0:00

The mayor is the second most powerful

0:02

position in America. Do you know

0:04

like what happened with Epstein? As Obama

0:06

said, if you say it, they gotta

0:09

kill you. Oh wait, so do

0:11

you know? No, no, I have no

0:13

idea. So tell us what happened with

0:15

the migrant crisis. Oh great question, so

0:18

let's talk about the migrants. This cost

0:20

us seven billion dollars. This was

0:22

the tipping point where I decided I

0:24

got to publicly criticize the Biden administration.

0:27

Yeah, so listen, and I don't

0:29

want to get conspiratorial. After you come

0:31

out, all of a sudden, the

0:33

Justice Department looks into Eric out

0:35

and there's this thing about Turkish airlines,

0:37

right? Do you think there's any

0:39

connection to those two things? You're done

0:42

right, I do. I've seen a theory,

0:44

but there's a permanent government. Is

0:46

this like what people refer to? And

0:48

I think this word has been used

0:51

too much, but like the deep

0:53

state or whatever it is. It's not

0:55

used too much. It's real, brother. May

0:57

has come and go. President's coming,

0:59

go. Permanent government is real. And

1:01

whoever's trying to act like it's

1:04

not real, they're alive. Which borough

1:06

has the most attractive women? I

1:08

think all of them have gray

1:10

shorties. This is awesome. Thank you so much.

1:12

Yeah, born and raised New Yorkers Alex and

1:14

I Okay, so far away, away, far

1:17

off of the rock. I probably

1:19

know you're a shortie. This, this,

1:21

this girl got to be so

1:23

gas right now. She got me

1:25

telling everybody, I'm your shortie and

1:28

far rock. Do we know who

1:30

that girl is? And she, they,

1:32

you know, it's like there, what's

1:34

that story? It was that short

1:36

I used to come on with,

1:39

with the real, someone. The real

1:41

world. No, the truth. They asked

1:43

the person, the panelist questions, and

1:45

they said with the real whoever

1:47

is standing up. Oh, yeah. I

1:49

forgot his truth. This is true.

1:51

Something like true. Line of me, maybe.

1:53

Yeah. Now I'll get the name

1:55

of it to come to me when

1:58

I come on. So, you know, probably

2:00

everybody's running around and saying, I'm

2:02

a shortie, I'm a shortie, you know,

2:04

so. So you have a lot of

2:07

other girls claiming that they're the

2:09

shortie. So it's possible there could be

2:11

multiple shorties on far run. We

2:13

made that sure once on and he's

2:16

like, it's too far. We got girls

2:18

in Jamaica. Guys, it's not the

2:20

show. Today, our illustrious guest is a

2:22

true New York success story. I

2:24

don't know if this has ever happened

2:27

before. I don't know if it'll ever

2:29

happen again. From my. he went

2:31

from literally one of the dudes doing

2:33

the squeegee on your car when you

2:36

have to stop signing you don't

2:38

want it to mayor of New York

2:40

City give it up for Eric

2:42

Adams okay is that is that true

2:44

about the squeegee you know the back

2:47

then you had to be creative

2:49

to you know just help the family

2:51

right and you know I think

2:53

that is what The total sum of

2:55

your life experiences Yeah, allowed you to

2:58

be whomever you are like you

3:00

all of you you sit in the

3:02

room you guys are successful But think

3:04

about the total the total of

3:06

all of your experiences. Yeah, of course

3:09

get in here sit out and

3:11

have real authentic conversations That's why people

3:13

connect with your show. Yeah, because of

3:15

you know, it's just an authentic

3:17

conversation. Do this is this is one

3:20

of the things that we were you

3:22

know as we were doing like

3:24

prepped for this I'm watching all these

3:26

videos from you on I'm like

3:28

I'm so curious like are you aware

3:31

of the moments you have that go

3:33

viral? Like, you know, like, does

3:35

it hit you? Like, it hits, because

3:37

you say some stuff, like, obviously,

3:39

the Shorty and Far Rock thing was

3:42

crazy, right? But there are other things

3:44

you say, like, remember when you,

3:46

we have the video, I almost want

3:49

you to watch it, like, when you

3:51

were teaching the parents how to

3:53

find drugs and they were, right? Yes.

3:55

As a baby dog, it could

3:57

be just a baby dog, but also

4:00

it could be a place where you

4:02

can secrete or hide drugs. I

4:04

mean, I'll hold over the pillows. Those

4:06

are the pillows, those are pillows.

4:08

Like this with a button. Oh, the

4:11

button. I felt something bumpy. I will

4:13

reach it. It's just a pillow.

4:15

Oh, damn, sorry. Look how fine I

4:17

lose. Now, each one of those scenarios

4:20

that you saw, the gun in

4:22

the pillow, the baby dog, those were

4:24

real scenarios. Yeah, you, that people,

4:26

people who either was arrested, because a

4:28

lot of people don't know if your

4:31

child or someone in your household

4:33

is doing something improper, they come in

4:35

and they do a warrant, they

4:37

taking everybody. Right, right. And so parents

4:39

often didn't even know what was happening

4:42

in their home. And so I

4:44

said, you know what, I'm getting all

4:46

these stories. So I said, we're going

4:48

to do a video to show.

4:50

How do you just go through and

4:53

see what's in your house? Because

4:55

you know, children are slick. And there's

4:57

a lot of indicators. Like if you

4:59

see a cut straw with a

5:01

point on the tip of it, the

5:04

average parent don't know what that

5:06

is. I don't know what that is.

5:08

It's sniffing, you sniffed, you sniffed a

5:10

cold. Back then. Yeah. a lot

5:12

of pushback from those who were saying,

5:15

oh, you know, you're violating the rights.

5:17

Listen in the hood, man, you,

5:19

this is real stuff, man. This is,

5:22

don't, don't tell me the life

5:24

you're living. I'm telling you the life

5:26

in the... You say you're violating your

5:28

kids' rights? Like, I feel like

5:30

in your house, your kids... How many

5:33

times do I have to say

5:35

that? Were you because this is an

5:37

interesting story right like you you started

5:39

as a kid and like I'm

5:41

doing some research and like you had

5:44

it kind of tough upbringing you were

5:46

doing some kind of I mean

5:48

around some wild stuff is how you

5:50

were saying that and now the

5:52

question is is is is why you

5:55

know when you wake up every morning

5:57

there was a ritual like I

5:59

have a ritual now that I do

6:01

every morning yeah when you woke

6:03

up every morning what you woke up

6:06

every morning what's the ritual does it

6:08

have to do with the crystals

6:10

because we got some crystals for you

6:12

because stones have a lot of energy

6:15

and I want to share that

6:17

we got a lot to talk about

6:19

an hour That's the way to

6:21

start the morning. But I just start

6:23

the morning, every morning, praying, you know,

6:26

God don't make me read. God

6:28

don't make you read in school because

6:30

I was just like that right right

6:32

yeah and if I read something

6:34

and stumbled over the words the whole

6:37

day you know kids are cute

6:39

but you know what no the room

6:41

they were they would say let's act

6:43

like we're Eric reading they would

6:45

stumble over the you know right and

6:48

so the whole day you would

6:50

go to the words right when you

6:52

look at when you have just like

6:55

cut that to him right it

6:57

mixes up it mixes up And so

6:59

it was to me, I was like,

7:01

listen, why are you going to

7:03

school, man? Why are you going in

7:06

classroom every day? Then I just

7:08

started, you know, doing numbers back then

7:10

before numbers were legal. What does that

7:12

mean to people? Because I think

7:14

like running numbers means like what? There's

7:17

like some people that are running

7:19

a gambling ring and you're making sure

7:21

that they get those? Great question. Great

7:23

question. Yeah, how does that even

7:25

work? There was a, you look at

7:28

a newspaper at the racetracks and you

7:30

see these last three numbers digits

7:32

and you could bet on what those

7:34

last three digits were going to

7:36

be. You know, so it's a gambling

7:39

ring. I've heard about this and I

7:41

definitely heard that it no longer

7:43

exists in the Dominican neighborhoods. They definitely

7:45

don't have their own gambling rate

7:47

or lottery system. So that's what the

7:50

lottery would be. Exactly. If you could

7:52

predict those numbers, they're privatized. 50

7:54

cents, 25 cents would give you a

7:56

certain dollar amount, 50 cents, give you

7:59

a certain dollar amount, 50 cents,

8:01

give you a certain amount. So you

8:03

walk around with these slips, you

8:05

go around the community, they come inside

8:07

the stores, and they say, okay, I

8:10

think $3. there were newspapers that

8:12

were in the community, whole industry, around

8:14

numbers. Like giving you advice on

8:16

the numbers? And so when I learned

8:18

later in life, like I learned that

8:21

was dyslexic in college, and I

8:23

heard a young lady listening to a

8:25

documentary on dyslexia, and I took it

8:28

out, and I said, wait a

8:30

minute, man, I'm not dumb, I'm dyslexic.

8:32

So I went from a... D

8:34

student to a A student once I

8:36

learn. Now, when you look at all

8:39

these young people who are incarcerated,

8:41

30 to 40% of them across the

8:43

country are dyslexic or have a

8:45

learning disability. Wow. So if you feel

8:47

they're struggling in school, there's no other

8:50

opportunity. Like a pipeline. Uh, that's

8:52

it. They go. So the crime is

8:54

not only what they did on the

8:56

street. is what we're doing to

8:58

them. Right, so being able to diagnose

9:01

these things earlier, same with like

9:03

mental health, a lot of people say,

9:05

yeah. Right now we're doing dyslexia screening,

9:07

so we're catching a young person

9:09

and giving them the services that they

9:12

need, that they don't feel like

9:14

they're done. How do you fix dyslexia?

9:16

What do you do? What do you

9:18

do? All you do is learn

9:20

differently. your mind process because the words

9:23

are mumbled the letters are mumble jumble

9:25

mixed up yeah but you once

9:27

you learn how to process and learn

9:29

differently how you learn you can

9:31

reorganize exactly exactly and so that led

9:34

to like you say all that crazy

9:36

stuff you were doing I'll say

9:38

why am I sitting in school why

9:40

am I going there just to

9:42

you know once you become the A

9:45

student now you go I need to

9:47

put those other people in jail.

9:49

Like, that's how you feel. Like, why

9:51

would these criminals take a dance in

9:54

my disability and put me on

9:56

the streets? They didn't get locked up.

9:58

You know, and so, you know,

10:00

it was, you know, can I mean,

10:03

dyslexic people, you locked up? Think about

10:05

it. I bump it to people

10:07

all the time. who are doing successful

10:09

in business, when they hear, you know,

10:12

my journey been just like, they

10:14

all say to stop me and say,

10:16

Eric, you know, I went through

10:18

the same thing and I'm successful in

10:20

business. Because once you push through that,

10:23

you find that you get through

10:25

just about anything. So when people run

10:27

around now yelling, booing, oh, we

10:29

don't like this, we're like, could you

10:31

have a New York, 8.3 million people,

10:34

35 million people, 35. A lot

10:36

of opinions. I say that's all you've

10:38

got. You know, all you've got is

10:40

to call me a name. Listen,

10:42

I'm so used to being called names.

10:45

I used to get called names

10:47

every morning. You know, so then you

10:49

build him. What's the best thing you've

10:51

been called? Like, is there ever

10:53

anything you've been called? You're like, no,

10:56

that's kind of funny. I don't

10:58

know. I'm probably assholed, it's not the

11:00

top one, you know. You know, people

11:02

call, listen. Hurt people hurt people

11:04

and they hurt themselves. It's not like,

11:07

you know, I hate you every, you

11:09

know, people are hating themselves. Yeah.

11:11

And they express that hate. you know,

11:13

through how they treat people. We're

11:15

in a place now where everyone is

11:18

so mean spirit, man. Yeah. They, we

11:20

no longer, people don't do this.

11:22

Like this is powerful when you can

11:24

sit down. Have conversations. Right. Yeah.

11:27

We just seek to understand so that

11:29

we can be understood. That's, we have

11:31

that conversation all the time here.

11:33

It's just like, nobody wants to understand

11:36

anybody. Everybody wants to like dunk score

11:38

a point so that their party

11:40

or affiliation or group feels good about

11:42

themselves. media makes it even more...

11:44

Yeah, because you're getting like patted on

11:47

the back every time you do it.

11:49

Right, right, right, you know, it's

11:51

a coalescing of everyone who has a

11:53

ill feeling. You know, it's a

11:55

place, like, you know, you're not alone

11:58

with your ill feeling. And you could

12:00

call less around, you know, this,

12:02

you know, this feeling that you have,

12:04

no matter what group you are, I

12:07

did an experiment the other day,

12:09

I said, Just think of anything you

12:11

think about, there's a population out

12:13

there. I say, let me just find

12:15

people that like grass, you know, and

12:18

not cannabis, grass. No, you don't

12:20

like the weed. Right, right. And it's

12:22

unbelievable how many people call this

12:24

around there. And first of all, I

12:26

feel people should have a right to

12:29

smoke cannabis since they want. Right,

12:31

right. My concern, as I said it

12:33

when I was running for office, is

12:35

that we have a real. educational

12:37

problems. And our children start in their

12:40

day, these teachers tell me, Eric,

12:42

these kids are high all the time.

12:44

Yeah, yeah. You know, if you start

12:46

your day walking to school and

12:48

you, you know, you're smoking a joint,

12:51

you sit inside the classroom, you're

12:53

smoking a joint during the period, these

12:55

children are not going to be ready.

12:57

It's particularly a younger age when

13:00

they, my brains are real developing, there's

13:02

some real science. So if adult wants

13:04

to smoke, go do your thing.

13:06

But we have to be real concern.

13:09

about what's happening with our children

13:11

in Canada. I feel like most people

13:13

are supportive of that. Like I think

13:15

most adults in New York would

13:17

go, hey we got to keep weed

13:20

out of the kids and we got

13:22

to protect the kids. I feel

13:24

like yeah I feel like most adults

13:26

in New York are supportive of

13:28

that. I almost feel like there's a

13:31

lot of support around issues in New

13:33

York but there's not a lot

13:35

of understanding on how issues get fixed.

13:37

Right. And that's one of the

13:39

things about like I'm always curious when

13:42

I talk to elected elected elected officials.

13:44

No matter what happens, it's your

13:46

fault right even if you don't have

13:48

the power to change it especially the

13:51

mayor bro And I always say

13:53

this I'm like the mayor is the

13:55

second most powerful position in America

13:57

the mayor of New York, right, right

13:59

I didn't even know that. The governor

14:02

was a woman until like I'm

14:04

like, I've never known that we had

14:06

governor. We had a blind guy

14:08

governor. I didn't know. New York is

14:10

not a state. It's a city. Yeah.

14:13

You guys go in Texas, New

14:15

York. They're not thinking of the state.

14:17

I grew up in Texas. I grew

14:19

up in Texas. I only thought

14:21

of the city. And that is our,

14:24

I guess our blind spot is

14:26

like not seeing outside the city. But

14:28

it's like, there's the president. before

14:30

they used different things.

14:32

Right, because when you're

14:34

the mayor, I don't care

14:37

what it is. It's your

14:39

fault. Got stepped to me

14:42

a couple of months ago,

14:44

man. Listen, I'm getting divorced.

14:46

You know, it's your fault.

14:48

You have sex with my

14:50

wife and far around. That

14:52

one is your fault. That

14:54

was your fault. You gotta

14:56

say, well, you're saying so

14:58

too, yeah. But that's some

15:00

other fun, bestie cases, so.

15:03

People say, well, you know,

15:05

the trains don't are not

15:07

operating where they're supposed to.

15:09

That's the state, man. That's

15:11

not the city. Oh, so

15:13

wait, the trains meaning like, the

15:15

two, three, four, and five. The

15:17

state is in charge of two,

15:19

three, four, and five. The state

15:22

is in charge of that. The

15:24

state is in charge of that.

15:26

The state is in charge of

15:28

the empty. 100, 200 a day,

15:30

300 a day. We have 4.6

15:32

million riders every day. Yeah. We

15:34

have six felonies a day. Wow.

15:36

At a 4.6 million, I don't

15:39

feel like going to work, I'm

15:41

pissed off people on the 7th.

15:43

It's a miracle that we're able

15:45

to move that volume of people

15:47

every day. Yeah. And deal with

15:50

the mental health issues down in

15:52

the South. We just come people

15:54

are attracted to it. All right

15:56

guys, let's do some tour dates,

15:59

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16:01

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16:03

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16:05

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16:08

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16:10

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16:12

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16:14

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16:17

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16:19

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16:55

I'll see you on the road. Thanks

16:58

so much. Love you all by. So

17:00

there's a good question, right? There's two

17:02

things. There are the data, the facts,

17:05

like the reality of what's happening. And

17:07

then there's the feeling that people have.

17:09

Without a doubt. And we got to

17:11

be careful that. If people have that

17:14

feeling, we don't make them feel stupid

17:16

for having it. Because like being scared

17:18

in the subway is a real feeling.

17:20

And maybe now that there's more phone

17:23

videos and I hear about all these

17:25

stories like, I know my wife, she

17:27

says she feels uncomfortable in the subway.

17:30

I know probably now because she uses

17:32

a tuber, but a convenient excuse. But

17:34

no, like some of the girls that

17:36

work for us also say they had

17:39

that feeling. When I grew up in

17:41

the city. I was like sleeping on

17:43

the subway on the way to school

17:46

and I never even, no I don't

17:48

get wrong, I got robbed before, but

17:50

it wasn't on the subway, it was

17:52

like there's people around. So now ask

17:55

yourself, because I'm big on that, back

17:57

in 2000, back in 2022, when I

17:59

said, listen, we have to deal with

18:01

the perception and the reality. You know,

18:04

people attacked me when I said that.

18:06

They said, well, you know, perception doesn't

18:08

matter. I said, yes, it does. Perception

18:11

matters. But I was a transit cop,

18:13

so I remember. And so what happens,

18:15

so now we have to ask ourselves,

18:17

why do people feel unsafe in a

18:20

subway system? Why do you think? Because

18:22

every day we take the worst thing

18:24

that happens on four plus and every

18:26

day we blast it every day every

18:29

day every day and so you wake

18:31

up in the morning opening paper also

18:33

I got pushed on the subway track

18:36

now you may have never had a

18:38

negative experience someone got put you to

18:40

the subway track someone got put you

18:42

to the subway track then you go

18:45

down in the system and you see

18:47

someone walking with no shoes on no

18:49

shirt on the yelling the screaming you

18:52

hear noise you hear it's not cleaning

18:54

up you begin to say to yourself

18:56

oh I feel unsafe I'm feeling safe.

18:58

And so what I have to do,

19:01

as you said, I'm not going to

19:03

go to you and insult you and

19:05

say you shouldn't feel a certain way.

19:07

No, I have to answer that fear.

19:10

So that's why we put a thousand

19:12

more cops in the system. We have

19:14

them riding the trains back and forth.

19:17

But I was a transit cop, that's

19:19

what I did. I wrote it back

19:21

and forth. Because we know the omnipresence.

19:23

Real quick, just like maybe it's a

19:26

combination of both of those things like

19:28

maybe it's it's telling people Hey, we

19:30

are gonna address that and we're putting

19:32

more cops out there So you feel

19:35

safe and then after that going hey,

19:37

by the way Crime statistics compared from

19:39

last quarter or whatever you do are

19:42

down 50% So look at this positive

19:44

influence that's happening right and that's it

19:46

feel like all too often is people

19:48

going no you idiots look crime is

19:51

way better and then they're like don't

19:53

call me an idiot fuck you right

19:55

right right right some pushback on above

19:58

ground yeah I walk around New York

20:00

City a lot I moved here oh

20:02

eight and I will say it feels

20:04

less safe like just seeing I was

20:07

walking here one day from 59 it

20:09

was a long walk but I was

20:11

like let's do it On one block

20:13

I see like four guys shooting heroin

20:16

I see another guy literal piece of

20:18

his intestine sticking out of his stomach

20:20

covered in what looks like shit. That's

20:23

not, when I go to Penn Station,

20:25

I used to live in Jersey, I

20:27

take it every day, I see people

20:29

shooting up hair on right outside. These

20:32

are not things that make me feel

20:34

safe, and that is a crime, you

20:36

know, even then. It might not be

20:39

aggravated, but like, I'm not even saying

20:41

this to like, dunk on you or

20:43

whatever, but I will say as someone

20:45

who's lived here 17 years, it's... safer

20:48

than it's ever been. That's why it's

20:50

just so weird hearing that because I'm

20:52

like, yo, I think a lot of

20:54

times squam back in the day. But

20:57

I'm saying I might be safer than

20:59

it was in 1998, but I don't

21:01

think go safer personally than it was.

21:04

I think a lot of this a

21:06

lot of the sentiment is like we

21:08

went through a pretty tough time in

21:10

New York. Right. Right. Right. There was

21:13

like, there were a lot of things

21:15

who were quite commonplace. You started sealing

21:17

because you're dyslexic. Right. Like, you know,

21:19

like, I mix up letters, let me

21:22

just start running numbers. Right. But when

21:24

you, when you go back to that

21:26

period of time, graffiti was everywhere on

21:29

all out train. You can see. You

21:31

can see, you should see some. in

21:33

the pictures. It was crazy. And so

21:35

understand that's why civics is important because

21:38

when you see something like right now

21:40

when I came when I became a

21:42

man we were having encampments all over

21:45

people living in cardboard boxes and tents

21:47

on the side of highways. And when

21:49

we came in we said listen people

21:51

not living that live in that way.

21:54

January in February of 2022 I went

21:56

into the streets to talk to people

21:58

that lived in these encampments. So a

22:00

human waste drug power finalia, stale food.

22:03

This is a bipolar schizophrenia. And so

22:05

we came up with a real initiative

22:07

that said, listen, we clean up these

22:10

encampments and we put people in houses.

22:12

We got a huge pushback. Huge pushback.

22:14

The city council passed the law that

22:16

said people should have the right to

22:19

sleep on the streets. So when you

22:21

have. Those government to entities that are

22:23

extreme left in their philosophy. What everyday

22:26

New York is want. They're pushing back.

22:28

I'm fighting too thin now to do

22:30

involuntary removal. Like you said, someone, you

22:32

saw someone injecting themselves, undressed, screaming, not

22:35

taking care of themselves. I'm fighting to

22:37

say, I gotta get this person in

22:39

care. He doesn't know he needs care.

22:41

These are the battles we have that

22:44

fought outside to scope with the mayor

22:46

I can do. And it's like real

22:48

quick. We have C.C. TV everywhere. Why

22:51

don't we have any security cameras inside

22:53

the subway cards? Oh we do. We're

22:55

going to house, we're going to, they're

22:57

building it out, yeah right now, right

23:00

now, we're going to build out all

23:02

the trains, but the governor has done

23:04

an amazing job where we have cameras

23:06

in the cars, and they're going to

23:09

be cameras in every car, which is

23:11

huge, because that allows us to pick

23:13

up on any illegal behavior, it allows

23:16

us, we caught the guy that burned

23:18

the woman to death because of that,

23:20

um, that camera and that footage. So

23:22

we do, and eventually every train is

23:25

going to have a camera. I feel

23:27

like sometimes cops are like this backstop

23:29

to all the problems in society. So

23:32

mental health we're not addressing, right? And

23:34

there's a person that's crazy on the

23:36

street and then there's a cop who

23:38

might not be trained in how to

23:41

deal with crazy people. He's trained in

23:43

how to uphold the law. But now

23:45

it's his responsibility to protect these people

23:47

from crazy people and to protect that

23:50

crazy person from themselves. And I wonder

23:52

if there's like... I don't know if

23:54

it's expansion or more specific division, but

23:57

it seems like a lot of the

23:59

problems we see on the streets that

24:01

are making people feel unsafe are people

24:03

who are dealing with without a doubt.

24:06

We have we have three issues that

24:08

overshadowed our success. We turned around the

24:10

city. No one thought I could do

24:13

it in and they told us it

24:15

was gonna take five years. We did

24:17

it two years. They have three issues

24:19

that had. I love that. I can't

24:22

even tell you you didn't. There's no

24:24

rats, the rats, the rats, the rats

24:26

are gone. Got all the rats out

24:28

here. Well, there are indicators, there are

24:31

indicators of a success of a city.

24:33

Yeah. And so you look at the

24:35

financial, we have more jobs in New

24:38

York in the city's history, more small

24:40

businesses in the city's history. Double digits,

24:42

decreasing homicides, shootings, the seven major crime

24:44

categories of fourth largest tourism in the

24:47

city history. Build more affordable housing in

24:49

year. year two, individual years in the

24:51

city's history. Move more people out of

24:53

homelessness into permanent homes, and year one,

24:56

and year two in the city's history.

24:58

Drop unemployment around all demographics in the

25:00

city, but to particularly black and Hispanics

25:03

by 20 percent. So there are indicators.

25:05

that we that people look and see

25:07

let me see the success of the

25:09

city when you look at the indicators

25:12

it shows how successful we are and

25:14

bond ratings these people who look and

25:16

say okay is this city being well

25:19

managed so that we can give you

25:21

a bond rating so that people see

25:23

they're going to invest in your city

25:25

they raise my mind and then came

25:28

back at all the, all that we

25:30

went through, they said, we still want

25:32

to keep this bond rating high because

25:34

this man, mayor has managed COVID, managed

25:37

230,000 migrants in asylum seekers that came

25:39

into this. into the city. So they've

25:41

watched how I manage the city. So

25:44

just that the bond thing is a

25:46

people can invest in cities. They're called

25:48

municipal bonds, right? Yeah, combination of bonds.

25:50

You have their industry bond rate is

25:53

Fitch, S&P. These are guys that look

25:55

at your cities and say, okay. What

25:57

are we going to say to our

26:00

investors? How well is this city being

26:02

managed? And the fact that the rating

26:04

maintains is high. They're scrutinized, they're hard,

26:06

they look at everything, they're how you

26:09

manage your money, and they said, this

26:11

guy has managed this city. You raised

26:13

the city's credit score, take that racist.

26:15

Tell us what happened with the with

26:18

the migrant crisis. Oh great question, great

26:20

question, just think about it and that's

26:22

what that was my first I want

26:25

to tell you the three things that

26:27

overshadowed our success. Yes, yes. And I'm

26:29

going to talk about the migrants. One,

26:31

random acts of violence. Nothing impacts your

26:34

feeling of being unsafe. Your woman walking

26:36

down a block, someone punches you in

26:38

the face out of Norway. You know,

26:40

random active violence. One guy, you know,

26:43

dealing with severe mental health issues that

26:45

should not have been on the street,

26:47

stabs, three people. Those shock everyone. That

26:50

has overshadowed our success. Mental health. That's

26:52

tied to mental health. The second is

26:54

recidivism. We have cats that are committing

26:56

crimes repeatedly. Yeah, repeatedly. They made up

26:59

their mind. We have, we have 575

27:01

people. They can't break them off. You

27:03

put them in jail. You know what

27:06

I'm committed to. You can't stop on.

27:08

You can't have 575 people who are

27:10

arrested for shoplifting and they have been

27:12

arrested over 7500 times. 36 people who

27:15

who have assaulted people in the subway

27:17

system have been arrested over 16 on

27:19

your time with this revolving door system

27:21

and trying to convince our lawmakers in

27:24

Albany that yo this is a problem

27:26

you know yeah and and they're real

27:28

problems so who can do that because

27:31

I think a lot of people Blame

27:33

you for that as the mayor, right?

27:35

And that's got to be frustrating because

27:37

you're like, yo, I'm not the DA.

27:40

You guys elected the DA. Right. It's

27:42

not like you even placed them there,

27:44

right? No. So who decides? The judges

27:47

have to get on board, but there

27:49

was a great deal of reform passing

27:51

Albany. that it was conceptually was a

27:53

great idea. What was the concept? That

27:56

was when you hear bail reform, discover

27:58

reform, raise the age reform. There's a

28:00

lot of reform because we don't want

28:02

a heavy-handed criminal justice system when everyone

28:05

is being locked up for them no

28:07

matter what they do. You want to

28:09

give people an opportunity to have... a

28:12

life after making a mistake. Exactly. But

28:14

if they repeat people, like you said,

28:16

they're committed to that. And that's what

28:18

we're trying to show them, that listen,

28:21

the data is showing these reforms you

28:23

did in 2019 is having a negative

28:25

impact. on public safety and it has

28:27

been very centered on people who commit

28:30

crimes. But what about the people who

28:32

are the victims of these crimes? We

28:34

have to start talking about those who

28:37

are victims of these crimes. So what

28:39

your solution be? Because three strikes don't

28:41

seem that fair either. So like what

28:43

would your solution be? It's not so

28:46

much saying three strikes, two strikes. The

28:48

judges must need use a determination. Are

28:50

you, is it a danger releasing you?

28:53

Right. Is it a danger releasing you?

28:55

Judge has to make that call. Is

28:57

it a danger releasing you, putting you

28:59

back in society? If you're arrested in

29:02

a short period of time for repeated

29:04

burglary, repeated burglary, you're making it up

29:06

to your mind. You're making up to

29:08

your mind. Listen, you can let me

29:11

out as much as you want to

29:13

continue to do the crime. We have

29:15

to prioritize law abiding citizens over the

29:18

ones that are breaking the law. The

29:20

safety they're up. And that's what we

29:22

don't do. they don't have opportunity in

29:24

their life thereafter. Like as you said,

29:27

like as a young kid, you did

29:29

some silly shit. I know I did

29:31

some silly shit. We did. We did.

29:34

Right, right. We're gonna talk about it.

29:36

But we can. A problem with that,

29:38

a lot of people are doing like

29:40

petty crimes and they didn't have money

29:43

to bond out. So they would just

29:45

sit in jail for until they're trying

29:47

to solve that problem. And that's why,

29:49

and I'm a big believer in it.

29:52

and that we should not be being

29:54

heavy-handed. Now, what we want to do

29:56

is, hey, you have a drug problem,

29:59

you're going into right aid over and

30:01

over again, and you do a shoplifter.

30:03

Listen, we're gonna give you a pathway

30:05

to deal with that drug issue, you

30:08

know. So we don't want to be

30:10

heavy-handed. And those are the alternatives to

30:12

incarceration, give people to support. need because

30:14

a lot of people think okay with

30:17

shoplifting is a victim list crime that's

30:19

not true. If that right aid closed

30:21

down Miss Jones now has to get

30:24

on the bus and go to get

30:26

a drugstore that's a mile away from

30:28

her now that cost her money, the

30:30

people who wrote to that Rite Aid

30:33

are now losing their jobs in the

30:35

same process. It impacts your economy, you

30:37

know, so we need to make sure

30:40

that we send the right message that

30:42

you can't have a revolving door system.

30:44

So let's talk about the migrants. So

30:46

out of nowhere, we started getting in

30:49

a large flow of migrant. Now this

30:51

is a city of immigrants. And it's

30:53

a city that has always been open

30:55

to immigrants as a reason that the

30:58

Statue of Liberty sits in our harbor.

31:00

Sanctuary city, right? Right. It's a sanctuary

31:02

city, right? It's a sanctuary city. Which

31:05

is another separate issue. I think what

31:07

you're saying, like, culturally, migrants aren't as

31:09

shocking to New Yorkers. I always tell

31:11

people this, like, you can't even tell

31:14

who the migrants are. Right, right, right,

31:16

right. So we started getting in bus

31:18

slows. By design, right? Like this is

31:21

political play. It was coming from Texas,

31:23

but it was the failure that we

31:25

did secure our borders. We were allowing

31:27

everyone to come into the country with

31:30

unsecured borders, many gang members, very dangerous.

31:32

When I went down to Ecuador, Colombia

31:34

and Mexico to look at the flow,

31:36

there was a place called the Darian

31:39

Gap, so I went down there to

31:41

see why people coming and try to

31:43

explain to the government that New York

31:46

City the streets are not paved or

31:48

not paved. Because everybody thinks you come

31:50

to New York City, everything is fine.

31:52

Yeah, saved and rat shit. Right. Right,

31:55

right. So, that might be a delicious

31:57

meal. Don't throw me out. Don't gross

31:59

me out. Don't gross me out. I'm

32:01

so gross out. It's vegan. People got

32:04

upset, because they said, man, what you

32:06

doing? You know, you letting everybody... coming

32:08

to the city, you're paying for them.

32:11

Very reasonable. Right. So what people didn't

32:13

understand, I couldn't stop the buses from

32:15

coming in. The federal law said, you

32:17

can, Eric. I couldn't even allow them

32:20

to work. The federal law said, you

32:22

can't even allow them to work. The

32:24

federal law said, you can't even allow

32:27

them to work. And a group of

32:29

migrants and asylum seekers came to me

32:31

and said, you can't even do that.

32:33

and the city law says everyone that

32:36

comes here you must give them three

32:38

meals a day you must house them

32:40

that's the sanctuary city law right but

32:42

that wasn't built for migrants you know

32:45

for our homeless population exactly exactly hoping

32:47

that you would take people from the

32:49

homelessness you know going through a rough

32:52

time and then they would be housed

32:54

without a doubt over 40 years in

32:56

existence yeah and so kind of unfortunate

32:58

that that was taken advantage of like

33:01

that and it was done In my

33:03

opinion, I'd like to hear your opinions,

33:05

but I think it was like a

33:07

political tool specifically done to make... more

33:10

liberal leaning cities seem uninhabitable. I think

33:12

the message was because it should not

33:14

happen to, when I went down to

33:17

El Paso, they should not have had

33:19

to have gone through that. No, Brownville,

33:21

Texas, right. No, I think, growing up

33:23

in Texas, they feel like New Yorkers,

33:26

LA, whatever, they judge you a lot,

33:28

especially New York, but y'all don't deal

33:30

with what we deal with, now see

33:33

how you like it. Right. Right, right,

33:35

right, right, right, right. I think that's

33:37

fair, right. like these coastal elitist cities

33:39

they're just kind of like yeah just

33:42

don't building a wall is bad don't

33:44

secure the board how dare you it's

33:46

like we're not dealing with it so

33:48

where we to say what the issue

33:51

is and so where they went wrong

33:53

where the governor of Texas went wrong

33:55

is that we were saying hey we

33:58

hear you Let's collaborate together and send

34:00

that message. Not just, listen, I'm not

34:02

going to punish another municipality because the

34:04

federal government is screwing up. So when

34:07

we reached out to them and said,

34:09

listen, we're on the same page with

34:11

you. Your city should not be going

34:14

through this. Let's get together. Let's work

34:16

together. No. So now this is the

34:18

dunk culture we're talking about. Instead of

34:20

having that dialogue and you come together,

34:23

and I think at that moment you

34:25

were like a surrogate in the Biden

34:27

administration, like you were somebody who was

34:29

like working with them, you were hand-chosen

34:32

by the way, it's not like everybody's

34:34

a surrogate. Right, exactly. You want one

34:36

of the most powerful positions in the

34:39

country that may have been your side

34:41

if you're the administration, so you're like

34:43

if you go and extend yourself to

34:45

a... conservative governor and say let's work

34:48

together and they go no thank you

34:50

we're gonna send the buses exactly that's

34:52

a cool bullshit I don't like wheels

34:54

and so we lost we we lost

34:57

an opportunity because when I went down

34:59

to El Paso and I saw people

35:01

sleeping on the streets and airports I

35:04

said this is not right even for

35:06

El Paso my position was no city

35:08

should take on the federal responsibility. And

35:10

that was my advocacy. I went to

35:13

Washington ten times, you know, to speak

35:15

with the lawmakers. I met with the

35:17

president twice, President Biden twice around this

35:20

issue. And his people were, they were

35:22

giving him misinformation. They were not being

35:24

honest to him. Who are his people?

35:26

That's, I think, yeah, who are his

35:29

people, you think? There was a, there

35:31

was, there were several people who was

35:33

closed that was in charge of this,

35:35

this issue that was supposed to be

35:38

giving him the right information. And I

35:40

was, I told him, I said Mr.

35:42

President. Maybe they told him that he

35:45

just forgot, he was a little old,

35:47

you know what I mean? But like,

35:49

just this idea that. Maybe there were

35:51

other people that were in his ear

35:54

or making certain decisions that he might

35:56

not have been privy to Because if

35:58

you spoke to him and he seemed

36:01

like an amicable nice guy who is

36:03

understanding what's going on like where's the

36:05

disconnect here? You know what's interesting in

36:07

government particularly on the federal level people

36:10

have their own agendas as well and

36:12

there was so much going on back

36:14

then of people pushing back on the

36:16

concept There are some people with a

36:19

philosophy that our borders should be open

36:21

and any and everyone should be able

36:23

to come in no matter what. I

36:26

don't believe in that. As part of

36:28

government? Right. Here's what I said to

36:30

the administration. I said listen. Right now

36:32

people were coming into the country, not

36:35

knowing anyone in the country, not knowing

36:37

where they're going. I said listen, we're

36:39

having population problems. There are a lot

36:41

of cities that are dealing with population

36:44

issues. Let's tell people we're going to

36:46

tell you where you're going to go

36:48

for three years. If Kentucky needs people

36:51

to be backstretched, workers, to work in

36:53

the racing industry, you're going to Kentucky.

36:55

After you do your three years, then

36:57

you can go anywhere in the country

37:00

and apply. This way we're connecting your

37:02

need to be in America with the

37:04

need that America needs. It's a fantastic

37:07

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37:09

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37:11

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37:13

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39:16

A lot of times people talked about

39:19

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39:21

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39:23

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41:03

When I went down and I spoke

41:06

to the people, they said the gangs

41:08

have taken over. So they're looking for

41:10

reprieve from the gang violence. Right. And

41:12

then they came here to New York.

41:15

And they were like, they over here

41:17

too. That's exactly. And that's what happened.

41:19

People were like, people were like, when

41:22

I said, when I go, you know,

41:24

because I spent the night in a

41:26

migrant asylum seeker shelter, one of our

41:28

shelters, I spent the night to talk

41:31

to them and find out, you know,

41:33

why did you flee? What are you

41:35

going through? Yeah. They say the gangs

41:37

are here. They're praying on us. And

41:40

so when I say that, listen, you're

41:42

a gang member, you recognize a tourist,

41:44

you commend crimes, you can't be here.

41:47

You know, you cannot pray on migrants,

41:49

and you cannot pray on everyday Americans.

41:51

You can't be here. So now people

41:53

want to say, this is what's really

41:56

deep. Because so much politics is in

41:58

play. People say, oh, you anti-immigrant, anti-immigrant.

42:00

So I want to, I got the

42:02

national immigrant leaders. the national people who

42:05

fight this nationally. I said, I want

42:07

you to come to the city and

42:09

see what I'm doing. They said, we

42:12

want to come here because you anti-immigrant,

42:14

we don't want to come, we don't

42:16

want to talk to you. And I

42:18

said, well, at least come. Yeah. They

42:21

came to the city, they spent the

42:23

day when Anna D.A. Amazard, the first

42:25

Dominican deputy man in the history of

42:28

the city. She, they came, spent the

42:30

day with her. They met me at

42:32

Gracie at Gracie at Gracie Man. and

42:34

had dinner. They said, we gotta apologize

42:37

to you. Wow. They said no one

42:39

in the country is doing what you're

42:41

doing. We're gonna write a letter to

42:43

Washington and say the country needs to

42:46

follow your model. We fed house clothes,

42:48

educated 40,000 children. put people on the

42:50

pathway for citizenship. What we did with

42:53

230,000 people, 190,000 have left out care,

42:55

and I went on to the next

42:57

journey, what we did, no one in

42:59

the country was doing. But when you

43:02

pick up the papers, you walk away

43:04

and say, oh, this guy hate immigrants.

43:06

This guy's anti-immigrant. Yeah, but I think

43:09

that's one of those things where it's

43:11

like very easy politicized. I got frustrated

43:13

that too, like all of us are.

43:15

kids of immigrants on this podcast, like

43:18

every single one of us. So this

43:20

idea that like we are not supportive

43:22

of immigration is kind of absurd. Also

43:24

like coming in New York, like you

43:27

heard those criticisms in New York, you're

43:29

like, what the fuck are you talking

43:31

about? Somebody from Maine is going to

43:34

tell me about immigrants. Like I'm a

43:36

New York immigrant. Right. Right. Right. which

43:38

is, so it's like you either hate

43:40

immigrants or they're staying at the four

43:43

seasons, right? Right, right? But I think

43:45

that was the thing that New Yorkers

43:47

started to get pushback, which is like

43:49

New Yorkers obviously struggling. cost of living

43:52

is going up. Like you were saying

43:54

housing prices are crazy and then you're

43:56

hearing these stories about these people that

43:59

are migrating to New York right and

44:01

they're getting put up at the hotel

44:03

outside of Madison Square Garden getting three

44:05

meals a day you're like oh my

44:08

kids getting two meals a day right

44:10

so you understand their concern and resentment

44:12

without a doubt without doubt and you're

44:15

in this situation where you're like okay

44:17

the federal government is not helping me

44:19

with this situation at all. And I'm

44:21

shackled by my limitations as a city

44:24

to even put these people to work

44:26

or do anything. So now the center

44:28

of the federal government through law is

44:30

making me put them up. and feed

44:33

them at the potential disadvantage to my

44:35

own constituents and then you just got

44:37

to sit there and take it. What

44:40

you just stated, and here's the impact

44:42

of this, this is what was deep

44:44

about this moment, that they were not

44:46

standing in tents, Randall's Island, Crete Moore,

44:49

we put up a tent, Floyd Benfield,

44:51

tents, I went to go to these

44:53

tents, it was the... best we could

44:56

do in the circumstances. Roosevelt Hotel was

44:58

our intake center. So you go to

45:00

Roosevelt first and then you go to

45:02

one of these other locations. Got you.

45:05

But once the narrative hits the news,

45:07

you go to Nick game, sing court

45:09

type. Right. Migrating to America, you say

45:11

court sounds like that. That was not

45:14

the reality. But then. This is how,

45:16

this is what angered me, this was

45:18

the tipping point where I decided I

45:21

got to publicly criticize the administration. Yeah,

45:23

when did that happen? Because that was

45:25

very brave, I thought. The money, this

45:27

costs us seven billion dollars. Now we

45:30

have, we have a fixed budget. Yeah.

45:32

You know, we have a fixed budget.

45:34

Yeah. And so if you take, just

45:36

think about if you're a homeowner and

45:39

you take and you have your budget

45:41

to do your lights, your gas, your

45:43

budget for your repairs, all of a

45:46

sudden the roof caves in, you want

45:48

your insurance company coming, give you your

45:50

favorite. And if insurance company tells you,

45:52

hey, we're not giving you anything. Now

45:55

you got to take it out of

45:57

somewhere. So I had to take seven

45:59

billion dollars out of the services for

46:02

our city. The long-term impact of that

46:04

is what troubles me. Right. That's the,

46:06

that's the, because I could have taken

46:08

200 million dollars of that to go

46:11

to chronically absent children. Could we have

46:13

a lot of children that are chronically

46:15

absent after COVID? Yeah. I could have

46:17

taken, I could have taken 500 million

46:20

dollars and went to my adults care.

46:22

I could have. And what you're saying

46:24

is that this is a federal issue.

46:27

The federal government is responsible for protecting

46:29

the borders of this country. are dealing

46:31

with their lack of effort to protect

46:33

the country and they're going but you

46:36

also got to pay for it right

46:38

yeah I understand you know the response

46:40

after going there all the time what

46:42

they say this is like a gold

46:45

bladder it's gonna hurt now but at

46:47

a pass, I said, then you piss

46:49

it out. Okay, so listen, and I

46:52

don't get conspiratorial. I don't get conspiratorial,

46:54

but after you come out and I

46:56

thought, like, very reasonably criticized them, right?

46:58

A little bit afterwards, all the sudden,

47:01

the Justice Department looks into Eric House.

47:03

Now listen, I don't want to get,

47:05

I don't want to get conspiratorial here,

47:08

but we're going to get conspirator. They

47:10

look into Eric House and then they,

47:12

and there's this thing about Turkish airlines,

47:14

right? Which I think that they were

47:17

targeting you because you're bald and maybe

47:19

you're going to get. And I'm right.

47:21

Yeah. If you are being corrupted, it

47:23

better be more than a hundred fucking

47:26

thousand dollars. Please God. I know there's

47:28

level corruption in government all over the

47:30

place, but if you were the mayor

47:33

of New York City, have some fucking

47:35

respect for yourself. So can you, do

47:37

you think there's any connection to those

47:39

two things? You're done right, I do.

47:42

You know, the timing of it, the

47:44

leaking. the public embarrassment and humiliation, leak,

47:46

they were leaking information part of the

47:49

case, they were just leaking it out,

47:51

you know, grand jury testimonies are supposed

47:53

to be private and secret. And then

47:55

all of a sudden they start ending

47:58

up in the same paper over and

48:00

over again, the New York Times, over

48:02

and over again, over, over, over. So,

48:04

a lot of people never read the

48:07

indictment. Of course not. Anyway, keep going

48:09

on. They never read the indictment. The

48:11

whole premise of their indictment. I was

48:14

the borough president at the time. The

48:16

Turkish embassy was going to open, the

48:18

president was coming. And they were going

48:20

through the bureaucracy the madness of it.

48:23

And if you've ever built a thing

48:25

or renovated in this fucking city. Right,

48:27

right. And I ran on the platform

48:29

that government must be more fluid and

48:32

it can't be bureaucratic. I call the

48:34

fire commissioner and say, can you least

48:36

go do an inspection? Can somebody go

48:39

do an inspection so that they can

48:41

see, they can pass their inspection? And

48:43

I said, if you can't do it,

48:45

let me know and I'll manage their

48:48

expectation. All of this is in the

48:50

indictment. Let me know and I'll manage

48:52

their expectation. I didn't tell them to

48:55

go past the rules, ignore it. I

48:57

said, no, just go to a darn

48:59

inspection. The guy's asking for an inspection.

49:01

So they said, well, you know what

49:04

you know what? The federal government said,

49:06

well, they gave you upgrades throughout the

49:08

years, and we're going to attach that

49:10

to when you call them and say

49:13

you were bribed. Upgrades on a plane,

49:15

on a plane, on a plane, and

49:17

say that you were bribed. They use

49:20

all of this, these numbers for upgrades.

49:22

Right, right, right, right. So you bought

49:24

a regular coach class ticket, but the

49:26

fact that you get bumped up, means

49:29

you get bumped up. Right. Who was

49:31

it? Who wasn't? Who wasn't? Who wasn't

49:33

flown? Who was it flown? And said,

49:36

I mean tell me someone who hasn't

49:38

flown to say, hey, I see you

49:40

got an empty seat in business. You

49:42

know what I'm saying? You know, but

49:45

to take down a city mayor of

49:47

the largest, the largest city in America.

49:49

Yeah. And then when you looked at

49:51

the text messages that were leaked a

49:54

few weeks ago of them talking about

49:56

it, and hey, you know, the U.S.

49:58

attorney, he may have a political agenda

50:01

here. Oh, right, right, right. They found

50:03

their text messages in their communications. So

50:05

it exposed there? Yes, yes, yes. And

50:07

that gets leaked by whom? No, the

50:10

judge ordered it to be released. Oh,

50:12

to be released. Right, right. Oh my

50:14

God. But you know, if you really

50:16

want to understand. And they dropped this

50:19

case, right? Well, nobody will prosecute it.

50:21

The US attorney said it was a

50:23

weak case. They put in to have

50:26

it dismissed. The judge said. Basically, I

50:28

don't want to dismiss it on my

50:30

own opinion. Let me get an independent

50:32

person to look over and make the

50:35

determination what I need to do. That

50:37

independent person came back three weeks ago

50:39

and said, you need to dismiss this

50:42

case. And so we're now waiting for

50:44

the judge to look at what his

50:46

independent person said. We believe he should

50:48

agree with the independent person with what

50:51

he said. Listen, I did nothing wrong.

50:53

How do you know, I mean, I

50:55

lived the public life for over 40

50:57

years. You know, and I know that

51:00

listen, everyone in New York, you're scrutinizing

51:02

and watch. You know, I know I

51:04

live my life. I did nothing wrong.

51:07

This was traumatizing to my family. You

51:09

know, but you're in public life. You

51:11

have to fight hard. for me was

51:13

15 months ago when the indictment came

51:16

down I could have easily said you

51:18

know what let me just I resign

51:20

right people say all you need to

51:23

resign I was like I'm not going

51:25

anyway I didn't have the wrong people

51:27

were leaving you right right right right

51:29

right right now what are they going

51:32

this you know that's not true that's

51:34

not you know the true folks who

51:36

else would hire somebody that left at

51:38

the first sign of trouble. Listen, look

51:41

God, you know, I don't know your

51:43

spirit, you believe, but my belief is

51:45

clear, God is good, you know that?

51:48

And God, God, and all the time,

51:50

God is good. Look at you, man.

51:52

Sounds like a Baptist preacher. You know,

51:54

so, you know, but we have to

51:57

live it in the midst of that.

51:59

Yes. You know, but it is a

52:01

shot at your like political career. Is

52:03

it frustrating to not or do you

52:06

know? who you think it came from?

52:08

Like, is Biden aware of this? Or

52:10

is it the people that are like

52:13

underneath Biden? Is it completely separate? That's

52:15

a great question. That's a great question.

52:17

You know, there are a lot of

52:19

people, you know, this, you know, and

52:22

I don't want to sound conspiracy theory,

52:24

but there's a permanent government. There are

52:26

people that see presidents and mayors coming

52:29

go. They attitudes wait you out. You

52:31

know, you know what book is a

52:33

great book man, everybody should read the

52:35

book, Cash Patel's, um, government gangsters. Okay.

52:38

You should, on the pod. Yeah, you

52:40

should read that book, man. Cash breaks

52:42

this down. What is he, and is

52:44

this with something? Yeah. Of course, of

52:47

course, of course, we love that. But.

52:49

Is this like what people refer to?

52:51

And I think this word has been

52:54

used too much, but like the deep

52:56

state or whatever it is. It's not

52:58

used too much. It's real, brother. Oh,

53:00

really? Think about it. Who's part of

53:03

it? Like what are their current, like

53:05

senators and that kind of stuff? Or

53:07

is it people that we don't even

53:10

know, but they're always existing? And you

53:12

know, I have never seen anyone do

53:14

such a good job. of defining that

53:16

deep state. You should have him on.

53:19

Do you? Tell him to come on.

53:21

You should have him on. We would

53:23

love it. The way he... There's probably

53:25

a listen right now, right? The way...

53:28

Because he was in. It's like me

53:30

talking about what happens in NYPD after

53:32

22 years. Cash was in the DLD.

53:35

He was in the FBI. He prosecuted

53:37

terrorists. So he comes with his wealth

53:39

and knowledge. And the way he breaks

53:41

it down, it's just it's just unbelievable

53:44

what this deep state is about. and

53:46

why it's so important for Americans that

53:48

we cannot have a weaponizing of our

53:50

of our prosecutorial powers. Imagine the Southern

53:53

District, right? Southern District of New York.

53:55

That's one of the most powerful U.S.

53:57

Attorney's Office. In their mind, they say

54:00

we're You know what that means? What

54:02

do you mean they said they're sovereign?

54:04

They don't have to answer to anyone.

54:06

They don't have to answer to the

54:09

president. They don't have to answer to

54:11

the U.S. Attorney General in Washington. Attorney

54:13

General in Washington. They believe they're sovereign

54:16

entity. You're not elected? Imagine an entity

54:18

believing they don't have to answer to

54:20

anyone. But they have to answer to

54:22

the people. And ultimately the people that

54:25

we put in power. people saying that

54:27

Trump played a role in the DOJ

54:29

dropping the case because it's like it

54:31

kind of looked like you went the

54:34

time he does seem and then all

54:36

of a sudden he had you back

54:38

at that Catholic dinner yeah yeah he

54:41

was like it's wrong what they did

54:43

and I thought that that was like

54:45

a really interesting things even say he

54:47

said it kind of flippantly which I

54:50

thought was more effective because he could

54:52

have went and made a big deal

54:54

but he was like it's wrong what

54:57

they're doing and I've always wondered if

54:59

he and people are gonna say we're

55:01

apologizing for Trump or whatever but I've

55:03

always wondered if he felt like oh

55:06

they're doing the same thing to him

55:08

you tell me come on come on

55:10

listen People say think this is what

55:12

they're with those who are have Trump

55:15

derangement syndrome are saying because there's some

55:17

folks I'm not the type of cat

55:19

that I respect the office the the

55:22

presidency is in office is representative of

55:24

our country president's coming go like mayor's

55:26

coming go I'm a big believer I'm

55:28

a patriot I believe in the American

55:31

flag. My uncle died at 19 defending

55:33

this country. I wore a bulletproof vest

55:35

for the city. My brother did as

55:37

well. So I believe in the symbol

55:40

of office. So I don't have to

55:42

like who's in office. I respect Biden

55:44

to the fullest extent. I respect the

55:47

office. So when President Trump was on

55:49

a campaign trail. Before he was elected,

55:51

he was saying, look what they're doing

55:53

to this man in New York. He

55:56

said, this is wrong. to this man,

55:58

New York. He never asked me for

56:00

anything. I believe he personally saw what

56:03

they did to, is one thing to

56:05

do something to the individual. But when

56:07

you start doing something to your family

56:09

members, and I think there was something

56:12

he saw, because I had everything he

56:14

had on his campaign trail, he didn't

56:16

have to come out on his campaign

56:18

trail, so this is wrong with they

56:21

doing to Eric. They did it at

56:23

rallies. He did it the day before

56:25

the election. When he's at Madison Square

56:28

Garden, a few days before he election,

56:30

on a Sunday, he said, look what

56:32

they doing to this man in New

56:34

York. So there was never, they say,

56:37

well, there was a quip, pro quo.

56:39

You are now trying to be hard

56:41

on immigration. I said, show me what

56:44

I said. They refused. After he was

56:46

elected, that I wasn't saying before he

56:48

was elected. The same thing that was

56:50

said before he was elected. You commit

56:53

a crime, you need to get out

56:55

of our country. That's the same thing

56:57

that I've been saying. And let me

56:59

just drop this on you, that a

57:02

lot of people don't realize, you know.

57:04

ICE is a law enforcement organization. I

57:06

mean, I'm not going to say, I'm

57:09

not going to corroborate with any law

57:11

enforcement. organization to keep our city safe.

57:13

Now you made people in unlike ice,

57:15

that's that's your opinion. But it's a

57:18

law enforcement organization, that's not criminalize, a

57:20

law enforcement organization. And there's some people

57:22

coming into the country to commit crimes.

57:24

But you haven't vocal, like when you

57:27

were in the police force, which I

57:29

thought was admirable, you were vocal against

57:31

Amidudiola, I think is how he was,

57:34

right, which was a brave thing to

57:36

do because what happened happened was fucked.

57:38

Right. to the same end if you

57:40

think what ICE is doing right now,

57:43

deporting guys with green cards and all

57:45

that, I assume that would be ICE,

57:47

you would also speak up against that

57:50

ICE. Well, our city, you know, this

57:52

is some good stuff for your listeners.

57:54

Our city is not allowed by law

57:56

to collaborate with ICE for any civil

57:59

enforcement. We can't do it. The law

58:01

says that, you know, but the law

58:03

allows us to collaborate for... enforcement. If

58:05

somebody's committing a crime we could collaborate

58:08

them. We have joint task forces with

58:10

FBI, Homeland Security, all these entities that

58:12

we collaborate with all the time to

58:15

go after dangerous people, terrorists and other

58:17

dangerous people. So we can't collaborate by

58:19

law if it's just for civil enforcement.

58:21

Okay, so what do you think of

58:24

what we're reading? I don't know what's

58:26

real and what seems like students leading

58:28

protests. We have green cards getting deported

58:31

in your city. How do you

58:33

feel about that? And I want

58:35

to go back to that question

58:37

because that's important. Prior to the election,

58:39

when I saw what happened on

58:41

Columbia University and people were saying,

58:43

you know, They are pro-Hamaas, they

58:46

lifting up Hamas, I am Hamas.

58:48

When I heard people saying that

58:50

we should destroy America, all these

58:52

leaflets on Columbus University and all

58:55

of these protests who were there,

58:57

some of them were not even

58:59

students at Columbia University. Prior to

59:01

the election, I said, this is

59:04

unacceptable, you know? My uncle died

59:06

from defending this country and I

59:08

dare anybody to go on desecrate

59:10

our statues, desecrate our war memorial,

59:13

destroy property. You know, that's not

59:15

acceptable to me. So that tone

59:17

didn't come after Trump was elected.

59:19

I was saying in this pre-election,

59:22

that's not acceptable to me. So

59:24

those people who they rounded, they

59:26

got for whatever reason, I don't

59:28

know the evidence that they have.

59:30

I don't know if it's just

59:32

because they violated some rule, violated

59:35

some rule, handing out terrorists, paraphernalia,

59:37

Hamas is a terrorist. Organization. Hezbollah

59:39

is a terrorist organization. Gentle pushback.

59:41

No, no, no. Respectful. Do our

59:43

pushback, man. Okay, good. This is

59:46

a resident of your city. Yes.

59:48

He's at Columbia. So temporarily he's

59:50

a resident of your city. Right.

59:52

Wouldn't it be, wouldn't the owners

59:54

be on you to look into

59:57

what happened? Was it lawful? Was he

59:59

breaking laws? No. No, no, no, no.

1:00:01

I'm about that. I'm going to

1:00:03

take your green card. I'm going

1:00:05

to say all that. No, no,

1:00:07

no, no, no. You, you, you,

1:00:09

you, you feel, uh, deaf to

1:00:11

America. You know, what? If he's

1:00:13

saying all that, cool. Yeah, we

1:00:15

don't know what that means. But

1:00:18

unless I want to be really

1:00:20

clear, and I say this over

1:00:22

and over again, a lot of

1:00:24

people don't pick up and understand.

1:00:26

I have no control over immigration.

1:00:28

The federal government controls immigration. That's

1:00:30

their responsibility. And, you know, I

1:00:32

don't know who, Jay Z said

1:00:34

it best. I have 99 problems,

1:00:36

brother. And immigration is not one.

1:00:38

They deal with immigration. And so

1:00:40

when you start to, I don't

1:00:42

want them coming in, telling me

1:00:44

how to run my city. And

1:00:46

I don't want them dumping something

1:00:49

on me like the previous administration

1:00:51

did. They had me deal with.

1:00:53

We were getting sometimes 4,000 migrants

1:00:55

a week. 8,000 every two weeks.

1:00:57

Do the math. And so I

1:00:59

don't want to go in and

1:01:01

start telling them how to do

1:01:03

their job and immigration. And I

1:01:05

don't want them telling me how

1:01:07

to do my job. Real quick.

1:01:09

Should legal immigrants be afraid to

1:01:11

practice free speech? I'm glad you

1:01:13

said that. I'm glad you said

1:01:15

that. Yeah, that's that's important question.

1:01:17

And so many, when I'm moving

1:01:20

around my immigrant communities, and they

1:01:22

share with me, you know, what

1:01:24

we're, we're afraid. We're afraid to

1:01:26

go to go to school church,

1:01:28

right. And why are they afraid?

1:01:30

Because I've been saying the same

1:01:32

thing. Go to school. Go to

1:01:34

your house of worship. Go to

1:01:36

the hospital. Call the police if

1:01:38

you need help. You know, the

1:01:40

activists who love this hysteria are

1:01:42

giving the impression that all of

1:01:44

a sudden ICE is going into

1:01:46

our schools taking our children. That's

1:01:48

just not true. That's not true.

1:01:50

They created this hysteria that you're

1:01:53

seeing right now. That is not

1:01:55

going on in the city. Speaking

1:01:57

of the greatest city in the

1:01:59

entire world, let's switch up the

1:02:01

seating arrangement a little bit because

1:02:03

I'm going to tell you something

1:02:05

exciting that might blow your mind.

1:02:07

It's actually about baseball. The Yankees,

1:02:09

the greatest team in the history

1:02:11

of baseball from the greatest city

1:02:13

in the history of the world

1:02:15

have hit. 15 home runs and

1:02:17

three games. Are they cheating? Yes.

1:02:19

Let's go. That's awesome. It is

1:02:21

awesome. It's awesome. It's legal cheating,

1:02:24

which is what we all do.

1:02:26

Why didn't they change the bats

1:02:28

before? Yeah, why are they the

1:02:30

only team that looked into this?

1:02:32

Smart. So Miles probably knows what

1:02:34

they did to the bats. I

1:02:36

don't know what they did to

1:02:38

the bats. I don't know if

1:02:40

we cared. Yeah. And they're good

1:02:42

migrants. What's up? The Yankees have

1:02:44

some good migrants. Oh, that's true.

1:02:46

They've always loved the migrants. And

1:02:48

look at what they're doing. They're

1:02:50

fucking hitting. Home runs. When they

1:02:52

know ICE is waiting. When they

1:02:55

know ICE is waiting and ICE

1:02:57

has got some money on the

1:02:59

game. When ICE is gambling on

1:03:01

the game, right? With steak, by

1:03:03

the way, the leader and, you

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just letting you guys know that.

1:03:13

This has been happening. This has

1:03:15

absolutely been happening. You know, Mayor

1:03:17

Adams coming back right now, he's

1:03:19

just using the bathroom. But when

1:03:21

ice is gambling on the Yankees

1:03:23

and the Yankees continue to hit

1:03:26

home runs, they don't throw them

1:03:28

back to whatever country they came

1:03:30

from. That's true. It's a sanctuary

1:03:32

stadium, okay? Absolutely sanctuary. And if

1:03:34

you leave a couple of strikeouts,

1:03:36

you get sent back. See you

1:03:38

later, see you later. Yeah, we're

1:03:40

throwing you over the wall. Inside

1:03:42

the New Jersey, which is not

1:03:44

a sanctuary, is there? That is

1:03:46

a big problem for a lot

1:03:48

of these Yankees. Okay, so point

1:03:50

is, steak has got your back.

1:03:52

If you want to go gamble,

1:03:54

obviously you're going to gamble the

1:03:57

Yankee Yankees. Are we going to

1:03:59

win the World Bowl? Are we

1:04:01

going to win the Super World

1:04:03

Bowl? Yes, we are. Just like

1:04:05

we have all throughout our childhood.

1:04:07

This is what we do. Great

1:04:09

city and the entire world. Can

1:04:11

we get back to this show?

1:04:13

We cannot ignore the Trump part

1:04:15

of this because because with Biden's

1:04:17

Justice Department did. was unbelievable. If

1:04:19

you place mothers on FBI watch

1:04:21

lists because you are wrote about

1:04:23

what they're being taught to children

1:04:25

in school. Wait, what is that?

1:04:28

Yeah, you know, they had mothers

1:04:30

and families placed on FBI watch

1:04:32

list, terrorist watch list, because of

1:04:34

their advocacy around some of the

1:04:36

things that they're teaching their children

1:04:38

to school. They wanted to acknowledge,

1:04:40

they call them terrorists. I'm telling

1:04:42

you, you got to see what

1:04:44

that Justice Department did. And a

1:04:46

lot of people want to ignore

1:04:48

what, you know, they talk about

1:04:50

my case. Yeah. But when Biden

1:04:52

pardoned his son. He said he

1:04:54

said that justice department has been

1:04:56

politicized Yeah It's like it is

1:04:59

a tricky thing because you know

1:05:01

I'm partering my kid 100% if

1:05:03

I have that power, but at

1:05:05

the same time I understand the

1:05:07

the frustration quit. None of them

1:05:09

saying, I think what you're doing

1:05:11

is wrong, so I'm quitting. You

1:05:13

know, I'm telling you, Re Cash's

1:05:15

book. This is the thing that

1:05:17

I think is like, is really

1:05:19

frustrating. Is it like, we know

1:05:21

your name, we know Biden's name,

1:05:23

we know Hunter's name, we know

1:05:25

Trump's name, this, these people that

1:05:27

you were talking about, or Cash

1:05:30

was talking about, none of us

1:05:32

know their names. You got a

1:05:34

name in the books. Okay, I'm

1:05:36

going to a name in the

1:05:38

name in the books. that were

1:05:40

not elected by us, not democratically

1:05:42

chosen, and are the ones allegedly...

1:05:44

behind these decisions, but how can

1:05:46

we hold them accountable? We don't

1:05:48

know who the fuck they are.

1:05:50

And why do you feel, why

1:05:52

aren't you telling me? You know

1:05:54

the names. Are you scared? No.

1:05:56

Dyslexia, baby. On the book. On

1:05:58

the book. On the book. No,

1:06:01

when you read the book, I

1:06:03

don't remember all the names as

1:06:05

they listed. He did a good

1:06:07

job of documenting some of the

1:06:09

case history of documenting. So I

1:06:11

can't blurt out of every name

1:06:13

when I remember. But it's all

1:06:15

in the book. He does an

1:06:17

amazing job of documenting the case.

1:06:19

History like you look at the

1:06:21

the which case old cases there's

1:06:23

a couple of cases like he

1:06:25

goes into What was happening in

1:06:27

the Justice Department under this previous

1:06:29

the previous administration and how the

1:06:32

number of people who were under

1:06:34

investigation was just political people You

1:06:36

know, I mean the book is

1:06:38

a good book. Do you get

1:06:40

a nudge like when you start

1:06:42

speaking out? Yes. Do you get

1:06:44

like a private phone call? from

1:06:46

somebody or an email that goes,

1:06:48

hey, why don't we go a

1:06:50

different direction about this? It might

1:06:52

not be good for you politically.

1:06:54

Does that happen? People told me

1:06:56

when I criticized what was happening

1:06:58

to our city around the migrants

1:07:00

in the Simon Seekers, they said,

1:07:03

Eric, they got many ways to

1:07:05

come at you. Really? Right. And

1:07:07

is this like a, is this

1:07:09

common place within politics? Like did

1:07:11

you experience this at a borough

1:07:13

president when you had strong opinions?

1:07:15

Were you like, hey, if you

1:07:17

go against the administration for the

1:07:19

mayoral administration, they might come down

1:07:21

on you? Is this just how

1:07:23

politics works? Or is this something

1:07:25

specific to like federal government and

1:07:27

control? I think it's a combination

1:07:29

of, you know, people use people

1:07:31

weaponize the authority in every business.

1:07:33

You know, it's not only, it's

1:07:36

not just unique to politics. It

1:07:38

becomes more costly. It becomes more

1:07:40

costly. when you're using prosecutors as

1:07:42

as a weapon against political opponents

1:07:44

you know I mean when you

1:07:46

when I was I I'm facing

1:07:48

35 years in jail wow wow

1:07:50

I didn't know I didn't know

1:07:52

I think about it think about

1:07:54

it and it and it costs

1:07:56

me over three million dollars personally

1:07:58

right hold on so think about

1:08:00

this for a moment you know

1:08:02

I'm saying so this is this

1:08:04

is this is real shit so

1:08:07

this is real shit with you

1:08:09

being behind your bars for 35

1:08:11

years, completely broke, just so that

1:08:13

they could send a message to

1:08:15

other states not to push back?

1:08:17

Is that the idea? Read Cash's

1:08:19

book. Wow. Have you spoken about

1:08:21

this outside of this podcast? Here's

1:08:23

what, you know, and this is

1:08:25

the most difficult moment for me

1:08:27

for the last 15 months, because

1:08:29

everybody knows me as a fighter.

1:08:31

Everybody knows this guy never stopped

1:08:33

fighting this guy was in the

1:08:35

police department and he was criticizing

1:08:38

the police department while he was

1:08:40

in the police department which is

1:08:42

Everybody knows police don't love that

1:08:44

that I'm a right that I'm

1:08:46

a fighter and my attorney has

1:08:48

put me in a place you

1:08:50

can't talk about the case Eric

1:08:52

because it's still going on right

1:08:54

still pending and it has been

1:08:56

hard as hell not to talk

1:08:58

about the case you know because

1:09:00

to watch my name be slanted

1:09:02

like I mean slanded you know

1:09:04

I mean you have people writing

1:09:06

all sorts and you know he

1:09:09

did a quipper or crow he

1:09:11

you know he's a criminal he's

1:09:13

corrupt and you have to sit

1:09:15

back you know and I'm like

1:09:17

my turn he said Eric you

1:09:19

call me every morning Don't even

1:09:21

think about it. So here's a

1:09:23

question. If you're saying that this,

1:09:25

or Cash is saying that this,

1:09:27

like, these people exist in government,

1:09:29

there's a permanent government as you

1:09:31

will. And by the way, like,

1:09:33

I kind of understand that. The

1:09:35

idea that the most powerful country

1:09:37

in the history of the world

1:09:40

could just change leadership completely. every

1:09:42

four eight years is kind of

1:09:44

insane right like there needs to

1:09:46

be something quote-unquote permanent right so

1:09:48

like I get it I get

1:09:50

maybe how it starts mmm I

1:09:52

get the idea behind it but

1:09:54

if the people you know are

1:09:56

some nefarious characters they could go

1:09:58

left very quickly anyway so this

1:10:00

thing this thing exists right mmm

1:10:02

kind of permanently mmm now Trump

1:10:04

is in power there'll be another

1:10:06

person in power are they able

1:10:08

to like influence that group or

1:10:11

does that group just lay dormant

1:10:13

while he's in power and wait

1:10:15

for another administration? Like how does

1:10:17

that work when the... That's a

1:10:19

great question, great question. First of

1:10:21

all... I think it was Jack

1:10:23

Nicholson and a few good men,

1:10:25

we say you really don't want

1:10:27

to know the truth. You can

1:10:29

handle the truth. You can handle

1:10:31

the truth. Right, right, right, right.

1:10:33

Running a country this complex comes

1:10:35

with things that many of us

1:10:37

don't want to know about. We

1:10:39

need to be honest with ourselves.

1:10:42

Some of these operations, some of

1:10:44

these secret operations that takes place,

1:10:46

they take place across countries. I

1:10:48

mean just the complexities of ensuring

1:10:50

and keeping us safe. came into

1:10:52

office as the mayor, there were

1:10:54

folks who were in agencies because

1:10:56

agencies run cities, you know, the

1:10:58

Department of Traffic, Department of Sanitation,

1:11:00

Police Department, that's where run cities.

1:11:02

There were people who were in

1:11:04

agencies for 30, 40 years. Never

1:11:06

been elected. Right. And they make

1:11:08

decisions that you don't even realize

1:11:10

of being made. And so a

1:11:13

man comes in with his agenda.

1:11:15

There's some things he can do,

1:11:17

but there's others. If you're there

1:11:19

for 30 years, you're like looking

1:11:21

at them sitting. That's a motherfucker.

1:11:23

Why are you telling me? Yeah,

1:11:25

all right. Go talking to shit.

1:11:27

Right, right, right. And then you

1:11:29

ultimately deal. with the failures of

1:11:31

those unelected officials. and they're looking

1:11:33

out for their agency. They're trying

1:11:35

to increase everybody's over time. They're

1:11:37

trying to make sure everybody gets

1:11:39

paid more and layers of bureaucracy.

1:11:41

And they've been in for so

1:11:44

long. They know that they know

1:11:46

the people, because remember you, we

1:11:48

have a hundred and fourteen billion

1:11:50

dollar budget. You know the amount

1:11:52

of money that is on the

1:11:54

federal level? So when they went

1:11:56

in and looked at U.S. aid

1:11:58

and said, wait a minute, you're

1:12:00

sending three billion to this? You're

1:12:02

sending three four billion to this?

1:12:04

And so those permanent people. And

1:12:06

I know we want to believe

1:12:08

in particularly the prosecutorial arm of

1:12:10

our government. Because the worst thing

1:12:12

we want to believe is that

1:12:15

people are using the prosecutorial powers

1:12:17

to go after people. That is

1:12:19

frightening. And we have seen that.

1:12:21

Like I said, imagine you are

1:12:23

a mother. That's fascism, right? I

1:12:25

mean, definitionally, like if you're going

1:12:27

after your political opponents and you're

1:12:29

using the power of the government.

1:12:31

Imagine your mother in some small

1:12:33

town, somewhere, and you truly believe

1:12:35

in some of the governmental policies,

1:12:37

you disagree with. And you want

1:12:39

to rally around there, free speech,

1:12:41

you want to organize around that.

1:12:43

You should be on the FBI

1:12:46

watch list? Yeah, you shouldn't have

1:12:48

the ability to speak out, which

1:12:50

I guess goes more towards what

1:12:52

Alex and Akash were just saying

1:12:54

before. Like we don't want to

1:12:56

remove people's ability to speak out.

1:12:58

But that's what we are. That's

1:13:00

who we are as a country.

1:13:02

Okay, I'm curious. We get frustrated

1:13:04

because like we look around and

1:13:06

we see stuff not happening. And

1:13:08

you just pointed out here, one

1:13:10

reason why things can't happen sometimes

1:13:12

is people in place for a

1:13:14

long period of time, and it

1:13:16

prevents you from doing something. Why

1:13:19

don't you err them out? Why

1:13:21

don't politicians err? No, and you

1:13:23

do. And you're able to, you're

1:13:25

able to remove those who are

1:13:27

not, um, have, um, have, uh,

1:13:29

workers protection. And then you got

1:13:31

a lot of laws to protect

1:13:33

people. You can't just, you know,

1:13:35

fire just to be fired. Not

1:13:37

fired. But let's say, hey, I

1:13:39

want to build this park right

1:13:41

here. It's going to help. community,

1:13:43

but this guy who's been in

1:13:45

this job for 30 years wants

1:13:47

this type of kickback in order

1:13:50

to get the permit. Why don't

1:13:52

you put a name and face?

1:13:54

Why don't we put a name

1:13:56

and face to these, you know,

1:13:58

bureaucratic kingpins? Because we look at

1:14:00

it as like, oh, nothing's getting

1:14:02

done. Right. Right. Because ultimately, you

1:14:04

can bear the consequences. No, without

1:14:06

a doubt. And we and we

1:14:08

have been. In spite of the

1:14:10

layers of bureaucracy, and I want

1:14:12

to be very clear, we have

1:14:14

320,000, I think the last time

1:14:16

I checked employees. And the overwhelming

1:14:18

number of them get up every

1:14:21

day and get their job done.

1:14:23

They're committed, they're dedicated, they're dedicated.

1:14:25

I've been able to give them

1:14:27

a great contract. They're hard-working people.

1:14:29

But all you need are a

1:14:31

few people in strategic places that

1:14:33

can slow up the process. You

1:14:35

have to identify them, you have

1:14:37

to remove them when you can,

1:14:39

you have to replace them with

1:14:41

good people that you want. But

1:14:43

the big thing that I want

1:14:45

you to understand that May is

1:14:47

coming, go, president's coming, go, governor's

1:14:49

coming, go. Permanent government is real.

1:14:52

And whoever's trying to act like

1:14:54

it's not real, they're a lie.

1:14:56

So just on that, like dealing

1:14:58

with the bureaucracy. And I think

1:15:00

it's important that you said that

1:15:02

you said that right there are

1:15:04

like 300, 300, 300,000 government government

1:15:06

employees. them. We need them. And

1:15:08

they don't get caught up in

1:15:10

the madness. You know, you call

1:15:12

911? That ambulance, that cop is

1:15:14

coming. You know, that person on

1:15:16

the other line? Right. They're doing

1:15:18

their job every day. And this

1:15:20

is like an unbelievable task to

1:15:23

run the city every single day.

1:15:25

This is the fact that I

1:15:27

mean, anyway, so, so, so, so

1:15:29

I have a lot of like

1:15:31

unbelievable amount of respect for them.

1:15:33

And I, when I bring up,

1:15:35

like, like, Doge, I don't want

1:15:37

this to become, like, like, like,

1:15:39

like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:15:41

like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:15:43

like, And I understand how they

1:15:45

feel about... I'm glad you raised

1:15:47

that. Yeah, girl, I remember how

1:15:49

people feel about, like, you know,

1:15:51

swaths of people getting fired and

1:15:54

losing their ability to provide for

1:15:56

their families. Like, if that is

1:15:58

exactly what's happening, I have empathy

1:16:00

for those people as well, right?

1:16:02

Right. Right. Is there a, let's

1:16:04

say, more delicate way to go

1:16:06

into some of the permanent government

1:16:08

and make it more efficient, which

1:16:10

would help everyday New Yorkers? Does

1:16:12

that mean that there's more money?

1:16:14

for other programs. Right, right, right.

1:16:16

Those people need to get hired

1:16:18

for those other programs as well.

1:16:20

It's not like we're just going

1:16:22

to cut jobs forever. Right. Well

1:16:25

said, well said. Should we look

1:16:27

into permanent government in every municipality

1:16:29

without a doubt? Without a doubt,

1:16:31

without a doubt, without a doubt,

1:16:33

listen. How do you even say

1:16:35

that without people going, oh, they're

1:16:37

trying to know, I love this

1:16:39

city? and I love the people

1:16:41

in this city and I don't

1:16:43

care what you call me. I

1:16:45

don't care how much you yell

1:16:47

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1:16:49

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1:16:51

to tell me that people should

1:16:53

be sleeping on the streets. And

1:16:56

you can call me whatever you

1:16:58

want. I'm not going to lie

1:17:00

on the street. You're not going

1:17:02

to tell me that we should

1:17:04

have guns in our community. We

1:17:06

took 20,800 guns off our streets.

1:17:08

almost 1500 just this year alone

1:17:10

and we're seeing the results of

1:17:12

that and so you have to

1:17:14

go into government not saying okay

1:17:16

let me just say the right

1:17:18

things you know you have to

1:17:20

go in being your honest authentic

1:17:22

self and that's what we do

1:17:24

every day we're not gonna solve

1:17:27

all the problem but you can't

1:17:29

tell me we continue to spend

1:17:31

this much money and then have

1:17:33

40% of our children reading and

1:17:35

write in that great level yeah

1:17:37

it just doesn't all over the

1:17:39

country that's the thing like there

1:17:41

just has to be a better

1:17:43

way that's why I hate that

1:17:45

the doughish thing has become so

1:17:47

politicized because I think most Americans

1:17:49

agree like we don't want there

1:17:51

to be ways they do agree

1:17:53

and the thing is I keep

1:17:55

saying this and people don't like

1:17:58

it The trumped arrangement syndrome is

1:18:00

real. Yeah. You can hate someone

1:18:02

so much that even if they...

1:18:04

do something right. You're blind to

1:18:06

it. Right. You know that? And

1:18:08

you can like or dislike Elon,

1:18:10

but you don't have any right.

1:18:12

blowing up someone's Tesla. Right. Exactly.

1:18:14

You don't have any right. Yeah,

1:18:16

I mean, who do you think

1:18:18

you are? You know, you don't

1:18:20

have any right going in and

1:18:22

destroying. They drew a, they drew

1:18:24

a deck on his Tesla. Yeah,

1:18:26

I'm sorry about that, but yeah,

1:18:28

a white dick too. Small. But

1:18:31

think about that. Now, to be

1:18:33

fair. Yeah, they should get 40

1:18:35

years. Okay, I'm upset that you

1:18:37

are doing dulge and you're closing

1:18:39

down jobs, but you know what?

1:18:41

You should close down Tesla. What

1:18:43

about those people that worked there?

1:18:45

Dude, I literally said that I

1:18:47

was on this guy's podcast and

1:18:49

I was like, listen, I totally

1:18:51

understand you, Theel von der Leyse,

1:18:53

I said, I totally understand that

1:18:55

like you, people who are critical

1:18:57

of Elon, there's reasons to be

1:18:59

critical, everybody should have the freedom

1:19:02

to be critical. Right, right, right.

1:19:04

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1:19:06

hopingping that Tesla shuts down. Right.

1:19:08

Like I understand you're upset that

1:19:10

people lost jobs. It doesn't improve

1:19:12

the situation if you make more

1:19:14

people lose jobs. Right. It is

1:19:16

an American car company. Yeah, he's

1:19:18

the richest guy in the world.

1:19:20

He's not, he's going to be

1:19:22

okay. Right. Right. Right. The people

1:19:24

that work there. So you're upset

1:19:26

these people lost jobs. You're like,

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