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Welcome

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arcade attack.

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A retro

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Welcome listeners to another Arcade Attack

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podcast. I'm Dylan, I'll

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be your host for today

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and I'm with for today and I'm with Adrian.

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I am in the room. Nice. I'm with also here. I

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am back I am back in

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the room. back are back in

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the room. Brilliant. And I have

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have James. You have to

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try this these It's a

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fantastic. fantastic. Here we

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we go guys. Here

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we go. go. So what are

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we going to talk about today? One

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of my favourite movies ever. today? One

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of my favorite These are

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all that. ever. An

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80s of the

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highest flick. She's of the

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80s. all that. One

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of the highest

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grossing movies of the 80s.

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not playing top gun games. Gun. That That

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was so We did, did, four four years

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ago, mate. Yeah. Who was it said, said, hang

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on? Adrian remembered? Because I was Because I was like,

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well, I could look at Top Gun games.

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And I'm like, well, I quite I

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the ones on the ones on I'm like,

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hang on. I'm Hang on, hang on, hang

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on, hang on. like, on. my brains, I I

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could the hang on. I feel like

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I've done this before. And then as

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soon as you said that, was like,

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oh, crap. soon as you said fine, let's choose

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something else. okay fine let's choose the one that

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came to mind. that came to mind was yeah it

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it was easily one my, my it

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still is one of my favorite

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movies. favorite movies I've like it to death

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to death I had it on I had

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it on on VHS I taped it taped it

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off the so and bits bits were edited.

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then when I then when I got

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the actual video with like the James Cameron interviews

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and say it. It was just amazing.

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The Terminator. 1984. So actually, this

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is the 40th. This year marks

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the year. No, no, you're not

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allowed to do that. So actually,

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it was quite a good, I

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was like, oh, this is quite

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good. Oh, and look, they actually

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go back in time to 1984,

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which is 40 years ago. There

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you go. So it all just

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kind of, kind of ties in.

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But let me set the scene.

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The machines rose from the ashes

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of the nuclear fire. Their war

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to exterminate mankind has raised for

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decades, but the final battle would

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not be fought in the future.

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It would be fought here in

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our present tonight. Doo,

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doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, enter naked

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man, in our present 40 years ago.

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Anyway, so for, if you've been living

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under a rock, then here is, in

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a nutshell, in a nutshell, the basic

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premise of the terminator, so Arnold's far

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Seneca. is the Terminator. A cybernetic. We

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use that word cyber, we love the

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way cybernetic. A cybernetic or cyber assassin

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sent back in time from 2029 to

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1984 to kill Sarah Connor, played by

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Linda Hamilton. Why does he want to

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kill? Two of actresses as well to

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be fair. And two other actresses, apparently

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one of whom is her sister right?

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And I'm talking about the other two

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Sarah Connors. Yeah. Oh no those Sarah

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Connors. Oh gosh. The completely unrelated ones

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above her in the phone book. But

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they didn't want to kill those ones.

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Yeah he wanted to actually kill the

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Hamilton one. But yeah. But why didn't

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he want to kill Sarah Connor? Because

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John Connor. will one day, so her

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unborn son will one day defeat Skynet,

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a hostile AI in a post-apocalyptic future.

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And that is it. That's it. I

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like the night you do. a smile

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on his face when he says, poo

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is the book on the phone. It

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doesn't have to be a sinister. It's

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a post-apocalyptic future. So what does John

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do? John basically sends Carl Reese back

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in time to try and protect his

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mum. Carl Reese played by Michael Bean,

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of course. Yes. Aliens fame, mostly. Yes.

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That's basically it. That's it. That's the

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whole plot of the whole movie. How

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would you... Oh, I'll pick on Keith.

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What kind of genre film would you,

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would you pitch, would you pitch and

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hold this out? I've always thought of

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it as a sci-fi horror. Sci-fi horror.

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All right. James, would you agree with

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that? Maybe sci-fi action? No. It's not

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an action film. I don't think. No?

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I disagree with both your answers. Well,

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I think it's more of a thriller,

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isn't it? Kind of in a weird

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way. So we've got a sci-fi horror,

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sci-fi action, a sci-fi thriller. Well, there

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you go. That's the beauty of movies,

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is it not? Decided, deciding vote, considering

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what he's going to tell us whether

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he's ever. It's a bit, kind of

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bee movie-esque, kind of, I'd go with

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horror, because it's like horror off another

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level sometimes. And just the sheer terror

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terror terror terror terror throughout the movie

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throughout the movie. is actually quite a

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filler. Yeah, I mean it is that,

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yeah, I can't say that it's not

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a thriller. I just don't think it's

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an actual thriller. And genuine you have

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never ever even thought of it being

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near a horror at all. I think

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partly because I think of how much

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it scared me when I was a

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child. Yeah, yeah. And so, and then

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I think I've mentioned this before on

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the pot, I have this thing with

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the Terminator and Terminator and Terminator 2,

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sci-fi action. You see I'd put eight

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I'd definitely put alien in in the

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horror kind of category purely because of

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the the whole chess thing and what

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I wouldn't yeah you wouldn't class this

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is a sci-fi horror no I because

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the terminator he was so I mean

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I probably because I saw it young.

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It was so terrifying to me this

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film when I saw it as a

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child. I've never been able to think

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of it as a, it doesn't scare

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me now obviously, but to think of

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it in any other way, the whole,

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and also, sorry, go on, go on,

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like the whole, the way stalks are

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through the film as well. It's very

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like Michael Myers, do you know what

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I mean? It's that stalking element of

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it, but I think, yeah, I find

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this like the horror horror. Yeah, it's

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a new way, a new way for

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me are looking at it, but I

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think you can have a scary film

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without being class as a horror. Because

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you can have a scary drama. We

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could get bogged down in like the

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labels of stuff, can't you know? No,

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I know, I'm just, I'm just interested,

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but it's always very clear to put

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the sci-fi, but I don't just say

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old terminator as a horror film, it's

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not a sci-fi, it's a sci-fi, a

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sci-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-i But if you take the horror

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tag that it means it has to

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be like monsters and, you know, horrific

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murders, like it doesn't, it's subjective though.

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Yeah, it is, it is. Because it

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depends on your own experiences and there

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is one that I will agree with

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because I remember seeing an advert on,

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this must have been, oh, Kriki, this

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must have been, I can only have

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been about five inch, four or five,

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I do remember it. And I remember

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on a TV ad, and it was

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a bit where, I'm jumping ahead here,

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but where the terminator is behind and

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she looks behind. And that was used

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very, very heavily. I remember on one

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of, on like on one of the

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advert loops. And I remember, and that,

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that was like, that scared me. Like,

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obviously, because I just saw this, this

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robot with like red eyes and it

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was like very intimidating and very kind.

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But. I don't know, yeah it's weird.

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I think it just really depends on

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how you see those labels in your

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mind. I think Friller is a good

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one. I mean, yeah. Because again, sci-fi,

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friller. I suppose I used to be

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a, I used to be, it's very

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tense and it is tension, but I

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mean, I used to be a massive

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horror fan. going so I suppose it

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just depends on maybe I slot it

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into a slightly different category I can

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see why though yeah like in terms

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of the yeah I mean we thought

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more about it as we go through

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the film but it's scared to be

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Jesus out of me when I was

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smart oh we agree on that yeah

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We're going to break it down because

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even though the premise is quite basic,

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it's actually quite, I've broken it down

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to three acts. Okay. And each act

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is quite involved in itself and there

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are certain flash points and we can

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discuss each one quickly before we then

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discuss some of its games. Oh yeah,

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games. But yeah, so this famously came

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to James Cameron when he was ill

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in the hotel in Italy. Does anyone

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know he was he was actually working

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on the release of a film he

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had just worked on? Oh, does anyone

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know? He was actually working on the

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release of a film he had just

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worked on? Oh, does anyone know this?

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Oh, I don't remember. I remember the

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whole fever dream in Rome thing while

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it was ill, but I don't know.

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Yeah. Yeah. Parana 2 for Spawning? No?

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I wouldn't bring him, but I wouldn't.

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I'm not going to take myself just

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didn't know that. Parana 2. Well apparently

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best one. Parana 1. Apparently not Parana

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3D. But yeah, apparently Parana 1 was

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relative. That was like a late 70s

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movie I think and that was relatively

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well received. And then he was the

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director of the second one, but he

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was hold up in this hotel room.

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and some crazy fever dream this has

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all come to him that's mad i

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haven't had a good idea in any

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of my favorite dreams no this is

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it i didn't come up with the

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next terminator i'm not some massive millionaire

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director now so the best i can

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do is a Bruce Springsteen video game

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so i mean that's pretty good you

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came up with it like instantly after

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hearing the song yeah but it ain't

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no terminate let's be honest so the

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movie so the act so the act

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so the act so this is how

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i broke I would classify as the

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arrival of terminator and soldier up until

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the police station scene. Yeah. Third income.

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And then Act Two would be from

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the police station to when she learns

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about race and they have a little

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kind of hotel. Doo, doo. And then

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Act 3 then, Act 3 goes on

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to the jazz version. Oh, I know

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it was. It was a rhetorical question.

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Carry on. Act 3 is then, obviously,

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then the final kind of chase from

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that point when the terminator knows there's

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a there in the motel and then

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it kind of goes a little bit

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crazy. But yeah, so Act 1. What

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I really love about this movie and

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like even watching it as a kid

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was just how dirty and dark it

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felt and it felt future even when

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they've got that bit in the future

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where you can see the skulls getting

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crushed and you know but even when

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they're in LA it felt futuristic like

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when like Michael Bean comes in and

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he's like oh yeah and he's like

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trying to get clothes and he's trying

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to like run away from the police

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and he's like why yeah What year?

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You know, what's the date? What's the

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date? What's the date? What do you

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mean? It's the date of the police

11:17

officer when you ask him what the

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date is? May, fifth or something as

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well? No, I know, yeah, or something,

11:24

yeah. May. I didn't watch the movie

11:26

last night. But yeah, so those even

11:28

those kind of initial chase scenes with

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when he's in the in the shopping

11:33

center and he's getting all these bits

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It's just oh, it's just beautiful. So

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then you think oh, what's this guy's

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story? Okay, fair enough. Then another guy

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comes in he's a bit more buff.

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Okay, he's he's also naked. All right.

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Oh, he needs to get some clothes.

11:49

Okay. Hang on he's getting some close

11:52

on those guys Bill Paxton, nothing clean,

11:54

right? And you're like, hang on. So

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this guy just got stabbed and he's

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just basically just killed him all and

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taken this guy's clothes and like, what

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is going on? Seriously, what's going on?

12:05

And then, and then, you know, they're

12:08

all looking for Sarah Connor in the

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phone book. You know, oh, what special

12:12

about Sarah Connor? You know, it's not

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even really clear who's the villain and

12:17

once, you know? I mean, obviously, what

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are you feeling? How are you feeling?

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Where's the, like, before you knew what

12:24

was going on, where did your mind

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actually go? Because I thought that was

12:29

really clever. When they both arrive and

12:31

they're both kind of doing the same

12:33

thing. Up and clear, like, you know,

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it's not even really clear who's the

12:38

villain and once, you know? I mean,

12:40

obviously, I mean, right there. You're like,

12:42

well, there's no patterns here. Yeah, that's

12:45

not a very good thing to do.

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You still don't know, though, do you?

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Because you don't get given a lot

12:52

of direction as to who, if there

12:54

even is a bad guy or if

12:56

there's a good guy or even what

12:59

they're doing. Like, what is like, because

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I suppose your brain's racing to try

13:03

and make sense of what you're seeing.

13:06

And you're like, where are you from?

13:08

Yeah, it's just, I think you're flounder

13:10

in a bit, aren't you? Yeah, like,

13:12

what is going on? Makes sense of

13:15

it. But that's the thing, up until,

13:17

like, because she feels she's getting stalked,

13:19

you know, we're seeing with the other

13:22

Sarah Connors, there's the bit where, I

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love the bit where Arne's, he's like,

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he has to get a car, but

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when he smashes through the window and

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he does all that bit, and he

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does all that bit, all that bit,

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apparently, James Cameron literally just went, Annie,

13:38

can you go over there to that

13:40

car and did it for real? Yeah,

13:43

he actually did that for real. Yeah,

13:45

that's true story. Yeah, that is mad.

13:47

That is absolutely. Yeah, don't mind a

13:49

studio pick now. Don't mind about that.

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I think one of the that make

13:54

helps it and feel futuristic as well

13:56

as because again this if you like

13:59

the making of stuff because they didn't

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have a big budget they had to

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do a lot of the shooting at

14:06

night and that always helps like with

14:08

the neon signs and that kind of

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stuff yeah that all helps again yeah

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also in the first act you meet

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the true villain of this film the

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true villain of Terminator Who's the proof

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of? The kid that pulls the ice

14:22

cream into Sarah Connor's uniform. Oh my

14:24

god. She's having a bad day. And

14:26

then he just sits there with a

14:29

little smirk on his face and just

14:31

goes, look. But then that guy's like,

14:33

hey kid, I should give you the

14:36

tip. That guy shouldn't. Yeah, both of

14:38

you are going to be conscripted into

14:40

resistance. I wouldn't worry about it. True

14:43

villain. That kid, yeah, he needs to

14:45

be sent to military school or something.

14:47

Yeah and then you got that and

14:50

then but then also the terminator is

14:52

he needs some artillery he needs some

14:54

gun shop so is this before he

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goes hunting the cesarers it is this

14:59

is before the caira so yes the

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gun shop yes yeah so he's like

15:03

uzy nine millimeter 12 game order loader

15:06

Plasmowatt in the far, the waltz range,

15:08

what's the rival to the walt range.

15:10

What's the saga? What's the saga mensa?

15:13

The Sega lightphasa. But it's just beautiful.

15:15

The Sega minutes are with binocular attachment.

15:17

The snares. It's got to be three

15:20

feet long. The super scope. Yeah. But

15:22

then I guess a little bit in

15:24

the techno. Yeah. As obviously had a

15:27

little chair with Jason Bradbury about this.

15:29

I was like, technoa, techno on, come

15:31

on, come on, techno on. Well, you

15:33

forgot what name it was, so that's

15:36

a kind of like, correct? Yeah, come

15:38

on, Chuck, no on. It's not like

15:40

the pine pot. Pine pot, yeah. I

15:43

get those two mixed up all the

15:45

time. So, so yeah, so they're in

15:47

technoa, she literally thinks she's being stalked.

15:50

She thinks Michael Bean is the one

15:52

who's gonna kill her. and she's already

15:54

finding a police, hasn't she? Yeah, and

15:57

then literally, Arnie just steps up to

15:59

a book, that one with the laser,

16:01

the laser sight, bang on four heads.

16:04

So you got, so everything goes slow

16:06

motion. And you got all the people

16:08

doing, he's dancing with the piano key

16:10

neck tires. Yeah, super slow more. It's

16:13

like, you got me burned. You said

16:15

you couldn't dance. That was a really

16:17

good little dance, I was interested in.

16:20

Yeah. And he's about to pull the

16:22

trigger and then guess who comes to

16:24

the rescuer? Boom! Catching saw an off,

16:27

yeah! Bam, bam, bam, out of the

16:29

window he goes and then it all

16:31

just kicks off. People are getting killed

16:34

left right and center. They somehow get

16:36

out of there. I mean that for

16:38

me was like amazing. Yeah, yeah. Just

16:41

so intense. Well, because yeah, because there's

16:43

a big slow build. It's not a

16:45

long film, but that's where the horror

16:47

kind of thing, there's a slow build

16:50

up to it. Yeah. And then it's

16:52

like boom, this quick burst of action.

16:54

Yeah, it's all just so well done

16:57

and I pay severe and it just

16:59

kind of ramps up exactly the right

17:01

moment. Well, just before to set it

17:04

all up and to kind of like

17:06

make it a bit, the word I've

17:08

written down is foreboding. It just feels

17:11

you're on edge the whole time, aren't

17:13

you? You're a little bit kind of

17:15

like, okay. You're getting to put together

17:17

what's happening as well. Yeah, you're just

17:20

nervous, aren't you for her? But it's

17:22

the bit when she obviously her date

17:24

cancels on it, didn't she? Sarah's date,

17:27

absolute douche, you know, why would you

17:29

do that? And she decides to go

17:31

out while her kind of girlfriend as

17:34

it were just stays behind and has

17:36

a bit of you know, yeah. With

17:38

what's his face from Top Gun? Yes,

17:41

is Slider, who is he in Top

17:43

Gun? Yeah, Slider, yeah, yeah. And the

17:45

bit when she goes out into the,

17:48

uh, out the front door is it

17:50

where of the apartment yeah and then

17:52

she's into the car park the underground

17:54

car park and there's that camera view

17:57

which I always find it's just it's

17:59

so effective it's just just like a

18:01

slightly shaking camera view down each end

18:04

of the parking lot. Yeah. And there's

18:06

nothing going on. There's no one moving,

18:08

but you've just got that. Yeah. And

18:11

it's like, and you know she's in

18:13

trouble. But then obviously Terminator thinks that

18:16

Sarah Connor is at home and poor

18:18

Ginger and Matt gets. Oh, Matt goes

18:20

for it though. He's like, Matt goes

18:22

for it. He does. He bust you

18:24

up, man. He does. He does it

18:26

to Mr. T. He's like, he looks

18:28

like a blow who can handle himself.

18:31

Yeah, he looks like with it. And

18:33

he just gets at. absolutely eviscerated. Yeah,

18:35

he doesn't know that he's up against

18:37

a cyborg. I mean you wouldn't, would

18:39

you? No, but you wouldn't see that

18:41

coming. Hello, look at the size of

18:43

him! Right, only as a person with

18:46

no. Yeah, I would probably go. Yeah,

18:48

here's the keys. I'll see you later.

18:50

And then the great moments before that

18:52

when he's when he's obviously going through

18:54

the phone book, when he goes to

18:56

that first woman. Yeah, now this is,

18:58

and this is one of the bits

19:01

that's always stayed in my head and

19:03

it did when I was a kid.

19:05

And for some reason, it's so weird.

19:07

It's such an odd shop, but it

19:09

always sort of just scared me. When

19:11

he smashed the window in. Yeah. That

19:13

is like burned into my brain a

19:16

bit and then he gets out and

19:18

obviously just knocks on it on this

19:20

nice woman and she's like hello and

19:22

he just like no emotion on his

19:24

face he just pushed no it's not

19:26

angle it just pushes the door open

19:28

it's just like it's just a process

19:30

yeah exactly that's when you see the

19:33

machine yeah and again oh the way

19:35

Arnold plays it it's just so good

19:37

yeah it's ridiculously good So then it

19:39

kind of skips on a bit. So

19:41

then they've got the chase, they've got

19:43

the first of many chases and they've

19:45

kind of realizing that she's kind of

19:48

looking at this going, something must be

19:50

clicking like this guy isn't right. Like

19:52

he's basically like put his hand through

19:54

the wind screen, it's like he's on

19:56

fire a little bit, you know, and

19:58

he's still coming. It's like, oh, it's

20:00

going on. So it kind of gets

20:03

to a point where got the chase

20:05

and then the car goes into the

20:07

wall doesn't it and then you think

20:09

okay right car reas you got to

20:11

get away now you guys got to

20:13

get away oh car work started oh

20:15

it's going to be this and he's

20:18

like he's literally gone about to blow

20:20

away all of the policemen that he

20:22

can and then Sarah very rightly stopping

20:24

from the doing it. Yeah, they'd have

20:26

shot him up getting down and helping.

20:28

Expecting to see like, well, Reese is

20:30

expecting to see the Terminator in the

20:33

other car. Gone. Oh, he gone. They're

20:35

in trouble. He's gone. So prior to

20:37

that, he tries to explain it all

20:39

to her, doesn't he? He does. And

20:41

he gets bitten in the hand. He

20:43

gets bitter and heads. Terminators don't feel

20:45

pain. But I do. He handles that

20:48

really quite well. He does. Because he

20:50

draws a lot of worse. Yeah, that's

20:52

very true. Are we not surprised though

20:54

that the Terminator didn't just get out

20:56

the car and make a snatch for

20:58

Sarah? Well, this is the thing because

21:00

he's got to patch himself up as

21:03

well. He does after that. So I

21:05

do... No, no, that's off. He comes

21:07

off the bike. That's after he comes

21:09

off the bike, not the car crash.

21:11

No, when he comes off the bike,

21:13

he comes off the truck, he gets

21:15

in the truck, he goes straight into

21:18

the truck. Oh, yes, that's when he's

21:20

got him up with his shotgun and

21:22

then cracks in the wall. So there's

21:24

so many damn chases you come up

21:26

with him. Yeah, he's got to fix

21:28

himself up because he's armed, he's like,

21:30

he's got to do anything with his

21:33

eye. One of that. bit so you

21:35

talk about scenes that you remember when

21:37

from your kid yeah it was like

21:39

that bit where he basically takes a

21:41

scalpel yeah and even though now it's

21:43

clearly like fake animatonic head of awny

21:45

but then when you were looking at

21:48

it you were like oh my word

21:50

and when the eyes move in and

21:52

it's all like one in my family

21:54

that finds that satisfied yeah when he

21:56

cuts it out and he does that

21:58

and he and he does this oh

22:00

this is so weird but then that's

22:02

when he puts the shades on yeah

22:05

proper yeah but he goes around with

22:07

the scale point he does that last

22:09

and he goes and it like peals

22:11

yeah I'm just weird after this after

22:13

this just little details as well you

22:15

know after he blows him out of

22:17

the window in the club and he's

22:20

smoking and everything I don't think his

22:22

eyebrows are burnt on yeah yeah he

22:24

looks that he looked that much scarier

22:26

and not human and then with a

22:28

bit when he's driving the police car

22:30

and he's doing that thing with his

22:32

eyes where his eyes move first and

22:35

then he turns his head yeah the

22:37

whole machine thing he's so good at

22:39

doing that kind of robotic movements and

22:41

I like the arm bit as well

22:43

and that's always been like a tattoo

22:45

idea isn't it people have done it

22:47

oh yeah they think you can tattoo

22:50

the bit with the bit with the

22:52

yeah in your wrist So Act one

22:54

then, until the police station, any other

22:56

thoughts about Act one before I move

22:58

on to the police station bit? I

23:00

think we've covered most things, haven't we?

23:02

Most key points, anyway. It's a great

23:05

start, great start on a movie, so

23:07

think, oh she's in the police station.

23:09

They're like, okay, they're interrogating reason. he's

23:11

they all think they all think crazy

23:13

yeah there's no there's no there's not

23:15

even a single like entertainment of the

23:17

fact that that he might be saying

23:20

something that could be deemed as real

23:22

like everybody's just like yeah yeah yeah

23:24

this is great you have to have

23:26

sympathy for the police how many nutters

23:28

do you think they deal with on

23:30

a daily basis absolutely none that can

23:32

recite sort of No, no, no, no.

23:35

But when they're talking about time-travelling stuff,

23:37

he's got... Lawrence Hendrickson's, um, character. He

23:39

could make a, I could make a

23:41

bookout of this guy. Yeah, definitely. Shut

23:43

up! Yeah. And obviously this is where

23:45

we meet, oh, what's his name, the

23:47

psychiatrist who's obviously in the scene? Doctor,

23:50

Doctor, Silverman. Oh, and he's in the

23:52

sequel. He's so slimy. Hororable man. He's

23:54

horrible man. He's horrible man. So she's

23:56

like, yeah, he's, he's crazy. And he

23:58

says something like, what does he say?

24:00

He's like, he's totally alone. But he's

24:02

not alone. Guys. And then something's like,

24:05

something's kicking off and they're like, oh,

24:07

it's okay. And he's like, yeah. main

24:09

police man is like, oh, we got

24:11

30 cups in this building or something.

24:13

They're all dead now, mate. They're all

24:15

dead because basically, Arnie took a look

24:17

at this, took a look at the

24:20

desk. And he said, he said, Give

24:22

me a minute. No, he did. He

24:24

said, see you a little bit. I'll

24:26

be back. Apparently, Artie thought he should

24:28

have said, I will be back, but

24:30

James Cameron said, no. It sounds good

24:32

now when he said, oh, contractional. Yeah,

24:34

he actually, he actually like almost refused

24:37

to say it because, and James Cameron

24:39

was like, no, you're going to say,

24:41

no, you're going to say, I, I

24:43

will be back. And because he wanted

24:45

to do it like a, obviously in

24:47

the machine style, like in the, but

24:49

James Cameron's like, no, you're going to

24:52

say it, like, thankfully he did, because

24:54

it's, I mean, the line's iconic today,

24:56

don't it? It is iconic, everyone's, everyone's

24:58

used it now in everything. And it

25:00

still does. Yeah, so he comes back,

25:02

drives a car through the front of

25:04

the police station, easy access, and then

25:07

basically takes out the whole police station.

25:09

Thankfully, he's somehow like Jimmy's his way

25:11

out of the handcuffs. Yeah. And yeah,

25:13

he manages to get Sarah out of

25:15

there. The guy just goes, no, gets

25:17

here, she's making a statement. All

25:20

right mate! All right. Making a statement.

25:22

But that is pretty, that's pretty crazy.

25:24

Yeah, the police station, yeah. The police

25:26

station, and it is like one of

25:28

my favourite action sequences in any movie.

25:31

Just for how well it's done, and

25:33

just for how like, how should you,

25:35

who does annoy me though? You know

25:37

when the guy on the shotness to

25:39

turn around? Sure you just shoot with

25:42

the back. Just shoot with the back.

25:44

Hey! Just

25:46

shoot him in the back. I don't

25:48

know whether the civilian M16s, or it's

25:50

an M4, I can't remember, but they're

25:53

like fully fledged assault rifles. These things

25:55

are fully fledged assault rifles with like

25:57

five and a half inch ammunition in

25:59

I mean, you take out of anything

26:02

with that and he just basically like,

26:04

ugh, turns around with his 12-page auto

26:06

loader. Yeah. So they managed to escape.

26:08

Yeah. Somehow, again. She is now pretty

26:11

much on board now with the whole

26:13

Terminator thing. And she wants to know

26:15

more about Reese's life and he's going

26:17

on about how he's a soldier and

26:20

stuff and then it kind of... We

26:22

get flashbacks now. Get the flashbacks? Oh,

26:24

flashed forwards. Flash of God. This is

26:26

it. Yeah. Flash forwards to his... Yeah.

26:28

Flash forwards to his... And like, you

26:31

know, he's in the, he's in like

26:33

the bunker and stuff. In the future.

26:35

You've got like all that, the fires

26:37

and the TV sets and everything, it's

26:40

all very disturbing. You feel... It's horrible.

26:42

Yeah. It's horrible is what it is.

26:44

And you talk about, we talk about,

26:46

you know, and I've put down the

26:49

words, chilling realism. Because it is, it

26:51

feels real. Right. And again, I reckon,

26:53

because of the, again, the night shooting,

26:55

the low budget, you know, and it

26:58

was all down to the location, the

27:00

acting, the real world stuff. Couldn't just

27:02

fill in the blanks with syndrome and

27:04

all that sort of stuff. Yeah, and

27:06

that bit when they go to the

27:09

bunker effectively and you've got the dogs

27:11

and you've got people like dressed up

27:13

in rags and and you've got just

27:15

just stuff burnt out like you say.

27:18

The humans are losing man. Yeah. And

27:20

they just, those two, there must be

27:22

a mother and a daughter I'm shooting

27:24

and they're just sitting there watching a

27:27

burning TV. Yeah, it's like a cat.

27:29

Trust him to show orders he was

27:31

a terrible cat. Yeah. Oh God. But

27:33

that just, I mean, to be honest,

27:36

that sends most people over here. And

27:38

that's when you see the terminator is

27:40

infiltrating their bunkers as well. Yeah, and

27:42

then do, do, do, do, do, do,

27:44

do, do. Yeah. Fun fact. those is

27:47

Franco Colombo, one of Arnold's best friends.

27:49

Yeah, yeah, I think I knew that

27:51

from his bodybuilder days. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:53

Sweet. Yeah, that's just as scary as

27:56

well, is when, because you've got the

27:58

red eyes again as well, isn't he?

28:00

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've always wondered,

28:02

like, but they've got the dogs and

28:05

they've got the steel door and everything,

28:07

like. How like, because he came in

28:09

with a group, because they were hard,

28:11

yeah, because he goes on about the

28:14

ones that with the human skin, the

28:16

dogs, they had the 600 series, which

28:18

was a rubber skin. Yeah, those are

28:20

easy. And then the 101s were the,

28:22

um, were the ones with the actual

28:25

organic skin, brat breath and everything. But

28:27

they had the dogs didn't they so

28:29

the dogs didn't tell the difference? So

28:31

the dogs in that one got to

28:34

it late I know yeah And by

28:36

the time he like whips is like

28:38

yeah Because he was at the back

28:40

of like a group of four. Yeah,

28:43

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

28:45

maybe like maybe like he just kind

28:47

of like The scent got lost or

28:49

whatever, but that man, that's scary and

28:52

that weapon's awful. Yes. That was the

28:54

plasma phaser and the saiga blight phaser.

28:56

Phaes, phaasporizing a 41 range. Only one

28:58

pound. Just what you see, yeah. Sorry

29:00

for the gun owner shop, do you?

29:03

You can't do that. Wrong. Yeah. So,

29:05

anyway, Reese basically knows that the terminator

29:07

is not going to stop. He absolutely

29:09

will not stop ever. Until you are

29:12

dead. That's the line. That's the line.

29:14

They're cooking up a little and he's

29:16

like, oh, she's like, well, what's for

29:18

dinner? Plastique. You'll be careful, you've got

29:21

to put the old fuses on and

29:23

you've got to tie them all up

29:25

real nice. He's like, don't get me

29:27

on the screen. He's like showing his

29:30

maniiness when he's like tying them up.

29:32

I was like, oh, I got her.

29:34

No, she tightens it up and then

29:36

he takes it off and goes, oh.

29:38

So it gets to the point and

29:41

then he's like, you I really

29:43

real heart to heart.

29:45

he's like, know.

29:47

She sees all his

29:50

scars, two She's like,

29:52

so much pain.

29:54

So much pain. like,

29:56

like, and he's like,

29:59

I came across

30:01

time for you there.

30:03

I had a

30:05

photo of you. Yeah.

30:08

I did have that

30:10

photo, for know. It

30:12

was a lovely, a

30:14

photo of you. Yeah, he did really

30:17

think there's a connection between those two actresses

30:19

and their think you and I think he's a great

30:21

actor as well personally. I think it's so got

30:23

his due in Hollywood I think he could have

30:25

been a real leading man He

30:27

between aliens. Yeah, Yeah, a I'm

30:29

a fan. I fan. I think he's

30:31

really good. good. quite a raw actor.

30:34

He put everything on that yeah, we we

30:36

love Yeah. Solid guy. You can see he's can through you

30:38

can see he's been through the Not just as

30:40

well. Not just scars, you you can see

30:42

up here as well, well. the way

30:44

he responds to things and the way

30:46

he tries, to trying to be he's trying to be

30:48

but at the same time, the same time,

30:50

in the future is just, in the his

30:52

first, I mean, if you have to

30:54

imagine him, he grew up up. war. Well,

30:56

there's no room for kind of, kind of,

30:58

you know, being a child during that. Soft

31:00

side, there? So So speak. speak. But I

31:02

think, doesn't she she says, what are the

31:04

women like are in the, in the future?

31:06

the, in the, in the future, the good. Angling for Have you

31:08

got a girlfriend? a And he's

31:10

like, he's never. And she's like, like, oh,

31:13

right. okay. So, and and then he

31:15

basically says, I think that, that, yeah, like,

31:17

the only the only reason I came

31:19

back was I volunteered. was it. that

31:21

was it. Yeah, I volunteered, yeah. Oh. kind of

31:23

didn't, because John kind of knew. John kind

31:26

of of and kind of sent it starts

31:28

to mess with your head And I

31:30

loop thing with of doesn't really quite

31:32

make sense. yeah, we kind of

31:34

go with it. that kind then, yeah,

31:36

then she quite make sense, but on, let's

31:38

let's not be about the with it. Yeah.

31:40

And then intended. she shags then you get

31:42

the really on, let's not be about the bush, pun

31:45

not intended. don't you ever grip the

31:47

sheet with you with the Mrs.

31:49

Don't sheet We didn't get sound

31:51

effects. Don't you just had the music. We

31:53

didn't Sorry. get sound

31:55

effects. We the

31:58

sound of the music. Sorry.

32:00

a grip the sheet that's that's

32:02

a sheet some kind of euphemism

32:04

so yeah so like Reese makes

32:06

his deposit and then and then

32:08

you know Titans is piped yeah

32:10

why they're all getting kind of

32:12

like why they're all kind of

32:14

getting dressed and stuff then like

32:17

Sarah thinks it's a good idea

32:19

to give her mama call so

32:21

she gives a mama call Which

32:23

is kind of like, you know,

32:25

just want to reassure her that

32:27

she's okay and stuff, but... spoiler

32:29

alert! Mom's dead. She's talking to

32:31

the Terminator. Terminator can imitate anyone's

32:33

voice. Now this is a good

32:35

thing to be able to do.

32:37

Why did he tell her? He

32:39

can do that. He might

32:42

not know no. Maybe they might

32:44

not know. They might not know

32:46

everything. This was the newest. This

32:48

was the newest iteration of the

32:50

Terminator, right? T1,000 was just a

32:52

mere blink of the eye, like,

32:54

you know, miles away, right? So

32:57

the T1-1. This is it. You

32:59

know, he didn't know that he

33:01

could do that. Anyway, so boom,

33:03

all that possibility. So yeah. So

33:05

then he goes, give me your

33:07

address there. Give me your address

33:09

there. Give me your address there.

33:11

And then, oh, a dog's barking.

33:13

Oh, the dog. Had to be

33:15

a shepherd as well, didn't it?

33:18

Why did dogs just randomly bark?

33:20

Oh crap. Yeah. It can probably

33:22

smell a metal endoskeleton. Endoskeleton is

33:24

the inner one, right? The endoskeleton.

33:26

Anyway, so boom, all kicks off

33:28

again. And then, yes. So then

33:30

we're into act. Three of the

33:32

movie. Time and eight is after

33:34

them on Keith's favorite mode of

33:37

transport. It's a very cool, 1980s

33:39

Honda motorcycle of some kind. Holy

33:41

moly, how cool is that? Very

33:43

cool. Where did you get that?

33:45

Very cool. Who knows? Who knows?

33:47

Who knows? Who cares? It's very

33:49

cool though. It's bad ass. Oh

33:51

man, he just looks so cool.

33:53

There in the truck. Yeah. There

33:56

in the truck. And then yeah,

33:58

he's going after him. But the

34:00

bombs that they were quite nicely

34:02

doing before. They're already. they get

34:04

lit, ooh, cut, you know, Reese's

34:06

lobbing them, ooh, adds a bit

34:08

of that. One almost hit him,

34:10

boosh, one, he goes to lob

34:12

another one, rata, ta, ta, ta,

34:14

takes a shot, shots. So Paul

34:17

Reese is already injured. He's already

34:19

injured and the terminator's even got

34:21

the scratch on him. But... Keith?

34:23

Yeah, I always like look at

34:25

you. Hello. So, but they do

34:27

get one up on the terminator,

34:29

don't they do? The Lori? The

34:31

Lori? Yeah, the Lori runs him

34:33

over. Yeah. And he's down. He's

34:36

down. He's down, he's crushed. He's

34:38

done man. Oh, there's no way.

34:40

Oh, yeah, he's not getting up

34:42

from that. No, he's not getting

34:44

up from that. No, he's getting

34:46

up. Absolutely, he goes all the

34:48

way over the top of him.

34:50

Pancake, all the way over the

34:52

top of him. He's right. No,

34:54

neither of the guys in the

34:57

lorry. No, could either. Could either.

34:59

It's actually very nice for him,

35:01

just saying, get out. Isn't it

35:03

just? rather than you. It probably

35:05

just saves him time because if

35:07

he shoots him he has to

35:09

then move the body. Through that,

35:11

true. If he just gets out,

35:13

he can just move over, yeah.

35:16

He's doing everything in the most

35:18

efficient way. The most efficient way.

35:20

Yeah. So, the horror levels are

35:22

high guys. Horror levels are high.

35:24

Yeah. Well, I'm all over the

35:26

place. Well, the first time I've

35:28

seen this movie. I don't even

35:30

know what's happening. and then crashed

35:32

the truck as well, haven't they?

35:35

So, they crashed the truck, they're

35:37

on foot, they're running on the

35:39

streets, this is, this is, it's

35:41

all kind of kicking off. But

35:43

thankfully, Kyle takes one of his

35:45

little, has little, he's very sneaky

35:47

with this, puts it in the,

35:49

some kind of tailpipe thing that's

35:51

in the back of the, yes.

35:53

I don't know what that's for,

35:56

I don't think it really exists.

35:58

Slides it in, yeah, jumps into

36:00

a dumpster because apparently that's the

36:02

best thing to, that's the best

36:04

thing to, to kind of, you

36:06

know, use as a fireproof. It

36:08

works for you down in Jones,

36:10

isn't it? It's be free. You

36:12

asked, you said that, I was

36:15

gonna say, you could have jumped,

36:17

just jumped in a fridge. Car

36:19

boom, Lori goes on fire. the

36:21

terminator. They fly and yeah, come

36:23

on. They did it. We win

36:25

it. We've been with them the

36:27

whole time and they just gonna

36:29

do it. Happy, happy, happy days.

36:31

Oh, beautiful. They're hugging. They're hugging

36:33

it out. Yeah. Some of it's

36:36

coming out of the fire guys.

36:38

Something's coming out of the fire.

36:40

No more skin. Oh, there's no

36:42

more skin. No more honey. No

36:44

more. There's something metal it's moving.

36:46

It's looking at. It's got red

36:48

eyes. Oh, crap. This is it.

36:50

She's screaming. Reese knows. We got

36:52

to get out of here. She's

36:55

screaming. She's screaming. She's screaming. So

36:57

they're going straight and boom. And

36:59

I think he actually picks up

37:01

a poll as well doesn't he?

37:03

Because you've got to have something

37:05

to hit him with or something.

37:07

You know, I was going to

37:09

do. It's a good plan. It

37:11

worked pretty well originally. Yeah, it

37:14

did. I think it kind of

37:16

put him off. They were like

37:18

doing it. But no, turn around

37:20

the corner. Oh, there he is.

37:22

So then, you know, Reese's got

37:24

giving the old one too. He's

37:26

got to give him a bit

37:28

of a snack. Little squishy man.

37:30

He doesn't, he gets a steel

37:32

pole and he knocks that, he

37:35

doesn't quite dislodge the head. No,

37:37

he gives him three for bloody

37:39

good shots. But this is it

37:41

like the way the Terminator like

37:43

turns around. He's like not today,

37:45

Shawman. This was like, back of

37:47

the hand. That's the thing as

37:49

well, with the nature of it

37:51

being like a skeletal face, it

37:54

looks like it's grinning as well.

37:56

Yeah. It's so, the horror, the

37:58

horror, it's the horror kind of

38:00

horror kind of element. Ora. Yeah.

38:02

No. It's bad. No. No. Still

38:04

subjective. But hey, we'll get there.

38:06

But no, I love us. Just

38:08

before where he's dragging, he's got,

38:10

obviously his legs injured and he's

38:12

dragging himself towards the door. The

38:15

screen too long. Yeah. But I

38:17

love the backander because it's so

38:19

schoolboy. Yeah, he just kind of

38:21

slaps him down, yeah. You, it's

38:23

like, it's such a schoolboy move,

38:25

like, he doesn't, like, he doesn't

38:27

kind of do like a robotic,

38:29

like hammer blow, he just literally

38:31

kind of cast him off, you

38:34

know. This is it, because if

38:36

the terminate, because the terminate is

38:38

so transfixed on killing Seracona, it's

38:40

just like, one more little buck.

38:42

Oh, how did that get it?

38:44

Where are you keeping that? This

38:46

is the one extra tight one.

38:48

This is the extra tight one.

38:52

gives it a light, sticks it in

38:54

its ribcage, rolls away, capoom! Terminator is

38:56

dead. The terminator is finally dead. Oh,

38:58

relief. Unfortunately, there's loads of things in

39:00

Sarah's leg. She has still out. Oh,

39:03

oh yeah. Do that with some big

39:05

shods. Yeah, the shod comes out. Ouch.

39:07

Ooh. Looks like some kind of metal

39:09

bolt assembly or whatever is sticking over.

39:11

Yeah. So she's like, oh, ripped that

39:13

out. And then, but she checks on

39:15

Reese on Reese. Sad moment. He is

39:17

dead. He is dead. He is dead.

39:19

He is dead. Unfortunately he has gone.

39:22

But he's done his job. He's done

39:24

his job. The Terminator is dead. No,

39:26

no, it's not. Then all the screechy

39:28

music comes on. She is screaming. Her

39:30

legs aren't working right because they've been

39:32

like almost alone. They just have to

39:34

go. Yeah, yeah. And they're crawling and

39:36

crawling and crawling. She somehow gets through

39:38

a press. And she somehow knows what

39:41

button to press, which always kind of

39:43

like doing my head. There's three parts,

39:45

but she looks just by feel. Just

39:47

by feel. And then it comes and

39:49

she's you're terminated fucker I love those

39:51

I slowly yeah oh that whole bit

39:53

man when they're crawling through the machines

39:55

though as well that's the promo bit

39:57

right there that's the film is where

40:00

she's crawling through and she looked back

40:02

yeah she looks back he's like they

40:04

see the face that's the bit that

40:06

I remember from when they used on

40:08

the TV part okay see that bit

40:10

though when they're crawling through and like

40:12

even when she's just crawling through the

40:14

press the other big finger bank closed

40:16

spaces yeah so scary films for me

40:18

a films for me a films like

40:21

the descent where they're just slunking Who

40:23

does that? And they're going through these

40:25

gaps that are like that big. Oh

40:27

God. So it's like that. And then

40:29

she'll see she gets through and the

40:31

grate comes down, but it's weak in

40:33

his arm. Yeah. Yeah, good sound effect.

40:35

Yeah. I think that's it actually. Something

40:37

like that. But this is what the

40:40

Terminator does. It's programmed. It's using it

40:42

every last bit of energy it has

40:44

that just try and she finally just

40:46

crushes it. And it's joo. And then

40:48

that is game over. That is game

40:50

over. I like to bore everyone with

40:52

this behind-the-scenes thing as well. I think

40:54

I told my wife about 12 times,

40:56

but you know the bit at the

40:59

very end when his head's getting crushed

41:01

and then the light goes out and

41:03

there's like smoke. There's literally someone to

41:05

the side of the camera. With a

41:07

cigarette. Yeah. This is it, man, this

41:09

is the magic of me. Yeah, magic

41:11

of us tomorrow. And then it, then

41:13

we fast forward a few months later,

41:15

and a pregnant Sarah is traveling through

41:17

Mexico. She's recording lots of tapes. She

41:20

has lovely, she's got this nice little

41:22

recorder and it's a nice little microphone

41:24

and she's, she's doing a podcast, essentially.

41:26

To John, the personal podcast. Yeah. And

41:28

then a boy just takes a random

41:30

photo of her. And then he says

41:32

something in Spanish. And she asked the

41:34

man. Oh, the same. He says, you

41:36

know, he says, I forgot. just a

41:39

shame that he took a picture and

41:41

unless you buy them in trouble, if

41:43

you don't give him five dollars, his

41:45

father will beat him. Like whoa, straight

41:47

father. Anyway, she was like good hustle.

41:49

That's it. Yeah, Quattro, I think she's

41:51

in the four. Okay. Quattro. C. C.

41:53

C. C. C. C. C. She's also

41:55

very smartly got a big German Shepherd

41:58

Dog with her as well. Just in

42:00

case you can allow us any potential

42:02

terminators. She can sniff them out. Good

42:04

shout. They're more of the style of

42:06

the show than anybody else, I think.

42:08

There's like three sets of shepherds in

42:10

this room. Yeah, I think the petrol

42:12

is about 40 cents as well when

42:14

a little later. That's the biggest. business

42:16

guy over here looking at the federal

42:19

prices. The boy shouts something in Spanish

42:21

again and she's like, he points to

42:23

the distant clouds. Yeah, and then she's

42:25

like, what is he? And then a

42:27

guy says, he said, there's a storm

42:29

coming and then she says, I know.

42:31

Do, do, do, do, do, do, do,

42:33

do, do, and then she drives off

42:35

into the distance. Oh, best, one of

42:38

the best endings of a movie ever,

42:40

and quite frankly, one of the greatest

42:42

movies ever made. Yep. Am I wrong?

42:44

No, you're not wrong. No, you're not

42:46

wrong. No, no, no, no lies detected.

42:48

My question I think was partly addressed

42:50

and this is going to talk about

42:52

Stevie is this a logic logic in

42:54

the film okay well the end oh

42:57

right all right so she's basically pulled

42:59

up to the gas station okay what

43:01

are we to assume has happened between

43:03

the computer factory and Mexico so it

43:05

ended up in that situation she's been

43:07

in the hospital for a bit because

43:09

I like yeah she would have been

43:11

in hospital yeah Hold on, are we

43:13

to assume, so there's two possibilities in

43:16

my mind. One is that she's basically

43:18

like an innocent kidnapping victim. Oh, well

43:20

you mean how the things played out

43:22

with the police and what happened? Because

43:24

surely it's like at some juncture somewhere

43:26

along the line, she's obviously been involved.

43:28

you know some sort of criminal activity

43:30

as a shit or not has she?

43:32

No she basically had to be patched

43:34

up in the hospital was one obviously

43:37

because of everything. So she'd been treated

43:39

as the victim and also then everything

43:41

that she would have said would have

43:43

been ignored or covered up because she

43:45

obviously she ended up in cyber dines.

43:47

Yeah, factory. So obviously they've discovered all

43:49

this stuff. Well, this is the other

43:51

thing, you know, who got to the,

43:53

and it says that in the, in

43:56

the making of as well, actually, the

43:58

one a bit that was cut from

44:00

the film was the kind of like

44:02

a, like a pan back to it

44:04

actually showing that it was the factory,

44:06

I think. Oh, yeah. I think that

44:08

way it was actually cut. So it's

44:10

kind of, so all of that cover-up

44:12

has kind of happened. So she's kind

44:15

of like, she kind of has to

44:17

keep on the download. No one's going

44:19

to believe her. Like, you wouldn't, like.

44:21

There's nothing to corroborate with, with Reese.

44:23

There's nothing to corroborate a story. She

44:25

has to go on the, she has

44:27

to corroborate a story. So she has

44:29

to go on the run essentially. So

44:31

she's on the, she has to go

44:33

on the kind of, broken, broken out

44:36

of hospital. Yeah, well, custody. Yeah, I

44:38

don't think, I mean, I think, I

44:40

don't think they're arrested there for anything.

44:42

I think they're basically just gone. Something's

44:44

wrong here. Cyberdine have given a few

44:46

people, a few bags of money. A

44:48

few quid, a few quid. We know

44:50

they did, didn't it? And this is

44:52

it. And then in T too, obviously,

44:55

then she kind of buffs herself up

44:57

and she can see the effects of

44:59

her training in Mexico and yada yada

45:01

yada yada. Anyway, less about that. That

45:03

might be for future dates. Maybe not

45:05

a future podcast. But it is an

45:07

absolutely top-notch film that never gets boring

45:09

to watch. I watched it last night

45:11

again. I've got to be into triple

45:14

digits. It's easy. And every second of

45:16

it is just captivating. It's pure. I

45:18

know what's coming. Every word. It doesn't

45:20

matter. Doesn't matter. I like they'll always

45:22

be something slightly different you spot in

45:24

a scene or they'll you'll be looking

45:26

on a different part of the screen

45:28

or yeah whatever or you'll hear like

45:30

a different tones or something you know

45:32

what I mean brilliant genius filmmaking yeah

45:35

always think back to film always think

45:37

back to films like this when this

45:39

modern thing about films either having to

45:41

be three hours long or part of

45:43

a series of films yeah you have

45:45

to watch them all to understand what's

45:47

going on yeah this is what an

45:49

hour of 40 I think oh yeah

45:51

and it tells this brilliant story. It's

45:54

not even that I don't think. No,

45:56

but I've been out about a half,

45:58

but that's what I mean and it

46:00

tells this brilliant story and there's no,

46:02

you don't need to know anything before

46:04

you start watching it. No. You don't

46:06

need to worry about what you're going

46:08

to do. There's no law to worry

46:10

about. Just a great story, brilliantlyantly told

46:13

like and it doesn't have to be.

46:15

one hour forty seven oh wow okay

46:17

I didn't think it was that long

46:19

longer than I thought but still just

46:21

a self-contained but you're saying you know

46:23

we're near like those huge no watchathons

46:25

two and a half you know and

46:27

again I know this is just a

46:29

general thing but I missed those days

46:32

when they made a film without thinking

46:34

right this is going to be part

46:36

of a franchise obviously it became one

46:38

organically but now it's like in It's

46:40

too fast to be part of a

46:42

phrase, right? But I missed that, it

46:44

was a bit just past the whole

46:46

idea of discussion we've had with films

46:48

and games actually, isn't it? And games,

46:50

yeah. Where they're made, they're made with

46:53

certain provisos. And you just think, you

46:55

know, and I don't even start with,

46:57

the originality of like movies and stuff

46:59

like that. Yeah. You know, there's so

47:01

many ideas that haven't yet been explored

47:03

and so many kind of universes and

47:05

so many kind of universess. Well, simple

47:07

done well, you know, you don't have

47:09

to have, it doesn't have to have

47:12

like a billion plot twists. No, it

47:14

doesn't have to have. And it takes

47:16

kind of a basis, what is like

47:18

a stalker and protector kind of set

47:20

up? It's a good versus evil sci-fi,

47:22

you know, a sci-fi twist, isn't it?

47:24

But it's on, it's on, it's on,

47:26

it's done, yeah. just, I got, I

47:28

mean, how old do you guys think

47:31

you were when you first saw it?

47:33

Because I really can't remember, but I

47:35

must have been way too young. Eight

47:37

or nine. Yeah, I watched it about

47:39

eight or nine. Probably. And I really

47:41

enjoyed it. Probably just into double digits,

47:43

I think. Yeah, I think mine were

47:45

dependent on what it was. It's just

47:47

like, oh, it's just robots. But yeah,

47:49

something like 11 or 12 maybe, something

47:52

like that. But yeah, which is probably

47:54

much later than you guys, but stayed

47:56

with me. Same, maybe that's why I

47:58

don't see it as an out of

48:00

horror. That's right. That's right. That's right.

48:02

At the beginning, I think maybe that's

48:04

why it was so horrifying as a

48:06

child. I see, I totally get, I

48:08

completely understand, I'm just like, maybe just

48:11

view it from us through a slightly

48:13

different lens. You know, you know, the

48:15

fact that's the fact that he barely

48:17

says, you know, you know, the fact

48:19

that he barely says, he barely says,

48:21

that he barely says, he barely says,

48:23

he barely says, he barely says, he

48:25

barely says, he barely says, he barely

48:27

says, he barely says, he barely says,

48:30

he barely says, he barely says, he

48:32

barely says, he says, he says, he

48:34

says, he barely says, he says, he

48:36

says, he barely says, he says, he

48:38

says, he says, he says, Yeah. And

48:40

not just because Karl Reese says he

48:42

is, but because he shows you, he

48:44

is... It doesn't ever stop. Never. All

48:46

the way up to the last second

48:48

when she presses the button, he's still

48:51

coming, it's still coming. And just like

48:53

the whole film is... Especially when you're

48:55

young and you're not really equipped for

48:57

such things and you're just like... pure

48:59

attention the whole way through that you're

49:01

almost like well there's no solution to

49:03

this problem yeah there's never going to

49:05

be a solution again the kids shouldn't

49:07

watch it because it is like the

49:10

stuff of nightmares yeah um aid any

49:12

thoughts on the movie before you share

49:14

a poll with us I think it'll

49:16

be a very different movie if they

49:18

start they've spent with the first actor

49:20

in mind for OJ Simpson. OJ Simpson.

49:22

Yeah, he was, wasn't he? Apparently he

49:24

was too family friendly, yeah, too trustworthy

49:26

to be in turn. Wow, funny that,

49:29

having to change. And Lance Henrichson was

49:31

under consideration as well. Oh yeah, and

49:33

then he was originally they were going

49:35

to go for the idea that it's

49:37

just a normal man that would blend

49:39

in. Yeah, and then obviously the idea

49:41

of... The soldier had to be the...

49:43

Oh yeah, and the idea of this

49:45

tank like... Yeah, he was amazing. I

49:48

love the film. I think it's brilliant.

49:50

Yeah, I think it's my favorite in

49:52

the series. I've said... out right I

49:54

really enjoy it I like the greatness

49:56

of it mmm I like there's no

49:58

CGI in it I don't think really

50:00

I love that kind of raw animation

50:02

they've got the kind of stop motion

50:04

animation with it with the with the

50:06

skeleton yeah I love it I love

50:09

that kind of watch that and the

50:11

stupid CGI explosions like expendables for I

50:13

turned it off I couldn't deal with

50:15

it was terrible I couldn't finish I

50:17

was 20 so much this terminator is

50:19

so much better And expendables is the

50:21

kind of movie that you think would

50:23

do at old school. Yeah, yeah, a

50:25

bit of TNT, a proper explosion. With

50:28

the, I'll say acting, but the, you

50:30

know, the, the sort of cast that

50:32

you got in there, you'd think, well,

50:34

we wouldn't have CIGI in that, would

50:36

you? Well, there's an irony there, isn't

50:38

there, because the cast is, and I'll

50:40

get off, the whole point of the

50:42

film is we're going to go old

50:44

school with the old guys. Yeah, except

50:47

we're going to use CDI for a

50:49

lot of money. We're going to save

50:51

loads of money and do everything CGI.

50:53

I agree. I agree with age. I'll

50:55

say first one for me. Yeah, first

50:57

film because of everything we've said. Interesting.

50:59

I refuse to choose between my children.

51:01

So I can't. I can't pick between.

51:03

Was it three? But that's why I

51:05

wag out that. thing about them being

51:08

different films so I say no if

51:10

I want to watch software I'll watch

51:12

Terminator and if you want to watch

51:14

but terminate to Terminator alien aliens I

51:16

won't pick between them no that's a

51:18

car power man but your favorite is

51:20

Genesis isn't it Yeah, Genesis. Oh,

51:22

Genesis. Oh, Genesis. Yeah, no, no. Oh, God. Don't

51:25

even. Yeah, anyway. Eight. Yes. We did a sneaky

51:27

poll. We actually done two polls on Twitter and

51:29

also on Facebook, basically, which is a better terminated

51:31

film, the first or second one. I didn't bother

51:33

listening to the others. Yeah. I thought, what's the

51:35

point? No. See the first or second. Really, we

51:38

don't want to know who you are. Just go

51:40

away. There's no other no one thinks so Twitter

51:42

poll interestingly any guesses which was the winning film

51:44

T2 T2 Yeah, yeah, and there's 102 votes in

51:46

total and terminated to one it by 68.6% First

51:48

film only got about 30 odd percent, okay?

51:51

and we did a similar

51:53

one on Facebook loads

51:55

people got involved and actually

51:57

basically a carbon copy

51:59

of the results 71 %

52:01

said T2 whereas 29 %

52:03

said 1. That doesn't surprise

52:06

me though. Guess which

52:08

one I chose? No you

52:10

chose two but your

52:12

friend was very angry at

52:14

you because you said

52:16

you persuades your friends. at

52:19

uni the puppet master. Craig's

52:24

getting another mention here. Hi Craig. How

52:27

you doing? We used to watch

52:29

movies at uni obviously and then

52:31

I think we had T1 and

52:33

T2 and I was such like

52:35

as this podcast proved I was

52:38

such a die -hard Terminator fan

52:40

and I liked T2 at the

52:42

time but I was like Terminator

52:44

1 is better man. He was

52:46

like no too is better but

52:48

I'm like Terminator 1 let's watch

52:50

Terminator 1 I'll you know come

52:52

on feel the horror and obviously

52:54

they are two different different movies

52:56

but I'll go into this more

52:58

in the T2 pod but yeah

53:00

at the minute I have a

53:03

real I'm just all over T2

53:05

I think I think entertainment wise

53:07

I think it's even more entertaining

53:09

than T1. I love it I

53:11

love Terminator 2 you can't criticize

53:13

it. It's almost a perfect film. For

53:18

me it's so marginal it's like Terminator

53:20

2 is like 99 % and Terminator

53:22

1 is like 98%. That's why I

53:25

do that thing it's like if you

53:27

want it to be scary then watch

53:29

the first one if you want to

53:31

have a rollercoaster ride of action and

53:33

everything watch the second one because you

53:35

can't convince me in any way that

53:37

anything happens in Terminator 2 apart from

53:40

the scene where she has the dream

53:42

about the nuclear holocaust is as scary

53:44

as Arnold in the first film. That's

53:49

what I'm saying it depends what

53:51

you want from the film if you

53:53

want to be scared the first

53:55

one if you just want to watch

53:57

an amazing film. So probably it

53:59

probably hits all the right notes in

54:01

all the right order so therefore you you don't

54:03

necessarily have to pick between the

54:05

two, because you can argue that they're

54:07

two totally different different experiences yeah yeah yeah so you're

54:09

almost it's almost someone. This is

54:11

my way of not picking. Yeah, well,

54:13

it's almost like taking two very

54:16

different two very different genres. That's how I

54:18

see different genres how I see it and going well that's

54:20

how how I see it. room for both

54:22

here. They can both exist can both mean,

54:24

that's why I do that thing,

54:26

because it's like, you can't really compare

54:28

do that thing not the same kind of

54:30

can't really compare them. No, but they're not the

54:32

same. I've always had the first

54:34

one films, but a nose

54:36

the front of the second. had

54:38

adore the second in front of film.

54:40

love I love only reason being is

54:42

just purely because of that. because

54:45

of that isolating. cold feeling. I don't

54:47

get don't get that. you don't get

54:49

it with the second one because it's

54:51

more of an action field. it's more of an I

54:54

can't kind of get enough

54:56

of that. enough of that and that itch

54:58

more than the second. the second. mean

55:00

it's a better or a film.

55:02

worse It just means that means that

55:04

That first one, first just fills

55:06

the glass up for me for

55:08

that particular itch. itch, that tiny

55:11

little bit bit more. And it's I

55:13

think think we'll just keep on kind

55:15

of and froin' on this on this I'm taking it

55:17

at a time. But go go way yeah, and

55:19

say say you to pick. to pick. Yeah, I

55:21

will will not do your your poll. I will

55:23

not. I people will mostly go for mostly

55:25

go for fine. I am. I am either. Anyway, but but

55:27

it's supposed to be where I

55:29

talk about some of the games. about some

55:31

of the time to do God, yeah. So it's

55:33

The bad. do the good, the bad, and the

55:35

ugly. I'm very, very I'm very, very

55:38

interested to see where you've

55:40

gone with these, Very interested. So

55:42

good one, one, think, or the

55:44

best one, in my opinion,

55:46

my is Terminator on the

55:48

Mega Series. on the I was

55:50

going to say And this is, that

55:53

was December 93, that was released actually.

55:55

So talking almost.

55:57

almost 10 after the.

56:00

came out. Anyway, so it was Virgin

56:02

Games' second crack and Terminator, the first

56:04

one being of course. The mega drive

56:06

one. The mega drive one. Master system.

56:08

Well, it was on the master system

56:10

one, anyway. Did anyone have the mega

56:12

drive for master system one? I rented

56:14

the Mega Drive one when it came

56:16

out, because I was very keen to

56:18

play it. Yes. Can I talk about

56:20

that now? Please do. Yeah, before I

56:22

talk about the stage. I think I

56:24

remember about it when it was reviewed

56:26

in the magazines. It got very middling

56:29

scores because it was very short. There's

56:31

literally four stages. Four stages. And it's

56:33

over in the blink of an eye.

56:35

Yeah. But. I don't remember a lot

56:37

about how I felt about it then,

56:39

but having played it again recently, it's

56:41

fun. It is fun. It's fun and

56:43

it recreates those bits of the film

56:45

really well. The bit in the future.

56:47

Yeah, a bit in the grenades and

56:49

stuff. Yeah, that's really cool as well

56:51

because that's what we got told about

56:53

in the film. You know, where you

56:55

go and blow it up and then

56:57

you get into the time displacement machine

56:59

and stuff. That's all very cool. Um,

57:01

and so you're in LA and then

57:03

you're like, then you're in LA and

57:05

then you're in the police station and

57:07

you know, you go into Technoire and

57:09

it's, it's all very, it's over in

57:11

the blink of a knife. And you

57:14

mean like a white doctor's coat? Instead,

57:16

instead of, instead of a dirty Mac,

57:18

it does, you look like a scientist?

57:20

Yeah, you look like a scientist. Yes.

57:22

Which you kind of are, you know.

57:24

I watched a play through of that.

57:26

Yeah. Because I played, and you'll probably

57:28

pick up on these, I played the

57:30

Nez and the Snez versions, I watched

57:32

a play through of the Mega Drive

57:34

version and it was 16 minutes. Yeah.

57:36

That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah. 16

57:38

minutes. If you know what you're doing.

57:40

I mean, it's hard. It's actually a

57:42

hard game. Like, it takes, there's only

57:44

one life as well, isn't you. Yeah.

57:46

Yeah. To memorize what is going on,

57:48

on patterns of everything, be like, be

57:50

like, like you in Kung Fu, I

57:52

think, wasn't it? Like, if you're little,

57:54

you memorize the patterns, and you kind

57:56

of know where they're coming from. Yeah,

57:59

if you know what, well, it's the

58:01

same thing with, say, it gave, like,

58:03

Mega memory. Yeah, that kind of memorizing.

58:05

Patent memorizing. over 15 to any minutes.

58:07

It got hammered for that in the

58:09

reviews. But they were just telling the

58:11

film and you can only turn the

58:13

movie into about four or five levels.

58:15

I reckon they could have spread it

58:17

out a bit. They could have had

58:19

a chase. You could have had a

58:21

chase in there. But I think it

58:23

still looks quite nice. sounds pretty cool

58:25

and yeah it's I wouldn't I wouldn't

58:27

I wouldn't have liked to have paid

58:29

40 quid for it at the time

58:31

but I think it's it's all right

58:33

no you rented it so you're safe

58:35

yeah yeah but virgin clearly still had

58:37

the license mmm and they had access

58:39

to a new technology you know to

58:41

give the mega drive a bit more

58:43

like a bit more memory, a bit

58:46

more, you know, and then yeah, we've

58:48

got the, we've got the Terminator and

58:50

it starts off exactly like the movie.

58:52

So you get like the little cut

58:54

scene and you get all the, the

58:56

kind of the, it says the disheel,

58:58

the blurb, the blurb. And the graphics,

59:00

as soon as you start playing that

59:02

game, everything is bigger, everything is better.

59:04

you've got like these big sport like

59:06

you lay your your car in the

59:08

future still but you're a different car

59:10

you're like to me this looks much

59:12

more like Robocock versus Terminator it is

59:14

I think I mean even though they're

59:16

two completely developed different development teams I

59:18

looked into I was like this is

59:20

so much like but I do wonder

59:22

if they had chats Because they were

59:24

both released around the same time. I

59:26

wonder if they had like different chats

59:28

about how the level should go in

59:31

there. Like, because these levels now, rather

59:33

than just being on two levels, like

59:35

most terminators, basically it's like on like

59:37

two, three levels. And then you kind

59:39

of like, Reese's got to spool up

59:41

there and he's got to spool back

59:43

down and it's like, he has that

59:45

kind of mad scrambling feel that you

59:47

would be, you know, you would feel

59:49

that if you were Reese as a

59:51

soldier as a soldier in the future.

59:53

you know you'd be running for your

59:55

life and it actually makes you kind

59:57

of like gets that panic into you.

59:59

Oh and then okay so you've got

1:00:01

the big sprites, you've got sprawling levels,

1:00:03

you've got the CED quality music. By

1:00:05

Tommy Tallerico. You guys love Tommy. Seriously

1:00:07

don't you know? very divisive right now.

1:00:09

Why was he done? Was he done

1:00:11

now? Was he done? Parrot. He hasn't

1:00:13

done half the music. He's claimed apparently

1:00:16

and he's made some very dodgy statements

1:00:18

recently. He's kind of been shunned. Oh

1:00:20

no! Honestly, I don't know too much

1:00:22

about it. But he definitely did the

1:00:24

one for it. Oh, I think he

1:00:26

is listed in the credits. Oh, is

1:00:28

this one of the ones? He's no.

1:00:30

I'm sorry. No, this one, I'm pretty

1:00:32

sure he's publicly listed. Like he is

1:00:34

in the credits, I'm pretty sure. I'm

1:00:36

pretty sure. Yeah, sorry. I'm listening because

1:00:38

I've just take me down about my

1:00:40

dine on some of the old interviews.

1:00:42

Yeah. I revamped the Tommy Telerica one,

1:00:44

and they were like, why posting this,

1:00:46

haven't you heard the news, I, what

1:00:48

you heard the news, what you heard

1:00:50

the news, what you, what you, what

1:00:52

you, what you, what you, what you,

1:00:54

what you, what you, what you, what

1:00:56

you, what you, what you, what you,

1:00:58

what you, what you, what you, what

1:01:01

you, And so there was some a

1:01:03

lot of a lot of scandals about

1:01:05

the moment. Oh, I have to have

1:01:07

a look at that. That's such a

1:01:09

shame. He's someone I've always admired. So

1:01:11

that's always disappointing when that happens. But

1:01:13

yeah. Yeah. Yes. Moving on. Right. Anyway,

1:01:15

Tommy Telerica sound drag. Brilliant. Sounds exactly

1:01:17

like the movie. Yeah and then what's

1:01:19

good about this is that the future

1:01:21

bit takes like a third of the

1:01:23

game and then you go straight to

1:01:25

the streets about it and it's just

1:01:27

it's just it's just relentless it's just

1:01:29

like boom boom boom boom boom the

1:01:31

cutscenes as well so where you've got

1:01:33

like the thing where you're looking at

1:01:35

Sarah Connor in the the phone there's

1:01:37

like that cut scene and then they've

1:01:39

got the car chase and it's like

1:01:41

oh it's just it's like they've just

1:01:43

took they took the mega drive version

1:01:46

and then go right a proper game

1:01:48

out of this time But then if

1:01:50

you look at a play few of

1:01:52

this, this is only about half an

1:01:54

hour I think, half an hour before

1:01:56

you did it. But it looks like

1:01:58

a theme here. But it is. But

1:02:00

you never played it. Not the magazine,

1:02:02

but it looked really amazing. So you

1:02:04

can. It's easy to emulate. When I

1:02:06

was my Megacides in that box right

1:02:08

now, but when I was playing it,

1:02:10

I burned a copy of the terminal

1:02:12

like straight away and I was like

1:02:14

just blown away by this. I've only

1:02:16

ever seen it sounds brilliant. Yeah, it's

1:02:18

just I think it's fantastic. I think

1:02:20

it's the closest you'll get to be

1:02:22

to be the movie, actually. There might

1:02:24

be something later that I'm going to

1:02:26

quickly chat about. That might be a

1:02:28

bit closer. But yeah, so this is

1:02:31

the closest, a 16-bit game to being

1:02:33

in the movie. But you know what?

1:02:35

It didn't review very well at all

1:02:37

actually. It got very, very moderate scores.

1:02:39

Yeah, as an example, Sega Power gave

1:02:41

it 58%. Ooh, wouch. Same module. I

1:02:43

feel like for like the games magazines

1:02:45

then, that's low. That is low. They

1:02:47

didn't like a game if it was

1:02:49

in the 50s. No. I think the

1:02:51

highest it got was maybe 70% or

1:02:53

something. Yeah, it was main. So the

1:02:55

main crimes were even though the FMV,

1:02:57

full motion video, everyone listening, it's an

1:02:59

ancient, yeah, they all know what FMV

1:03:01

stands for, but full motion video, just

1:03:03

being nice and just spelling out for

1:03:05

you, was criticized for the poor quality.

1:03:07

You look at it now and it's

1:03:09

not exactly the movie, it is kind

1:03:11

of grainy. But the quality of motion

1:03:13

was on a 60 on the magazine,

1:03:16

he wasn't great. It's on a 16

1:03:18

bit machine guys, like it's probably the

1:03:20

best that thing could do, right? They

1:03:22

really did, I think, crank it up

1:03:24

as a bit unfair. It is really

1:03:26

unfair. Paul Betingale, or Sega Power, right?

1:03:28

Paul. Paul. The images are so grainy

1:03:30

and the colours so fuzzy, looking too

1:03:32

hard at these bits could be bad

1:03:34

for your eyes. My eyes are fine

1:03:36

Paul. And I've been looking at it

1:03:38

anyway, so it wouldn't matter if you

1:03:40

look at it. Yeah, it did. It's

1:03:42

a hard game actually. I think when

1:03:44

I had it, I only got past

1:03:46

like the first and I just got

1:03:48

past the first LA level. So it's

1:03:50

actually pretty hard. Game Pro said that

1:03:52

the catchy music. done or not done?

1:03:54

Maybe not done by time. Fits them

1:03:56

your action well and I think it

1:03:58

does. It's not they've not lifted the

1:04:00

exact music but obviously it gives that

1:04:03

kind of that up-tempo kind of kind

1:04:05

of feel to it. Some reviews are

1:04:07

actually critical of the gameplay. So a

1:04:09

guy called Julian Connolly of Megatech said

1:04:11

and the game had no long-term value.

1:04:13

said that he said it looks great

1:04:15

sounds great plays great for a while

1:04:17

but all the shooting wears you down

1:04:19

now actually he got a point he's

1:04:21

got a little bit of a point

1:04:23

because it is just it is just

1:04:25

your shooting it's a bit like alien

1:04:27

three in a way You know what

1:04:29

I mean? Yeah, yeah. You basically just

1:04:31

spend the whole game just with your

1:04:33

finger down and just like shooting everything

1:04:35

and like all in sundry. And there's

1:04:37

no real let up. So it can.

1:04:39

I suppose if you're kind of, you're

1:04:41

reviewing these things in the sort of

1:04:43

the early 90s and you look at

1:04:45

something a bit different. something that kind

1:04:48

of breaks up the gameplay a bit

1:04:50

more, you're not going to get it

1:04:52

from this. This is, but then Robocop

1:04:54

versus Terminator isn't that, and that's one

1:04:56

of the best games I've played in

1:04:58

my whole life. So anyway, as we've

1:05:00

discussed, crisp, crispness of Robocop versus Terminator.

1:05:02

But yeah, he says, oh yeah, also

1:05:04

someone called Paul Millerick of Mega said,

1:05:06

it's a well-presented blast, but ultimately boring.

1:05:08

Very samey and a bit of a

1:05:10

waste. I think this is the thing,

1:05:12

right? So when you look back now

1:05:14

and you say about criticism of games

1:05:16

at the time, when we look back

1:05:18

now, we can actually appreciate them for

1:05:20

actually how good they were. Whereas at

1:05:22

the time, you're looking for new things,

1:05:24

you're looking for some kind of innovation.

1:05:26

But no, anyway. So that is my

1:05:28

choice for good. Yeah, you say that's

1:05:30

fair? Yeah, based on what I've seen.

1:05:33

Yeah, agreed. I will try and get

1:05:35

my mega CD up and running so

1:05:37

you guys can maybe play this, play

1:05:39

it out the next session because it

1:05:41

is worth a bit of a bit

1:05:43

of a bit of a go. The

1:05:45

bad now, now we move on to

1:05:47

the bad. Now I've always said there's

1:05:49

a special place in hell for the

1:05:51

master system version and I had it,

1:05:53

I had it until recently and I

1:05:55

was like, hmm. I'll do like the

1:05:57

box looks really nice obviously with like

1:05:59

the terminator on it and everything like

1:06:01

you know But no I sold it

1:06:03

as part of a master's thumb on

1:06:05

just to get some money and I

1:06:07

was like screw it. See you later

1:06:09

because it's pretty bad So yeah, it's

1:06:11

kind of yeah, anyway, we'll bin it

1:06:13

off. I'm talking about something different. I'm

1:06:15

gonna talk about the snares version of

1:06:18

the terminator is bad. This is bad.

1:06:20

So it was done by Mindscape and

1:06:22

I've got here that they worked on

1:06:24

the Paper Boy ports and potentially the

1:06:26

original Prince of Persia. So they've got

1:06:28

a little bit of, you know, a

1:06:30

little bit of form, you know, and

1:06:32

if you look at the the the

1:06:34

intro for the Sner's version, it says

1:06:36

that they sublicensed it from Bethesda. Now

1:06:38

they, more of them later, yeah, yeah,

1:06:40

run and them later. So it's another

1:06:42

running gun game, but yeah. But it's

1:06:44

actually, it feels more like James's favorite

1:06:46

game. James's favorite game in the whole

1:06:48

world. Oh, yeah, I'll never live that

1:06:50

down. Or not, as the case, maybe.

1:06:52

No, I like, I bloody love contra,

1:06:54

but yeah. It feels like, this feels

1:06:56

like like a really big contra clone,

1:06:58

but just worse. Yeah, it looks initially,

1:07:00

I thought, I think it looks pretty

1:07:03

nice because like you've got, the title

1:07:05

screen's got a nice picture of Arnie,

1:07:07

it's all like well done, it uses

1:07:09

all the, as soon as this color

1:07:11

palette, the backdrops, the levels are pretty

1:07:13

good, the sprites are quite big and

1:07:15

kind of look quite good. Apart from

1:07:17

Karl Reese who looks like an 8-bit

1:07:19

thing that got ripped off said a

1:07:21

four-mentioned master system version. Why? Why? Why?

1:07:23

It just doesn't look anything like him

1:07:25

at all, does it? Nothing like it.

1:07:27

But that's the thing, because they've gone

1:07:29

for that kind of... And he's chevy

1:07:31

face. And his run is really, we're

1:07:33

talking about being chased, his run is

1:07:35

really kind of goofy and it's, yeah,

1:07:37

he's pretty hard to look at, but

1:07:39

kind of forgive initially, because when you

1:07:41

shoot a terminator and they do that

1:07:43

cool thing when you shoot terminator and

1:07:45

they do that cool thing when you

1:07:48

shoot a thing where they crawl in

1:07:50

the ground and you're like, oh, and

1:07:52

then you shoot. That feels kind of

1:07:54

nice. But. the music and the sound

1:07:56

effects are some of the worst i've

1:07:58

heard in a video game and i

1:08:00

don't know that's not even an exaggeration

1:08:02

i mean eight bit as well i

1:08:04

mean this is bad so the the

1:08:06

music is awful when you got your

1:08:08

finger down and it's shooting the laser

1:08:10

gun it makes this really weird boinging

1:08:12

noise. Yeah it does it goes boing

1:08:14

boing boing boing boing but then but

1:08:16

it's so loud and there's no options

1:08:18

in the game you can't even turn

1:08:20

it down so it just completely it

1:08:22

completely like overrides everything so all you

1:08:24

hear is this boinging noise you're looking

1:08:26

you're looking at this game which has

1:08:28

got you're getting killed every five seconds

1:08:30

because you can only shoot up Can

1:08:33

you shoot up? No, you can't. No,

1:08:35

you can't shoot up. No, you can

1:08:37

only shoot diagonally up. And that's it.

1:08:39

And horizontally. Yeah, horizontally and diagonally down.

1:08:41

But you can't. I don't think she

1:08:43

could diagonally down. Do you not? No,

1:08:45

because there are minds on the floor

1:08:47

and you can't even jump up and

1:08:49

do that thing where you point it

1:08:51

diagonally down to shoot. I'm trying to

1:08:53

think. because there's like terminates like laying

1:08:55

on like other levels yeah and you

1:08:57

this is a stupid thing this is

1:08:59

what really frustrated me because I'm glad

1:09:01

you've touched on this is you walk

1:09:03

up to a section there's a terminal

1:09:05

laying on like a shelf or whatever

1:09:07

yeah you have to walk back a

1:09:09

shelf or whatever yeah you have to

1:09:11

you have to walk back so far

1:09:13

they get that I like off the

1:09:15

screen yeah you're shooting this thing that's

1:09:18

off the screen yeah it's like it's

1:09:20

so much easier just to go underneath

1:09:22

you just to go If you're going

1:09:24

to copy contra, why don't you use

1:09:26

a copy copy? And it is, and

1:09:28

it is, you talk about relentless, but

1:09:30

relentless for the wrong reasons. It's, it's

1:09:32

like, there's a, there's a point in

1:09:34

it where you climb a ladder to

1:09:36

go and get like a, a bit

1:09:38

of a power up or something. Yeah.

1:09:40

And there's a terminator down the bottom,

1:09:42

and they're just machine gunning all of

1:09:44

these like laser bullets. I don't care

1:09:46

where you are on the screen, you

1:09:48

cannot escape them, you have to take

1:09:50

a hit. So you either don't, like,

1:09:52

it's almost as if they're not allowing

1:09:54

you to get the power up. Yeah,

1:09:56

you can't get that power up. If

1:09:58

you get the power up, you lose

1:10:00

life. Yeah, that's zero point in the

1:10:02

power. Which is stupid, because you should

1:10:05

be able to get it and then

1:10:07

have at least a brief window where

1:10:09

you can, you know, escape the people.

1:10:11

They know they knew any play testing

1:10:13

on this game. It is insanely frustrating.

1:10:15

And they'd gone, you get to that

1:10:17

bit in that level where you're in

1:10:19

the truck. You know you're in the

1:10:21

truck. Yes. Go on. It's bouncing like

1:10:23

a balloon. All the wheels are like

1:10:25

spinning the wrong way and it's like

1:10:27

bouncing up and down. I'm like I

1:10:29

cannot even believe what I'm playing right

1:10:31

now. If you persevere with it, obviously

1:10:33

then you get to a nice little

1:10:35

cut scene showing Reese arriving in LA

1:10:37

and it kind of like shows him

1:10:39

in the alleyway and then like looking

1:10:41

at the phone, but kind of, oh,

1:10:43

okay, well, this might pick up a

1:10:45

little bit. No, because the same thing

1:10:47

starts in LA and you're running around

1:10:50

as 8-bit Reese and now you've got

1:10:52

a different gun, but it makes a

1:10:54

slapping noise every time there as well.

1:10:56

Boining and slapping. So, you just hear

1:10:58

this like slapping noise, and you can't,

1:11:00

like, the music is long gone. The

1:11:02

terrible music is long gone, which is

1:11:04

one positive, I guess. But then it's

1:11:06

like, bang, it's like, twang, twang, twang,

1:11:08

twang. And I'm like, oh, you are

1:11:10

having a laugh man. And then I

1:11:12

gave up, actually, like, a car chase

1:11:14

bit, which looks like a terrible battle

1:11:16

outrun. Okay. Yeah. So, like, they've tried

1:11:18

to copy Battle Outrun and failed. Failed,

1:11:20

basically. They can't even copy. So, can't

1:11:22

copy, get it right. They can't copy

1:11:24

Battle Outrun and get it right. No.

1:11:26

And then, and then I voice it

1:11:28

all the way to the end. And

1:11:30

then there's a bit where, like, Reese,

1:11:32

like, says Sarah. But, like, Sarah. And

1:11:36

then there's, then they try and replicate

1:11:38

the other chase, like the final chase

1:11:40

bit with the truck. It looks terrible.

1:11:42

It looks really, really bad. But I

1:11:45

think this one actually kind of has,

1:11:47

has Sarah at the end, kind of

1:11:49

ushering in the terminator to die. So

1:11:51

I think actually it stays true to

1:11:53

the plot in that way, which is

1:11:55

one. minor plus point. It's amazing that

1:11:57

anyone managed to get that far towards

1:11:59

the end to do a walkthrough. I'm

1:12:01

really, whoever did that, who ordered it

1:12:03

to them, geez. Well, they're actually outdone

1:12:05

by the person who did the walkthrough

1:12:07

of the next game I'm going to

1:12:10

talk about, which is the ugly. It's

1:12:12

the nez version of the Nintendo. The

1:12:14

Nintendo Entertainment System version, also done by

1:12:16

Mindscape, also sub-licensed from Bethesda. Wow! This

1:12:18

is terrible. From the moment it starts,

1:12:20

it's got a bad menu screen, it

1:12:22

sounds terrible. The way it comes in

1:12:24

is awful. There's no option screen. It's

1:12:26

just some bit on the screen that

1:12:28

says you've got to go to LA

1:12:30

1984. Brilliant. As soon as it loads

1:12:32

up. And I know that NES has

1:12:34

a terrible, like a small color palette.

1:12:37

Like it's got small color palette. Even

1:12:39

the master system has more colors, isn't

1:12:41

it, right? But it looks like a

1:12:43

spectrum. It's actually looks like he's pretty

1:12:45

woeful spectrum game. The music and the

1:12:47

sound are awful even by the standards

1:12:49

of that console. They are like ear

1:12:51

bleeding bad. It's just a mess. It's

1:12:53

like he's in a sewer. Why is

1:12:55

he in some weird sewer? I started

1:12:57

playing it with all that like green

1:12:59

ooze. I've always played Mick and Mac

1:13:02

global Gladiator. It looked like they nicked

1:13:04

those toxic drops straight out of a

1:13:06

Mega Man game. Because, you know what

1:13:08

I mean? Like, again, if you're going

1:13:10

to copy something, but I didn't get

1:13:12

that either. Like, literally, it loads up

1:13:14

and you're just there in the sewer

1:13:16

with these pipes that are bleeding out

1:13:18

this green stuff. And then, like, you

1:13:20

kind of do this very over theatrical

1:13:22

jump that looks far more effective than

1:13:24

it actually really is. Yeah, there's some

1:13:26

kind of weird thing pulling you back

1:13:29

as you're jumping, so you don't actually

1:13:31

jump as far as you should. Exactly,

1:13:33

but there's all arms flailing in the

1:13:35

air. It's like, no, no, you really

1:13:37

aren't going that far, mate. And then,

1:13:39

and like the option bit. the top

1:13:41

for your weapons is so horrendously basic.

1:13:43

That looks like it's off a microcomputer.

1:13:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does. Like the

1:13:47

simple grenade. It's just like this little

1:13:49

avocado. Yeah, it's not even, there's no

1:13:51

finding characteristics to it at all. Yeah,

1:13:54

I'm with you on this one. Ugly

1:13:56

is definitely the word. It's really bad.

1:13:58

In all the the the floor tiles

1:14:00

kind of, are they indistinguishable? So you

1:14:02

fault your death a lot. Yeah, you

1:14:04

don't really know where you're jumping over.

1:14:06

You don't know where to jump. No,

1:14:08

you don't know what to, you don't

1:14:10

know really what solid and what's not.

1:14:12

So that's that's another great thing to

1:14:14

look forward to when if you ever

1:14:16

buy this game or download this game.

1:14:18

So I had a quick look like

1:14:21

a quick look at. I gave up

1:14:23

really quickly with this game. I must

1:14:25

have played for about 10, 15 minutes

1:14:27

on our own. So I saw this,

1:14:29

right? So I went on YouTube and

1:14:31

this legend who's done this playthrough and

1:14:33

looked through the comments and this one

1:14:35

says it all. Remember those soiled bum

1:14:37

pants trousers that Kyle wore in the

1:14:39

movie. Yeah? This game plays like how

1:14:41

I imagine those pants would smell. Yes!

1:14:43

They did so obviously his minescape again

1:14:46

so they did the they did the

1:14:48

truck chase scene and again and it's

1:14:50

worse it's worse it's like terrible excite

1:14:52

bike with random terminator with a random

1:14:54

terminator tank chasing you. And then yeah,

1:14:56

and then he goes, then he does

1:14:58

go to the past and Kyle has

1:15:00

to punch everyone in the bum's pants.

1:15:02

So he's wearing the bum's pants, he's

1:15:04

punching everyone and it makes no sense

1:15:06

really. They have, they have, and then

1:15:08

I watched it to the end, there

1:15:10

is the factory bit, but then Kyle

1:15:13

kills the Terminator. So you know what?

1:15:15

That's actually really nice because Kyle actually

1:15:17

survived. Yeah. That's the first Nes Law.

1:15:19

So they feel as though they can

1:15:21

tell the story better than James Cameron

1:15:23

games. Brilliant. This worst, terrible, terrible, any

1:15:25

S game tells it better. That's canon,

1:15:27

I think, the Nes game, isn't it?

1:15:29

That's the fifth one. This is it,

1:15:31

right. Again, if you have the Nes

1:15:33

cartridge and it's got... it, it looks

1:15:35

really nice, brilliant to look like, you

1:15:38

know, you get these weird people that

1:15:40

smash game cartridges and put them in

1:15:42

like a frame and stuff and like

1:15:44

hang it on, I'll sell it to

1:15:46

you to hang on your wall. This

1:15:48

is a prime candidate for that, smash

1:15:50

the crap out of that cartridge, display

1:15:52

it all out, stick it in a

1:15:54

frame and I'll definitely buy that. Go

1:15:56

on, then how much are they? Shall

1:15:58

have a look? I don't know. I'll

1:16:00

assume the role of eBay Quarter. I'll

1:16:02

assume the role of eBay Quarter. Back

1:16:05

to you in a minute. So then

1:16:07

while James is looking at that, I

1:16:09

asked you guys to look at a

1:16:11

video something. Did you look at that?

1:16:13

I did. I loved it. Right. So

1:16:15

when twalling through all of these Terminator

1:16:17

games, I found that there was an

1:16:19

MS-dos version of the game released by

1:16:21

Bethesda in 1991. Now I don't, I

1:16:23

don't, I'm not clever enough to work

1:16:25

out how to play MS-Doss games or

1:16:27

how to load abandoned wear anymore without

1:16:30

downloading some horrible virus. So I went

1:16:32

to YouTube and it's only half an

1:16:34

hour long and I thought it was

1:16:36

amazing. I'm surprised it wasn't an Amiga

1:16:38

game as well because I thought it

1:16:40

was, it like a... It reminded me

1:16:42

of a game called Hunter which I

1:16:44

mentioned on a previous world ages ago.

1:16:46

It's that kind of 3D, very simple,

1:16:48

but blocky, but also quite revolutionary as

1:16:50

well in its own way. I thought

1:16:52

it was quite impressive. I have to

1:16:54

say and I like to, I wasn't

1:16:57

sure if you were walking or you

1:16:59

were in a car or something because

1:17:01

I'm not sure. He kind of sometimes

1:17:03

in the car and sometimes you know.

1:17:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, again for people

1:17:07

who haven't seen this, it's a 3D

1:17:09

game, and it's a bit like GTA,

1:17:11

it's a bit less people walking around

1:17:13

and stuff, it's like an open world

1:17:15

LA, you can either be Reese or

1:17:17

the Terminator, but apparently I was going

1:17:19

through the comments and there's no point

1:17:22

being Reese, you just die straight away.

1:17:24

So, good news. So the play through

1:17:26

that's on YouTube is the one where

1:17:28

you're just the Terminator. And it's got,

1:17:30

like, like, sound bites. from the movie.

1:17:32

It's got music from the movie. You

1:17:34

can go to the gun shop and

1:17:36

it has the bit about the plasma

1:17:38

rifle. it has like, like, 41 range.

1:17:40

Yeah, it has, like, it has all

1:17:42

of that CD. It must have been

1:17:44

the CD game. It must have been

1:17:46

the CDMS doc game. But it has

1:17:49

all of that in. But it also

1:17:51

has him, him saying Haster La Vista,

1:17:53

baby. Hold on. Yeah, get a bit

1:17:55

previous there. Do you know what I

1:17:57

mean? This is right. So what they've

1:17:59

done is, they've got the license, and

1:18:01

they've got some sound bites from Terminator

1:18:03

at it. I guess the concept of

1:18:05

it is really interesting because you can

1:18:07

actually be the terminator and try and

1:18:09

like systematically do these things so it

1:18:11

wants you to like steal a car

1:18:14

and then go to this place and

1:18:16

then there's bits where you have to

1:18:18

kind of like kill lots of people

1:18:20

and you know you go to the

1:18:22

gun store and It's what it's kind

1:18:24

of what I think a perfect Terminator

1:18:26

movie, a Terminator game would be like,

1:18:28

or what it should be like, this

1:18:30

kind of like this kind of framework.

1:18:32

I just want to see if you

1:18:34

guys would agree with that. What would

1:18:36

be in your, yeah, what would be

1:18:38

in your kind of, what else would

1:18:41

be in your perfect Terminator game? Before

1:18:43

we do that, did you look into

1:18:45

the details of that game? Much. Not

1:18:47

really. So the game takes place within

1:18:49

a 10 by 6 mile 3D rendered

1:18:51

area of Central Los Angeles for reals.

1:18:53

It runs from Beverly Drive to Central

1:18:55

Avenue and from Mulholland Drive to National

1:18:57

Boulevard. A game map was included in

1:18:59

the box for reference. So when you

1:19:01

said it was like GTA, yeah, pretty

1:19:03

much. Wow, that is it. And it

1:19:06

was also the first game based on

1:19:08

the Terminator. It came up before any

1:19:10

of the others. Oh wow, yeah, there

1:19:12

you go. Which is incredible. Well, there

1:19:14

was a thing, wasn't there about, there

1:19:16

was a sort of surprise at the

1:19:18

fact that it took so long to

1:19:20

get any game out. for a film

1:19:22

because there was nothing that appeared in

1:19:24

the 80s. Nothing on the spectrum anything.

1:19:26

It took so long to get I

1:19:28

don't know what the but and it

1:19:30

just surprises me as well that you've

1:19:33

got like something in 93 for example

1:19:35

which was the say CD one. The

1:19:37

second one's come and gone nine years

1:19:39

and the second one's already been released

1:19:41

like what are you doing? I mean

1:19:43

I get obviously there's you know people

1:19:45

would go back I suppose and then

1:19:47

because of the richness of the story

1:19:49

people would go oh okay well watch

1:19:51

number one because you know number two

1:19:53

references this this this and this so

1:19:55

you go back and watch it which

1:19:58

absolutely fine but you're relying on a

1:20:00

lot of people doing that for interest

1:20:02

in the game so maybe that was

1:20:04

part of the reason why It just

1:20:06

I mean obviously some of the games

1:20:08

are stinkers, but did you find how

1:20:10

much I could buy a you could

1:20:12

buy an unboxed One for nine pounds.

1:20:14

Oh well you can buy a boxed

1:20:16

one for 1799. Oh wow nice well

1:20:18

I'll buy the nine pound one I'll

1:20:20

smash up and put it in a

1:20:22

frame and job done. Thank you. Any

1:20:25

other thoughts on perfect Terminator game before?

1:20:27

I used to play ones from I

1:20:29

think it's called SkyNet the one I

1:20:31

mainly played but there was a few

1:20:33

FBS games made by the Vesta. Yeah

1:20:35

actually We can't talk about those on

1:20:37

this part, but some of those are

1:20:39

very good. Is it future? Future short.

1:20:41

I mainly played Skynet, which only is

1:20:43

the first one in the series. So

1:20:45

for me, if I'm thinking Terminator, I'm

1:20:47

thinking FPS personally. It's what I mainly

1:20:50

played. So all out kind of action,

1:20:52

rather than future shock. When you said

1:20:54

Terminator games, future shock was the one

1:20:56

that popped into my head because I

1:20:58

played that the most. That was one

1:21:00

completely set in the future. I don't

1:21:02

know, I like the idea of like

1:21:04

a modern action game though based on

1:21:06

the first movie. If you think of

1:21:08

the stalker characters in like Resident Evil

1:21:10

2 or 3, you know, but over

1:21:12

the shoulder. Yeah, but then constantly coming

1:21:14

up. I could imagine how good those

1:21:17

bum pants would look in an orient.

1:21:19

You would see all the p-stains. You

1:21:21

would see all the p-stains on that.

1:21:23

Yeah, so yeah. I would play that.

1:21:25

That's all good and very ugly. Do

1:21:27

you want the good news or the

1:21:29

bad news? Bad first. No, we'll start

1:21:31

with the good news. Oh come on.

1:21:33

No, who starts with? good news

1:21:35

good news is I'm

1:21:37

obviously going to

1:21:39

do a to do a

1:21:42

The bad news is

1:21:44

that the that much,

1:21:46

much is much much worse. Yeah.

1:21:48

So... Oh no. Let's put up on

1:21:50

my head. my head. and

1:21:52

the more the more

1:21:54

bad. if you you think,

1:21:56

there's one obviously very

1:21:58

good Terminator 2 game,

1:22:00

but then 2 game, but

1:22:02

then managed to do

1:22:04

a worse job

1:22:06

with T2 across the

1:22:09

board, which I

1:22:11

find amazing. I But

1:22:13

anyway, we'll leave that

1:22:15

for another day.

1:22:17

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