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What's up everybody we'll be flagrant today

0:57

we are joined by I would say

0:59

the perfect guest to explain all the

1:01

chaos happening around us we have soccer

1:03

back in the day a lot of

1:05

things we have a lot of things

1:08

we need to discuss we got the

1:10

linsky yes and Thrompito and Vance Vance

1:12

making a big move the tape brothers

1:14

coming back to daddy yep brothers come

1:16

back to the west yes out out

1:18

of the west welcome home. Yeah, they're

1:20

like the new brine grina y' y'

1:23

y'y all better keep that Yes or

1:25

no? A weed pen versus

1:27

human traffic? Shouldn't do that

1:29

though. Yeah, innocent. What we're

1:32

saying is you call daddy

1:34

when you're getting trouble with

1:37

broad. I don't like these

1:39

Muslim refugees coming in against

1:42

me. Yeah, you're right. We

1:44

had enough Muslim refugees. That's

1:46

right. Yeah. We had enough

1:49

Muslim refugees. That's right. That's

1:51

right. He's an American. He's

1:54

an American. He's a American. He's

1:56

also a Romanian. So it's like, well, which law

1:58

of triumphs? American. What's your American? Yeah, all right.

2:00

In Rome, it's like he, when you

2:03

have the, when you have the, when

2:05

you are a Roman citizen, nobody fucks

2:07

with you. Does that, that was the

2:09

rule? Yeah. Do you guys ever watch

2:11

the HBO's Rome? Do you don't talk

2:14

about it? There's a great, I'm a

2:16

spoiler alert, sorry, I can't, 20 fucking

2:18

years ago. Where I think it was

2:20

Pompey got his head cut off by,

2:22

I think it was Cleopatra or the

2:25

Egyptians, or the Egyptians, or the Egyptians,

2:27

and Caesar, or Roman citizen. Except for

2:29

another role. I love that. I like that. I

2:31

like that. I like that. Yeah. So we ought to go.

2:33

So if you're American, you're American always. That's the rule. All

2:35

right. Even if you don't get that other story. We are

2:38

an empire. Some might as well start acting like the room.

2:40

Yes. Yeah. Like, let's be honest. If you saw two passports,

2:42

we'll start acting like the room. Yes. Yeah. Like, let's be

2:44

honest. If you saw two passports. We'll start acting like acting

2:46

like acting like acting like. I mean. I mean. I mean.

2:49

I mean. I mean. I don't like, I don't even. I

2:51

don't even believe in dual citizenship. I don't even. I don't

2:53

even. I don't even. I don't even. I don't even. I

2:55

don't even believe in dual citizenship. Can I go one further?

2:57

Yeah, go ahead. I don't even believe we need passports. Okay,

3:00

why not? Oh, it's Americans. We're

3:02

coming home. Yeah, you're going to

3:04

move over there? We're coming back.

3:06

Don't ask you what I'll tell

3:08

you when you're in Thailand. It's like

3:11

when you're in Thailand and they're like,

3:13

you got a 45 day? I'm like,

3:15

I like when I say it, I

3:17

like 20 dollars, you shut up. Yeah.

3:19

I don't want to, I show up

3:22

to even Canada. Yeah, especially if you'll

3:24

install the stamps. Yeah, you're right. Yeah,

3:26

how long are you going to stay

3:28

as long as I please? As long

3:31

as I please. You're in the 51st

3:33

state now. So it doesn't hear about.

3:35

Listen, Greenland. I don't even know about what Greenland the

3:37

way they're acting. You want Greenland. No, no, no. But the way

3:39

they're acting, I did want to give them the opportunity to be

3:41

American. Oh, really? And the fact that I don't see a lot

3:43

of like tweets on like Greenland, Twitter, whatever, like that. I need

3:45

to see more energy and excitement. Why not? I mean, they wore

3:47

their magga hats for Trump Jr. How did they really? Well, I

3:49

mean, there's controversy around it around a bunch of homeless Greenlanders and

3:51

gave them. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't know if.

3:53

I don't know if. I don't know if that. I don't know

3:55

if that. I don't know if that. I don't know if that.

3:57

I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true.

3:59

I don't think there's almost Greenlanders.

4:02

That's what I was saying.

4:04

There's only 50,000 of you.

4:06

It's a huge place. We're

4:08

not that hard. We're going

4:11

to give a quarter pound

4:13

a whale blubber to anybody

4:15

and folks to join America.

4:17

Okay, you can cut it

4:19

open with that little. What

4:22

is it? You can cut

4:24

it open with that little,

4:26

what is it? What is

4:28

it? That's a Greenland. Yeah,

4:30

that's a Greenland. Yeah. Yeah, that looks

4:33

like he looks like a Dagestan wrestling

4:35

player. Anyway, listen, we got a lot,

4:37

well, no, what else we got? We

4:39

got a Doge, we need to explain

4:41

Doge. Sure. Oh, you're the expert on

4:44

Doish now. Apparently, yeah, you're the Dooske.

4:46

Yeah. Actually, I have no

4:48

fucking clue what's going on. I

4:50

really have no clue, but you

4:52

came in today, like I think,

4:54

what did you say? What did

4:57

I say? That I'm going viral.

4:59

Oh, that you are going viral.

5:01

Yes. Your, you and Charlemagne's back

5:03

and forth on Doge has been,

5:05

I've seen it everywhere. That also

5:07

could be my algorithm. We're the

5:10

top political analyst in the world.

5:12

No offense. No, no. No, no.

5:14

No, no. No, no. No, one

5:16

people want to know what. What's

5:18

on that. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,

5:20

no, it's the same concept. That's

5:23

true. It's the same concept. I'm

5:25

liking it. Yeah, dude. Did you

5:27

steal our shit? I think I

5:29

did. Smart people. You're just brilliant,

5:32

brilliance. Okay. And then we got

5:34

more. Like, there's a bunch of

5:36

things that you are absolutely perfect

5:38

to explain to us. Oh, the

5:40

gold card citizenship. I want to

5:43

know. I want to know. Like,

5:45

why Steve Bannon's back around? Like,

5:47

like, I just. Did you watch the whole?

5:49

I watched the whole thing. Can you give

5:51

us your honest breakdown of it? Sure. I

5:53

mean, I, well, let me disclose my bias.

5:55

I've been very, I've been very against more

5:58

aid to you, crime, and for us. you

6:00

know, a settlement of the conflict

6:02

now for quite some time. So

6:04

my bias, like, totally up front.

6:06

And so seeing that all happened

6:08

was very, like, very pleasing to

6:10

me. But I'll try and be

6:12

just, like, neutral. So it was

6:14

a 53 minute interaction. It was

6:16

during something called a pool spray,

6:18

which is, so I used to

6:21

cover the White House. The way

6:23

that these things usually work is,

6:25

you have the king chairs where

6:27

Trump was in that chair, right

6:29

here, and it's supposed to just be

6:31

diplomatic fineries. Like it's supposed to just

6:33

be like, yes, Mr. President, we welcome

6:36

you to our country, blah, blah, blah.

6:38

For about 40 minutes, it mostly was

6:40

totally chill. Even Trump was like, you

6:43

guys have been very brave. If you

6:45

watch a lot of this, he was

6:47

very much trying to keep things under

6:50

control. But there was this moment, and

6:52

what happened is that Zilenski hates JD

6:54

hates JD, for a variety of reasons.

6:56

I had a viral moment where he

6:59

was like, I don't care about

7:01

Ukraine at all. He said that

7:03

on camera, became a huge controversy,

7:05

obviously became a villain inside Ukraine,

7:07

but he's also been kind of

7:09

a chief opponent of more military

7:11

aid to Ukraine or what I

7:13

would call is like the Atlantic

7:15

religion, like this idea that the

7:17

United States and Europe are inextricably

7:19

linked, that the invasion of Ukraine

7:21

is not only an attack on

7:23

democracy, it's an attack on America.

7:25

much more of a realist like

7:27

he thinks that there are checks and

7:30

balances and that stockpiles are mine are

7:32

our actual tradeoffs right so he's like

7:34

we can't just ship unlimited weapons to

7:36

Ukraine because we have to worry about

7:39

our own stuff where we need to

7:41

worry about Taiwan or we need to

7:43

worry about any other out pretty reasonable

7:45

I would say it's quite reasonable but

7:48

you know that's that they would say

7:50

otherwise and that's fine it's a democracy

7:52

but anyway so put that all together

7:54

you could see him lean forward the

7:57

way I am right now. And he's like, let

7:59

me ask you questions. Jay-D and that's when

8:01

I was like oh shit because well

8:03

first of all Jay-D was calling him

8:05

Mr. President he's calling him Jay-D he's

8:08

got a lot of hatred there don't

8:10

forget either Zalenski came to Pennsylvania and

8:12

as Jay-D called for Josh Shapiro yeah

8:14

not only that he gave an interview

8:16

here on US soil attacking Jay-D man

8:19

saying I forget you might be able

8:21

to find it Mark he either said

8:23

he was too radical or something like

8:25

that Oh my god. Yeah, you know

8:27

soccer's making money when you tell them

8:30

why they're not. That's uncomfortable. That's our

8:32

natural state. That's what a vague show,

8:34

right? As Indians, our natural state is

8:36

to tell you what to do. Exactly.

8:39

So that low cast piece of shit.

8:41

Go Google something, man. What do you

8:43

got? He's too radical. He's too radical.

8:45

There it is. All right. So let's

8:47

get Google. Oh man, Zelenski calls Vance

8:50

too radical, suggests that he needs to

8:52

study World War II. Yeah, so that

8:54

was September, that was right before the

8:56

election, and they start bickering basically over

8:59

the terms of the 2014 ceasefire. And

9:01

it was then that this all starts

9:03

to get very, very contentious. Can I

9:05

ask a real quick question? Yeah. the

9:07

agreement on the ceasefire? Is that the

9:10

idea of it? Well, there's no ceasefire

9:12

yet. So it's called the Minerals Deal.

9:14

So over the last one, let's say

9:16

a couple of weeks or so, Secretary

9:19

of the Treasury, Scott Besson, went to

9:21

Kiev basically to negotiate this long-term minerals

9:23

deal. The terms of the deal are,

9:25

it's kind of complicated, but like basically

9:27

it would give the United States rights

9:30

to Ukrainian rare earth minerals and U.

9:32

S companies would effectively have a monopoly

9:34

over that. in Ukraine that would not

9:36

be attacked. Now, Zelenski wants something called

9:39

an explicit security guarantee. So if you

9:41

attack us, we start banning bombing. Exactly.

9:43

So he wants his full-blown NATO membership.

9:45

That's not going to happen because it

9:47

would mean Article 5, get triggered, that

9:50

would obviously bring the United States into

9:52

a nuclear war. He's willing to settle,

9:54

of course, settle for an explicit US

9:56

guarantee over what I think Ukraine controls

9:58

now, although he's never even said that,

10:01

that would be a concession for him.

10:03

So this was supposed to be a

10:05

meeting of fineries. We're like, yeah, we're

10:07

here, we're here, we're here to work

10:10

together, we're here to work towards peace.

10:12

We're here, we're here to work towards

10:14

peace. being like, this guy can't even

10:16

say anything about peace with Putin. Which,

10:18

you know, I mean, let's give Zelenski

10:21

the benefit of the doubt and all

10:23

this, his country's been invaded, he's been

10:25

at war, his people are being killed.

10:27

So that's probably a lot to swallow.

10:30

But the thing is, from a pure

10:32

diplomatic, so that's probably a lot to

10:34

swallow. But the thing is, is that

10:36

from a pure diplomatic. Look, I mean

10:38

it was wild. It was wild. Yeah,

10:41

it was wild. Yeah. Even the guys

10:43

with the women with beards, you didn't

10:45

see that? Yeah. Those were, well beards,

10:47

I think it's a very progressive Gaza.

10:50

That's right. Gaza's gone woe. Maybe that's

10:52

why they cover them up. Okay. All

10:54

right, so what happened? Maybe that's why

10:56

they cover them up. Okay. Maybe that's

10:58

why they cover them, we had great

11:01

discussions, but and he had a shit

11:03

ton of USAid. The major guarantor of

11:05

their security, Zilenski just can't take it

11:07

and he breaks down. So you can

11:10

even see his posture. He starts going

11:12

at JD both over a ceasefire and

11:14

he starts questioning basic facts. So the

11:16

fact that really set Zilenski off is

11:18

when JD said you are pressing your

11:21

own male population into forced conscription because

11:23

you don't have enough manpower on the

11:25

front lines. That is an objective fact.

11:27

The average age of the Ukrainian military

11:29

is somewhere between 40 and 50. years

11:32

old which is insane that's like late

11:34

stage Germany fighting in World War II.

11:36

That's the civil war, the Confederate military,

11:38

the Confederate armed forces at the siege

11:41

of Petersburg. Who's left? Yeah, exactly. But

11:43

that's actually a key point. Remember, the

11:45

Ukrainians refused to drop their draft age

11:47

from, I think it's 25 or 27.

11:49

I'm not exactly sure. There's a whole

11:52

generation of 18 to 25-year-old or 27

11:54

that are not currently eligible for the

11:56

Ukrainian draft. And it's because it's massively

11:58

unpopular in Ukraine. So out of both

12:01

sides of their mouth, they're like, total

12:03

war, we're throwing everything we got this.

12:05

On the other side, they're like, total

12:07

war, we're throwing everything we got this.

12:09

On the other side, they're like, well,

12:12

we're also preserving our prime age, down

12:14

to 18. do that is A, the

12:16

guys don't want to fight because they've

12:18

watched probably a million or so people

12:21

get killed is B, they're just gonna

12:23

flee. I mean, if you guys go,

12:25

so I was in Hungary and in

12:27

Budapest, my guide, we walked past the

12:29

Four Seasons Hotel and he's like, you

12:32

see all these license plates? And it

12:34

was like Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine.

12:36

There's all filthy rich Ukrainians who've been

12:38

living in the Four seasons Gresham Palace

12:40

in Hungary. business. They've been just throwing,

12:43

he's like, these Ukrainians have been throwing

12:45

money around. to fight. I mean a

12:47

huge portion of their population is gone.

12:49

So there's all of that came to

12:52

head when JD was like you're forcibly

12:54

conscripting people. Empirically true. There are videos

12:56

of people. Dude sadly even people who

12:58

are mentally retarded who have been pressed

13:00

into service. Probably the strongest. It's horrible.

13:03

It's horrible. But I mean they can

13:05

probably no. But you can also look

13:07

at the amputations. If you want to

13:09

put, what does a coach do? If

13:12

you find the role, right? You. But

13:14

you're going to throw them. Hang it

13:16

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14:05

Let's get back to the show. Thank

14:07

you all so much. Bye. So the

14:09

feeling or the sentiment is at least

14:11

online that the population is fractured in

14:14

terms of their support of the war.

14:16

Yes. Which is not uncommon with countries

14:18

at war. I'm in America, Vietnam, right?

14:20

It was probably divided. Well, even in

14:23

an invasion, you have to remember, this

14:25

is a country which as a polity,

14:27

like was very torn apart. Russia, that's

14:29

largely the part that Russia kind of

14:31

controls right now. But then you also

14:34

have the, yeah, the Donbas region, you're

14:36

right, the Donbas, but also you have

14:38

this new Ukrainian identity, which has really

14:40

emerged a very distinct from how it

14:43

used to be in the Soviet times

14:45

and others. So anyway, it's fascinating. No,

14:47

I've never been to Ukraine. I've been

14:49

to all around Ukraine, but never actually.

14:51

Ukraine is awesome. Like Kiev is awesome.

14:54

Yeah. Where did you go? We went

14:56

during the last war. Which one? The

14:58

Crimea. Oh, okay. Yeah. So 2013? No,

15:00

2014. Something like that. But it was

15:03

like, I got, like, I knew something

15:05

was up because I got an email

15:07

from Expedia and they were like, uh,

15:09

by the way, it was something like,

15:11

uh... It was a, would you like

15:14

to rent a car for your trip?

15:16

By the way, this is an act

15:18

of war zone. Be safe. We were

15:20

there. It was unbelievable. Food was amazing.

15:22

I'm not nothing against Ukraine or peoples.

15:25

The food was incredible. Food was incredible.

15:27

Food was incredible. Yeah, it was incredible.

15:29

Yeah, I don't. Prostitudes were just so

15:31

incredible. It's just incredible. Like the girl

15:34

I saw. That's another sad part of

15:36

it. What is that? Just the number

15:38

of Ukrainian women who apparently are being

15:40

human traffics all over Europe. in terms

15:42

of prostitution, they're being totally taken. We're

15:45

trying to figure it out. We're trying

15:47

to figure it out. It's easier with

15:49

the retards than you are. Listen, that

15:51

is, that's fucking horrible. But these were

15:54

in use for you. Do you know

15:56

how fucking miserable those people in those

15:58

countries they're going to be? Those people

16:00

are going to be fucking furious, because

16:02

I saw a girl who had Arielos

16:05

like church way for the truth. They

16:07

were the whitest Ariel as I've ever

16:09

seen in my entire life. And I

16:11

had to go to four different ATM

16:14

to get enough money on the phone

16:16

for it. No, but salute to her.

16:18

Salute to her, man. You know, shout

16:20

out Zalenski. Anyway, um. Okay, so it

16:22

seems like there's waning support. This seems

16:25

like there's waning work. Because they're on

16:27

this trip club with the white nipple

16:29

chips. Ain't you a 25? No, they're

16:31

gone, bro. They're gone, bro. Or they

16:34

want to leave. No, so anyway. I

16:36

had to fake an orgasm. It's a

16:38

problem. And I had to fake an

16:40

orgasm. Because I had sex once, and

16:42

then my boy had a girl, then

16:45

he had sex, and then he went

16:47

back for number two. And I'm just

16:49

sitting on a couch with this poor

16:51

girl, I'm just sitting on a couch

16:53

with this poor girl, I want to.

16:56

So I take her back and I

16:58

got the oodon noodle, my shit is

17:00

not even close to hard. And then

17:02

I just, I just kind of pumped

17:05

away for a little bit and then

17:07

I was like, a ceasefire! A ceasefire

17:09

Ukrainians can support. Exactly. Yes, okay, so

17:11

you were saying, okay, so. in this

17:13

meeting. Also been the Russian strippers too.

17:16

I didn't do anything. Didn't touch them

17:18

at all. Just want to let you

17:20

know. Well you probably should. You should

17:22

say. I would. All right so what

17:25

we have in this meeting is not

17:27

only all of this beef around conscription

17:29

but really what happened is that Vance

17:31

started to get very frustrated and he

17:33

was like you come here to the

17:36

Oval Office of the United States you

17:38

disrespect this office. Yeah. You have no

17:40

cards. You have, you remember this? The

17:42

line to me was, the line to

17:45

me that ended it was, um. You

17:47

don't have to worry now, but in

17:49

the future, you have an ocean, so

17:51

you don't have to worry now, but

17:53

in the future, you will worry, or

17:56

something like that. Yeah, that's right. He

17:58

was like, don't tell us what to

18:00

be afraid of. I mean, this is

18:02

Trump. Like, Trump is not only transaction.

18:05

It's about respect. Apparently, they told Zelenski

18:07

to wear a suit before he came.

18:09

And Zelenski decided not to me is

18:11

where he lost everything. Absolutely. He's basically

18:13

acting this way for three years. That's

18:16

the shocking part of it. He has

18:18

this false, look, I mean, this is

18:20

where I'm going to put my own

18:22

bias on the table. Let's look at

18:24

all of the arguments for supporting Ukraine.

18:27

Number one is that we need to

18:29

defend NATO. And you're like, we need

18:31

to defend NATO. And you're like, OK,

18:33

well, Ukrainians, or Ukraine's not in NATO.

18:36

OK, got it. We need to defend

18:38

democracy. and hold an election during wartime.

18:40

He has banned opposition parties, censored the

18:42

media. I mean, it doesn't look that

18:44

democratic to me. And actually, one of

18:47

the core demands of the United States

18:49

is like, hey, you need to hold

18:51

an election. And he's like, no, we

18:53

can't do that. We can't possibly do

18:56

that. Even in his interview on Fox

18:58

News afterwards, they're like, would you resign?

19:00

He's like, that is up to Ukrainian.

19:02

I'm like, how? They can't vote? Yeah,

19:04

it's like, how does that work? Yeah.

19:07

Three was, okay, and this is the

19:09

most sinister in the disgusting one, is,

19:11

well, we need to support Ukraine because

19:13

we're weakening Russia, which means what? Which

19:16

is that we are forcing the Russians

19:18

to pour millions of men into Ukraine

19:20

and kill as many Russians as possible.

19:22

And somehow that's in the national interest

19:24

of the United States, is that we're

19:27

weakening Russia and we're making their economy

19:29

poorer. in the sense they don't give

19:31

a shit about a million guys who

19:33

get killed go look at their history

19:35

what always happens the war is a

19:38

disaster it's a total shit show they

19:40

make up for it with the vast

19:42

you know population that they have they

19:44

pour as many people in there very

19:47

inefficiently to kill a shit ton and

19:49

for some reason the population I mean

19:51

they don't love it but they're not

19:53

riding in the streets in the way

19:55

that's a fun foundational myth of their

19:58

country. We went to Russia as well.

20:00

We did comedy and we did comedy

20:02

in Russia. Not what actually must be

20:04

hard. What we did in Ukraine. And

20:07

so basically when I was asking them

20:09

about this, and I think that what

20:11

they have culturally is a lower expectation

20:13

of happiness. Absolutely, you're absolutely right. And

20:15

the advantage of that is, there's like

20:18

a suffering built into the culture. It's

20:20

in their story. Like their story going

20:22

back to the 1600s, it's just invasion,

20:24

is projection, all of Russian national security

20:27

policy, all the way back to the

20:29

time of the Zars, is what, defense

20:31

through depth, is vastness, our population, we

20:33

conquer as much as we can, forced

20:35

the up to Kiev, obviously invaded by

20:38

the Nazis, invaded by Napoleon. Their strength

20:40

is their vastness, is their population, and

20:42

their just capacity for suffering. The Chinese

20:44

have very some capacity for suffering. Yes,

20:47

absolutely. It's built into the culture, it's

20:49

built into their literature. There is this.

20:51

understanding that one does suffer absolutely one

20:53

of and something very powerful about that

20:55

and I think this is something that

20:58

like Americans maybe do not have right

21:00

at all since we haven't seen more

21:02

on our front lines and I'm talking

21:04

about actual war since the Civil War

21:06

oh yeah that's the closest we ever

21:09

came and remember what was that two

21:11

percent of the US population was killed

21:13

remember they got 20% of their population

21:15

that was killed they had general orders

21:18

that during Stalin the not one step

21:20

back policy Stalin's son was captured and

21:22

he threw his daughter in law in

21:24

prison because they said any person who

21:26

gets captured, your whole family is going

21:29

to the gulag. That is the DNA

21:31

of the Russian state. I don't know

21:33

if this is like a benefit to

21:35

this, but what happens when 20% of

21:38

your population dies and its men is

21:40

that any man that's alive is like

21:42

an absolute has six women yeah that's

21:44

right and this is why there was

21:46

no standard for like not being an

21:49

alcoholic or not being a piece of

21:51

shit like that's true it literally because

21:53

if you had a cop that worked

21:55

that worked that was the only way

21:58

to continue procreating you know I spoke

22:00

to a guy who was like taking

22:02

us around Ukraine he was like essentially

22:04

our fixer right there and he was

22:06

and that's what he like takes people

22:09

around these places where you might feel

22:11

like people around these places where you

22:13

might feel a different girls If you

22:15

had a job, you could pay the

22:17

bills and you could feed them. And

22:20

the girls had to kind of put

22:22

up with it. Now they get upset

22:24

with that. So what happens when they

22:26

get upset about it? There is a

22:29

sexual revolution because you have to compete

22:31

for the guy. You're not in the

22:33

position to be like, you're not in

22:35

the position to be like, you know,

22:37

I'm keeping my pussy. probably only women

22:40

right now right they just lived I

22:42

actually read a book about what Moscow

22:44

was like when they thought the Nazis

22:46

were about to come yeah and it

22:49

was the most debaucherous like party that

22:51

the Moscow apparently had ever seen like

22:53

people were just housing vodka like having

22:55

sex and stairwells and they were right

22:57

they were excited they were there was

23:00

just like this is it they're about

23:02

to die so we're all about to

23:04

die and so they just it was

23:06

crazy man it's the same way if

23:09

you read about how our guys behaved

23:11

in London the airman in World War

23:13

two you're like yo dude this is

23:15

this is bad man like the US

23:17

army's like trying to find prophylactic kits

23:20

that will actually work the entire Piccadilly

23:22

circus was it a literal whorehouse for

23:24

U.S. soldiers? Do they have, this is

23:26

part of the World War two? My

23:29

grandma's there. They've been doing this nonstop,

23:31

okay? My grandmother survived World War two.

23:33

I want British power! She survived. She

23:35

survived. She survived. They barely survived. She

23:37

was like, to really serve her. She

23:40

never goes into pictures and a bunker.

23:42

She's in a bunker. She had nice

23:44

stockings? Apparently that's what they really like.

23:46

Oh, no, the U.S. soldiers stock. U.S.

23:48

soldiers were paid five times the wage

23:51

of a British soldier at that time.

23:53

The guys had no chance. The Brits

23:55

were furious about it. They're like, our

23:57

invasions, here are these yanks. They're oversex,

24:00

overpaid, overpaid, and overpaid, and overpaid. That

24:02

was like, like, like, like, like, like,

24:04

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

24:06

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

24:08

like, like, like, like, like, All my

24:11

family was over there at that time.

24:13

Boys! But you said Russia doesn't care

24:15

about losing people, but why did they?

24:17

They were as much as much. Why

24:20

did they recruit North Koreans to fight

24:22

for? Well, that's actually an interesting thing.

24:24

So first, I think the North Koreans

24:26

want battle experience because they have one

24:28

of the world's largest militaries, but two

24:31

is the North Koreans have tons of

24:33

ammunition. They have a stockpile. And actually,

24:35

this is a useful thing for geopolitics.

24:37

I saw a tweet today. Take Russia

24:40

seriously, like smaller GDP than Texas, you

24:42

know, all of this. And I was

24:44

like, oh, the answer is like 9,000

24:46

nuclear weapons. It's like the same thing

24:48

with North Korea. I don't even know

24:51

what the North Korean GDP is. I

24:53

saw the Russian oil ships coming through

24:55

because they have oil and gas. No

24:57

one could really tell you what to

25:00

do. I was in Istanbul. Yes. But

25:02

when you have nuclear weapons and you

25:04

have oil and gas. Of course. No

25:06

one could really tell you what to

25:08

do. I was in Istanbul. Yes. And

25:11

I saw the Russian oil ships coming

25:13

through because they have to go through

25:15

there. Yeah, that's right. What is that

25:17

little? Bosphris. Bosphris. Yeah. I think that's

25:19

what it is. And they basically took

25:22

away the Russian lettering the Russian lettering

25:24

on the Russian lettering on the side

25:26

of the side of ships. So that's

25:28

like, remember there's an oil embargo, nobody's

25:31

going to buy Russian oil. Totally, they

25:33

just painted over the side of the

25:35

ships and then Russian oil became no

25:37

oil. Well this is a very useful

25:39

exercise in like how power works. So

25:42

America, like our economy doesn't do, we

25:44

don't produce anything, we're a service-based economy.

25:46

We're a service-based economy. We're like, oh

25:48

well we're cut the Russians, expanding because

25:51

of war production. We tried to carry

25:53

them, we canceled them. We were like,

25:55

we literally tried to do business with

25:57

Russia. That's right. We went woke. And

25:59

they made a lot of money? Yeah,

26:02

and they made a shit like money.

26:04

Actually, the European Union has spent more

26:06

in year three just on Russian oil

26:08

than they have given to Ukraine. So

26:11

there's a lot of talking out of

26:13

all sides of their mouth. But this

26:15

is a very less useful lesson for

26:17

America. Guns, bullets, oil, that's the only

26:19

shit that matters. That's all that matters.

26:22

Oh, and video, stock, or it's bullshit.

26:24

Stop it. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, what's

26:26

happening? Oh, good. I mean, check the,

26:28

what's the S&P 500? Oh, God. I

26:30

don't think it's good. It's been dropping

26:33

like 1.5%. Yeah, but in business, you're

26:35

so big earnings and they have a

26:37

new chip that's gonna do really well.

26:39

Actually, but there's, there's, there's, there's, there's,

26:42

there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's,

26:44

there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's,

26:46

there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's,

26:48

there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's,

26:50

there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's,

26:53

there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's,

26:55

there's Like, are we selling? Say again?

26:57

Cryptos in the tank. Yeah, cryptos in

26:59

that guy. Not really, though. It's like

27:02

when Bitcoin crashes from 100 to 80,

27:04

you're like, come on, you know what

27:06

I mean? It's like, it's like, it's

27:08

like, it's like, it's like, it's like,

27:10

it's like, two months? That's kind of

27:13

crazy. Okay, sure, but I'm not, I'm

27:15

like, I'm like, I'm like, sure, but

27:17

I'm like, but I'm like, but I'm

27:19

like, but I'm like, I'm like, but

27:22

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, like,

27:24

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

27:26

that's kind of, that's kind of, that's

27:28

kind of, that's kind of, that's kind

27:30

of, that's kind of, that's kind of,

27:33

that's kind of, that's kind of, that's

27:35

kind of, that's kind of, like, that's

27:37

Sure, yeah, absolutely. Because if you're going

27:39

to look at that exponential growth over

27:42

the past decade. Listen, I'm saying in

27:44

terms of like national character, like for

27:46

example, I've been thinking a lot about

27:48

this with cars, with, look, American cars,

27:50

like if we're being honest and if

27:53

we had a totally free market, I'm

27:55

buying a Chinese EV yesterday. Like, are

27:57

you kidding me? They're incredible. There's this

27:59

guy, Forrest, Forrest, Forrest Auto reviews. He's

28:01

so good. He does all these videos

28:04

showing. for even their car that costs

28:06

$10,000. Like if you buy a Tesla,

28:08

FSD will cost you an extra $8.

28:10

No, no, no. I don't want these

28:13

to be sold here. I don't want

28:15

them to be sold here. But that's

28:17

my point. Is that we have to

28:19

recognize our cars, even though they suck.

28:21

This car industry, it's not only jobs,

28:24

during World War II, what did we

28:26

do? The Ford factory, that's rolling tanks

28:28

off of there, right? That's rolling tanks,

28:30

rolling tanks, and strategic, and strategic autonomy.

28:33

So this is also the problem Ukraine.

28:35

Ukraine does not have any of that.

28:37

They're totally reliant on the United States

28:39

and on Europe. So why is he

28:41

pulling up talking shit? That's my point.

28:44

I just don't understand why you're giving

28:46

us the facts. You're giving us like

28:48

the truth behind it. You're acknowledging your

28:50

bias, but I think most Americans are

28:53

just reacting emotionally to this. And of

28:55

course, the idea, of course, as people

28:57

do, and it's important to speak to

28:59

them at the emotional level, because that's

29:01

where most people lie. So the idea

29:04

that we have here is, hey, we've

29:06

been giving you billions of dollars, and

29:08

then you came up and you were

29:10

kind of talking spice. to the person

29:12

who's feeding you. Yeah, that's right. I

29:15

don't know why he thinks he can't

29:17

just come kiss the ring. Does he

29:19

think he'll lose the support of the

29:21

people in Ukraine? I think he's... I

29:24

think he's... Why does he feel like

29:26

he has leverage? I think he's been

29:28

huffing European glue. So the thing is

29:30

that if you look right now, so

29:32

right now, literally as you and I

29:35

are speaking, they're in London, crafting a

29:37

peace agreement, which they're going to propose,

29:39

but this is where it's all bullshit.

29:41

You don't have to do any... No

29:44

US troops on the ground. I'm like,

29:46

okay, good. They're like, but you have

29:48

to pay for it. You have to

29:50

provide ISR, which is intelligence support, you

29:52

know, and all that. You have to

29:55

do your ISR. You have to provide

29:57

all the bullets. You have to pay

29:59

for it. And so what are you

30:01

revealing to us is that France and

30:04

Germany don't even have the capacity to

30:06

forward deploy 30,000 peacekeeping troops in a

30:08

tiny country like Ukraine. all of NATO

30:10

combined in an entire year. So that's

30:12

with the United States. He's acting as

30:15

if there's another option. Yes, he thinks

30:17

that the, he can't be so naive.

30:19

He is, man, I think he is,

30:21

the rhetoric that's coming from the UK.

30:24

He wants the UK and France and

30:26

Germany and all the other NATO countries

30:28

to give him a security guarantee before

30:30

he will provide or he will sign

30:32

any ceasefire or any deal. But again,

30:35

as I just told you guys. Any

30:37

peacekeeping deal signed by France or Germany

30:39

is bullshit without the United States. They

30:41

don't have anything. So here's the thing.

30:43

They're paper tigers. I heard what he

30:46

said. I heard what he said in

30:48

it where he's essentially like, hey, we

30:50

could do the ceasefire agreement, but they

30:52

haven't respected ceasefire agreements in the past.

30:55

Right. Which I understand. No, he's actually

30:57

correct about that. So he's like, why

30:59

would this matter if I do a

31:01

ceasefire agreement if we know for a

31:03

fact that they don't respect that. protections

31:06

before for the Ukraine if I'm not

31:08

mistaken. Was it in Budapest that we

31:10

decided if they would relinquish their nuclear

31:12

weapons to support them? Let's talk about

31:15

that too. I hear this a lot

31:17

from the Pro-Kram off. Before we go

31:19

back to that, before we get to

31:21

that one, again, I'm not trying to

31:23

like catch you here. What I'm trying

31:26

to do is somewhat understand his perspective.

31:28

And this is what I thought. Because

31:30

there's a part of me that goes,

31:32

listen, as long as Trump is in

31:35

office. Russia is not doing a single

31:37

thing if this is agreed upon. Yeah,

31:39

nothing's and if Trump was going to

31:41

be in office for the next 40

31:43

years This version of a ceasefire where

31:46

it doesn't guarantee American muscle behind it

31:48

This version of a ceasefire Russia is

31:50

going to respect 100% here is my

31:52

concern if I am Ukraine. Yeah, or

31:55

if I am Zelenski and I think

31:57

he handled it horribly in the room

31:59

There's a much better way to say

32:01

like if I was him if I

32:03

did want to litigate in the media

32:06

as JD Vance said is this I

32:08

know I could sign this deal with

32:10

you and you would protect us. And

32:12

I know that Russia would not mess

32:14

with you because they take you seriously.

32:17

And they would not. But what happens

32:19

if next election we get the same

32:21

people back that they did not take

32:23

seriously? And they're not afraid of. How

32:26

do I get security? I'm not worried

32:28

about the next four years. Because I

32:30

know that Putin would not be stupid

32:32

enough to mess with Donald Trump. I

32:34

would keep on going that he would

32:37

be crazy because you would do the

32:39

ultimate thing. But in four years, according

32:41

to your laws, you're not going to

32:43

have Donald Trump. We don't know what

32:46

would happen, and now we're left in

32:48

the dark, and the next administration could

32:50

have the same sway with Putin as

32:52

the last one did, which is Putin

32:54

is not afraid with him, he'll do

32:57

what he'll do, which is Putin is

32:59

not afraid with him, he'll do what

33:01

he want. Well, you're not afraid with

33:03

him, he'll do what he want. You're

33:06

not afraid with him, he'll do what

33:08

he want. You're doing what he want?

33:10

You're doing what he's not afraid with

33:12

him? You're what he'll do what he'll

33:14

do what he want? You're what he

33:17

want? You're what he want? You're what

33:19

he's not afraid with him? You're what

33:21

he'll do what he want? You're what

33:23

he want? You're what he's not afraid

33:25

with? He'll do what he'll do what

33:28

he want? He'll do what he's not

33:30

afraid with him? He'll do what he'll

33:32

do TSMC chip and phone. Okay? Why

33:34

do we care about Vietnam? Because they

33:37

make all of our clothing. Why do

33:39

we care about Germany? How many German

33:41

cars are on the road? All relations

33:43

between states come down to trade. That

33:45

is a fundamental insight. The problem of

33:48

the post World War II order is

33:50

what's led to this is that we

33:52

have decided oh it's democracy and feelings

33:54

and all this other bullshit it's like

33:57

no the purpose of a Navy so

33:59

you're saying the trade deal yeah would

34:01

incentivize the United States to protect them

34:03

because if Russia yes invaded any further

34:05

and it negatively impacted our United States

34:08

economy yes now what if they invaded

34:10

further, but it didn't impact the places

34:12

where our resources came from. Yeah, well,

34:14

this is a, well, that's a bigger

34:17

question of whether we should even have

34:19

NATO membership for a lot of these

34:21

countries. Look, it settled, it doesn't matter.

34:23

The U.S. Senate has ratified the treaty,

34:25

but there were a lot of people

34:28

in the 90s, when they were talking

34:30

about NATO expansion into Latvia, Lithuania, and

34:32

Estonia. We're like, guys, this is in

34:34

the traditional, not only sphere of influence,

34:37

but what compelling interest does not... even

34:39

equal bilateral trade between us in a

34:41

single province or a single state in

34:43

Mexico. Like and see this is the

34:45

thing we don't want to talk in

34:48

balance sheet terms and it's important but

34:50

come back to your point you're right.

34:52

But here's the problem. You have no

34:54

leverage. And at the end of the

34:56

day, you do not matter to the

34:59

United States. And this is my bias

35:01

again, but at the end of the

35:03

day, the United States has no compelling

35:05

interest over who compels the Denise region

35:08

of Ukraine. They just don't. In fact,

35:10

all of Ukraine, even before the invasion,

35:12

ranked like 50-some billion bilateral trade with

35:14

the United States, that's one-fourth of what

35:16

we do with Brazil. If Brazil was

35:19

invaded by Argentina, See you. Yeah. I

35:21

was like, good luck. I'm working out.

35:23

I'll buy my coffee from Colombia. You

35:25

know what I'm saying? It's amazing. He

35:28

must know something we don't know. By

35:30

creating a financial alignment, I feel like

35:32

he was even more leveraged. Like by

35:34

creating an ideological position? Like by creating

35:36

an even more leverage, like by creating

35:39

an ideological position? You know, you're exactly

35:41

right. Like purely like finance Now Russia

35:43

can just come in and be like,

35:45

hey, it's a race to the bottom,

35:48

we'll just beat them on press. You're

35:50

totally correct. Or Russia could go, we're

35:52

going to invade, we're going to take

35:54

over those resources, and we're going to

35:56

give them two for half price. Russell

35:59

just got a little bigger. And so

36:01

Zilinsky knows this. It's a race to

36:03

the bottom. So then now he has

36:05

to say it's idealizable. We have to

36:07

protect democracy. Yes. Yes. That is very

36:10

double click. Everybody on that one. So

36:12

we have to so we have to

36:14

protect democracy even though he is not

36:16

protecting democracy within his own country. It

36:19

falls apart on its very own. Sure.

36:21

But emotionally he's doing the right thing

36:23

to protect the longevity. I think he's.

36:25

taking advantage of the United States, I

36:27

think it's an arrogant, preck, all of

36:30

this. The way he handled himself immediately

36:32

after it with the media, by convincing

36:34

the West and others that there is

36:36

this compelling interest, he was managed to

36:39

get a hundred billion dollars from the

36:41

world's superpower, more than we spent on

36:43

20 years of the Afghan national security

36:45

forces. We have sent to Ukraine in

36:47

three years. Think about that, that's fucking

36:50

insane, the greatest transfer of military aid

36:52

in modern US history. On top of

36:54

that, he convinces all of these European

36:56

nations, Germany, France, the great powers, not

36:59

only to come to his defense, but

37:01

to tie his borders to their own

37:03

and say it is a strategic interest

37:05

of the French, of the German, of

37:07

the UK people, to make sure that

37:10

we're compelled. And you know, in the

37:12

beginning, a lot of them did support

37:14

that. But, and this is where it

37:16

all starts to fall apart. Europe led

37:19

by Europeans. So when we look at

37:21

the polling that's in the UK and

37:23

France and in Germany, they're like, support

37:25

for Ukraine was sky high. Now they're

37:27

like, should we continue or should we

37:30

have a deal? In almost every country

37:32

it's flipped. So the Europeans are now

37:34

in a position where now they're like,

37:36

should we continue or should we have

37:38

a deal? In almost every country it's

37:41

flipped. So the Europeans are now in

37:43

a position. have given Ukraine $67 billion

37:45

in military aid? That's more than every

37:47

other country in the world combined, right?

37:50

The Europeans are like, oh, we've given

37:52

Ukraine a bunch of aid. It's like,

37:54

bro, you bring them fucking refugees. Yeah,

37:56

but I'm saying, you matter. This is

37:58

bullshit. Guns and bullets. Guns and bullets

38:01

are the only ones. Guns and bullets

38:03

are the only. Guns and bullets are

38:05

the only. Guns are the only guns.

38:07

Guns are the only. Guns and bullets

38:10

are the only. Guns are nuclear weapons.

38:12

why America not has to support them,

38:14

and not just should, is the Budapest

38:16

agreements. And back, the Budapest memorandum, which

38:18

was in the 90s, where they agreed

38:21

to give up their nuclear weapons, and

38:23

in exchange, the United States was like,

38:25

yeah, we'll, you know, think about protecting

38:27

it. Oh, it's not. We're gonna protect

38:30

it? No. And even if we had

38:32

said that, it was never ratified by

38:34

the US Senate. NATO. That's true. Our

38:36

Secretary of State Burns under George H.W.

38:38

Bush, he was like, look, we're not

38:41

going to expand NATO. Don't worry about

38:43

it. They were like, okay, that's the

38:45

position of the U.S. government. Well, what

38:47

changed? They lost the election. Bill Clinton

38:50

came into office. George W. Bush came

38:52

into office. They changed the policy. But

38:54

the thing is, is that the Russians,

38:56

treaty binding obligation of the United States

38:58

where two-thirds of the United States Senate

39:01

ratified we will never expand NATO. So

39:03

no, it's not fair to say that

39:05

America guaranteed. That's not how our system

39:07

works, nor should it, right? The word

39:09

of the president. It's not a... king

39:12

who sets born policy for all the

39:14

time. Exactly. And so the Budapest memorandum,

39:16

yes, it was a policy document, but

39:18

it provides no obligation from the United

39:21

States to lift one finger for Ukraine.

39:23

And if we think about again where

39:25

the Russians are coming in, they're like,

39:27

okay, so in the post-Cold War era,

39:29

you guys bombed Kosovo. Is that in

39:32

NATO? Why was that? NATO operation? You

39:34

guys NATO literally took out Gaddafi. You

39:36

know, one of the things that the

39:38

North Koreans always tell us because we're

39:41

like, hey, give up your nukes. They're

39:43

like... I'm not giving on my nukes.

39:45

Gaddafi gave up his nukes. You've shoved

39:47

a rot up his ass and blew

39:49

the shit out of his own country.

39:52

What a dumb idea to give up

39:54

your nukes. Kim Jong-un will never give

39:56

up his nukes. If I was them,

39:58

I'd be like, fuck you. If I

40:01

was them, I'd be like, fuck you.

40:03

If I was them, I'd be like,

40:05

fuck you. If I was them, I'd

40:07

be like, fuck you. If I was

40:09

them, I was them, I'd be like,

40:12

I'd be like, right, right, I'd, I'd,

40:14

I'd, I'd, I'd write up his naught,

40:16

I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd,

40:18

I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd,

40:20

I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd,

40:23

I'd, I'd, I'd, its ability to invade

40:25

Ukraine and frankly get away with most

40:27

of it is what nuclear weapons so

40:29

I don't love that reality but it's

40:32

just true for Zalinsky then if we

40:34

cannot trust the daddy country I America

40:36

in this situation to protect Then why

40:38

make a deal that you know that

40:40

they won't reinforce? So then you're just

40:43

going to fall apart without us. Don't

40:45

fall apart. Say we will say give

40:47

us nukes. Okay. Yeah, you can say

40:49

that. I'm just saying no. Next question,

40:52

right? Give us nukes. You know what

40:54

I'm saying. No, next question, right? Give

40:56

us nukes. You know what I would

40:58

say. Give us nukes. You know. Next

41:00

question, right? Give us nukes. You know.

41:03

Give us. Give us. Give us. Give

41:05

us. Give us. Give us. Give us.

41:07

Give us. Give us. Give us. Give

41:09

us. Give us. Give us. Give us.

41:12

Give us. Give us. Give us. Give

41:14

us. Give us. own analysts tell us

41:16

that they'll fall apart in three months

41:18

after the cutoff of USAID. This is

41:20

again just where we have a small

41:23

nation that thinks it's a great power.

41:25

It can dictate terms to the United

41:27

States. I think it's the Europeans. Where's

41:29

the cool? So the Europeans are propping

41:32

him up and thinking that they're like

41:34

the last line of defense for democracy.

41:36

I can't find them. How do you

41:38

not read a spreadsheet? That's where I

41:40

do. I'm like, bro, look at the

41:43

number of bullets coming in. I'm just

41:45

a moral. I'm not even talking about

41:47

the spreadsheet. I'm talking about like, what

41:49

interest does Putin have in expanding Russia

41:51

into Europe? Well, that's, well, here's the

41:54

thing. Does it have an interest? Yeah,

41:56

in tradition, like, you know, Russia controlled

41:58

vast swaths of all that territory, Latvia,

42:00

Lithuania, Georgia, all of these parts were

42:03

a traditional part of the Soviet or

42:05

Russian Empire. But here's the thing. Three

42:07

of those countries that is named are

42:09

in NATO. So the interests you have

42:11

to not do it is to avoid

42:14

nuclear war. Also Russia is a Christian

42:16

nation. That's true. I don't understand why

42:18

he would expand west into Europe with

42:20

all these Muslim countries. Why do you

42:23

want most of the nations? I don't

42:25

know that too. Yeah, that's right. He

42:27

actually does use a lot of that

42:29

though. Really? Yeah, he talks a lot

42:31

about the Orthodox Church and about how

42:34

Ukraine is attacking the Russian Orthodox, which

42:36

is true. That's true. That's true. And

42:38

they're attacking the Russian Orthodox and how

42:40

it's like a defense of Russian or

42:43

whatever. I don't like that stuff. So,

42:45

so, so, okay, what do, so the,

42:47

how does this. How does this play

42:49

out in the very near future? What

42:51

do you think happens? Near future. Does

42:54

he tuck his tail? And then he

42:56

refused to. He'd had Fox interview immediately

42:58

afterwards. He had hours to think about

43:00

it. He did it live. He was

43:02

four hours in between to apologize. He

43:05

didn't apologize. He just said, no. He's

43:07

like, we had to have honest dialogue.

43:09

Like he's huffing the European, can't protect

43:11

him. He's in London. He's literally, as

43:14

I said, as I'm. America's going to

43:16

say, no, why should we pay for

43:18

that? Why should we continue to do

43:20

it? And it'll be, look, it's up

43:22

to Trump too. I mean, if I

43:25

were Trump to continue weapons flowing into

43:27

Ukraine when they're actively working against your

43:29

policy is ridiculous. I think that Zelenski

43:31

needs to find out tomorrow what reality.

43:34

And this, again, this is my personal

43:36

opinion moving to from analysts. This country.

43:38

It's greatest victory is survival. You get

43:40

to live. Do you know how lucky

43:42

you are? But they don't, that's what

43:45

I'm trying to say. Somebody's drinking a

43:47

cool aid over there. I don't know

43:49

what the fuck it is. I don't

43:51

get it. But yeah, I mean, I

43:54

do get it in a sense. What

43:56

I accept. No, but I'm an American

43:58

citizen. We have nukes. We have the

44:00

greatest military in the world that's ever

44:02

seen. And I want to hear what

44:05

to say. I don't get it because

44:07

let's just be honest here. There's only

44:09

a few countries. Every other one. exists

44:11

based on the relationship. So here's an

44:14

influence theory. That's what you're talking about.

44:16

Exactly. China is a real country. Russia

44:18

is a real country. China, India, Russia,

44:20

the US, UK, Germany. Yeah. UK, German,

44:22

I don't know. UK, German, I don't

44:25

know if they're real. I don't know

44:27

if they're real. I'm not. UK, German,

44:29

I don't know if they're real. I

44:31

mean, if you can't bang on your

44:33

own. Yeah. you can't do fair enough

44:36

fair enough fair enough but now it

44:38

does it real quick real quick yeah

44:40

so the point of try the point

44:42

of trying to say is like if

44:45

Ukraine cannot defend itself yes empirically they

44:47

cannot from there there's no chance yes

44:49

without the support of these other countries

44:51

yes you can't dictate to those other

44:53

countries what the policy right right because

44:56

you don't have sovereignty. That's right. You're

44:58

not really a sovereign nation. Absolutely. You

45:00

are a sovereign nation as much as

45:02

someone else will pretend to. You are

45:05

a vassal state. Yes, you are a

45:07

vassal state if we think about the

45:09

old. This is the issue with the

45:11

way that we talk about this stuff

45:13

is that Americans and unfortunately a lot

45:16

of people don't want to speak in

45:18

reality. Is America the rules braced international

45:20

order? Is that for the benefit of

45:22

everybody else or is a mercantilist? He

45:25

says shit where he's like, yeah, we'll

45:27

protect you. You have to give us

45:29

500 million in minerals or billion in

45:31

minerals. We're like, what? No, democracy. Also,

45:33

it's like, guys, oh, we protect democracy,

45:36

but one of our greatest allies is

45:38

Saudi Arabia. We don't care. We don't

45:40

care. We don't give a fuck. We

45:42

don't. Like, yeah. It's like, oh, you

45:45

have oil? OK, let's like people anymore.

45:47

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They promote a promote

45:49

a lot of our economy. I think

45:51

that's a fair question and it comes

45:53

down to I feel bad for the

45:56

people who are we okay with just

45:58

we've been told to the longest rushes

46:00

the enemy rushes back why all of

46:02

a sudden are we okay with just

46:04

like hey Russia you can invade a

46:07

country and take their land I think

46:09

that's a fair question and it comes

46:11

down to I feel bad for the

46:13

people who really believe that and are

46:16

now watching how geopolitics works in real

46:18

time like the idea that the United

46:20

States who invaded Iraq for no reason

46:22

is going around dictating, you know, illegal

46:24

and illegal. That's one of my favorite

46:27

things, by the way, is Russia illegally

46:29

invaded Ukraine. I was like, what's a

46:31

legal invasion? I was like, there's just

46:33

an invasion. There's just an invasion. There's

46:36

just an invasion. There's just an invasion.

46:38

There's like, there's just a successful invasion

46:40

or an invasion. But to return to

46:42

your point, that goes to the religion.

46:44

That's what I was talking about. they're

46:47

wrong. The real politics answer for that

46:49

would be invasion, all that is bad

46:51

for business. But the point that comes

46:53

down to it is what? compelling interest

46:56

does the United States have in continuing

46:58

this war. Not only for our economy,

47:00

you know, the United States consumer probably

47:02

paid an extra buck 50 for gas

47:04

for two straight years because of Russian

47:07

sanctions. It was a disaster for our

47:09

economy. I actually think it's a huge

47:11

reason Biden lost the election if you

47:13

think about a lot of the inflation

47:15

where that came from. But even more

47:18

so, what we know at the end

47:20

of the day is that we cannot

47:22

change the reality of this war without

47:24

direct United States intervention. What should it

47:27

be the interest of the world to

47:29

not let countries do that? Because now

47:31

it's like what stops Russia from just

47:33

keeping it. Well, NATO actually is that

47:35

we have NATO membership around all these

47:38

other countries and they're not going to

47:40

invade because we're going to nuke them.

47:42

But every other country in the world

47:44

is like, we, first of all, we

47:47

have no obligation to do it. But

47:49

second, what is the impact on America?

47:51

Do some deal. I think Saudi foreign

47:53

Russian oil all this shit is propaganda

47:55

like all this and the US is

47:58

kind of a victim of its own

48:00

propaganda It doesn't need to be our

48:02

enemy. There's no reason in if we

48:04

can't 1991. There's literally no reason That's

48:07

what I'm saying like why we at

48:09

like let's what is that a? What

48:11

is it, the McDonald's theory or whatever?

48:13

Like two plaques with the McDonald's haven't

48:15

gone to war, which I think they

48:18

have now. It's kind of stupid. But

48:20

yeah, yeah. But the idea is like

48:22

this mutually assured success. Well, let's give

48:24

you check the pockets. Well, actually, I

48:27

disagree with that theory. It's called democratic

48:29

peace. Well, it's called democratic peace theory.

48:31

It's called democratic peace theory. It's called

48:33

democratic peace. Well, I disagree. I disagree

48:35

with a lot of McDonald's. Democratic outcomes

48:38

per se. I don't care if they

48:40

have it. I'm fine, yeah. I'm done

48:42

with everybody else in democracy. Yeah, me

48:44

too, but like I hate this idea

48:46

like the country got to get a

48:49

democracy and within 10 years figure it

48:51

out. We had a whole civil war

48:53

over democracy. This shit takes hundreds of

48:55

years and even then every election it's

48:58

good versus evil and presence are getting

49:00

shot at. Let's stop acting like they

49:02

got to figure it out immediately. Absolutely.

49:04

And if they don't want it. fine

49:06

you don't want it whatever this is

49:09

what happens whatever we say goes that's

49:11

the rule correct that's the rule yeah

49:13

that's not happening no but I think

49:15

what soger saying is throughout history it's

49:18

never actually been about that yes we

49:20

didn't give a fuck about Vietnam having

49:22

democracy there's some other resource we wanted

49:24

we didn't go fuck about the york

49:26

having we wanted oil yes but that

49:29

was a good ideological that's a very

49:31

good example is that was when ideology

49:33

trumped Ukraine, Vietnam, Iraq, all have three

49:35

things in common. They are wars not

49:38

of national interest. They are wars of

49:40

ideology. That's where the American people see

49:42

through it clearly. We're good. We're nice.

49:44

We want to protect and stop bad

49:46

things from happening. But after a while,

49:49

or is it actually ideological reasons? Because

49:51

what I'm picking up from you is,

49:53

what I'm picking up is, we give

49:55

the American people this ideology and that's

49:58

why we need to invade and maybe

50:00

not. I don't see a boudirat, it

50:02

was oil, it was whatever, get back

50:04

for George Senor, who knows. There was

50:06

another real reason, and it's probably what

50:09

Trump seems to be kind of cutting

50:11

through is like... I don't give a

50:13

fuck. Yeah. I'll give you freedom. It's

50:15

not about your freedom. It's about what

50:17

you can do for us. That's exactly

50:20

right. And that seems to be what

50:22

it actually has always been about when

50:24

I'm picking up here. When you look

50:26

at liberals, then their main concern right

50:29

now, they're like, America did not vote

50:31

with the rest of the United Nations.

50:33

I'm like, America did not vote with

50:35

the rest of the United Nations. I'm

50:37

like, so, America did not vote. We

50:40

don't have a treaty saying that we

50:42

care about Ukraine. If we did, I'd

50:44

say, look, let's go for it. You

50:46

say on American, where it's like, well,

50:49

for example, like, what is un-American about

50:51

Russia invading a territory which has been

50:53

disputed by their own population? Because we

50:55

say no. So don't do it. Really,

50:57

I mean, we don't have a treaty

51:00

saying that we care about Ukraine. If

51:02

we did, I'd say look, let's go

51:04

for it. at the advantageous to us?

51:06

It depends, right? But it depends on

51:09

our relationship with Russia and how what

51:11

we want out of it. I want

51:13

us to reduce our nuclear weapons pointed

51:15

at each other and actually focus on

51:17

where the real economic growth of the

51:20

world is happening in Asia. So this

51:22

is a very Obama-like idea. They pivot

51:24

to Asia. Is that Europe is a

51:26

declining continent, empirically true? If you look

51:28

at their economic growth versus ours, 50%

51:31

of global GDP will be in Asia

51:33

by 2030. Not that long ago, only

51:35

five years. if you look at the

51:37

concern that American foreign policy elite has

51:40

for Germany, for France, for frankly these

51:42

countries where, you know, they basically have

51:44

chosen their social welfare state fine, but

51:46

they have not backed up their defense

51:48

or ability to protect themselves. We pay

51:51

for French health care, you know, whether

51:53

people like it or not, like we

51:55

protect them so they can have their

51:57

nice socialists. beliefs or Germany or any

52:00

of these economies. You said if they

52:02

had to pay for their own military

52:04

they wouldn't be impossible. Impossible. Look at

52:06

the way they look at their militaries

52:08

and their inability. They say this is

52:11

such a compelling interest. I'm like well

52:13

fucking fight for it then. Go ahead.

52:15

You won't do it. And you think

52:17

the average Frenchman will give up his

52:20

health care to protect Ukraine? No! That's

52:22

another reason why it's all complete bullshit.

52:24

But my point is that we balance

52:26

for what's important for what's important for

52:28

us. And I think that like changes.

52:31

changes your opinion emotionally now there is

52:33

there are certain advantages to having this

52:35

type of leverage on the world of

52:37

course right like obviously if these countries

52:40

cannot defend themselves they have nuclear weapons

52:42

France yeah but if they cannot defend

52:44

their in a in like a very

52:46

in like a very dire situation yeah

52:48

in a in like a very dire

52:51

situation yeah I'm saying in a situation

52:53

like Ukraine it's like to say that

52:55

we have the ability to conduct all

52:57

of the affairs of the world. Like

52:59

really what's happened, that might have been

53:02

true in 1991. in what's called the

53:04

unipolar moment when the United States was

53:06

the sole superpower. That's just not the

53:08

case. Like we have a total return

53:11

to multipolarity where you have the rise

53:13

of China, of India, of, you know,

53:15

even Russia continues to punch above its

53:17

weight, Japan, South Korea, North Korea, all

53:19

of these countries. This idea that I

53:22

think is actually un-American is that we

53:24

should be conducting all of the affairs

53:26

of the world. Instead, what we should

53:28

return to is to... lose some of

53:31

our hubris and actually say, okay, what's

53:33

actually important to us? What are we

53:35

gonna do? This is the line right

53:37

here, and this is traditional American foreign

53:39

policy, going back to the Monroe Doctrine.

53:42

The Monroe Doctrine was, you guys do

53:44

whatever the fuck you want, just don't

53:46

come over here to the Western Hemisphere.

53:48

This is ours, right over here. And

53:51

we acknowledged the great powers of Europe.

53:53

And from that point forward, even in

53:55

the Cold War, we're like, look, it

53:57

sucks that Hungary is communist, but... What

53:59

the fuck are we going to do

54:02

about it? Hold on, hold on, hold

54:04

on, hold on, let's not go crazy.

54:06

We're kind of bending over it. Hold

54:08

on, it's not bending over it, because

54:10

we're not taking anything, but I like

54:13

the idea, this is what I like,

54:15

the idea. I like the idea of

54:17

extending our influence around the world as

54:19

far as we want to go with

54:21

it. Okay. But I don't want that

54:24

influence to be like plays or whatever.

54:26

I don't care about identity politics. certain

54:28

countries to agree with us on certain

54:31

deals that are advantageous to us. Yes.

54:33

I want the best deal that we

54:35

could possibly have for America with every

54:37

single country in the world. I don't

54:40

care if you're a democracy, I don't

54:42

care if you're a dictatorship, I don't

54:44

care if you're pro-trans, I don't care

54:46

if you're answered. None of that personal

54:49

shit I give a fuck about. I

54:51

just care about the money. But I

54:53

do want to exert that influence around

54:55

the world because that influence benefits Americans.

54:58

And that's what I care the most

55:00

about. But I think the problem is

55:02

that right now we piss all this

55:04

money and influence away. For example, the

55:07

United States, the blue... Oh, can I

55:09

say one thing real quick? I actually

55:11

think that it reduces our global influence.

55:13

Yes, you're right. When we're trying to

55:16

push these identity politics issues to these

55:18

other countries that resisted culturally, where back

55:20

in the gravitas with these other countries

55:22

because they looked at the west especially

55:25

America as this like beacon of hope.

55:27

When you're seeing a guy on a

55:29

fucking horseback with a revolver going around

55:31

and shooting you're like oh my god

55:34

America looks kind of cool. Now when

55:36

you see some like neutered cuck telling

55:38

you that like his four-year-old daughter is

55:40

actually a boy you're like I don't

55:43

know if I want to be American.

55:45

First of all you're nailing it. I'll

55:47

give you a perfect one on this.

55:49

gay marriage debate in Japan because Japan

55:52

was having a debate about gay marriage.

55:54

The Japanese Conservative Party is furious. I

55:56

go, oh, the U.S. Ambassador Japan is

55:58

one fucking job. How many Toyotas are

56:01

we making? The irony that Rahm Emanuel

56:03

just on Bill Marsho and he said

56:05

this sentence. Yeah. He goes, we need

56:07

to get into the classrooms and out

56:10

of the bathrooms. He goes, he says

56:12

this specifically, because they were talking about

56:14

like Chicago and all these like dem

56:16

cities that were like kind of struggling.

56:19

And it wasn't posed as like a

56:21

lib suck. It was like, what do

56:23

you think about this? You've run a

56:25

city. And he goes, he says, we

56:28

need to get into the classrooms and

56:30

out of the bathrooms. The irony! Yeah,

56:32

right. He's petitioning for gay marriage. I

56:34

don't care what you guys do with

56:37

your gays over there. Matter of fact,

56:39

if you've got some really talented gays

56:41

over there and you want to kill

56:43

them, let's bring them over here. We

56:46

do great shit with our gays. Gays

56:48

flourish in America, right? It's just my

56:50

point, which it's like Japan. third largest

56:52

economy in the world. They're all good.

56:55

Our concern, which Japan is one thing.

56:57

Toyota. You know, Toyota, Panasonic, any of

56:59

these, oh, they're good. That's it. That's

57:01

all we should be fucking caring about.

57:04

Are they coming over here and saying,

57:06

oh, you guys do this? No, they

57:08

don't give a shit. Well, they don't

57:10

have that influence. But that's the influence,

57:13

and I think that's where it's like,

57:15

we have to have some restriction. As

57:17

long as long as it's not. As

57:19

long as it's not taking away from

57:22

our ability to have advantageous trade deals.

57:24

Yeah, absolutely. So if you wanting to

57:26

be American, makes you want to be

57:28

capitalist, makes you want to be an

57:31

entrepreneur, makes you want to be a

57:33

hustler, makes you want to be a

57:35

hustler, and that in some way gives

57:37

you empathy for our culture, and now

57:40

we have some leverage in your country,

57:42

that's awesome. Awesome. The second our American

57:44

influence starts to make you feel uncomfortable,

57:46

like it has in the Middle East.

57:49

Demoxy doesn't work in the Middle East.

57:51

Let them do what the fuck they

57:53

want. I agree. Once they get addicted

57:55

to money, democracy, it's not going to

57:58

be democracy, but we're going to get

58:00

everything that we want at. My point

58:02

is just let them do whatever the

58:04

fuck they want to do. All right,

58:07

so like I've lived in Qatar or

58:09

whatever, it's like yeah, it's a literal

58:11

monarchy. An actual religious monarchy. It works

58:13

for them. It's like, okay, I wouldn't

58:16

want to live there. I didn't like

58:18

it there, to be honest. But do

58:20

whatever you want. I don't care. That's

58:23

all I really think. That's how I

58:25

feel about Japan, about any of these

58:27

other countries is it's all just about

58:29

us coming together. And this is the

58:32

world order. This was the point of

58:34

the construction. When do you have to

58:36

leave, by the way? Probably. Okay, we

58:38

got some time. We have other topics.

58:41

We love this talk about it. Okay,

58:43

we got a lot that we are

58:45

talking about. Okay, so that's a little.

58:47

We can stop this, yeah. Okay, that's

58:50

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mobile.com. First thing just discussing, Doge really

1:02:28

quickly. I think that there are very

1:02:30

few Americans that would say that they

1:02:33

do not support... a reduction in waste

1:02:35

and inefficiency. Correct. Especially when it comes

1:02:37

to government institutions. So this is a

1:02:39

bipartisan measure. Yeah. The Americans are supportive

1:02:42

of, dose has become incredibly partisan. First,

1:02:44

can you tell me why you think

1:02:46

that is? I think it is about

1:02:48

wars of credibility of institutions and of

1:02:51

process. So something I think is really...

1:02:53

What's that mean? this is really and

1:02:55

speak to me emotionally like why why

1:02:57

does I'm not talking about like politically

1:03:00

why it has I'm talking about why

1:03:02

the average person on Twitter feels compelled

1:03:04

to be so critical of Doge. Like,

1:03:06

what do you think is what being

1:03:09

communicated to them? And why are they

1:03:11

having such a knee jerk reaction to

1:03:13

it? Knowing that they do want to

1:03:15

reduce government efficiency. For them, it's about

1:03:18

Elon's complete and total judgment over this.

1:03:20

They don't trust Elon. I would say

1:03:22

that's it. And is that fair? Yeah,

1:03:24

I do think it's fair. I do

1:03:27

think it's fair for a number of

1:03:29

reasons. What's the steel man against Doge

1:03:31

is that you have a person who

1:03:33

is unelected by the United States is

1:03:36

a sole power over what gets cut,

1:03:38

which violates the Constitution, because the Constitution,

1:03:40

the power of the purse, is within

1:03:42

Congress. Congress gets to decide what programs

1:03:45

get cut or not. He is, according

1:03:47

to them, illegally shutting off and doing

1:03:49

these things, and also, at times, has

1:03:51

conflicts, major conflicts of interest in many

1:03:54

of the decisions that he is making.

1:03:56

What is an example of those, because

1:03:58

that's a good argument. Ryan Graham, he

1:04:00

works with us at breaking points, broke

1:04:03

a story about there was originally going

1:04:05

to be some State Department contract awarded

1:04:07

to Tesla for, I forget the number,

1:04:09

it was like maybe four million or

1:04:12

something, after Trump got elected that contract

1:04:14

went up to 400 million for Tesla's,

1:04:16

armed up cyber trucks, and then they

1:04:18

actually took the word Tesla off the

1:04:21

website and changed it to electric vehicle.

1:04:23

Now, okay, it's not great. So this

1:04:25

is this is good. Before we move

1:04:27

on. We got to appease people emotionally

1:04:30

who see things like this and go,

1:04:32

hey, this doesn't feel constitutional, this feels

1:04:34

manipulative, we feel taken advantage of. That's

1:04:37

a pretty steel steel man. Yeah. Yeah.

1:04:39

So it's a very steel steel man.

1:04:41

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's burn steel.

1:04:43

Yeah. So Bethlehem Steel. Yeah. So it's

1:04:46

like, that's why, like, I feel like

1:04:48

there's a lot of gas lighting going

1:04:50

on. And as much as we all

1:04:53

agree, we all agree we all agree,

1:04:55

we want to all. There is that

1:04:57

feeling, but we have to give some

1:05:00

credence to a situation like that, and

1:05:02

there might be more context, there might

1:05:04

be more contextous, there might be a

1:05:06

more nuanced take to it, I get

1:05:08

it, maybe Elon could describe it, sure.

1:05:10

But on the surface, people reacting emotionally

1:05:12

to it, that does look like corruption.

1:05:14

in another way. Yeah, I like the

1:05:16

Charlotte main thing. I heard I heard

1:05:18

your argument about this. What was that?

1:05:20

Well, I thought it was interesting where

1:05:22

you were like, hey, if you're a

1:05:24

cop and you come to me and

1:05:26

I'm like, you know, don't look in

1:05:28

the basement. You're like, there's some shit

1:05:30

in the fucking basement. There's some shit in

1:05:32

the basement. 100. So, so, but also just

1:05:34

the idea of like government spending. Yeah. going

1:05:36

to certain people like this happens on

1:05:38

like a municipal level where like the

1:05:41

mayor is friends with a person that

1:05:43

has the construction company and that construction

1:05:45

company gets the rebuilding project for the

1:05:47

local bridge right and then he gets

1:05:50

the kickback right now we know that

1:05:52

that's a for a form of corruption

1:05:54

when we see this it's okay for

1:05:56

someone to look at and be like that

1:05:58

kind of feels like the you're trying to

1:06:00

scrub out. Now, he might make the best

1:06:03

vehicle for that job. It might be right

1:06:05

to increase that spending. But I also need

1:06:07

some transparency there, and you need to come

1:06:10

out ahead of it, not wipe Tesla off

1:06:12

the car. You need to come out ahead

1:06:14

of it and gain my trust as an

1:06:16

American and go, hey, this was the original

1:06:19

deal. This amount is going to be

1:06:21

spent over here. We think that this is

1:06:23

better for these reasons. And that's why more

1:06:25

money is spent there. And I totally get

1:06:28

why you think this looks like a favor

1:06:30

handed over. Like stop, the American people are

1:06:32

done being lied to. And when we see

1:06:34

shit like that, we have to. Like stop,

1:06:37

the American people are done being lied to.

1:06:39

And when we see shit like that, we

1:06:41

have such little trust. They're not wrong. They're

1:06:43

not wrong. They're correct. They're correct. we see

1:06:45

yes yes you're right and I think it

1:06:48

is important to talk about it in that

1:06:50

way and that's where it comes back to

1:06:52

process so like you said we've got does

1:06:54

which is kind of unilaterally deciding what and

1:06:57

what is not gets to be spent according

1:06:59

to them and so one of the interesting

1:07:01

things I took away from your thing with

1:07:03

Charlemagne and if I were Charlemagne what I

1:07:05

would have said is Andrew it's fine to

1:07:08

look but they're actually acting they're actually acting

1:07:10

and the acting is the part where I

1:07:12

think a lot of the liberals liberals are

1:07:14

I think correctly upset. I mean, let's be

1:07:17

honest, like if George Soros or whatever was

1:07:19

deciding what was not getting spent. I mean,

1:07:21

we would freak the fuck out. You're okay

1:07:23

with you. Yeah, you be not not you,

1:07:25

but like, let's say conservatives are more okay

1:07:28

with it because your guy is doing the

1:07:30

cuts. Yeah, that's right. But if it

1:07:32

was George Soros, it's a constitutional crisis.

1:07:34

Yeah, they're like, we need January 6

1:07:36

again. You know, like it would be

1:07:38

watched. Yeah. the findings transparently what they

1:07:40

are doing and then handed over to

1:07:42

I would be Congress so Congress to

1:07:45

do this like and this is you

1:07:47

know what I said process yeah that

1:07:49

is actually a huge part of it

1:07:51

because the real problem that they have

1:07:53

is the unilateral decision-making the conflict of

1:07:55

interest possibly being over I mean there

1:07:57

have been a ton of shit like

1:07:59

that the NLRB and other things. I've

1:08:01

sounded like Crystal right now. She's got

1:08:03

a, she's got a list like 15

1:08:05

pages long of all this conflict of

1:08:08

interest. And you know what I have

1:08:10

to say? I go, yeah, you're right.

1:08:12

I was like, you know, empirically, this

1:08:14

is not good. Like when you look

1:08:16

at it in that way. Now if

1:08:18

he had sold all of his Tesla

1:08:20

stock, if he had actually offloaded all

1:08:22

of this and he was still doing

1:08:25

it, I would have a lot more

1:08:27

trust. in the government should be allowed

1:08:29

to be able to even have the

1:08:31

appearance of corruption because of the way

1:08:33

the corruption is now so in bedrock

1:08:35

into our I was very helpful for

1:08:37

Doge and then I feel like honestly

1:08:39

they just kicked the wrong person out

1:08:42

um yeah not even just say I'm

1:08:44

biased toward him like he's his entire

1:08:46

thing was I'm gonna use the constitution

1:08:48

I'm gonna do this in a way

1:08:50

that is palatable but it's gonna be

1:08:52

uncomfortable but it's gonna be uncomfortable but

1:08:54

it's gonna be uncomfortable but it's gonna

1:08:56

be uncomfortable to Elon. I think that's

1:08:59

the part where maybe you guys can

1:09:01

help me understand it because I don't

1:09:03

first of all it drives me fucking

1:09:05

crazy when Elon's in the cabinet room

1:09:07

wearing a fucking t-shirt and hat and

1:09:09

everybody else is in his suit. And

1:09:11

he's standing in a room where if

1:09:13

you guys ever been in the cabinet

1:09:16

room the president's chair is bigger than

1:09:18

everybody else's chair. No person ever is

1:09:20

supposed to be. higher than the president.

1:09:22

There's a rule, there's a famous scene

1:09:24

in the West Wing. It's like when

1:09:26

the president stands, nobody sits. And in

1:09:28

my opinion, when the president sits, nobody

1:09:30

stands. Why is he? It just to

1:09:32

me, it's like, this is where the

1:09:35

libs are correct, dude. Like, there's some

1:09:37

weird shit going on here. I don't

1:09:39

really get it. I don't like it.

1:09:41

I can tell you're off. He becomes

1:09:43

a listener. Yeah, he's a deferential. You're

1:09:45

right. You're right. The second he's like,

1:09:47

you know something I don't know. And

1:09:49

I think that's what makes him so

1:09:52

much better than anybody that the Democrats

1:09:54

had in terms of understanding. the problems

1:09:56

of everyday people. Oh sure. Because unfortunately

1:09:58

I think, and the Republicans too, like

1:10:00

remember he's not like a traditional Republican

1:10:02

guy, so it's like politicians in general,

1:10:04

there is a snobbishness to them, this

1:10:06

feeling of like we know what you

1:10:09

need, let us handle it. And he's

1:10:11

a type of person just from that

1:10:13

interaction we had, who's like the second

1:10:15

you of information he doesn't have, he

1:10:17

gets quiet and he kind of keys

1:10:19

in. Even if it's what is a

1:10:21

life of an everyday American because I

1:10:23

don't live that life right? It doesn't

1:10:26

have to be what's the science behind

1:10:28

blah blah blah You see this all

1:10:30

the time when he's in the barber

1:10:32

shop or whatever. He's a genius because

1:10:34

what he does is he'll take your

1:10:36

problem and he'll turn it around into

1:10:38

the campaign And he's like that's what

1:10:40

the great the greats always do this

1:10:43

is that they take you serious but

1:10:45

not literally. So my favorite moment in

1:10:47

a debate is when some lady in

1:10:49

the 92 campaign asked Bill Clinton about

1:10:51

the national debt and it's like she

1:10:53

didn't really know what she was talking

1:10:55

about and he's like she's talking about

1:10:57

the economy. He's like we've had four

1:11:00

years of trickle-down economics and all this

1:11:02

he didn't ask your same question about

1:11:04

the economy. He's like we've had four

1:11:06

years of trickle-down economics and hasn't worked

1:11:08

you know all this? He didn't I

1:11:10

think to me I, and this will

1:11:12

make me very unpopular, I think it's

1:11:14

becoming a problem. I think that this

1:11:16

liberal, no, because right now there's a

1:11:19

narrative online, which is in my opinion,

1:11:21

cope, is that a lot of these

1:11:23

liberals, like cope as in like they're

1:11:25

coping that they're coping, they're coping, they're

1:11:27

getting an excuse. Yeah, they're living in

1:11:29

denial. There's a cope right now from

1:11:31

the right that all of these liberal

1:11:33

gatherings are astroturf. And you know what?

1:11:36

You're right. But the thing is that

1:11:38

you actually. grass right so like yeah

1:11:40

what it means is that a large,

1:11:42

people are being paid to protest. I

1:11:44

do not think that's true. I think

1:11:46

this has happened in the past, this

1:11:48

has happened in the past, and it

1:11:50

is an integral thing. But that's actually

1:11:53

what a lot of liberals said about

1:11:55

the tea party back in 2010. They're

1:11:57

like, the Koch brothers are paying for

1:11:59

it. I'm like, yeah, bro, but you

1:12:01

can't just pay people to show up

1:12:03

and be angry. And you still got

1:12:05

blown the fuck out in control of

1:12:07

his own president. And we do see

1:12:10

some of that, like in terms of

1:12:12

the priority. The priority right now is

1:12:14

not only with Doge, it's like the

1:12:16

media capture around this Elon as the

1:12:18

force, where I think it should be

1:12:20

on Trump. And Trump has, in my

1:12:22

opinion, a 10 times better political understanding

1:12:24

of America. Like I think if his

1:12:27

narrative of the election was about immigration

1:12:29

and it was about the economy, what

1:12:31

I worry about right now for Trump

1:12:33

is he's absorbing all of this pressure.

1:12:35

Like he's like, we fired people who

1:12:37

were doing Ebola, we brought them back.

1:12:39

Right now they just fired a bunch

1:12:41

of people from NOAA, the National Oceanic

1:12:43

Administration, which those are guys who fly

1:12:46

into the hurricane and be like, it's

1:12:48

a category four or whatever. And it's

1:12:50

like, dude, I've seen politics in the

1:12:52

past, like the most dangerous thing a

1:12:54

politician can do is misinterpret their mandate.

1:12:56

So the most recent example we have

1:12:58

is 2004. George W. Bush, the last

1:13:00

Republican to win the popular vote, he

1:13:03

wins that popular vote for one reason.

1:13:05

Iraq, 9-11. You know what he does?

1:13:07

Let's privatize Social Security. Oh, he's like,

1:13:09

yeah, the American people voted for me?

1:13:11

I want to privatize Social Security. Blown

1:13:13

the fuck out in the 2006 midterm

1:13:15

election. Not only that, Katrina. And what

1:13:17

I'm worried about for Trump is, dude,

1:13:20

even if it's not your fault. If

1:13:22

there's a natural disaster and the Dems

1:13:24

can point to Noah getting, you're about

1:13:26

to get fucking crucified dude. Same with

1:13:28

a, you know, you're not lucky they

1:13:30

are, that crash happened in the first

1:13:32

week of the Trump administration. Can you

1:13:34

imagine that happened a year from now

1:13:37

after some doge cuts or whatever with

1:13:39

the FAA? they would be destroyed. So

1:13:41

they will be responsible. I am very

1:13:43

worried for them that they're they're hitching

1:13:45

their entire political reputation and the most

1:13:47

critical part of your presidency the first

1:13:49

hundred days. All history of a presidency

1:13:51

is almost certainly the first 18 months.

1:13:54

And of those 18 months, always the

1:13:56

first 100 days. We're about 30 some

1:13:58

seven days or whatever when we're talking

1:14:00

right now. It's not that much longer

1:14:02

to go. And in that first 100

1:14:04

days, Elon has been the number one

1:14:06

story. If I were Donald Trump or

1:14:08

whatever, I would want my number one

1:14:11

story to be historic or whatever executive

1:14:13

action on inflation. I'd be having inflation

1:14:15

press conferences every single day and Tom

1:14:17

Homen and Mass Petepitortation. I'm home and

1:14:19

on television every single day. Not to

1:14:21

say he isn't, but he's drawing away.

1:14:23

He's taking control of the narrative. He's

1:14:25

on his taking control of it. I

1:14:27

think it's brilliant. Right now. is the

1:14:30

no so I thought that for a

1:14:32

time like you tell me why I

1:14:34

think Elon as a shield right let

1:14:36

Elon because all these cuts are going

1:14:38

to be different yeah but at the

1:14:40

end of that day he's still absorbing

1:14:42

all of that like energy but right

1:14:44

now everyone's looking at Elon doing that's

1:14:47

very true I actually thought that for

1:14:49

a while I was like maybe Elon

1:14:51

is the whipping boy to like sit

1:14:53

there and absorb but yeah I'm very

1:14:55

worried that Trump and losing this is

1:14:57

why you were asking you were to

1:14:59

ask me about sea Bannon there's Oh,

1:15:01

oh, absolutely. I mean, talk, talk that

1:15:04

shit. I know, absolutely. Talk, 100%. He

1:15:06

was magga before me. Real quick, before

1:15:08

I get off this, if I felt

1:15:10

like these were Trump's ideas to cut

1:15:12

these things and Elon is doing it,

1:15:14

I would be on board with you.

1:15:16

Yeah, these don't seem like Trump ideas.

1:15:18

It seemed like Elon. No, no, no,

1:15:21

I agree. But that's why I don't

1:15:23

agree. Because there's a very important. I

1:15:25

like that. I love that. Yeah, it

1:15:27

is. Indians, we talk tech. Yeah, we're

1:15:29

talking tech. Yeah, that's right. Oh. Yeah,

1:15:31

I can't say it early. Yeah. Yeah.

1:15:33

Yeah, all right. For all of our

1:15:35

young listeners. It was back in the

1:15:38

day you had to click something twice

1:15:40

in order to open it. Now I

1:15:42

think we just don't know. I said

1:15:44

he meant that as liking it. Well,

1:15:46

I meant like expand. You might be

1:15:48

too young. I think you still got

1:15:50

it. Let me like that. Okay, go,

1:15:52

go, open, open that file for us.

1:15:54

This is why I was talking about

1:15:57

Bannon. There are multiple theories which intersect,

1:15:59

like if you think of, what am

1:16:01

I think, a Venn diagram? Like, the

1:16:03

Venn diagram is that Elon is part

1:16:05

of libertarian right, like cut the government,

1:16:07

to the end of cut the government.

1:16:09

Now, Bannon would say, attack the administrative

1:16:11

state. to replace the administrative state, as

1:16:14

in the government itself should be the

1:16:16

power, the determination of the path of

1:16:18

the country, of business, of breaking up

1:16:20

the centers of gravity that are non-governmental

1:16:22

powers, Facebook, Google, etc. Elon is somebody

1:16:24

who's very against something like that, much

1:16:26

more like an anarcho capitalist. And on

1:16:28

top of that is like traditional conservatism,

1:16:31

which agrees a little bit with this,

1:16:33

but is also obsessed with like the

1:16:35

religious right, constitution, etc. So like right

1:16:37

now, my fear is that magga, while

1:16:39

it... definitely agrees with the administrative state

1:16:41

here is that they are losing the

1:16:43

capacity to make their argument that no

1:16:45

actually and this is what Trump and

1:16:48

JD I think believe is that the

1:16:50

government itself should have power over the

1:16:52

direction of the country should have the

1:16:54

ability to tell social media companies don't

1:16:56

censor as opposed to having a billion

1:16:58

or buy it like that's a nice

1:17:00

work around but look I mean Zuck

1:17:02

went on Rogan and said oh we're

1:17:05

not going to fact check anymore I

1:17:07

did a post about Lyme disease it

1:17:09

got fact check the next fucking day

1:17:11

and it's then that only the government

1:17:13

can fix that problem for me or

1:17:15

for all Americans. So that's where I

1:17:17

would say is like there's important theories

1:17:19

of government which are very at odds.

1:17:22

So there is that like Bannon group.

1:17:24

Like and again I don't think Banna

1:17:26

actually cares about the country as much

1:17:28

as he likes like rallying people up

1:17:30

for attention. Really? I think he's a

1:17:32

surprise about that. I think he's an

1:17:34

acute listener. So I think he can

1:17:36

like spot trends early and I think

1:17:38

that he's a good enough communicator that

1:17:41

he can fan the flames of those

1:17:43

trends. And those things can grow to

1:17:45

be bigger things now like the Nazi

1:17:47

salute Yeah, sure, exactly. That's like a

1:17:49

perfect example of like, he probably knew

1:17:51

what he was doing and he didn't

1:17:53

do enough. He definitely knew. Yeah, yeah.

1:17:55

So, let's be honest. So, but there's

1:17:58

a pretty example, like, he's actually trying

1:18:00

to like make it bet, like, if

1:18:02

you really cared about American and patriotism,

1:18:04

you're not throwing up American and patriotism,

1:18:06

you're not throwing up a Nazi slew,

1:18:08

because you would have some respect to

1:18:10

all the Americans that died in the

1:18:12

Nazis. I think there are ways. That's

1:18:15

why I don't take him seriously as

1:18:17

someone who actually cares about America and

1:18:19

more someone who just cares about like

1:18:21

causing ruckus and like getting some attention

1:18:23

in the midst. Now, what I would

1:18:25

say is that it's very easy to

1:18:27

pacify the base that he's riling up.

1:18:29

So any time he roused some people

1:18:32

up, you just need a headline to

1:18:34

be like Disney cuts all D.I. programs.

1:18:36

And then they go. All right, well,

1:18:38

we're waiting. Exactly. Anytime they start riling

1:18:40

up, you just need a headline that

1:18:42

goes, Doge to get back $5,000 every

1:18:44

single minute, and then they calm down.

1:18:46

Yeah. It don't matter how many fucking

1:18:49

nuts. Which is not even going to

1:18:51

happen. Which is not even going to

1:18:53

happen. Which is, of course. But neither

1:18:55

is anything anything that Bannon says. Well,

1:18:57

neither is anything that Bannon says. Well,

1:18:59

what about mass deportation, like, I don't

1:19:01

know. like all every single belief that

1:19:03

he has or anything in his rant

1:19:05

on. And I'm sure that certain things

1:19:08

like deportation is not a specifically Bannon

1:19:10

thing. I think there's a lot of

1:19:12

support for it. Yes. What I'm trying

1:19:14

to say is there are going to

1:19:16

be these people that can. rally the

1:19:18

support of the disenfranchised and he's incredibly

1:19:20

good at it. This is one of

1:19:22

the things that like I don't want

1:19:25

to get away from Doge right here

1:19:27

but there's one of the things I

1:19:29

think that Dems really struggle with is

1:19:31

that like they could very easily win

1:19:33

the next election if they made this

1:19:35

a class issue. Like they just need

1:19:37

to make it a class issue. Like

1:19:39

it's tough for them though. Yeah because

1:19:42

they're in the pockets of the rich

1:19:44

and all the people that are running

1:19:46

the party are these Ivy League Trust

1:19:48

Fund babiesies. making the intellectual decisions for

1:19:50

your party, you can't speak to the

1:19:52

poor. Now, like her, or dislike her,

1:19:54

AOC, it doesn't matter your thought, people,

1:19:56

fuck with her, because they think she's

1:19:59

trying to help. You might disagree with

1:20:01

how she's gonna help, but she comes

1:20:03

across as a working class girl that

1:20:05

wants to help. That's what Dems did.

1:20:07

Bernie ran Biden in her district. She

1:20:09

got a lot of... I interviewed or

1:20:11

on our show, not me, but our

1:20:13

team, we interviewed a trun of AOC

1:20:16

Trump voters and they were like, yeah,

1:20:18

I trust them both to fight for

1:20:20

the working class. I thought it was

1:20:22

actually fascinating. So the Dems should look

1:20:24

at that specifically and be like, oh

1:20:26

wow, she's locked in and people believe

1:20:28

she wants to help them. And they

1:20:30

don't really, they become disillusioned with these

1:20:33

other figures. In my opinion, they're probably

1:20:35

in the pockets of billion class a

1:20:37

little bit too much, so they can't

1:20:39

make it about money, which they could

1:20:41

make it about money so easily and

1:20:43

regain the working class in a heartbeat.

1:20:45

They have to make it. Okay, maybe

1:20:47

not. But but but they'd have a

1:20:49

better chance than making about identity politics.

1:20:52

I agree with you. Which they did

1:20:54

make it about before. And now it

1:20:56

seems like they're even Rahm Emanuel is

1:20:58

moving away. Let's get out of the

1:21:00

bathroom. And look, they say a lot.

1:21:02

There are political realities that are huge

1:21:04

problems for Democrats. Number one, rich white

1:21:06

people are now Dems, right? The base

1:21:09

of the Democratic Party. It's not. It's

1:21:11

not. It's a very, it's more nuanced

1:21:13

in that. It's more nuanced than that.

1:21:15

It's Ivy League educated Nepo babies. There

1:21:17

are tons of rich white people that

1:21:19

are like, you know, I'm over this

1:21:21

shit. It's this specifically Ivy League, like

1:21:23

four-generation money. Sheltered. Sheltered. They've never had

1:21:26

a real job. Of course. Those are

1:21:28

the people out there that are like

1:21:30

telling you what you should feel and

1:21:32

how you should vote. And real working

1:21:34

class people, like people have actually had

1:21:36

a real fucking job in their life,

1:21:38

do not want some trust fund kid

1:21:40

telling them what they should vote for.

1:21:43

Absolutely. It's pretentious. What I was going

1:21:45

to get to is when I say

1:21:47

rich white people, I mean a very

1:21:49

specific class where one of the number

1:21:51

one determiners of how you vote and

1:21:53

party ID is four-year college degree. So

1:21:55

if you attend a four-year college degree

1:21:57

institution, which also correlates very much with

1:22:00

income, then you are much more likely

1:22:02

to be a likely to be a

1:22:04

Democrat. We all know blue-collar trucker trucker

1:22:06

millionaires down in Florida. They're fucking Republican

1:22:08

is shit, right? But these guys did

1:22:10

not go to college necessarily and they

1:22:12

have very different cultural attitudes. I think

1:22:14

I talked about this the last time

1:22:17

I was here. Charles Murray, one of

1:22:19

my favorite books of all time, is

1:22:21

called, of my favorite books of all

1:22:23

time, is called coming apart. And it's,

1:22:25

Charles Murray, one of my favorite books

1:22:27

of all time is called coming apart.

1:22:29

What's happened is that America is culturally

1:22:31

separated, probably more than ever before. Are

1:22:33

we all watching White Lotus? I am,

1:22:36

I love White Lotus. That's actually a

1:22:38

signifier of like, you're out of touch,

1:22:40

right? The most popular, the most popular

1:22:42

show in the country is Wallman. And

1:22:44

C-I-S, all right. Or Landman, which, oh

1:22:46

my God. Okay, I love parts of

1:22:48

Landman, but dude, what a fucking disaster.

1:22:50

We could talk about that way. Maybe

1:22:53

that's just me. I genuinely... Why are

1:22:55

you like rational in the show or

1:22:57

what's going on? It's like, they're like,

1:22:59

it's like a... Billy Bob, you need

1:23:01

your dick soft. You need your dick

1:23:03

suck. Yeah, it's like... Why are we

1:23:05

recycling when I can be stuck on

1:23:07

your dick? I'm glad you feel like...

1:23:10

This sounds like a great show. Yeah,

1:23:12

right. Most popular show in the country,

1:23:14

so what the fuck do I know?

1:23:16

But like my point is exactly about

1:23:18

the cultural separation is why it's hard

1:23:20

for Democrats. And I think even for

1:23:22

AOC, AOC and then may speak in

1:23:24

the language of the identity politics and

1:23:27

also hold class politics. And what I

1:23:29

really have come to believe is that

1:23:31

we live in a cultural moment. So

1:23:33

there is a, so previously, 2020, where

1:23:35

I'm fascinated by that election, the highest

1:23:37

turnout in modern history, equivalent turnout. not

1:23:39

seen since like decades. And if we

1:23:41

read. about other high turnout elections in

1:23:44

American history, it was in something called

1:23:46

the age of acrimony. That's a book

1:23:48

I really recommend. Which is, what does

1:23:50

that word mean? Acrimonious would mean like

1:23:52

tension, of fighting, it's a very, it's

1:23:54

a. Lacrimizing means crying in Latin, so

1:23:56

it comes from like. Acrimonious place would

1:23:58

be. It's all of us yelling at

1:24:00

each other. Right. He's like, what's it

1:24:03

tell you? That's telling you. You hit

1:24:05

you with the lads. Yeah, like, yeah.

1:24:07

Go, go, go. All right. Age of

1:24:09

Acrimony is the 1890s and Unfortunately, that

1:24:11

was also when? The Gilded Age. Now,

1:24:13

why was America all up in arms

1:24:15

at that time? Bro, it wasn't just,

1:24:17

it wasn't really about class. That's when

1:24:20

all the rich people really took advantage.

1:24:22

It was basically like, should black people

1:24:24

have civil rights or not? That was

1:24:26

like the number one animating issue of

1:24:28

the South. There's an entire thing called

1:24:30

southern populism, which is basically just like

1:24:32

whipping up poor white people against blacks

1:24:34

so that you can prop up a

1:24:37

new plantation class of rich people from

1:24:39

the post civil war. even in the

1:24:41

Northeast, like where we are here, that's

1:24:43

how the robber barons and all of

1:24:45

them came to power. And they funded

1:24:47

a lot of this culture warfare and

1:24:49

benefited from it. And it wasn't until

1:24:51

Teddy Roosevelt and the progressive era started.

1:24:54

No, the real problem here is combination.

1:24:56

Is all of these standard oil trusts

1:24:58

taking advantage of us? And that was

1:25:00

a complete reverse of the way things

1:25:02

were all the way better. back when

1:25:04

no they had they had the population

1:25:06

fighting over black civil rights yeah yeah

1:25:08

so and the way they did it

1:25:11

is said hey your life was way

1:25:13

better when these black people didn't have

1:25:15

all this right yeah exactly having all

1:25:17

this rights and this upward mobility is

1:25:19

taken away from you bingo and then

1:25:21

Roosevelt on some Bernie Sanders came in,

1:25:23

it came in, it was like, oh,

1:25:25

it's not about black and white, it's

1:25:28

about these billionaires mothers that take it

1:25:30

Wilson. These guys came in. That's what

1:25:32

I'm saying the day we should do.

1:25:34

I agree, but it's very difficult because

1:25:36

the problem is that they don't. Well,

1:25:38

not only pockets, it's not only they're

1:25:40

controlled, but they speak in the language

1:25:42

of exactly the people. Gay people. They

1:25:44

speak gay. And it is true. They

1:25:47

do speak that. They're out of touch.

1:25:49

Everyone should go watch AOCs. AOCs. AOCs.

1:25:51

AOCs. AOCs. AOCs. AOCs. AOCs. AOCs. AOCs.

1:25:53

AOCs. AOCs. AOCs. for you know, land

1:25:55

acknowledgement, bypog, I know, bypok. I'm not,

1:25:57

and I think I'm a model, I'm

1:25:59

calling too far, barpok, from now on.

1:26:01

You see him in the ballet recital,

1:26:04

that is bypok. What is bypok? Oh,

1:26:06

black indigenous people of color. Have you

1:26:08

not? of this man, come on! Well,

1:26:10

because this is a whole school, this

1:26:12

is a whole school. Yeah, I had

1:26:14

never heard of that. Black is huge.

1:26:16

People of color, that's right. It keeps

1:26:18

people like Akash and I out. Fair

1:26:21

enough. And Mexicans. Oh, yeah, I thought

1:26:23

we were people of color. No, it's

1:26:25

black indigenous people of color. Only, we're

1:26:27

not, yeah, it's only, no, it's only,

1:26:29

no. Black and indigenous people of color

1:26:31

as in like it's a specific it's

1:26:33

a way to keep people like us

1:26:35

out like the Asians in the Mexicans.

1:26:38

It's a divisional. It's like a division.

1:26:40

I like a division. This is interesting

1:26:42

what this is. This is a mirror

1:26:44

image of what you just described. with

1:26:46

the Robert Barons. Yeah, exactly. Yes, yes,

1:26:48

yes, it's just flipped. Yes, yes, whole

1:26:50

point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Acrimonious, like,

1:26:52

but no luck is acrimonious of black.

1:26:55

Yeah, okay, I got that shit now.

1:26:57

So that's genius. I guess you're, so

1:26:59

you're just flipping it and it does

1:27:01

feel good. It does satisfy you in

1:27:03

that moment. You're like, I don't have

1:27:05

something. They're the reason why I don't

1:27:07

have something. They're the reason why I

1:27:09

don't have something. They're the reason why

1:27:11

I don't have something. They're the reason

1:27:14

why I don't have something. They're the

1:27:16

reason why I don't have, they're the

1:27:18

reason why I don't have something. They're

1:27:20

the reason why I don't have something.

1:27:22

They're the reason why I don't have

1:27:24

something. They're the reason why I don't

1:27:26

have something. They're the reason why I

1:27:28

don't have something. They're the reason why

1:27:31

I don't have. They to execute the

1:27:33

task at hand, which is really, hey,

1:27:35

there's a lot of people who got

1:27:37

a lot of money. They could be

1:27:39

fucking Indian, they could be white. could

1:27:41

be Jewish they could be whatever the

1:27:43

fuck they are and in order for

1:27:45

you to get some money they're gonna

1:27:48

have to have a little less of

1:27:50

that money and influence potentially yeah even

1:27:52

if that's wrong yeah if they run

1:27:54

on that It is so much more

1:27:56

digestible. And they need credibility. Now, where

1:27:58

do you get the credit from? That's

1:28:00

the problem is that I think that

1:28:02

AOC and a lot of these other

1:28:05

people are so, you know, these statements

1:28:07

in the past. This is what fucked

1:28:09

common. Oh, they'll burn. I've spent so

1:28:11

far from, I've, I've spent, I've, I've,

1:28:13

I've spent, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:28:15

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:28:17

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:28:19

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:28:22

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:28:24

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, I've,

1:28:26

I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, And you

1:28:28

know what that will affect our go

1:28:30

go go this is where you're kind

1:28:32

of fucked in a primary system where

1:28:34

you have to appease the most extreme

1:28:36

yes They'll come out. Yes, in the

1:28:39

state of Democratic primary yeah, and then

1:28:41

as soon as you run generally people

1:28:43

are gonna be like look what this

1:28:45

bit said. That's why I think the

1:28:47

next Democrat has to come from fucking.

1:28:49

Oh, yeah, yeah, I want to know

1:28:51

what you guys think Stephen A real

1:28:53

quick miles had a very interesting take

1:28:55

take from what was a Colin Cowherd?

1:28:58

Yeah. Basically he said, picture LeBron. You

1:29:00

think about LeBron? No, like great passing,

1:29:02

great disc, great that. Picture MJ, ultimate

1:29:04

winner, picture this guy. Now he goes,

1:29:06

not picture Jason Tatum, nothing. And then

1:29:08

you had a point from Gilbert Arena,

1:29:10

you were talking about earlier, we said,

1:29:12

the league, they just won't get behind.

1:29:15

And I might be misquoting, he got

1:29:17

the ring. Yeah, but I think he's

1:29:19

just, he's not likable. There's nothing like,

1:29:21

you don't like this guy. He is,

1:29:23

I think I said this to you.

1:29:25

Oh yeah, this is a post game

1:29:27

when you sell it when he won

1:29:29

the championship, finally. Yeah. He didn't play

1:29:32

great. And then his speech is just

1:29:34

like copying everybody else's. Yeah. And I

1:29:36

think everybody was like, oh yeah, you're

1:29:38

just light skin. You're just light skin.

1:29:40

Like. So I agree with everything you're

1:29:42

saying you're saying. was suspended for shooting

1:29:44

people. Because he's exciting. So they don't

1:29:46

really care about if you break the

1:29:49

law anymore. I guess not. I think

1:29:51

we don't care. And Edward's got a

1:29:53

bunch of baby mamas he's trying to

1:29:55

abort. Like the guys who are taking

1:29:57

over the league, they don't exactly fit

1:29:59

the mold of what the league would

1:30:01

get behind. Yes. Say whatever you want

1:30:03

about Michael Jordan and like gambling. Nobody

1:30:06

knew any of that shit. We kept

1:30:08

it out in the news. He was...

1:30:10

Never in trouble about anything. Is it

1:30:12

LeBron? LeBron, never- Model Citizen, all things

1:30:14

considered. Steph Curry! Model Citizens, real. Jason

1:30:16

Tatum is a Model Citizen. Yeah. Why

1:30:18

not give them the league? Because I

1:30:20

think the league reflects what we want

1:30:22

to support. So they're doing, they're doing

1:30:25

the wrestling thing now. David Stern would

1:30:27

be like, I'm going with who's the

1:30:29

most professional and who's gonna be, you

1:30:31

know, match the character of the league,

1:30:33

whereas Adam Silver is like, what do

1:30:35

the people fuck? Yeah, Luca needs to

1:30:37

go to the Lakers? All right, we'll

1:30:39

push that trade might not get push

1:30:42

through. back in the day. We're just

1:30:44

on one of those. It's been some

1:30:46

mansion. 100%? What is Tatum exceptional at?

1:30:48

Stupid fucking idiot dude. What is Tatum

1:30:50

exceptional at? He's very well-rounded. He's a

1:30:52

great score, good defender, like while around

1:30:54

it. He's good enough. He's an unstoppable

1:30:56

score. But that's what I'm saying. Yeah.

1:30:59

Oh, if you say he's an unstoppable

1:31:01

score, then maybe. But I don't think

1:31:03

like, you go, go. I just don't

1:31:05

feel like he has something in his

1:31:07

game that's something in his game that's

1:31:09

just so out of something in his

1:31:11

game that's just so out of this

1:31:13

game that's just so out of out

1:31:16

of this game that's just so out

1:31:18

of this game that's just so out

1:31:20

of this game that's just so out

1:31:22

of this game that's just so out

1:31:24

of this game that's just so out

1:31:26

of this game that's just so out

1:31:28

of this game that's just so out

1:31:30

of this game that's just so out

1:31:33

of this game. I think what Alex

1:31:35

saying rings true, which is like we

1:31:37

relate to disruptive play. So Steve Curry

1:31:39

was disruptive. Alan Iverson was disruptive. LeBron.

1:31:41

And Edwards is disruptive. LeBron like weirdly,

1:31:43

I think LeBron was so disruptive to

1:31:45

be honest because of his passing ability

1:31:47

to. If he was just like a

1:31:50

guy who's dunking on you. Same with

1:31:52

Luca. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. But I also

1:31:54

think if I think we're forgetting also

1:31:56

Lucas why I'll be honest with you

1:31:58

like if Lucas not white His

1:32:01

style of play

1:32:03

I don't know

1:32:06

how marketable

1:32:08

he is.

1:32:10

I think

1:32:12

he's less

1:32:15

marketable But

1:32:17

if he

1:32:19

was black

1:32:21

he would be in

1:32:24

better shape. Yeah Tim

1:32:26

Duncan if he's black.

1:32:28

Yeah. Isn't that interesting?

1:32:31

Yeah. And Tim, yeah, go. Yeah,

1:32:33

no, both talk shit actually. Tim

1:32:35

Duncan would talk. I guess his

1:32:38

shit talk was funny, but he'd

1:32:40

be like, nice try. Kevin, Garner,

1:32:42

talk about Tim Duncan would talk.

1:32:44

He'd be like, nice try. Kevin,

1:32:47

Garner, talk about Tim Duncan, would

1:32:49

talk shit. He'd be like, like,

1:32:51

look like, but in terms of

1:32:53

being like, like, it's not very

1:32:55

like. Like flash and excitement. Yeah,

1:32:58

he's really using speed and The

1:33:00

ability to slow down and he's

1:33:02

using his body weight to score

1:33:04

and I'm trying to find a

1:33:06

black player is like Harden. Huh?

1:33:08

Harden? Harden? Harden? As? athleticism and

1:33:10

just I think it's Harden got

1:33:12

a little older and you know,

1:33:15

I'm saying the heyday of Harden.

1:33:17