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Hello, welcome to all about Android. You're

2:31

weekly source the latest news, hardware,

2:34

and apps for the Android

2:36

faithful. I'm Jason Howell.

2:39

And I'm Ron matters.

2:41

And I'm going to it

2:42

now. You gotta

2:44

love the hand gesture.

2:45

It says hand. And

2:47

in the fourth quarter, I'm

2:50

Michelle Ramon. There we go. There we go. We

2:52

had to complete the

2:55

voltron. How y'all doing? It's good to

2:57

see you Ron, thank

2:59

you for covering last week

3:01

with the the help of Flo and father

3:03

Robert. Of course, you guys It was a it was

3:05

a fun show. I'm sorry that one had

3:07

so little to say that

3:09

we'll do better next time. No. It was a

3:11

blast. It was great. Anytime with padre, anytime

3:13

with Flow, it was great. And I feel like

3:15

we

3:15

really, like, Close the book on CES.

3:18

Yes. I think we don't have to talk about CES

3:20

anymore.

3:21

No. No. No. That was fantastic

3:24

coverage of don't you know? You you can never

3:26

scapes CES. The moment CES ends, you're

3:28

getting invites to next CES. Oh,

3:30

source. It's it's it's just

3:32

like a landslide. Afterwards. It's

3:35

just like Android versions. The second the

3:37

the new one is officially out.

3:39

We start getting hints of the beta of the

3:41

next version. There's never any

3:43

rest. How it all ties

3:45

up. Well, we can we can report back

3:47

to it though. I mean, like and we got some fourteen

3:49

news for you, but we can check-in with thirteen,

3:51

see how it's doing. Yeah. That's right. That's

3:54

that's right because the Google hasn't

3:56

released official distribution numbers in quite

3:58

a while. I think was it August or something

4:00

like that since the last report, but they did very

4:02

recently talk about

4:04

the distribution of thirteen on

4:06

devices, and it looks it looks like thirteen

4:09

is sitting at a healthy five point

4:11

two percent of all devices within six

4:13

months of launch. I know, like, nominally

4:15

five percent doesn't seem like a lot, but

4:17

I think considering that, you know,

4:19

that's TWiT from Samsung one plus

4:21

and Sony. Not so bad. And there's

4:23

some other interesting things to note as

4:25

well, you know, twelve and

4:27

twelve l. They aren't distinguished in

4:30

these numbers, but twelve and twelve also at eighteen point

4:32

nine percent, eleven is at twenty

4:34

four point four percent, ten is at nineteen

4:36

point five, and nine is at thirteen point two

4:38

percent, I think. They've mentioned AAA

4:41

what.

4:41

A hold on. I love that you're

4:43

dive I love that you're diving right into it. So

4:45

excited with. Our are these

4:47

numbers are so excited. Wait a minute.

4:50

Wait a minute. Are we are we

4:52

in the news? I think somehow we're in the news. I think we're in

4:54

the news. I

4:54

think we're in the park. I think we're on the

4:56

news. Oh

4:58

my god. I thought it was a segue,

5:00

Jason. I was ready. I am gonna It was

5:02

a great segue.

5:03

was a fantastic segue. I

5:06

don't might not

5:06

do the news. Yeah. We we don't have to at

5:09

this point.

5:09

I don't want

5:10

to news, Bert. Okay. Here

5:12

we go. We're going into the news with you. No. I

5:14

can't do it.

5:16

Just just do it, Bert. Oh

5:18

my god. Now it's your turn. Show us your

5:20

brilliance. It's always our

5:22

intent. To do news

5:24

and bring it to you.

5:26

You're Android. I just I I respect

5:29

the energy being so excited to get I

5:31

don't Breakdown. Numbers breakdown.

5:33

We love our numbers. It's great win. So I'm sorry.

5:36

Please tell us tell us about KitKat.

5:37

No. I was,

5:38

like, segue. That's like that was such a

5:41

good segue. I thought it

5:41

was great. I mean, I was

5:43

like, I saw my moment to do, like, a really

5:45

smooth segue.

5:46

Love it. Well, I love that you went for it. I love

5:49

I love it. So

5:52

yeah. So apparently, KitKat has finally

5:55

finally fallen off the map. So,

5:58

yeah, it looks like adoption

6:00

of all the releases of Android are

6:02

kinda going at a really steady pace. Thirteen, of

6:04

course, again, is is doing well.

6:06

I personally didn't get thirteen on my

6:08

Samsung until, like, last month. So

6:11

I I think considering that we have a lot of

6:13

OEMs and there are various flavors

6:15

of thirteen, you know, having to

6:17

come at desperate times, five point two percent

6:19

is not bad. Although,

6:21

although, so, you know, although, anyone

6:24

looking at the number will automatically be,

6:26

like, six 5, five

6:28

point two percent. I mean

6:30

yeah. What I did not take the

6:32

time to do, which I wish

6:34

that I had, is compare. You

6:36

know, again, keep a some sort of a running

6:38

list of previous versions

6:41

and, you know, some sort of

6:43

comparable timetable. So

6:45

we know, like, is Android thirteen actually doing

6:47

better than Android twelve, eleven, ten,

6:49

nine, eight? At six months in, you

6:51

know, is five point two percent good

6:54

comparatively speaking? Or is that number

6:56

always gonna get smaller because we're

6:58

always gonna have more Android version

7:00

numbers in the rearview. Does

7:02

that make sense? Maybe,

7:04

Michelle, maybe you have some insight onto this because

7:06

I know you probably follow these things a little

7:08

bit closer than I have.

7:10

It's hard to determine that because,

7:12

like, the percentage will shrink because there's

7:14

gonna be more and more users who are

7:16

getting Android smartphones for the first time.

7:19

And, like, the budget segment is continuously

7:21

growing, you know, like Mhmm. -- like much faster

7:24

than, like, the flagship segment. You're

7:26

getting a lot of users who are buying maybe devices

7:28

that are running Android ten or Android eleven.

7:30

And so, like, even though Android thirteen is coming

7:32

out and it's like releasing the flagship devices,

7:35

you getting people who are buying new devices that are

7:37

on those older versions, and that's, like, skewing the

7:39

percentages. And we really have

7:41

no way of knowing that. Like, the only

7:43

people who would would be Google because they can

7:45

actually track the statistics, but

7:47

they only give us what they give us and that's

7:49

that chart in android studio. They used

7:51

to give us a whole lot more Now

7:53

they do not. Now it's like They used

7:55

to do it monthly. Yeah. But at least they gave us

7:57

it sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. And

7:59

and, like, percentage wise, how many so

8:01

what is the number of active Android devices,

8:04

I think? Okay. I'm googling real quick.

8:06

It's like three billion active devices. Right?

8:08

Mhmm. Five percent of that is is

8:10

hold on. Oh my gosh. Goog one

8:13

hundred Wait. How many zeros?

8:15

One bill wait. What's five percent of

8:17

three billion all? Like a hundred million? Something.

8:19

I can't. I I don't calculators

8:22

have common. I'm sorry. I'm, like, kind of Right.

8:24

So let's go five percent of what? One

8:26

fifty one hundred

8:27

fifty million. That's a hundred fifty million prices.

8:29

Come on. No.

8:29

It's two and also two hundred fifty million. Two

8:31

hundred fifty million. Two

8:33

hundred fifty million. Keep in

8:34

mind. That three billion active also excludes

8:36

every single Android device in China.

8:38

So there's like several

8:41

hundred million there to add to it.

8:42

Yeah. So So

8:44

yeah. Like, the number seemed small,

8:47

but it's

8:50

I I would say between one hundred

8:52

and fifty to two hundred million is

8:54

pretty dang good. And wait

8:56

till you know, and then, I mean, I guess we can

8:58

always take a look at as you said, Jason will be track track. We're

9:00

gonna be with thirteen next year or rather

9:02

later this year when fourteen comes out.

9:04

Now we do have some, you know, fourteen

9:07

news for you. Of course, as

9:09

we said, once they're once the once the

9:11

one is at, we're always talking about the next stop on

9:13

the train. And so have a couple of

9:15

things we can talk about with Android fourteen. I'm

9:17

gonna start with first with

9:19

the report or rather

9:21

this kind of article

9:23

by our Varian Lawrence Ion.

9:25

Anuizmodo reporting that Android

9:27

fourteen fourteen could grant you from installing ancient apps.

9:30

This is not a huge deal. Basically,

9:32

this is kind of along the vein of,

9:34

you know, Android and Google

9:36

just basically not letting

9:38

you get let your apps get out of

9:40

date. There's we've talked already

9:42

about how the Andrew

9:44

or Android and the Google Play Store kind of

9:46

tightening, you know, the specifics

9:48

of, you know, what version you should

9:50

be targeting and, like, when you should be

9:52

dating and what happens to your app on the app store if it doesn't happen.

9:55

So this is more just codifying it in

9:57

Android fourteen. And basically, the

9:59

interesting part is that if your

10:01

app is targeting through Android

10:03

six, which by the way is Android Marshmallow,

10:05

which was released in two thousand fifteen, it's just

10:07

gonna be blocked. Now this could hurt

10:09

folks that are, like, the side load. They're

10:11

they're deer and they're old and deer,

10:13

you know, apps and things like that. But

10:15

this is not really out

10:17

of that that it's not really surprise. And,

10:19

I mean, really, this is about securing

10:21

the platform because, obviously,

10:23

if an app is targeting before Marshmallow,

10:26

which is when, you know, all of that permissions

10:28

request came in, then, you know,

10:31

there there's a bigger pool of exploits

10:33

and looser security measures that that

10:35

actors can swim in. So that's one thing.

10:37

Now, another thing that was really cool, and

10:39

I really love this, was found

10:41

or reported found reported on

10:43

by our very own. Michelle Vermont. And

10:45

it's about something that is

10:47

really, you know, useful that has had

10:49

kind of a checkered past,

10:52

checkered use ability in the past of Android, and that's

10:54

the share menu. So, Michelle, over

10:56

to you, what did you find out about the share

10:58

menu in Android fourteen?

11:01

Thanks, Wayne. So first of all,

11:03

caveat. I don't know for

11:05

sure if this is going this change is going to

11:07

land in engine fourteen for everyone.

11:09

You can see bits and pieces of it in the Android

11:12

thirteen QPR betas. So

11:14

I'm just like telling you what I found and

11:16

just saying, hey, this could be coming in

11:18

Android fourteen. Or it can be coming in

11:20

Android fifteen who knows. So basically,

11:22

the share sheet, you know, as you

11:24

know, whenever you go to share

11:26

something like you open your file browser

11:28

app, and you go to your meme folder and you

11:30

wanna hit the share menu and you

11:32

wanna share it to your friend on, you know,

11:34

Facebook. Right? That

11:37

share menu experience is going to

11:39

vastly differ depending on what

11:41

application you use and what

11:43

device you use. So a lot of apps

11:45

like Facebook Twitter,

11:49

Chrome, etcetera. They all use their own

11:51

custom share menu. And

11:53

then you have the share menu, the system

11:55

share menu. That's on Android, on your

11:57

Pixel phone, it looks different than

11:59

what's on the share menu on Samsung

12:01

phones or one plus phones. So

12:03

if you use a lot of different phones

12:05

or use a lot of different apps.

12:07

Chances are you have absolutely zero muscle

12:09

memory of like what buttons you got to

12:11

press when you wanna share something. And that's kind

12:13

of annoying. Right? Because a lot of people use

12:15

use a share menu all the time. You wanna share

12:17

photos, videos, links,

12:20

etcetera. Between apps, like

12:22

something you do every single day, multiple times a

12:24

day. So the problem or,

12:26

like, it's like one of the root problems

12:28

that causes this share many inconsistency

12:30

is that is that

12:32

they

12:32

wanna play with us. They wanna mess with us. They wanna

12:35

make the experience horrible for us.

12:37

I understand what you're gonna say. Well,

12:40

I'm gonna talk about for sure. Good

12:43

reason. It's it's a bit

12:45

of a long standing, like, design

12:47

problem. So, like, app developers have

12:49

good reason to want to use their own custom share

12:51

menu. They're able to prioritize their own

12:53

share targets ahead of anything else.

12:55

They're able to design you know,

12:57

implement certain custom things that you

12:59

can't do in the system one. And

13:01

then you have the system share menu, which is

13:03

designed and customized by OEMs.

13:05

And that's one of the big problems that causes

13:07

inconsistency. The share

13:09

menu isn't updatable, like outside

13:11

of the Android OS.

13:13

So what Google is working on is they're is they're working

13:16

on unbundling that from the

13:18

OS into a separate app called

13:20

intent resolver. And by

13:22

unbundling it and potentially turning it

13:24

into a project mainline

13:26

module, I'm sure you've heard that term before.

13:28

Mhmm. They'll be able to update it

13:30

through Google Play System updates. So through the,

13:32

you know, Google Play Store as

13:34

with any other project mainline module.

13:36

So the idea is if they unbundle

13:38

it and make it updateable, then they could

13:40

both make it consistent. And

13:43

same experience across all devices. And

13:45

then hopefully, if they

13:47

extend it and add additional features that want

13:49

to make developers drop their own custom

13:51

share menus, then you'll have the same share

13:53

menu experience across devices and

13:55

across apps. So that's a long,

13:57

long term goal. This is just

13:59

the first step. They're trying to make

14:01

it unbundled. They're testing it

14:03

first of all. Like, it's not even a

14:05

guarantee this is actually going to become a

14:07

new module in Android fourteen.

14:09

But there's a lot of, like, this is the the the laying

14:12

the groundwork for fixing

14:14

the Share sheet experience. And if you wanna learn

14:16

how the Share sheet experience works, what

14:18

I mean by unbundling, what

14:20

intents are, all that jazz, like,

14:22

go read the article. It's really long. It goes over

14:24

all the background. Hopefully explains everything

14:26

you need to know. Yeah. It's on

14:28

esper dot I o on the blog,

14:30

and then we'll link to it in our show

14:32

show notes at TWiT dot tv

14:34

slash AAAA the share

14:36

menu. Harsh, I feel like

14:38

wasn't there a big news, like, a couple of years

14:40

ago where I was, like, yeah, the share menu. It's

14:42

gonna get more precise. I was just

14:44

I just feel like we hear this every two, three years

14:47

TWiT never happens. Yeah. Maybe

14:49

it will actually happen this time. We can only

14:51

hope because it is really it can be very

14:54

frustrating. Every app has a different

14:56

thing. It's like, wait a minute. I have that pinned up. Why

14:58

is that not up at the top? Oh, because it's not

15:00

pinned up over here. You

15:02

know, it's looks completely different. Some of

15:04

them are, like, night and day difference. Like, some of

15:06

them are very similar to each other,

15:08

but not quite perfect

15:09

match. And then others are just complete completely out

15:11

of the water. So Android

15:14

twelve forced apps through the

15:16

official share menu. Mhmm. So I

15:18

feel like that's gotta be the last time we

15:20

talked was like gonna use the same share menu.

15:22

Right? Like, was that like a -- Yeah. --

15:24

a a it was a unification

15:26

or a, like, commonality of

15:28

everybody that's that's that's that's

15:30

sharing. Yeah. I think that was the Hope

15:32

was oh, great. We're finally, the

15:34

share menu mess is over. I

15:37

mean, I think I've I've been a I've

15:39

been on many teams where we just because

15:41

of the inconsistency, we just

15:43

make our own because ever that's what

15:45

everybody else is doing. Right? Like, what is that? Not great.

15:47

Yeah. And Yeah.

15:48

Right. The yeah. Sorry.

15:50

The Android twelve being just the the to

15:52

correct that. The inner twelve thing you're referring to

15:55

was forcing everyone to

15:57

not replace the system share menu. didn't

15:59

force apps to use the system share

16:01

menu. was gonna have a, like,

16:03

a fixing this little thing that power

16:05

users like to use. Okay.

16:09

That well, Let's hope

16:11

that things actually get fixed.

16:13

Or at least more consistent

16:15

because it it is a glaring thing

16:17

that that I don't Maybe it's just

16:19

annoying to people who you know

16:21

what I mean? Like, maybe it's like a power

16:23

user or kind of an

16:25

android fan would

16:27

notice these things, but a regular android

16:29

users, like, I don't care. Like, it

16:31

pulls up a thing and I find the thing I wanna

16:33

share it to. Right. It's

16:35

in there. They're in the list somewhere. I don't

16:37

know what that could be easier. Who cares?

16:39

Yeah. It

16:40

is. Who knows? Well, I'll tell you something

16:42

that's broken that needs to get fixed and it's Twitter.

16:45

So following up on

16:47

last week's last week's

16:49

conversation, at my dismay

16:51

at finding out the talent, stopped working. And

16:54

a lot of our complaints was the fact that, you know,

16:56

third party developers with apps like Tweetbot

16:58

and and and talent

17:00

and, you know, you name it. We're all

17:02

frustrated that all of a sudden their apps won you

17:04

know, Thursday or Friday night stopped working.

17:06

Twitter TWiT since last week show, Twitter

17:08

has actually updated their developer agreement to

17:10

spell out their restrictions,

17:13

specifically on third party client development.

17:15

And they added the following text

17:18

to the restriction section, quote,

17:20

use or access the license materials to

17:22

create or attempt to create a substitute

17:24

or similar service or product to the Twitter applications. So

17:27

if there was any

17:29

ambiguity as to whether it was officially

17:31

turned off third party applications or not,

17:33

it's right there. In the

17:35

agreement, which is just unbelievably frustrating

17:38

in a huge bummer and hope that they turn that

17:40

around at some point. just

17:43

don't know that that's gonna happen yet. And

17:45

tweeting and as we're showing right here,

17:47

Twitter is enforcing its

17:49

long standing API rules.

17:51

That may result in some apps not Some

17:54

apps like Twitter is TWiT

17:55

results. Just one example.

17:58

Sixteen year old app suddenly

18:01

discontinued It's just it's just sad.

18:03

It's sad. Right? TWiT, it's

18:05

sad. I mean and I guess I

18:07

guess if you're a developer and the thing

18:09

you develop is a service

18:11

around another service, like, you you

18:13

are taking a risk as a developer when

18:15

you do that. Mhmm. There is no guarantee

18:17

that in perpetuity business

18:19

is going to be able to

18:21

survive because the business that is built on top

18:24

of might do exactly

18:25

this. So that TWiT

18:28

This reminds me of the great Facebook game purge.

18:30

You remember that? Yeah. Totally. These Facebook games

18:32

and one day Facebook. She's like, nope. You

18:34

know, and so, when you build a business

18:37

based on someone else's platform, you run the

18:39

risk of having them turn it

18:41

off. And that's exactly what's happened here. That's

18:43

a bummer. And because we never thought it would happen

18:45

to Twitter because Twitter was so the

18:47

people and blah blah

18:48

blah. Now it's all over. So Yeah.

18:50

It's definitely blah blah. And it's so crazy

18:52

to me. It feels like an like, I'm just

18:54

an engineer. I'm not a business analyst.

18:57

I'm not a product person. I'm not a

18:59

strategist. But I feel like social

19:01

media and things that are

19:03

networking kind of thrive off integrations

19:05

and being able to hook into things that people

19:07

actually use or things that people like to use or

19:09

prefer to use either way they're

19:11

still using Twitter. So

19:14

III understand that if

19:16

someone's, like, And I think the wording was,

19:18

like, it hasn't has been. If you're

19:20

replicating the core, like, business functionality, that's

19:22

a no go. But I don't know.

19:24

I I think there was lot of good points to be made about how

19:26

and this happens a lot in, especially, app

19:28

development, more third party clients or

19:31

you know, other folks that utilize your APIs come up with functionality

19:33

that you didn't think of before,

19:35

and then you get to, you know, kind

19:37

of subsume that consume that

19:40

or take that in or I mean,

19:42

even from just, like, a like, an

19:44

idea generation machine, like, third

19:46

party clients can be really valuable.

19:48

I don't and and, like, Twitter has

19:50

other monetization things again. I'm not an

19:52

expert. I hate this. Basically, TLDR,

19:54

I hate this a lot. So

19:57

good luck Twitter. But yeah.

19:59

I mean, it it's it's just a bummer.

20:01

And are he thinking about a

20:03

friend of mine, Joaquin Verdes, he did Falcon Pro back in

20:05

the day in Twitter, and he ended up going to work

20:07

at Twitter. Yeah. And and and, like, a lot

20:09

of these other, like, things that part

20:11

of Twitter culture came from third party clients.

20:14

So anyway, ear loss

20:16

TWiT. My bad. Just angry deaf.

20:19

Yeah. Phoenix. No long

20:21

earls pull the developers

20:23

pulled that from the play

20:24

store. I mean, Quinn makes a great point

20:27

that a long standing recruitment

20:30

tool for companies like Twitter having

20:32

people who third party developers who are doing

20:33

that. Now you're just basically closing that all off,

20:36

you know. So it's just it's just it's just a

20:38

huge bummer. Does. Yep.

20:40

Here's yeah. It's just like

20:43

so, like, as a as a company, they

20:45

have the right to do this the way it

20:47

was done was just really gross and icky.

20:50

What were you saying?

20:52

What

20:52

Twitter clients did y'all use?

20:56

Well, one hundred percent. I only used

20:58

Allan for years. I've

21:00

I've used a lot of third party Yeah.

21:02

Twitter clients. But I will say, in

21:04

the past, probably three

21:05

years, it's been the the first

21:07

party. It's it's been the Twitter created app. At

21:09

a certain point, I

21:11

I just can't switch No. I I stuck with

21:14

talent up until the bidder in talent

21:16

was my writer died. I love that app.

21:18

And the the the the native Twitter app

21:20

just drives me a little

21:22

baddie. Like, I it just I

21:24

I what was great about talent is it kept the

21:25

timeline, and there was no algorithm. Right.

21:28

Oh my goodness. Sorry. Anyway,

21:31

yes. That's so unique.

21:33

That's

21:33

really unique. It's not disturbing

21:35

the user experience. That's such a great idea. Yeah.

21:37

Not, like, disrupting someone's like reading

21:39

flow. Okay, sir? Yeah. Stopping you. Oh, okay.

21:42

Well, we've got one last big piece of news

21:44

before we hit our brake.

21:46

And then head into hardware. Google, like many other tech

21:49

companies, is cutting

21:51

614 workforce, twelve thousand

21:54

jobs, slashed. The largest

21:56

layoff according to Ronald Amadio at

21:58

Arch Technica in the company's

22:00

history, twelve thousand jobs, which is

22:04

mean, that's a lot of people. I don't

22:06

know how many how many people are

22:08

employed by Alphabet in

22:10

in sum or in total, but

22:12

I imagine this is a small percentage of it, but still twelve

22:14

thousand jobs is in is a lot. Many

22:16

of those jobs coming from or at

22:18

least a large percentage coming

22:21

from area one

22:23

twenty, which we've talked about on the show many

22:25

times, that's their kind of

22:27

like experimental incubator where they play around

22:29

with new app ideas and

22:31

and, you know, lots lots of weird

22:33

funky things. In fact, I think JR

22:36

had jerryfield had a

22:39

tip or two in the last

22:41

couple of months from the

22:43

area one twenty incubator

22:45

project. So staff tables, thread byte

22:48

checks, bunch of apps that, you know, some of them

22:50

you you may not have ever heard of, so

22:52

no surprise that they're kind of

22:54

canceling out a lot of those projects. Some of them

22:56

that you heard. I know we've talked about Stack

22:58

on this show from time to

23:00

time. Also, Fuchsia

23:02

OS team, got hit

23:04

losing sixteen percent of its

23:06

team. Fusi has always been this

23:08

kinda, like, question mark thing year after

23:10

year after year. We're like, Wait

23:12

a minute. Why did Google create this again? Was

23:14

it to replace handwriting that that may have

23:16

been in the beginning kind of the

23:18

the discussion? But we're that's

23:20

obviously not what their plan is or

23:22

at least it hasn't come to fruition

23:24

yet. They're starting to implement and

23:26

integrate the less into some of their

23:28

products that they're shipping and everything, but it's

23:30

still very kind of curious as far as what

23:32

that actually is. So what does a sixteen

23:34

percent hit actually mean

23:36

for future? Time will

23:37

tell. Yeah.

23:40

Did you I heard

23:42

one thing, and I'll share it, Burke. It's in

23:44

the through to our chat and Slack

23:46

It TWiT was

23:49

basically at least in Google, New

23:51

York City, people were finding

23:53

out based on whether or not their keycard worked

23:55

or not. Oh. That morning. So

23:57

the e the emails

24:00

went out at seven the emails went out at seven AM and but

24:02

if you didn't check your work email till you got to the

24:04

office Oh my

24:04

goodness. If you you did it it TWiT green

24:07

or flash red. Like, that was, like, a real thing

24:09

that was happening. So

24:10

That's that's not that's

24:12

a bummer. Yeah. So

24:13

that is a bummer. Yep.

24:16

But it

24:16

would but, you know, III reached out to

24:18

I have some friends at Google and that sort of thing. And, like, it

24:20

did the like, like, at, like, eleven AM,

24:23

like, Are you okay just to see if there's a bounce back and

24:25

and, luckily, folks that, you know, YouTube wasn't impacted

24:27

as a folks. I know YouTube, some of that seemed to

24:29

be okay, but I mean, a layoff

24:31

is never never easy. It's never

24:34

fun. A layoff of this size is just

24:36

demoralizing. It's just and, like, what's

24:38

interesting also is I saw another article

24:40

that was talking about the the reaction

24:43

of Googlers inside where there was a lot of,

24:45

you know, like, internal conversation

24:47

and, like, you know, and check their

24:50

chat you know, things and things like that. And

24:52

people were like, well, what what was the

24:54

decision factor? What who decided who who went

24:56

and who got? Like, googlers

24:58

are asking for answers and, like,

25:00

calling out Sundar and calling out the other senior

25:02

management who were, like, saying this is never

25:04

hard and they were, like, wanted, you

25:07

know, like, some, you know, some

25:09

conversation about, you know, who got laid off and

25:11

why and what the what the business justifications

25:13

were, whether or not they were provided those

25:15

doubt it because the legalities of

25:15

it, but -- Yeah. -- that that conversation was indeed

25:18

happening. So Yeah.

25:22

Well, That's disappointing. And I'm sorry to

25:24

anyone impacted by these

25:26

layouts. I mean, that's just a

25:28

bummer. Yeah. And

25:30

it's it's widespread right

25:32

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25:34

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25:36

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28:56

hardware, but we've got more

28:58

cool hardware. Right now in a in a

29:00

segment we like to call hardware.

29:08

We lovingly refer to as

29:11

hardware. I

29:11

was gonna try to speed over you, Jason, and

29:13

go right into the first hardware.

29:16

Holding back. Remember, but I yeah. But III

29:18

didn't try hard. Maybe it's a new format.

29:20

Maybe the top story of every

29:22

block is is discussed

29:24

before the

29:25

bumper. And then the pumper and then the

29:27

last two stories.

29:28

So So

29:31

me first in the block every year.

29:35

So some interesting interesting

29:37

rumors or or kind of stuff

29:39

coming to light and the fact that Google apparently

29:41

is working hard on a tracker device

29:44

code name, and I questioned the

29:46

legality of this, but code named Groku. According

29:49

to Lika Koopa Wojtuskowski

29:51

TWiT Twitter, Grogro. Grogro which, if

29:54

you know, Grogro. Living under Rock or Not is

29:56

the name of the

29:58

young Yoda esque child

30:00

on the Mandalorian, on Disney plus. But

30:02

yeah. But so this this tracker

30:05

device would be a competitor to

30:07

app air tags and trackers, and it's

30:09

possibly coming in assorted colors with

30:11

an onboard speaker. It

30:13

could support Bluetooth LE and

30:16

UWB, both the Pixel six pro and

30:18

Pixel seven pro support 614. And

30:20

it could be released this fall when

30:22

that they do their consumer

30:25

hardware releases Who knows we'll see?

30:27

Mhmm. I do find it interesting though because I

30:29

feel like the only time I ever

30:31

see Apple AirTags talked about

30:33

the news. It's in the context of someone's baggage

30:35

being stolen or someone

30:37

stocking someone or, like,

30:39

some negative capacity.

30:42

And I I get

30:44

why they Google would wanna do

30:46

this because if Apple's doing a keep up the

30:48

Joneses and tile's been around forever. Like,

30:50

then tile sponsors the show years ago or

30:52

was that another one? Oh, that's a good yeah.

30:55

Years and years ago, we had a sponsor of the show that was

30:57

one of these characters. It wasn't it

30:59

wasn't tile. Ma'am.

31:01

Who was Because we got I have them in

31:03

in my office, actually. Those are

31:05

the ones that The ones that yes.

31:07

The personalized was a tracker

31:10

tracker. Tracker.

31:10

That's what it was. Tracker without the e chat. It's TRACKR

31:14

tracker.

31:14

So so, like like and I think

31:17

tile got by life three

31:19

sixty, I believe, if if

31:21

memory serves. But yeah. But so this is an

31:23

established -- Yes. -- market based

31:25

of, like, little little dongles that allow you track your stuff,

31:27

and so Google will just get into it and then just,

31:29

you know, another piece of the

31:31

consumer ecosystem. But yeah. But

31:33

I I do feel like the only time I hear about this is it's

31:35

like in some weird negative capacity.

31:38

So Yeah. What what kind

31:39

of negative things does it does

31:42

it empower Michelle, what she

31:44

got? So I think

31:46

what's interesting, what's more interesting about the

31:48

story is not the Google Tracker

31:50

itself. Because they're already trackers on the market. Right? What's

31:52

more interesting is that Google is working

31:54

on integrating locator tags

31:57

slash tracker support into fast pair.

32:00

And so fast pairs, as you all know, is what we

32:02

just talked about. It's a

32:04

service that's part of Google Play Services.

32:07

If you don't know, Google Play Services is available on

32:09

the three billion plus Android devices that

32:11

we talked about earlier in the show.

32:14

So that's the more

32:16

significant aspect of this news. The fact that

32:18

Google is not only working on their

32:20

own tile competitor, but

32:22

they're also working on tracker

32:24

support. Within FastPare and

32:26

that could enable a network of

32:28

three billion Android devices to

32:32

track. You know, the location of other Android

32:34

devices or accessories or, you

32:36

know, whatever. Because the problem one of

32:38

the big problems that Kyle has is that they don't

32:40

have the network that Apple does. Nobody

32:43

does. Only Google could do that with

32:45

its, you know, Google Play Services

32:47

network. And we're waiting on them

32:49

to unveil

32:50

And so when that happens, finally, we'll have something

32:52

that's on the level of apples find my

32:55

network. Well, I feel this isn't the first

32:57

time that we've heard about the

32:59

tracker in tracking or tracker

33:02

device or whatever you wanna call it,

33:04

implementation into Android. Did you write

33:06

about this, Michelle? Like, if

33:08

you wanna

33:08

say, like, a few months ago I

33:11

wrote about it. I think it's over a year

33:13

ago now. Yeah. Yeah. It was it was a on this

33:15

for a while. They've been working on

33:17

creating a Find My Device Network or

33:19

it might be called the finder network. So

33:21

that's I think they're gonna start with

33:24

Android phones. Supporting based on what I've seen

33:26

in Google Play Services, and then they're gonna

33:28

expand support for fast pair

33:30

accessories like these tile

33:32

trackers. So you have these

33:34

devices that would ping each other,

33:36

and then they'd store their last known

33:38

location. And then, you know, if

33:40

you spot stolen

33:42

device or lost device nearby, then you could probably track that. And

33:44

then later on, you'd add

33:46

support for Bluetooth trackers that

33:49

work with FastPare, and then you'd have these trackers that

33:51

also tap into that network. And so none

33:53

of this has been released yet.

33:55

Like, we're still we have

33:57

no idea how far away we are. Like,

34:00

it could be this IO. It could even be

34:02

next IO. Like, who knows? We've been waiting

34:05

so long. And there's no real clear

34:07

indication that this is definitely coming like

34:09

this year. Right. It's probably

34:11

coming this year. Who knows? Koopa.

34:13

Yeah. Koopa is is pointing to

34:15

a theoretical release potentially

34:17

of, you know,

34:20

the hardware hardware

34:22

event either

34:22

on this year. I'll tell you who knows. They don't

34:24

act they're not actually aware of

34:27

that. I'm pretty sure

34:30

they're they're just guessing, like, I

34:30

am. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what I mean. Like, it's it's

34:33

kinda like, good could happen at the hardware

34:35

event. A lot of things could

34:37

happen at the hardware event. We could see it foldable, but

34:39

we could also not see it foldable.

34:41

You know, I guess, what just all remains

34:43

to be seen with with

34:45

things like this. All I know is that I love, like,

34:47

when I hear fast pair, like, more things

34:50

tapping in the fast pair, that puts a

34:52

little smile on my face

34:54

because my my experience

34:56

with FastPare is very positive in

34:58

the in the, you know, a few times that

35:00

I've had that, you know, had

35:02

a pair of earbuds, and I

35:04

wanna you know, I open up the thing and, boop,

35:07

I get that little graphic, I get that

35:09

little toast message that says, hey,

35:11

you know, these these

35:13

these earbuds are can pair

35:14

easily. Just tap here and you do it and boom. It all

35:16

has to happen. This is the first time you

35:18

use the first time you use FastPare, it it like,

35:21

to your point, it is magic and

35:23

it like, it feels so, like it's like, how did we

35:25

ever live without this? Yeah. Because it was so painful before, and

35:27

now it's not. Exactly. Exactly.

35:29

Yep. Yep. So Yeah.

35:33

I love seeing that this would you know, kind of part

35:35

of that. Hopefully, that means that the

35:37

tracker experience would

35:40

be as good, you

35:42

know, on on the same level of

35:44

enjoyable experience as just

35:46

the simple act of pairing some

35:49

earbuds to a phone. At the same

35:51

time, you bring up a good point, Ron, which is there are

35:53

a lot of not

35:56

so not so great

35:58

uses for things like

36:00

trackers that but,

36:02

I mean, I guess, these things are nothing new. They've

36:04

been around for a long time. It's just now

36:06

those networks are hyper powered. You know,

36:08

the problem with, like, Tracker, the

36:10

the the product that, you know, sponsored

36:13

on this network many

36:16

years ago was that the network was very small? Like,

36:18

yes, if another tracker

36:20

user came, you know, close to

36:22

the tracker that that

36:24

you lost, it would

36:26

register with the app. But how

36:28

many tracker users are there? You'd be

36:30

really lucky that if one actually

36:32

happened across yours, when you're

36:34

talking about you know, all

36:36

Android devices and a, you know

36:38

and this is the same way with Apple's

36:40

iPhones and and Airtags.

36:43

Right? You just got this massive network that

36:45

now taps into it, which super

36:47

charges it, makes it super powerful,

36:49

but also kind of

36:51

increases the nefariousness. The potential of something like

36:53

that as

36:54

well. So Yep. So just

36:56

like the fall dark night.

37:00

Yeah. Yeah. The dark night yeah. That that was that that was, like, the

37:02

the nightmare realized. But then

37:04

just to follow-up on the where are they

37:06

now with the former sponsor of the show

37:10

tracker, looked it up on Wikipedia. And in fact, in twenty

37:12

eighteen, they rebranded themselves as a Darrow,

37:15

and and they

37:17

changed their focus other uses for tracking technology, like taking

37:19

tracker beyond bluetooth fobs that have been the core of

37:21

the service. And they shut down this they

37:24

shut down the

37:26

tracker service and removed apps in August twenty twenty one. And

37:28

currently, the Adero website, Adero dot

37:30

com is rent is giving back A404.

37:32

So looks like they did

37:35

not

37:35

make it. Oh, poor one out for Tracker. Yeah.

37:37

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.

37:40

Well, if we wanna talk about something

37:42

that Koopa

37:44

leads that has less ethical slash

37:46

criminal implications or bad press.

37:48

Okay. But and in fact, actually

37:51

has a lot of press especially

37:53

on this show and this shows lovely listeners and

37:56

viewers. Koopa also posted pics of the

37:58

next tick

38:00

watch. So there has been

38:02

much, much, much, much, much love for

38:04

my voice take watches, I believe, Michelle, you

38:06

have a you you rock a you rock a take

38:08

watch. Right?

38:10

He's got lots of secrets. There it is.

38:12

There it is. Yes. And we've

38:14

gotten tons of love, you know, through your feedback

38:17

about the Mavoy took watches as a very affordable

38:19

and very effective, you know,

38:22

alternative to the watch, the smartwatch

38:24

landscape. So Mavoy did

38:27

kind of set out a little teaser for, like,

38:29

their next watch, which has like,

38:31

really kinda sexy, you

38:34

know, textured like, face

38:36

cam. But Kuga has a

38:38

few more interesting details that we can go

38:40

ahead and kind of ponder on

38:42

for a little bit for the next TicWatch, which would be

38:44

the tick watch Pro five, by

38:46

the way. And then well, the the Techwatch five and

38:48

the Techwatch Pro five.

38:50

So presumably, this would be one of the

38:52

first wearables ship with the Snapdragon five

38:54

plus and with where OS

38:56

three and thanks to the Snapdragon

38:58

w five plus

39:00

it would probably have about

39:02

fifty percent longer battery life as that is

39:04

one of the benefits of this

39:06

newer chipset. What's something that's kind

39:08

of interesting is that in terms of, like, user,

39:10

I guess, user experience more or

39:11

less, is that the tick watch

39:14

five pro

39:15

or sorry, the tick watch Sorry.

39:17

Take watch pro sorry. I'm reversing the numbers. Mhmm. And the

39:19

and the words. Take watch pro five

39:21

will have one crown

39:24

as opposed to the previous design that took watch part three, which has

39:26

two of them. And,

39:28

yeah, I mean, I I've

39:31

definitely kind of really thought about the tick

39:34

watch given all, like, the

39:36

really, like, satisfied tick watch users on

39:38

the show and that listens to the

39:40

show. So I guess we'll have to see what the final profile

39:42

looks at. I don't know, Prashanth, are you gonna are

39:44

you excited for for what's

39:46

coming from the tick

39:48

wash

39:48

line? Can they pick you up a

39:50

five? I'm hoping they

39:52

keep the dual display that

39:54

was, you know, featured in the previous

39:56

TicWatch watch pros. That, like, let's extends

39:59

the battery life significantly because, you know, you

40:01

have a much lower power display that

40:03

your watch enters whenever

40:05

you're not actively looking at it TWiT you're

40:07

flipping it around. And, yeah, if they keep that,

40:09

I'm definitely gonna get a pro

40:11

five. And maybe if

40:14

they also commit to a better software update schedule? That

40:16

was gonna be

40:16

my my question to you, Michelle. Because when

40:19

I was putting this together, I

40:21

was kind of you know, reading some of the articles, and then I

40:23

always like to go into the comments even though you never know what

40:25

you're gonna get in the comments. But a

40:28

lot of

40:30

feedback from people that were responding to

40:32

this news or this information,

40:34

a lot of people have

40:37

some pretty harsh words to say about

40:39

the software update cycle

40:42

saying the watches

40:44

are amazing. The hardware's amazing. There's so so much great

40:46

about this watch if they could

40:48

only do

40:50

software updates the way they

40:52

should. And so explain your

40:54

your viewpoint on that. Does that I

40:56

mean, how does that hinder the watch

40:58

in your eyes? Because I imagine

41:00

you value getting software updates. Right.

41:02

Well,

41:02

I mean, like, if I check the update status on

41:04

my watch right now, it says up to date even

41:06

though it's running the October first.

41:10

Twenty twenty one. That tells you

41:12

how bad it is. But, I mean, it's a watch, so

41:14

I don't really mind as much. Right. Yeah.

41:16

But still yeah. Like,

41:18

And but that's that's only that's one problem. The second problem is the

41:20

the promises they already made was

41:23

that they promised

41:26

that the their watches

41:28

with the Snapdragon wear forty one hundred would

41:30

get where it was three update. Mhmm. And

41:32

that still hasn't been delivered yet. So

41:34

you could see other manufacturers like Fossil

41:36

they have delivered Wear compatible smartwatches, but

41:39

we're still waiting on, like, when's the

41:41

update coming to the

41:44

tick TicWatch? Yeah.

41:46

The Wear OS waiting game continues.

41:48

I think I saw a

41:50

headline headline on mail. And

41:53

Android Central from Derek Lee. I'm wary of this

41:55

Wear OS. Wow.

41:58

Nice. We've

42:00

just been waiting too

42:02

long. Oh, dear.

42:06

Anyways, sorry

42:08

about that. And

42:10

finally, Google's Stadia.

42:12

Yes. It's done as

42:15

of January eighteenth, so end

42:17

of last week. I don't think this was in the

42:19

show last week.

42:22

But I think it's important

42:25

to note after, yeah, we can listen to a

42:27

little bit of this while I talk. It's it's fine.

42:29

It's it's a playbook Stadia.

42:32

Goodbye. However, if you had stadia and you got one

42:34

of those fancy controllers, you would

42:36

know that it's a pretty darn

42:39

NICE controller. And it was

42:42

more or less it was really locked to

42:44

Stadia a few different

42:46

reasons. Well, now Google has

42:49

given people who own these controllers

42:51

what they have been asking for ever since they found

42:53

out that Stadia was going

42:55

under, open up Bluetooth capability so that this controller

42:57

can be used in any other, you

43:00

know, Bluetooth

43:02

controller faculty. So on

43:04

a computer, on a smartphone, or

43:06

whatever, Google finally, along

43:09

with the announcement that Stadia

43:11

has done for good, Said, okay. Here's the

43:13

site. This will open up your controller. This

43:15

will allow you to use that controller

43:17

in Bluetooth

43:19

mode. For anything else that you wanna use it for. So

43:22

Happy Netherlands of them. Yeah.

43:27

Hey, it's better it's better than, you

43:29

know, a great controller

43:32

that ends up in a landfill

43:34

or displayed on a, you know,

43:37

on a display because it's

43:39

rare. I don't know I don't know what

43:41

the alternative is. But So

43:44

if you got one of those controllers, you can open it up and continue

43:46

using it

43:47

again. And you probably want to. It's

43:49

a pretty nice controller. That

43:51

was one of the things I'd state here was that the hardware was nice. It was

43:53

a good control of it. Yeah.

43:56

Absolutely. Alright.

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all about android. Alright.

46:38

We've got some app news for you coming

46:40

at you right now. Go,

46:45

I think. Yeah. Okay. And

46:48

take

46:49

enjoy all of these outdated

46:51

icons in our apps bumper. It's my

46:53

favorite

46:53

thing about the

46:54

apps. It's my favorite that. There's a trip down memory

46:56

lane every time we do it. It's not outdated.

46:58

It's just nostalgia. It's just

47:00

remembering when, you know, five

47:03

six, maybe seven years ago.

47:05

Oh, man. Vlogger was it was

47:07

it active. When when

47:10

have I ons, you said have a bit of

47:12

uniqueness to them. Yeah. And now they're all the same. Yeah. Now they're all exactly

47:15

the same. Exactly.

47:17

So anytime, any convos

47:20

going on about Google messages, I'm

47:22

there, and Michelle, I couldn't help but

47:24

notice that you tweeted out. That

47:27

Google messages is starting to roll out support for having up to

47:29

a hundred members 614 end to end

47:31

encrypted group

47:31

chat. What's

47:34

skinny here. What's going on with encryption? And then encryption on Google

47:36

messages? It's

47:37

pretty much exactly what you just You can

47:40

now have,

47:42

honey. Some users in the beta program of the

47:44

Google Messenger app are noticing that they can

47:46

add up to a hundred members.

47:49

In end to end encrypted group chat. So

47:52

the previous limit was twenty

47:54

one. Google confirmed to

47:56

nine to five Google that that

47:58

twenty one member limit was intentional when

48:00

the, you know, group end end

48:03

group chat first rolled out to

48:05

users on the beta program like,

48:08

last month, early last month.

48:10

And now some users are noticing

48:12

that that limit has quietly been raised

48:14

to a hundred users. It hasn't been formally

48:16

announced. Like, Google hasn't formally said, hey, we

48:18

raise a limit to a hundred, but some

48:20

users are noticing that, yeah, you can now

48:22

do this. That

48:24

says horrifying a hundred people in a group

48:28

chat. Not all chat is pretty

48:30

common in, like, Yeah. Yeah. If if you wanna make it a proper

48:32

telegram single, I know. Yeah. What's

48:34

that competitor? Yeah. You gotta have

48:36

bigger group

48:38

chats. Yeah.

48:39

For sure. For sure. just just nice to see that

48:41

that encryption is there at that

48:43

scale, that size. So

48:46

Yeah. That does require everyone to be using Google messages.

48:48

Is that right? Of course. Yeah.

48:50

Yeah. Yeah. So Yep. And

48:54

little chat thing turned

48:56

on. Yep. Also,

48:59

Michelle, on the appbeat. The clock app,

49:01

I guess customization is coming to the

49:04

clock app. I never knew that I

49:06

that I wanted to record my

49:08

own alarm.

49:10

Which actually I mean, isn't it hasn't it been possible? I guess

49:13

you could just, TWiT, you can't drop a

49:15

file in a ringtone. Yeah. It's

49:17

just a ringtone. It on

49:19

ringtone. Oh, okay. All this added like,

49:22

I I don't know why it got so much

49:23

press. All they added

49:24

was a button that opens the Google recorder

49:26

app to let you record an audio

49:29

file and then it's imported

49:31

into the clock app. So it's like a

49:33

sync. It just saves you it

49:35

saves you, like, two steps,

49:38

maybe. It's something you can already

49:40

do. Yeah. Like,

49:40

it just opens an alarm or a a

49:42

sampler is what it is now. And when I think of it

49:44

that way, now I think it's kinda cool. So

49:46

-- Yeah. -- so I don't have to do all the nerdy stuff behind the scenes and,

49:48

you know, bring it import a a ringtone

49:51

and save it to my It's

49:53

exactly the same except in this way it's like using your

49:56

microphone to record the door

49:57

closing. I wanna wake up to the sound

50:00

of my door closing. I mean,

50:02

is that awesome Android mic to record it. Yes. That's the only

50:04

definition

50:04

of Android mic. The only

50:06

caveat

50:06

of this is that, for some reason,

50:10

it's exclusive to Pixel phones because, like, they

50:12

hard coded it to

50:14

explicitly launch the Google recorder app, and the

50:16

Google recorder app is

50:18

only available officially on

50:20

Pixel devices. I don't

50:22

know if that's actually changed with the most recent

50:24

Google clock. Seven point four

50:26

update that's also rolling out, which

50:28

I guess talk about now. So -- Mhmm. -- Enterprise

50:30

reported that Google clock seven point

50:32

four changes the way the,

50:34

you know, the snus and

50:36

the dismiss when

50:38

you are going to, you know, dismiss

50:40

or action on an alarm.

50:43

So normally, before the

50:45

seven point four update, when you

50:47

go to snooze when you go to snooze or dismiss alarm, you have, like, a little

50:49

slider. You gotta, like, put your finger on the middle

50:51

and then slide left

50:54

or right. Now in Google clock on point four,

50:56

those actions are now

50:58

buttons. But for some reason, this is actually tied

51:00

to whether or not you have any accessibility

51:02

services enabled.

51:04

So if you have

51:06

an accessibility service enabled, then I

51:10

believe you

51:12

have the slider interface. And if you turn them off, then you have the

51:14

buttons. Or it's the other way around. I might

51:16

have just gotten confused. But check out that

51:19

Android Police article. They they cover

51:22

how to fix the change if you find that

51:24

annoying afternoon.

51:25

Okay. I don't really use the

51:27

Google clock for my alarm clock. I use

51:30

sleep as

51:32

For whatever reason. I don't know why he's a

51:34

Google clock. I I don't I don't send an

51:36

alarm anymore. My my child runs

51:38

in a way me up every morning, but use it

51:41

for timers and things like that. I I

51:43

think it's a very handy little app. Yeah. I use

51:44

it for timers. I just don't use it

51:47

as my alarm clock. Yeah. Sleep is

51:49

Android, which by the way, since we're

51:51

on this alarm

51:54

clock tangent,

51:56

And I have tried activating the

51:59

snor detection. Did I already talk about this on

52:01

the

52:01

show? The Yes. We already talked

52:03

about snor detection. Store

52:05

detection and and it's the most horrifying aspect of my phone and

52:07

I hate it. But -- Yeah. -- but your what's for your

52:09

experience been? I just I'm I'm

52:12

amazed I store a lot.

52:14

I said, I

52:15

don't didn't feel I don't I don't believe

52:17

TWiT, to be honest. I mean, we had some listener

52:19

feedback that was very weird.

52:20

That's right. That's that's right. We did

52:22

we did talk about this. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I

52:25

was I was a week away, and I and I

52:27

had a brain fart that we actually do expect. We

52:29

we should come back to talk

52:30

about it, though, if if we all are having

52:33

either us or our spouse continue to have a story story

52:35

issues, which continue to talk about it. What

52:36

what I find is that what I find interesting is

52:39

that is that is it detecting

52:41

near because we're both in the same room. Yeah. Like, it's, you know,

52:43

like, that sort of thing. And secondarily, like, I mean,

52:46

we've been together Jesus

52:48

now. What we're it's seven,

52:50

donuts, seven, donuts, eight years, whatever,

52:52

like, she's never complained about me storing. I've

52:54

never complained about her storing, someone

52:56

storing. Right? So It's just

52:58

according to this thing, but, like, I don't think like,

53:00

does everyone snored to a certain

53:02

degree I don't know. That's a whole can

53:04

do a whole podcast of snoring. All that snoring. Yeah. My my

53:07

wife definitely does not snore to any degree. I know

53:09

that I snore because sometimes I wake

53:11

up and, like, my throat

53:13

is kinda sore from snoring. Like, snore

53:16

snore throat. I don't know. That snore throat.

53:20

And and my daughter when she my nine year old daughter, she

53:22

actually snores sometimes too. So I'm so

53:25

sometimes I look at the data and I'm like,

53:27

that's not me. That's her. Blame

53:30

my daughter in the

53:32

story. Well, you know what else if we can put this

53:34

news hit this news button for?

53:36

Is Google Podcasts. And not because it needs

53:39

some more

53:39

sleep, but because in

53:41

the near future,

53:44

Burke might be might might have to be warming up that tabs

53:46

button. Again, not yet. Not yet. Not

53:48

yet. Not yet. Yeah. Take

53:50

the finger off the button, Burke.

53:53

Okay. Take it

53:53

off. And and Corey

53:56

Acton over at Kilburg as a website. Don't

53:58

don't don't don't don't warm up that

54:00

post just yet, but not looking great for

54:03

Google Podcasts. So Google Podcasts

54:05

was doing real good in twenty twenty

54:07

and, you know, had a lot of work

54:09

on it, a work done to work work done

54:11

with it, resign mobile app, you know, that

54:13

whole experience where you could, like, listen to a podcast

54:15

on your desktop, and then seamlessly move

54:18

to your phone and

54:20

then, you know, with Google Assistant, all

54:22

that stuff. But, you

54:24

know, since then, not a lot.

54:27

Has gone on with it. In fact, I think it's been

54:29

let's say, I looked this up. It was it's

54:31

been since August twenty twenty

54:34

two that

54:36

this wonderful fully featured four point six star on the Play Store app has an

54:38

update. Jeez. And yeah.

54:40

It's it's been a while. It's

54:43

a long time. And

54:46

pod news also reports that

54:48

podcasts no longer appear in search

54:50

results. So if you do, like, a Google

54:52

search for you know, some

54:54

podcasts before, you know,

54:56

Google using their googly magic

54:58

would have highlighted podcast

55:00

episode results with, you know, very specific

55:02

format 614 well as a play button which

55:05

would directly launch Google Podcasts.

55:07

Well, that is no more. They've reverted

55:09

to just plain old search results.

55:12

And, you know, Google Sciences was

55:14

intentional with a very googly

55:16

message of quote, we're constantly experimenting with

55:18

ways to improve the experience for our

55:20

users, which, I don't know,

55:22

might include just, you

55:24

know, shunting podcast functionality over

55:26

to YouTube because as some folks might recall in late twenty twenty

55:27

one, there was some news

55:30

that YouTube didn't wanna

55:32

just take over the

55:32

music game. They wanted

55:33

to take over the podcast. Game

55:36

too. So Related? Mhmm. And,

55:38

I mean, if if it is

55:40

related, which it could be, like, Google

55:42

Play Music, YouTube Music, like, all

55:44

the stuff that we went through. I

55:46

mean, YouTube is definitely making a play for audio, you know, in terms of

55:49

seeing, you know, the opportunity they are

55:51

acknowledging that people listen podcast

55:53

and listen to, like, ambient music and noise and stuff like

55:55

that on YouTube all the time.

55:58

But I I just you know, like, the

56:00

stuff they're doing to support pot like, go to youtube

56:02

dot com slash podcast, then it's just

56:04

like a collection of Joe Hogan. It's just like it's it's it's it's weird. It's it's not

56:06

done in a way that that

56:08

is true to what podcasts are

56:11

and this is immensely frustrating. And this is just sad. This is sad. I just

56:14

didn't even know that YouTube dot com slash

56:16

podcast was was a thing.

56:18

Yep. That's their that's their hub for just like

56:20

youtube dot com slash

56:22

live. Right? YouTube dot com slash podcast is

56:24

where they're, you know, they're

56:26

collecting all the podcasts all all there.

56:28

And it's all like I mean, you know, I

56:30

don't know. It's just it's it's just video it's just video

56:32

podcast, like like this show. I mean, like, with you. Honestly,

56:34

should be on here to be honest. I was gonna say that

56:36

you really don't show up on this page.

56:39

Yeah. Yeah.

56:40

But it's a lot of it's a lot

56:42

of movies and games and finance and all

56:44

this sort of stuff. But, like, you know,

56:46

but we do. Yeah. Oh, dude.

56:47

Nice. Well, ask the tech guys is up

56:50

there. Oh. You're

56:52

I mean We told you to take your finger off

56:54

the

56:55

button, Burke. Stop.

56:56

Not yet. Put your finger back on the button. It's just not

56:58

time yet. Okay? Let's not make this

57:00

happen. Although I don't use Google

57:02

Podcasts, so there's that. True.

57:05

That'd be good. That's why.

57:07

That's why you don't use it. I use it.

57:09

Is it weird that you too? I

57:12

don't Sorry. Hold on. Go you go. No. No. Go.

57:14

But I just

57:14

Is it kind of funny that I mean, YouTube, the video

57:16

platform, is doing just fine. We're not

57:18

gonna be hitting a button for

57:21

that Lord does that. But

57:23

is it funny that so much of this,

57:25

like like, you know, other content

57:28

that eventually end does end up

57:30

needing tabs and does end up being unfilled

57:32

by Google? Starts to kind of

57:34

migrate over to YouTube. It's like it's like it's like it's kind of

57:36

movie in Bruj or something. It's like YouTube

57:39

is in Bruj and

57:41

then all these, like, know, little, like, Google apps and Google

57:44

functional, just go there to kinda meander for a little

57:46

bit before they end up on killed by Google

57:48

and then Bert hits the button for

57:48

them. I don't know. It's just weird. I don't know

57:51

why YouTube has be everything. Honestly,

57:52

I mean, it makes sense. I feel like it shows

57:54

on us from the beginning instead of Google

57:56

Podcast being an independent thing, like,

57:59

how think about, like like, how does actually

58:01

how does Google make money from

58:03

Google Podcasts? Like, it being on YouTube, I

58:05

can understand because they already have this, like,

58:07

This ad that only successful ad business and YouTube

58:09

Premium, they're trying to sell you. Fair. Like, what

58:12

do they get out of Google Podcasts?

58:14

Like, I don't actually

58:16

see anything. For Google. It's a it's a good question.

58:18

Yeah. Fair question.

58:20

I I was always really kind of

58:24

found the because you remember the

58:26

the big podcast news. And actually, I think

58:28

we we had someone on

58:30

from Google To talk about

58:32

it, didn't we about the the podcast

58:34

effort at some point? Maybe my memory

58:36

is is incorrect these

58:38

days. I wouldn't be

58:40

surprised, but about the kind of integration with

58:42

search and the potential

58:44

of making every recorded

58:48

podcast like searchable top to bottom. Yep. Right? Like, Google has

58:50

this great ability to

58:52

and has for very long to transcribe

58:56

audio pretty effortlessly

58:58

at this point. And

59:00

so to make podcasts

59:03

fully searchable, and then

59:05

Google as a search product

59:08

is incredibly, you know,

59:10

supercharged by all of this content that

59:12

once was just you know, you

59:14

only heard it if you knew about it. And

59:16

now it's fully accessible to

59:18

everyone through a simple search.

59:20

And I just don't

59:22

feel like it delivered on I don't know if that was

59:24

necessarily a promise, but that was the idea that I

59:26

had based on news that they were

59:28

talking about

59:30

what three years ago as far as what Google Podcasts could

59:32

be. And, yeah, it's just kind

59:34

of a bummer if they give up on that because

59:36

I thought that was really powerful. Although,

59:39

now that I'm talking about this, I'm also realizing,

59:42

like, you know, there was a story that was gonna be

59:44

early on in the run down,

59:46

but we didn't have time for it in the

59:48

top news. About Google

59:50

being really nervous about

59:53

their competition with artificial

59:55

intelligence apps like JDGPT. And

59:58

so maybe, you know, like, that's

1:00:00

this seems like one of those

1:00:03

things that would be really great for

1:00:05

a search engine to have these podcasts

1:00:08

infinitely searchable, but you know their attention

1:00:10

isn't there. Their attention right now

1:00:12

is how can we do what the

1:00:14

chat, GPT people are doing to supercharge

1:00:16

our our search in a completely

1:00:18

different way, which is, you know, like, integrate

1:00:20

these chatbots that tell you what you want

1:00:22

to know. Instead I

1:00:24

don't know, searching inside a podcast and

1:00:26

giving you direct access to that content. So

1:00:30

They're a little they've they've got a lot on their plate right now.

1:00:32

Google does. Little bit. Little bit. Little

1:00:36

bit. Yeah. Alright.

1:00:38

Well, it is time to pass the

1:00:41

mic over to Jerry Field from

1:00:43

Android Intelligence. He has

1:00:46

a search alternative that he wants to show us. Take it

1:00:48

away, Jared.

1:00:49

Yay. Alright. Today, I wanna talk

1:00:52

about search

1:00:54

he says we've got tons of different places to track down information. And let's

1:00:57

be honest, Google's great at

1:00:59

a lot of things Sometimes

1:01:02

easier to find what you need

1:01:04

elsewhere. Whether that's Reddit

1:01:06

Wikipedia? I don't know. Maybe

1:01:08

even TikTok. Still a

1:01:10

thing. Right? With that in mind,

1:01:12

I've got just a thing for you.

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1:01:16

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1:01:18

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1:01:20

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1:01:22

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1:01:25

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1:01:28

anyone who's listening. Swirl listened

1:01:30

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1:01:32

More like a search portal, it lets you dig through lots of

1:01:34

different places you already know in a single, nicely designed spot.

1:01:37

And the site's main

1:01:40

page is super minimal. It's

1:01:42

just a plain box basically. Not much

1:01:44

else are grounded. And you

1:01:46

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1:01:48

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1:01:50

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1:01:52

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1:01:54

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1:01:56

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1:01:59

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1:02:01

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1:02:03

is that everything you could possibly need

1:02:05

is right there in arrive yet

1:02:07

on a single page. When you wanna move from one source to another, you

1:02:09

just swipe horizontally on your screen or tap

1:02:11

the appropriate icon at the top to jump

1:02:13

directly where you

1:02:16

wanna go. All the columns have infinite scrolling

1:02:18

too, so you can dive as deep as you need

1:02:20

into any of the results

1:02:22

without ever having to click on a second

1:02:24

page or

1:02:26

at a pesky load more button. Pretty nifty, isn't

1:02:28

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1:02:31

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1:02:33

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1:02:36

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1:02:38

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1:02:40

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1:02:44

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1:02:48

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1:02:52

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1:03:31

never heard of Swirl. It really

1:03:33

looks like deck. TWiT

1:03:36

for search engines. Yeah. And as

1:03:39

a tweet deck quality to it. That's

1:03:41

gonna feel like we we couldn't

1:03:43

we couldn't move without calling out JR for the

1:03:45

fantastic t shirt selection this week. For

1:03:48

audio listeners, you gotta watch the video

1:03:50

to see JR sporting a t shirt

1:03:52

with Klippy

1:03:54

from the e old and Microsoft Days Clippy, the

1:03:57

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the paper clip we love

1:04:02

to hate.

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It's Come for the Android Intelligence 614

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for the fabulous t shirts. Yes.

1:04:07

I mean, a, you know, week after week he

1:04:09

delivers as far as the t shirts are

1:04:11

and I I'm wondering if we're a strong t shirt

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repeat

1:04:13

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you. If send a mail of 347 show AAA.

1:06:04

Thank you for that too. Although don't get

1:06:06

very many of those. Anyways, can

1:06:09

wrote in to a at Twitter dot tv to say a longtime listener

1:06:12

here from Singapore. I'm

1:06:14

originally a one plus user before

1:06:16

that 614 nexus

1:06:18

owner. My previous two phones were the original Nord and the Nord's

1:06:20

CE, both were exceptional devices

1:06:22

until they got updated to

1:06:26

the latest color OS. This annoyed me and

1:06:28

forced me to change the NORD to the nothing

1:06:30

phone. I'm still using the

1:06:32

CE, though. The color

1:06:34

OS is just terrible to use,

1:06:36

especially when they remove the app drawer

1:06:38

or as Ron likes to say the app

1:06:40

drawer. Search

1:06:42

where I could where I could immediately

1:06:44

type to search for apps without

1:06:46

having to tap my fingers at the top of

1:06:48

the screen to type in search.

1:06:50

I still use the CE because its battery is so good, can easily

1:06:53

last me two days when I just

1:06:55

use it for reading. Not bad.

1:06:58

Anyway, that's my rant about the downfall of OnePlus. If you would

1:07:00

like to know more about anything related

1:07:02

to the android market here in Singapore

1:07:06

or Malaysia, You can ask me anytime. Have a great day, and thank you for

1:07:08

a great 614 podcast

1:07:10

says Ken. Thank you for writing in. Love to

1:07:12

hear about

1:07:14

that. And yeah, we might just have

1:07:16

to reach out to you with our Singapore and Malaysia

1:07:20

beet coverage. You might hear from

1:07:22

us, Ken. Yeah.

1:07:24

There you go. Color OS, not

1:07:27

a fan. Didn't really bugged me that much, but I

1:07:29

it really does. It's very visceral for some people.

1:07:32

The the the Like

1:07:34

the place. UI change. It's

1:07:36

like

1:07:36

it's like the blue people in Avatar. People really

1:07:38

react to it. Vis à vis

1:07:39

Oh, on Kenny Valley of

1:07:41

UI. I'm trying to paper on this.

1:07:44

That's a great idea. There you

1:07:46

go. I'll credit you right. Or I

1:07:48

take I take

1:07:49

no responsibility for my pronunciation of draw,

1:07:51

by the way. I just can't

1:07:53

even do it with my

1:07:55

mouth. It's very just it's very disturbing. Say

1:07:58

water.

1:07:59

Water. Water. So, anyway,

1:08:02

let's stop play by Long Island X. Okay.

1:08:04

Alright. Alright. That's for post show.

1:08:07

Our

1:08:07

next email comes from front of

1:08:09

the show

1:08:09

named mike who says TWiT came across a nothing phone in the wild in

1:08:12

Dubai. I have a limited picture since I

1:08:14

saw it in the hands of a clerk at a

1:08:16

liquor store and it's a bit

1:08:18

of a touchy subject here. I also noticed the giant billboard across the street from from me on the main highway. not

1:08:20

sure while I'll make it to the US,

1:08:22

but they're investing here. Love the show, Mike.

1:08:26

And good job, Mike, and spotting it in the

1:08:28

wild, and Walt places a liquor store in

1:08:30

Dubai. That's kind of liquor store in

1:08:33

Dubai. Talking about needle in a

1:08:35

haystack, We got a we got a photo there. I

1:08:37

don't know if you saw that, Burke,

1:08:39

but we do. We have

1:08:41

a photo. In case you

1:08:43

don't believe him, We have photographic

1:08:45

evidence from the liquor store. I I you know, he

1:08:48

no. It definitely does not

1:08:50

look like a liquor store. That

1:08:54

countertop is not liquor store quality

1:08:56

countertop. But, yeah, it's

1:08:59

a touchy subject. Still

1:09:01

got a photo of

1:09:03

it. Yeah. Looking looking like

1:09:04

And I'm not surprised at all to hear that they're

1:09:06

investing in Dubai, like, with advertising. So that's where money

1:09:09

is and it's a different region and all that sort

1:09:11

of stuff. And, you know, as

1:09:14

complicated as as as as Dubai might be from a marketplace, it's, you know,

1:09:16

US has gotta be way

1:09:18

more complicated with with all of

1:09:23

carriers and all the, you know, Apple and Google and all that sort of

1:09:25

stuff. So it makes sense that they're, you know, kind of

1:09:27

getting established

1:09:30

in places like Dubai. Especially with their with their design aesthetic

1:09:32

and price point. So Yeah. Yeah. The

1:09:34

the hipness and the kind of I

1:09:36

mean, it's a mid range phone, but it

1:09:38

still like, a certain set of status and, like, sort of

1:09:40

exclusivity and kind of hipness to it. So it

1:09:43

makes a lot of sense. You gotta

1:09:45

be in the know to know

1:09:47

about this phone, which I I'm realizing

1:09:49

as we're talking about, like, this particular phone being seen in

1:09:52

the wild Like,

1:09:55

I almost think like different phones have different scores. Like, it

1:09:57

could be a game. It could

1:09:59

be like the

1:10:01

smartphone and the wild game every time you see an

1:10:03

iPhone, it's like negative points because you're just so used to

1:10:05

seeing them. Same for Samsung phones. But if you

1:10:08

see

1:10:09

a nothing phone out in the wild, That's, like, you

1:10:11

get a hundred points for that. That's, like, 614

1:10:12

eye scoring. I saw a windows phone in

1:10:14

the

1:10:14

wild ones. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

1:10:16

It was right. This is our

1:10:18

back someone that was actually in

1:10:21

our alley in the old place, like somebody who worked

1:10:23

across the alley from us. Yeah. Like, that was

1:10:27

super random. Yeah. Looks like how excited I got when I

1:10:29

saw Samsung foldable a couple years on the subway in New York. I was Yeah. That was The subway is actually

1:10:32

using it. Like, this is great. Yeah.

1:10:34

Yeah. So Yeah. That'd

1:10:35

be like forty points. TWiT phone,

1:10:38

I feel like, is a hundred because, like

1:10:40

And

1:10:40

also, it's his nose about the nothing phone. And then It's

1:10:43

it's scaling because I feel like the time that I

1:10:45

saw foldable. It would have been worth more points because

1:10:47

-- Yeah. -- earlier in the life cycle right way earlier. We're now. It's a little more common. Yeah. Oh, this there's

1:10:49

a game here. I

1:10:52

think

1:10:52

we're I think it's the

1:10:54

game to be found here. Oh, what? And then, you know, me Flo and I could start

1:10:56

a little kind of side

1:10:58

hustle where we just walk around.

1:11:03

With our foldables if someone needs some boys.

1:11:05

Oh, wow. This direction was Oh,

1:11:07

wow. I mean, you

1:11:09

take the results. Nice. Like, hustler. It's alright. You're

1:11:11

the hustler. Yeah. You're the you're, like,

1:11:13

the foldable phone, hustler. You're like, yeah.

1:11:16

So did you you want

1:11:18

that photographic evidence that you ran

1:11:20

a cross organically this foldable phone on the street because it's gonna

1:11:22

cost you that's I don't know if they get some extra cases and so just

1:11:24

to

1:11:25

disguise. If you were

1:11:27

to play this game, What

1:11:29

city or area do you think would be the best place to

1:11:31

win? Like like if you're accounting, like, you know, how many unique bones

1:11:33

can I spot on

1:11:36

the

1:11:36

street? Which city do you

1:11:38

think would be the best place to

1:11:40

play this game? That's a It's

1:11:41

gotta be San Francisco. Yeah. My my bed is

1:11:44

Hong Kong. Oh,

1:11:45

yeah. I mean, internationally. Yeah. Shenzhen maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We

1:11:47

gotta open this up worldwide. Yes.

1:11:50

And I think you're absolutely right.

1:11:55

I feel like maybe maybe Galvin Scumpel was, like, a plant. Like, he

1:11:57

sort of fixed. He maybe he gave this windows

1:11:59

phone to the lady across the street

1:12:01

and, like, staged the whole thing.

1:12:04

Could be. Alex Gumpel

1:12:06

-- Yeah. -- was the hustler then. And you had no

1:12:08

idea. You had

1:12:11

no idea, Bert. This this

1:12:13

game is is gonna

1:12:16

be

1:12:16

awesome. There's legs to it. Yeah. There's

1:12:18

legs. Anyone who wants to help us

1:12:22

develop triple a at Twitter dot

1:12:24

tv for us now. That's

1:12:26

almost too too much to manage

1:12:28

actually. Too much to develop for

1:12:30

us, and then let us know what you come up

1:12:33

with. Yeah. Yeah. Go

1:12:36

for it. Alright. With you got the

1:12:38

last

1:12:38

one. Alright.

1:12:39

Well, it is now time for the

1:12:42

email of

1:12:43

the week, and the email

1:12:45

of the week is from

1:12:47

Bob Meets Singh. And we're going to

1:12:49

talk a

1:12:50

little bit about how to kind of appeal to Google's

1:12:55

sensibilities in terms of, like, feature request. So Bognito writes this saying, I

1:12:57

bought the Pixel seven at a Galaxy Watch

1:12:59

five in October just an

1:13:03

upgrade. After purchasing, I was very happy

1:13:05

with both of them, but after using them,

1:13:07

I feel like I felt like

1:13:09

they have some essential features missing. Like a better

1:13:11

split screen mode in Pixel UI or some sort of TV remote

1:13:13

app and pod and podcast app in

1:13:15

Wear OS. Mhmm. Mhmm. But

1:13:18

I don't I don't know

1:13:20

where to request these new features

1:13:22

from Android development team except the triple a podcast or Twitter. Do you

1:13:24

guys have any suggestions where the

1:13:26

Android community can post new features?

1:13:30

Ideas to Google and enter development team

1:13:32

and have them, you know, see it because

1:13:34

nowadays you cannot trust Twitter to do

1:13:37

it. And please don't say Google Pixel

1:13:39

community help center. Well, I

1:13:41

don't know. I mean,

1:13:44

you can send

1:13:46

feedback through the Google

1:13:48

app. I mean, the the

1:13:50

the problem here is I don't know. There's no real Great way to send this

1:13:53

sort of feedback

1:13:56

to Google. I I feel like the

1:13:58

the few times that we've had someone from Google on the show, and I've mentioned, like or one of us has mentioned,

1:14:00

you know, would be a

1:14:02

good idea. Blah blah blah. They

1:14:05

always make some, like, smart ass comment of, like, oh,

1:14:07

it's a feature request time or something like that. Like like,

1:14:09

I don't know

1:14:11

that they really care a whole lot

1:14:13

of these ideas, sadly. They've got their own thing going on. But you can

1:14:15

send feedback through

1:14:19

the Google app It's it's in there.

1:14:21

Just open up the Google app and there's, like, a send feedback section. But I kinda feel

1:14:24

like you're just dropping mail into a bucket

1:14:26

that's never gonna be read, but I could

1:14:28

be wrong. That

1:14:31

could be wrong. So

1:14:32

Yeah. To actually answer the question,

1:14:34

I do have an Stadia.

1:14:37

I think the best way that the average

1:14:39

user could actually get their feedback eventually read

1:14:41

by a Google or who can actually

1:14:44

eventually take action on

1:14:46

it is the Google issue tracker. Or you're on the beta one

1:14:48

of the Android releases, it's the

1:14:50

the feedback app. So that's that.

1:14:52

The issue tracker is

1:14:54

like a really, really outdated

1:14:57

like clunky UI. But if you actually

1:14:59

submit something there and it gets starred enough and then one of the people

1:15:01

who goes through and triages

1:15:03

the bugs and like,

1:15:06

eventually decides they'll take take this

1:15:08

on. You might get lucky and they

1:15:10

might actually decide we'll implement this

1:15:13

in you

1:15:13

know, a feature release. So like

1:15:15

for example, there's a lot there's a lot that has to go your way in order for that to Let's be honest.

1:15:18

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's

1:15:20

it's there's

1:15:23

no guarantee it gets read. Honestly, like, it it's

1:15:25

it's

1:15:25

not a good way, but the best bet

1:15:27

is literally, like, if you have a

1:15:29

big enough social media following any you have Googlers follow you

1:15:31

just, like, tag a few Googlers say, please do this.

1:15:33

Yeah. Because they can they can

1:15:35

bypass that internally and

1:15:38

say, like, we should do this.

1:15:40

Yeah. III

1:15:41

hesitate to encourage that though because someone

1:15:44

randomly tagging you is

1:15:46

a little bit difficult, but that's

1:15:48

not to say, like, a valid idea, I think,

1:15:50

is a valid idea. And IIIA hundred percent concur with Michelle that it's kind of like critical

1:15:55

mass. Like, if you create suggestion and, yeah, if you get, like, a

1:15:57

thousand stars on the issue tracker or

1:15:59

if you use the bird's eye or

1:16:01

Mastodon and you get, like, a ton

1:16:03

in, you know, get,

1:16:05

like, an exorbitant amount of boosts or

1:16:07

or of have you, that

1:16:11

does that that means something,

1:16:14

but I kind of agree. Like, I feel like, you know, as a developer, I benefit

1:16:16

because the Android Development team

1:16:18

is kind of more like super,

1:16:22

like, I think, into into, like, the developer

1:16:24

community because, you know, like, part of the

1:16:26

platform success is I mean, obviously, from

1:16:28

the user too, but also like the apps as

1:16:30

well. There's a little bit more of a direct line with us. And I it's really hard for, like, users requesting features

1:16:36

to kind of cut through? Because, I

1:16:38

mean, like, to be fair to Google and Android with, you know, three billion active devices,

1:16:42

they probably get the the signal to noise ratio is not

1:16:44

good. Mhmm. So I think, you know, trying

1:16:46

to get in a place that

1:16:49

is public where you can get people kind of chiming

1:16:51

in in, like, a legitimate way helps. That being

1:16:54

said, I agree. It's not

1:16:56

easy for for, like,

1:16:58

a user request feature. Or just just generic generic feature

1:16:59

development. Yeah. So Yeah.

1:17:02

Don't don't beg people. Please

1:17:05

don't don't go tagging random people on social media

1:17:07

and asking And don't

1:17:08

tag, like, twelve people 614 the same thing.

1:17:10

They're not gonna do that. Yeah. Yeah.

1:17:14

The isolate plays over on something

1:17:16

like that. But I am I

1:17:18

I do appreciate that that

1:17:21

you and you're not alone.

1:17:23

That mean, but that you feel that having

1:17:26

us read the

1:17:28

the features that you that

1:17:31

you want on the show will make an impact. I don't know that

1:17:33

it will, but we get I I

1:17:35

definitely get these emails from

1:17:37

time to time. Can

1:17:40

you please tell Google. Whoa. My my audio

1:17:42

just totally canceled out. Can you hear me? I yep.

1:17:47

I I think

1:17:48

Oh, I think I unplugged something when I hit

1:17:50

the taper. Hold on. There is there is one more thing. I would like to add to that.

1:17:52

Yeah. And it's

1:17:55

if you have have, you know,

1:17:57

a good enough idea and you articulate it well enough and you post it on, like, Reddit or you

1:17:59

send tip to, like, Android Police or Android

1:18:02

Central or one of these big new

1:18:04

sites, and

1:18:06

they publish an article on it. There's

1:18:08

a decent chance that someone, you know,

1:18:10

within there you go, we'll share it around.

1:18:13

Like, you know, you're not gonna know they're

1:18:15

actually reading this stuff. You're not gonna know that they've actually taken your

1:18:17

feedback into account, but there's a chance that

1:18:19

that work. Like, they might say, hey,

1:18:21

look at this article. We think a good idea of this.

1:18:23

There you go. You wouldn't know until the next release until,

1:18:25

like, eight months later that they actually decide to

1:18:27

do it, but it could

1:18:29

work. You know, it It TWiT has worked before. You

1:18:31

have no budget until, like, ten months later.

1:18:33

Yes. Right. Right. Yeah. Hundred feet, like,

1:18:35

credibility, and also,

1:18:37

like, volume slash critical mass slash not

1:18:39

entropy, the other thing. What is the

1:18:42

thing that makes things go shoot.

1:18:48

Lots of people. I don't know. Lots lots of people.

1:18:50

There you go. We call lots of people. You might have to show me that.

1:18:56

No. I'm

1:18:56

thinking of physics physics term. We, like Critical

1:18:58

mass is going critical mass. Okay. Whatever. But,

1:19:00

no, I agree. It's it's it's

1:19:02

really difficult. But III

1:19:06

Yes. If if for what is the

1:19:08

Florida's

1:19:08

worth? Yeah.

1:19:08

Listen to Michelle. That's probably the best way.

1:19:11

And it it's unfortunate because it's more

1:19:13

of a a volume issue, especially with Google

1:19:15

Android, because the volume is so big. I mean, I would encourage anyone, like, for you know, day

1:19:17

to day apps where,

1:19:20

you know, your

1:19:22

you know, the developer team might be, like, less than

1:19:25

a hundreds, a few dozen people, a handful

1:19:27

of people. But yeah. Reaching out

1:19:29

to them works is just, I think, to be

1:19:31

fair, to an organization that's really, really large. It's really

1:19:33

hard to filter that from,

1:19:35

like, spam, trolls, and

1:19:37

other stuff like that. So they do care. III

1:19:39

really do feel like they care, but it's just

1:19:42

hard to filter it out. Yeah. So,

1:19:44

yes. The amount

1:19:46

of the amount of feedback

1:19:48

that they probably get is

1:19:50

just insanity. Yeah. Difficult. So how do you get yours your

1:19:56

your feature request read or taken seriously or any of

1:19:58

those things, and there is no right answer for that. But

1:20:03

Yeah. That's a

1:20:03

couple of strategies. I don't know if any of that

1:20:05

is helpful, Bavenport, but there you

1:20:08

go. Momentum, that's what I

1:20:10

wanted to say. There we go. And

1:20:12

for and for getting this great discussion on

1:20:14

a momentum going and for reminding when

1:20:17

what the physics term

1:20:19

was, that's why that your email

1:20:21

of the week. There we go.

1:20:23

And with that, we have

1:20:25

reached the end of this

1:20:28

episode of all about Android,

1:20:30

always so much fun. Michelle, I wanna throw it over to you first because

1:20:32

you posted on

1:20:35

Twitter yesterday, some news. I

1:20:39

don't wanna be the one to announce it, but what what

1:20:41

do you want people to

1:20:43

know right now?

1:20:46

Yeah, Jason. Unfortunately,

1:20:48

you know, there's massive layoffs everywhere

1:20:50

across the whole tech industry and

1:20:52

at my own company, Esper,

1:20:54

I was involved in a layoff.

1:20:56

And so I wasn't, like, I'm not fully out

1:20:58

of a job. I'm, like, now reduced hours

1:21:01

to contractor, but that does mean I'm

1:21:03

looking for additional work potentially full time, you know,

1:21:05

employment contract somewhere else. So if you're

1:21:08

looking for someone

1:21:10

who really knows android,

1:21:12

ASP, you know, Android

1:21:14

ecosystem, etcetera, like, how to navigate all those waters. You know, someone who knows really, really

1:21:20

knows you know, how to work

1:21:22

with Android. I'm your guy. You know, contact me at Michelle Ramon on all

1:21:25

the different social media

1:21:27

platforms, Twitter, Mastodon, read

1:21:30

it, etcetera. So, yeah, please reach out if

1:21:33

you have, you know, if you're interested in

1:21:35

hiring me. All you really have

1:21:37

to do is go read Michelle's expansive

1:21:40

work at Esper. Yes, of course. But,

1:21:42

you know, for many years at XDA

1:21:45

to know And I mean, very active,

1:21:48

like, in places like Twitter and Reddit,

1:21:50

like you said. But if you find

1:21:52

his post, I mean, the dude is

1:21:54

so damn smart. I don't think you're gonna I don't think it's gonna

1:21:56

be long for you, but I realize

1:21:58

I'm just sorry. I I hate knowing

1:22:00

that people are getting laid off

1:22:03

right now, and it sucks to

1:22:05

have it hit so close to home. And I'm just really

1:22:07

sorry that that happened, Michelle. And I really hope that

1:22:11

you find something

1:22:12

quickly. So I hope that we can give you a little at

1:22:14

least a little bit of of exposure to help

1:22:17

that happen faster

1:22:19

too. So There you go. Every every

1:22:22

transition is an opportunity. Let's say That's true, Michelle. And I and, you know, you'll, you know,

1:22:24

I'm confident you'll land somewhere

1:22:26

that'll be even better in will

1:22:29

be good and and and get to do

1:22:31

even more. Right. So There you go. There you go. Well, Michelle, we having you

1:22:35

on this show. And offering your your insight

1:22:37

and your knowledge to the show when we can get

1:22:40

you on.

1:22:42

So thank you for hopping on today and

1:22:45

into the future. And,

1:22:47

yeah, keep keep us posted, let

1:22:49

us know how how the job

1:22:51

search is going.

1:22:53

We'll do our very best

1:22:55

to help you out. When,

1:22:57

what you got going

1:22:59

on? Well, I just wanna

1:23:01

say that I am an Android dev.

1:23:03

I am actually a very senior slash staff and

1:23:06

level engineer. And I think that Michelle's knowledge, content

1:23:08

enabled an

1:23:10

ability to make connections about what's

1:23:12

going on in Android is super valuable for consumers

1:23:14

and people like me. I have been linking

1:23:17

of Michelle's content to my former

1:23:20

coworkers and current coworkers because it's that viable and that

1:23:22

in-depth and that insightful. So, yes, this one. Say

1:23:24

that. Put

1:23:27

that out there. And yeah. It's like that's my day

1:23:30

job. And Michelle makes my day

1:23:32

job easier,

1:23:34

especially communicating what's happening in Android. So that's what I want people to know. And

1:23:37

you can find me if you feel like

1:23:39

it on renlityping dot com. I

1:23:42

sometimes talk about Android stuff. There, and you can find me on

1:23:44

other places at Queen Coke Monkey.

1:23:46

If you're on Mastodon, I'm currently

1:23:50

at Queen Coke Monkey. At Mastodon, that that might

1:23:52

change, but that's where you can

1:23:54

find me for now. That's it.

1:23:58

Cool. Thank you, Wayne. It's good to see you. Also good

1:24:01

to see

1:24:01

you, Ron Richards. Thank

1:24:03

you so so much. And

1:24:06

you can I realized I didn't give Burke my my my link to for my plug? And I'm sorry. I was so too

1:24:08

busy doing the show, so I'm gonna vamp a little

1:24:10

while I pull up a link to send to Burke.

1:24:15

To follow me over at

1:24:18

RonExo on on Twitter

1:24:22

and over on Instagram.

1:24:25

Or impose the nonsense periodically every now and then. But

1:24:27

also wanna give us a quick plug and

1:24:30

shout out to Scorpion,

1:24:32

which is my fun little

1:24:34

startup that made a couple of that around to look scorbot

1:24:37

in the Google

1:24:40

Play Store. We released a

1:24:42

major update to the mobile app last week, version one dot one version one dot three came out.

1:24:44

Now it make it

1:24:47

a lot easier to auto

1:24:49

claim your scores when you're playing a a pinball game on a scoreboard enabled machine, better follower notifications,

1:24:51

you can scan your contacts to find people who are

1:24:54

in the app. A lot of cool stuff

1:24:56

in there. So

1:24:59

that's a photo for our video viewers, there's

1:25:01

a photo from Indisc, which is the

1:25:03

big tournament that

1:25:06

happened in Riverside, California. Earlier this month where we were a

1:25:08

a score that was actively keeping

1:25:10

track of scores. Yeah. So fun

1:25:12

time. So, yeah, go to Google

1:25:15

Play Store download the app. Check it

1:25:17

out, and my hats off to Winn and all other

1:25:19

app developers because it is very very

1:25:24

hard. And we're finding that out the easy way, also the

1:25:26

hard way, but we're doing the best we can to make the

1:25:28

best that we can. So hope if

1:25:30

you like playing pinball, go check it out.

1:25:33

Right on, square dot I o, think you're on it. In the Google Play

1:25:35

Store. In the Google Play Store. Where

1:25:39

else would it be. You you

1:25:41

already know to check the Play Store. So go there and

1:25:43

it out. Thanks. Once again to JRA Field, Android

1:25:47

Intelligence, of course. And

1:25:50

all of his awesome tips. Thank you to Burke behind the scenes and sometimes

1:25:52

talking on the show. You hear his

1:25:54

voice from time to time. Also, thank you

1:25:59

to Victor behind the scenes. You don't hear his voice very much because

1:26:01

he's not here right now, but he does

1:26:03

the production.

1:26:06

That's not Victor. That's somebody else. And I can't remember his

1:26:08

name, but he's really hairy. Victor,

1:26:10

on the other hand, he is

1:26:13

at home he he does the kind of the

1:26:16

postproduction work for this show and turns

1:26:18

out the the podcast. So you can

1:26:20

thank Victor for the fact that

1:26:22

it downloads to your device when you're subscribed. So make sure that you're subscribed to AAA.

1:26:27

As for me, you

1:26:29

know, I'm on I'm I'm still on the bird site. Adjacent Hal,

1:26:31

but I'm also on Mastodon with social slash Adjacent

1:26:36

Hal. Was gone for a week, so

1:26:38

I've been very, very out of the social things. So now that I'm back to

1:26:40

work, maybe I'll post a few things. I don't know.

1:26:42

I'm so out of the habit at this

1:26:46

point. It's hard to get that engine running again. And

1:26:49

I also do another show with

1:26:51

Mike and sergeant every

1:26:53

Thursday called Tech News Week release. So, twin dot

1:26:55

t v slash TNW. We have a lot of

1:26:57

really great interviews with people in the

1:27:00

technology industry. About

1:27:02

some of the biggest news stories that are happening each

1:27:04

week, so check it out. Don't forget

1:27:06

club This is in in

1:27:09

many ways, this is kind of you know,

1:27:11

heading into twenty twenty three where there's a

1:27:13

lot of uncertainty like we've been talking

1:27:15

about on the show