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with Jenna and Kevin and

1:01

iHeartRadio podcast. Welcome

1:04

to and that's what you really missed podcast. It's

1:08

ugly episode.

1:11

It's always a glee episode.

1:13

Glee on glee. Glee on

1:15

glee. We have another glee

1:17

rewatch podcast and they have their

1:19

finger on the pulse and this is

1:22

recovering glee. Dedicated. Big

1:24

fans. Oh yeah. And

1:26

what a time we just

1:28

had. They're so funny and so sweet. They

1:32

know everything. We know nothing.

1:34

They're doing deep dives and

1:36

they've done a huge

1:38

rewatch. They've hosted a

1:41

cabaret at 54 Below, singing

1:43

Glee. They know

1:46

some Glee versions. Ian's

1:50

talking about knowing Glee versions of

1:52

songs, but not knowing the original. I

1:54

was like, that's a fan. Yeah.

1:57

Oh, yeah. They're wonderful. Yeah, really good.

1:59

So this is the host of Recovering

2:01

Gleeks, Lena and Ian. Oh

2:04

my God. Hi. Hi. Hello.

2:07

How are you? Oh my God.

2:10

This is crazy. How

2:15

are you guys? We're

2:17

good. Have you ever had someone cry

2:20

on an episode before? No,

2:22

but cried, so it's okay. Great!

2:24

Holy moly. It's so so good

2:27

to meet you all. Likewise,

2:30

are you kidding me? Oh my gosh.

2:32

I mean, you guys were doing this

2:34

before we were, so this is,

2:36

you know, we're indebted to you. does

2:38

predate us. Yeah,

2:41

that's true. Okay, fine. I

2:43

genuinely am so emotional right now. It's so good

2:45

to meet you both. Thank you so

2:47

so much. Thank you for coming. But those

2:49

of you who don't know who are

2:51

listening, Recovering Gleek

2:53

is another Glee podcast. Yeah.

2:56

And Lin and Ian have been

2:58

doing it for years. They've rewatched everything

3:00

and are so wonderful. Yes.

3:02

I wish you could see them right

3:04

now. They're smiling. It's just

3:06

a huge moment for us. Oh my gosh.

3:10

Glee lines. Let's talk about

3:12

it. So tell us how this podcast

3:14

happened. I mean,

3:17

maybe we got to go further. The

3:19

friendships, the watching Glee in the first

3:21

place, like what happened? So sweet. Um,

3:24

so Leon and I met in college

3:26

back in 2016. Um,

3:28

we met in college and we

3:30

were friends for years and it's so

3:32

bizarre Glee just like. never came

3:35

up in our conversations. And

3:37

then literally, we know the

3:39

exact location we were at when

3:41

the podcast was incepted. We

3:43

were in a production of Andrew

3:45

Lloyd Webber's classic, Joseph of the

3:47

Amazing Teddy Collar Dream Code. Incredible. And

3:50

we were on a bus to go to a concert. We

3:53

found out in a conversation that unbeknownst to

3:55

each other, we were both huge geeks, had been

3:57

there from the beginning, had watched,

3:59

you know, like. from the

4:01

pilot onward and had incredibly

4:03

strong opinions about it. And

4:06

I feel like Glee had a huge

4:08

resurgence in the pandemic. In 2019,

4:10

we were like, we're the only two

4:12

people talking about this. No one's

4:14

talking about Glee anymore. We

4:18

really felt like it was it was our calling. We had

4:20

to we had to get out there and start talking about

4:22

Lee again. Closet and bricks found each other

4:24

on a bus. Seriously, I looked

4:26

at him and I was like, how have we

4:28

never spoken about this before? It was huge. I

4:31

was so excited. We're

4:34

there. What were your if you remember

4:36

if you can take us back

4:38

some of your initial like, oh, we

4:40

have to share these opinions

4:42

like hot takes maybe that you thought

4:44

about the show that you bonded over

4:46

immediately. I

4:49

distinctly remember the main thing that

4:51

we talked about was just like,

4:53

we loved it so much. Like

4:55

it consumed us, like we streamed

4:57

all the music, we watched every

5:00

single episode the night of, and

5:02

then we would bring up plot

5:04

points that would be like, but

5:06

remember this, this feels crazy. I

5:09

remember this already plot line got brought

5:11

up. on the bus that one of us

5:13

is like remember when they did a

5:15

website story and already told them they had

5:17

to lose their virginities to do a

5:19

high school

5:22

production that was

5:24

crazy seven Insane.

5:28

We also thought that was insane. I don't know that

5:30

I thought it was that insane while we were

5:32

filming it, to be honest. We I don't think it

5:34

really got me, but like, watching

5:36

it now, you're like, whoa. Yeah, watching

5:39

it, I was like, I said that, but

5:41

I do remember at the time being

5:43

like, this is hilarious. Yeah. And I'd like

5:45

to do those things. I was

5:47

like, I cannot imagine

5:49

to drop my dream of

5:51

theater. I wouldn't have done it.

5:53

Do you know what I mean? I would have done it. If

5:56

I

5:59

remember to

6:01

like the glee Renaissance

6:03

in 2020, we were like, we've been saying this

6:05

for years. We've been saying this for years.

6:07

So we were finally like, it's time.

6:09

It's time we have to. Yeah,

6:11

I feel like you're like, we were

6:14

ahead of the curve. Like, get out of

6:16

here, everybody else. We were here first. And

6:18

that's a feeling that we had where we were

6:20

like, people are like, dunking on, like,

6:22

Rachel sending sunshine to a crack house, but

6:24

they don't know what we know. Like, they

6:26

don't love it like we love it. Right.

6:28

It's like, you can only, only we can

6:30

talk about our friends. Like, they can't. Exactly.

6:33

Exactly. because they're still

6:35

our friends. They're still our

6:37

friends. Exactly. Yeah. And that was

6:39

a big sticking point for us,

6:41

was it was frustrating. Part of the

6:43

Klee Renaissance story in COVID was

6:45

so much dunking. Yeah, like you're

6:47

missing the force for the trees.

6:50

Like this show is genius. And also

6:52

a lot of the stuff that you are making fun

6:54

of, you're just not in on

6:56

the joke. Like the show is

6:58

aware that it is being ridiculous. And

7:01

actually, you just don't get that. Yeah,

7:03

that was very illuminating

7:06

of what this were the

7:08

talking points for certain

7:10

demographics. during

7:12

2020 is like, oh, they

7:14

don't know what satire is.

7:16

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

7:19

But love that they, you know, but also

7:21

part of that was seeing then the people

7:23

who did watch it. And they're like, yeah,

7:25

this show's a little crazy, but there's nothing

7:27

else like this. And we love it. And

7:30

that to me was also equally as surprising

7:32

because, you know, the show

7:34

looks, I think feels Obviously

7:36

a little dated sometimes too as

7:38

you're watching it in comparison to

7:41

like what's out now and The

7:43

fact that like kids are

7:45

enjoying it is really

7:47

surprising and lovely

7:49

Yeah, yeah, I

7:51

think glee at it's like at

7:53

its core glee is a message that

7:55

every kid especially every kid involved

7:57

in the arts can relate to whether

8:00

some of it is dated whether some of it is

8:02

like super insane If you

8:04

feel ostracized, if you feel like a weirdo, if

8:06

you feel like a loser, those

8:08

things are your superpower. That's

8:10

what makes you special. What

8:13

you're saying is also

8:15

kind of why I feel like, Kevin, people

8:17

really like loser like me. Did

8:21

you guys like loser like me

8:23

in the song? I love loser

8:25

like me. We were all

8:27

S .E .R. I can only be

8:29

who I am. I streamed it

8:31

so much. I bought it to

8:34

day. I was so happy when that was cut from

8:36

the episode. was

8:38

like, thank god don't to say that. I

8:41

love it. Really, at the time,

8:43

I seriously was like, just

8:46

go ahead and hate on me. I

8:48

just really, I felt those layers.

8:50

I got it. I got it. And

8:52

it's silly. Empowering. No,

8:54

no, I know. But we just like,

8:56

we were so afraid. We were so

8:58

afraid. And we're like, this is the

9:00

song we're gonna put out. And then

9:02

it just, we were wrong. We

9:04

were so wrong. So wrong. And

9:07

that's okay. I'm glad we were wrong. something.

9:09

Yeah, I'm glad we were wrong. Now we have

9:11

to talk about the fact that Aside

9:14

from the podcast, you also

9:16

hosted 54 Sings the Glee

9:19

version because 54 is a

9:21

very dear place in my heart.

9:23

I've performed there many, many

9:25

a time and I didn't

9:27

know you guys did this. Kate,

9:30

can you tell me about that? Yeah,

9:32

that was like one of the most

9:34

special things of my whole life. Like we

9:36

were brought in. They sent

9:38

us a message. They were like, Hey, we're

9:41

big fans of the podcast. Would you want

9:43

to come in and like maybe perform slash

9:45

host the show. Amazing. My

9:47

heart fell out of my my

9:49

butt. I like I because it was

9:52

my dream to perform there. I

9:54

like have so many. Yeah. Like YouTube

9:56

videos saved like of performances from

9:58

there. So a huge moment. But

10:00

yeah, the producers like had seen us

10:02

on TikTok and then seen some of

10:04

like, like had listened to our podcast a

10:06

little bit and brought us in and it was

10:09

so. Oh my gosh, so

10:11

cool. And it was such a cool, like,

10:14

like, we had met so many other,

10:16

like, other TikTok geeks as well. So

10:18

it was like a real, it

10:20

was just a really awesome meetup. And it was

10:22

like a really amazing opportunity and a beautiful

10:24

way to, like, show how much we love Glee

10:26

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10:28

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14:00

fiercely pro season six from the jump

14:02

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like we fully are like talking about

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14:08

And we just mentioned that like

14:10

some of our favorite episodes of the

14:12

entire show are in season six. Wow.

14:17

So excitement is what you should be feeling. Yeah,

14:19

I am excited. And this just

14:21

this is so confirmed the excitement.

14:24

I was tentatively excited. Now I'm fully

14:26

excited. I'm curious.

14:32

Jenna, do you not believe them? I

14:34

do believe them. I'm

14:36

excited. You don't have to. We

14:39

are just two opinions. I really do believe

14:41

you. I mean, like, honestly, all

14:43

of the people listening here, like,

14:45

they write, you guys all write

14:47

in, and, like, you're always right.

14:49

Like, their fingers, like, on the

14:51

pulse, they get it. Like, you

14:53

guys are always right. So, I

14:55

totally trust you guys. I just have

14:57

an expectation, and I'm just trying

14:59

to nix that so that I can

15:02

go in clear -headed. and excited. It

15:05

was such a weird time. You know what I

15:07

mean? And like it was closing out and

15:09

it was like half a season and it just

15:11

felt like I was coming back in and

15:14

just it was all there's all these new people

15:16

and you're like, what's happening? But like we

15:18

hear like this class is very quirky and funny

15:20

and like talented like their chemistry. So I'm

15:22

into it. I'm into it. I'm not here to

15:24

judge. You know, what are some highlights? Do

15:26

you have favorite numbers or characters? So

15:29

my favorite episode like maybe one of

15:31

my We recently did like a

15:34

recap, like we both picked two episodes

15:36

of our, like two of our favorite

15:38

episodes to recap. And one of my

15:40

favorites is the Hurt Locker part two.

15:43

I love, I can't tell you what

15:45

it is, especially the Hurt Locker part

15:47

two. I think that competition is so

15:49

silly. I think the saw trap

15:51

is so silly. It just like, to

15:54

me, and of course I wasn't there, but

15:56

the vibe is, let's just throw

15:58

shit at the wall and have fun. And

16:00

I just love that. A listener

16:03

made me this. Oh.

16:07

Oh my God. It

16:10

is the sob version of Sue

16:12

Sylvester. Isn't it terrifying? That's

16:15

how much I love episode. Isn't it so sweet? No,

16:17

I literally, I opened this up like

16:19

in front of my family at dinner and

16:21

they were like, that's the scariest thing

16:23

I've ever seen. I was like, this is

16:25

actually my child. It is beautiful. Yes,

16:27

that's my baby. That is very well done.

16:29

I love it. name was Brittany. Shout

16:31

out to Brittany. But yeah, like I love

16:34

that episode so much. It just the

16:36

whole season to me is just silly and

16:38

like getting back to basics. Like everyone

16:40

kind of starting at square one and. Everyone

16:42

they're all everyone is such losers and

16:44

I just I relate to that and I think it's

16:46

really an awesome and I I've got so much love for

16:48

season six now What about

16:50

season five like when the split

16:52

happens and we're like not at

16:54

McKinley anymore? What were your feelings

16:56

on like not seeing McKinley for

16:58

a whole half season? Yeah,

17:01

um Season five

17:03

and six I feel like are

17:05

are the seasons that people have very

17:07

strong opinions one way or the other

17:10

on yeah Personally, I like

17:12

stuff in New York, but New York

17:14

is not my jam necessarily. Got

17:16

it. Like, mm hmm. And it takes me

17:18

back to McKinley. Yes. I

17:20

love all of those characters so much and

17:22

I want to know what's going on with

17:24

them. But I am

17:26

more interested in

17:29

underdogs who are like really

17:31

scraping by in high school over like

17:33

working professionals who are getting

17:35

Broadway gigs and booking TV

17:37

shows. Right. Totally. Yes. We

17:39

fully understand that. Yeah. That's

17:42

why I'm watching smash. I

17:45

understand. I get this. Yeah. Okay.

17:47

I feel this in my bones. All right.

17:49

I think coming into it too, I

17:52

felt like really strongly about

17:54

not liking the New York plot, but

17:56

I did like come to, I

17:58

think appreciate it a little more this

18:00

free watch. I think that was a theme

18:02

like across the board is that we

18:04

were coming in like coming into dunk on

18:06

Glee and then actually walked away feeling

18:08

like. this is the best TV show ever. And

18:10

like, we can't dunk on it. It's the best. So

18:13

yeah. I think honestly, we

18:15

had, when we were talking about

18:17

this iteration of the podcast, we

18:20

created the whole

18:22

like tardy takes thing at

18:24

the end around like, there's

18:27

going to be a lot of things that did

18:29

not age well. It's sort of like the

18:31

dunking section. Yeah. And it's sort of has

18:33

not been as fruitful as I think

18:36

we originally thought it would be. are.

18:38

No, some of them are. But

18:40

it's not as many, yes. No, because

18:42

I think we were caught up also

18:44

in the algorithm of constantly

18:46

seeing all the things people were

18:48

saying, but it's a handful of

18:50

things, of the same thing. As opposed

18:52

to when you're watching 22

18:54

episode seasons, sure,

18:57

there may be one -ish weird

18:59

thing in episode. Sure,

19:01

there's a couple episodes there's a handful, but

19:03

that was the rare on rare

19:05

occasion. No, I so agree. I

19:08

so agree. We were like

19:10

pretty bold in the early days about

19:12

being like, I remember that I

19:14

didn't like this thing coming up. And

19:16

then we'd watch the thing and be like egg

19:18

on my face. I actually like it. Yes. Oh,

19:20

yeah. Oh my gosh. So

19:22

much. Yeah. recently re listened to

19:25

our like pilot episode and we

19:27

like did commentary along with it.

19:29

And I was like, oh my

19:31

God, I cannot believe we said

19:33

the things we said. Yeah. And

19:35

like coming into like it just like,

19:37

yeah, we actually. We were

19:39

really humbled by the show. We really were. Yes.

19:42

That's great though. I love going

19:44

back and doing commentary on your

19:47

commentary is wonderful. a podcast within

19:49

a podcast. It's a lot of

19:51

layers. It was a lot. It's beautiful.

19:53

I think it works for Glee, you know?

19:55

Yeah. We can do that. There

19:58

have been a handful of episodes I remember being like, oh,

20:00

dragging my feet to watch because you're like,

20:02

oh, God, this episode. And they're not as

20:04

bad as we think they are. Puppet

20:06

master. Puppet master

20:08

was I know that you probably

20:10

feel separately about this because I

20:13

know that y 'all hated. What

20:15

does the fox say? Yeah puppet

20:17

master was one that we talked

20:19

a big game about and then

20:21

watched it and both liked it

20:23

a lot Talked so much shit about

20:26

that and then Egg on my

20:28

face. I'm like, this isn't that

20:30

bad. Kevin gave the narrative around it.

20:32

I was like, I hate it too. And then I

20:34

watched it and was like, it's not so bad. This

20:37

isn't terrible. Yeah, we love it. Exactly.

20:39

Really enjoyed it. I know Jenna hates

20:41

gungum style. I'm like, Jenna, you sound

20:43

great. No, you ate it up. You

20:45

ate it up. Thanks. This is

20:47

a weird one. Recently, I

20:50

watched Thanksgiving and was like, is this

20:52

one of Glee's? Greatest hits. That's

20:54

what's amazing. No, I know.

20:57

That's a weird one too. But they

20:59

have Genghisar and Let's Have a Kiki

21:01

in the same episode. That was a

21:03

gift. See, this is us. STB

21:05

could pull that off. But

21:07

also us doubting Ryan, I think,

21:09

because Ryan said it with his full

21:11

chest that he liked Let's Have

21:14

a Kiki, turkey lurky time. And

21:16

we were like, sir, you're crazy. That's

21:18

one of the songs to perform at

21:20

54 Below. That

21:22

is OK. OK,

21:24

I'm going to have to watch this. We'll

21:27

send you a video. We'll send you a

21:29

video. We'll send you a video. I

21:31

got to know, like, separately

21:33

how you came to Glee

21:35

and what 'all are like, like,

21:37

in high school compared to Glee.

21:40

Yes. So I think

21:42

I was in seventh or

21:45

eighth grade when I first saw, like,

21:47

the first episode of the first. episode

21:49

that I saw, I can't remember if

21:51

it was the pilot or if it

21:53

was the second episode, but it was

21:55

early. And

21:57

I was doing

21:59

theater in middle school. I was like,

22:02

I was like also goth at

22:04

the time. I

22:07

felt like really

22:09

like those

22:11

were especially like I had

22:13

so many feelings. that like

22:15

I could only express through music. So I

22:17

was like, these are my people. And

22:19

everyone was watching it. And like

22:21

my teachers were all telling me to

22:23

watch it. And I really felt

22:25

so seen and heard. And then like

22:27

throughout high school, I really like

22:29

also was in theater and all that kind of

22:31

stuff. So I stayed true and watched the

22:33

entire show. It was like the thing that

22:36

my parents knew like It was like the

22:38

only thing I cared about. I like didn't

22:40

have a ton of friends. So when I

22:42

like was doing poorly in school or like

22:44

was being bad, my parents were like, well,

22:46

if you don't do this, you cannot watch

22:48

Glee this week. And I was like, no,

22:50

you guys don't understand. Don't take that away.

22:53

Seriously. I was like, if you take this away, you're taking

22:55

away like, what am I going to do? Oh,

22:57

no. But it was the

22:59

thing that like my parents would like get

23:01

me on track. But yeah, I

23:03

stayed true the whole time. I

23:06

really felt so seen. Spike Lee

23:08

and I felt a lot

23:10

of parallels happen. Oh my

23:12

gosh, not. I honestly was really

23:14

boring. So maybe not. But I

23:16

felt like emotionally. I get it. Parallels.

23:19

Parallels. Yeah. Oh

23:22

my gosh. OK, that makes

23:25

sense. That makes sense. And

23:27

then the show ended 2015, which

23:29

was my senior year of high

23:31

school. So I remember like, yeah,

23:33

it was like. feeling so many

23:35

feelings about like graduating high school and Glee

23:37

was ending and I was like my

23:39

childhood is over and I remember like sobbing

23:41

on the couch for like an hour

23:44

and my mom was like it's okay like

23:46

things end it's okay and I and

23:48

I just really so I really like feel

23:50

like Glee is like like a torch for

23:52

me in my teen years for sure. We

23:54

raised you for better for worse. Exactly.

23:56

We held your hand and walked you

23:58

through that. Exactly. And

24:01

told you to lose your virginity. Exactly.

24:05

We're real role models here, you

24:07

know? I loved I

24:09

loved it. At least you had the

24:11

filter enough to be like, well, not taking

24:13

that one with me, but what about you

24:15

Ian? So Glee started my freshman

24:18

year of high school. I was

24:20

the same age as Tina and Artie

24:22

until they did that slow motion

24:24

in seasons four and five. Right.

24:27

Truly, the Glee pilot was like

24:29

the pilot that rocked the world. I

24:32

did not watch the pilot live. The first

24:34

episode I watched live was Show Mance,

24:36

but it was because everyone was talking about

24:39

the pilot and everyone was telling me that

24:41

I would really like Glee. So I

24:43

jumped in at Show Mance. I didn't

24:45

see the pilot until I like bought

24:47

season one on DVD the next year, but

24:50

I was so obsessed.

24:53

I was, I did choir in high school. I

24:55

did like some community theater and I

24:57

was also closeted. So it was

24:59

like very much the show, just like,

25:02

although at the time I was, I was

25:04

like deeply, deeply closeted. But like the show

25:06

just really spoke to a lot of parts of

25:08

me and it was just so exciting. to,

25:12

I don't know, I was a big fan

25:14

of, this is so random,

25:16

of the TV shows. Like, I loved

25:18

the TV show, Pushing Daisies. Oh,

25:20

yeah. I

25:22

felt like we

25:24

had the

25:26

same vibe. Totally. Everyone

25:29

talked really fast and they were all very,

25:31

very funny, but with music. And

25:33

that was so thrilling to me. I

25:36

was so into it, it got to a

25:39

point where my parents had to put

25:41

a family rule that we weren't allowed to

25:43

listen to Glee in the car anymore.

25:45

Because it was literally all they would play.

25:47

And my parents were like, we love

25:49

you, but we can't take this anymore. We

25:51

have to listen to something else. We

25:53

can't listen to jump again. Not

25:56

jump being the one. I

25:58

love that cover. There were so many songs.

26:01

So many songs I knew because of Glee.

26:03

I remember like being at scout camp. And

26:05

the other scouts were singing, gives you hell.

26:08

And I was singing along and I was

26:10

like, little do they know, I don't know

26:12

the American read decks. That's

26:14

why I know this. I know it, but

26:17

I know the song. And

26:19

that's what's being, what's what it's like being

26:21

closeted in high school. Yes, it is exactly. The

26:24

Glee version. That's so

26:26

funny. I was on like the IMDB

26:28

message boards. I'm not getting like two

26:30

to three hours a day. Gossiping

26:32

what was going to happen next, looking at set

26:34

photos, what songs are going to be happening. I

26:37

remember a bunch of rumors from back

26:39

in the day that people were saying

26:41

on those message boards that are canon

26:43

to me because I got so

26:46

invested in them. I

26:49

was committed. You were in

26:51

it. So dedicated. Oh

26:53

my god. So funny. I didn't even

26:55

know. I

26:57

knew people were on like Twitter or

26:59

Tumblr and like Reddit and things. The

27:02

IMDB message board. That's like a deep

27:04

up, up. Real ones remember IMDB. Yeah,

27:06

you really do. Or they got discontinued. I

27:08

used to frequent those message boards, not for Glee,

27:10

but like back in the day for like

27:12

other things. And I was trying to find out

27:14

info about shows and movies that I like.

27:16

Yes. Yeah. Oh my god. This is me

27:18

typing. This is my hand motion. That was me. Of

27:20

course. You didn't even see it. I was like. Kevin

27:23

can't type anyone. I'm a really bad

27:25

typer. Are you? Oh, and

27:27

this. Sometimes I

27:29

take typing tests for fun. That's

27:31

fun. I love that. Like

27:33

once a month, I seriously

27:35

consider like buying a typing course. Oh

27:38

my gosh. You know, when you learn.

27:40

Yeah, I do. Yeah. I

27:43

learned when they used to put the

27:45

paper over your hands, like because

27:48

this is that way you didn't cheat and look. No,

27:51

that reminds me of like when I was

27:53

a little, well, not little, when I

27:55

was in high school and rent came out.

27:57

Rent was out at

27:59

like the height of its like phenomenon

28:01

too. And my dad was

28:03

like, no more Jenna, turn

28:05

it off. I can't anymore.

28:09

And I was like, just one more time,

28:11

I have to learn the words to love

28:13

you, but I have to. And he's like,

28:15

I just, I'm going to break the CD

28:17

in half if you don't stop listening to

28:19

this right now. Um,

28:21

that's, well, that's

28:23

very exciting. I'm, uh,

28:26

Jenna's also a gay man. Yeah,

28:28

of course. Yeah. Everyone

28:30

who watches Glee is on some level. I

28:33

would have started a podcast

28:35

if I wasn't on Glee about

28:37

that. Do you know

28:39

what I mean? Like that would have been me.

28:41

I would have too, but I think I would

28:43

have hated it. I think I would have been

28:45

dying for this show for sure. Um.

28:49

would have watched it. I think I would have hate

28:51

-watched it. I think if I

28:53

had auditioned for it and not gotten it,

28:55

maybe I would have hate -watched it. Do

28:58

you know what I mean? That's different, too.

29:00

We have a sour taste in my mouth. Years

29:02

later, he was like, so I auditioned firstly. Like

29:05

what? Yeah. Everybody

29:07

was auditioning for it. Yes, of course. I'm sure.

29:09

If I had a few years older, I

29:11

would have been doing the same thing. I

29:14

remember I was like in junior high, like

29:16

I'm going to get the. on this show. I

29:19

was like, from a small

29:21

town in Utah, there's no

29:23

way. But Glee makes you feel

29:26

like that, right? That was what Allie

29:28

Schoker said. Allie Schoker was like, I need it

29:30

on that show. And then she did. I

29:32

remember I was just too young to do the

29:34

Glee project because I really thought about it. Oh,

29:37

wow. Well, it

29:39

didn't happen. Did you both watch

29:41

the Glee Project? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And

29:43

we've done episodes on it as well for

29:45

the podcast. Really? Okay. What

29:47

are the feelings about it? Tell us.

29:50

Oh my gosh. I was so

29:52

into the Glee Project at the time. I

29:54

feel as though we think that the

29:56

structure like didn't make a lot of

29:58

sense, especially the first season when it

30:01

would be Ryan like getting to know

30:03

Damien McGinty week after week because he

30:05

was in the bottom that he like

30:07

wasn't seeing, especially the girls in the

30:09

top who like weren't getting called to

30:11

the bottom. So like the structure of

30:13

the show just didn't work, but we

30:15

love that show. We like

30:17

put it to the stay. There is

30:19

like a riff off that they do.

30:21

We love there's an interaction where two

30:23

contestants on that show are having a

30:25

competition to see if who's falsetto goes

30:27

higher. And it is like. It is

30:29

life or death to them. Stop. And

30:31

watching it, that's the reality TV I

30:33

want to be watching. what I'm invested

30:35

in. I mean, that's a very glee storyline. Exactly.

30:37

It's like the Legally Blonde one

30:39

they did, right? Yes, the Cerule

30:41

Woods. Cerule Woods, of course. Yeah,

30:44

you know I'm watching that. OK, I get

30:46

it. I would have watched Glee Project too.

30:48

I get it. OK. Glee Project is like

30:50

some of the best reality TV out there.

30:52

It's insane. I don't know, Kevin. Do we have to

30:54

do that? You should. You

30:57

should. I

30:59

will say our listenership severely

31:01

dropped when we covered the

31:03

Klee Project. No one

31:05

wanted to listen to our... Y 'all

31:08

were on Glee. People care so

31:10

much more about what you two say.

31:12

You'll be fine. I have to

31:14

hear your thoughts. I have to hear

31:16

your thoughts. dying.

31:18

I'm so curious. Oh God,

31:20

I need that little moment

31:22

of silence to play back

31:25

on Lou Justice. I

31:27

will say. Oh,

31:31

God, that was comedy.

31:34

His word to the wise. Oh, I'm

31:36

sweating. I

31:38

mean, we

31:41

were really thinking about it first.

31:43

I was like, do we need to

31:45

like recap this like show now?

31:47

Kevin's like, no, we're not. Oh my

31:49

God. It

31:53

felt crazy while we

31:56

were. Like this other

31:58

universe was happening while we were

32:00

doing this thing, you know, I

32:02

have a question When the Glee

32:04

project is filming because you know

32:06

every once in a while they'll

32:08

be like and here's your special

32:10

mentor Please welcome Kevin McHale. Right.

32:12

What were you doing? Like

32:15

what was your life like outside of that?

32:17

Were you touring? Were you filming the show

32:19

proper? Like what was going on that they

32:21

were filming the show? You

32:24

would like show up on

32:26

a Saturday to do those

32:28

Yeah, that's and so yeah,

32:30

we have all these conflicting

32:32

feelings about Glee project. I

32:34

think because of that, like

32:36

the context was like, we're

32:38

tired. What is this

32:40

other show that also feels a

32:43

little threatening that you're like getting

32:45

people to replace us? And then

32:47

yeah, that's what obviously that was not the

32:49

intent. But like, that's what it felt like

32:51

a little bit. And then they'd be like,

32:53

oh, on your like day and a half

32:55

off. that you have basically, can

32:57

you spend half a day going to

32:59

do this thing? And we're like, no. And

33:01

then Ryan would call and be like,

33:04

please do this. You got to go do

33:06

this thing. The truth

33:08

was here's the here's

33:10

the real truth about the

33:12

Glee project when it

33:14

was happening, or at least

33:16

from my perspective, was

33:18

like. And there were the American

33:20

idols, right? And that had like legitimized a

33:22

lot. It helped us kind of get our

33:24

audience. Like it was in the same vein. And

33:27

then, um, as

33:29

somebody who came in from theater, who

33:32

like was an actor, like, you know,

33:34

you're like, oh, these nobodies, but you're

33:36

like, but I've been working forever. I

33:38

worked really hard. Like I'm an actor,

33:40

right? And then you have

33:42

these people coming in from MySpace,

33:44

which is like a whole new

33:46

world to us. The internet was

33:48

like new, finding talent. Like there

33:50

wasn't like TikTok where they're pulling

33:52

artists off of that that are

33:54

now huge, huge artists, rightfully so.

33:57

It felt like you're like, oh, it

34:00

de -legitimizes Glee as this TV show and

34:02

makes it more of a reality thing

34:04

where you're like pulling people out of

34:06

nowhere and like middle America. No offense,

34:08

but like, you know, it's just one

34:10

of those things that like felt I

34:12

was like, keep digging that grave, Jenna.

34:17

We're taking notes. Yeah, exactly. You're

34:19

like, see you later. But

34:22

it just that's what it felt like

34:24

in that moment, because we now obviously

34:26

know and see the way that. this

34:28

industry works and talent comes from everywhere

34:31

and we have to find it and

34:33

we have the facility to find it.

34:35

But back then it just I was

34:37

like, don't do the legitimize glee like

34:39

our show. We like all are trained

34:41

actors, performers who like, you know

34:43

what I mean? We worked really hard to be here.

34:45

You know what I hear Jenna is that you hate middle

34:47

America. I'm

34:50

in middle America right now, Jenna.

34:52

Yeah. I hope you feel her

34:55

disdain for you right now.

34:57

I feel it. Wow, Jenna. Wow.

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36:32

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36:35

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36:37

core, which like,

36:39

I have complicated feelings about this, but

36:41

I'm a Rachel Berry fan through

36:43

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36:45

know that girl. Like, I feel

36:48

like anyone who has been in performing

36:50

arts at any time either was

36:52

Rachel Berry to some degree or newer

36:54

Rachel Berry. Like, I know the

36:56

girl who is, yes, very, very talented,

36:58

but doesn't know how to connect

37:00

with other people. And so, like, comes

37:02

off as really abrasive because the

37:05

only thing she's ever been praised for

37:07

is her talent. And so in

37:09

her brain. My value as a person

37:11

is my talent and nothing else.

37:13

And if someone threatens my talent, they

37:15

are threatening my value as a

37:17

person. I just find

37:19

her super interesting the whole time

37:21

for that reason. Yeah, I

37:24

like Rachel Moore when she is

37:26

on the bottom. Like,

37:28

you know, she is struggling to make

37:30

friends. People are, you know, bringing

37:32

her in, helping her see her worth. That's

37:34

when I find her the most rootable, most

37:36

compelling. Yeah. But I. I'm a Rachel Berry

37:38

fan at the end of the day. We

37:40

have favorite Rachel song. My

37:43

favorite Rachel song. Oh my gosh, what

37:45

a question or a couple or a

37:47

couple. It is a lot. That's yeah.

37:49

That's not fair. Yeah. No, no, no,

37:51

no, no. It's totally fair. And I

37:53

do think ultimately I mean, like, don't

37:55

write on my parade to define the

37:57

culture. You know, it's perfection change the

37:59

world. Yeah. But I think

38:01

my favorite favorite is probably faithfully. I

38:03

love that do out of faithfully. The

38:06

way we saw on tour,

38:08

listened to the two of them

38:10

do that live and we

38:13

like every night like so good.

38:16

So good. Never got old.

38:18

Never. No. Okay. That's

38:20

a good one. Yeah. You

38:22

know what about you? I would agree.

38:24

I would say that Rachel's probably my favorite character.

38:27

My favorite song in Glee is

38:29

kind of, I don't know. I

38:32

don't know what it is about this song,

38:34

but it. is my heart song. It lives in

38:36

my bones. Every time I hear it, I

38:38

can't help but dance. Every time I have a

38:40

bad day, like I have a real panic

38:42

attacks and Ian has turned this song on. I'm

38:44

not going to teach your boyfriend how to

38:46

dance with you. I love

38:48

that song so much. I can't even

38:50

express how much I love that song.

38:53

To me, it is like an amazing

38:55

song that like makes me want to

38:57

dance and I love it. But I

38:59

also love everything that's happening. Yeah.

39:01

I love like Sue

39:03

torturing arty. I love like

39:05

just like it just

39:07

to me is like I

39:10

Love that episode so

39:12

much and I just think

39:14

that's like one of

39:16

my favorite like moments of

39:18

glee ever. It's just

39:20

so Yeah, I think the

39:22

first time somebody said

39:24

that. Yeah, really? Oh, yeah,

39:26

for sure. Yeah Wow,

39:29

okay, do you have a

39:31

favorite Rachel song? I

39:33

would say Faithfully as well. And

39:36

this is why you are

39:38

co -host. Exactly. Exactly. I knew

39:40

he was going to say that because I would have

39:42

said that as well. I just

39:44

recorded an episode recently, yesterday. We recorded

39:46

an episode about some songs and our

39:48

lists were like almost exactly the same.

39:50

I didn't even bother putting in my

39:53

list to like the Google Doc. So

39:55

was like, this is... Yeah, we got

39:57

it. We got it. I'm like, you

39:59

put in 30 songs. three of them

40:01

are different. Like what exactly? I don't

40:03

understand. Ian, do you have

40:05

a favorite favorite song from Glee? I

40:07

do. I do want to say first,

40:09

just because you're on this call with

40:11

me and I heard you being complimented

40:13

on this the other day on the

40:15

podcast and you were downplaying it in

40:17

my top five must listen to songs

40:19

is I always want to call it

40:21

the wrong name. Hold up. More than

40:23

a feeling. from City of Angels. 100

40:26

percent. You sound literally like one

40:28

of the best vocal performances on the

40:30

entire show. Yes. Incredible. And

40:32

when I watch the MP4, like when

40:34

I watch the video, it makes me

40:36

cry. Yes. I don't know how you

40:38

were feeling in the moment, but you

40:40

seem to be radiating such joy in

40:42

that number. It is so nice. It

40:44

messes me up. Thank you. You shared

40:46

the other day of like. just someone

40:49

filming from the back of the auditorium.

40:51

Oh, yeah. God, so powerful. Holy

40:53

moly. That whole setlist is one

40:55

of the best in the show, in my opinion. It's

40:57

amazing. Yeah. Like, Jenna,

40:59

do you not feel like you

41:02

sound great on that set? No,

41:04

no, I'm proud of it. I'm

41:06

definitely proud of it. It's one

41:08

of my prouder numbers, for sure.

41:10

I just I have such an

41:12

emotional attachment to that. that

41:15

competition. I think

41:17

it's the best one we've ever

41:19

done musically. I think emotionally,

41:21

obviously, some found what I'm looking for

41:23

got us all. Kevin and I could

41:25

cry like the drop of a hat

41:28

watching that. But I didn't think it

41:30

was like out of the realm of

41:32

something like super, super different than I've

41:34

done before. So I was kind of

41:36

surprised. I'm like, oh, I don't feel

41:38

like this is like... different from what

41:40

Tina has done. You can sing your

41:42

face off and you can belt and

41:44

stay up there and your voice is

41:46

so high. Yeah. And you

41:49

never get to. I don't think you

41:51

got to showcase that very often.

41:53

That's very kind. I think that that

41:55

song, especially you singing that style

41:57

of music, strangely fits your voice perfectly.

42:00

You know, it's funny. I appreciate that a

42:02

lot. I really do. And I am

42:04

proud of that song. And I like that

42:06

song. It's a good original. song like

42:08

I'm I'm like yes a great song to

42:10

cover that's exciting to me too. I

42:13

think as I went on in the

42:15

show Kevin and maybe you can you

42:17

can back me up here tell me

42:19

differently like I feel like I got

42:21

more comfortable in my own like skin

42:23

and and like in my voice in

42:25

the recordings too because it's so different

42:27

than stage and I think I just

42:30

like didn't give, I had like zero

42:32

F stick give. So I just was

42:34

like, let's just do this. And

42:36

like even, um, Andrew

42:38

from, uh, uh,

42:40

thank you. Oh my God. Uh,

42:42

sorry. My mom brain is crazy. Uh, he

42:45

was like, so far away is a really good

42:47

song. And I was like, Oh my God. I

42:50

don't, I don't remember recording that. I

42:52

was like, I was on that. It's me

42:54

and Diana only. And

42:57

I listened to it and

42:59

I was like, that's my voice.

43:01

And it's different than season one, season

43:03

two, season three, Tina. Something happened.

43:05

I had a similar thing happen to

43:08

me though. My voice changed in

43:10

like season five. And I think it

43:12

was because I don't know maybe

43:14

it's because we were like the old

43:16

people and the new people. And

43:18

so like our place made us feel

43:20

more confident and comfortable and also

43:22

efficiency. Like if we just sing

43:24

this as hard as possible immediately, we're out

43:27

of the recording studio. It's

43:29

so true. I love that. is what you're getting,

43:31

bitch. Yeah, let me just do this. Sorry,

43:34

Ian. We totally derailed, but you're talking about

43:36

your favorite stuff. Yeah, I am. Sorry. Actually,

43:38

I do. Leigh Ann and I made a

43:40

promise each other that we would bring this

43:42

up at some point. And it is organic

43:44

a segment on our show where like we

43:46

love to talk about and especially it just.

43:49

It hurts us and bothers us so much

43:51

that like all the Tina songs get cut

43:53

off. We are hurt

43:55

and bothered by the character assassination. We

43:57

are hurt and bothered by a lot of the

44:00

treatment of Tina Cohen Chang. We wrote her a song.

44:02

Any time that like we're discussing a moment

44:04

in the show that we're like, why

44:06

would they do this to Tina? We played

44:08

this song. Hopefully you can hear it. It's

44:19

our Tina Cohen jingle. And

44:22

we'll go play the jingle, like, because

44:24

we're so angry and upset. We were filled

44:26

with a righteous indignation for what they did

44:28

to your character. Give us

44:30

I follow rivers the whole track.

44:32

Guys are watering. What?

44:36

Release revolution. Can

44:38

you play that one more time? I

44:40

need to hear that one more

44:42

time. That please. You saying that is

44:44

the worst part of my entire

44:46

day. You sound so good on the.

44:48

Five seconds, thank you. Also,

44:51

the brown dress is iconic. Come

44:53

on. I love that brown dress.

44:55

Wait, okay, play this. Here's round

44:57

two. Tina,

44:59

they did you so

45:01

wrong. Tina, Chloe

45:03

and Shane. Well,

45:06

number one, I'm

45:08

honored. Honored

45:11

that Gina got her own

45:13

jingle. God bless. I'm

45:15

so tickled by that. It

45:17

really made my day. I

45:19

think that's my new ringtone. I

45:24

need that. I

45:27

really love it. I love it. That has

45:29

to be my ringtone. My phone's on silent,

45:31

but I will take it off silent for

45:33

that. So much joy. Oh,

45:35

that's so sweet, you guys. You

45:37

know, we've moved into it. We just,

45:39

we laugh because you have to. And

45:43

also it was like part of

45:45

it. I kind of like learned outside

45:47

of it. Now rewatching it, I

45:49

have less rage about it than I

45:51

did when I was inside of

45:53

it. Cause you're like, what's wrong with

45:55

me? I hate me so much.

45:57

But like, you know, when you look

46:00

at it, it's like the jokes

46:02

now are, it's. she's crazy and like

46:04

we love her for it and

46:06

we're just gonna we're leaning into it

46:08

it's a bit of a snake

46:10

eating itself though or is it the

46:12

chicken and the egg metaphor i

46:14

don't know but it's sort of like

46:17

is she crazy because right did

46:19

they make her crazy yeah and then

46:21

they leaned into it like the

46:23

The treatment of Tina, the whole series

46:25

drives me crazy. But the one

46:27

that is most egregious to me is

46:29

prop season three, which is pitched

46:31

as this is the episode where Tina

46:34

finally gets her moment. Yeah. The

46:36

moral of the episode. know,

46:38

I know. Tina, you should shut up

46:40

and wait your turn. Take your time.

46:42

Yeah. You're going to lead the club

46:44

next year. Q season four, episode one,

46:46

Blaine and Marley are chosen as the

46:48

leaders of the club. Wow. My blood

46:50

boil. She also is like. I'm just

46:52

going to sit back and be a

46:54

prop and be in the background because

46:56

it takes a lot of people to

46:58

make a thing. And I was like,

47:00

don't give up on yourself, Tina. Don't

47:03

do that. I

47:05

do feel like, though, she does get

47:07

her moments in season five. I

47:09

really do. And more than a feeling,

47:11

I get it. I do feel

47:13

like she does get her time to

47:15

shine or she just requests it

47:17

because I was just like, watch

47:20

out. bitches here I come because

47:22

you imagine in season one that Tina

47:24

would have been belting like that

47:26

and more than a feeling like that

47:28

is a That's a whole different

47:30

person. It's crazy. It's amazing. Well long

47:32

way a long journey from your

47:34

Favorite one of your favorite songs. I

47:36

I'm honored for the Tina jingle.

47:38

I'm also honored about more than a

47:40

feeling but that Yeah, that whole

47:42

competition, that whole season for us, I'm

47:44

sure you've heard us talk about

47:47

it before, but we just had, Kevin

47:49

and I just had a ball. There

47:52

was something about just

47:54

releasing everything into all the

47:56

crap and just being

47:58

like, here we are, we're

48:00

still here in school. Like,

48:03

we're still here. We found out that we were

48:05

gonna be juniors at Comic Con on a panel

48:07

in front of thousands of people. We were like,

48:09

okay, and I know Kevin was smart enough to

48:11

be like, well, that's another year of work. And

48:13

I'm like, no, Jenna, you say thank you and

48:15

collect the check. I was like,

48:17

well, at least Kevin and I are there together.

48:20

I'm like, they're not getting rid of the high

48:22

school yet. I'm like, this show is called Glee.

48:24

After a Glee Club. I'm

48:26

like, you stay. I'm

48:28

like, they need us because we

48:30

are nice and normal in there. had

48:33

so much fun with those, with those, uh,

48:35

those newbies and we had such a great

48:37

time. So. Okay, Ian, favorite

48:39

song. Oh my gosh, so much anticipation

48:41

will ever live up. I know, I

48:44

know. Um, it was me that derailed

48:46

it. Don't worry. My favorite song in

48:48

all of Glee is the adult mashup

48:50

in season three. It is also like.

48:52

But this is my favorite scene. It

48:54

is like musically. It's really unique. It's

48:56

improving both songs, in my opinion.

48:59

Nine Ambers sound amazing. And

49:01

then story wise, yeah, the stakes of

49:03

like Santana just found out that

49:05

she's about to be outed to her

49:07

entire town and now has to

49:09

go on stage and sing a song.

49:11

Yes. Those are the highest stakes

49:14

in the world. Yes. An incredible performance.

49:16

Yes. Agreed. Absolutely. We

49:18

don't get a lot of that either.

49:20

That whole thing of something's been read.

49:22

There's a lot of revealing and secrets

49:24

being told on the show. But that

49:26

in -between moment where it's like time stands

49:28

still and you're watching Nia act her

49:30

ass off. And she like has those

49:32

little moments where she glances over at

49:34

Brittany and they share this kind of

49:37

knowing looks. It gives me chills. It's

49:39

so good. It's so good. Yeah.

49:42

And the trouble turns, I mean. Oh,

49:44

yeah. Oh, yeah. I

49:46

mean, we needed like seven more

49:48

seasons. I think this maybe will turn

49:50

into a troubled on spot cast. Yeah,

49:53

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a little closer Together. We

51:12

talk extensively about season five

51:14

and six. Do you have

51:16

some greatest hits for one through four

51:19

of favorite episodes or storylines or

51:21

things that you guys especially love to

51:23

talk about? Yes, yes.

51:26

We do differ our rankings at the

51:28

very end of covering all the seasons.

51:31

We we did like our best and

51:33

worst of everything and we ranked all

51:35

the seasons and our season rankings are. identical

51:37

except that we disagree on the

51:40

order of our top two. Yeah.

51:43

I like season two the most. And he

51:45

likes season one the most. Obviously, we

51:47

love them both, but those are our top

51:49

two. That feels like a tough big

51:51

love for top four season two. Yeah. I

51:54

hear that. I know that that

51:56

definitely clicks for me. I feel

51:58

like I mean, I think we'd

52:00

pick one, Kevin, just because, right?

52:04

I think so. But But it's two

52:06

is a close contender. Yeah.

52:09

Yeah. I don't even know how I honestly ranked.

52:11

Yeah, I don't have to figure it out

52:13

though. It was hard. It was really hard for

52:15

us to do and we weren't involved at

52:17

all. So I don't hear you. What was your

52:19

least favorite? I think

52:21

I said season four. We both

52:24

said four was it was what we said.

52:26

Yeah. Wow. It's so

52:28

funny. Yeah. Hmm.

52:31

I liked season four. Like

52:33

a lot. Or I like

52:35

when we discuss season four, I like

52:37

literally just listen to our episode

52:39

because I want to remind myself of

52:41

what my opinions are. I know,

52:44

I get it. We get it. And

52:46

we do say that, like, there

52:48

are some season four episodes that are

52:50

like some of our favorite in

52:52

the entire series, like the break up.

52:54

Exactly. The break up is excellent. There's

52:56

a lot of like, I like dynamic

52:59

duets a lot. Diva is amazing, frankly. Tina's

53:01

arc in the back half of season four

53:03

is so much fun. Yeah, it's a solid

53:05

one. But I feel like season

53:08

four has a bit of an identity

53:10

crisis where it's like, OK, the show is

53:12

now different, and what is the show

53:14

going forward? And at least in my opinion,

53:16

it takes them a little bit to

53:18

solidify what is the show now. I

53:20

still like season four, but that

53:22

is why it looks. I see what

53:24

you mean, though. That makes sense.

53:27

It's always a new venture for the

53:29

show, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

53:31

And it wasn't nailed out of the

53:33

gate for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

53:35

There's some growing pains. So

53:37

now you guys are taking a sharp

53:39

turn to the left and you're

53:41

exiting the Glee world. Yes. Yeah.

53:43

You're saying goodbye to Glee. It's

53:45

time. You're moving

53:47

on. You're graduating, if you will.

53:49

Yeah. Yeah. From McKinley. How

53:52

do you feel about it and where are you going? I

53:55

feel... Excited and also

53:57

so sad. We

53:59

finished our coverage of season

54:01

six last year in January. Wow.

54:04

We continued to talk about it.

54:07

We've like done a lot of, we've

54:09

called them glee wines. We've like

54:11

gone back and like looked at all

54:13

the school dance episodes. We like

54:15

covered all the Alfonso Gomez Rejon episodes.

54:17

We like did a bunch of

54:19

like different hearings, like all the coming

54:21

out episodes. Yes, yes. So we

54:24

really We have talked about Glee so

54:26

much and I feel so sad

54:28

to be leaving it, but I also

54:30

feel excited for something new. But

54:33

yeah, mostly I just keep I

54:35

keep crying all the time. So

54:38

much to me and but we

54:40

are excited to talk about something

54:42

new and have some fun. Like

54:44

truly Glee is like one of our

54:46

favorite shows of all time and we

54:48

could talk about it forever. But it

54:51

got to the point. mainly for our

54:53

listeners that we'd be saying stuff and

54:55

be like, have we said this exact

54:57

opinion four times already? Oh, Jenna and

54:59

I do that every episode. Yeah, literally,

55:01

literally. People

55:03

are still here. Yeah, we're just parrots.

55:06

We have three thoughts, and we just repeat

55:08

them in different orders every episode. And

55:10

I will just repeat Ian's thoughts as well.

55:12

I will parrot back his thoughts. I'll

55:14

just reword it. I'm like, oh yeah, I

55:16

totally think. Same. Circular listening, I do

55:18

the same thing. Yeah, exactly. So

55:20

we are going to cover Buffy

55:22

the Vampire Slayer next. Yay. Exciting.

55:26

And you guys collect exactly

55:28

like. We were

55:30

heavily considering it already, and

55:32

then the reboot was announced. We

55:34

were like, this is so different. Load it

55:36

up. We gotta go. guys

55:38

have your finger on the pulse. You do. You did

55:41

it with Kali. And now you're in the puffy. We've

55:44

got good times again.

55:46

the trendsetters of taste makers.

55:48

Exactly. Okay,

55:51

before we let you guys go, we

55:53

have a question we always ask at

55:55

the end of the podcast and we

55:57

want to know what is the feeling

55:59

that Glee leaves you or that you're

56:01

leaving Glee with? You

56:07

tickled yourself, Jenna. I did. You

56:10

know, it's that time in the

56:12

afternoon where it's either coffee or

56:14

make yourself laugh. You know, I

56:16

love that. I think for me.

56:19

Oh my gosh. It's so A, I

56:22

can't believe I'm here. I'm so honored to be here.

56:24

Thank you so much. And we seriously, this

56:26

is a huge moment for us. And thank

56:28

you the, oh my gosh. So I'm, I

56:30

feel like there were so

56:32

many moments growing up. There

56:34

were so many moments, even

56:36

like in my adulthood where

56:38

I felt as though I

56:40

like didn't have anyone to

56:42

like express. this like

56:44

artistic side of myself, like

56:46

the Glee side of myself too.

56:49

And I went to Glee

56:51

for a feeling of home and

56:53

a feeling of like, like

56:55

understanding. So I feel incredibly at

56:57

home by the Glee world and the

56:59

McKinley world. So that's, that's how

57:01

I, that's the feeling that I feel.

57:03

That's a good one. We

57:06

really are co -hosts. I was

57:08

going to say the feeling that

57:10

Glee leaves me with is the

57:12

feeling of being seen. I just

57:14

like 14 year old me had

57:16

never, I don't think like seen

57:18

characters that I related to so

57:20

much. And something that I love

57:22

about Glee is it allows its

57:24

characters to be ugly at times.

57:26

Like it allows them to make

57:28

mistakes. It allows them to have

57:30

imperfections, but it always has so

57:32

much empathy for its characters. It

57:34

helped me one, like love the

57:36

weird parts of myself, but then

57:39

like, If I made a mistake,

57:41

it was like, that's okay. You

57:43

can apologize and move on. There's

57:45

so many moments in the show

57:47

where a character says something that

57:49

resonates so deeply with me or

57:51

that I am actively watching the

57:53

show and I do something while

57:55

watching. And then the camera cuts

57:57

to like Kurt and he's doing

57:59

the exact same thing. Yeah. It

58:02

just it is truly like the show

58:04

for every performing arts kid in the world.

58:07

Yes. Yeah. Two incredible

58:09

answers. Yeah. That was so

58:11

sweet. It's

58:13

been, it was so nice to

58:15

have you guys on. Thank you for

58:17

doing your podcast and your show,

58:19

keeping the glee alive. I'm gonna need

58:22

to go listen to that Alfonzo

58:24

episode. We do

58:26

it in two parts. We

58:28

do it in two parts. We have

58:30

time. It might be five hours

58:32

altogether. If anyone ever doubted how serious

58:34

you were about your love for

58:36

Glee, you have a two -part Alfonso

58:38

episode. Fonzie was the best. And I

58:40

thought his episodes were so beautifully

58:42

shot. And they did take forever to

58:44

shoot. I will tell you that. They

58:47

were just, you knew he was coming and

58:49

you knew it was going to be a long

58:51

day. But you knew it was gonna be

58:53

beautiful. We were like, we

58:55

just know it's gonna be great. It's

58:57

gonna look great. It's gonna look

58:59

great. There's so many like

59:01

crane shots. Yes. Yes. Moving

59:03

out of the way. Such a vision for

59:05

the lockers. Yes. Yes. You get it.

59:07

You get it. We just knew we were

59:09

like, oh, it's the no fawns and

59:11

we're going to be here for a while.

59:14

Oh my gosh, I'm sure. Oh,

59:16

my gosh. We loved him, though. We loved

59:18

him. We really do. It's so wonderful. Sweet,

59:20

sweet, man. We also, wow,

59:22

we call him the fawns on

59:25

our podcast. That was our little... Fancy

59:27

was our... I don't know if he likes being

59:29

called Fancy, but we still... We did it anyway!

59:32

He had a lot of us. We had a lot

59:34

of episodes of his and we were like, he just

59:36

keeps coming back. It's like,

59:38

I don't know why he likes us, but here

59:41

we are. So talented. So talented. Well,

59:43

thank you guys so, so much. And

59:45

it's so nice to meet you. And please

59:47

come back again. And

59:49

we'll, we'll see you soon.

59:51

And please go listen to

59:54

Recovering Gleeks. And there's

59:56

lots and lots of Glee. Oh

59:58

yeah. Lots

1:00:00

of great things to listen to.

1:00:02

Also Buffy. Coming up coffee coming up

1:00:04

like a whole new slew of

1:00:06

fans and listeners. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:08

Like are the Gleeks listening watching Buffy

1:00:10

because they shut they shut. Well, you're going

1:00:12

to tell them to you're going to

1:00:14

tell them what heaven. Oh

1:00:16

my God. Have you Jenna? Oh

1:00:20

my gosh, it's on Hulu. It's a

1:00:22

really good job. We really love this. So

1:00:24

not our place, but you have to. It's

1:00:27

your place. No, no, no, no. I know

1:00:29

Sarah. And so I. Oh my God. I

1:00:32

haven't seen you know her like that.

1:00:34

Yeah. But I don't know.

1:00:36

You have so many secrets. You know

1:00:38

so many people. love to hear who

1:00:40

you know. I still can't

1:00:42

get over the episode where

1:00:44

you just like casually talked about

1:00:46

being Lady Gaga in her

1:00:48

like playing her new music for

1:00:50

you. I think

1:00:52

about it all the time. I'm

1:00:54

insane. Speaking of which, this just

1:00:56

came up in another conversation. And

1:00:58

Jenna, I had a flashback of. I

1:01:01

could have said this in the episode here

1:01:03

we go again the circular of my I

1:01:05

don't know but us standing in the living

1:01:07

room and Like you being like I don't

1:01:10

know what to do. They're not letting me

1:01:12

out of the show. What do I what

1:01:14

do I tell Steph? I'm like Steph Yeah,

1:01:16

what do I tell her because like she's

1:01:18

texting me and like I can't Ryan's like

1:01:20

they're not gonna let me do it and

1:01:22

I'm like Jenna there has to be a

1:01:24

way like you have no we were like

1:01:27

I remember where I was sitting in the

1:01:29

living room when you paced it back and

1:01:31

forth. Coming up the stairs make they're not

1:01:33

letting me do it. You're so mad. And

1:01:36

we're like, get Ryan, get Gaga

1:01:38

to call Ryan. That's what it

1:01:40

was. And you said, you told her, you're

1:01:42

like, I think if you call Ryan, then

1:01:44

she's gonna, then he's gonna. He did. And

1:01:46

it happened within the hour. It

1:01:49

was so, it was

1:01:51

like purely like gay

1:01:53

friends sitting there, being

1:01:55

like. You have

1:01:57

to figure it out. She's

1:02:02

the best. I know. I

1:02:04

know. But honestly, she was

1:02:06

just the best. She went

1:02:08

away one week into Atlanta

1:02:10

and came back. So Steph

1:02:12

and I stopped who? That

1:02:15

is, I'm sure you didn't mean it

1:02:17

this way, but that's such a power

1:02:19

move. I heard not only by her

1:02:21

government name, but a nickname of her

1:02:23

government name. Yes. Honestly,

1:02:26

the other day when she was on the lie

1:02:28

detector thing, she said, I love the actor's ugly.

1:02:30

I knew she was talking about you, Jenna. Yeah,

1:02:32

same. I was like, she's thinking

1:02:34

about Jenna. She's are you a Gleek?

1:02:36

She's like, what's a Gleek? And then she's

1:02:38

like, oh, she would see it. She's

1:02:40

like, I'm going to get reimbursed. She's

1:02:43

like, this is, this is LGBTQ

1:02:45

like I am there. I have

1:02:47

to know what this is. In

1:02:49

2025, I have to be Gleek. No, no, I

1:02:51

know, I know them. I like them. I

1:02:54

love them so much. Do you

1:02:56

remember when we first met her at

1:02:58

MTV? And it was like

1:03:00

early, bad romance was about to come out.

1:03:03

And we walked past her and

1:03:05

she was in her full freak.

1:03:07

And she just goes, hello,

1:03:09

cast of glee. And

1:03:13

she was in her tour, weird.

1:03:15

We were on our music tour. That's right. And

1:03:18

I was looking at her like, who

1:03:20

is this? Yeah,

1:03:22

who is this? Wild. Just cut

1:03:24

to Kevin doing applause. Thank

1:03:27

you guys so, so

1:03:29

much. Thank you. Thank you

1:03:31

for your years of

1:03:33

service. I would do it

1:03:35

again. Good luck

1:03:37

with Buffy. We'll

1:03:40

have to check back in and

1:03:42

see how Buffy's going. Yes, for sure.

1:03:45

Maybe we'll watch it. Maybe we'll watch it.

1:03:47

Okay, great. Maybe. Also,

1:03:52

just calling her Sarah, I'm like, she

1:03:54

has three names. She

1:03:57

is always Sarah Michelle

1:03:59

Geller. I can't just say

1:04:01

Sarah. Sarah does not represent Sarah Michelle

1:04:03

Geller. No, no, no, for sure. That's her.

1:04:05

That's the 90s. Jenna, insane. Thank

1:04:09

you both so, so much. Thanks for

1:04:11

putting up with us. Thanks for loving Glee

1:04:13

as much as you do. Yes. Thank

1:04:15

you. Thank you so much for having us

1:04:17

on. Oh, my God. We'll have to

1:04:19

do it again. I know. We'll do it

1:04:21

again. You're a pure joy. Yeah.

1:04:24

Thank you. Thank you

1:04:26

guys so much. Bye. And

1:04:28

they have matching shirts. So

1:04:30

cute. Thank

1:04:32

you both so much. Thank

1:04:35

you. Bye. It's

1:04:37

so nice. I just like love doing. uh,

1:04:40

podcast crossovers other than rewatches

1:04:42

or like with fans. Like

1:04:44

it's just, this is

1:04:46

what it's all about. And it just

1:04:48

makes me so happy. And they're

1:04:50

so sweet and so funny. And they

1:04:53

really know more about Glee than

1:04:55

we do. So. Oh yeah. And they

1:04:57

think deeply about it. Yes. They

1:04:59

talk about it a lot. They have

1:05:01

Alfonso episodes. I mean, we don't

1:05:03

even have Alfonso episodes. No, we haven't

1:05:05

even had Alfonso on this show

1:05:07

yet. We've tried. Yeah, we have. Thanks

1:05:10

for listening, you guys, and

1:05:12

we love, we love you

1:05:14

guys. Thank you to

1:05:16

Recovering Gleek Podcast, Ian and Lena

1:05:18

for coming on the show, for

1:05:20

sharing all of their Glee,

1:05:22

I was going to say Glee

1:05:25

Trauma, they don't have Glee Trauma,

1:05:27

we do.