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go. Yeah. I think Michelle's the only

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person who bought a leaky peaky t-shirt

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just and Ron has the numbers to

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back it up. I mean I have

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one but I got it. to make

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sure it printed okay. I like the

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little Fedora guy. It was sneaky. It

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was like a spy t-shirt. I thought

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more people would like it. But we're

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learning, you know, the standard frequency logo

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is kind of more simple by comparison.

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Maybe that's part of it. Too busy.

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Yeah. Would anybody want one of the

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like the 3D? you know like selfy

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kind of one like oh boy and

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will that age well that's the big

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question I will tell you the t-shirt

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idea that I had that we didn't

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do that we completely missed out the

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miss the boat on because of the

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whole RCS thing in Apple like we

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had a time machine two years ago

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I wanted to do a green bubble

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pride t-shirt we would have sold shirts

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do you miss the boat on that

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I mean green bubble is still a

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thing it's still a thing yeah would

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people would people buy green bubble pride

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shirts let me know all right we've

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talked about it long enough to ensure

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that their thoughts I'm guaranteeing it Absolutely.

7:16

All right. Well, let's get into the

7:18

news. All right. Well, how about we

7:20

talk about something a little less fun,

7:22

but unfortunately, very omnipresent. We're going to

7:24

talk about the T-word, y'all. I'm going

7:27

to talk about tariffs. And unfortunately, um,

7:29

I feel like Jason, I've been talking

7:31

about tariffs. I've been talking about tariffs.

7:33

It's hard not to, because it is

7:36

going to impact us as smartphone enthusiasts

7:38

and even as Android enthusiasts in particular.

7:40

So let's talk about general, like let's

7:42

talk about specific case and then we'll

7:44

talk about general. So. Regardless of whether

7:47

you are pro or whatever the anti-tariff,

7:49

it is going to be undeniable that

7:51

it will impact smartphone sales, smartphone pricing,

7:53

and specifically for smartphone manufacturers. So SamMobile.com

7:55

is examining as a Samsung fan site,

7:58

Samsung in particular. Now here's just a

8:00

small example. So Samsung phones, no Samsung

8:02

phones. No Samsung phones are manufactured in

8:04

the US. Most Samsung phones, sorry, that's

8:07

not correct, let me rephrase, most Samsung

8:09

phones sold in the US are made

8:11

in Vietnam. And the amount made in

8:13

Vietnam is up to 10 million units

8:15

per month, which is 45% of Samsung's

8:18

global production capacity. Now, given the fact

8:20

that the US has now placed 46%

8:22

tariffs, this kind of tariffs on products

8:24

manufactured in Vietnam, There's basically just no

8:27

way that this is not going to

8:29

impact consumer pricing or if any at

8:31

the best it'll at the best it

8:33

will prices will stay stable. and Samsung

8:35

will have to take a smaller profit

8:38

margin on phones, or in the worst

8:40

case for us, prices will have to

8:42

rise, which is difficult because Samsung has

8:44

generally managed to keep their prices stable

8:47

for the S-series, for example, for the

8:49

past few years. But in this case,

8:51

again, given that, for example, Vietnam, high-tariffed

8:53

country is just a huge part of

8:55

their manufacturing. It's just going to happen.

8:58

Samsung is going to have to make

9:00

a choice between either smaller profit margins,

9:02

which may not be a big deal

9:04

for some of the bigger ticket phones,

9:07

like the Samsung S25 Ultra, or the

9:09

Zfold 7, which are over a thousand-dollar

9:11

phones, but this will definitely be cutting

9:13

into the mid-range. And that's where a

9:15

lot of us live, and that's where

9:18

a lot of us, Android faithful, like

9:20

to buy phones in the mid-range. And

9:22

that's where this is going to start

9:24

hurting. This is going to start hurting.

9:27

So there is, of course, the longer

9:29

term option for Samsung to widen and

9:31

utilize its manufacturing base in other countries

9:33

like India, where the tariff is 26%,

9:35

but these things won't happen overnight. So

9:38

that is just wonderful. And, you know,

9:40

if you want to just get deeper,

9:42

it's going to be all over the

9:44

board. Our very reliable source of numbers

9:47

counterpoint has a, not a hot take,

9:49

but a first take on the impact

9:51

of US tariffs. And I mean, they

9:53

just basically state higher prices lead to

9:55

lower demand. And basically as a whole,

9:58

the US is not a manufacturer of

10:00

smartphones. The smartphone supply chain is dominated

10:02

by Asia, China, South Korea, Taiwan, India,

10:04

and Vietnam, all of which are, you

10:07

know, have tariffs in the multiple tens

10:09

of percent levied on them. And the

10:11

smart smartphones supply chain rely on. quote,

10:13

complex, deeply integrated networks all outside of

10:15

the US. So yes, well, the long-term

10:18

hope of terrors would be that manufacturing

10:20

is moved stateside. According to counterpoint, this

10:22

isn't, quote, happening overnight or ever, in

10:24

parentheses, without massive government subsidies and around-the-clock

10:27

availability of skilled labor. And even then,

10:29

prices will soar because of a lack

10:31

of cost arbitrage. So. Another part of

10:33

the story is semiconductors. Well, semiconductors are

10:35

luckily exempt for tariffs from now, but

10:38

they are still downstream of the global

10:40

supply chain. So while semiconductor conductors themselves

10:42

are exempt from tariffs, again, global supply

10:44

chain problems, and this is something that

10:47

we experienced during the pandemic when I

10:49

think the droughts in Taiwan and things

10:51

like that all of that had like

10:53

a cascading impact on the supply chain

10:55

and caused like all the kind of

10:58

disruptions that we saw there. So all

11:00

of this is... And since the pandemic,

11:02

since that time, supply change diversification has

11:04

been happening and is coming and, you

11:06

know, where like would be driven by

11:09

the terrorists, but again, it is not

11:11

going to be quick. It is not

11:13

going to be overnight. And, you know,

11:15

even something like semiconductors, they are directly

11:18

upstream from smartphones and it will feel

11:20

the impacts. And I guess just is

11:22

an interesting fact. This will change things

11:24

around like a lot of times these

11:26

days we think of semi-conductors. We think

11:29

of course Taiwan. For those in India,

11:31

though, it actually might be an interesting

11:33

opportunity to see what India does in

11:35

the next several years in hers manufacturing

11:38

because of the fact that they currently

11:40

have a 26% tariff compared to some

11:42

of the other countries that I mentioned

11:44

that dominate the supply chain in Asia,

11:46

it might be a good opportunity for

11:49

India to kind of position itself to

11:51

be a future dominant hub in this

11:53

space. So Sorry we had to talk

11:55

about it, but it is going to

11:58

impact all of us. It is going

12:00

to impact the tech industry. It is

12:02

going to impact us as consumers of

12:04

technology. I don't know like is it

12:06

possible that even like the 25% tariff

12:09

on passenger vehicle imports influences our conversations

12:11

about Android auto or you know where

12:13

like smart smart I mean to your

12:15

points impact everything I mean it's already

12:18

impacting my sanity and just I'm sick

12:20

of the word. But like I'm dealing

12:22

with this in my, you know, at

12:24

Scorebit, you know, because we're, you know,

12:26

we're, you know, we're, you know, we're

12:29

in the process of manufacturing the next,

12:31

you know, kind of the next version

12:33

of our hardware, you know, and, you

12:35

know, and, you know, we source materials,

12:38

we'd previously to manufacturing in China, like

12:40

we're figuring out and we knew that

12:42

there was going to be some tariff

12:44

pull. I guess it's happening, you know

12:46

it's not happening and all this sort

12:49

of stuff. It makes it hard for

12:51

you to do business. But that, so

12:53

it's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna hit

12:55

everything no matter what the administration, current

12:58

administration says or not, it's gonna impact

13:00

everything. But I did, and Jason, I

13:02

don't know if you saw my note,

13:04

but I did add some links into

13:06

our doc about the story. There are

13:09

US-made smartphones out there though, right? And

13:11

have we heard of them? Well, we

13:13

haven't heard of them, but there are

13:15

two things I just want to highlight,

13:18

which we talked about on the show

13:20

in the past, one of them. If

13:22

you go to the website, Purism, P-U-R-I-S-M,

13:24

there's a company called Purism, that makes

13:26

a whole bunch of different phones. that

13:29

are American-made. If you scroll down on

13:31

their website, you see they say made

13:33

in the USA and big letters and

13:35

things like that. They're very big on

13:38

privacy. They have the Liberty phone and

13:40

all this sort of stuff. These are

13:42

not running Android, just so you know,

13:44

they're running pure OS, which is a

13:46

Linux-based from the ground up OS that

13:49

they've developed themselves. Your mileage may vary.

13:51

I don't know what to tell you

13:53

if these good good good phones are

13:55

not But they are out there. They're

13:58

made in the US. These are options

14:00

you could choose from but And why

14:02

this sprang to mind is another company

14:04

that we haven't talked about, which I've

14:06

been looking for a reason to talk

14:09

about in the show, called Orbeck, which

14:11

is actually based here on Long Island.

14:13

They're actually right in my backyard. And

14:15

they make phones, they make e-bikes, they

14:18

make laptops and things like that. But

14:20

what's interesting is that, and this happened

14:22

last year, there was a news article

14:24

that Verizon actually invested $30 million in

14:26

this company to move their manufacturing from.

14:29

China to Long Island, New York. So

14:31

this is a year ago. Now, I

14:33

don't know whether they've moved that manufacturing,

14:35

if it's happening or not, or whatever,

14:37

but they make very, very low-price affordable

14:40

phones that run on, you know, like,

14:42

I think if you go to a

14:44

Verizon store, and you're like, what is

14:46

that phone? More likely, I think it's

14:49

an orbit. But they're there and they're

14:51

trying to make manufacturing in the US

14:53

work. You know, who knows? Maybe the

14:55

terrorists pushed this in that direction. And

14:57

we start, you know, we become less

15:00

reliant on the Samsung's and the one-pluses

15:02

of the world, you know, and who

15:04

knows what Google does with their manufacturing?

15:06

Does Google take a page? You know,

15:09

you know, Moto was making the Moto

15:11

X's in Texas, if you remember. I

15:13

don't know if they still are or

15:15

not. But, you know, are there any

15:17

phones that are built in the US?

15:20

Apparently there are some. So, yeah. What

15:22

about? They're not, they're not foldables. I

15:24

couldn't find any foldables. Yeah. Yeah, I

15:26

just could just, I guess, when, when,

15:29

when, when, when kind of points of

15:31

the US doesn't manufacture smartphones, I guess,

15:33

not on the scale that we think

15:35

of. Yes. And also, and also, and

15:37

also, and also, and also I should

15:40

point that they're, that manufacturing smartphone doesn't

15:42

mean the same as, it doesn't mean

15:44

you're manufacturing, you're manufacturing, you're manufacturing, to

15:46

your point from Korea or from China

15:49

or from wherever those are still you

15:51

know, getting hit with the tariffs on

15:53

the import and all that sort of

15:55

stuff, if the components are coming from

15:57

another country, they still are impacted by

16:00

that. So I don't think any, I

16:02

don't think anyone is starting from a

16:04

blank piece of paper and building, and

16:06

then ending up with a phone at

16:09

the end of the power plant, building

16:11

it at the end of the manufacturing

16:13

plant, building it with everything made in

16:15

the US anymore. So, yeah. Yeah, I

16:17

mean, and I'm seeing some folks in

16:20

Chad in Chad who are saying, the

16:22

implied message that I read out of

16:24

that is, don't worry, it's short term,

16:26

and this will all get negotiated out,

16:29

but I think you're right, Ron, that

16:31

no matter what, like even if that's

16:33

true, and I believe that that is

16:35

true to an extent for sure, that

16:37

might be the hammer to the nail,

16:40

but. I don't think that that means

16:42

that it doesn't impact the prices that

16:44

we see in some way shape or

16:46

form. There's too many different directions being

16:49

impacted here and being affected by this,

16:51

even with negotiations and whatever. I think

16:53

at the end of the day, you

16:55

know, and it's all a guessing right

16:57

now, but I think at the end

17:00

of the day, it just means these

17:02

devices are probably going to cost more

17:04

in some way, shape or form. Thankfully,

17:06

it's happening at a time when companies

17:09

like Google, like Samsung, have already gotten

17:11

serious about their update promises and promise

17:13

seven years, so that if it's, you

17:15

know, if you get priced out, at

17:17

least your device lasts longer now, or

17:20

at least your device is backed up

17:22

by the company to last longer. And

17:24

I guess that's an upside. Yeah. I

17:26

hope we don't, I hope the mid-range

17:29

section doesn't. narrow out just because I

17:31

think we've covered before that companies love

17:33

the premium men because they make a

17:35

lot of money and they like to

17:37

convince us to pay more money for

17:40

the things that we already have so

17:42

I just hope in the short term

17:44

it doesn't hollow out the mid range

17:46

because we all like that and then

17:48

like you know maybe the company They're

17:51

like, hey, go ahead, rely on that

17:53

secondary market, and then we'll just keep

17:55

making premium crazy quadruple, like, what would

17:57

a hundred fold phone be? Hector, hector

18:00

fold, I don't know. Centifold, centifold. Centifold,

18:02

there you go, centifold. Centifold, centifold. It

18:04

starts out the size of like a

18:06

crumb. And you just keep unfolding it

18:08

and tell. What I want is a

18:11

smartphone in the smartphone. What I want

18:13

is a smartphone in the shape of

18:15

those smartphone in the shape of those

18:17

old fortune tellers that we used to

18:20

do in school or when you fold

18:22

the paper and you would do that.

18:24

You know, I'm very. active obviously in

18:26

the pinball world and we're already seeing

18:28

there was one pinball manufacturer that's based

18:31

they're called Dutch pinball because they're based

18:33

out of Europe and they've already come

18:35

out and said we're not shipping to

18:37

the US anymore yeah you know so

18:40

you know framework framework the laptop company

18:42

as discontinued or stopped shipping their their

18:44

kind of entry level Laps for that

18:46

reason. They're just like it. We'd lose

18:48

money if we sold them based on

18:51

under no obligation to provide their products

18:53

to us if it doesn't make business

18:55

at so yeah Yeah, and the switch

18:57

to cancel pre-orders for the US for

19:00

now even after everyone was waiting for

19:02

that switch to update. So Yeah, don't

19:04

be interesting. Already is. And yes, I'm

19:06

sick of the T-word too. Yeah, I

19:08

just want another word. It just, it's

19:11

just, you mean a different, a different

19:13

word. Anyway, all right, so which, should

19:15

we make it up, overly, off, like,

19:17

overly positive? Crazy. Take it a little,

19:20

you know, like, like, like, like, like,

19:22

like, yes. Treats. Treats, that's what it

19:24

is. That's the other T-word, it's the

19:26

other T-word, it's treats, it's treats, it's

19:28

treats, it's treats, it's treats, treats, treats,

19:31

treats, treats, treats, All right, well, switch

19:33

gears a little bit. As I mentioned

19:35

at the top of show, Michelle couldn't

19:37

be with us again this week. He's

19:40

off having fun, but Jason and I

19:42

did catch up with them yesterday to

19:44

find out what the latest under the

19:46

hood of Android 16 that we can

19:48

expect is coming. So let's hear from

19:51

Michelle. All right, we're back with Michelle.

19:53

Michelle, you can't join us again this

19:55

week. We missed you last week, but

19:57

it's nice that we're able to get

20:00

together in these little pre-recordings. We're talking

20:02

here on Monday, April 7th, the day

20:04

before we record this week's Andrew Faithfall.

20:06

How you doing, Michelle? I'm doing good.

20:08

Welcome back to the show, like you're

20:11

a guest again. Like the old AAA

20:13

days. Yes. So we're going under the

20:15

hood of Android 16 with the latest.

20:17

So what do you got for us,

20:20

Michelle? So I have broadly four changes

20:22

to talk about. I'll start with the

20:24

first one that is kind of most

20:26

relevant to users if it's implemented widely

20:28

by app developers. So it's the way

20:31

that currently app settings work on Android.

20:33

Right now, if you want to change

20:35

an app setting like Trello, Discord, Slack,

20:37

Telegram, whatever app, you have to actually

20:40

open the app, find wherever it hit

20:42

its settings menu, and then go from

20:44

there. But looks like Google is working

20:46

on a new API and Android 16

20:48

that would allow applications to... provide their

20:51

app settings to the big Android settings

20:53

app. So you'd be able to open

20:55

the dedicated settings app and then find

20:57

the app settings from there and then

20:59

change them. So your headline here says

21:02

is not as bad as you think

21:04

because my first instinct when you said

21:06

that was trying to change settings on

21:08

my wife's iPhone and I cringe when

21:11

you said they're trying to be similar

21:13

how they do it on iOS because

21:15

that is a look for it. That

21:17

is a miserable that is a miserable

21:19

experience. So the way iOS does as

21:22

you mention, I always does something similar.

21:24

Like you can change some app settings

21:26

from the iOS settings app without opening

21:28

the app itself. But from what we

21:31

can tell this is actually very far,

21:33

like there's very few apps on iOS

21:35

that actually support this. So like for

21:37

most apps on iOS, you still have

21:39

to open the app itself to change

21:42

its setting. There are some apps that

21:44

do support this, which is kind of

21:46

why I say it's not as bad

21:48

as you think, because there's a question

21:51

whether or not this is even something

21:53

that Google wants to expose, third party

21:55

applications, even though they made the API

21:57

public. sometimes make these APIs just to

21:59

like play around with it and kind

22:02

of get a sense and then eventually

22:04

like you know actually let's not it

22:06

could have been a mistake it could

22:08

have been intended only for system apps

22:11

but they accidentally made it public that

22:13

sometimes those happen but we don't know

22:15

for sure because Google hasn't commented on

22:17

it yeah the other reason why I

22:19

think it's not that bad is because

22:22

again this is something that apps have

22:24

to opt in to support probably the

22:26

vast majority apps will continue to have

22:28

their own settings will continue to have

22:31

their own settings within their own the

22:33

open to change because they want you

22:35

to access their app and like they

22:37

want control over their own settings right

22:39

right so yeah I don't think it's

22:42

going to be that bad assuming any

22:44

of developers even implement it and having

22:46

I mean I don't know like I've

22:48

seen on iOS how this is done

22:51

and you you include some you know

22:53

screenshots in here to kind of illustrate

22:55

how in the regular settings app you

22:57

can get to Gmail and Asana and

22:59

slack on iOS But that doesn't mean

23:02

that if you're in the Gmail app

23:04

itself, that settings isn't surface there also,

23:06

right? Because when I think about this,

23:08

I think about like, oh, well, great,

23:11

here's, here's like fragmentation for settings, you

23:13

know what I mean? It's like, do

23:15

I go to the settings app? Or

23:17

do I go to the app itself?

23:19

And hopefully it's both, if there's just

23:22

showing up. But it's just it's interesting

23:24

also because I think about it oftentimes

23:26

because like I've inadvertently turned off notifications

23:28

on apps that I've wanted notifications on

23:31

and I've had to I've gone into

23:33

the app looking to adjust the notification

23:35

settings or I've gone into the settings

23:37

to the notifications permissions right and you

23:39

know it is already starting to get

23:42

fragmented in the split between what is.

23:44

a OS level permissions versus what is

23:46

an app level settings right? Right, right.

23:48

I mean ideally the app itself should

23:51

recognize you know that they should have

23:53

a toggle even though even though the

23:55

toggle is controlled by the system they

23:57

should still have like a toggle or

23:59

a shortcut that leads you to the

24:02

app notification. Some way to get to

24:04

it right yeah like you should from

24:06

a user experience you should be able

24:08

to like we know you're looking for

24:10

this this this is where you can

24:13

find it. This is where you can

24:15

find it. Yeah. All right. So what

24:17

else is interesting? The next change is

24:19

not strictly and or 16 related, but

24:22

it's related in the way that Google

24:24

makes requirements for new OS versions. So

24:26

there's a new feature in the Vulcan

24:28

Graphics API called host Image Copy. And

24:30

the Vulcan Graphics API, by the way,

24:33

something we talked about a couple of

24:35

weeks ago where Google decided to make

24:37

it the official graphics API for Android.

24:39

Yep. And basically that means that they're

24:42

going to make every single... interface interaction

24:44

with a GPU go through the Vulcan

24:46

API. So basically this new feature in

24:48

Vulcan 1.4 is called host image copy

24:50

and what it does is instead of

24:53

having the device's GPU create like a

24:55

buffer to hold images before like rendering

24:57

them, it's going to instead have the

24:59

CPU copy images and then directly write

25:02

it to the screen. So this helps

25:04

out what the GPU copy images. by

25:06

reducing how much memory it has to

25:08

do, reducing how much work it has

25:10

to do. And in practice, it even

25:13

has how much memory has to be

25:15

used for the GPU to load textures.

25:17

And a Google engineer specifically called this

25:19

a game changer feature for Android games,

25:22

just because it can reduce stuttering when

25:24

loading textures by a lot. It also,

25:26

as I mentioned, has the GPU memory

25:28

use. And because it frees up the

25:30

GPU resources, it can actually... allow the

25:33

GPU to focus on rendering the game

25:35

and the frames itself. So there's a

25:37

lot of benefits for games to implement

25:39

this new Vulcan feature, but the thing

25:42

is it requires a new version of

25:44

Vulcan. It requires the GPU to support

25:46

it. So what Google is doing is

25:48

saying if your Android device launches with

25:50

the chipset that launches with support for

25:53

Android 16, that GPU must support this

25:55

feature. So basically next generation chip sets

25:57

from Qualcomm MediaTech. Samsung and Google itself,

25:59

like the upcoming chips, that's not the

26:02

ones on market right now, will be

26:04

required. to support this feature. There are

26:06

some devices that already do support it,

26:08

but this will become a mandatory feature

26:10

for new chips that's going forward. So

26:13

if you're playing Gension Impact on your

26:15

device, you might notice a difference? You

26:17

know, like, is this going to be

26:19

the kind of noticeable thing and probably

26:22

only for a certain tier of games

26:24

with a certain graphic requirements? Depending on,

26:26

I think any game that implements it

26:28

will see big benefits. So the thing

26:30

is, the game has to implement it.

26:33

Really? Game has to implement it. Even

26:35

though the game has to implement it,

26:37

even though the game has to implement

26:39

it. But if it does implement it,

26:42

you'll notice big benefits. And it's not

26:44

going to be like a toggle, you'll

26:46

turn on and that sort of thing.

26:48

Fun fact, Vulcan spelled V-U-L-K-N is the

26:50

German word for a volcano. So I

26:53

was curious where the Vulcan name came

26:55

from, whether they just changed the C

26:57

to a K and it was a

26:59

Star Trek reference, but no, it's the

27:02

German word for volcano. Hopefully that doesn't

27:04

mean that your device runs really hot

27:06

when it's happening. Because it explodes with

27:08

graphics. It just does all the... You're

27:10

going to need some vapor chambers in

27:13

that device. And also how hard Michelle

27:15

is it when you're talking about Vulcan

27:17

and all this stuff to avoid saying

27:19

this is a game changer for games?

27:22

He's like I had none of them.

27:24

It's not an oxymoron. It's not redundant,

27:26

but it's something. It's some sort of

27:28

literary mechanism there. Game changer gets you

27:30

so often. I couldn't avoid it because

27:33

he calls it a game change for

27:35

games. Yeah. Totally. I mean, it's a

27:37

game changer for games. Anyway. All right.

27:39

What other fun stuff is there coming?

27:41

So the next change involves. This change

27:44

involves basically a a change in the

27:46

way that Sorry pull up one of

27:48

the articles that I'm losing my train

27:50

of thought So this change involves a

27:53

change in the way that media codex

27:55

currently operate on Android. So right now,

27:57

most codex, in order to have improved

27:59

security, they run in a sandbox process.

28:01

So basically they run in an isolated

28:04

process that is kept separate from the

28:06

OS processes or the rest of the

28:08

media framework. And this is done because

28:10

in the past, when you had the

28:13

Kodak process within the monolithic media framework.

28:15

And then if there were any exploits

28:17

found in a Kodak or someone gave

28:19

it really bad data or something, you

28:21

could break out of that sandbox and

28:24

gain a lot of permissions because the

28:26

media framework is a very privileged process

28:28

on Android. So starting with Android Newget,

28:30

Google isolated it into a sandbox process.

28:33

However, this resulted in some CPU overhead

28:35

because in order for an app to

28:37

say play some video or play some

28:39

music, it has to make an interprocess

28:41

communication call, an IPCC call from the

28:44

app. to the media codec sandbox process

28:46

and then back and forth. They're going

28:48

to constantly send data back and forth.

28:50

And this results in some overhead. So

28:53

what Google is working on is a

28:55

new feature that allows the codec process

28:57

to be run within the application process

28:59

itself. So there's no IPCC process between.

29:01

IPCC calls between processes. It's just all

29:04

within the app process itself. And they're

29:06

calling this feature in-process software audio codecs,

29:08

and it requires... the codec to be

29:10

rewritten in a memory safe language like

29:13

rust so that there's less of a

29:15

chance for there to be exploits and

29:17

for the to break out of the

29:19

sandbox. So this is a feature like

29:21

go enter 16 technically supports this feature

29:24

like there's API support for it and

29:26

develop and the OEMs the vendors can

29:28

technically build codecs that support it but

29:30

at the moment there's no support like

29:33

there's no actual implementation of it yet.

29:35

So like if you check all the

29:37

codecs on your device it's still under

29:39

the old sandbox approach instead of the

29:41

new. in a process approach. Cool. That

29:44

seems like it's an improvement, always better.

29:46

Yeah. This is super under the, this

29:48

is like, this is like, this is

29:50

under the hood, under the engine block,

29:53

this is like, I like, I like

29:55

streaming music and video, that's my commentary.

29:57

I like to stream media. And yeah,

29:59

just this change in general, if it

30:01

momented, it would make streaming music and

30:04

video more efficient. Great. That's a win

30:06

for everybody involved. Let's us consume. So,

30:08

yep. Yep. All right. All right. and

30:10

it's related to how Android compiles apps

30:13

in the background. So when you install

30:15

an application, there's this tool under the

30:17

hood called Dex to Oat that basically

30:19

takes the apps compiled by code. So

30:21

you know, when you write an app

30:24

and Java or Kotlin, it gets compiled

30:26

into this machine by code that then

30:28

gets interpreted by the Android runtime. So

30:30

what Dex to Oat does is it

30:33

takes that by code and it compiles

30:35

it into some... pre-compiled app artifacts. These

30:37

artifacts can include things that help the

30:39

app run more efficiently and faster, instead

30:41

of having to compile the app every

30:44

single time it wants to run. It

30:46

does some of this beforehand, right when

30:48

the app is installed. So the problem

30:50

is, for some low-end budget devices, this

30:52

decks-to-o tool, this step could take a

30:55

few seconds, especially if the application has

30:57

millions of lines of code and a

30:59

lot of things to check through when

31:01

it's trying to compile it. So it

31:04

could be a little slow. So what

31:06

Google is working on is a feature

31:08

called cloud compilation, where instead of compiling

31:10

the app artifacts on device, it does

31:12

it on the cloud, and then it

31:15

pulls those artifacts from the cloud, like

31:17

from Google Play, and uses that instead.

31:19

So this is basically a very under

31:21

the change, completely invisible to users and

31:24

even app developers, but it could speed

31:26

up the installation of applications. Hey, and

31:28

that's a good thing speeding up at

31:30

app installation is wonderful. It's funny because

31:32

because like I literally just this morning

31:35

I was experimenting with some new apps

31:37

and I was doing the Google Play

31:39

store in the web browser as I

31:41

was, you know, and click the install

31:44

button, install it on my phone and

31:46

watching the icon pop up and do

31:48

the thing. And I would literally, and

31:50

this is no joke, I was like,

31:52

why is this taking so long? Like

31:55

it's like this day and age, like

31:57

I'm watching the thing go, you know,

31:59

and as a product manager for an

32:01

app myself, like you want to keep

32:04

the app size small. in you know

32:06

to download your app quickly and get

32:08

into it and you know instant apps

32:10

never really took off right like that

32:12

was always the the thing that was

32:15

supposed to like pull people in and

32:17

they'll use your apps without having to

32:19

download them but when was last time

32:21

anyone's used an instant app like no

32:24

one's really kind of embraced that or

32:26

we're using it not even noticing I

32:28

don't know but this seems like a

32:30

good thing every once in a while

32:32

I run into an instant app scenario

32:35

I run into an instant app scenario

32:37

I run into an a lot of

32:39

developer support for it. You know, you

32:41

have to like basically build an instant

32:44

app version of your app. Right. Whereas

32:46

this kind of change, it should be

32:48

completely invisible. Yeah. App developers. Yeah. Everybody

32:50

benefits. Cool. Good work. Excellent. Well, thank

32:52

you, Michelle. We appreciate you checking in

32:55

with the latest and greatest. Well, and

32:57

then before we let you go, okay,

32:59

so this is all Android 16. We

33:01

continue to have information in news about

33:04

Android 16. The timetable has moved up.

33:06

Do we have any sense of like

33:08

when we expect this? Like, is this

33:10

the kind of thing that's probably going

33:12

to drop any time here pretty soon

33:15

or before Google I owe? Like what

33:17

is the kind of thinking now as

33:19

far as Android 16 coming out? I

33:21

mean, the expectation is June. It's June

33:24

okay, because I know that it had

33:26

moved up a little bit. So right.

33:28

Yeah, I mean I imagine I oh

33:30

they're gonna tout some of the stuff

33:32

and lock it in and then say

33:35

right like this because I oh is

33:37

late May right I always May 20th,

33:39

right? Right. Well, I mean, they're not

33:41

gonna talk about any of this stuff.

33:44

This is like to know. This is

33:46

like. Yeah, but they're not gonna lead

33:48

the keynote with. I feel like Michelle

33:50

as we. talk about this stuff we

33:52

should start kind of gauging it whether

33:55

like this is coming like immediate future

33:57

down the road way down the road

33:59

like that might you know like as

34:01

you do those articles am I you

34:03

know like having some sort of gauge

34:06

on a roadmap might be helpful or

34:08

at least as we talk about the

34:10

show you know because it could be

34:12

because every now and then it's like

34:15

you know here's a thing that's installing

34:17

in my phone right now and Michelle

34:19

talked about it eight months ago right

34:21

like yeah that kind of so we

34:23

can explain only we could figure out

34:26

the Michelle gauge of Android All right,

34:28

well, thank you, Michelle. We appreciate you

34:30

popping in. Enjoy your night off, and

34:32

you'll be back on the show next

34:35

week, right? So we'll see you next

34:37

week. Yeah. Awesome. Yay. All right, thank

34:39

you so much, sir. See you then.

34:41

All right, take care. Bew. Always good

34:43

to hear from Michelle. Why is that

34:46

thing on? There we go. Okay, now

34:48

I have the format. Extreme Yard wins.

34:50

Yeah, good to get the update, and

34:52

boy, that was. Oh, some under-the-hood stuff.

34:55

When does that resonate with you, the

34:57

latter part? A little bit. So one

34:59

is that, yeah, it's kind of funny

35:01

because, yeah, I know cloud everything, but

35:03

there's actually the build system we use

35:06

for Android. Generally speaking, it's called Gradle,

35:08

and there's a thing called remote, there's

35:10

a thing called build cash. where a

35:12

lot of times if you make a

35:15

small change, you don't have to get

35:17

your computer, you don't have to get

35:19

your system to rewrite the whole, like

35:21

recompile the entire code base, just the

35:23

part that changed. And you can actually

35:26

share that depending on if you have

35:28

the enterprise version of Gradle or not

35:30

to make a remote build cache. So

35:32

if someone built something with the same

35:35

code that you have, you don't have

35:37

to rebuild it on the remote build,

35:39

which is kind of makes me think

35:41

of. For example, the time it takes

35:43

to download an app and retention of

35:46

users, and basically the longer it takes

35:48

someone to download an app, the less...

35:50

likely that they are to complete the

35:52

download and as well as to actually

35:55

start up the app and use it.

35:57

And this kind of informs a lot

35:59

of like performance practices that we do

36:01

just in terms of like making APK

36:03

size small, meaning you're like your your

36:06

overall like you know binary smaller which

36:08

has a lot to do with how

36:10

you store it. images and stuff and

36:12

even just, you know, just, just, just,

36:15

just strategies like that. So this makes

36:17

a lot of sense because, yes, short

36:19

install times means better retention and better

36:21

install, so which is good for businesses

36:23

and developers. So yeah, definitely resonated. I

36:26

was taking around with Android Development Studio

36:28

and I came across Gradle and I

36:30

was just like, that's a weird word.

36:32

Yeah, not even a word. Win, what

36:35

do you think of instant apps? Why

36:37

didn't they take off? I know Michelle's

36:39

right they they were a bigger lift

36:41

than a lot of us wanted to

36:43

do and I mean laziness was laziness

36:46

under all of us. It's just like

36:48

it's just one of those things like

36:50

the ROI I always talk about ROI

36:52

the ROI is tiny and the thing

36:55

is it has to be a contained

36:57

experience so a lot of times when

36:59

you write an app think of how

37:01

many apps you use that require an

37:03

account. And so a lot of features

37:06

like API calls all of those require

37:08

some kind of authentication. And so when

37:10

you build an experience that has none

37:12

of that, that's actually a really big

37:14

lift. You know, and like even without

37:17

instant apps, a lot of times, like

37:19

for example, it's trello, we talked for

37:21

a long time about anonymous boards. Can

37:23

we just get someone using our product

37:26

without authentication? But it gets harder and

37:28

harder, like, the bigger your app gets.

37:30

apps that started with instant apps was

37:32

a B&H photo video. So stores are

37:34

a good example, right? Because you don't

37:37

have to be logged into your whatever

37:39

account to start shopping. You do have

37:41

to be, well, you don't even have

37:43

to be logged in necessarily to check

37:46

out. So that was like a good

37:48

use case. But for a lot of

37:50

other apps, it's just, there was no

37:52

use case. And then it was really

37:54

complicated to add on to the stuff

37:57

you're already doing. a similar conversation recently

37:59

at Scorbit where so much of our

38:01

functionality is based off of user identity,

38:03

right? Yeah, exactly. What can you do?

38:06

You know, like, same thing, like we're,

38:08

we're, we're, we're like talking about like,

38:10

do we have like a non-logged in

38:12

version of the app and then just

38:14

push back the login wall? But like,

38:17

what's the, you know, like, you're logging

38:19

or not gonna, like, once you log

38:21

in, then you're in, you know, you

38:23

know, so these are the things that

38:26

these are the things that developers that

38:28

developers that developers that developers that developers

38:30

that developers that developers go through, go

38:32

through, go through, go through, go through,

38:34

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:37

All right, cool. Well, fun of Android

38:39

16 stuff, but that's not all Google's

38:41

been working on. Google's been working on

38:43

Search, right, Jason? That's right. Well, and

38:46

some AI, of course, updates around Search.

38:48

We've heard about AI mode, and you

38:50

know, it's been kind of, Google's been

38:52

kind of testing it if you opt

38:54

in, that sort of thing, integrated into

38:57

Search. And now... They are using or

38:59

they are rolling out an update to

39:01

AI mode if you're checking it out

39:03

to bring photo search capabilities using the

39:06

on-board camera or you can upload an

39:08

image into AI mode. It's powered by

39:10

a Google lens and Gemini and they

39:12

say that it's working to understand the

39:14

overall scene. like the relationship of all

39:17

these objects to each other and not

39:19

just a single object Inside of the

39:21

scenes so for example one of the

39:23

things that they show off is you

39:26

know Understanding what all the books on

39:28

a bookshelf are instead of a single

39:30

book or instead of this is a

39:32

bookshelf It might understand part of that,

39:34

but it will also do something called

39:37

query fan out where it will run

39:39

searches on the entire image and then

39:41

it will also identify individual elements within

39:43

the image and run searches on each

39:46

of those and kind of, you know,

39:48

create context and correlations between all these

39:50

things and hopefully give you a smarter

39:52

result. So. I mean, at the end

39:54

of the day, all of these systems

39:57

coming from competing, you know, companies and

39:59

everything, they're all right now in the,

40:01

we've got to, you know, we've got

40:03

to be truly multimodal in all of

40:06

our products. And so we're seeing a

40:08

lot of updates like these and all

40:10

of the products, you know, at different

40:12

timetables. And then related to this, but

40:14

it wasn't part of the news, but

40:17

I ran across this is, you remember

40:19

a couple of weeks ago, we talked

40:21

about changes to Gemini Live. Actually, that

40:23

was announced, I think, at Mobile World

40:26

Congress, and that's starting to roll out

40:28

to roll out. So if you have

40:30

certain phones. you might have a version

40:32

of Gemini live that includes the camera

40:34

button as well as the screen share

40:37

button so that you can actually test

40:39

this out and use the pass-through camera

40:41

and point it at something and say,

40:43

hey, what am I looking at? those

40:45

kinds of features. So multimodality, coming to

40:48

more of Google's products, that's basically what's

40:50

going on. That's what I was going

40:52

to say, like the whole, like the

40:54

demos that we saw Google I.O. last

40:57

year of the, you know, using the

40:59

camera and the walking around and pointing

41:01

at stuff and then using, you know,

41:03

I've been using Lens more and more

41:05

with my kids, like we, I think

41:08

we talked about a recent on the

41:10

show where, you know, my daughter will

41:12

come up with me with me with

41:14

a bug and be like, like what's

41:17

this, right, right, right, right, right, you

41:19

know, be in search, you know, and

41:21

being like to the example of, you

41:23

know, take, you know, pointing it at

41:25

a bookshelf and getting information about the

41:28

books on the shelf and all that

41:30

stuff. I mean, that's that's the kind

41:32

of Star Trek next level stuff that

41:34

I want to see out of the

41:37

AI modes. And it's nice to see

41:39

it coming all say faster than I

41:41

would have expected. So, you know, it

41:43

just shows, you know, how much the

41:45

ripple effect of Gemini across all of

41:48

Google. We were talking about a couple

41:50

of Google. in different parts of the

41:52

company and here search is coming up

41:54

saying look what we can do with

41:57

this and you know it's kind of

41:59

neat to see this you know not

42:01

an arms race but just kind of

42:03

a developmental race yeah mhm mhm one

42:05

up in each other yeah what about

42:08

this what about this yeah that's cool

42:10

stuff I think that Jim and I

42:12

live feature played around with that a

42:14

little bit it's pretty cool yeah and

42:17

yeah very useful I think again though

42:19

We end up in this spot where

42:21

these tools do lots of really cool

42:23

things. It does kind of come down

42:25

to me as a user to remember

42:28

that it does cool things, you know,

42:30

because again, I can't help but compare

42:32

it to how assistant promised so many

42:34

things. And at a certain point, it

42:37

was like everybody was developing for assistant

42:39

and it could do so many things,

42:41

but you just never really turned to

42:43

it or I never really turned to

42:45

it because it was almost I was

42:48

stunted by... how much it was capable

42:50

of doing and just remembering that in

42:52

the first place. And so it's like,

42:54

you know, it falls off the road

42:57

down. And it's also funny because it's

42:59

like, I use assistant a lot with

43:01

the Google Home, you know, that we

43:03

have in the kitchen with the little

43:05

screen and everything. And my kids have

43:08

learned now to ask it questions and

43:10

things like that. And the hit rate

43:12

of actually getting assistant to answer the

43:14

question with a solid response or return,

43:17

you know, a video or something like

43:19

that versus... I don't know, but here

43:21

are some search results instead. Obliterating that

43:23

response and having this replace it and

43:25

give a conversational... search results. Something useful.

43:28

Yeah, something useful is that is not

43:30

to, you know, you know, go back

43:32

to my previous joke of Michelle is

43:34

a game changer, right? Is that, you

43:37

know, the idea of, you know, of,

43:39

you know, of, you know, the Gemini

43:41

Live conversational model, agentic, you know, when

43:43

we've been talking a lot about agentic

43:45

support, you know, with an AI and

43:48

all that stuff where it's like, you

43:50

know, terra gigabytes of data that you

43:52

haven't Google and Mountain View, right? Yeah.

43:54

Clinton props, says Google Assistant has entered

43:56

its senile phase. That's for sure. There

43:59

you go. All right, well, hey, we've

44:01

got some patrons watching us as we

44:03

record this live, I'm sure, and we've

44:05

got a lot of patrons who listen

44:08

and watch after the fact, and for

44:10

that we thank you. for truly we

44:12

could not do this each and every

44:14

week if it was not for you

44:16

and your direct support If you haven't

44:19

considered supporting it's kind of a good

44:21

time. We have some really neat plans

44:23

in store And there is not going

44:25

to be much longer before we start

44:28

rolling them out So that's the tease

44:30

that I'm going to give today to

44:32

lead into our patron picks and we

44:34

always like to start with a little

44:36

bit of art Submitted not necessarily always

44:39

by patrons. I can't remember who was

44:41

it. This was. This is from the

44:43

the all-star Devore I can't pronounce. I

44:45

can't pronounce. Devore Vos. Devore D. Devore

44:48

D. He said he was inspired by

44:50

playing with Gemini and the new image

44:52

stuff and mixed in a bug droid

44:54

news image with his favorite movie. Which

44:56

if you are a synophile you can

44:59

probably guess what movie it is by

45:01

what you can see from this bug

45:03

droid in a suit with noodle place

45:05

to his. and it's very rainy cityscape

45:08

with blimps flying above. So yeah, very

45:10

very cool, DeVore. So. It's not, it's

45:12

not blade runner, is it? It is

45:14

blade runner. It is blade runner. Doesn't

45:16

look science fiction. Like are blimps in

45:19

blade runner? Are they like, are blimps

45:21

in blade runner? I can't remember, it's

45:23

been a while. Yeah. Nonetheless, it's a

45:25

very good image. And a great way

45:28

to fit in another piece of news,

45:30

which is that I think the Pixel

45:32

Studio now allows you to create images

45:34

with people in them. Yes. So, there

45:36

you go. Which I have not told

45:39

my children about. Why? They create tons

45:41

of people. They will create people pooping

45:43

in in bouncy castles Google might not

45:45

let you create yeah, I know, but

45:48

still that's what yeah a little try

45:50

Anyways to more thank you for sending

45:52

that in we have three stories that

45:54

y'all voted on if you were a

45:56

patron for us to talk about the

45:59

losingest store actually this was a super

46:01

tight close I was watching it all

46:03

day today It was neck and neck.

46:05

Yeah, I have a pile of fingernail

46:08

clippings on the floor from when I

46:10

was like biting my nails because it

46:12

was so neck and neck. Not really

46:14

your Android phone is always lying to

46:16

you. It's not really up to date

46:19

came in at 32% That was the

46:21

losingest one at 33% Is Android isn't

46:23

the anti iPhone anymore? I did hear

46:25

about that article I've not read that

46:28

article I've not read that article I

46:30

heard about it today and a lot

46:32

of people are buzzing about it. Yeah,

46:34

okay. All right. I do I do

46:36

want to read that and then at

46:39

a whopping 35% 2% 2% more than

46:41

the the first place loser is it

46:43

looks like next Jen Rayban met as

46:45

smart glasses will follow the Google Glass

46:48

playbook. Oh, really. And how, how, how

46:50

do you say that, Bloomberg? How do

46:52

you know, Bloomberg had a report? Of

46:54

course, this article is Android Central, because

46:56

it's kind of hard to show off

46:59

Bloomberg stories if you don't have a,

47:01

a, a, a subscription to it. Hyper

47:03

Nova. is the name of a pair

47:05

of Raybans that meta is working on,

47:07

possibly releasing sometime this year, probably by

47:10

the end of this year, with a

47:12

monocular display, not binocular display, although I

47:14

have also heard that meta is working

47:16

on a binocular version. But is a

47:19

monocular display like a monocle man? No.

47:21

Oh. No. It is purely to. to

47:23

illustrate that in the regular looking meta

47:25

glass, Raybang glasses down in the bottom

47:27

corner of the lens is a single

47:30

monosocular display. Color display. It's much more

47:32

disappointing than a smart. Monocle. That would

47:34

be kind of cool though. I would

47:36

have a smart monopoly man monocle. That's

47:39

what I want. You know, you know

47:41

at some point when the technology gets

47:43

there, someone's gonna do that. Oh, you're

47:45

on to something, Ron, actually. I would

47:47

grow a big bushy mustache and wear

47:50

a top hat. and have my smart

47:52

monocle and be able to get directions

47:54

from Google Maps while I walk around.

47:56

Because it's kind of like carrying a

47:59

smartphone or a watch in a, but

48:01

it's like the best of all worlds.

48:03

You don't have to wear it all

48:05

the time. It's very light. Yeah. You

48:07

put it away? It's flexible. Yes, like

48:10

Mr. Peanut. Thank you. Oh, there it

48:12

is. Yeah, yep. Yes. Oh, my goodness.

48:14

I was gonna say, like, Scurgewick Duck,

48:16

but he's not wearing a monocle. Those

48:19

are two very small glasses at the

48:21

tip of his nose or bill. Yeah,

48:23

that's right. Yeah, good call. No, these

48:25

are not that, though. I think that

48:27

when you're done with Scorbit, you need

48:30

to fire up that business. Hopefully, the

48:32

tariffs won't be around, then. but this

48:34

is yeah, array bands, metaray bands with

48:36

a monocular display down to the bottom

48:39

right hand corner bundled with an SEMG

48:41

gesture, gesture, that goes around your wrist,

48:43

which essentially tracks kind of muscular movements,

48:45

impulses on the wrist for control. And

48:47

this reminded me, when I was at

48:50

CES, I actually checked out the mudra.

48:52

band, which is something similar and you

48:54

can kind of see it's being strapped

48:56

around my wrist. And then as I,

48:59

let's see if I can get rid

49:01

of the closed captioning for video viewers,

49:03

as I move different fingers on my

49:05

wrist, these different readouts on this display

49:07

that's just kind of meant to show

49:10

you. that it's working, whatever, kind of

49:12

react to that. And I think later,

49:14

you know, I had some actual control

49:16

of like playing some music and everything

49:19

like that. And what they, what they,

49:21

and I'm only bringing this up because

49:23

I think they're using very similar technologies

49:25

between the band that would ship with

49:27

the meta thing. That's, that has nothing

49:30

to do with it. Although, isn't that

49:32

cool looking? that ships with the meta

49:34

monocular glasses would have that ban. It

49:36

would be kind of similar to that.

49:39

It actually taps into kind of like

49:41

the neural pathways, what they were telling

49:43

me. I don't know how accurate. that

49:45

is, but for control. So we don't

49:47

know how the Google Samsung glasses that

49:50

we saw are gonna work, right? Are

49:52

those gonna be binocular? Because those had

49:54

like a AR display with, remember the

49:56

video had the woman walking through San

49:59

Francisco with the Google map overlay over

50:01

it, right? And that was like on,

50:03

it wasn't on one eye, that was

50:05

on both eyes. Yeah, are you talking

50:07

about Astra? Was that Ashton? No? No?

50:10

No? It was part of the moon,

50:12

the, the, the, the, the Samsung announcement.

50:14

The, what is that, what is the...

50:16

But not Muhan. Muhan is VR. Yeah,

50:19

but the AR glasses that they announced

50:21

at the same time as the VR

50:23

one. Was that what Astra is gonna

50:25

end up being? I don't know if

50:27

the Astra is the Samsung hardware, but

50:30

if you're talking about looking through and

50:32

down and you see the map as

50:34

you're going downtown, yeah, that was part

50:36

of the Astra announcement. Okay. And I

50:38

mean, I saw that. Like, I experienced

50:41

those. So January, I mean the announcement

50:43

from January. So there is my bed

50:45

missing, okay. So there is a report,

50:47

hold on, let me, let me link

50:50

it in the chat. There is a

50:52

report, I think Ben Sean actually wrote

50:54

this up a little while ago and

50:56

I forgot. Here it is. Yeah, something

50:58

about like smart glasses, like project. Sorry,

51:01

I'm not good at Korean. Hayan, Hayan,

51:03

which is a pair of glasses with

51:05

a display to show information or images

51:07

on the glasses like lenses. So that

51:10

sounds more like a more like a

51:12

glass. Here I just dropped in the

51:14

the article from the verge from December

51:16

when they announced Android XR Yeah, and

51:18

and they have the and there's a

51:21

screenshot of the where did you put

51:23

that link? In the chat, sorry, and

51:25

here I'll put it in There you

51:27

go. And so the doc. And there's

51:30

a screenshot of the point of view

51:32

of the person with the AR with

51:34

Android. Yes, that's that's the Astra. That's

51:36

exactly what that's okay. That's exactly what

51:38

I saw. Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. All right.

51:41

Yeah. So what it is is it's

51:43

it's it's it's a you know a

51:45

dialogue box from Google Maps telling you

51:47

where to go as you're walking through,

51:50

but that's not in one lens in

51:52

the lower right-hand corner like this meta

51:54

glasses are. That's front and center. That's

51:56

got to be a binocular display, right?

51:58

I mean, I guess I'm trying to

52:01

figure out what the difference between what

52:03

meta is doing and what Google and

52:05

Samsung are doing. So, okay. Having worn

52:07

the glasses that Google was talking about,

52:10

that may or may not be Samsung

52:12

glasses. Like I checked out the monocular

52:14

version of them. I also checked out

52:16

the binocular version. And in that particular

52:18

piece of hardware, the display is front

52:21

and center. It is in front of

52:23

you. It's just not always visible. It

52:25

depends on whether you summoned it. It

52:27

depends on whether you summoned it. It

52:30

depends on if you're looking down, like

52:32

if you're looking down, like in the

52:34

case of the maps, it was disappeared.

52:36

And then when I started to look

52:38

down, it faded look down, it faded

52:41

down, it faded down, it faded down,

52:43

it faded down, it faded down, it

52:45

faded down, it faded, faded, faded, faded,

52:47

faded, it faded, and it was in

52:50

that line of sight just with my

52:52

head tilting down I could actually see

52:54

it. I think what's different between this

52:56

and Meta's glasses based on what we

52:58

know from that article is that the

53:01

yes the display the monocular display so

53:03

the single display isn't in the line

53:05

of sight it's down kind of to

53:07

the right of where you might consider

53:10

center. to be. And so you'd have

53:12

to, I mean my understanding is you'd

53:14

have to look down into the right

53:16

in order to see the context and

53:18

you know that might be the better

53:21

approach just because it keeps things out

53:23

of your direct line of sight. I

53:25

did find it a little disconcerting when

53:27

things were popping up right in front

53:30

of my eyesight and you can kind

53:32

of see through it, but not entirely.

53:34

or you get used to it over

53:36

time, I'm not sure. But yeah, they

53:38

are definitely a little different approaches between

53:41

the two. Well, let's see what it

53:43

is. So what, so based off using

53:45

Astra, and I know you haven't used

53:47

this meta because it's just a report,

53:49

but what do we, what do you

53:52

think, I mean, do you think the

53:54

monocular kind of off to the side

53:56

is the way they go or the,

53:58

like from an experience, I mean, when

54:01

from a developer sample, I don't know,

54:03

just from a user experience, just from

54:05

a user experience, our experience to be.

54:07

Do you want it to not be

54:09

front and center or do you want

54:12

to be smack in front of, you

54:14

know, like the line? I think having

54:16

a front and center allows for a

54:18

little bit more of the I'm connecting

54:21

with you when I'm talking to you,

54:23

even though I'm seeing stuff kind of

54:25

thing. You know what I mean? Like,

54:27

with Google Glass, I specifically remember seeing

54:29

pictures of or video of both of

54:32

us using it on All About Android.

54:34

And you'll look kind of weird, like

54:36

going, oh yeah, kind of, you know,

54:38

with your eyes kind of cocked to

54:41

the side and up when you're looking

54:43

at that information. Holy cow and all

54:45

over the place, you know? I didn't

54:47

even play at that time. You did,

54:49

Ron, you chose that destiny. I could

54:52

like just like just burk as in

54:54

the in the chat I know he'd

54:56

appreciate. I sure I'm sure he did.

54:58

What do you think Wynn? What do

55:01

you think of this? I think it

55:03

would depend on what kind of app

55:05

you're writing so imagine like you're writing

55:07

like a fitness tracker you probably wouldn't

55:09

want you wouldn't need like the what

55:12

I imagine like a fitness tracker you

55:14

wouldn't want you wouldn't need like the

55:16

what I imagine you wouldn't want you

55:18

wouldn't need like the what I imagine

55:21

you wouldn't need like you would need

55:23

like a like you like you like

55:25

you like. Yeah, I think it's actually

55:27

an intriguing concept because I feel like

55:29

we're used to like notifications and statuses.

55:32

That's more or less what a watch

55:34

is, right? So I actually do think

55:36

the monocular, the monicle, the fancy, the

55:38

monocular, monocular UI gives more options, just

55:41

because I think sometimes when you, when

55:43

you work on random apps, like, okay,

55:45

well now I work on a media

55:47

app, so obviously like more screen space

55:49

is awesome, but. like you know regular

55:52

apps you you a lot of times

55:54

you don't have a lot of experiences

55:56

that that translate well to like you

55:58

know a big you know floating screen

56:01

in front of you but maybe just

56:03

a little like indicator or notification off

56:05

to the side just you can just

56:07

check whenever you want or just kind

56:09

of gives you a peripheral like notice

56:12

I think that's cool I mean and

56:14

and I can also share from the

56:16

Astra experience, having done both the monocular

56:18

and the binocular kind of versions of

56:21

Project Astra, when it was binocular did

56:23

not necessarily mean it was larger. It

56:25

just meant that the small window of

56:27

information that you had is now in

56:29

three dimensions and not two. That's really

56:32

all it meant. So it did not

56:34

occupy more space. It was the same

56:36

amount of space. It's just it gave

56:38

it three-dimensionality. But that's like a thing

56:41

though I think a lot of us

56:43

are being challenged on what can we

56:45

do with three-dimensional. You know what I

56:47

mean? Like it feels like three-dimensional. How

56:49

necessary is it to like? Yeah. What

56:52

does it really bring? Exactly. Sometimes I

56:54

think sometimes experience a little little little

56:56

kitchy when you just three-dimensionalize them for

56:58

no reason. Yeah, as you said like

57:00

it's useful. It's appropriate. So that's why

57:03

yeah makes sense. Yeah, yeah But I'm

57:05

very curious. I mean, and I will

57:07

also just say really quick to put

57:09

a little bit of a plug in.

57:12

But definitely check out tomorrow's AI Inside

57:14

podcast, another podcast that I do with

57:16

Jeff Jarvis. Last Friday, we were able

57:18

to book Jan Lacoon, who is basically

57:20

met as chief AI scientist. And he's

57:23

kind of a big deal in AI.

57:25

And I'm so happy that we were

57:27

able to talk to him. But the

57:29

reason that I bring it up in

57:32

this conversation is because we talk a

57:34

little bit about how AI is coming

57:36

to. these wearable form factors. And while

57:38

he doesn't talk about this device directly

57:40

or specifically, he definitely talks about meta's

57:43

thinking around what devices like this could

57:45

and should do. And so it's a

57:47

good insight into what you might be

57:49

able to expect when this happens. Very

57:52

cool. So cool. There you go. Awesome.

57:54

I know. It was a great conversation.

57:56

I can't wait to get that episode

57:58

out there, so that's tomorrow. But anyways,

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1:02:01

right, so when foldables we were

1:02:03

choking earlier about a hundred foldable

1:02:05

phone. Yes, I have to I

1:02:07

have to say like I think

1:02:09

if you were in the twitch

1:02:11

chat we I think we came

1:02:13

up with a little remix of

1:02:15

that song Wasn't hold on I

1:02:18

can't sing but like we see

1:02:20

my blood runs cold my mid

1:02:22

range might not be sold my

1:02:24

next phone is a send a

1:02:26

fold Did you just say a

1:02:28

day Giles? Who's fault in whose

1:02:30

fault in twitch chat was that

1:02:32

who did that? Who did that?

1:02:34

Who's responsible for that one, but

1:02:36

that's interesting I don't know if

1:02:38

they we need to elevate them

1:02:40

and congratulate them or ban them

1:02:42

I'm so confused by that what

1:02:44

I like it and I don't

1:02:46

know how to feel. I think

1:02:48

we have a show title now,

1:02:50

but it's very long. We'll have

1:02:52

to figure out how to do

1:02:54

that. Anyway, anyway, okay, so we

1:02:56

talked about a center fold. Well,

1:02:58

we're not quite there yet, but

1:03:00

we might be getting a quad

1:03:02

fold. So in a patent filing

1:03:04

in South Korea, Samsung has put

1:03:06

in a patent for, but let

1:03:08

me sure I read this correctly,

1:03:10

so we don't, we don't make

1:03:13

any. We don't make any aspersions

1:03:15

or extra implications that aren't there.

1:03:17

But Samsung has submitted a patent

1:03:19

for electronic device, including bendable display.

1:03:21

Is that what you're looking for?

1:03:23

Yes, yes, yes. In all caps.

1:03:25

Very generic. But within the patent

1:03:27

are two phones, one is a

1:03:29

trifold, you know, a boring old

1:03:31

trifold, you know, we've seen those.

1:03:33

But another image or diagram in

1:03:35

the patent is a quadfold. So.

1:03:37

The quad fold presumably does have

1:03:39

an outer display, probably, I don't

1:03:41

know, it's kind of hard challenge,

1:03:43

they're just wire frames, but the

1:03:45

quad fold comes in is like,

1:03:47

okay, imagine you fold a paper

1:03:49

in half and then you take

1:03:51

each half and you fold those

1:03:53

in half inwards? So yeah, so

1:03:55

kind of like a pamphlet, I

1:03:57

keep saying pamphlet, like that. It's

1:03:59

like an in, a pamphlet that

1:04:01

only folds in, in, in words,

1:04:03

in words, in words, it's like

1:04:05

the map of Disneyland. Oh, of

1:04:08

course you would have the reference

1:04:10

to Disneyland. I can't back, I

1:04:12

can't even back you up on

1:04:14

that one. It's the tall thin

1:04:16

map that you open up, you

1:04:18

can never fold it back the

1:04:20

way it came or over, you

1:04:22

know. Hopefully that's not the case

1:04:24

with. looks like three hinges four

1:04:26

hinges in it four hinges yeah

1:04:28

yeah definitely a big chunky chunky

1:04:30

middle hinge bit but yeah it

1:04:32

is a patent and there is

1:04:34

a drawing for a trifold which

1:04:36

and there is a rumor trifold

1:04:38

of course that sampling has dropped

1:04:40

hints to this is not like

1:04:42

the mate x t it is

1:04:44

what I think we've we've seen

1:04:46

in the past as like their

1:04:48

gfold their gfold concept where it's

1:04:50

If you look at the diagram,

1:04:52

if you can see one diagram

1:04:54

where there has like three screens,

1:04:56

if you just take off the

1:04:58

left side, it's basically a Z

1:05:00

fold. It's like if you took

1:05:03

a Z fold and you riveted

1:05:05

on one more folding segment, that's

1:05:07

what this kind of looks like.

1:05:09

So that's what their G fold,

1:05:11

what their triple fold concept is.

1:05:13

And if you scroll down, the

1:05:15

reason I think it was called

1:05:17

a G. It's because you'll get

1:05:19

it from the side when it's

1:05:21

folded. The middle one is like

1:05:23

a knee. So yes. So who

1:05:25

knows? This is just a patent

1:05:27

of course. And of course companies

1:05:29

don't necessarily file patents for things

1:05:31

that they're going to make. They

1:05:33

sometimes might just file it for

1:05:35

this establishing prior art or maybe

1:05:37

this is just something very aspirational

1:05:39

down the line. They just want

1:05:41

to establish it. This is our

1:05:43

idea. We came up with it

1:05:45

first. So in yeah. I was

1:05:47

just going to say at Mobile

1:05:49

World Congress I got to see

1:05:51

some of some of the famed

1:05:53

fabled foldable devices that Samsung has

1:05:55

has done over the years as

1:05:58

far as kind of like, you

1:06:00

know, test devices, not necessarily, obviously,

1:06:02

consumer releases. And one of them

1:06:04

was kind of like a claw

1:06:06

folding device. It was just a

1:06:08

two-hinged foldable, but it like, it

1:06:10

folded in on itself, almost like

1:06:12

a claw would, and it was

1:06:14

very, very creepy looking, but this

1:06:16

is adding an extra hinge to

1:06:18

the scenario. Yeah, they're always they're

1:06:20

always playing around with these things.

1:06:22

Who knows? I mean, how long

1:06:24

have they been, I feel like

1:06:26

we've been talking about Samsung's trifold,

1:06:28

like, you know, concept device for

1:06:30

a number of years now. We've

1:06:32

been seeing it. They're overdue to

1:06:34

come up with a new form

1:06:36

factor, right? Like, like they were

1:06:38

the innovators in terms of getting

1:06:40

foldable to the mass market with

1:06:42

the with the fold in the

1:06:44

flip and the flip. And it's

1:06:46

great. We're, it's tired, right? And

1:06:48

we're seeing innovation come from Wawai

1:06:50

and from, you know, from other

1:06:53

folks in terms of with the,

1:06:55

you know, with the trifold. So

1:06:57

like, it would make sense that

1:06:59

Samsung's just gonna skip three folds

1:07:01

and go to four folds, right?

1:07:03

I'd say just skip this and

1:07:05

go to Senate folds because imagine

1:07:07

if you just had an infinite

1:07:09

number of folds, then it just

1:07:11

becomes a rollable. I want hard

1:07:13

light, that's what I want. I

1:07:15

just want like, I want a

1:07:17

little puck that does a little

1:07:19

thing and I can tap it.

1:07:21

So, would you, would you, I

1:07:23

don't know, what do you think?

1:07:25

for quadfold interesting that interesting to

1:07:27

I think I think it's interesting

1:07:29

because that when I went opened

1:07:31

it's basically you know you got

1:07:33

like a tablet you know like

1:07:35

it's it's it's it's you know

1:07:37

presumably it's that wider kind of

1:07:39

thing it'd be great for consuming

1:07:41

media and you know and all

1:07:43

that sort of stuff it's interesting

1:07:45

I see it how it goes

1:07:48

in execution right more you fold

1:07:50

though the thicker the thicker the

1:07:52

thing is gonna be like right

1:07:54

but the hinges are getting smaller

1:07:56

and smaller right I mean like

1:07:58

you don't put forth this concept

1:08:00

unless you can combat that problem

1:08:02

right so yeah yeah I mean

1:08:04

I don't get me wrong I'm

1:08:06

curious I want to see this

1:08:08

thing but that would be my

1:08:10

my immediate is like okay so

1:08:12

if we've got four things folding

1:08:14

on top of each other though

1:08:16

each of those things has to

1:08:18

be really thin I mean regardless

1:08:20

of the hinge you know even

1:08:22

just the the the depth of

1:08:24

each layer has to be really

1:08:26

thin and is that Is that

1:08:28

enough space to fit, you know,

1:08:30

enough battery in there and all

1:08:32

the other components? And, you know,

1:08:34

then you've got, uh, then you've

1:08:36

got, you know, the ability of

1:08:38

the device to survive in your

1:08:40

pocket if you sit down and

1:08:43

all that kind of stuff. But

1:08:45

I would love to see it.

1:08:47

Yeah, I would love to see

1:08:49

it. It would probably be really

1:08:51

cool. So, yeah. Another thing that

1:08:53

we're keeping an eye out on

1:08:55

is a free TV button coming

1:08:57

soon to all of your Google

1:08:59

TV remotes because apparently that's a

1:09:01

thing that's gonna start happening going

1:09:03

forward. And we have one way

1:09:05

to witness this. Actually, last year

1:09:07

I did a review of Walmart's

1:09:09

on TV streamer, what it was

1:09:11

called, the on 4K pro or

1:09:13

plus or something like that. Anyways

1:09:15

there's leaked, leaked, leaked. marketing materials

1:09:17

for an upcoming replacement of that

1:09:19

device, a new on 4K plus

1:09:21

streamer, which kind of, you know,

1:09:23

has basically all the same components

1:09:25

for the most part, the box,

1:09:27

the wires, a remote that yes,

1:09:29

includes a free TV button, which

1:09:31

the one that I tested last

1:09:33

year did have that as well.

1:09:35

And, you know, this is all

1:09:38

tied to Google's, what is it

1:09:40

called, TV free play, which is,

1:09:42

you know, they're fast. which stands

1:09:44

for free ad supported television channels,

1:09:46

which Google's been touting up to

1:09:48

150 of them. So it was

1:09:50

on the on device last year.

1:09:52

Now it's going to be on

1:09:54

this year and this guy at

1:09:56

Android Authority named Michelle Raman. also

1:09:58

co-host on the show, wrote his

1:10:00

exclusive that Google has said, Google

1:10:02

TV remotes going forward will have

1:10:04

a free TV button because Google

1:10:06

wants you to use their fast

1:10:08

channels, their free play. And so

1:10:10

there you go, you got to

1:10:12

get used to it. So a

1:10:14

couple of thoughts here, going back

1:10:16

to the on, and then, then,

1:10:18

then, then device. Last year's model,

1:10:20

that sucker never was in stock.

1:10:22

Really? Walmart could not keep that

1:10:24

thing in stock. That thing sold

1:10:26

out as quickly as they put

1:10:28

it on the shelf. So like

1:10:30

good, like good, like that is

1:10:33

a hit device. Like if you

1:10:35

got your hands on one of

1:10:37

them. like that it is, I

1:10:39

don't know if it's not as

1:10:41

good as the invidious shield, but

1:10:43

it's definitely, it brought connected TV

1:10:45

to a lot, a lot, a

1:10:47

lot of people who might not,

1:10:49

you know, it definitely challenged Roku

1:10:51

and all this sort of stuff

1:10:53

in terms of like a lot

1:10:55

of people shot at Walmart, the

1:10:57

price point was correct, it brought

1:10:59

Google TV to a lot of

1:11:01

people, you know, really, really impressive.

1:11:03

The free TV side of things,

1:11:05

I don't know about you guys,

1:11:07

but like, If you're, I track

1:11:09

the streaming world a lot, when

1:11:11

you're going to have to start

1:11:13

tracking this business a lot, I

1:11:15

could suggest some podcasts and some

1:11:17

newsletters for you to listen to

1:11:19

her to read. But, but like,

1:11:21

Pluto, Pluto TV did really, really

1:11:23

well and then has kind of

1:11:25

languished under the paramount, you know,

1:11:28

Skydance merger, it's just been a

1:11:30

kind of like dying on the

1:11:32

vine, how there, but Tubby, has

1:11:34

grown to a point that is

1:11:36

like, like, You know, I mean,

1:11:38

Tubie has a larger, let's just

1:11:40

say it, Tubie has a larger

1:11:42

audience than Apple TV Plus, right,

1:11:44

which is crazy, right? So, and

1:11:46

it's, it's probably one of the

1:11:48

better, you know, it's probably one

1:11:50

of the, the better known, better,

1:11:52

you know, most, most, most engagement

1:11:54

on the fast channels kind of

1:11:56

offerings that are out there. So

1:11:58

of course, Google's going after it.

1:12:00

those channels. Now that said, if

1:12:02

you're familiar with these fast, if

1:12:04

you watch Tube or Pluto or

1:12:06

Google's free TV, what is it

1:12:08

called? Again, free play stuff. It's

1:12:10

a lot of like recycled content

1:12:13

and I will be honest, I watch Google

1:12:15

Free Play to watch my old game shows.

1:12:17

I love them. I can watch so much

1:12:19

old pressure luck and car sharks and stuff

1:12:22

like that. It's fantastic. And there's old Beverly

1:12:24

Hills 90210 and there, you know, Mean Flow,

1:12:26

that's where Me and Flow watch it on

1:12:28

there. And there's old Happy Days channels and

1:12:31

there's old Johnny Carson and like if you're

1:12:33

into Old TV, they're a blast. There's so

1:12:35

much, there's a ton of fun. So yeah,

1:12:37

so I like the free TV side of

1:12:40

it. So I'm not surprised that Google's leading

1:12:42

into it. Google's leading into it. Do

1:12:44

you like it enough to have

1:12:46

a button, an ever-present button on

1:12:48

your remote that only points there?

1:12:50

Unless you don't live in a

1:12:52

market where free play is supported,

1:12:54

then Google says you'll be able

1:12:56

to map that button. Otherwise you

1:12:58

are not going to be able

1:13:00

to be able to map that

1:13:02

button. Otherwise you are not going

1:13:04

to be able to be able

1:13:06

to. Unless you are not going

1:13:08

to be able to. Unless you

1:13:10

are not going to be able

1:13:13

to map. People like to have

1:13:15

full ownership. Anytime those buttons on

1:13:17

a remote that's saying Netflix and

1:13:19

YouTube and whatever, even if I

1:13:21

use those services, for whatever reason,

1:13:23

it just bugs me. I just

1:13:25

don't like it. And I should

1:13:27

get over it because it's an

1:13:29

easier way to get to the things, but I

1:13:31

don't know. Like, stop it. We'll

1:13:33

see. But I guess I get

1:13:36

it Google. It's hard to argue.

1:13:38

All right, well, moving back to

1:13:40

phones, very exciting. For those of

1:13:43

you who are fans of smaller

1:13:45

phones, the one plus 13T is

1:13:47

coming, and it's been branded the

1:13:50

mini device in the one plus

1:13:52

world. Right, so it looks,

1:13:54

the rumors on this phone

1:13:56

is gonna have a small

1:13:58

screen of about 6.3. inches, which

1:14:00

is definitely on the smaller side,

1:14:02

which, by the way, Jason, going

1:14:04

back in time into the Android

1:14:06

time machine, remember when 6.3 inches

1:14:08

was a big phone? Oh, yeah,

1:14:10

yeah. So now have a 6.3

1:14:12

inches is described as a mini

1:14:14

phone. But here's the thing. It's

1:14:16

likely gonna have a 6,000 plus

1:14:18

milliamp battery in there. Okay. Okay.

1:14:20

That's a lot of battery power

1:14:22

for a small phone. The other

1:14:24

rumors claim that might go beyond

1:14:26

6200 200 milliamp batteries, which is

1:14:28

crazy. But then additionally. It's also

1:14:30

supposedly going to be a lightweight

1:14:32

device. The current one plus 13

1:14:34

weighs 210 grams. This phone might

1:14:36

weigh... a hundred and eighty five

1:14:38

grams sound right which is a

1:14:40

freaking tardus or something is it

1:14:43

bigger on the inside really it's

1:14:45

very strange so a lot of

1:14:47

strange rumors swirling around the one

1:14:49

plus thirteen t and this one

1:14:51

is the next one isn't so

1:14:53

much a rumor it's confirmed but

1:14:55

we're gonna see what what what

1:14:57

what else comes of it but

1:14:59

you know we did get confirmation

1:15:01

that one plus is getting rid

1:15:03

of the slider button that the

1:15:05

slider button but the slider on

1:15:07

the slider Yeah, everyone loves, right?

1:15:09

You know, and they're replacing it

1:15:11

with a customizable button, which I

1:15:13

feel like are the new hotness

1:15:15

now in phones. They are the

1:15:17

Nothing and things like that. And

1:15:19

One Plus actually shared a sneak

1:15:21

peek of it. The One Plus

1:15:23

China President Li G Lewis shared

1:15:25

an image on Webo of the

1:15:27

button, where you can see it's

1:15:29

a very, very close-up of a

1:15:31

finger on the button. And apparently

1:15:33

the button is going to... There

1:15:35

it is. is going to be

1:15:37

on the upper left of the

1:15:39

phone and it will be customizable.

1:15:41

Apparently it's going to be called

1:15:43

quick key, but that actually might

1:15:45

be lost in translation. It might

1:15:47

be called something different in English,

1:15:49

but that's why I was translated

1:15:51

from Chinese. So we're not sure

1:15:53

if that's actually what it will

1:15:55

be. But they're saying it's going

1:15:57

to be an upgrade over the

1:15:59

old alert slider, which everybody loved.

1:16:01

They said it's going to allow

1:16:03

switching between mute vibration and ringing.

1:16:05

modes as well as quote facilitate

1:16:07

easy switching of choices in a

1:16:09

series of operations. So we will

1:16:11

see what the quick key potentially

1:16:13

can do on the one plus

1:16:15

13T tiny phone that weighs next

1:16:17

to nothing. It's supposed to come

1:16:19

out later this month. So we'll

1:16:21

see. That's for real? I'm waiting

1:16:23

for the Ocatel response to this

1:16:25

to be like a 60,000 milliamp

1:16:27

phone or something and it weighs

1:16:29

about as much as like a

1:16:31

dwarf star or something and just

1:16:33

like a whole platform in your

1:16:35

pocket. You can power a small

1:16:37

town of Montana. Exactly, and it

1:16:39

will. That's rugged for you. Okay,

1:16:41

well, so that's that's kind of

1:16:43

like up in the stakes and

1:16:45

up in the batteries. We have

1:16:47

to talk a little bit different

1:16:49

direction for the Google pixel 10

1:16:51

series camera specs and this report

1:16:54

comes from sources inside of Google

1:16:56

and is reported by Camila Voichelauska

1:16:58

who we he reports from very

1:17:00

often on our show. So we

1:17:02

mentioned before that given like the

1:17:04

early renders and leaks of the

1:17:06

pixel 10 series, it looks like

1:17:08

the baseline model was going to

1:17:10

have three cameras this year, a

1:17:12

tele photo added to the previous

1:17:14

wide and altarright. Well, you don't

1:17:16

get nothing free because it may

1:17:18

be in tradeoff either from a

1:17:20

technological perspective or maybe just from

1:17:22

a pricing, you know, product positioning

1:17:24

perspective. Unfortunately, the ultra-wide and the

1:17:26

tele photo lens that will be

1:17:28

added to the pixel 10 will

1:17:30

be a significant downgrade from, and

1:17:32

actually, actually all three cameras, my

1:17:34

bet, all three cameras on the

1:17:36

phone will be a downgrade or

1:17:38

rather the main, the ultra-wide cameras

1:17:40

will be a downgrade. So previously

1:17:42

in the pixel 9, the pixel

1:17:44

9 and pixel 9 pro had

1:17:46

identical cameras, both of equal, like

1:17:48

sensor size, you know, aperture and

1:17:50

quality. This year they are really

1:17:52

separating out by basically bringing the

1:17:54

pixel 10 cameras down a step.

1:17:56

So while yeah, so the sensors

1:17:58

will be like a little from

1:18:00

previous like model like a previous

1:18:02

generation. The main camera will be

1:18:04

50 megapixels both on the pixel

1:18:06

10 and pixel 10 pro, but

1:18:08

will be again a different sensor

1:18:10

and a little bit of a

1:18:12

slower lens, a little bit a

1:18:14

little bit of a slower lens.

1:18:16

Same thing for the altaride. Actually,

1:18:18

altaride's quite a step down. The

1:18:20

pixel 10 pro will have a

1:18:22

48 megapixel altaroid camera. The pixel

1:18:24

10 will have a 13 megapixel

1:18:26

camera. And then the telephone lens

1:18:28

will also be nothing too impressive

1:18:30

on the Peckelton Pro. There's a

1:18:32

48 megapistle. I don't just say

1:18:34

it's not impressive, but it's definitely,

1:18:36

there's a big spec difference. But

1:18:38

similar, 48 megapixle on the Peckelton

1:18:40

Pro and then 11 megapixles on

1:18:42

the Peckelton and of course the

1:18:44

sensors, as I said, are a

1:18:46

little bit kind of downgraded. I

1:18:48

don't know how, how do y'all

1:18:50

feel about that? Because I think

1:18:52

one of the things is that

1:18:54

we've talked a lot about the

1:18:56

positioning of these different products within

1:18:58

not just, you know, the main,

1:19:00

you know, pixel X series, but

1:19:03

also the pixel XA series. We've

1:19:05

seen, you know, a big change

1:19:07

in the look and the specs

1:19:09

of the pixel A this year,

1:19:11

and now the cameras. which you

1:19:13

know I think is fair to

1:19:15

say been one of the selling

1:19:17

points of the pixel and to

1:19:19

be fair not it's not just

1:19:21

raw specs that make you know

1:19:23

pixel pictures magic it's a lot

1:19:25

of it is a computational photography

1:19:27

how does this taste what does

1:19:29

the flavor of this to y'all

1:19:31

of having especially if the pixel

1:19:33

ten base model is the same

1:19:35

price that we've been seeing which

1:19:37

is about eight hundred dollars how

1:19:39

does this What does this what's

1:19:41

the flavor that you guys are

1:19:43

getting from this change? I for

1:19:45

some reason flavor. I'm hungry. I

1:19:47

think that's what the thing is.

1:19:49

How does it seem to you

1:19:51

guys? Is it reasonable unreasonable? I

1:19:53

don't know. I mean, yeah, I

1:19:55

think I think we've gotten used

1:19:57

to things being on a similar

1:19:59

kind of field between the devices

1:20:01

and so having them be different.

1:20:03

I mean, we do criticize. or

1:20:05

maybe criticize as the wrong word,

1:20:07

but we do question sometimes when

1:20:09

it comes to like the A

1:20:11

series versus the standard versus the

1:20:13

pro and the Excel, sometimes it's

1:20:15

hard to really get a clear

1:20:17

indication of where the value proposition

1:20:19

for, you know, the next expensive

1:20:21

one is because they've all grown.

1:20:23

together towards the same center point

1:20:25

over the last handful of years.

1:20:27

So maybe this is Google figuring

1:20:29

out how to kind of differentiate

1:20:31

them a little bit more. And

1:20:33

sure, it kind of sucks if

1:20:35

you're getting in on the pixel

1:20:37

10 because maybe you get a

1:20:39

downgraded camera by comparison, but from

1:20:41

a business standpoint, I can kind

1:20:43

of understand. You got to give

1:20:45

people a reason to plug up,

1:20:47

you know, to pony up for

1:20:49

the next step. And yeah, that's

1:20:51

I think we're in my mind,

1:20:53

is that right? Yeah. I don't

1:20:55

know. I'm the least, because I

1:20:57

don't know enough about this stuff

1:20:59

to argue, and just like, I'm

1:21:01

not even, you know, like, I

1:21:03

feel like we've reached a point

1:21:05

with these camera stuff where like

1:21:07

take pictures, we compared to pictures

1:21:09

we took 10 years ago. It's

1:21:12

like, I can't believe the output

1:21:14

we get, right? So like we're

1:21:16

talking a matter of, you know,

1:21:18

you know, you know, so. Yeah,

1:21:20

I mean, it's interesting, like I

1:21:22

guess it's also a question of

1:21:24

whether tele photo was something that

1:21:26

people were itching for, and maybe,

1:21:28

I mean, I don't personally know,

1:21:30

not a hardware person anymore, but

1:21:32

it could be that this was

1:21:34

a reasonable technological hardware design restraint

1:21:36

that if you wanted three cameras,

1:21:38

the first two are going to

1:21:40

have to get a downgrade. I'm

1:21:42

just kind of curious. to hear

1:21:44

from either you guys or anybody

1:21:46

out there that loves them they

1:21:48

tele photo lens just is I

1:21:50

love a tele photo you know

1:21:52

we need to know we need

1:21:54

to get Miriam on the show

1:21:56

and get and and get that

1:21:58

perspective because if anybody has an

1:22:00

opinion on this I'm sure Miriam

1:22:02

does so yeah I mean I

1:22:04

mean, I am a huge fan

1:22:06

of tele photo lenses, and I

1:22:08

would rather have one than not.

1:22:10

So getting one on the 10,

1:22:12

you know, that would make me

1:22:14

happy. But, but, you know, well,

1:22:16

yeah, having one is better than

1:22:18

not having one. What is the

1:22:20

quality of the lens, you know,

1:22:22

and the pictures that are there,

1:22:24

and again, giving people a reason.

1:22:26

to actually pony up for the

1:22:28

next step up. So if it's

1:22:30

there, great. I mean, that does

1:22:32

kind of negate what I was

1:22:34

saying earlier because it brings a

1:22:36

tele photo into the picture that

1:22:38

wasn't there before. And so that

1:22:40

was kind of a differentiator. But

1:22:42

if the quality of the cameras

1:22:44

are on the pro and the

1:22:46

Excel and the 10 is like

1:22:48

lesser, but still good enough. Like

1:22:50

you said, Ron, these cameras are

1:22:52

great. Yeah, they're all great. It's

1:22:54

just like great or greater or

1:22:56

greater. can't go wrong these days,

1:22:58

at least not from camera, from

1:23:00

Google's cameras. Until it comes out

1:23:02

and everybody complains that the photo

1:23:04

quality is crap and then they

1:23:06

blame this, they blame this decision

1:23:08

on it and yeah, and so

1:23:10

we'll see. I will say as

1:23:12

a pixel fold user just real

1:23:14

quick before you move on, I

1:23:16

don't have to, I actually notice

1:23:18

a difference in quality between, and

1:23:20

again, I'm a bad photographer, this

1:23:23

might be a problem problem. I

1:23:25

do notice a difference between my

1:23:27

photos on my pixel 9 fold

1:23:29

and my sister who has like

1:23:31

the pixel 9 pro, I do

1:23:33

know the difference. And for what

1:23:35

it's worth for those foldy folks

1:23:37

out there, it turns out that

1:23:39

the sensor in here, the pixel

1:23:41

9 fold, was from the 8A,

1:23:43

and it looks like the pixel

1:23:45

10 will get the 9A sensor.

1:23:47

So take that as what you

1:23:49

will, and if the camera has

1:23:51

become like a deal breaker for

1:23:53

you on the fold, it does

1:23:55

not compete with the pro and

1:23:57

pro Excel. Okay. Yeah. Tradoffs. You're

1:23:59

paying for the folding aspect of

1:24:01

that phone. Which is fair. Like

1:24:03

I said, I'm a shit photographer,

1:24:05

so maybe that's what I need.

1:24:07

Yep. I see. All right. Well,

1:24:09

we're going to take quick break

1:24:11

and we come back, we've got

1:24:13

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1:24:15

some of your emails, you listeners.

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right. Blaster apps. First up, Blasted,

1:25:44

Blaster apps. First up is another

1:25:46

article from Michelle. He can't be here

1:25:48

yet. He's always here. Talking about Android

1:25:50

Auto. Specifically around the fact that it

1:25:53

looks like Google has developed a dash

1:25:55

cam app. for cars that have Android

1:25:57

automotive, but don't get your hopes up

1:26:00

because you can't download it. Basically, Google

1:26:02

has the hopes to enable more cars

1:26:04

to be able to record their

1:26:06

surroundings with their built-in cameras. And so

1:26:09

they've developed this dash cam app to

1:26:11

do that. A lot of cars that

1:26:13

run Android automotive don't have a native

1:26:16

dash cam app. So, you know, Google's

1:26:18

thinking that this solution can help them

1:26:20

roll it out. dash cam app is

1:26:23

ready to go and car makers could

1:26:25

deploy it as is or they can

1:26:27

make customizations and make it you know

1:26:30

make their own changes to it if

1:26:32

they want to to get it

1:26:34

out there. So interesting that they did

1:26:36

it that they're thinking in this way

1:26:39

you know not every car has a

1:26:41

dash cam and so you you know

1:26:44

potentially would need to buy a dash

1:26:46

cam for it in order to do

1:26:48

it and if you go into Michelle's

1:26:51

article he goes into the details as

1:26:53

to where the where the files of

1:26:55

the videos would be stored and how

1:26:58

to integrate dash cam and things like

1:27:00

that. kind of more under the

1:27:02

hood information. But interesting car stuff for

1:27:04

those of you who are interested in

1:27:07

that world. Yeah, seeing more and more

1:27:09

dashcams actually out in the wild. And

1:27:11

actually this company is next base. I

1:27:14

have the dash cam downstairs and I'm

1:27:16

planning on testing it. So the next

1:27:18

base IQ dash cam. But I don't

1:27:21

have Android auto in my vehicle, the

1:27:23

one that this would connect to. So

1:27:25

I can't test that aspect of it.

1:27:28

But there you go. Microsoft is expanding

1:27:30

its co-pilot vision feature to Windows

1:27:32

and mobile devices. And this kind of

1:27:34

ties in with what we're talking about

1:27:37

earlier as far as like all the

1:27:39

companies kind of doing very similar things

1:27:41

right now following kind of. They're all

1:27:44

on similar tracks right now as far

1:27:46

as bringing in more multimodality into AI

1:27:48

products and everything. And in this case,

1:27:51

Copilot Vision is broadening the future set

1:27:53

beyond just the web. It could only

1:27:55

analyze web pages in Edge before. Now

1:27:58

it can process real-time video from

1:28:00

mobile. So similar to screen sharing, apparently.

1:28:02

And, you know, in many ways, kind

1:28:04

of sounds similar to me to the

1:28:07

update that Google Live, to a certain

1:28:09

degree, has announced and it is rolling

1:28:11

out now. So, like I said, they're

1:28:14

all on kind of a similar pathway.

1:28:16

They want to be sure, they don't

1:28:18

want to be left behind. Microsoft's no

1:28:21

difference. So, there you go. All

1:28:24

right, well, we talked about Windows phone,

1:28:26

Windows Windows, Windows, Windows, and phone link

1:28:28

quite a bit in the show, but

1:28:30

you might actually be a fan of

1:28:32

a different app called Intel. This was

1:28:35

an app released by Intel, I think

1:28:37

around 2022, and it had a lot

1:28:39

of the same features that Windows or

1:28:41

Windows 11 phone link has, which is

1:28:43

allowing you to connect PC to a

1:28:46

smartphone, but actually an Android or an

1:28:48

iOS. phone was able to use this

1:28:50

app and you could do things like

1:28:52

transfer files make calls and receive messages

1:28:54

see your phone message or phone notifications

1:28:56

rather on your PC as well as

1:28:59

do cool things like be able to

1:29:01

use universal control feature on tablets or

1:29:03

even use a tablet to extend your

1:29:05

PC screen. This was a Windows 11

1:29:07

thing, and it was actually really highly

1:29:10

rated 4.5 stars on Google Plan, 4.7

1:29:12

on Apple App Store, which is pretty

1:29:14

remarkable for something that doesn't let a

1:29:16

hardware communication stuff. Well, I'm sorry to

1:29:18

say, if you are an install unison

1:29:20

user, you're not going to be for

1:29:23

very long. Unfortunately Intel is shutting down

1:29:25

that app and it will cease to

1:29:27

work after June 2025. But yeah, I

1:29:29

never heard of this, but it's pretty

1:29:31

remarkable in that it does a lot

1:29:34

of what phone link does, but cross-platform

1:29:36

me like between Android and Iowa. So

1:29:38

sorry IOSFAM. I don't know if you

1:29:40

made use of this option, but it's

1:29:42

one that's less available to you. Android

1:29:44

folks, of course. You got Windows 11

1:29:47

and phone link. You

1:29:49

got choices. Yeah, choices still. Choices. Choices.

1:29:51

I didn't even know this existed, so

1:29:54

I... Yeah, I know. It's too bad

1:29:56

though, because it sounded great. It was

1:29:58

on top of phone link and it

1:30:00

was cross platform. And it's gone. You

1:30:03

didn't even know what you had and

1:30:05

now you lost it. So there you

1:30:07

go. Don't know what you got until

1:30:10

it's gone. We're full of songs today.

1:30:12

Sorry for those of you. I know.

1:30:14

There are people out there that hate

1:30:16

that on podcasts. And for the two

1:30:19

of you, I'm sorry for the rest

1:30:21

of you, you're welcome. All right, let's

1:30:23

get some emails from the folks, from

1:30:26

the listeners, from the audience, from the

1:30:28

Android faithful themselves. Mr. Jason, you've got

1:30:30

the first email. Yes indeed I do

1:30:32

dear Android faithful long-time listener first-time caller

1:30:35

seems like there is an issue with

1:30:37

the play store play pass and premium

1:30:39

titles users on read it are reporting

1:30:42

being able to access games without having

1:30:44

an active play pass subscription I couldn't

1:30:46

test this myself as an active, as

1:30:48

I am an active subscriber. That's what

1:30:51

I discovered. Someone had mentioned monster hunter

1:30:53

stories being affected as well. I had

1:30:55

never purchased the game and sure enough,

1:30:58

the game said I could install it

1:31:00

without purchase. And that's exactly what I

1:31:02

did. The game opens and runs just

1:31:04

fine. What I think is happening is

1:31:07

that any title that is or was

1:31:09

once available on Play Pass, if you

1:31:11

installed it, became linked to your account.

1:31:14

I had previously installed the game, but

1:31:16

never actually played it. It was removed

1:31:18

from Play Pass a few months ago,

1:31:20

if I recall correctly, says he's also

1:31:23

attached a few screenshots showing the Play

1:31:25

Store listing on Google with the expected

1:31:27

$19.99 price tag. Wow, you've got a

1:31:30

pricey free game. The listing is as

1:31:32

it appears in the play store for

1:31:34

me it installed and the game's title

1:31:36

screen. So there we go now we

1:31:39

can see down here we're showing the

1:31:41

screen at the bottom here seeing apps

1:31:43

and you see monster hunter stories for

1:31:46

1999 on the left and then on

1:31:48

the right you see he is the

1:31:50

ability to the screenshot he can install

1:31:52

it. And then you can see here

1:31:55

he after installed it he can play

1:31:57

it and then sure enough the screenshot.

1:31:59

confirming that it loaded. Thank you for

1:32:02

all of the visual proof. Yes. So

1:32:04

and he also, and Jason, I don't

1:32:06

know if you can pull up, actually

1:32:09

he shared the Reddit link. There's a

1:32:11

Reddit thread where everyone was actively talking

1:32:13

about this. I don't know if this

1:32:15

is one of those things where this

1:32:18

is a bug in the system that

1:32:20

hasn't been fixed up yet or not.

1:32:22

But if you go to the subreddit,

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Android gaming, a conversation started about two

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days ago where everyone's talking about it

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and sharing their. and things like that.

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So if you're into gaming and you