancing over what the

21:40

iPad Pro can do. But do you need another

21:42

device? Sorry. No. But do you need

21:44

to look at all those devices in front of you.

21:46

Do you need those? I don't,

21:47

but I like them. Exactly.

21:51

Exactly. Exactly.

21:52

They make me happy. I

21:54

have an ideal Sorry. I have

21:57

an ideal daily carry

21:59

as an Android user. If I could just,

22:01

like -- Sure. -- manifest. We'll move on. But

22:03

yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So it

22:05

would be it would be the

22:07

zfold four. So I have like my

22:09

phone tablet, and then it would

22:11

be a Chromebook. On top

22:13

of that. Because of the way that, like, everything just works

22:16

seamlessly between Chromebook

22:18

and

22:18

Android, and then I would just have a

22:21

desktop at home. Why

22:24

wouldn't I well, for me, the I would

22:26

add to that, the dream would be like a functional

22:29

Samsung deck or kind of thing like that. That is

22:31

the desktop, that all that plugs into, it just

22:33

works. Mhmm. But

22:35

but Flow, that is a great segue

22:37

because father Robert, I think you've got a

22:39

couple a look. Looks like a night have one

22:41

or

22:41

two. Alright. So so you got you

22:44

got a bag of swag from

22:46

CES. What what did you do?

22:47

Roger, you're good at that. I and this it's kinda my it's

22:50

kinda my deal. Who can say no to him?

22:51

Look at him. I would, like, take whatever you want from

22:53

the sweet. Fr I brought

22:56

nothing home, by the way. I

22:58

brought like, one thing I brought home was a plushie from

23:00

the Fr booth. And I brought it home

23:02

because,

23:02

you know,

23:03

I felt bad for leaving my child. So This

23:05

is about five percent of the

23:07

stuff that I brought home from CES. This

23:09

is just the Android compatible gear.

23:11

Okay. Wow. Sorry. Well, let's let's go

23:13

through quickly. So yeah. So That's what it's doing quickly.

23:15

So this one, if you go to the overhead, this is something

23:18

that Flow might like. This is the the

23:20

spin seven what the

23:22

Chromebook spin seven fourteen for

23:24

Maeser. This is, you know, your standard

23:26

convertible tablet. Really, this

23:28

is actually one of the first premium

23:30

Chromebooks that I've really, really liked. Most of

23:32

them have put me off in one way or another.

23:34

But this was the unit that I used all through

23:36

CES. It was light enough to carry, it

23:38

had more than all show battery

23:41

life, it connected with everything I needed

23:43

had integrated Ethernet. It was just

23:45

a really nice device. And

23:47

of course, you know, I you can use

23:49

it like a tablet if you want to. So

23:52

pretty typical convertible Chromebook

23:55

experience. Now this

23:56

one, I think, Flo, you took a look at this. Right?

23:58

This is the the Fr,

24:00

the gaming Chromebook?

24:01

I have it right here. Yes. I actually

24:03

just finished writing my review last week. It

24:05

should be up soon. Cloud

24:08

gaming, the gaming edition Chromebook.

24:11

Exactly. Now the screen on this thing is

24:13

magnificent. It's TWiT a what? Twenty

24:15

five sixty by sixteen hundred. It's

24:17

one hundred and twenty hertz refresh and

24:20

it's an IPS screen. So it is just

24:22

gorgeous. The audio actually better

24:24

than the audio on on my Acer

24:27

gaming notebook here running

24:29

windows. Keyboard okay. It it's

24:31

a pretty good touch. But like Flo

24:33

said, The primary way you gain with

24:35

this is through cloud gaming. So you

24:37

can use either Amazon services or

24:40

net and video services. I

24:42

played a few of the games I enjoyed

24:44

and they worked just fine, but

24:46

I'm not big into TWiT gaming. I do

24:48

I like strategy games and those games

24:51

were

24:51

great. Flow, did you like it? I mean, was it would you

24:53

happen again? So

24:54

my review hasn't published yet, and I'm gonna

24:57

tell you two things. Oh, geez.

24:59

I did try First of

25:02

all, the battery life, not

25:04

No. No. It's not it's not as long as they

25:06

promise, which is up to nine hours.

25:08

But it's not

25:08

something new. It's always to be expected.

25:11

Yeah. With

25:11

a huge screen like that, that's just

25:13

gonna suck. Power. I mean -- Exactly. --

25:16

guys.

25:17

Okay. That's that's also true. And then the second thing is

25:19

I actually tried the steam beta on

25:21

it. So I actually installed local

25:24

games. And I installed

25:26

some of the latest AAA

25:28

games. And it is I

25:30

did it just to

25:31

there is integrated graphics card. This is not a gaming

25:34

laptop? Oh

25:34

my god. I have never seen

25:37

Chrome hurt so bad before. Wow.

25:39

It just what it what it does,

25:41

it just shuts off and

25:42

restarts. It goes, oh, and just shuts

25:44

off.

25:44

You actually killed

25:45

it. I

25:46

did. They

25:46

killed it a copay time. What were you playing

25:48

that that overloaded? Far Cry 5II

25:50

just

25:51

Yeah. That's the difference. I I don't do

25:53

those FPS's. I think if I was more I

25:55

don't

25:55

either, but it's my job. Yeah. Benchmark

25:58

these things. So had to go into did

26:00

play half life two on

26:01

it, which was a trip. Okay.

26:05

Okay. Alright.

26:05

I could see

26:05

that. I could see that.

26:08

Locally stored.

26:09

But, you know, for the type of gaming that

26:11

I do, I'm very attracted to a

26:13

type of gaming machine

26:15

that requires someone else to upgrade their

26:18

machine rather than

26:19

me. So that's kinda

26:20

cool. Something else I do wanna show you

26:23

is this. This is I ran into this

26:25

at Pepcon This is the new Synology series

26:27

of Nasdaq's. This one's the seven twenty three

26:29

plus. Now, the nice thing

26:31

about this is it's It's

26:33

got all the regular stuff you expect from Synology. It's it's

26:35

super fast. It's using a dual core

26:38

Ryzen sixteen hundred series CPU.

26:40

So plenty of power to do transcoding for

26:42

plex and such. But not only does it have

26:44

the two drive bays underneath, and

26:47

I love the fact that they made this easy to access,

26:50

I've got two m dot two

26:52

bays, so I could put in

26:54

some super speedy NVMe

26:56

drives and just make this thing

26:59

scream. They also added a ten

27:01

gig interface. So if I wanted to make this the

27:03

backbone of my network, I can put a ten

27:05

gigabit Ethernet module in here and

27:07

and I could actually edit from

27:09

this box directly to my computer. But the real reason why

27:11

I think that Android people would like this

27:14

is you can run the Synology

27:16

DSM suites that

27:18

basically replace every

27:20

single Google Cloud

27:22

application. Photos, documents,

27:25

storage, everything. But you do it your

27:27

local device. So it's like having your own cloud.

27:29

You don't have to depend on an external

27:31

third party service. It's it's

27:33

all stored in your home. And I got

27:35

to tell you, Synology does this better than anybody

27:38

else. I'm kind of looking forward to

27:40

this. Do either of you have a

27:42

Synology now? I

27:44

do not. Oh, absolutely. We're

27:46

gonna have to

27:47

fix that. No. I have we we have a

27:49

plex server running off of a PC

27:52

stairs, a home media server of that

27:53

variety. I'm I'm gonna do some of the padre

27:56

magic, and we're gonna make sure that you get something.

27:58

Because seriously, once you start playing with the

28:00

Android apps, for a Synology

28:02

Nas, it gets really hard not

28:04

to use it all the time. I I used to

28:06

I used to have a I used to have

28:08

a flex media server before the kids and everything. And now I'm

28:10

completely -- Yes. -- speaking

28:12

before the kids I'm I'm completely

28:14

casting streaming dependent. I have no

28:16

local meet I have no local media I

28:18

don't down I don't I don't download any shows anymore. I don't

28:20

download any movies. I don't do it. Like, it's all like,

28:22

so I have no need for an s, but, like, they're

28:24

cool. And, like, flow similar to your,

28:26

like, this is my ideal hardware setup. Like,

28:29

someday I wanna have the ideal, have the

28:31

NAS, and have everything, and everything

28:33

all working there. But I I don't have the time, but I also don't

28:35

have the need

28:35

anymore. When they go to high school

28:38

run, they won't need you anymore, except

28:40

the rides. So then you'll have

28:42

time.

28:42

Something

28:42

that you might like about all of those is they do you can

28:44

sync them with any cloud service. So if

28:47

you've used OneDrive or Dropbox or

28:49

Google Drive, it

28:51

will it will sync automatically sync a

28:53

copy on your local array. So

28:55

you're exactly so you're always guaranteed to

28:57

have access to it even if you lose

28:59

Internet connectivity. The other thing is when you change here, it will change it

29:01

online. So it's a

29:03

really nice way to get yourself some some

29:05

added storage. Now

29:07

I I don't know if either of you like storage or

29:09

like security, but I I got this

29:11

little thing. This is from

29:14

Kingston. This is their iron key vault.

29:16

Now the nice thing about this is it's an

29:18

external SSD, so crazy fast storage.

29:20

This one's AA1 terabyte version.

29:22

But I'm

29:24

also security nut. I'm gonna enterprise security nut. And so

29:26

it's got this. There's actually an operating

29:28

system on this that boots up and it

29:30

does a self test to

29:32

look for malware and make sure that there's nothing wrong with the actual

29:35

device. And then once you get in, you can

29:37

assign permissions based on

29:40

AAA code that you have to put in. So for

29:42

for me now, actually, if you zoom

29:44

in on this Victor,

29:46

you can see that the the keypad

29:48

has actually been randomized. They they thought

29:50

of little details like this so that if

29:52

someone's watching you punch in your code,

29:55

oh, that's cool. You're right. It won't be the same. So if they just copy the

29:57

motions of your finger, it it won't

29:59

match up the next time it's different every time. Oh,

30:01

that's actually It's I mean,

30:03

it's super simple detail, but

30:05

it totally makes sense. I don't know. What

30:07

is it? 274.

30:10

That's okay. No. That's fine.

30:12

There we go. Now the other cool thing about

30:14

this is everything is encrypted. So even if

30:16

someone were to steal this device from you and there's

30:18

an encryption engine so you can get

30:21

full throughput, even to someone who were to steal this from you,

30:23

they wouldn't be able to get in. They they'd have

30:25

to have the password. And you can set it so that they

30:27

put in the password Say ten times,

30:29

it will just wipe the drive. Oh, jeez.

30:32

Which which is excellent. And I

30:34

can also do per user, so I can hand

30:36

it to somebody and they only have

30:38

certain access to to certain parts of

30:40

the device. And this is plugged

30:42

in my Windows box right now, but this works just

30:45

fine on Android. If I plug it in my

30:47

Android device, also asks me for the

30:49

passcode, and then it mounts as a an

30:51

android volume. Cool. So

30:53

again yeah. I I'm really big

30:55

on Kingston for their their security

30:59

products because it's not just fancy

31:01

USB

31:01

drives. They've actually integrated the security

31:03

into the silicon, which means you can't

31:05

bypass it. Yeah. That's again, I'm an enterprise

31:08

geek. I I don't know. Did you have

31:10

something did you have something that could

31:12

keep us warm? I did.

31:14

And actually, I'm wearing it right

31:16

now. Wearables.

31:18

It is a wearable. And

31:20

I did use this extensively

31:23

If if you look at the overhead, this is the

31:25

app that's connected right now to

31:27

the vest that I'm wearing. And

31:30

this is from From what I'm so jealous. This

31:32

is from FieldSphere. And the nice thing about

31:34

this is I can control exactly how

31:37

warm oh my god. Oh, jealous. And it gets warm fast.

31:39

You wanna wear this? It gets warm

31:42

so quickly. I used this

31:44

on the way from CES to San Francisco. I

31:46

was driving my father's Prius, and

31:48

you know hypermiling? No.

31:52

You're basically just trying to get the highest miles per

31:54

gallon that you can get over

31:56

a trip. Well, I was getting

31:59

about forty nine of the forty eight

32:01

miles per gallon. And then I

32:03

decided, well, if I shut off everything in the

32:05

cabin, no heat Fr Yeah.

32:07

No heat going. And turning

32:10

off the heater actually gave me

32:12

five more miles per gallon, so I was just

32:15

wearing this. It was thirty degrees

32:17

thirty degrees in my cabin, but I was wearing

32:19

this at I was I was fine. I was

32:21

toasty. That's hysterical. That's too

32:23

funny. So if you want if you

32:25

wanna get a really good mileage on your on your hybrid, you

32:27

have to get one of these things. So how is that

32:29

connected to the to the vest? Is it through

32:31

bluetooth l a? Or It's just bluetooth l

32:33

a. So there's a looks like a button

32:35

on the side and you just push it. It

32:37

pairs so you have a

32:39

secure connection. And

32:41

then this tells me everything from what

32:43

temperature it's currently set for to what my

32:45

battery condition is. And it's got enough battery

32:47

in here for well, at least for ten

32:49

hours because that's how much I used it

32:51

for the trip from Las Vegas

32:53

to San

32:53

Francisco. So funny. Yeah. It's It's

32:56

actually nice a really nice piece of tech. And

32:58

I used this at CES because

33:00

I was in a short sleeve shirt the

33:02

entire time and outside it was quite

33:04

cold. Wow. And inside, super

33:07

hot. Yeah. Well, that's quite a good

33:09

haul. So, Flo,

33:11

why don't you round us out?

33:13

With the with a little bit of lightning round with

33:15

some of the the cool weird stuff that you

33:17

saw. So tell me about

33:19

the premise portal.

33:21

Alright. The premise portal guess

33:23

what? All that cloud gaming, those handhelds

33:25

that are coming out, they're actually running

33:27

Android. Remember, the Nintendo Switch

33:29

technically runs Android. It's just

33:31

Nintendo's version. Well, this previous portal looks like a

33:34

Nintendo switch and it lets

33:36

you play games from the Play Store

33:38

Fr I I'm assuming any

33:40

cloud games. And one of the things

33:42

that's interesting is apparently, it lets you

33:44

do VR. I didn't get to try

33:46

this

33:46

one. My editor

33:48

did But from,

33:49

you know, what we're seeing, there's I

33:52

feel like there's gonna be more of these coming

33:54

out this year. Lenovo's

33:57

e ink

33:57

they they have an e ink

34:01

laptop that's Wait. So,

34:02

like, a a laptop that's, like, basically,

34:04

like, a

34:05

Kindle. Actually, so I'm sorry, not a laptop.

34:07

They have an ink tablet that

34:10

I am

34:12

escaping the name of right now. But, basically, it runs Android,

34:14

which was something that Lenovo told

34:17

me. We have on screen

34:20

for those watching the video feed is actually the ThinkBook

34:22

plus. That's the ink. That's

34:24

the ThinkBook plus twist.

34:26

Right? Mhmm.

34:28

Yes. Is that what it is? The Lenovo ink tablet

34:31

is called Lenovo Smart

34:33

Paper. And that is the

34:35

one that got people very

34:38

excited because we're kind of

34:40

really trying to go back to,

34:42

you know, pen

34:44

and paper with but digitally.

34:46

And so I was told by Lenovo

34:48

folks, hey, by the way, this runs Fr,

34:50

which is always an interesting tidbit.

34:53

And because of that, you can

34:55

actually siloed apps onto it.

34:57

Cool. Cool. If you can get an APK,

34:59

you could siloed that into

35:01

the I did get to see some Wear OS watches,

35:04

which was kind of cool

35:06

because all we talk about is these are Samsung

35:08

and Pixel

35:10

So the no

35:11

watch, not a Wear OS watch,

35:13

but definitely something that caught my

35:15

eye very beautiful TWiT

35:18

uses Philips's electrodermal activity

35:21

biosensing technology to

35:23

basically aggregate all

35:25

the data that your other smartwatches do. But the difference is

35:27

that there is no display on the actual watch.

35:30

Instead, you have these

35:32

interchangeable

35:33

stone faceplates,

35:36

and they're made of real stone. We what?

35:38

I okay. Well, you gotta explain

35:40

Several times over. Am I staring

35:42

at a stone on a wrist?

35:45

Yes. This is a stone. And then underneath the stone is

35:47

a bunch of sensors that

35:50

tracks

35:50

oh, kidding. Okay. I got

35:53

it. Yeah. I got it. And then

35:55

you change out the stone based on what you're wearing. So, you know, and

35:57

I was told that they were all sustainably

35:59

mined stones.

36:03

That's how you Of course. Because as you as you

36:05

will As you would. As

36:07

you would. The know watch is

36:09

actually available now for five hundred

36:11

dollars each of the

36:11

yeah. It is a very

36:14

niche product. I mean, for five hundred

36:16

dollars, I I kinda wanna screen.

36:18

Yeah. Just

36:20

mean, I did see the app, which I didn't have I didn't publish any

36:23

pictures of them, but they have a very cool app

36:25

with, like, cool visualizations. But

36:28

It's obviously like a third party thing. So but

36:31

I like the concept of

36:33

not, you know,

36:36

What are my stats today? How much you

36:38

know, how did my sleep, my nap?

36:40

What kind of, you know, stats did I

36:42

get from my nap today? Like, So

36:46

let's just help with that.

36:48

The other watch that I got

36:50

to look at was the Fossil Gen six

36:53

Hybrid Wellness Edition. And this one is cool

36:55

because it's based on the Wear OS watches that

36:58

Fossil makes already the Gen six. But the

37:00

difference is that

37:02

these have e ink in

37:04

the background. So they have a

37:06

manual watch face for those of us

37:08

who stole love watches and more of the

37:10

old the old ways. Mechanical watch

37:12

face, I I should say. And then behind

37:14

it is an eight inch screen that

37:16

you can customize to your heart's delight.

37:18

You can put like an e wallpaper if you wanted

37:20

to. You can choose which

37:22

complications show on there, or you can

37:24

choose from Fr own

37:26

watch faces that they provide

37:28

for you. The thing that I

37:30

found very interesting about this though

37:32

is that in my meeting with Fossil, they

37:34

told me that Most of their e ink

37:37

watch razors are actually iPhone users

37:39

who want something that isn't

37:41

the Apple Watch. And so even

37:43

though the watch is technically Wear OS based, because Google built in

37:45

that iOS integration into

37:48

the software, you can still

37:51

allow for iOS users to get in there and get

37:53

the data from

37:54

it. The

37:55

reason we don't have that on Pixel and

37:57

Samsung watches is because they chose

37:59

not to do that. They chose to keep things

38:01

exclusive and you can do, like, different things

38:03

now with that exclusivity between, you

38:05

know, a watch and like

38:07

a certain phone. But just in

38:09

this case, it's it's kind of an agnostic way to get

38:11

a smartwatch and you get something

38:14

more traditional. I

38:16

kinda like the analog thing. It that's I love it. Doing

38:18

it for me.

38:19

Really? I love it. Now

38:21

I'm gonna be honest, I had a first

38:23

gen hybrid watch from

38:26

Fossil. It didn't have the screen behind it, but I definitely I

38:28

just love the simplicity of it. And

38:31

so I've I've asked

38:34

fossil for review units. So looking at my hands on one

38:36

of these and try it out.

38:38

The the last watch that I

38:40

saw is a major shout out

38:42

to our all about Android fam.

38:44

It is remember, guys. E by now took

38:46

over the Moto Watch

38:49

IP. I

38:50

know. And and they've made the most interesting names

38:54

ever. I know. Another

38:56

fun fact by the

38:58

way, they're based in

39:00

Vancouver. Oh, wait what? Slight

39:02

eight. Yes. Which I thought

39:04

was interesting. Yeah. Now this is technically yes a

39:06

Motorola watch, but it's not made by Moto

39:08

or Lenovo. It is made by e

39:10

by now.

39:12

And what they're trying to do is have this, like, affordable set

39:14

of smartwatches that run Wear OS.

39:16

They are also platform agnostic. So

39:18

if you wanted to use this

39:21

on an iPhone, you could get the

39:23

app that corresponds with it. What I

39:25

found very compelling about them though

39:27

is that the Moto Watch one

39:29

hundred in particular they announced at CES that it would

39:31

have fall detection. And so it's one of the

39:34

cheapest smartwatches right now that

39:36

has that

39:38

ability. So if you have a

39:40

friend or family member that, like, you

39:42

wanna, you know, help

39:44

keep keep watch on

39:46

from afar, you could theoretically buy them this hundred dollar watch,

39:48

and it would let you, like

39:50

it would let you essentially care take

39:54

remotely. Not

39:54

yet. Actually, a hundred bucks for for a full

39:57

sensor capable watch. Okay. Yeah. That's

39:59

pretty cool. It runs Wear OS

40:01

apps. So it's in the

40:03

Android ecosystem. But I mean, it's not

40:05

so worth it. Got the usefulness of

40:07

a smart rock on your wrist, but

40:09

but I could see people

40:11

liking this. Excuse me, a

40:12

sustainably sourced Oh, I'm sorry. I

40:14

was a sustainably sourced Smart Rock. That

40:18

that's okay. The

40:20

last sort of bits, I'm

40:22

gonna give you an anecdote about this next

40:24

one, which is matter

40:28

was obviously majorly on display at CES. What matter is, it's a

40:30

new protocol that is coming to the

40:32

Internet of Things to the smart home. It

40:34

uses thread and bluetooth l

40:36

e. And partially

40:38

WiFi to tell what

40:40

devices are on the network and help them all, like, talk to

40:42

each other. It is gonna

40:43

simplify a lot of things in

40:45

the

40:45

smart home. The best demo that I have I had of it

40:48

though was one that I did

40:50

not even

40:54

launch off myself. Yeah. I I didn't

40:56

even well, I didn't even Can

40:58

we think

40:58

of the Romanian word right now? I walked

41:01

by the Nano Leaf booth. And

41:03

my phone

41:04

buzzed in my pocket. And I'm like, what is going on?

41:06

Who's bothering me? I'm in a meeting. And

41:08

it was the Nanoleaf Boost trying

41:10

to pair with my Pixel device. Using

41:14

matter. And I was like,

41:16

it's supposed to be that easy. And --

41:18

Interesting. -- listeners, it was

41:22

Wow. It was

41:23

kind of a nice

41:23

work. It's I just

41:26

took a screenshot. I felt like It's

41:30

a So stay tuned for the future of the smart home with matter. That's

41:32

that's good. I I feel like that's

41:34

that's good to hear that it was

41:36

on display in massive

41:38

ways because if it's gonna get

41:39

adopted, it has to be. It's gotta be

41:41

those OEMs and those manufacturers have to be

41:43

using it. Right? So that's that's

41:45

great to see. Well, and I actually got to sit

41:47

down with the CTA, which is the the

41:50

connectivity excuse me, the CSA,

41:52

the connectivity

41:54

standards alliance. And, you know, all the big

41:56

players are on it. So that it's

41:58

definitely something that you should be building your

42:00

smart home around

42:02

this year. Lastly, lastly. So you've

42:04

got this one. Yes. Hello. You've

42:06

been you've been on a journey with Android

42:08

Auto for the past year, I feel

42:10

like. Right?

42:12

Yes. I have. So so do you

42:14

feel like you turned a corner with with

42:17

Android Auto after after this

42:19

next

42:19

one? Or I'm

42:21

curious. The tone of voice would

42:24

suggest

42:25

not. No. I have turned the

42:28

corner. The new Android

42:30

Auto is I think it's called Cool Walk. It is

42:32

awesome. It is faster. It's more

42:34

responsive. It's easier to navigate when

42:36

handed while you're driving

42:38

the car. And

42:40

what we got to see at CES was what they're

42:42

going to do in future EV

42:45

cars that are opting

42:47

what they're calling Google Automotive

42:50

Services? Yes. Yep.

42:53

So They

42:56

just you know, we're gonna have

42:58

HD maps. We're gonna have more integration with the HVAC. It's

43:00

it's all part of like,

43:04

play for every ecosystem to

43:07

just be natively

43:09

in the car And

43:11

I what I got out of it is I got to sit

43:13

inside a brand new Volvo, the first one in the

43:16

US that they had on

43:18

display. Cool. So whatever this model was from Sweden. I'm assuming it

43:20

Fr need in Sweden.

43:21

I just I had

43:22

no idea how to get out of it.

43:26

The way they're the way they're doing, like,

43:28

the door handles now, it's like How

43:30

do I get out of here? Like,

43:33

I just everyone

43:35

to make it

43:36

all like sci fi ish. Oh, amazing operating

43:38

system for the entertainment system. I couldn't get

43:40

out of the car. I had to crawl out of the back, but

43:43

It's a good way to keep you in the

43:45

car. So Excellent. Alright.

43:48

Well, that is that is a great trip TWiT memory

43:50

lane for CES. Thank you both. For the

43:52

recaps. I know there was probably so much more we didn't

43:54

touch on, but it's a master show and we can't do it. But

43:56

we're gonna close the book on CES,

43:58

at least all about Android until

44:00

next year. And

44:02

we're gonna talk a little bit about

44:04

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47:00

So Flow,

47:02

Tell us what's going on in Microsoft land with the Surface Duo.

47:04

You know, I had a

47:06

hard time believing it myself, but

47:10

Apparently, Microsoft has completely scrap plans for

47:12

a Surface 203. Wow. Because

47:14

apparently, the first two generations didn't

47:16

sell so well. Yeah. Yep.

47:20

I feel like that I've and I feel like

47:22

we we've we've been excited about the Surface

47:24

Duo because of, like, that Surface Duo too.

47:26

Everyone liked the form

47:28

factor. Yeah. Like -- Of course. -- like the little book the book style and

47:30

all stuff like it caught it it captured so

47:32

many so much of our imagination, but

47:34

it just it just didn't

47:38

take. No.

47:39

It didn't take at all. And, you know, I think this is an opportunity.

47:41

First of all, I'm still confused,

47:43

like, why Samsung or

47:46

oh, excuse me, Microsoft.

47:49

Why Microsoft is

47:52

kind of still keeping this alive

47:54

to be quite frank? Because

47:56

the first two didn't

47:59

it resonated with folks who, like,

48:01

really wanted this, but it didn't really

48:03

resonate with consumers the

48:05

way that the Samsung devices

48:08

are. And so I

48:10

do agree with some of the

48:12

leaks that are or the reports,

48:14

the speculation that Microsoft

48:16

is working on something with

48:18

a much more traditional folding screen versus

48:20

like the two side by

48:22

side. Screens. I mean, there

48:24

were people who were fans of the duo,

48:26

but Is that part? This

48:28

this is the first time Microsoft done this. I

48:30

mean, go back at the the

48:33

start of the iPad, they had

48:35

the courier, which a few of us actually

48:37

got to to take a look TWiT looked

48:39

really good. It was an innovative product, and it would have placed them

48:41

at a different place than Apple

48:43

in the tablet market. But

48:46

they didn't get enough from their feedback groups. And so they

48:48

scrapped it, and they had already manufactured

48:51

a number of units. So,

48:53

you know, I'm I'm I always every time something like

48:55

this happens at Microsoft, I'm always wondering

48:58

if someone got hired

49:00

or fired or moved into a different

49:02

position and then the successor

49:04

just decided, hey, I'm gonna kill every

49:06

project that was from this person Fr that's what

49:08

happens at studios all

49:10

the time. But, you know, this was a cool product. I was

49:12

really looking forward to to trying

49:14

it out. And a

49:16

pivot, a one eighty

49:18

degree pivot, it'll still be

49:20

interesting, but it's not exactly what I

49:22

wanted. It's it's it's a bummer because

49:24

I like the I mean, we

49:26

talked about I like different different -- Yeah. -- different things on the

49:28

marketplace. Right? Like and and Flow.

49:30

Like, I think you summed it up great, which is,

49:32

you know, they see what's going on

49:34

a Samsung and, like, we'll just do that. And

49:36

that just adds sameness and

49:38

boringness. Right?

49:40

And so I don't

49:42

know why the duo two

49:44

didn't work. You know, probably the price point

49:46

had something to

49:46

Yeah. It wasn't it wasn't cheap. Yeah. We

49:49

know why. It wasn't it wasn't a

49:51

good phone. That's that was, like, the main problem. See, this Samsung

49:53

makes phones. Windows makes

49:56

work machines. And so they

49:59

made this a work machine instead of something that was

50:02

much more handheld.

50:04

But the good news is if you have one

50:07

laying around, apparently, is gonna be

50:09

a a project

50:09

letting you dual boot Windows eleven and Android

50:12

on one. Nice. So

50:14

yep. you

50:16

what, Microsoft pays a lot of money

50:18

to product place those surface

50:20

tablets. I mean, every I mean, the

50:22

entire hospital on Grey's Anatomy is run

50:25

on surface. Balance. Right? So, like The

50:27

entire CW,

50:28

every single show on the CW.

50:30

Right.

50:30

When Tom Grady has

50:33

broken, I four of them already on prime time NFL.

50:35

So but you gotta wonder why they

50:38

didn't include the Surface slide, the Surface Duo

50:40

into a couple episodes of Grey's Anatomy

50:42

there. So set.

50:45

But it's a bummer. So, I

50:47

mean, I Victor, I don't wanna push

50:49

your your skills on you gotta do

50:51

there on the

50:52

TD, but, you know, hearing the funeral music for the Surface D03 the

50:54

Surface d o would be appropriate at this point. It's gonna

50:56

find the button. Yeah. Yes.

50:59

It's But but hopeful

51:00

of what Microsoft is able

51:03

to

51:03

airness. Oh, it's the really slow

51:06

one. It's the real

51:08

like it really draws it out. I like that. Twenty one screen

51:10

salute. Yep. So poor one

51:12

out for the Microsoft Surface Duo. Hopefully,

51:16

whatever they come up

51:18

with in their foldable screen design is

51:20

different than everything else out there in

51:23

the

51:23

marketplace. You know, every time a major manufacturer

51:25

kills a product like this that has already had

51:27

a small production

51:29

run, I always wonder what happens to those units.

51:31

They don't describe them. Yeah. I I

51:33

could could we get a hold of those? I

51:36

know. It's right. I

51:37

want one. It's cut it's

51:39

kinda it's kinda like how when you see the the pictures

51:42

of of kids in

51:44

Africa, and they're running around in the t

51:46

shirts of the the the world series

51:48

at the Secret Lost six. Right? The French

51:50

t shirts that couldn't get sold. Right?

51:52

So Yeah. So So some

51:54

demelification. They're all using these

51:55

devices. Right? And

51:57

so you've heard it from

51:59

Ron. There's gonna be some kids running around in Africa

52:01

with the Surface DUOs. It'll

52:03

be

52:03

fantastic. They're gonna have they're gonna have dual

52:06

screens and

52:08

and everything. Well, moving

52:10

on from the Surface Duo and coming

52:12

off a CES, who's

52:14

looking for a walkman? Because

52:18

if you are, someone might have the

52:20

answer that you're looking for. So

52:22

for you, Flo, I might need a slowness to

52:24

you. For you, youngens out there. Oh, my

52:26

god. You don't need to explain it to

52:28

me. Thank you very much. My one of my major

52:30

memories in life is being

52:32

six years old, listening

52:36

to any Lennox's album on cassette on

52:38

a walkman sports player

52:40

I found that my mom was using to

52:43

work out with. And just, like, sitting

52:45

on my bed and emoting. So it was a part of my life. Thank you. Right. So

52:48

the the walkman was the was

52:50

Walkman, I mean, immensely

52:52

popular handheld

52:54

cassette player that Sony manufactured from I

52:57

feel like from the seventies into the eighties.

52:59

They caught in the eighties, but

53:01

well into the nineties. We

53:03

all had the, you know, the the sport

53:05

ones, like you mentioned, Florida TWiT the yellow

53:07

with the gray tab that flipped it over to

53:09

lock it in place, and Walkman

53:12

was a a fixture on many

53:14

teenagers all through the

53:15

nineties. And I was delighted when I

53:18

saw Ron Amadeo over in

53:20

our secular technical writing about the new Sony

53:22

walkman that looks great

53:24

and is running Android

53:27

twelve. How about that? I mean, are they just

53:30

going for the retro fields? Or do you

53:32

think this might actually

53:34

become popular? I don't

53:36

know. I honestly don't know. I mean, they they've

53:38

been they've been making Android

53:40

powered walkman since twenty twelve. So it's not

53:42

like this is a new one, new new idea

53:45

of it. You know. But

53:47

they they rolled out

53:49

new models. Right? And it looks nice. I mean, look

53:51

at it. It looks cool. It says, It's a,

53:53

you know, it's it's got a three point six

53:56

inch touchscreen, twelve eighty by

53:58

seven twenty LCD screen on

54:00

it. It's got thirty two

54:02

giga storage. Supports WiFi and Bluetooth.

54:04

It's it says it's got

54:06

longer battery life, but but

54:08

it's In the original Walkman. It's

54:12

promising thirty six hours thirty

54:14

six hours of forty four one kilohertz

54:16

flack pay playback up to

54:18

thirty two hours of ninety six kilohertz flack high

54:20

resolution audio lack Okay. So

54:22

I I'm gonna ask I'm gonna ask the

54:24

question that I I think is should

54:26

be the table stakes

54:27

here. Why wouldn't people just use their phone to

54:30

do the exact same thing? Yeah.

54:32

High fidelity pod drives -- Oh,

54:34

yeah. -- high fidelity. I

54:36

forgot. Come on. You're not gonna put

54:38

all those files on your phone and

54:40

I, you know, I If Sony had

54:43

made this and it also

54:45

played cassette tapes, okay, then

54:47

I'd probably want one. But

54:49

right now, it's just

54:52

like a a really expensive phone

54:54

that doesn't do the phone part. I I have an

54:56

old mini disc player, Padre. got those never

54:58

get rid of that. I love mini disks.

55:00

I miss mini disks.

55:02

Yeah. Well, anyway, so looking at

55:04

this, it's the the whole device is

55:07

the eyes of a of a deck of cars, which

55:09

is not big. Right? Yeah. So, Patrick, you

55:11

talk about that, like, talk about a small, you know,

55:13

kind of device that you wanna take it on.

55:15

I don't know. It definitely I feel like

55:18

there's a niche audience that would want

55:20

this, and it's good that they've got a a

55:22

cool looking solid piece of

55:24

hardware that can do it. So I

55:26

mean, it could bring you back to the eighties watching

55:28

those old Hughes films like Pretty In

55:30

Pink or, you know, what what's the one

55:32

with Kevin Bacon for foot loose. Foot

55:34

loose. For the hero -- Yep. -- takes out their

55:36

mix tape and heroically slams it into a

55:38

walkman and slams it shut and then the

55:40

world

55:40

changes. So, you know, maybe -- Exactly. -- maybe it's

55:43

time for that again. Alright. Well,

55:45

so moving on from

55:47

that flow, while we've all been busy

55:49

recovering from CES, there Fr some leaks on

55:51

the Samsung side of the

55:53

world. Well, it's even just leaks. Right? Because

55:55

the I mean, there's an

55:57

event happening soon, which I

56:00

will be there and, you

56:02

know, that's that's coming up next month. So It's gonna be yeah. We talked about that last It's

56:04

gonna be in San Francisco. Right? That's

56:06

right. And so that's good

56:09

news for anybody who's shopping for a Samsung flagship and

56:12

wants, like, the latest and greatest. But what's been

56:14

interesting is just the leaks that are coming

56:16

out. And I think one of

56:18

them that has received the most buzz

56:20

is the Galaxy s twenty

56:22

three. Not only have the has

56:24

the camera the

56:26

camera lenses on the backside and sort of found

56:29

their positions. But we're

56:31

also we're also

56:34

speculating that it's going to come

56:36

with a two hundred megapixel sensor

56:41

on the ultra variance. Excuse

56:44

me. Because usually what

56:46

Samsung does is they have three tiers. They

56:48

have, like,

56:50

the base est tier, the plus s

56:52

tier, and then they have the ultra s tier, which

56:54

is like the Big

56:56

Kahuna. And

56:58

so we've all just kind of been studying these to see

57:00

what's gonna I have to say though

57:02

whatever I have seen doesn't

57:06

show whole, like, major difference from the

57:08

Galaxy Fr twenty two.

57:10

It's it's still it still looks

57:12

a

57:13

little iPhone y?

57:15

It does. A little

57:15

bit. I have a question.

57:18

Okay? So I've

57:18

I've been out of the the android

57:21

market for a while, but How

57:23

do we get to s twenty three? I have an S2I

57:26

have an S4034.

57:29

I'm surprised those aren't

57:31

your day

57:32

drivers. How many did I

57:33

miss? Ten and then went and then went twenty one twenty two. Okay. Okay.

57:35

So there was a there was a gap. I didn't

57:38

miss, like, a little

57:40

ten phones. They they

57:42

jumped they jumped to a line with the year of

57:44

release. Right? Fine. Got it. Okay.

57:46

Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.

57:48

I I thought that maybe I had

57:50

fallen asleep and Rip Van Winkle the Simpsons I was gonna say it's

57:52

it's it's tech Rip Van Winkle trying to

57:54

drive you crazy too. It's like Look at how many of

57:56

them have.

57:58

Yeah. So alright. Well, we'll see what they have unpacked. I'm sure we're

58:00

all very excited and flow. I'm jealous that you get to go

58:02

in person because I'll be watching from

58:06

home. I'm crossing my fingers, and we gotta make the

58:08

joke every time. I'm crossing my fingers for some sort of elaborate Broadway s

58:10

performance. Yeah. So in

58:14

San Francisco, Hey. Give it give it a little

58:15

bit of a, you know, a cash flow mission

58:18

vibe to it. We're talking

58:20

about TWiT. Yo.

58:22

I went I went to the opera in New York and after going

58:24

to opera in San Francisco, that's it.

58:27

I'm spoiled. Yep. Thank

58:30

you. Anyway. Alright. So that's gonna wrap it up

58:32

for hardware, and we're gonna talk about

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with that, let's move on

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to apps. Alrighty. So

1:01:14

little moment in time for you

1:01:16

both. Say what you will. I'm sure we all

1:01:18

have our opinions about what's been going on over

1:01:20

Twitter over the past couple of months to see you

1:01:22

all must took over. Not talking about Elon

1:01:24

Musk. I'm not talking anything specific.

1:01:26

But due to my job, due to

1:01:28

our lives, stuff like that, you

1:01:30

just can't like, I've been saying everybody, like, it was like, oh, they're gonna go to mass it out. They're gonna go to a

1:01:32

high social. I'm like, no. Twitter's not going anywhere. It's

1:01:34

too you know, it's like right?

1:01:36

And so,

1:01:38

inevitably, we I have downtime,

1:01:40

I have my phone, I I look at

1:01:42

Facebook, I look at Twitter, I look at

1:01:44

Google News, I do my whole

1:01:46

cut around, And the other night, I was just sitting there with my kids. They watching

1:01:48

some some kids some sesame Street

1:01:50

thing. And I'm, like, let me look at

1:01:52

Twitter real quickly. And I think, actually, I

1:01:54

I wanted to look specifically

1:01:56

someone was saying, so I opened up Talend, and I pulled it

1:01:58

down to refresh the feed. And then I went to

1:02:00

go search for it. I was gonna search for it, and I got

1:02:02

no results. I was like, you know, that's weird. And

1:02:05

I did another search and I got no results. I'm like, that's weird.

1:02:08

Weird. I went back to my feed and I noticed it hadn't been

1:02:10

updated for several hours. I pulled it down again

1:02:12

to refresh. No refresh.

1:02:15

And I went, Oh, no. Don't tell

1:02:17

me that. And then I went over

1:02:19

to the Talent Twitter account where

1:02:21

the awesome Luke

1:02:24

linker, who's the guy behind Alan, my my Twitter app for

1:02:26

years had posted that,

1:02:29

you know, it seems

1:02:32

as if API access for talent has been cut off,

1:02:34

and then he further adds in saying

1:02:36

that it is not

1:02:38

just us, It's a it looks

1:02:40

as if it's everybody

1:02:42

else. And it looks like

1:02:44

late last week, Twitter just turned off

1:02:46

third party apps and didn't say

1:02:48

anything, and we haven't heard anything from

1:02:50

them regards to it. But as of

1:02:52

now, Talend pretty much is

1:02:54

useless, which is a

1:02:56

huge bummer. And it's a huge bummer for anybody who uses anything

1:02:58

else other than the

1:03:00

main Twitter

1:03:02

app. So the the

1:03:04

the to me, this is

1:03:06

undefensible. I don't

1:03:07

know. But but what do you what do you guys

1:03:09

think? I mean, it's we shouldn't be fries,

1:03:11

I guess. It's obviously a play for for more

1:03:13

revenue. I mean, he talked about this at

1:03:15

the beginning that it the API costs

1:03:17

Twitter TWiT pretty penny, both in developers

1:03:19

and in hosting. And he thinks

1:03:21

that third party developers should be paying for the

1:03:24

privilege to be able to display the the

1:03:26

content that he now

1:03:28

owns. Now, most of us would disagree with that, and I think it's terrible. And it's just

1:03:30

the apps to read and

1:03:32

write on Twitter, my bot,

1:03:34

the bot that I wrote, several

1:03:37

years ago and I've been tweaking all this time to to

1:03:39

get rid of the most toxic Twitter users,

1:03:41

that doesn't work anymore. That's

1:03:43

now broken. So any of these

1:03:45

homebrew solutions, they're they're also gone. And it's

1:03:48

it's the only thing that makes sense

1:03:50

is that he would like this

1:03:52

to be a subscription service. This is

1:03:54

Twitter plus. If you wanna access it with an

1:03:56

API, which will give you all this

1:03:58

extra stuff or he might be rolling it into

1:04:00

into Twitter if you're Twitter blue,

1:04:02

yeah, you can access the API. No

1:04:04

problem. And like you,

1:04:06

I'm gonna be riding Twitter into the

1:04:08

ground, but I feel like this is getting it closer to the ground. There's already a

1:04:10

couple of communities on Twitter that are

1:04:12

ghost towns and to

1:04:14

kill

1:04:15

the API, I I don't

1:04:18

see that helping that situation.

1:04:19

Yeah. Yeah. And

1:04:21

being in this android space

1:04:23

for such a long time. I remember

1:04:26

the days of where it

1:04:28

was just very frustrating to try and make a third

1:04:30

party Twitter app because you only had, like,

1:04:32

so many against. Right. Right. And that sort of thing. And

1:04:35

I remember the fight to, like, to

1:04:37

increase that capability, so we would

1:04:39

have more third party Twitter clients. And

1:04:41

so this is just, like, TWiT

1:04:44

feels like a really

1:04:46

awful way to put an end to an era without

1:04:48

even giving it a

1:04:50

chance

1:04:50

to, like, be memorialized because Right.

1:04:52

Fr a lot of these people, it

1:04:54

was this it

1:04:55

was a lifeblood. Now, they don't have

1:04:57

it anymore. And and and that's and that's the thing is

1:04:59

and it's actually funny because

1:05:02

I wanna pull it up because I ironically,

1:05:04

when I switched over

1:05:07

to when

1:05:10

I so at that point, I to was for reason.

1:05:12

Right? I was, you know, I was

1:05:14

one hundred percent, like, going to use

1:05:16

Twitter for a reason. And

1:05:19

one of the so I popped over

1:05:21

to the Twitter app, which I do keep installed

1:05:23

on my phone because, you know, sometimes I you

1:05:26

know, like, you know, you just have both and that of

1:05:28

thing. Alright. Well, I need to get to

1:05:30

Twitter. Let me see if I can get to Twitter. And in their

1:05:33

stupid algorithm that the Twitter

1:05:35

app. Like, it's it's I find a fascinating how

1:05:37

different the experience between the timeline

1:05:40

experience of talent versus the

1:05:42

algorithm experience of the Twitter

1:05:44

app is. But ironically, in their algorithm, one

1:05:46

of the tweets of someone that I don't follow

1:05:48

that bubbled up into my feed was

1:05:50

Corey Doctorow, who I actually

1:05:52

I realized I don't follow, which I should follow

1:05:54

because he's a good dude. But it was

1:05:56

him complaining about how Twitter

1:06:00

is burying mentions in

1:06:02

the app, how you can't easily see

1:06:04

replies. And it's just like, it

1:06:06

it further it further goes and shows and I can't actually find the exact tweet

1:06:08

where he's talking about it. But it further goes and

1:06:11

shows that, like, whatever machinations or

1:06:13

stuff that's going on, either

1:06:16

buy Elon Musk or whoever else is at Twitter because

1:06:18

he's, you know, like, say it was very easy

1:06:20

to identify Musk as the problem.

1:06:23

And as

1:06:23

the, you know, the person who came in and changed everything and

1:06:25

stuff like that. But, like, even

1:06:28

despite the layoffs, there's still thousands of people that

1:06:30

work there. Like, he like, they're not you

1:06:32

know, they're there there are people having product conversations before came

1:06:34

on board and after Elon came on board

1:06:36

and it's and it's

1:06:40

just a lot of the decisions are just baffling,

1:06:42

and I don't think that this is

1:06:44

continues to be a difficult thing.

1:06:47

Like, you like, I would pay for Twitter

1:06:49

TWiT if you, like, give me the edit button. Let

1:06:51

me, like, let me choose all these features. Let

1:06:54

me use a third party app. All this sort of stuff

1:06:56

because, like, I happily pay for numerous monthly

1:06:58

subscriptions of services I like. I still pay

1:07:00

for push bullet because I support it.

1:07:02

Right? Like, I

1:07:04

I do see value from what Twitter can TWiT continue

1:07:07

that value, but

1:07:09

don't make decisions that

1:07:12

affect me without either either talking about it

1:07:14

or justifying it or even explaining TWiT, you

1:07:16

know. So I don't

1:07:17

know. I'm babbling now, but that that's kind of

1:07:19

my thought. No. It makes sense if you

1:07:21

if you really see that he's trying to drive Twitter

1:07:24

Blue adoption. It's the same reason

1:07:26

why on Twitter, on the on the

1:07:28

web interface, that you no longer

1:07:30

have the option to see chronological.

1:07:32

Remember, you could revert back to just show me

1:07:34

what's happening as it's happening.

1:07:36

Now it's grouped into for you and who

1:07:38

you're following. And the reason why he's

1:07:40

doing that is he wants to be able

1:07:42

to to downgrade, to push down anybody

1:07:44

who's not Twitter Blue. Even within your

1:07:46

own feed, he wants to make see who

1:07:48

are paying for the service.

1:07:49

Yep. And so

1:07:50

I I understand why he's

1:07:54

doing TWiT. He's doing it

1:07:56

in a very ham fisted way and he they're

1:07:58

essentially doing live development

1:08:00

rather than testing it out first before

1:08:02

they deploy. Which is terrible in

1:08:05

in any circumstance. But, you

1:08:07

know, for us who have been who

1:08:09

have spent a lot of

1:08:11

time and resources curating and developing our

1:08:13

Twitter communities into something that's useful. Yeah. You're right. It's

1:08:16

incredibly frustrating.

1:08:20

Yep. So so I don't know.

1:08:22

It's a bummer because Talend was a great app. Lou Klinker

1:08:25

is a

1:08:28

great developer. And it's just it's

1:08:30

a huge bummer. Oh, and by the way, delete my tweets, no longer works.

1:08:35

Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, no. I really needed

1:08:37

that. There were a couple of services that used the API to wipe your

1:08:40

account. That's that's odd. That's

1:08:42

cool. Think about all those, like,

1:08:45

tell you who's following you, who doesn't fun. Think

1:08:47

about the entire Hold on. Infrastructure that's been built around Twitter, and part of it

1:08:49

was like and maybe

1:08:51

this is like carryover of a

1:08:53

web two o thing and this idea of the future of the the Internet and communities

1:08:55

and all this sort

1:08:58

of stuff. But, like, one of the great

1:09:00

things was that Twitter was so open and was so, like, hey, you know,

1:09:02

here's the API. Go hack at it. Go build stuff out of it.

1:09:04

And, like, I hate to see that

1:09:07

part of it go away. You

1:09:08

know. Yeah. I don't know.

1:09:10

Yeah. So but again, that makes sense if Musk sees

1:09:12

those third party apps and

1:09:14

says you're just piggybacking on

1:09:17

my property. Yeah. That's that's the new Twitter. It it belongs to someone. It's not a

1:09:20

community resource.

1:09:24

It's somebody's property. Yeah.

1:09:26

Somebody yeah. It's a bummer. So so poor one out. I I hate to make Victor

1:09:29

play the

1:09:32

funeral music I don't want it to be dead,

1:09:34

but let's let's put it on life support. Don't play the funeral music yet. Like, hopefully, a solution

1:09:36

presents itself and then becomes a way for

1:09:38

talent. I'm still keeping it on my

1:09:40

phone. I'm not

1:09:42

gonna give up the ghost on TWiT, but I hope some days

1:09:44

starts working. It's okay. That version of taps

1:09:46

will take several years to finish. So

1:09:48

And I I already know where the pipe dead. We

1:09:50

already know where the button is. So Anyway,

1:09:57

alright. So bummer on talent. Flow, anything interesting going

1:09:59

on at Google in the tablet space? Anything interesting going on

1:10:01

at Google,

1:10:03

boy, that's a loaded statement.

1:10:07

Yeah. You know, the Google Discover the

1:10:09

Google Discover. So Google

1:10:12

Discover, which is

1:10:14

the the thing that lives in the left hand side of

1:10:16

your Android device if you enable

1:10:18

it. That is apparently getting a

1:10:21

three column UI. And the

1:10:24

speculation is that this is because

1:10:26

of the upcoming pixel tablet, but

1:10:28

I will say that this looks

1:10:30

very similar to the way that Chrome. Chrome

1:10:32

for mobile now works on Android devices.

1:10:34

It actually not just Android devices. I

1:10:37

think it might work the same

1:10:39

on iOS. But basically, When

1:10:42

your screen expands and it

1:10:44

notices that it's a larger resolution, it'll

1:10:46

give you more columns so that

1:10:49

information is presented in a much more

1:10:51

organized fashion. And it also just sort

1:10:53

of like turns your tablet into a

1:10:55

reader -- Right. -- situation

1:10:57

so that you're like tapping

1:11:00

around thumbnails of headlines instead of just

1:11:02

like going thing going through things

1:11:03

piecemeal. So I'm I'm,

1:11:07

of course, just excited for anything that means Android

1:11:09

is gonna be considered for

1:11:11

the tablet because I

1:11:14

would like to see them develop this technology

1:11:16

and expand it to just the regular

1:11:18

phones. Like, for example, this this this

1:11:21

is not my daily driver. This is

1:11:23

a POS, but I'm using it. This isn't like an LG

1:11:25

NV two. I think they actually just

1:11:27

gave them away. But if

1:11:29

I hooked this up to the same USB

1:11:31

see dock that I use for my laptop, it display on on the big

1:11:33

screen that I have for my

1:11:35

my laptop. If they would add that feature so

1:11:37

that it would three column the screen to fill up

1:11:40

the six by nine,

1:11:42

I would absolutely love that. I mean, that would make it usable versus what it is right now,

1:11:44

which is I have

1:11:47

to turn it sideways and

1:11:49

get a super expanded Android screen. So do was do

1:11:51

you hear any indications that maybe this might be

1:11:54

for more than just Android

1:11:56

tablets?

1:11:59

Yes. I do think that this is

1:12:02

well, okay. So they're updating the Google

1:12:05

app with this ability and

1:12:07

the changes rolling out to existing

1:12:09

tablets, including Samsung's tab

1:12:11

s eight. Okay.

1:12:16

Okay. But Yeah. So I think it'll

1:12:18

just depend on on an update through the play store at this point. Right.

1:12:20

And they already

1:12:23

made that ability in

1:12:25

Chrome, some mobile. That looks really

1:12:27

good. Oh, actually. I kinda Yeah. Okay. I'm vibing I mean, it it's Fr it's taking everything we know

1:12:29

about responsive web design

1:12:31

and applying it. You

1:12:34

know, in this space about, like, okay. You have

1:12:36

a you have a device that has this

1:12:38

width. So therefore, move from one column to

1:12:40

two column to three column. Right? So, like,

1:12:42

that's pretty cool. Which And this We now it's

1:12:44

much harder than it used to

1:12:46

be. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. Sorry about

1:12:48

that.

1:12:48

I was gonna say and this

1:12:50

is why, like, Android, a little more

1:12:53

than iPad OS in some instances because they're actually figuring out this

1:12:55

way -- Yes. -- that you can no.

1:12:59

Okay. I'm down. Oh, alright. You've convinced

1:13:02

me I'm gonna get a tablet again. I haven't had an Android tablet probably for about eight

1:13:04

years. Don't

1:13:07

don't buy a cheap one? No. No. I I mean,

1:13:09

father father Robin, I have the

1:13:12

Lenovo one, which one

1:13:14

which one is that I

1:13:16

love. The p ten? You have the

1:13:18

p ten? No. The m ten. The m ten. Okay. That's the entry level one.

1:13:20

Oh, yeah. Oh, no.

1:13:22

No.

1:13:23

No. The p eleven. Sorry.

1:13:25

The PLI

1:13:26

know some of the Huawei ones are really, really good. I'm Yeah. You know that I You don't any

1:13:29

place

1:13:31

tour on Oh, never mind. No. I have

1:13:33

the p eleven, the Lenovo Tab p eleven, which is and it sells

1:13:35

for, like, three

1:13:38

thirty, three fifty, fifty right now, and it's a solid, solid tablet. I I really

1:13:41

like it. Okay. Yeah. Actually, let's let's do

1:13:43

this. So diving back into

1:13:45

the market. Between the two of you, Which is the tablet I should

1:13:47

get? Eleven 00P eleven. Okay. Or

1:13:50

wait for the Chrome one

1:13:51

or wait for

1:13:54

the Google one. Flow Yeah. Or wait wait for the pixel tablet.

1:13:56

I would actually suggest you go for

1:13:58

a Samsung tablet instead, but Really?

1:14:03

I like their JAVS's. They're good.

1:14:05

Okay. Also,

1:14:06

there was what was

1:14:09

it? I know that chat rooms

1:14:11

gonna yell at me and and correct me, but there

1:14:13

was also the really

1:14:16

was it the Lenovo

1:14:18

Duet? What was the really

1:14:20

cheap The m ten.

1:14:21

That was the m ten. The it wasn't the m ten. There was, like, a there's,

1:14:23

like, cheaper tablet that is, like,

1:14:26

like, if I didn't get

1:14:29

the p eleven, I would have gotten that one, and

1:14:31

it would you know, like and I I forget it it might be the m I forget the exact

1:14:33

model, but it was something it

1:14:35

was, like, or the

1:14:38

idea pad? No. I don't know. They're looking bad, but that's,

1:14:40

like, a hundred percent what we're talking about. We're, like, oh,

1:14:43

it's like a two hundred dollar option. That's

1:14:45

really cool. Right.

1:14:46

Okay. Tab m ten h d.

1:14:48

Yep. I will do that. Yeah. But it it

1:14:50

functions like a hundred dollar tablet. Oh, yeah.

1:14:56

Okay.

1:14:56

And oh darn. You know what? Maybe I

1:14:58

should replace my phone first. How about how

1:15:04

about that? Maybe start there. I

1:15:06

will

1:15:06

upgrade to a one plus six. I think I think I'll let's start with that because that's only

1:15:08

a What else do you

1:15:10

want? Go

1:15:11

get yourself a pixel seven.

1:15:13

Get it on sale. It'll be like three hundred bucks. You know -- Okay. -- after some trade ins and stuff. This

1:15:15

is Vatican thing,

1:15:19

it really is. If

1:15:21

I'm if I'm walking around with a

1:15:23

brand new phone, everyone will notice. And they'll say, oh. That's Oh. And

1:15:26

not a good not

1:15:29

this is more of a father Robert problem.

1:15:31

That's a father Robert. Yeah. This is a father Robert. Yeah. Yeah. So Alright. Well, so

1:15:34

that we're wrapping up

1:15:36

apps and which brings us to my favorite time

1:15:38

of the week when we hear from our good friend JRFL who's got a

1:15:40

tip of the week for

1:15:42

us. His Android Intelligence tip and

1:15:46

Flo, it's almost like he knew you were gonna

1:15:48

be on the show because this week he's tipping all about

1:15:50

Wear

1:15:50

OS. So JR, what do you got for us?

1:15:53

Hey,

1:15:54

gang. So alright. Today's tip is for the Wear OS wearers among

1:15:56

us. I've been wearing the Pixel watch

1:15:58

since more or less when the thing came

1:16:00

out. Late

1:16:03

last year. And all in all, I've really been digging

1:16:05

it, but there's one part of

1:16:07

the experience that could definitely stand

1:16:09

to be a teensy bit

1:16:11

better. And that is the calendar.

1:16:14

As it stands now, the built in calendar tile that comes with Wear OS

1:16:16

is, say

1:16:20

a little lackluster. Just a simple look at the

1:16:22

next event on your agenda. That's it. No option for a more info

1:16:24

dense view right there on the

1:16:26

main tile. No ability to actually

1:16:30

edit or interact with the info in any way?

1:16:32

Now don't get me wrong. It's fine.

1:16:34

It's functional, but -- Yeah. -- we

1:16:36

can do better. And in a good

1:16:38

of timing, my all time favorite android calendar app

1:16:41

has got a nice little upgrade that gives us exactly what

1:16:43

we need to make that happen. The

1:16:47

app is called business calendar to

1:16:49

planner. Just a little bit of

1:16:51

a mouthful. How about we call

1:16:53

it business calendar for sure? You haven't heard

1:16:55

of it? Business Calendar is an awesome little upgrade from the

1:16:57

standard calendar setup on Android phones

1:16:59

and on

1:17:01

Chromebooks too. And this week, it's in the midst of

1:17:04

bringing the same spectacular take

1:17:06

on the Android calendar experience

1:17:08

into the Wear OS

1:17:10

environment. Once you get the app on your watch, you'll see options for

1:17:12

not one, but two new calendar

1:17:14

tiles that you can bring

1:17:17

into your sideways,

1:17:19

swiping smartwatch mix. The first is a new

1:17:21

calendar agenda tile that is way more useful than that stock wear OS calendar

1:17:24

tile we were

1:17:26

looking at a second

1:17:28

ago. Shows you a bunch of upcoming

1:17:30

events at a single glance. It's fully interactive too. You can tap any event

1:17:32

within it to open the event

1:17:34

up in a nicely designed full screen.

1:17:38

Interface. From Fr, you can see

1:17:40

all that events details and

1:17:42

access one tap options for rescheduling

1:17:44

or deleting the thing right then

1:17:47

and there. Let's see what else. The tile's got a handy little button at

1:17:49

his bottom edge that lets you pull up

1:17:51

an infinite scrolling view of

1:17:54

your entire calendar agenda Oh,

1:17:56

and that same view also gives

1:17:58

you some simple one tap options for adding new events into your calendar, albeit super

1:18:01

intuitive plain English

1:18:04

voice commands. If

1:18:06

all of that's not enough, the same single

1:18:08

tile gives you the option to switch

1:18:10

yourself over to a fully interactive monthly view

1:18:12

of your calendar

1:18:13

too. Just in case you ever need

1:18:15

to zoom out and gain some broader perspective. And

1:18:17

then there's a second edition, a more narrowly focused next event tile

1:18:20

for your pixel

1:18:23

watch or other Wear OS gadget. That one, as the name

1:18:25

suggests, shows you only the info for

1:18:28

the very

1:18:30

next event on your agenda. But unlike Google's built in where s

1:18:32

equivalent, this one lets you tap on that

1:18:34

next event to zip over to a fully

1:18:36

featured info viewing

1:18:39

and editing screen. Like we saw on

1:18:41

that other view a second ago. And it's also got one tap buttons for switching over to your full

1:18:43

agenda view. We're that

1:18:47

monthly setup too. All in all, it's one

1:18:49

heck of a nice upgrade for the Pixel Watch or whatever other Wear OS watch you might

1:18:51

be using. And once

1:18:54

you get the app

1:18:56

installed, take it like twenty seconds to

1:18:58

get the whole thing set up. Business calendar is free to use with an optional seven

1:19:00

dollar pro upgrade that eliminates

1:19:02

some adds from the app phone

1:19:06

interface and unlocks a handful of advanced features.

1:19:08

The app automatically syncs with

1:19:10

Google Calendar, Outlook

1:19:11

calendar, whatever calendar you got hooked up

1:19:14

and present on your phone. Really nothing to it. We'll toss link

1:19:16

into the

1:19:16

show notes for you. And hey, remember you can

1:19:18

get top notch tips like this in

1:19:22

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1:19:42

and I will absolutely see you back here next week.

1:19:47

Alright. Well, thank you JR. And so, Flo, you are a

1:19:49

resident Wear OS user. Do you have you heard

1:19:51

of this app before?

1:19:54

Yes. I

1:19:54

think I brought it into the arena once.

1:19:56

We even Really? Wow.

1:19:59

So are you actively using a

1:20:01

new pixel

1:20:02

watch? I'm not using

1:20:04

the Pixel Watch. I'm using the

1:20:06

Galaxy Watch four. And now I'm

1:20:09

gonna have to install it.

1:20:11

Back. So I can use this new

1:20:13

feature. I see, I appreciate j r

1:20:15

because I actually didn't know

1:20:18

that that was getting an update that was significant

1:20:20

enough for me

1:20:21

to, like, pay attention to on Wear OS.

1:20:23

So thank you, JR. What? Always

1:20:25

handy with his tips. You check out more of JR's tips over at Andrew Intelligence. We thank

1:20:27

him for sending him in on a

1:20:30

weekly basis. And with that,

1:20:34

time to hear from you, the all about Android community. You

1:20:36

can always email us at triple a

1:20:38

at TWiT dot tv. That's a at

1:20:41

twit dot tv. Or call us in with a voice

1:20:43

mail, A347 show AAA, where you

1:20:45

can email a voice mail, or a video mail, or

1:20:47

whatever. But a lot of you like to write, got

1:20:49

a lot of good ones this week.

1:20:51

So Flo, you

1:20:52

got the first one. Why don't you take

1:20:54

it away? Excuse me. This one is

1:20:57

exciting because this one is good for anybody who's going to

1:20:59

Chicago soon to do tourism. This comes

1:21:02

from Joe from

1:21:04

Fr. I've been

1:21:06

a fan for years and enjoy

1:21:08

watching you

1:21:09

guys every week. Last week on episode

1:21:11

six eleven. Question mark. You

1:21:13

guys were talking about magic eraser and I wanted to share a pick I took of downtown Chicago

1:21:15

over the summer. I attached the before and

1:21:18

after, which I think turned out

1:21:20

great.

1:21:23

This location out by the planetarium is my favorite view of

1:21:25

the city, especially as the city is

1:21:28

backlit by sunset

1:21:30

and the lights start coming on. Luckily, no chain link blocking

1:21:32

the view. Heck, so you

1:21:34

can't remove

1:21:35

that. Joe from Chicago.

1:21:37

Alright. Let's

1:21:38

look at his before.

1:21:41

Alright. Whoa. Okay. Hi,

1:21:43

mister Fico. Okay. I

1:21:45

see

1:21:46

it. I see that. Oh,

1:21:50

yeah. Oh, I like it really better

1:21:52

with the people, God.

1:21:55

No offense people. True. So

1:21:57

for our for our audio listeners, it's a wonderful view of the Chicago skyline. I gotta assume on

1:21:59

the lake, and the the the

1:22:02

before picture has some people sitting

1:22:07

on the grass in front of the lake any after they magically

1:22:09

disappear. So You know, III

1:22:12

realized that one of my

1:22:14

big regrets from the pandemic is not taking the opportunity

1:22:16

to take photos and videos

1:22:18

of all the empty spots

1:22:20

around Rome because that will never

1:22:23

happen again. Well, you can you can take them if you get

1:22:25

a pixel phone, you could take just a photo when

1:22:27

you go back and just use magic eraser

1:22:29

and make them empty again. So

1:22:31

There it is. As long as

1:22:33

there's no chain link fence. Oh, that's right. It doesn't like chain link. It it doesn't

1:22:35

want to do

1:22:36

that. TWiT sorry. I have I

1:22:38

have an

1:22:39

Android puppy

1:22:39

right now. This

1:22:43

is Burke

1:22:43

evolved as we

1:22:43

do a show. I was trying

1:22:46

to ignore that

1:22:47

Burke involved distraction as

1:22:49

we do a

1:22:51

show. Yeah. Yes. Alright. So let's move on

1:22:54

to our second email, which comes in from Dave, from down under in Adelaide,

1:22:56

Fr. Reacting

1:22:59

to the the two the the two factor authentication

1:23:01

conversation we've been having for the past couple

1:23:03

of weeks. And

1:23:06

Dave says, after seeing episodes six twelve's email week and

1:23:08

discussing around two factor authentication apps. I thought

1:23:10

I'd throw an option I've recently found

1:23:14

and I'm now using the free and open source Authenticator

1:23:16

Pro, which is available in the

1:23:18

Google Play Store, particularly if backup

1:23:20

security is a concern, you

1:23:23

can choose to encrypt back up locally only

1:23:25

to another device or into your cloud storage of choice and supports

1:23:27

import and export of individual

1:23:31

tokens. One of the really nice bonus features is that it also has a Wear OS

1:23:33

TWiT, so I can have it installed on my Pixel

1:23:35

Watch for quick app

1:23:38

quick access to my codes. Absolutely love your work team. It's become my Wednesday

1:23:40

at ritual to download and watch all that

1:23:42

Android here down under. Keep up the awesome

1:23:44

work. And thank you, Dave.

1:23:46

We appreciate you watching and enjoying.

1:23:48

Us and appreciate the

1:23:51

tip. And, you know, and it's basically the

1:23:56

the two factor authentication conversation continues and is fascinating,

1:23:59

you know, in terms of you always wanna make

1:24:01

sure you have it turned on

1:24:03

and especially if you're using an

1:24:06

app like Google Authenticator. Be mindful of where your backup codes are. If using one like offy where

1:24:08

you you're they're being

1:24:10

sorted, you know, on the cloud,

1:24:14

or something like this with Authenticator Pro. It's super

1:24:16

nice to be to have those

1:24:18

options out

1:24:19

there. So thanks Dave for writing in and

1:24:21

adding to the conversation. We appreciate it. Let me

1:24:23

ask you too about that, actually. So when

1:24:25

you do your your second factor authentication

1:24:27

and you get your backup codes,

1:24:29

because you have to store those

1:24:31

in case you lose the device, how do you store your codes? I I'm

1:24:37

not gonna reveal on the show

1:24:39

for the Robert Jesus. Mhmm. Give me a hypothetical. Someone like you. Where would keep it? Hypothetically

1:24:44

somebody hypothetically, you could manually

1:24:46

print them and put them in a fire safe a fire proof safe in, you know, in your house with

1:24:49

all the

1:24:52

other important that type of Exactly. Not

1:24:54

all of us have a catacombs under our house, Pedro, and I'm such I would like

1:24:56

an authenticator that

1:24:59

would let me authenticate two devices

1:25:01

at the same time so I could keep a

1:25:03

device in a drawer, like an old phone, just the case. Because those

1:25:07

backup codes have always the point failure me have to be someplace that I

1:25:09

can read them. Well, so so that that's

1:25:11

why that's why it's offy.

1:25:14

A lot of folks were we're we're saying, auth is a good option because it it is

1:25:16

storing them somewhere, and that's it. Oh, sorry. You

1:25:18

can go from there. So and and

1:25:21

actually, we did get another we

1:25:23

got a tweet from somebody posted on

1:25:26

Twitter about this topic, panzer underscore z, so whoever you

1:25:28

are. But

1:25:31

he says a a feature that might help ease your worries about backups to

1:25:33

off these. You can choose to manually sync new

1:25:35

devices, meaning no random

1:25:37

can add a device to your account. I have this turned on and only allows syncing when adding

1:25:40

a new device, which I then turn off once

1:25:42

added. And another 2FA app option

1:25:44

that option that people

1:25:46

forget about is Microsoft Authenticator. It

1:25:48

allows cloud backup and recovery as long

1:25:51

as you have a Microsoft account or an iCloud iCloud account. So lots

1:25:54

of options out

1:25:55

there. But Alright. With

1:25:58

that flow, take us away. Oh, look at

1:25:59

that. This

1:26:01

week, I get

1:26:03

to read the.

1:26:05

Email the week. Thank you to the

1:26:08

TD.

1:26:09

This one comes

1:26:12

from Benjamin.

1:26:14

Fr am what most people call

1:26:16

an enthusiast for ThinkPad laptops.

1:26:18

I think they are hands

1:26:20

down the best

1:26:23

laptops you can buy. As AGNU

1:26:25

slash Linux user, I really appreciate that Lenovo works with canonical

1:26:27

and fedora to ensure all

1:26:30

their ThinkPad laptops will be fully

1:26:32

supported by the Linux kernel, and they even sell most

1:26:34

of their laptops with an option to have fedora or Muuto from the

1:26:39

factory. I am a fedora user. So when I ordered my current ThinkPad

1:26:41

X1 Carbon, I selected it as the

1:26:43

OS is shipped with. Excuse

1:26:46

me. I could list off reasons to

1:26:49

love the ThinkPad's all day. So when I

1:26:51

saw the Moto Think Phone, it

1:26:53

was very intriguing. It is just unfortunate that

1:26:55

the phone is being made by

1:26:57

Moto. Geez. They have a

1:27:00

terrible track record with updating

1:27:02

their phones, and allowing the users to flash their own versions

1:27:04

of Android once support has ended.

1:27:06

Oftentimes, Moto phones are lucky to

1:27:08

get a single major Android version update

1:27:10

and that is really unfortunate. I would be

1:27:13

interested in purchasing a thing phone in the

1:27:15

future. If Moto is able to

1:27:17

show that they care about customers and support

1:27:19

the devices, Until then, I just stick with Pixel

1:27:21

phones. And you will

1:27:24

burn. Yeah. Now, I

1:27:26

would like to respond to

1:27:28

this. If I may.

1:27:29

Sure. Which is that yeah. You know, Benjamin, you

1:27:31

have a can

1:27:34

I call you

1:27:36

Ben? I don't wanna assume, actually. Let's I'm

1:27:38

not gonna

1:27:38

do that. But Benjamin, I feel where you're coming from, and I

1:27:40

did ask when I saw the thing

1:27:42

phone at CES what the update cycle

1:27:46

was gonna be like and I was told

1:27:48

that it would have nearly the same

1:27:50

update cycle as the current Samsung

1:27:53

and Google phones. Which is four years of

1:27:55

security updates and three years of

1:27:58

software version updates. My understanding

1:28:00

is that because the think

1:28:02

phone is going to be very

1:28:04

enterprise focus. So kinda, like, they're gonna

1:28:06

focus on selling this in bundles

1:28:07

so that they can

1:28:10

be, like, you know, deployed

1:28:12

amongst companies

1:28:15

of certain sizes, that this is

1:28:17

something that will be

1:28:18

a bit better managed than

1:28:21

the current crop of Motorola

1:28:23

consumer devices. Not to mention

1:28:25

that Lenovo has a big

1:28:28

I mean, they already

1:28:31

manufacture Motorola phones, but have a

1:28:33

bit of a stake in this because of

1:28:35

the branding that goes behind this sort of like

1:28:38

business such a

1:28:40

phone. But I do agree

1:28:42

that it is a very exciting, like, very intriguing phone. I really

1:28:47

liked the hardware. In person. It was the

1:28:49

most solid. I felt a monophone in a

1:28:52

while. But I will say that

1:28:54

some of the tricks that it

1:28:56

does they're just

1:28:58

fine tuned software tricks that already exist on some of the Motorola ready

1:29:04

for applications that you can

1:29:06

install on Windows. So maybe in that sense, there is a bit of

1:29:08

worry to be had

1:29:11

because it will be

1:29:14

we don't know if it's Motorola or Lenovo

1:29:16

sort of driving this. I think is

1:29:18

what I'm trying to say. So

1:29:21

I

1:29:22

think Benjamin is gonna

1:29:23

stick with the Pixel, which has been

1:29:25

seven generations on it. Yeah. Yeah. I

1:29:27

I think I thought the phone

1:29:29

compelling also. And it also flow it beg the

1:29:31

question, why did it take this long? It's a it's a

1:29:34

beefy phone. Right. True. Yeah.

1:29:36

It's

1:29:39

So Yeah. I can see I can see

1:29:41

Lenovo not wanting just to release

1:29:43

another phone to to fill up

1:29:45

the Moto name. So they were

1:29:48

looking for a niche. And and actually an

1:29:50

enterprise niche is not bad because that's a a built in user base

1:29:52

that is not just hardware

1:29:54

but services. So Yep. Yeah.

1:29:57

I could see

1:29:58

that targeting. Yeah. So Well -- Alright. -- Benjamin -- Well, there you have a better

1:30:01

writing in. Yeah.

1:30:03

And getting the Email.

1:30:08

Push

1:30:08

it. Push it. A week.

1:30:10

There it is. Unless, wait for

1:30:15

a second. Sorry. Well, that's gonna bring us

1:30:17

home to this Jason and Wyndless episode, but we gotta pod drain a flow.

1:30:19

That's so good.

1:30:23

So So, Padre, why don't you why don't you tell folks where they could find you

1:30:25

when you're not on all that android twice a

1:30:27

year? Well, yeah, exactly.

1:30:29

Well, you gonna be able to find what I'm doing on

1:30:32

TWiT. Twitter dot com slash padre s j.

1:30:34

I'm keeping my account there. As I told

1:30:36

you, I'm gonna be riding that thing right in

1:30:38

the ground. Although I am also on Mastodon at

1:30:40

padre yesterday, twit dot social. So you

1:30:42

can follow me anywhere. But if you

1:30:45

wanna find out what I'm up to,

1:30:47

Now the project specifically that I've been working on

1:30:49

is something called jesuit programmable dot

1:30:51

app. It's something that my office

1:30:53

has been working on. It's it's available in

1:30:55

both Android and iOS. It doesn't cost anything.

1:30:57

It's just a nice way to give

1:30:59

people a view

1:31:01

of Rome of the life of Saving Nations, who

1:31:03

was the founder of my order. And it also gives me a platform to continue developing. So

1:31:05

the more people who download, the

1:31:07

more people who enjoy

1:31:11

it, the more they'll let me work on stuff like

1:31:13

this. So again, that's jesuit pilgrimage

1:31:15

dot app. Go

1:31:17

ahead. Download it,

1:31:18

please. Do it. No. Seriously do it now. No. right after the show, just

1:31:20

go ahead and do it. Yeah. I'm gonna go

1:31:22

do it right

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now. Oh, thanks. And, yes,

1:31:25

it's

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responsive, so it will work

1:31:28

on both your phones

1:31:30

and your tablets. you. You know, the tablets.

1:31:37

Alright. Well, it's always good to have you back in studio, Padre. It's

1:31:39

good to see you. It's great to know. Where

1:31:41

can folks find

1:31:43

your great

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