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Coming up next on All About Android, it's

0:02

me, Jason Howell. We've got Ron Richards and Wyn

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Twitdown no longer in the studio sitting

0:06

with me, but they are, you know, zooming

0:09

in from their homes. We are also

0:11

joined by Mike Wolfson, who joins us every

0:14

year around I-O to either give a preview

0:17

or do a recap. This year, it's a

0:19

recap, so we're happy to have him. It is our

0:21

big Google I-O recap

0:24

episode. So we take a look at all the major

0:27

announcements, and let me just kind of spoil

0:29

the surprise a little bit. There's a ton of

0:31

AI at this year's Google

0:34

I-O, if you didn't already know. Hardware,

0:36

I mean, so much stuff coming from I-O. So we

0:38

have that. If you notice that this feed

0:40

is really long, that's because after

0:42

the credits, we've included our interview

0:45

from the Google campus with Dave Burke

0:47

and Samir Samat of the Google Android

0:50

team. We talk all about Android 14, the

0:53

keynote that they had just finished, literally

0:55

two hours prior to the interview. So

0:58

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now. Hello,

2:07

welcome to All About Android. This is your

2:09

weekly source for the latest news, hardware, and

2:12

apps for the Android faithful. I'm Jason

2:14

Howell. And I'm Ron Richards.

2:17

And I'm Wyn Twedau. And we are

2:19

all in our places. We're not together.

2:22

We're not all together. Not sitting

2:24

physically at this desk

2:26

the way we were just a week ago. What

2:28

a wonderful week that was, or episode,

2:31

and week, because I was a lot of

2:33

fun. We're going to talk all about it. But before

2:36

we get into that, just want to make mention that

2:38

we have our esteemed

2:41

return guest Mike Wolfson

2:43

joining us. MikeWolfson.com, Android

2:46

Google Developer Expert, and

2:50

all-around awesome guy, especially pre or

2:52

post I.O. It depends on the year. But

2:54

Mike, it's good to have you back.

2:57

Thank

2:57

you. And thank you for calling me esteemed.

3:00

Esteemed. That's the nicest thing anybody said about me. I

3:03

mean, just look at all those badges. Who

3:07

could have all those badges and not be considered

3:09

esteemed? True.

3:11

I mean,

3:13

if you're wearing those, I don't know how you

3:15

walk around. It's probably very heavy. I

3:18

will say that like it's

3:21

Pavlovian in me now that whenever

3:23

we start talking about Google I.O., I get excited

3:25

to see Mike. And so while

3:28

Mike, you're on the post I.O. show, I'm

3:30

glad that the multi-year tradition

3:32

of Google I.O. and Mike being on the show

3:35

is still in play. That's right.

3:37

That's right. It's good to have you here, Mike. So

3:40

we should note

3:41

before we right off the

3:43

jump here, this episode

3:45

is very long. You probably saw it in your

3:47

podcast feed and you're like, holy

3:50

moly, what's going on here? The

3:52

reason for this is that and

3:55

we're going to talk all about Google I.O. coming up here.

3:58

After the credits of this episode.

3:59

you get a bonus episode tacked

4:02

on to the very end. So last

4:05

Wednesday from Google IO,

4:07

when Ron and myself, we

4:10

were on the Google campus, we had the opportunity

4:12

to speak with Sumer Samat and

4:14

Dave Burke from the Android, from Google's

4:16

Android team, all about

4:19

everything that they talked about during the keynote.

4:21

And this was like two hours after the keynote

4:24

ended. So we felt very privileged

4:26

to be able to sit down with them. They had very busy schedules

4:29

and they gave us like 45 minutes to

4:31

chat with them. It was a lot of fun. And

4:34

the interview went out on our twit news

4:36

feed, twit.tv slash news.

4:37

But I

4:39

mean, you all who subscribed to this

4:41

show, you're the core audience for this information.

4:44

And so we figured, you know, why not just

4:46

put this interview at the end of this episode,

4:49

if you've already checked it out on the twit news

4:51

feed, you don't have to listen to it, you don't have to watch

4:53

it. If you haven't, we're saving

4:56

you the need to jump over there. You can just check it

4:58

out here. And yeah,

5:00

so you get a little bonus. You get two episodes in

5:03

one. That's our gift to you. How about that? And

5:05

it was a great fun conversation that like

5:08

flew by. Yeah,

5:09

I think it ended up being like about 45

5:12

minutes recorded or so. And you

5:14

can hear both. We've had Dave on the show before.

5:17

It was great to meet him in person, but to meet Sumer

5:19

as well and like hear from both of them from their perspective

5:21

about everything, all the stuff we're gonna talk about here in tonight's

5:24

show is we break down IO. But

5:26

as you mentioned, Jason, just coming literally

5:28

like almost less than two hours

5:30

after the keynote, like you could still get

5:32

the adrenaline radiating off a day from

5:34

his, like so many recaps of

5:36

the keynote that I saw called out

5:39

Dave's performance of like, and he

5:41

did a great job with those live demos and stuff

5:43

like that. And he talked a little bit about that during the interview.

5:45

So seriously, like I know personally for me,

5:47

it was the absolute, I mean, on

5:50

top of being in person with you both,

5:52

Jason, and Wynn and Burke and

5:55

Anthony and Victor and the whole crew, it was the

5:57

highlight of my Google IO just being able to sit down with

5:59

them and have like

5:59

a great, you know, like exclusive conversation.

6:02

So I hope everybody enjoys listening to it. Yes, indeed.

6:05

That is after the credits roll on this

6:07

episode. And this episode could just by itself

6:10

be a little bit longer because there was so much to talk,

6:12

so much news from Google IO.

6:15

So, uh, let's not dance around

6:17

it anymore. It's time to turn off

6:19

the music. It's time to get serious. Let's,

6:21

let's start talking about Google IO.

6:24

It's a time for the news. So

6:28

thanks for bringing that up about last week.

6:29

Um, and, uh, thanks for the kind words,

6:32

Ron. Cause I was a little salty.

6:34

You guys didn't bring me last week. Yeah,

6:37

we tried.

6:38

We tried. I can't tell you how many hours

6:40

I spent on the phone with, with Google reps

6:43

saying, look, Victor wants to come. He

6:45

wants to be here. Why can't Victor

6:47

make it? And they were like, you know, next year. And

6:50

so maybe there's hope. Thanks. That

6:52

makes me feel a little

6:53

bit better. That

6:56

whole last part there I fed into

6:58

an AI system and it told me to tell you

7:00

that I

7:01

do so I don't know if it's true, but

7:03

anyways, well, you know, it's not

7:05

true because there is no way to call

7:08

Google. Certainly

7:10

hope to. That was the part that I knew.

7:13

That's how you do. It was an AI system. I'll

7:15

just say, I appreciate the thought. There

7:17

we go. Okay. All right. Even from AI

7:20

Jason.

7:22

Before we did, before we dig into the

7:24

shows, had some great

7:26

pictures from, from Google

7:29

IO. I mean, yeah, yeah. The

7:32

link, uh, Victor in the doc above the news section,

7:34

there's a little photo album

7:40

there, uh, and you

7:42

know, I mean, Rarely

7:45

if ever, actually never before

7:48

uh, last Tuesday and Wednesday were

7:50

all of us in the same place at the

7:52

same time. So, you

7:54

know, had to, had to capture

7:56

it and, uh, when took a number of

7:58

photos, we got a bunch of.

7:59

really awesome. There's Victor in there, Michelle.

8:02

Uh, we got a bunch of awesome, uh,

8:05

group pictures and everything. Soft flow.

8:08

Yeah. For our audio listeners, these are all photos of

8:11

us, uh, at Google IO right

8:13

now. But, uh, yeah,

8:13

this is the first time I got to sneak, I've tried

8:15

to sneak into the press boxes at Shoreline

8:17

amphitheater for years, uh, just because

8:20

they're nice to sit in. They're a little more roomy,

8:22

uh, but they're pretty good with the bouncers. But

8:24

this year I managed to sneak into the press box with

8:26

these lovely folks and sit from there and flow.

8:29

I miss flow. I miss flow.

8:31

And

8:34

I'm so sad. And she was very proud of her,

8:36

uh, cloud, uh, Zit

8:39

patch, which is a conversation starter. Um, but

8:44

yeah, it was just really, really great to see everybody

8:46

in person and, and to be at Shoreline

8:49

with everybody and kind of experiences together.

8:50

Yeah. So actually, actually,

8:53

so let's, let's, um, just real quick,

8:55

spend, spend like a minute, uh,

8:57

talking about that aspect, because, uh, Michael

9:00

or Mike, um, when both

9:02

of you were at IO last year, Mike, you were

9:05

not at IO this year, but when

9:07

you were, um,

9:09

I mean changes, I mean, it did, it

9:12

is different. They let in more people, uh,

9:14

arguably we as a team

9:17

had more going on, but was

9:19

it an upgrade in your mind when, what did you, what

9:21

do you think?

9:22

So I, as a

9:25

developer, I suppose

9:27

as a developer, no, there was less developers.

9:30

And I, I say not an upgrade

9:32

and I don't mean that to be insulting.

9:35

It's just that it's kind of the same where

9:37

there is, there's basically just the consumer

9:40

keynote and developer keynote. And that was it. And then the

9:42

rest of the content is online. So, you

9:44

know, if you like that, then that was more

9:46

of the same this year. There was not at least

9:49

as far as I could see, uh, any additional like

9:51

fun and festivals for us. I know it was different for press.

9:54

Um,

9:55

but yeah, I mean, I kind

9:58

of the same. So you can take that as you want. of

10:00

a press event then really. It

10:03

is. And that's kind of a shame

10:05

when it's a developer conference

10:07

or maybe what it is, is Google

10:09

IO the event is the press

10:12

event. Google IO the developer

10:14

conference is the 200 videos

10:16

that are released online, which we

10:19

had a conversation, Rana, I believe

10:21

you were there with this conversation. We were talking with

10:23

a Googler who helps coordinate

10:25

all this stuff. And he basically said, like,

10:28

look, you know, prior to the pandemic, we had no

10:30

reason to share all of our videos

10:32

because it was all about the event, bringing

10:35

people here. And if you were here, you got something special.

10:38

Now since the pandemic, they've

10:40

seen more engagement on the actual

10:42

developer con content online

10:45

than they feel like they ever saw with

10:47

the event itself. And so I kind of got

10:49

the impression that they were saying that

10:52

he was saying, you know, he didn't say

10:54

it outright, but I really got the impression that this

10:56

is kind of the way it's going to be. It's

10:58

going to be a single day probably and all

11:00

this stuff online. Yeah.

11:03

I think, and I think that it's kind of gives

11:05

them the best of both worlds because they get the gathering

11:07

event for people who want to go, but then people

11:09

who either they're there, they can't afford to

11:12

or employers don't want to send them or whatever it is,

11:14

can watch at home and get, and be in

11:16

and get it all. I mean, I, to me,

11:18

it seems like they found their footing and they found

11:20

the, what possibly works best for the

11:22

community. I don't know, Mike, what do you

11:24

think? What do you think?

11:26

So I do have a lot of thoughts about this, of course. First

11:29

thing I do think this is the way of the

11:32

future for big conferences. WWDC

11:34

this year is similar. It's

11:36

the same sort of thing where they're just having one day.

11:39

It's mostly online. I do think this is

11:41

the way this is the first Google

11:43

IO I have not been to live. And

11:47

it was actually the first one since last

11:49

year attending. And it was kind of not that,

11:52

you know, wonderful an event that I kind of just

11:54

okay with it. And

11:57

I'm okay with it in particular. Well, I'm okay with

11:59

it because a lot of the. And then online, the other thing I wanted

12:01

to mention is Google is trying

12:03

for the first time this year, a follow

12:05

on event called IO

12:08

Connect. And

12:10

they do these things a lot. But

12:12

this is kind of like the festival portion, perhaps

12:15

of Google IO. It's in a few weeks in

12:17

Miami, which is kind of not a great decision.

12:21

But it's going to be like the booths

12:23

and stuff that you would have set up at Google

12:25

IO, where you can ask DevRel questions

12:29

and the code labs and some things like that.

12:32

So they're

12:33

having that, but it's just

12:35

at a different event. Yeah. Yeah.

12:38

Definitely a different event all around. Interesting.

12:41

Okay. Well, I

12:44

missed seeing you at Google IO,

12:46

Mike.

12:47

Likewise. I will

12:49

say, and I won't name names, but I did

12:51

talk to some folks who

12:53

work at Google IO who lament the

12:55

lack of kind of in-person interaction

12:58

with developers. And that's always been a strong point of

13:00

the Android community that we have some access to the

13:02

Googlers. Yeah. And it goes both ways,

13:05

right? So we get access to the Google engineers

13:07

to ask them questions about either specific

13:09

or broad things. But the

13:11

people who work on the team also love hearing

13:13

from us as well. And not to say that that

13:16

can't happen now, like for sure

13:18

at the Connect events at well.

13:20

Mike, is the Connect event GDEs

13:23

only or is it like general? I'm sorry. It's

13:26

open to everybody. So I think that's where they

13:28

make it up. But especially with I

13:30

think Google like being a little more

13:33

like about local events, it's like you're not going to

13:35

see all your favorite Googlers or like all

13:37

of your favorite Googlers rather are not going to have as

13:39

much interaction with you. So I

13:42

think that is, we'll see how

13:44

it goes with a Connect and maybe like how both

13:46

us as developers, they're probably developers in the Google

13:49

folks feel about it. But it was

13:51

kind of a big, big deal to kind of have

13:53

this big event where all the Googlers

13:56

and as many devs as could make it could

13:58

all have access to each other. and

14:01

create that collaboration. So that's

14:03

gonna be the part that they need to work hard to make up for,

14:05

I think. And I mean, maybe Connect will be that,

14:07

but we'll see.

14:08

Keep

14:09

my hopes up. It won't be that. And

14:11

I think honestly, we won't have Google

14:14

I.O. like we had in the past, unfortunately.

14:16

Yeah, because I mean, how many developers are gonna

14:18

go out to fly out to the Bay

14:20

Area and stay at a hotel

14:23

and everything for a

14:25

single day that is taken up two thirds by

14:28

keynotes. Like, you know

14:30

what I mean? It's just fundamentally,

14:33

it's a very different event than it was

14:35

before. And the thing is, while we're on the top,

14:37

the keynote was very long. I

14:39

mean, that was a more than two hour keynote, right? And

14:44

then Jason, I feel like over the years, we've seen everything

14:46

from the tight hour,

14:48

hour and a half to like a crazy multi-hour

14:51

skydiving, kind of extravaganza,

14:53

right? Yeah. And I do think

14:56

it would be remiss without, and

14:58

we're gonna get into it in the details as we start breaking stuff down.

15:00

But like the going joke that

15:03

everyone made after the keynote for the rest of

15:05

the day, myself included was AI much,

15:08

right? Because after two hours of having

15:10

those two letters hammered into

15:12

your brain, like it did get taxing and

15:16

exhausting at some point where just like, it

15:18

was just very, it was very repetitive.

15:22

And I'll give my friend credit who was

15:24

texting me during the event and

15:26

he was describing what they were doing

15:29

as basically like, he said,

15:32

it feels a lot like a restaurant and they keep serving me vegetable

15:34

dishes instead of what I ordered. Right?

15:37

Right? So

15:41

then it's Google not reading the room, because I feel

15:43

like everybody's talking about AI, but Google,

15:45

I mean, and so just to

15:47

kind of give you

15:48

an idea of where this show is headed,

15:50

the entire first block here is filled

15:53

with AI news. I figured, well, just get the AI

15:55

done. And then the rest of the episode, we have

15:57

non AI stuff. And before.

15:59

Before we get into the AI stuff, I mean, I think that

16:02

the official kind of stuff,

16:04

the theme of the entire

16:07

event was AI. And

16:09

my takeaway from it was Google's

16:12

gotten beat up over the last

16:14

six months, maybe eight months

16:17

with chat GPT and open

16:19

AI kind of leading the pack of like

16:21

what AI can do and mid journey and all these

16:23

other, you know, all these other generative AI kind

16:26

of startups that are in the place and Google

16:28

needed to reassert themselves and say, no, actually

16:31

we're a leader in the space. They, you know,

16:33

Sundar opened it up by saying, you know, over seven

16:35

years of research into AI and development

16:38

and stuff like that. Like they kept on driving

16:40

home the fact that they've been working on this. They've been working

16:42

on this and it was almost, you know,

16:44

like Shakespearean and like the lady Doth

16:47

protests too much. But

16:50

it was, it was, it was definitely,

16:52

um, they said it a lot. They

16:55

said it a lot. Well, we were joking while we were there.

16:57

If we could take a transcript

16:58

of the keynote and run it through

17:00

Bard

17:01

and tell Bard, tell me

17:03

how many times the word that the

17:05

acronym AI was spoken during this keynote.

17:08

We figured it would probably be at least a thousand, if

17:10

not more. So let's

17:12

get into these things. And we already spent 10

17:15

minutes talking about the event itself, which I think is

17:17

really important because it is, like we

17:19

said, fundamentally different this year

17:21

and I think going forward. So let's focus

17:23

a little bit of time on AI. We don't have to go

17:25

into incredible detail on these

17:28

things, but I think you'll start to see the picture

17:30

that the theme wasn't just AI. It

17:32

was how Google is bringing AI

17:34

into the products and services that they already have.

17:36

So you don't have to go to a destination to find AI. AI

17:39

is where you already are. We kind of saw that a

17:41

little bit with assistant. We'll talk about that in a moment,

17:44

but this is in other ways. And one of the major

17:46

ways, um, is that

17:48

Google announced that it's bringing its generative

17:51

AI, uh, to search.

17:54

And

17:54

that in and of itself is a really big deal

17:56

because search, I mean, search has changed

17:58

a lot.

17:59

a lot over the years, but it's still really

18:02

fundamentally been the same thing. The 10

18:04

blue links ads,

18:07

you know, in ads throughout that experience

18:09

has changed a little bit, but how things

18:12

are structured, haven't changed a heck

18:15

of a lot, I would say, or either that, or

18:17

we've gotten used to it

18:18

over time. Well, this is a really big difference.

18:21

The key here though, is that you

18:23

have to opt into it. Once it's available, you'll

18:25

have to opt into it. There is a,

18:27

a wait list that you can get on

18:30

to get access to this, but you opt into

18:32

it via search labs. And

18:34

basically it's a, you know, it's a chat bot

18:36

integrated into search. It's basically

18:38

Google's answer to being

18:40

getting its own generative AI infusion

18:42

a few months back. So this would be,

18:44

and it's not barred. So it is, these

18:47

are different things. They're different efforts. But

18:51

the chat bot answers questions, you

18:53

know, that you ask it in real

18:55

language

18:57

style and kind of integrates

19:00

it above the

19:01

fold. So above where the blue links

19:04

are. So it really

19:05

entirely shifts how Google search

19:07

product operates

19:10

if you opt into it. And I can't help but

19:12

think that, okay, right now it's opt in, but

19:14

if this is the way,

19:16

this keeps being spoken on the show, it's obviously

19:18

a title. If this is the way, then will

19:22

there be a time somewhere down the line where this

19:24

is just kind of part of a part

19:27

of search is that it's no longer

19:29

this test thing that you have to opt

19:31

into. It's part of how, you know,

19:34

the fabric of how we search is

19:36

going forward. And I could totally see that.

19:39

What do you all think? Do you think this is, do

19:41

you think this is the way? So

19:43

we talked about this a little bit in the pre-show and

19:46

the only way

19:46

that this becomes our normal

19:48

pattern is if these

19:51

chat bots return good results. Because

19:53

right now, I mean, when we search Google,

19:56

we expect the correct answer. And

19:58

like

19:59

what we you know, when we were playing around with this before

20:01

the show, we learned that none of these answers are

20:03

correct. Like

20:05

not any of them, it's 90% incorrect. Well,

20:09

a great example of this is that Jason,

20:11

while you were just talking about it, I went to Google Bard

20:14

and I said, how many times did they say AI

20:16

during the Google IO keynote? And

20:18

the first response I

20:20

got was the word AI was mentioned 125 times

20:23

during the Google IO keynote. It was most

20:25

often used in reference of new AI featured in

20:27

products like pixel seven, a lambda and Bard,

20:29

blah, blah, blah. And you know how in Bard,

20:32

you can say view other drafts, right?

20:34

So I click that. And the second

20:37

draft says, according to the YouTube transcript

20:39

of the Google IO 2023 keynote, the word AI

20:41

was said 43 times. That

20:44

is so wrong. So

20:47

what is right? Like, like, and here's the thing is like,

20:49

we're, we're, we're assuming that these,

20:51

you type stuff,

20:53

a prompt in and you get a response back and there's

20:56

a, there's a commitment to the answer

20:58

you're given is truthful,

21:00

right? Like, and this is a whole

21:03

another layer of like science fiction here

21:05

where it's like, what if you're not getting

21:08

correct answers back, you know, like it,

21:10

so it's definitely the thing that you're using

21:12

to, to find facts, which largely

21:14

I'd say people use search

21:17

to find facts about things, things that are

21:19

posted somewhere that are factual. Maybe I'm wrong.

21:21

You know, I guess if you're searching for fiction,

21:24

that would be wrong. But largely

21:26

when I go to a search engine, it's because I have

21:28

this thing that I want to know about.

21:30

I want to know the details that I want it to be factual.

21:33

And if the thing that you're using can't give you factual

21:35

information or rather it gives you fact, it

21:38

gives you information that appears to

21:40

be factual, but you only

21:42

find out that it's not factual by actually

21:44

researching it and spending the time

21:46

to look into it. Then like, is anybody

21:48

going to use it?

21:50

That's a good question. There's,

21:53

there's also the element of like, uh, that like, so just like we've

21:55

had comps, like so many conversations about generative

21:58

AI, especially when it comes to

21:59

and kind of like the aggregation

22:02

and training on other people's art. And then you create something

22:04

from other people's art. And whether that

22:06

is theft

22:08

of art,

22:09

theft of ideas. It

22:13

was really funny. We were watching the keynote. My husband

22:15

was on chat with me. And I think there

22:17

was one thing in the search results where it was like aggregating. I

22:20

think he was planning for a vacation, right? And

22:22

it had aggregated information from three different

22:24

blog posts. And he made a comment like, so

22:26

now that means that your content will just be sucked

22:29

up by Google and spit out. And

22:31

to be fair, they did have annotations there. But

22:34

I do think there is kind of a feeling, oh,

22:36

it's now it's not just something kind of more

22:39

visual and necessarily inherently

22:41

individualistic like art. But imagine

22:43

your content just kind of gets sucked up and

22:46

then kind of rolled into this generated content.

22:49

And it's not as easy to attribute you. I

22:51

mean, it's there, but that's not the first thing a person

22:53

sees. And that feels less good to me. I

22:57

think it kind of goes with, okay, what is it

22:59

pulling together? What is it synthesizing?

23:01

Is it synthesizing fact? Is it synthesizing opinion?

23:04

Is it synthesizing someone's creative work? Whether

23:06

that is a guide to hiking in the Sierras or something or an image.

23:09

So

23:14

that kind of stuff also kind of makes me wonder

23:16

as well. I know that it

23:18

was interesting because they seem to be kind of trying to address some

23:22

of these like attribution slash like how can

23:24

we tell if a thing is real, like it was made by a person or

23:26

made by generation. And that also

23:28

seemed to pop up as a theme of privacy, of

23:32

attribution and of like disclosure

23:35

and that as well. But I don't know, I feel

23:37

like there's a lot of kinks to work out,

23:39

but I

23:40

can't imagine that conversational

23:43

and kind of helping us try to do like the

23:45

nitty gritty stuff and like the kind of like

23:48

low hanging fruit type tasks a day is going to go away.

23:50

But I think there's a lot of work to be done.

23:52

There's no question.

23:54

A lot of work to be done. 100%. Indeed.

24:01

But

24:02

a lot of the work has been done already. And

24:05

what, at least during the keynote,

24:08

Sundar Pichai kind of, you know,

24:10

he set it all up and he positioned, you know,

24:12

the kind of AI conversation and it was

24:15

all kind of framed around introducing

24:18

Palm II

24:19

or Palam, as I like to say, because

24:21

capital P, lowercase A, capital

24:23

L. Palam, Palam,

24:26

Palam, Palam II. Palam

24:28

II, basically this is Google's new language

24:31

model and it's smaller.

24:33

So the second version of Palm, that was the first one,

24:35

smaller in size than the previous version but more efficient

24:38

and with multilingual understanding, which is powerful.

24:41

And it's different model scale for different devices,

24:43

you know, so whether you're using a

24:45

smartphone or a browser or whatnot. And

24:48

really like it's the underlying tech

24:50

that all this stuff is kind of built on. And

24:53

you know, actually if you

24:53

dig into the Google blog, there's

24:55

actually a link to

24:58

the

25:00

scientific paper

25:03

explaining Palm II, the Palm II tech

25:05

report, which is like a

25:08

hundred page document that goes

25:10

through and gives the background and all the methodology

25:13

and all the stuff that came before. It is really, really

25:15

kind of fascinating and way out of my

25:17

realm of understanding. But

25:20

yeah, so it was like, as

25:22

they're telling the story of the keynote, it's

25:24

like, hey, look at the underlying tech underneath all

25:27

this, under the hood, we're developing

25:29

it, we're advancing it, we're adapting it for

25:31

the needs that we have for our various devices or different

25:33

kind of interfaces. And this is what it's all built on.

25:36

You know, they did push that multilingual support.

25:39

You know, they did announce like when they're, I don't know, I don't want

25:41

to steal some thunder later on, but they're talking

25:43

about Bard, how Bard is now going to

25:45

be available in Korean and Japanese. And

25:48

then I think they're planning on rolling out like 80 languages soon.

25:50

So it's going to be multi, you know,

25:52

multi-language, which has got to be even more

25:54

common, you know, training and English. That's a strength.

25:56

That's a strength that Google coverage. I don't know, honestly,

25:59

off the top of my head. chat, GPT

26:01

and the other systems, how they are with multilingual

26:03

support. But I mean, Google's been doing multilingual stuff

26:06

for quite a while when it comes to its training.

26:09

And that was, and that was the second, and that

26:12

was the, and we're going to chase and you're going to talk about later on, this

26:14

is a little bit of tease, but like for

26:16

me, the theme of the keynote was AI, right?

26:18

And what Google's doing in AI, but then

26:20

what, what really kind of pushed it across the

26:22

finish line for me is like, yeah, chat, GPT and open AI

26:25

are doing great stuff and they're building, you

26:27

know, API is underlying tech for other people to go build

26:29

stuff, but Google's got a whole bunch of stuff

26:31

that they can implement indirectly and get

26:33

this stuff to, you know, in

26:36

front of users much faster than anyone else. And

26:38

that's their strategic advantage, you know, so the multilingual

26:40

support and just like the applications that

26:42

are ready to use us. We're going to talk about that in a little bit.

26:45

But like that's really, I think going to be the game changer, whether

26:48

or not

26:49

Palm two is better than open

26:51

AI is model or not. It's

26:53

open to debate, but you can't argue what

26:56

the power that Google has in front

26:58

of the AI now. Yeah.

26:59

Yeah. certain

27:03

languages that are not, you know,

27:06

like, you know, romance

27:08

languages, Western languages like Korean and Japanese

27:11

already are hard enough to translate without

27:14

sounding a little bit like robotic and unnatural

27:16

and not idiomatic. But I

27:19

know they talked last year about improving the models for

27:21

that, where they're not doing like a direct translation model. So

27:23

they compare that, you know, like language model with,

27:26

you know, Bard and with like the accessibility and

27:28

locality of like, Hey, we're putting

27:30

Bard in our stuff and we have all these features

27:32

in our stuff. Like maybe that, that could be the secret

27:34

sauce that can help them kind of

27:36

not feel like they're chasing chat

27:39

GPT and Bing and all those other things. And

27:41

which is like the strength that we've heard about all

27:43

these different years at IO 23, just kind of synthesize,

27:45

bring it all together, mix it all up. I

27:48

keep saying that word. That was been my

27:50

last, that's like the new

27:51

drinking game. Shake

27:55

up a drink or something. I don't know. Yeah. Well,

27:58

speaking of Palm two.

28:00

actually win this leads really

28:02

well into yours because

28:04

this was something that you brought up that definitely

28:07

wasn't on my radar because I'm not a developer but

28:09

this is actually very cool and and I think

28:11

based on the Palm II technology.

28:14

Yeah,

28:15

yeah so there is a descendant of Palm

28:17

II, Cody,

28:18

code E, code Y, Cody,

28:20

that is now powering an

28:24

AI conversation based helper

28:26

inside of Android Studio. So during developer

28:29

keynote which have an app as a consumer keynote, this

28:31

actually took me by surprise but yeah,

28:34

Jay Eason came out and announced that there's a studio

28:37

bot and I think there was about 30 seconds

28:39

of a little bit of skepticism like oh no why

28:41

do I have a chat bot in my integrated

28:44

development environment but and

28:46

I think this goes into kind of what

28:49

we're talking about earlier it's actually really cool

28:51

y'all so basically you talk

28:54

to studio bot you ask it natural language

28:56

questions and it can return

28:59

to you all kinds of things it can return to you information

29:01

from documentation it can return

29:03

to you information about material guidelines and

29:06

it can return to you templates like code templates

29:08

it can help you refactor things from say Java

29:11

to Kotlin it can even tell you about

29:13

when you have a crash or an error it can tell you what

29:15

that error is what it means and

29:17

for kind of low hanging fruit things

29:20

that are just like little oh you forgot to turn on

29:22

the internet permissions

29:23

it can do some of those fixes for you

29:26

and I

29:27

actually really love this and the thing

29:29

here which makes me super excited about this where

29:31

I'm a little bit you know kind of like Debbie downer

29:33

on other things is that all of these

29:35

things like refactoring templates even

29:37

documentation and even like things like static static

29:40

analysis where we have someone telling us

29:42

hey you shouldn't do that in your code exists

29:44

already it's just that now we have a

29:46

conversational interface for it so you can

29:48

just ask rather than you googling

29:50

and figuring out what to Google and

29:53

again studio studios in beta so it's not quite

29:55

as like fluent as a bar to something but

29:58

imagine like not having to Google or

30:00

open up like 10 or 15,000 different websites,

30:02

you just ask the studio. And

30:05

it is pulling on all of these information sources

30:07

that we already have. It's factual or,

30:10

I mean, not quite a factual, but kind of, these are all

30:12

kind of resources that we use today. It's just in one place. So,

30:14

um, yeah, based on Palm II and

30:16

Cody. And I mean, I thought

30:18

that we were done with AI and chatbots.

30:21

But no, it's only

30:23

just begun. No, no, no, developers,

30:27

you get a chatbot and you get a chatbot

30:29

and you get a chat. I'm curious

30:31

to know, uh,

30:32

Mike, I want to throw this over to

30:35

you. Uh, I mean, you know,

30:37

obviously when I'm curious to know what you think too,

30:39

but Mike, as, as one

30:41

of the developers on this panel is

30:43

an AI informed chatbot.

30:46

Like, is that an answer to

30:48

something that you actually want? Or

30:51

is that, are you getting clippy vibes?

30:54

Like I'm curious to know where you stand

30:56

on this. So I kind of am and you kind of, it's

30:58

a good segue because that's kind of what I was going to mention. Um,

31:01

I will start this by mentioning

31:03

that I currently use GitHub Co-Pilot,

31:06

which is AI assisted development.

31:09

It's different though, in that it

31:11

basically provides like advanced, um,

31:13

IntelliSense like code completion.

31:16

Um, and it's really magic for a lot of things.

31:19

Like when we're just mentioning like the template

31:21

stuff that is just like boiler plate, um,

31:24

code comments, it kind of like writes

31:26

out my comments for me. I don't know how it kind of knows,

31:28

but

31:29

those things are magic. Awesome.

31:31

Yeah. Um, I don't

31:34

like having a chat interface to that

31:36

is of

31:37

value, but it's kind of different.

31:40

So I kind of have to get used to it. There

31:42

are times when Co-Pilot doesn't tell me what I need

31:45

and I still have to go search for it and maybe

31:47

this would be that solution. Like Co-Pilot's

31:49

not giving me what I want. I asked studio

31:51

about, Hey, but how do I, um,

31:54

make this text bold? You know, um,

31:58

and I welcome.

31:59

all the assistance I can get.

32:02

I welcome my AI robot overlords,

32:06

and if they make my job easier,

32:08

bring it.

32:09

Well, and that's what, and we talked

32:11

about that in the interview with Dave and Samir, and

32:14

the context of this is that like, there's so much

32:16

stern and drang over AI and

32:19

how AI is taking over, and I've

32:21

dealt with it in my day job, you know,

32:23

like where I'm trying to be

32:25

innovative and trying to cultivate my team to

32:27

be aware of technology and how can we use it as tools,

32:30

and like a lot of folks' first reaction, and not, and

32:32

I wouldn't say Luddite, but it's very like, I don't

32:34

wanna lose my job, do a robot, and robots can't

32:36

do my job, you know, but like the great

32:39

example or the great kind of, you know, the

32:42

point that Mike makes in terms of saving time, and

32:44

we talked about it on the revelation I had, which,

32:47

you know, like 150 years ago, it took a week

32:49

to do the laundry, and then they invented the

32:51

washing machine, and now it takes two hours,

32:53

right? And so what do you do with that time back? And

32:56

from a developer standpoint, when

32:58

Mike, how much time will you get back with these

33:00

tools?

33:02

Yeah, I mean, it's not too, I mean,

33:04

it's a bit of, it's not quite the same

33:06

evolutionary step, but if you imagine like how many years

33:08

ago, we had punch cards, right? And so you spent most of your time

33:10

punching out the dang punch cards. And

33:13

part of, I mean, this is all for like

33:15

modern tooling, even things like Kotlin and things

33:17

like that. It takes away the drudgery

33:20

so that you can focus on high-level things, and that's,

33:22

time is kind of one of those resources that developers

33:25

never have enough of.

33:25

And so

33:28

anything that saves me time helps. And I think

33:30

what is interesting about the chat is that, like

33:32

Google has

33:34

touted some of these, the part I think

33:36

that's interesting about conversational is that the conversational

33:38

bot keeps context. So it's like that shopping

33:41

thing that they always mention where you're saying, hey,

33:44

show me some pants, right? And

33:46

then out of the results, you can say, okay,

33:49

show me this one, but an orange. It keeps the

33:51

context of what you're talking about. So it

33:53

saves you from having to figure out, okay,

33:55

how do I filter these results and not

33:58

lose them? You know what I'm saying? Like it's building.

33:59

on the previous thing that

34:02

you asked just like any other conversation that you have with

34:04

a human being. I think that's what's interesting about Studio

34:06

Bot versus, as Mike mentioned, Copa

34:09

and stuff like that too, is that maybe by

34:11

using a bot that can keep that context,

34:13

you can say something like, hey, what is this error

34:16

and how do I fix it rather than having

34:18

to

34:19

copy paste a stack trace, go out, search

34:21

for Google, you get back some answers and

34:23

then you have to kind of individually copy paste

34:26

the kind of things. There's a lot more

34:28

of a manual process there and it's just

34:30

like, as you said, washing the clothes rather than me taking

34:34

the clothes out the basket

34:37

and smacking them on the rock. I

34:39

don't know what that might be analogous

34:41

to in coding, but the

34:44

spin cycle does that for me. And so similarly,

34:46

these things like copy paste, put

34:48

it in Stack Overflow, look over here, that

34:50

gets taken care of for me so I can actually worry about architecture

34:53

and UI and all that kind of jazz. So I'm

34:55

not talking now. I do think that's the power of it.

34:58

Interesting. We have, I'm

35:01

looking at a rundown. I'm like, oh, we have so much

35:03

more to talk about with AI.

35:05

I think I'm going to do an on the

35:07

fly, make an on the fly

35:10

decision and kind of change things around. So

35:12

that might be a little bit inside

35:14

baseball. Ron, why don't you throw

35:17

to the ad and I'm going to do some restructuring

35:20

because we have a lot more AI to talk about. And

35:23

we do have to go to an ad and we're

35:25

going to get to all the really important stuff. So Ron,

35:28

take it away. And yes, we

35:31

will take a break in all about AI to

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37:45

I, through the magic of on-the-fly

37:48

producing, have reordered the doc. So

37:51

we're

37:51

going in, the

37:53

show's not gonna be any longer. It's just, we have more stuff

37:55

to talk about with AI. I thought we could do it all

37:57

in one block, but it was clearly

37:59

it was.

37:59

is too much. So let's keep this show

38:02

rolling here and continue with

38:04

the AI discussion because I think this is all

38:06

of these topics are actually really important. I didn't want

38:08

to do it short, you know, give a short service. So

38:11

first of all, you alluded Ron to

38:13

the ways in which Google is taking

38:16

these many different AI efforts

38:18

and integrating them into services. And when I

38:21

have a couple of examples

38:23

of this and there's some really interesting discussion

38:25

that we can get into around this, but just real

38:27

quick to set the scene, Gmail

38:29

getting generative AI features

38:32

called help me write. This

38:35

will be a feature integrated into

38:37

Gmail. I think you have to opt into it

38:39

that you could say like,

38:41

I need to write it in email to this person

38:44

that says, I'm not going to make it on time. You

38:47

know, I got caught up in traffic, but I want to reschedule

38:49

for next week. I checked my calendar

38:51

for three open time slots or whatever.

38:54

And then you generate it, generate it, help

38:56

me write it. And boom, instead of me having

38:58

to write this entire email, it sends

39:00

that person all the information you

39:02

can expand it, contract it, that sort of stuff.

39:05

Really weird messages, magic

39:07

compose, which we alluded to last week on

39:09

the episode where you can rewrite

39:11

text messages. So you put in a short text

39:13

message and you tell it the style that

39:15

you want it to rewrite in and it creates a

39:19

new text message for what you've already put there.

39:21

Maps, getting an immersive mode

39:24

that flies through, this looked really cool, that

39:26

flies through

39:28

the route that you're navigating to give

39:30

you kind of a virtual tour of what that route

39:32

is going to look like. It's

39:35

almost like you get to experience your

39:37

routes

39:38

in, you know,

39:41

they use AI and computer

39:43

vision to kind of merge together this

39:45

experience. So you can see what

39:47

that route is going to look like. Photos,

39:50

getting a new magic editor, which is kind

39:52

of similar to some of the AI editing

39:54

features that we've seen in Google Photos

39:57

and on Google Camera before, but

39:59

this is almost

39:59

like that taken to the next level. It's like

40:02

the example they have is this kid sitting on a

40:04

bench and it's like, we want the bench to be more

40:06

centered in the photo. We want the clouds

40:09

to be bluer. We want to remove,

40:11

you know, this, that, the other thing. I mean, it's just like

40:13

all these edits being made to the

40:15

image that normally, you know, again,

40:18

it's an example of how AI is doing things

40:20

that normally we would have needed to be skilled in the

40:24

in the feature set of an app

40:26

like Photoshop in order to do all this stuff.

40:28

And it would take a while to make

40:29

it all happen. And now it's like

40:32

you click it and you tell it what you

40:34

want it to do. And it does the thing. So

40:37

I think the question there that could be interesting

40:40

perspective that I've been talking a little bit

40:42

with Micah Sargent here at Twit. He brought

40:44

this up and ever since then I've been thinking about it

40:47

is the the authenticity

40:50

or lack thereof when we

40:52

have AI systems writing

40:55

all of our communications for us. He

40:57

mentioned to me that using an AI

40:59

to write a text message, he's

41:02

like, I hate it. I was like, you

41:04

know, I want to know when I'm talking that when I'm when

41:06

I'm having a coming,

41:08

having contact with someone, communicating with

41:10

someone that we're actually communicating

41:12

and it isn't a robot or a computer

41:15

that's kind of standing in for me.

41:18

And I don't know, there's some there's something

41:20

there. Does that

41:22

does that impact you guys at all? Like,

41:25

how do you feel about that? I mean,

41:27

personally, I think that texting

41:30

is such a like I'm going to spend more time

41:32

telling the AI what to say in response.

41:34

So I can just text to myself. Exactly.

41:37

That's my thought.

41:38

Yeah. What do you think, when? I

41:41

do think there is

41:43

that there might be some room

41:45

for this, but this is kind of like by case basis

41:48

or your mileage might vary. It was

41:50

really funny because not in

41:52

text. So maybe this invalidates the

41:54

argument. But I know I think sometimes we do talk

41:56

to different people, like maybe

41:58

whether it's introducing our ourselves to a

42:01

new person that we want to engage in with business

42:03

or something. I don't know, sometimes I

42:06

know my husband and I often have arguments about, okay,

42:08

I want to, I don't know, engage

42:10

this landscaper. And some people do

42:12

actually still do a lot of work and

42:15

contracting through tax, through word

42:17

of mouth, through recommendations. So I don't know.

42:19

I feel like I'm just very focused on, well,

42:22

sometimes people are just not sure how to approach people or

42:24

not sure how to sound like, like

42:27

not weird when you just text

42:29

someone out the blue. So I could see there's

42:32

probably places where this might just help someone

42:34

kind of like write that first into your text or be able

42:36

to kind of analyze things. I don't know. I

42:39

think

42:39

it almost feels like a prerunner to

42:42

something else, like an experiment to let people,

42:44

hey, here's some, here's magic compose,

42:46

play around with it and see if

42:49

it can be of use to you or even

42:51

get like, you know, human use feedback

42:53

on whether you ask it

42:56

to jush up your text and it accidentally insults

42:59

the person that you're talking to. I don't

43:01

know. Like, I just feel like it's like

43:03

a starter, you know, it's like a little test bed that they're

43:05

sticking their toe into the water

43:06

to kind of more broadly do that. And

43:08

this isn't the starter because that was

43:10

one thing that I mentioned to, I mean, isn't

43:13

necessarily the starter I

43:15

mentioned to Micah. Like I already

43:18

on my text messages that come in, you

43:20

know, it gives me those

43:22

little one word answers. Yes, not

43:25

really. Blah, blah, blah, you know, and I

43:27

do use those. So is that

43:29

me using an inauthentic communication

43:32

because the computer presented that or is that just

43:34

me going quicker to the

43:36

thing I was already going to say, Mike, how

43:38

do these features land for you? Okay,

43:42

so this is a great all about

43:44

Android moment because I want to call out

43:46

Ron for

43:47

the example he gave us before the meeting

43:50

about he wrote a love letter to

43:52

his wife using chat

43:55

GBT. So I just did

43:57

it actually myself. I did it in Bard

43:59

just to know. I did it in Bard as well, actually,

44:02

just to be perfectly clear and on the record.

44:04

So I actually just did it while I'm kind of sitting

44:06

here. And it is remarkably

44:08

good and feels very authentic,

44:11

talking about, you know, how she makes me a better man.

44:14

You know, it's very generic,

44:16

but,

44:17

you know, I think I'm gonna get, you know, some

44:20

good, you know, kisses tonight

44:22

after she reads this. I did it. Yeah,

44:24

I did it. So it's part of the announcement, they

44:26

said they were going to embed the little

44:28

like the little magic wand or the sparkly icon

44:31

or whatever in Gmail. I signed

44:33

up for it. It got enabled to my Gmail account. And

44:35

so the first time I opened up the prompt and I said, you know,

44:38

help me write an email to my wife about how much

44:40

I love her or something like that, whatever I said. And

44:43

it wrote a very, like to Mike's

44:45

point, a very believable kind

44:47

of thing, you

44:47

know, and I sent it to her and she came in and she was like, oh

44:50

my God, that was so nice. And I was

44:52

grinning and she was like, you didn't write it, did you? It was like,

44:54

no,

44:54

Bard did it. But and

44:57

like the examples they gave in the demo, like

44:59

Dave, Dave Burke of Google, who we talked to

45:01

in the interview that you can listen to at the end of the show, did

45:04

the live, you know, did the live demo of it. And it was

45:06

like, you know, I want to send an email to someone congratulating

45:08

him doing a good job. And like, it's

45:10

this idea of like,

45:12

short attention span approach. Like I want

45:14

to, I want to email Jason and thank him for doing all

45:17

about Android and being so awesome. And it will write

45:19

this whole thing and insert it. It's almost like greeting

45:21

cardification of our emails. That's exactly where

45:23

my mind was at.

45:24

Exactly. You pulled

45:27

the words out of my brain, Ron, because as

45:29

I was hearing this, I started

45:32

to kind of really clued into the fact that

45:34

like we already kind of do this. We

45:36

already put our control

45:40

over what we say about how

45:42

we feel about someone just using this as

45:44

an example in the hands of someone else.

45:47

We go into a store, we pull a card

45:49

off the shelf and we read it and we go, Oh,

45:52

those words match what I want to say.

45:54

So

45:54

I'm going to buy this and I'm going to take

45:56

these words and offer them as if they

45:59

are mine. And I'll see you next time. Bye. I mean, obviously they're

46:01

not. It's a greeting card, you know? Are

46:03

we losing the skill or the training to

46:08

write those words yourself sincerely?

46:10

Like because there was a time, there

46:13

was a time in our civilization in 1835 when

46:17

someone growing up said, I wanna be a poet.

46:21

I wanna be a writer. I wanna learn how to do

46:23

all this sort of stuff. And like, when was the last time you met somebody?

46:25

Well, actually I know somebody who's a poet, but still. But

46:29

I was just saying like, going

46:31

back, and I know this is counter to what we were just saying

46:34

about programming, about the chatbot in Dev

46:36

Studio and how that making easier, does

46:38

it make my life any more efficient to

46:40

have a AI bot

46:43

write a love email to my wife? I don't

46:45

know. Like I'm looking for ways to

46:47

introduce this into my life

46:51

and make it realistic.

46:53

I will say another example of how I used Bard recently

46:55

was I was at, it wasn't in email,

46:58

but it was just like, and the idea of them integrating it into email,

47:01

into workspace, into docs, into

47:03

spreadsheets and stuff like that, I think it

47:05

was really compelling because like I was on a work call

47:07

the other day and we were brainstorming

47:09

to come up with a new product

47:11

kind of naming type thing. And I was in Bard and

47:13

I was just like, give me suggestions for a product

47:16

and with these attributes or whatever. And it gave me a list

47:18

and none of them were viable.

47:20

But of like the 10 things that suggested,

47:23

at least three triggered sparks

47:25

amongst the people I was talking to that led to

47:27

possibly viable options. There you go.

47:30

Yeah.

47:30

So I don't

47:31

know. Launchpad for something else.

47:34

I don't know. So we're all people that talk

47:36

on podcasts. So there's a level of

47:38

comfort with discourse, with words.

47:41

And I know maybe this is just me

47:43

kind of trying to optimistically

47:46

apply this, but I can't imagine like

47:48

so many times in my life where I was less

47:50

confident enough and had some social

47:52

anxiety where, you know, like maybe if

47:54

I wanted to like, let someone know something,

47:57

whether that was something serious or important or

47:59

something where I just. I just couldn't find the words or

48:01

was worried that it sounded aggressive

48:04

or not, whether it sounded sensitive

48:07

or not to

48:08

whatever the situation was. And

48:11

I'm a person who very often when I send someone

48:13

something, even if it's innocuous, I'd be like, go to my husband,

48:15

go to my sister. Hey, does this sound

48:18

mean or whatever?

48:21

And to some of the points that you all said,

48:23

at some point you realize

48:26

that there's a level

48:27

of facsimile

48:29

and artificiality. So

48:34

I can't help but think that if someone

48:36

really cares about crafting their own words that

48:39

they hopefully would still do it. But I don't know, maybe that's

48:41

just me being optimistic. But I do think

48:43

there is probably a place for this. It's

48:45

just not maybe what

48:47

we expect or maybe what,

48:50

especially us as people that are

48:52

people creating content who

48:54

show up and put our faces and our voices

48:57

on the interwebs and that who write for a

48:59

living might,

49:00

maybe like we're not

49:02

the audience for this per se.

49:04

I don't know. Yeah. I mean,

49:06

when I think about it, like that feature, I'm super torn because

49:09

as they were showing it off, the Gmail is the one

49:11

that I'm primarily thinking about, the write

49:13

for me Gmail feature. I

49:16

was like, yeah, you know, there are emails that I

49:18

write that are very, you

49:20

know, very much the same between

49:23

every person that I send it to. I don't copy

49:26

top to bottom, but I write basically the same

49:28

things with slightly different words, you know, invites

49:30

for shows and everything. Like there's only so many ways

49:33

you can invite, you know, 20 people

49:35

a week on to our shows and

49:38

have it be differentiated and why differentiate

49:41

when the facts need to be there and all

49:43

these kinds of things. But at the

49:45

same time, like I don't, I don't feel

49:48

right

49:49

handing the keys over to an AI

49:51

to write all of my communication for me. But

49:53

I bet you there's somebody out there that's

49:55

willing to go that far and willing to say, you know

49:58

what, I'm not writing another email.

49:59

ever. I'm just going to tell, help me

50:02

write

50:03

what email I want to write and

50:05

do some light editing every single time.

50:07

I guarantee you that people are going to use that.

50:10

Honestly, it's not that like, like it reminds

50:12

me of when I would ask a professor to write a recommendation

50:15

letter for me or a teacher and they say, write it for

50:17

me and give it to me and I'll, I'll edit it. And then

50:19

send it like, I do it at work all the time. I tell

50:21

people I'm going to write this up, send it to me, I'll make the edits and

50:23

then send it and put it, you know, kind of like, I don't

50:26

know. It's like, I'm, I'm vacillating between it because

50:28

I can see that like Jason, you're right. Like there's a lot of

50:30

redundant emails that I write often

50:32

that had to do with the same thing. And I can, and it's easier to

50:35

do the heavy lifting of the work and

50:37

then just edit it to make it sound in my voice than

50:39

do it

50:40

all from scratch, you know? So I don't know. I think,

50:42

I think there is value to it, but I don't think it's replacing

50:45

the thought I put into what I

50:47

do. That was something that the big reaction

50:49

that I saw online during the keynote,

50:51

you know, they were doing live coverage

50:53

here, Leo and Jeff Jarvis. And so I was logged

50:56

into the discord and kind of live, live blogging

50:58

my own thoughts and everything. There were a lot of people

51:00

really commenting on kind of the blandness

51:03

and the saminess of the AI

51:05

responses and how it's, oh, really

51:07

it couldn't get more creative. And I was, and when I was thinking about

51:10

it, I was like, yeah, but how much of our communication

51:12

that we do on a regular daily basis is

51:14

very bland and is very, you

51:16

know what I mean? Like there's so, there's so

51:18

much of our communication. We like to think that we're really creative

51:21

and everything like that, but so much of business

51:23

is derived around these very set

51:25

in, you know, in stone processes

51:28

and things. It's just a reflection of

51:31

how we write. So if it's,

51:33

thank you for

51:33

your time. Best wishes. Yeah.

51:35

So anyways, so it's interesting.

51:40

I think this is, you know, when we're talking about AI and

51:43

ethics and, and, uh, best

51:45

practices, you know, these are things that I

51:47

think businesses are going to have to start making decisions

51:49

around. Do we allow our employees

51:52

to allow, you know, to use these

51:55

AI tools to write emails or do we say,

51:57

Hey, no, that's not okay because of secrets

51:59

or because

51:59

Uh, it doesn't impart a human and a

52:02

human quality to the conversation. And we're

52:04

a business. We want people to feel like we're connecting

52:06

with them and these systems remove the

52:08

human, you know, these things are going to have to be discussed

52:11

and figured out on a company-wide basis. I

52:13

think, uh, I think that's in our future.

52:15

Anyways, we could talk about this forever. Uh,

52:18

we have a few more things before we get to the next

52:20

break. So when, uh, I

52:22

guess this kind of falls into similar territory.

52:28

Oh, sorry, are we talking about Android 14? Now we're talking

52:31

about the other thing. No, we're talking about the, the wallpapers

52:33

we're in. Okay. Yeah. Sorry. I

52:36

know I shifted things around.

52:37

Yeah. So, you

52:40

know, none that we don't have enough generative content

52:42

and things to discuss already, but

52:45

Google is kind of aiming its generative

52:47

AI at your wallpaper. And

52:49

so there's a couple of like interesting elements to this, right?

52:52

So there is the ability to create

52:54

like a wallpaper from, you know, whatever emojis

52:56

that you would like, but in more Googly

52:58

flavor, there's also the ability to kind of leverage

53:01

AI to create cinematic

53:03

wallpapers, um, that kind of like,

53:05

you know, like, Ooh.

53:06

Ah. Um,

53:09

and so yeah, it's, it's kind of, and as well as,

53:11

let's see, what else, what else do we have? Oh yeah. And as well as

53:13

kind of more, if you think about more like

53:15

mid journey, simple diffusion, you can prompt

53:18

Google to create you, you know, this, whatever,

53:20

whatever your mind can, can,

53:23

whatever your mind can prompt, uh, it will

53:25

also simulate you with generative art, uh,

53:27

wallpaper. So emoji wallpapers, cinematic

53:30

wallpapers from your photos, where it kind of analyzes it

53:32

and gives it, gives a static image motion and

53:34

generative AI wallpaper for if

53:37

you want to have a wallpaper of yourself,

53:40

uh, as a D and D character.

53:42

There you go. Um, that's kind

53:45

of neat, I guess. I mean, but again,

53:47

it's like, it's wallpaper. It's

53:49

wallpaper.

53:49

So I think that was the one

53:51

thing that I feel like, so,

53:54

uh, like a bunch of us, Android does, we're in a chat and I think

53:56

we got a little bit snarky about this point to

53:58

be fair, like all of these are really cool.

53:59

isolation, but isolation is kind of

54:02

thing. It's wallpaper. Yeah. Um, so

54:04

I think it's like a small example

54:06

of like a big technology. Um,

54:09

but yeah, are they pushing this

54:11

because they want to, uh, push the dynamic

54:14

theming part of material three that's

54:17

driven by your wallpapers.

54:19

It took me. That's a really good point. Like giving,

54:22

giving, giving people more. We

54:25

need to switch your wallpaper. Yeah.

54:28

I mean, at the end of the day, it's, it's material

54:31

use core promise.

54:33

If, if I, you

54:35

know, based on what I feel like I

54:38

know about material, you is making

54:40

your device as customized to you

54:42

as possible within the framework of what

54:45

they've set out and the generated AI

54:47

system really allows

54:49

you to get as unique as you want, because

54:52

literally that image doesn't exist before

54:55

you put in your prompt and it comes back with something

54:57

that's about as unique of a wallpaper as

54:59

you can come up with, uh, Mike, unique,

55:02

you. Yeah. Mike,

55:05

you've been spending a lot of time with G with

55:07

generative AI and prompts and everything

55:09

like that. Like are, are people

55:12

like, how do you think this is going to go? Cause I mean, this

55:14

is largely, this is going to be much

55:16

more consumer facing. There's going to be a lot of people that have

55:18

never used something like a chat GPT

55:21

or a mid journey to use

55:22

the system. I have to imagine Google is going

55:25

to make it friendly, right? Um,

55:30

well, I don't know. So

55:32

I don't know if this is Google integrations with Firefly,

55:35

but what I will say is using

55:38

these generative, uh, text

55:40

to image tools is

55:42

so much fun. It

55:45

kind of gives you weird stuff, but it's, it reminds

55:47

me of the early days of Google search where you just

55:49

were kind of searching for stuff just to see

55:51

what it would give you. Um,

55:53

it's really delightful and really fun to play

55:56

with. Yeah. I mean,

55:58

it looked like a lot of fun and

55:59

having it kind of baked into Android 14, which

56:02

we're going to talk about after the next

56:04

break in a little bit

56:06

more detail. But at the same

56:08

time, can help, but just kind of

56:11

chuckle a little bit because I

56:14

think the wallpaper as feature ship

56:17

has kind of sailed. You

56:20

know what I mean? It kind of felt like, oh

56:22

no, we're back to wallpapers. There's

56:24

really not a whole lot going on here, is there? If

56:26

like the wallpaper is- Gateway

56:28

drug to more generative

56:30

AI because it's easy, it's simple, it

56:32

won't disrupt their life. It's not disrupting

56:34

their lives so far. Well, I think

56:36

this came up in our interview with Dave and Samir

56:38

as well also. So go back and listen to Dan and

56:42

you can hear Dave in his own words saying it, but they wanted

56:44

to give it a practical, like

56:46

this is something that actually people can do

56:49

on their phone and immediately see the power of it. So

56:51

when I think you're right in terms of like a gateway drug, it's

56:54

like it hurts no one. It gives you a chance

56:56

to express yourself. And here's the thing,

57:00

in terms

57:02

of this, you could

57:04

do this and not

57:07

thank the AI for it. Right?

57:11

Like you don't need to position this as AI.

57:13

You could position this as material, you, and

57:16

all that sort of stuff. And then let the under

57:18

the hood people be like, oh my God, is there AI thing

57:20

doing it? Like you could just be like, type this in, you can

57:22

make your own wallpaper type, you know, like- Yeah,

57:24

that's true. But they chose to position, you know, like, yeah. Yeah,

57:27

it's interesting. But of course they're going to make

57:29

it an AI thing because AI

57:32

is very now and Google's mission

57:35

was to prove to you, hey, we've been doing this a long

57:38

time. We deserve to be in the conversation when

57:41

it comes to AI. Exactly. Which is a perfect

57:43

segue to you, Ron, because

57:45

you ranked an article about the

57:48

assistant and how

57:50

it was missing. Yeah,

57:52

so yeah, thank you, Jason. We

57:55

talked a couple of months ago about how

57:57

Google was shifting a lot of key staff members from-

57:59

the Google Assistant team to the

58:02

Bard and AI team. And

58:04

then as we went through the keynote, I forget

58:06

who said it, but at some point I was talking to somebody

58:09

and someone's like, I don't think they said assistant

58:11

once in the presentation at all.

58:13

And they're like, Jason, it might've been you actually. I was

58:15

like, yeah, you're right. They didn't say it at all. And sure enough,

58:18

you know, I'm referring to this article in wire that I saw

58:20

the hit today that was, you know, the curious case

58:22

of the missing Google Assistant. And

58:24

it's just basically saying how, you know,

58:26

the focus is on AI

58:28

and assistant

58:29

has been the thing that

58:32

they built their AI interface around.

58:34

And it was gone.

58:36

It was just absent from the keynote. And

58:39

I would love to know why or how or whatever

58:42

and why that choice

58:44

was and what it means to the future of assistant.

58:46

So we'll see. I

58:48

mean, maybe they're going to get rid of it, right?

58:51

And then it just becomes how you interact with

58:53

Google stuff. And it's just a native part of it. And

58:56

it could be, I've heard some people speculate that, you know,

58:59

people don't like it anymore. They're down on Siri,

59:01

like they're down on assistance. So like, don't focus

59:04

on it. But yeah, what the, what

59:06

the reasoning was. Yeah.

59:08

I mean, it is interesting. I mean, especially

59:11

when you consider, you know, as

59:13

we have talked about on this show in recent

59:16

months with this whole AI

59:19

thing that's happening right now, Google

59:21

was there. They were there, you know, many

59:23

years ago, they fired off the, the

59:27

voice assistant trend,

59:29

I would say

59:30

largely, but they were very accessible

59:33

when it came to, to that. And they

59:35

proved, I think, you know, in that

59:37

first, that first go, Google

59:40

assistant was the winner, you know, certainly

59:42

it wasn't Siri assistant

59:45

for the longest time,

59:47

gave you what you were looking for. And

59:49

I would say it's broken down in recent years, but

59:52

Google was there. It had the pedigree to

59:54

really dominate with AI. So it is

59:57

telling that there was no real assistant

59:59

news.

59:59

I went to just now the Google

1:00:02

blog, the keyword blog where,

1:00:04

and the, uh, articles, a hundred

1:00:06

things we announced at IO 2023, a hundred things. And

1:00:10

I did a search on the page for assistant.

1:00:13

It appears twice. Number 14

1:00:15

is thanks to machine learning technology, assistant

1:00:18

voice typing on pixel tablet is

1:00:20

almost three times faster than regular typing.

1:00:23

Okay. And then the last

1:00:25

one is number 99 out of a hundred.

1:00:29

Um, with the new app actions test

1:00:31

library and the Google assistant plugin

1:00:33

for Android studio, uh, it's

1:00:36

now easier to code, easier to emulate

1:00:39

the user experience to forecast, uh,

1:00:41

user expectations and blah, blah, blah. So

1:00:44

not a whole lot going on with assistant at Google

1:00:46

IO this year, even according to Google

1:00:49

and a hundred things that were announced only to very,

1:00:51

you know, very small things.

1:00:53

It really is like a Sherlock murder mystery

1:00:55

with the curious case of the missing Google assistant. And

1:00:57

then we had like, I mean, I don't know if we talked

1:00:59

about it specifically, but there was a story months ago

1:01:01

about losing $10 billion for

1:01:04

Amazon. So it's just all nefarious,

1:01:06

right? Like one assistant loses $10 billion. Another

1:01:08

one is like missing from the scene. What's happening

1:01:10

to all the assistants? Where are they going? What's happening? But

1:01:13

yeah, I mean, like,

1:01:13

they're being promoted. Assistance are no longer

1:01:15

assistance to others. They're, uh, commanding

1:01:18

their own ship. I don't know. Yeah. This

1:01:22

pivot, pivot. Yeah. The assistants

1:01:24

are pivoting. That's what they're doing. They're

1:01:28

entering the witness protection program and becoming chat

1:01:30

bots. That's, that's

1:01:33

it. Um, okay.

1:01:36

Let's take a break

1:01:37

and, uh, we will

1:01:40

come back and talk about even more IO

1:01:42

news that doesn't really have a whole

1:01:44

lot to do with AI, at least not

1:01:46

directly. Watch it prove us

1:01:48

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Ron, you have something. I was going

1:05:15

to say, before we moved on, I did ask

1:05:17

Bard why didn't Google talk about Assistant

1:05:20

at I.O. And I just wanted to

1:05:22

share what it said. It said there are

1:05:24

a few possible reasons why Google didn't talk about Assistant

1:05:26

at I.O. It said the Assistant is already

1:05:28

mature. It's been around for several

1:05:30

years now. It's already a very powerful and capable product.

1:05:33

As a result, may not be seen as a priority. Second

1:05:37

option was Google's focusing on other things. They're

1:05:39

always working on new products and features. It's possible

1:05:41

they're prioritizing other things at I.O. For example,

1:05:44

they talked about new product products like the Pixel

1:05:46

7a and new AI

1:05:48

powered features like Bard. And the last

1:05:50

one is Google's facing competition. Another number

1:05:53

of other companies are developing voice assistants, such

1:05:55

as Amazon's Alexa and Apple Siri. As

1:05:57

a result, Google may be feeling pressure to focus

1:05:59

on. developing new features. And they

1:06:01

said, ultimately, only Google knows for sure why

1:06:03

they didn't talk about assistant at IO this year. However,

1:06:06

it's likely a combination of factors played a role in

1:06:08

that decision. So,

1:06:10

okay. I'm,

1:06:12

Bard is like a part of my life now. I love it.

1:06:17

Oh, Bard. Okay.

1:06:21

So let's see

1:06:23

here. I'm trying to make sense of all the, just the

1:06:26

reorganizing

1:06:27

that I did. I think we

1:06:29

are at Android 14

1:06:32

and when this falls in your

1:06:34

lap, this was kind of an interesting thing. And

1:06:36

again, we will tease forward to the

1:06:38

interview that you will catch after

1:06:41

the credits with Dave Burke and Samir Samat because

1:06:43

they even said it, I mean, a must, much

1:06:46

of that interview is about Android 14,

1:06:48

but they even said like Android 14 is

1:06:50

kind of an under the hood update.

1:06:52

What are your thoughts? Like what are we up to?

1:06:55

Yeah. So I like to call, like, I feel

1:06:57

like a lot of, uh, late lately,

1:06:59

uh, Android has been what we would call a dot release. So

1:07:01

when we version things in developer world, very often

1:07:04

we save like whole numbers, like 1.0 for

1:07:06

like big flashy things that you would get marketing about.

1:07:08

And then kind of like the nice like work,

1:07:10

horsey, fixing bugs, minor like

1:07:13

updates, things that aren't really like flashy and

1:07:15

awesome that you want to hold like keynote for. They're

1:07:18

still very important. Like tend to be like that releases.

1:07:20

So 1.1,

1:07:21

1.2. So it kind of feels

1:07:23

a little bit like kind of like that, right? That

1:07:26

maybe the reason

1:07:28

that Android 14 was not so mentioned

1:07:30

is that it's just doing the hard work under the hood,

1:07:33

but I mean, like each individual thing in

1:07:35

isolation might not seem so crazy and awesome, but

1:07:37

it's an aggregate. It's a lot of

1:07:40

much better experiences, uh, in

1:07:42

small ways because the small things add up, right? So

1:07:45

just to kind of go down, uh, this

1:07:47

list and again, I, I thought it was great.

1:07:50

Uh, and to give Dave Burke a lot of credit when

1:07:52

we asked him about Android 14 or Android 14

1:07:54

and not to spoil anything,

1:07:56

the ban was on, he was on message and he had a lot of

1:07:58

great things to say about Android.

1:07:59

But yeah, just to

1:08:02

give the folks here an understanding

1:08:05

of what

1:08:06

you would see in

1:08:08

Android 14, once it

1:08:10

comes out, would be things like clock customization

1:08:12

for the lock screen. Again, a small

1:08:16

quality of life, fun little enhancement, maybe

1:08:18

not necessarily worth the keynote though. I

1:08:20

don't know, I'll

1:08:20

kind of be kind of fun. But

1:08:22

little things like data privacy. So

1:08:25

they actually, one thing that was really important

1:08:27

is that when a dev changes the way they share data,

1:08:29

like if they share data with a third party, you

1:08:31

get to know about it. Very important

1:08:34

stuff. Again, not the most flashy thing that you'd want to make a Super Bowl commercial about,

1:08:36

but super important. Camera

1:08:39

flash notifications. So if you're the kind of person who goes

1:08:41

heads down a lot and you really, really,

1:08:43

really need some extra, like

1:08:46

a nudge when you get a notification,

1:08:48

you're going to ask Android 14 to

1:08:51

flash the camera flash.

1:08:54

Health Connect is actually getting integrated into the

1:08:56

OS and you're

1:08:58

going to get easier access for hearing and controls

1:09:00

as well as warnings when you listen to high volume

1:09:03

for an extended period of time. So kind of

1:09:05

wellness and wellness and health of users.

1:09:10

There's something really cool called Smart File Transfer

1:09:13

that allows developers like us

1:09:16

to basically create a... Like if you're downloading

1:09:18

your favorite podcast or whatever,

1:09:21

like a YouTube video, if you start that

1:09:23

transfer,

1:09:24

the OS will do the work of making

1:09:26

sure to reschedule or pause it if you lose connectivity.

1:09:28

So again, that's a really

1:09:30

awesome feature. Just kind of

1:09:33

hard to make a keynote around. But it

1:09:35

will be there for developers as well

1:09:37

as third party support for Paskies. Not

1:09:40

that we've ever, ever talked about Paskies on this show

1:09:42

or

1:09:42

Paskies in general. Definitely not.

1:09:45

But if we did, we would have to

1:09:47

definitely mention that Android 14 is going to give

1:09:49

Paskie support to third party developers. And

1:09:52

then there's...

1:09:53

Oh, this is very developer-y, but

1:09:55

art is going to be upgraded to

1:09:58

R14, which gives support for Java 17, which is...

1:09:59

is really awesome, Kotlin,

1:10:02

jargon, jargon, jargon, but this is really cool stuff for

1:10:05

us to have. It kind of allows us to write things a little

1:10:07

bit better and with more modern technology

1:10:09

under hood, more paraphasing. And

1:10:11

something we talked about last week with Michelle is again

1:10:13

that forced letterboxing,

1:10:16

vertical boxing, on larger screens,

1:10:19

partial screen share for portion screen and ultra

1:10:22

HDR support. So, I mean, there

1:10:24

is so much in Android 14

1:10:27

that unfortunately, by design

1:10:30

is getting overshadowed by AI. But

1:10:32

I mean, there's a very, I'm getting

1:10:34

letterboxed. I'm getting vertical box. I'm getting vertical.

1:10:37

Pillar boxing is what it's called. Pillar boxing.

1:10:39

Pillar boxing. Yeah, we got any help

1:10:41

to that effect. Oh, we did. Thank you,

1:10:43

Matt.

1:10:43

I think it was Matt, but yeah. Thank

1:10:46

you, Matt, for letting us know that I'm being

1:10:48

pillar boxed right now. But yeah, all

1:10:50

of these things are just

1:10:52

honestly really great. Oh, I forgot to mention share sheets

1:10:55

because again, we've never ever talked about share

1:10:57

sheets on a show or complained about them at

1:10:59

length. But I mean, the AI

1:11:02

just a lot of great stuff. Anything

1:11:04

that I just ran down really quickly that sounds super

1:11:07

exciting to anyone that they wish was an Aikino?

1:11:09

Well,

1:11:09

yeah, Mike, I'm curious to kind

1:11:11

of hear your thoughts because I think IO, you

1:11:15

know, at its core, I don't have to

1:11:17

remind you of this, it's a developer conference.

1:11:20

And so many people are

1:11:22

there because of the Android,

1:11:24

the Android developments.

1:11:28

But again, this was kind of a light. I mean,

1:11:30

the keynote hardly talked about Android.

1:11:33

I mean, it was hardly even a topic. In two

1:11:35

hours, you barely heard anything

1:11:37

about Android. How do you feel about

1:11:39

how Android 14 is shaping up from

1:11:43

your perspective and

1:11:45

how Google is choosing to or

1:11:48

not to emphasize it?

1:11:50

What do you

1:11:51

think? So I think that Android

1:11:54

is fairly mature. So we're not ever

1:11:56

going to be looking at these drastic changes.

1:11:58

It's all going to be small. small things, but

1:12:01

the small things that I think are trending really positive

1:12:04

for Android and that are really empowering

1:12:06

for us as Android users are all the permissions

1:12:09

and the control over data that

1:12:11

there were some examples of that in that list, but

1:12:16

us being in control of how our information

1:12:18

is shared and understanding that is

1:12:20

really powerful and I feel like there's a lot of moves

1:12:23

for the OS to kind of control that.

1:12:27

That's really useful. Yeah, yeah.

1:12:31

Interesting. I mean we're gonna blink and Android 14

1:12:34

is gonna be releasing to our

1:12:36

Pixel devices, those of us who have a

1:12:38

Pixel, so you're not gonna have to wait too

1:12:40

long. I still have yet to actually

1:12:43

get on the beta train and this could be the longest

1:12:45

that I've gone in many years of not being

1:12:48

on the beta train, but life has been busy,

1:12:50

but I do feel the tug in that direction.

1:12:54

I feel like I need to kind of hop on the train. Tonight's

1:12:57

tonight.

1:12:57

Go ahead. Tonight. Do it

1:12:59

tonight. I like it. I like it. The

1:13:02

community wants you to, Jason, just to be clear. I

1:13:05

will do it and then I'll be like, it

1:13:07

looks the same, you know. It's

1:13:11

so under the hood, but anyways, so

1:13:13

yeah, I will probably do that soon. But

1:13:17

that's and then what is it? Is

1:13:19

it upside down cake? That's where we're at

1:13:21

now.

1:13:22

Yes, yeah. Yes. I said down cake. Okay,

1:13:25

good to know. I don't know if there's even an Easter egg

1:13:27

that we can look forward to. Oh, there's the upside down

1:13:30

cake. Does not look delicious to

1:13:32

me.

1:13:33

By the way, that is Alex and

1:13:35

Chris on the on the Android team

1:13:37

and they actually made this upside down

1:13:39

cake as part of like an Android developers video.

1:13:42

So if you on the, on the audio stream, you're going to see two

1:13:44

lovely gentlemen that work at Android holding up an upside down

1:13:46

cake. And if you actually are interested in watching a couple

1:13:48

of people on the Android team make an upside down cake, you

1:13:51

should go to Android developers YouTube channel. But yeah, they

1:13:53

actually made that so good for them.

1:13:55

I don't know that I've ever had an upside

1:13:57

down cake. It does not look delicious to me. It

1:14:00

kind of looks like a fruit

1:14:02

of fruit. Well, much

1:14:04

like the much like the Android 14 beta, don't

1:14:06

judge it until you try it. OK, all right. Fair

1:14:08

enough. Tonight. So this is what you're going to do tonight

1:14:11

after the show. You're going to start up. You're going to

1:14:13

you're going to install the beta on your phone and then

1:14:15

you can go have an upside down cake and then it'll be great.

1:14:17

So where do I get an upside down cake?

1:14:19

Victor, get me an upside down

1:14:22

cake. Oh, go to

1:14:24

one every week. I

1:14:26

was thinking like when it was Oreo.

1:14:28

General, I don't know. I

1:14:31

can never again, never again. Anyways,

1:14:35

so I saw something really cool

1:14:37

while we were at Google I.O. And

1:14:40

I don't know. I don't know if you remember

1:14:42

this couple of years ago when Google

1:14:45

part of Google's announcement at I.O.

1:14:48

was something called Project Starline

1:14:51

and Starline. And this was, you know, peak

1:14:55

of the pandemic. Right. So we're all at home.

1:14:57

The Google I.O. presentation was all,

1:14:59

you know, it was virtual. And I

1:15:01

think much of it was most of it was prerecorded,

1:15:04

that sort of thing. Maybe this this must have been the year

1:15:06

where they had the like outdoor kind of

1:15:08

small stage with like little

1:15:10

groupings of people sitting in random places

1:15:13

in the in the yard and stuff. It was very strange.

1:15:15

But anyways, they announced Project

1:15:17

Starline then, which was not necessarily

1:15:20

a product that you could get, but

1:15:22

a product that they were working with and testing.

1:15:25

And it was essentially take

1:15:26

take a video conference

1:15:29

like a meet or a Zoom video conference,

1:15:31

but put it in a room with

1:15:34

a screen that is very, very

1:15:36

large and three dimensional. So

1:15:38

it's a three dimensional view. You

1:15:40

had to be in a fixed position looking

1:15:42

at the screen, talking to someone else who

1:15:45

has that technology on the other side of the Internet,

1:15:47

wherever they're calling from. And these cameras

1:15:50

that would essentially turn you and

1:15:52

your presence into a three dimensional object.

1:15:56

And I say object

1:15:56

because it's not just straight video. There

1:15:59

is, you know,

1:15:59

course, um, a computer that's

1:16:02

processing those images and making it so

1:16:04

that when you're looking in the screen, you're actually making

1:16:06

eye contact with the other person it's

1:16:09

three dimensional it's human size. And

1:16:11

so the idea was

1:16:13

then, you know, to make something that's

1:16:16

not just you looking on your laptop and

1:16:18

chatting with someone like you're actually kind

1:16:20

of in the same room, even though you're not,

1:16:23

I was very intrigued by this. I

1:16:25

know a lot of people were like, it, it seemed

1:16:27

like one of those like big promises, can

1:16:29

it deliver sort of things? And they

1:16:32

had the current version, the current

1:16:34

iteration of this technology at Google

1:16:37

IO

1:16:38

and, uh, somehow I was

1:16:40

able to talk myself into sitting down

1:16:43

in it, even though they were totally booked up

1:16:45

for most of the day, but I kept being persistent.

1:16:47

It was like, I have to check this out. And

1:16:50

I ended up speaking with a couple of the founders of the technology

1:16:52

and, uh, was able to sit

1:16:55

in the room, uh, on one end. And

1:16:58

then in the other room was, you know,

1:17:02

I wish I remembered his name, but, uh, the

1:17:04

guy who I was talking with and, but,

1:17:07

but I should clarify

1:17:08

all of that video was being sent

1:17:11

out into the vast internet. It wasn't

1:17:13

like they were connected directly. So I was getting

1:17:15

the actual experience. It was all happening

1:17:18

in real time online and

1:17:20

you know, it was updated technology. So

1:17:22

the cameras, there were less of them. Um,

1:17:26

I had to say it was really impressive.

1:17:28

Like not that I think that everybody's

1:17:30

going to have these, you know, the specialized

1:17:33

video conferencing system in their

1:17:35

homes. Yeah, that's exactly what it looked like. Um,

1:17:38

but it was really, really

1:17:40

cool. Like

1:17:41

it, like the, the, um, the.

1:17:44

Kind of the impact of it was very convincing.

1:17:47

Um, I'm looking at a screen,

1:17:50

but it's three dimensional. The person that's

1:17:52

in front of me is exactly, you

1:17:54

know, the right scale. At one point

1:17:56

he held up an apple and

1:17:58

I feel like I could.

1:17:59

could have just reached out and grabbed the apple and the scale

1:18:02

to the apple on the screen to my

1:18:04

hand right in front of me was perfect. He

1:18:06

ended up putting his fist out and I gave him a fist

1:18:09

bump. Even though I couldn't feel

1:18:11

his fist,

1:18:12

like my brain was really messed up. I was

1:18:14

like, I,

1:18:15

I want to feel like I expect to feel

1:18:18

the fist. It looked that real. And the

1:18:20

eye contact of the experience

1:18:22

was really, it was really something

1:18:24

I like. I was really impressed by it.

1:18:27

Yeah. So I don't remember the name of the guy you did the demo

1:18:29

with, but we, you and I both had the opportunity to

1:18:31

talk with Andrew, who was, um, uh,

1:18:34

one of the, uh, one of the, uh, he was chasing

1:18:36

the G. Yeah. He chased. Okay. You

1:18:38

talked to Jason, but, uh, Andrew is the GM of project

1:18:40

star line. Uh, we talked to him both at the star line

1:18:42

demo. Uh, also, uh, uh, just

1:18:44

kind of chatting, uh, later on, uh,

1:18:47

totally awesome, really engaging,

1:18:49

really believer of the product, really excited.

1:18:52

Like when you get that, like that's what I did like about

1:18:54

the IO experiences, like talking to the people

1:18:56

who are building

1:18:57

this stuff and getting a sense of that excitement,

1:18:59

it just, uh, so it was like, it was somewhat

1:19:01

infectious and like star line looked really, really

1:19:03

impressive. Andrew Nartker is

1:19:06

the general manager of project star line. And

1:19:08

then Jason Lawrence is

1:19:10

the director and they both have been

1:19:12

working on it for like six years. So I'm

1:19:14

happy. We finally got their name on, on these things

1:19:16

cause I talked about it on TNW and I could not

1:19:19

remember the name and I didn't have the time to search it. Anyways,

1:19:21

it was a really interesting and,

1:19:23

um, and powerful experience. Like

1:19:26

I really enjoyed

1:19:27

it. And I'm just like, Hey man,

1:19:29

if video conferencing was that it's,

1:19:31

it's almost, it's not quite the same

1:19:33

as like stepping on a teleporter and taking

1:19:36

me to wherever that person is, but

1:19:38

it's a close, I mean, but it's as close as

1:19:40

I'm probably going to get. You know what I mean? It was

1:19:42

very, very real. Like, and the

1:19:44

eye contact thing, I'll tell you the eye contact

1:19:47

thing was a little disconcerting because I'm

1:19:49

looking at this screen the way we're used

1:19:51

to looking in screens, right? But I'm

1:19:54

making eye contact with this person that I'm talking

1:19:56

to and he's making eye contact with

1:19:58

me and like.

1:19:59

it felt kind of uncomfortable. It was

1:20:02

like, at some point I wanted to like look away

1:20:04

because like, I don't know.

1:20:07

It was, it was, it was real, but it, but

1:20:09

at the same time it was a TV. And,

1:20:12

um, anyways, it was a pretty

1:20:14

remarkable experience. So

1:20:16

if you ever get the opportunity,

1:20:19

if you happen to walk into a room and there's a project star

1:20:21

line, just try it. Just give it a

1:20:23

shot. Yeah. You're upside

1:20:26

down cake and show the person you're talking to. And

1:20:28

yeah, so there you go. But

1:20:30

they, they, they, they didn't just talk

1:20:33

about AI and apps

1:20:35

and stuff at, uh, we're seeing, we're

1:20:37

seeing the best for last coming

1:20:40

up. It's some hardware from

1:20:42

Google IO.

1:20:46

All right. So yes, we

1:20:48

knew all about the hardware in

1:20:50

advance, but we might as well

1:20:53

tell

1:21:01

you, you know, give it 10 minutes or so to kind

1:21:03

of talk about a little bit of what was announced

1:21:05

and when we'll start with you.

1:21:07

Yeah. And so the very

1:21:10

equally awaited pixel seven eight was

1:21:12

announced and our very own Florence

1:21:15

has written up a little review of it. So check that

1:21:17

out on gizmodo.com. But I

1:21:19

mean, um, I, I think

1:21:22

unabashedly, uh, flow really liked it.

1:21:24

I mean, the title of her article is

1:21:26

Google's pixel seven. A is just

1:21:28

as good as the regular pixel seven.

1:21:31

And yeah, I yes,

1:21:33

for a hundred dollars less. And, and flow makes a

1:21:36

lot of really good kind of, she did a lot

1:21:38

of really awesome testing and comparisons, but basically

1:21:40

there's not, there's not

1:21:42

a huge difference in a lot

1:21:44

of ways between the two phones. And

1:21:47

there's a lot that the seven A seems to do as

1:21:49

well, or even better than the seven.

1:21:52

So for example, flow the

1:21:54

camera, the camera action, the seven A seems just

1:21:56

a tiny, tiny, tiny bit better. Um, and

1:21:58

if you want to go like blow for

1:21:59

or blow spec for spec. The

1:22:02

Pixel 7a, for example, has a 64 megapixel

1:22:05

main camera compared to the 50 megapixel

1:22:07

camera of the Pixel 7, a 13 megapixel

1:22:11

ultra wide versus 12 megapixel ultra

1:22:13

wide. And even the front camera is 13

1:22:16

compared to the 10.8. I think Flo even said in her

1:22:18

article that while she found the Google

1:22:20

Pixel 7's front camera to be a little muddy,

1:22:23

does not feel the same way about the Pixel

1:22:25

7a. Not only are the camera units themselves

1:22:27

good, but the 7a is also

1:22:29

rocking

1:22:29

the tensor 2 chip, the

1:22:34

Tensor G2 chip, which is bringing you that super awesome

1:22:37

computational photography

1:22:39

and

1:22:45

taking your picture to the next level as Google does.

1:22:48

And just in general, Flo found this phone

1:22:50

to be as snappy and performant generally as

1:22:52

the Pixel 7. And

1:22:55

there's a lot of things that are just a little bit different,

1:22:57

like it's a little bit smaller. The storage

1:23:00

is a problem. The storage max that you get for

1:23:02

7a is 128 gigabytes. So

1:23:05

I mean, if you do like using that slightly

1:23:08

better camera, you'll have less space

1:23:10

to take

1:23:11

pictures and video with. But

1:23:13

apps can offload to the cloud, right?

1:23:16

And stuff like that. But I

1:23:18

mean, the 7 does go up to 256. I

1:23:21

mean, just generally, that

1:23:24

is kind of one of the big things. I think the battery

1:23:26

life is slightly, yeah, trade off. Thank you.

1:23:29

It's slightly less. And there

1:23:32

is an MmWave version that costs $50 more. But

1:23:35

I mean, just generally, for $500 for a mid range

1:23:38

phone, you're getting the same chip as

1:23:43

the flagships. You're getting roughly the same

1:23:45

size

1:23:46

screen. You're

1:23:48

getting the same amount of RAM, which is not great at 8, but not

1:23:50

bad at

1:23:50

all. Comparable

1:23:53

capacity, fast charging, wireless

1:23:55

charging, a better

1:23:58

camera.

1:23:59

IP67 versus IP68. And

1:24:03

interestingly enough, while the 7

1:24:06

has in-screen fingerprint in terms of biometrics,

1:24:08

the 7A has fingerprint and face

1:24:11

unlock. So it's

1:24:15

really kind of confusing, right? Because

1:24:17

obviously you have, you know, it

1:24:19

seems like it's starting to intrude on the space that

1:24:22

the Pixel 7 is holding in terms

1:24:24

of like, you know, the Pixel system. So

1:24:26

I know, Ron, you're my mid-range man.

1:24:29

Thoughts? Like, I

1:24:31

loved it. I got to hold it. I

1:24:34

got to get to use it. I got to play with

1:24:36

it. It does not feel like a mid-range phone.

1:24:39

Like the A series phones

1:24:41

have felt plasticky

1:24:43

in comparison to their non-A counterparts,

1:24:46

which should feel very medley and glassy. If

1:24:49

you handed me this Pixel 7A and told me it was the 7,

1:24:51

I would believe you. Like if you erase everything

1:24:53

I knew about everything we knew, we'd be like, here's the Pixel 7. It's

1:24:56

like, oh, wow, cool. Like it felt great. Like this

1:24:58

is a, like, I would confidently

1:25:00

recommend this to anybody who's looking for, you know,

1:25:02

for an Android phone in the mid-range and

1:25:05

be satisfied with what you get for 500 bucks. I

1:25:07

mean, I think it's, I think it's a home run personally. Yeah. Very,

1:25:10

very surface, like just playing with it in the demo pit

1:25:12

area. I'm hoping knock on wood, we

1:25:14

get a, you know, I get a review in it and can, you

1:25:17

know, kind of take it through spaces a little more. But at first

1:25:19

glance, I was super impressed. Jason, what did you think? Yeah.

1:25:22

I mean, and unsurprisingly,

1:25:24

so at this point, I feel like Google

1:25:27

has kind of a good formula for the A series

1:25:30

devices that they're releasing. It

1:25:32

is interesting that, you know, it's, it's a hundred

1:25:34

dollar difference from the Pixel It's

1:25:37

making me wonder like, why have the

1:25:39

A series be away

1:25:41

from the regular

1:25:42

device? Because the family

1:25:45

is, you know what I mean? Like Samsung, well,

1:25:48

I guess they kind of do that with their, um,

1:25:51

do they even do the fan edition anymore? I don't think

1:25:53

that they do. I can't remember the

1:25:55

FE, but anyways, my point being

1:25:58

Samsung, you know, releases like three

1:25:59

three galaxies at the same time, small,

1:26:02

medium and large, you know, the ultra

1:26:04

and whatever they call the rest of them. The

1:26:07

seven a is really the small, you know, it's 6.1 inches,

1:26:09

pixel seven is 6.3, the pixel seven

1:26:13

pro is 6.7 and they

1:26:15

kind of, it's, it's just like, you

1:26:17

know, a hundred dollar difference from the seven. So

1:26:20

I don't, I don't know. It's kind of like, why do

1:26:22

we even really need to wait for this? It's almost

1:26:24

like they should all release at the same time and

1:26:27

you just have three options depending on the size,

1:26:29

depending on the materials. And

1:26:32

those are really the only two things that are kind

1:26:34

of different. I mean aside, you know, the battery,

1:26:36

like you said, is a little bit larger actually.

1:26:38

The other thing that you don't get is battery share.

1:26:41

So the ability to share the battery of the device

1:26:43

with another device, you don't get that on the,

1:26:46

on the seven a, but that's not really a feature that I use.

1:26:49

So and you get the lower storage. So there

1:26:51

is that, that is pretty significant for a lot

1:26:53

of people.

1:26:54

But is that enough for the seven

1:26:56

a not to cannibalize like the

1:26:58

audience and the buyers for the seven?

1:27:01

And is that,

1:27:01

and you know what, that's probably the reason why they stagger

1:27:04

because if that did come out, then you know what I

1:27:06

mean? Maybe that's a part of the reason why they stagger. But

1:27:10

then are people just pissed that they, sorry,

1:27:12

are they just mad? My bad that they

1:27:14

spent a hundred bucks extra for a slightly

1:27:18

to somewhat better phone. Like is that, I don't know.

1:27:20

It's just

1:27:22

a little muddled, but I'm happy that

1:27:25

the a is awesome. Let's the positive

1:27:27

note. I'm happy that they is awesome.

1:27:28

You know, once again, the a, the a stands

1:27:30

for awesome. Apparently it does. It

1:27:32

really does. Sure does. Um,

1:27:35

also in the hardware parade was

1:27:37

the, uh, a year in

1:27:40

the making the pixel tablet finally was unveiled.

1:27:43

Um, I feel like we've seen it.

1:27:45

We knew it existed. We've been waiting

1:27:47

for it. The question was, uh, what

1:27:50

was it going to cost? Uh,

1:27:52

and, and would it come with the doc

1:27:54

or would they charge for the doc or whatever it would be?

1:27:57

And happy to report that.

1:27:59

It was, it's, it's, it's

1:28:02

priced at a dang good price. For some

1:28:04

reason the Google store is giving me UK

1:28:06

prices, which I don't really understand why. Um, so

1:28:09

I can't tell you the exact price. It was, yeah,

1:28:11

there we go. I got to fix it. It fixed it for some reason.

1:28:15

Yeah, I think it's 4.99. Yeah. Sorry. I

1:28:17

wanted to get prices too. Did I link to it? I

1:28:19

think the link in the doc goes to the, it goes to the, oh,

1:28:21

G B. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah,

1:28:24

exactly. But I was super

1:28:26

excited to see the tablet get announced at $499. Starting

1:28:30

that's with 128 gig of memory. You

1:28:35

can get 256 gig of memory and get, and that knocks

1:28:37

the price out to 599 comes in three colors,

1:28:39

porcelain,

1:28:42

hazel and Rose. And

1:28:44

it comes with the doc. And

1:28:47

here, if you're watching the video version, you can see my dumb face

1:28:49

holding the tablet itself. But

1:28:53

the big question for me is that tablet

1:28:55

to doc,

1:28:56

a snap in moment, and

1:28:58

it has a satisfying

1:29:00

snap. It has a satisfying click. The

1:29:03

magnets click in and it grabs it and

1:29:05

holds it to that doc. Um, I saw some

1:29:07

articles and some coverage that were touting and saying,

1:29:09

you know, not only is this an upgrade to

1:29:11

the smart speaker kind of, you know, kind

1:29:13

of segment, but it's going to destroy it because

1:29:15

it now has created a new product, which is the

1:29:18

smart speaker with the tablet that detaches.

1:29:21

And it's like Google has innovated in it

1:29:23

by innovating in the space. They're going to destroy a

1:29:25

product line, which is kind of what Google does.

1:29:28

Um, but, uh, I will say

1:29:30

that I ordered this

1:29:32

and when can, uh, you can, you can attest

1:29:34

this cause you're right next to me. I ordered it as

1:29:37

they announced it. I was sold immediately

1:29:39

upon seeing it. So, um, the

1:29:41

one, my one little bit of criticism is they did show

1:29:44

off a very cool case that had

1:29:46

a little metal ring that also worked

1:29:48

as a stand. And you can see if you're

1:29:50

watching the video, you can see me playing with that, playing

1:29:52

with that. Um, uh,

1:29:55

and the, the metal ring snaps into the dock

1:29:57

really nicely and it all fits very organically. That

1:29:59

case.

1:29:59

like 80 bucks, which is like, that's a

1:30:02

little, I did not buy that, but, um,

1:30:04

that was a little expensive for

1:30:05

my, for, for people on the, who

1:30:07

are only on the audio stream, the look of joy, uh, kind

1:30:10

of like enjoyment on, on Ron's face,

1:30:13

uh, as he plays with the pixel tablet is very, I don't

1:30:15

know. It's

1:30:15

been a long time coming for, yeah, it's

1:30:18

awesome. I love a good tablet. Mike,

1:30:20

I want to know what you think about the tablet revolution that's coming.

1:30:22

Do you think that this is, is this it or,

1:30:25

or are we still have a long uphill battle

1:30:27

to go? Will this, will this device change the

1:30:29

fate of tablet apps?

1:30:31

I don't know about that. And I

1:30:33

am a tablet user. I actually already have two

1:30:35

perfectly good Android tablets in my house. I

1:30:37

have a S eight plus, which is a Samsung

1:30:40

S eight plus, which is I think a 12 inch tablet.

1:30:43

Um, and then a six, which is a nine

1:30:45

inch. I'm still going to buy this. Um,

1:30:48

but I actually think I'm going to buy it more as

1:30:50

a home, a replacement for my original

1:30:52

home seven inch home with

1:30:55

screen, which I love. It's like the best,

1:30:57

uh, photo album in the world. Um, you

1:31:00

know, great location for just like central

1:31:02

hub. So I

1:31:04

don't know if I'm going to purchase it as a tablet,

1:31:07

um, as much as a home device,

1:31:09

which is what you just said a moment ago. It's kind of like a

1:31:12

killer

1:31:13

feature for a different product product segment.

1:31:15

If you're buying it as a home device though,

1:31:18

you're spending a lot more on this than you were spending

1:31:20

on other home devices, like two to

1:31:22

three times as much. You're buying it as

1:31:25

a tablet that also has that functionality.

1:31:27

It makes a lot more sense. And the fact that that doc

1:31:29

is included at the $500 price point. I think

1:31:32

that for me, that was once I

1:31:34

heard that I was like, okay, this, this

1:31:36

has a, this is better

1:31:39

than I had hoped. Like I really thought

1:31:41

that doc was going to be like another hundred hundred

1:31:43

fifty dollars. And then it

1:31:46

would be self control. I buy

1:31:48

pretty much every device that comes

1:31:50

out. So certainly

1:31:53

not every device, but if it

1:31:55

has any interest, even a little bit,

1:31:57

I'm like, Oh yeah, I'll take my credit

1:31:59

card.

1:31:59

Okay. Well, that's, that's interesting.

1:32:02

Cause I want to know, did

1:32:04

you pull out your wallet for the pixel fold?

1:32:08

My wall, it's not thick

1:32:10

enough. Ironically, maybe

1:32:13

my company will get me one of those. Yeah.

1:32:16

I mean, $1,799 for the pixel fold. Yes. Announced

1:32:21

at Google IO. Uh, they

1:32:23

showed it off. Dave Burke,

1:32:26

as we said earlier in the show, did a bunch

1:32:28

of demos from the stage and they

1:32:30

went really well. And, uh,

1:32:32

you know, they, they had this device

1:32:35

in the press area as well. So I spent a bunch of time

1:32:38

pawn at the pixel fold. And

1:32:40

yes, it is, it has the nice

1:32:43

kind of thin quality to it.

1:32:45

When it's unfolded, it feels thinner than

1:32:47

any of the other fold devices

1:32:50

that I've used. So it feels

1:32:52

really nice. I didn't notice this, but

1:32:54

a bunch of other people noticed that it

1:32:56

doesn't fold 100% flat. Like

1:32:59

you kind of have to bend it a little

1:33:01

further than it feels like it's supposed to go in order

1:33:03

to get it to be completely

1:33:05

flat. And the only, I'd say the only way you'd

1:33:07

probably notice

1:33:08

that is if you had it laying on a table, either

1:33:10

that, or if you're very OCD, you

1:33:12

would notice it in the palm of your hand. I didn't notice

1:33:15

it, but I mean, materials were excellent.

1:33:17

It felt really nice in the

1:33:19

hand as far as a foldable

1:33:22

is concerned. This style of foldable

1:33:24

though, for me, I just,

1:33:26

I don't trust myself with a

1:33:28

device that folds like that. Because

1:33:31

I feel like I'm going to want to hold it like

1:33:33

I hold a phone, which is with one hand. And

1:33:36

you know, once it's unfolded, it's really

1:33:38

a two hand device. And if you drop that thing,

1:33:41

that is a pricey mistake to make

1:33:43

at $1,800. I mean, if you drop a tablet, you're

1:33:46

spending $500 to replace it. If you drop

1:33:48

this thing, that's $1,800. That's

1:33:51

a lot, but

1:33:53

they did announce that if you order it now, I

1:33:55

don't think it's forever, but if you order it now, you

1:33:57

get a pixel watch thrown in and a couple of other

1:33:59

free.

1:33:59

So they're trying to, you know,

1:34:02

goose the pixel watch numbers a little bit. But,

1:34:05

uh, yeah, it's a pretty, pretty sharp

1:34:08

looking, uh, device as far as foldables are concerned. I

1:34:10

really, I really thought it was nice. The bezels

1:34:12

on the inside didn't bug me. That didn't really

1:34:14

bug me at all. So,

1:34:17

yeah. What did you think, Ron? Cause you got to play

1:34:19

around with it a little bit, right? Yeah, I

1:34:21

got to, I definitely wanted to feel it and

1:34:24

feel the full, feel the full, then get a sense for

1:34:26

it. I really like

1:34:28

what they did from a software

1:34:31

standpoint, you know, like the, the, the camera

1:34:33

modes, you know, like being able to, you know, being

1:34:35

able to, you know, the, the, the, the Uber selfie, you

1:34:37

know, in the example. And, and,

1:34:40

and some of the viewing modes and stuff like that, when

1:34:42

you're like watching YouTube and all that sort of stuff. Like

1:34:45

those are the things that like Google's going to bring

1:34:47

to the, to the platform that Samsung

1:34:49

did, that, that differentiation that, you know, like, like

1:34:51

the Google approach to phones versus Samsung

1:34:54

or, or Oppo or anybody else like that. I like the way it

1:34:56

looks. I like the little Star Trek, you

1:34:58

know, camera bar to match the, the pixel

1:35:00

line. The folding felt good.

1:35:03

It felt sturdy. It felt snap. You

1:35:05

know, went in place. I didn't, I didn't care about the folding

1:35:07

flat type thing. I think that was fine. Bezel.

1:35:10

I got a dinging on the bezel bezel was noticeable

1:35:13

and distracting to me personally. But

1:35:17

it's the first phone, you know, they'll get there. Yeah.

1:35:20

It was definitely, it was a good first start,

1:35:22

I thought for sure. Yeah. Interesting

1:35:24

stuff. So that's hardware that

1:35:27

there were no like, you know, Google IO

1:35:29

gimmes or freebies or anything like that. But there

1:35:31

were a lot of hardware announcements. Obviously

1:35:34

we all, we all saw that coming, right? So

1:35:37

that's Google IO in a nutshell. We're

1:35:39

going to give you a little Amoose Boosh here before

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we actually, that's at the

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beginning of the meal, isn't it? We're going

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to give you a little Android dessert. It's not

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an upside down cake. It is J.R. Ray

1:35:50

feel he's going to round out the show before

1:35:53

we say goodbye with an Android event. I'm Jay with an Android intelligence

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