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I'm Kristen Davis, and I want

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2:04

So when you think about, I

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mean, I have so many questions,

2:08

I don't even know where to

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start, but like, if you think

2:12

about, can you remember before, Miranda?

2:14

And you would just go about

2:16

your life and no one would

2:18

recognize you, or people would randomly

2:20

recognize you from different things. What

2:22

was it like, in terms of

2:24

being in the world? You mean

2:26

before our show? Yeah. because I

2:28

was in this pretty successful movie

2:30

when I was 12. Right. I

2:32

haven't, uh, no, no, uh, Little

2:34

Darlings. Little Darlings, got it. Later,

2:36

later, but also, I mean, Oscar.

2:38

Oscar, right. So I always had

2:40

a certain, very manageable number of

2:42

people. Got it. Recognizing. But so

2:44

it was like comfortable. It was

2:46

like a little, a little salt.

2:48

Sure. It wasn't like an entire

2:50

meatloaf. It was like a little

2:52

salt. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. And

2:54

then, do you remember when when

2:56

the show started to air and

2:58

people started to watch it? More

3:00

than half, like three quarters of

3:02

the people that would come up

3:04

to us were black men? No.

3:06

Remember this? No. It was so...

3:08

I mean... Fascinating. And I don't

3:10

think it was just me because

3:12

we've all we all used to

3:14

talk about it. It was well

3:16

in the very beginning days. Uh-huh.

3:18

It was like, surely you're not

3:20

our demographic, right? What's going on?

3:22

But amazing. But it was fantastic.

3:24

Maybe it was the guys who

3:27

wanted to watch the boxing on

3:29

HBO. That's what it was. Oh,

3:31

wow. It was the live sports

3:33

event. Right. So it had a

3:35

very mail and I don't know.

3:37

In terms of the sexuality stuff,

3:39

like the actual sex scenes, you

3:41

know, and I struggled with this

3:43

myself, which is coming up is

3:45

when I locked myself in the

3:47

dressing room, but it hasn't happened

3:49

yet. Did you think about, I

3:51

mean, you were very fearful. Not

3:53

afraid at all times in the

3:55

sex scenes to the point where

3:57

I would be like, maybe I

3:59

need to go and Cynthia is

4:01

filming sex scenes so that I

4:03

can tell Eigenberg, do you not

4:05

grab her breast like that? Remember

4:07

this? I was like, why do

4:09

you grab your breast like that?

4:11

You're just like, what are you

4:13

talking about? I'm like, it's just

4:15

not attractive. It's like, it's too

4:17

hard. audience or is this for

4:19

the female audience? Do you what

4:21

I'm saying like? Yeah. I guess

4:23

I always, I always thought it

4:25

was kind of, I always thought

4:27

that it was for the female

4:29

audience primarily, but I thought it

4:31

was like, it's like, maybe this

4:33

is a crazy simile, but it's

4:35

kind of like birth control, right?

4:37

It's like really important for us

4:39

as women to have birth control.

4:41

But like, and the guys are

4:43

like, you've got birth control? This

4:45

is fantastic. We can have sex.

4:47

You're interested in having sex? Right?

4:49

This is, you know? It's kind

4:51

of like, I mean, I feel

4:53

like it was so empowering. And

4:55

maybe it was a little on

4:57

steroids from the reality for most

4:59

women. But it was happening out

5:01

there. And so men. You know,

5:03

I think for men it was

5:05

like a, like it was not

5:07

only a wonderful peek into the

5:09

secret world, which was fascinating, but

5:11

it was also like, there is

5:13

this very old, and it has

5:15

some truth to it, but it's

5:17

not the entire truth, right? There

5:19

is some sense of like, women

5:21

use sex as a tool to

5:23

get commitment, right? And it's like

5:25

for men to be. shown this

5:27

world and these people. It's like,

5:29

actually, you know what? who just

5:31

really like having sex with you.

5:33

Right. Right. It's sort of, I

5:35

think, a wonderful thing for men

5:37

to learn because they had been

5:39

told the opposite so many times.

5:41

That's true. And I do feel,

5:43

unfortunately, weirdly, like that's still out

5:45

there in a strange way. Well,

5:47

and it's not completely untrue. I

5:49

mean, yeah. Both things are true.

5:51

I guess that's true. I mean,

5:53

the thing that's funny to me,

5:55

though, is like, if you think

5:57

about then and then you think

5:59

about now, like, you know, hookup

6:01

culture, like young, it's very, very

6:03

more advanced, like the dating apps.

6:05

Yes, or whatever, blah, blah, blah,

6:08

right? Obviously, I don't know. And

6:10

I guess my, my thing that

6:12

seems to me... different than our

6:14

show, right, is like women can

6:16

and always have had a lot

6:18

of sex. But I think not

6:20

a hundred percent of the time,

6:22

but by and large, the sex

6:24

that these four women were having

6:26

was not to try and get

6:28

meant like that. That's a good

6:30

point, yeah. And so that's what

6:32

I worry about the hookup culture

6:34

now. It's like... You think you're

6:36

very liberated because you're having a

6:38

lot of sex, but are you,

6:40

do you want to be, are

6:42

you enjoying the sex? Are you

6:44

having sex because you want to,

6:46

or are you having sex to

6:48

try to get something? To try

6:50

and get, like a different version

6:52

of like trying to get a

6:54

ring. It's like. Does he like

6:56

me? Right, right, right? And that's

6:58

so universal. Will you not call

7:00

me if I don't do this?

7:02

Which is like so Charlotte also

7:04

with the, with the, you know,

7:06

off the butt thing, right? Like

7:08

she, because she doesn't want to

7:10

do it, you know, right? She

7:12

really likes that guy, you know,

7:14

and then, and she thinks like

7:16

he's just gonna break up with

7:18

her or not marry her or

7:20

whatever. It's like so crazy, right,

7:22

right, right? Right, right, right, right,

7:24

right, right, right, right, right, right,

7:26

right, right, right, right, right, right,

7:28

right, right, right, right, right, right,

7:30

right, right, right, right, right, right,

7:32

right, right, right, right, right. he's

7:34

going to break up with her

7:36

if she doesn't do it, but

7:38

also, she's not really at the

7:40

moment interested in it, right, as

7:42

a thing in and of itself,

7:44

but also it's like, but if

7:46

I do do this... Will he

7:48

respect me? Will he never marry

7:50

me? Right, and also, because Samantha

7:52

very smartly in the car is

7:54

like in the cab, she's like,

7:56

you know, and you talk about

7:58

the power dynamics, like it's like,

8:00

it's super fascinating, I mean... We're

8:02

touching on all of it, you

8:04

know, in such a good way

8:06

that I do feel like is

8:08

still true. You know, like are

8:10

you doing it because you want

8:12

to do it, but also you

8:14

need to think about like someone's

8:16

going to give up the power

8:18

and you might have more power,

8:20

but you might have less power.

8:22

Like it's super fascinating and still,

8:24

I think, so interestingly true. Right,

8:26

right. And I think, you know,

8:28

if you think about Samantha, who

8:30

is like the most empowered, right?

8:32

The most sexually free, but also

8:34

just the most empowered, right? Yes.

8:36

But there are, you know, you

8:38

see the pain that she had,

8:40

like particularly when she's dating Richard.

8:42

Yeah, so we haven't gotten there

8:44

yet, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

8:46

yeah, yeah. That there is, even

8:48

for the strongest character, you know,

8:51

well, even in Valley of the

8:53

20-something guys, you know, she's with

8:55

the chef guy, do you remember

8:57

that he's like lanky, he's got

8:59

like long floppy hair, and then

9:01

she'll always be older. Yes, right,

9:03

that cut, for me, that cut

9:05

deep, you know, I mean, it's

9:07

so interesting how many small moments

9:09

we have in almost every episode

9:11

that I'm like that I'm like.

9:13

Well that's and that's the thing

9:15

that was so great about the

9:17

show you know is that because

9:19

again people saying like that a

9:21

feminist show but you're wearing high

9:23

heels and sexy outfits like right

9:25

yeah it's like one of the

9:27

great things about the show is

9:29

that all of the characters not

9:31

the least of Kerry you know

9:33

are all deeply flawed and make

9:35

bad decisions yes so you know

9:37

I love Wonder Woman I've always

9:39

loved Wonder Woman. Yes, we love

9:41

that you love. But I... I

9:43

have my Wonder Woman back here

9:45

today, but I know and I

9:47

have always known that Wonder Woman

9:49

is a very two-dimensional figure. Good

9:51

point. She's perfect, right. She's loving,

9:53

she's strong, she's, you name it,

9:55

she's getting an A plus. Definitely.

9:57

And I enjoy her. But I

9:59

understand, she has no dimension and

10:01

she's really not that interesting, right?

10:03

And that's the thing about all

10:05

of our both in the writing

10:07

and in the playing, the thing

10:09

that you were talking about before,

10:11

about how you have the headline

10:13

of who the character is, but

10:15

right below the headline, they're all

10:17

the contradictions and the price to

10:19

be paid, even like for Charlotte,

10:21

Charlotte is trying so hard to

10:23

buy into the fairy tale of.

10:25

being the perfect girl and doing

10:27

the right thing and winning the

10:29

gold ribbon of the of the

10:31

perfect handsome husband and the ring

10:33

right yeah but she you know

10:35

but she's constantly having that myth

10:37

kind of eaten away most definitely

10:39

and also when particularly when she

10:41

tries to get married and then

10:43

doesn't No, I know. The pie

10:45

in the face, you know, Michael

10:47

and I talked a lot about

10:49

the pie in the face and

10:51

how all of us get our

10:53

own version of the pie in

10:55

the face. We also talked about

10:57

the complexities of the character because

10:59

I do feel like there's this

11:01

crazy thing about Kerry not being

11:03

likable, which is, you know, kind

11:05

of insane because I don't know

11:07

why we would still be, you

11:09

know, like... Well, but it's why

11:11

we're so lucky to have you

11:13

playing Charlotte. Right? I mean, I

11:15

think so. All I remember at

11:17

the time, because as you know,

11:19

my life is not like Charlotte's

11:21

life, basically at all, there are

11:23

some crossovers, but I was never

11:25

interested in getting married. So like

11:27

that took a lot of work

11:29

on my part to be like,

11:31

ah, you know, but I do

11:34

think, I mean, they didn't know

11:36

this, you know, like this is

11:38

kind of the magic, there's a

11:40

certain element of magic in all.

11:42

all of our coming together, you

11:44

know, that they didn't, you know,

11:46

like we never read together. We

11:48

never really made each other. Right,

11:50

no, there's no chemistry read. I

11:52

know, no, nothing. So thank God

11:54

it worked out. Right. We do

11:56

have these characteristics that are very

11:58

good for our characters. 100% we've

12:00

got the characteristics, but then we're

12:02

also very complex people, right? And

12:04

also very different people coming together

12:06

from different places, which I think

12:08

contributed in a positive way. to

12:10

what was on screen. You don't

12:12

need to know that, right? You

12:14

just feel it when you're watching

12:16

it. Right. You know what my

12:18

mother used to say about the

12:20

show. What? She said, know what

12:22

I like about your show and

12:24

watch it. I can tell who

12:26

everyone is. They don't all look

12:28

alike. I'm not confused. That's true.

12:30

I don't know what this. I

12:32

think she's talking about how television,

12:34

because I was talking about this

12:36

a little bit too, like there

12:38

was a homogeny, you know, like

12:40

a... I mean, we're all white,

12:42

obviously, and we're all of an

12:44

age, right? It's true, but see,

12:46

even that was different, right? Because

12:48

we were all of an age.

12:50

There was no other show other

12:52

than the Golden Girls, you know?

12:54

Which, I mean, I remember going

12:56

to a late night thing, and

12:58

he goes... Oh, you know, you

13:00

guys are the new golden girls.

13:02

And I was like mad. I

13:04

was so mad. And I was

13:06

like, now I'm going to have

13:08

to go through this whole interview

13:10

mad. And then he asked me

13:12

about penis size. And I was

13:14

just like, what on earth? Like,

13:16

I just remember getting put through

13:18

so many bizarre, like embarrassing and

13:20

complex things where you will want

13:22

to be like, do you not

13:24

know that that's kind of like

13:26

offensive? Like, I guess you're trying

13:28

to be nice. There's just nothing.

13:30

There's just nothing. And because we

13:32

weren't 25, and because there were

13:34

four women, right, even though it

13:36

wasn't clear at the beginning, but

13:38

it became more and more clear,

13:40

you know, that each of us

13:42

were going to kind of get

13:44

fleshed out and have that and

13:46

have our own lane. Right. And

13:48

she would can. neckdust, you know,

13:50

with the voiceover and all that.

13:52

Oh, let's ask you this. What

13:54

did you think about talking to

13:56

the camera? I love the talking

13:58

to the camera. This is why

14:00

we love Cindy. I know Sir

14:02

Jessica always hated it. Yeah, I

14:04

love it. Why? I don't know.

14:06

I always, whether it's on film

14:08

or on stage when a character

14:10

turns and talks to me, I

14:12

love it. You love to break

14:14

the fourth wall. I like to

14:17

do it myself, but I love

14:19

to have it happen to me

14:21

as an audience member. Okay, okay.

14:23

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14:25

see it's slightly different, but you

14:27

see all those shows like, like

14:29

the Office in Modern Family and

14:31

right, where they're constantly like, looking

14:33

at the, looking at the camera.

14:35

Right, right. Well, they're doing interviews,

14:37

right, right. It's a cute little.

14:39

Yeah, I never mind. I never

14:41

mind it. I mean, I don't

14:43

enjoy those as well. I don't

14:45

really miss it. I don't really

14:47

miss it once it's gone. Right.

14:49

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14:51

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14:53

liked it. I mean, I think

14:55

it's interesting. I think it was

14:57

hard for Sarah, partly because she's

14:59

in a Matthew. Yeah. And also

15:01

because of the Matthew thing with

15:03

it, which I didn't even remember,

15:05

but it makes total sense. But

15:07

like when you watch. I think

15:09

it was the pilot or the

15:11

first episode, she's in a scene

15:13

and then the guy gets in

15:15

the cabin, she turns and talks

15:17

to the camera. Like it's a

15:19

very weird... Yeah, I never did,

15:21

I never had to do that,

15:23

but I would have loved that.

15:25

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15:27

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15:29

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15:31

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15:33

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15:35

you're trying to the camera, but

15:37

also when we used to do

15:39

all those like... Man on the

15:41

street woman on the street. Yeah,

15:43

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15:45

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15:49

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16:07

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16:09

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but I don't remember it hardly at all.

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Like I think we kind of just... I

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remember it was hard to like the people.

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It was really hard to like the people.

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Michael and I talked about this like it

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was like it was... You know I do

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reporting the things she was hearing were going

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on in this kind of certain group of

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people like the finance pros and the you

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know it was a dark as Michael put

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it a dark kind of a and the

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men had a lot of power and money

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a lot of power and money and there

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was kind of this and the women were

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wanting to be love. So Michael talks about

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when he came in that he didn't really

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know that world. You know, Darren knew it

35:26

and Candace knew it obviously, but Darren knew

35:29

it and was bringing that like when I

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watched The Modelizer, I had totally forgotten about

35:33

that sex tape thing. I was like, what

35:35

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35:37

that really happened in Candace was just reporting

35:40

about it. But like the fact that Carrie

35:42

has to sit there and be like, oh.

35:44

Do you have a light? Like it's so

35:46

crazy. But then later she does go to

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Samantha and say like, oh, you know, you

35:51

might not want to go over there. You

35:53

know, and Samantha's like, I will. Which, you

35:55

know, the thing I remember about the book

35:58

is that there are all these people. and

36:01

they're all alienated. Yeah. The men

36:03

and women are definitely alienated from

36:05

each other, they're working across purposes,

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they're not showing their hand, they're

36:09

trying to win, but they're not,

36:11

not win through, let me tell

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you what I want. Right, right,

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right. Let me hear what you

36:18

want, you know, and that there's

36:20

no sense that I remember in

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the book of the women being

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allied with other. Right. And so

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I think that that's the, I

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mean, and the, and the, and

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the pilot, which I love the

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we're all ships that pass in

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the night and we can't help

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each other and we're all kind

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of doomed. It's true, right? Yeah.

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But that's the big switch that

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makes the show, the show is

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like, we're all on our separate

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journeys and they're often disappointing or

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worse. you know, harrowing in some

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the women, we tell each other

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