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Welcome, welcome to armchair expert.

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I'm Dan Shepard and I'm

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joined by Lily Padman. Hi

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there. Today we have Aiza

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Gonzaleson. Yes. Aza is an actor.

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She is a singer. Ministry

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of Ungentlementally Warfare, Baby Driver,

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Three Body Problem, Ambulance, Bloodshot,

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in a new movie out

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that I quite enjoyed. Yeah.

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Very moon-like, as I say

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in the episode, if anyone

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remembers, that great Sam

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Rockwell movie. Called Ash.

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Yeah. I just saw something about

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Ash on... Maybe Instagram. Some friends

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had seen it and they

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were raving about it. Yeah, it's

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an intense, it's got that, as I

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think I said in the episode, it's

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Okay. I'm nervous.

2:00

Don't tell me anything negative about hot

2:02

dogs. I fear it will be

2:04

happening. Are you traumatized by this?

2:06

And this was a day that

2:08

I stopped eating hot dogs. This

2:10

is a good example of how

2:12

you, if you care about something,

2:14

you can twist it. Because, well,

2:16

tell him the fact, and then

2:18

I'll tell you how I twisted

2:20

it. Yeah. Because we were talking

2:22

about your pictures and your paintings.

2:24

So labs on sandwiches. I said,

2:26

wow, who would pick a hot

2:28

dog as... their favorite sandwich? Is

2:30

that a sandwich? That's the big

2:32

question. I used to be obsessed

2:34

with hot dogs. What were your

2:36

favorites before we ruin it? I'm

2:38

not American, so I would just

2:40

settle for a regular, whatever. Yeah,

2:42

I mean, I wish we even

2:44

had that, would have, I wish

2:46

we even had that, would have,

2:48

would you have, I wish we

2:50

even had that, would have, would

2:52

you have a street dog, or

2:54

have, or anything, from the street,

2:56

street food is like, like, everything,

2:58

that... every single piece of hot

3:00

dog has human DNA in it.

3:02

Like there's human flesh. And then

3:05

she just looked it up. On

3:07

what website? Willows.co. Is it a

3:09

dot or? It's called Hey Series

3:11

and Series AI. Okay. Hey Series,

3:13

are human DNA in hot dogs.

3:15

Also, she started in the middle.

3:17

She said, in other words, what's

3:19

before that? Yeah, what is before

3:21

that? Yeah, why did she edit

3:23

her own? Yeah, she started towards

3:25

the end of it. Oh my

3:27

God, she's getting so conscious. I

3:29

think I did have a deep

3:31

dive when I figured this whole

3:33

thing out, and it's a scary

3:35

percentage. Definitely like a 5% of

3:37

human flesh. Which is pretty high.

3:39

Hold on the hot dog. Pretty

3:41

high. We are playing it a

3:43

little fast and loose with DNA

3:45

and now human flesh. But I'm

3:47

saying that it started with flesh

3:49

and then I kind of unravel.

3:51

But if guys operate in the

3:53

grinding machine, one of their hair

3:55

strands falls in, that's human DNA.

3:57

They grind it good. I'm gonna

3:59

claim more of a Jonathan height

4:01

version, which is like this is.

4:03

This is the moral dumb founding.

4:05

We eat animals. We draw very

4:07

arbitrary distinctions between which ones we

4:09

eat and which ones we don't.

4:11

Culturally, you get it. Some more

4:13

than others. So, I mean, I

4:15

don't know. Is someone gonna get

4:17

killed so I can eat them?

4:19

Big ethical issue. I guess it

4:21

is all a mental state. For

4:23

you though, the notion of having

4:25

some human. It was a done

4:27

deal for me. Look at. Rob. Cute

4:30

while in Rob. And then look at

4:32

a pig sitting in a shit. No

4:34

disrespect. I'd be more sad than eat

4:36

him. I'd be more sad. Sad. Because

4:38

you know he's not a good boy. I

4:40

mean, he looks, I don't know him,

4:42

but he looks like boy. If I

4:45

had to compare to a little pig

4:47

who's sitting there just like. I guess

4:49

I'm just saying hygienically get Rob out

4:51

of the shower and then the pig

4:53

sitting in its shit and eat shit

4:56

and you go like, well, what would

4:58

be smarter to eat? You're not wrong.

5:00

You're an alien and you're evaluating what

5:03

are these animals am I going to

5:05

eat? One's wallowing in its shit

5:07

and another guy just hopped out of the

5:09

shower. Yeah, but humans are so gross.

5:12

It's true. It's really hard to

5:14

say. I do think that sometimes

5:16

animals can be cleaner than humans.

5:18

They like their own... booty holes.

5:20

You think that's clean? You ain't cleaning

5:22

your booty hole as much as... The hell

5:24

I'm not. A cat! He's 80% of my

5:26

shower is focused on my anus. Trust me.

5:29

And I have a brondole where I spray

5:31

water after every... And then I left out

5:33

that I also clean when I do that.

5:35

But are you like a full hand

5:38

cleaner? I'm neurotic. You go like

5:40

in. Are we talking wiping or cleansing

5:42

with water? No like in shower. Are you

5:44

like a full hand clean or you're just

5:46

like a... cost of water into it. No,

5:48

you got to get in there. There's multiple

5:50

steps. So first is I lather a ton

5:52

of soap and do a full scrub, then

5:54

I rinse, because I don't want anything gross

5:57

touching the soap, and then I go hard

5:59

with the bar. soap. Wait. And I really,

6:01

wait, wait, wait, rub the bar soap

6:03

on my in there. Not in it?

6:05

First you don't want the soap touching

6:07

it and then you use the soap

6:09

directly. No, I use soapy hands to

6:11

get the first round of whatever off.

6:13

Then I rinse everything. So now it's

6:15

pretty clean. And now I go on

6:18

with the direct bar of soap. Direct

6:20

bar of soap? Yeah, that feels... It's

6:22

kind of erotic. No, I don't know

6:24

about that. The humans being disgusted. Yeah,

6:26

that feels... Is there a morning shower?

6:28

That feels aggressive in the morning, just

6:30

a whole bar. You guys are very

6:32

judgmental of this. I'm wondering how are

6:34

you cleaning your butts? I hope not

6:36

splashing water. I'm up in there, but

6:38

I'm not a bar, girl. I'm like

6:40

a liquid soap. I'm kind of crazy

6:42

about that. I have a bar so-

6:44

And are you putting it directly on

6:47

your- I normally use hands, also a

6:49

lather, but I do get in there.

6:51

I am sure that I am really-

6:53

But I think it's for girls that's

6:55

more normal. When we were little, my

6:57

mom with her hand, very Mexican would

6:59

be like in my butt like that.

7:01

With girls, it's a bit more normal.

7:03

I feel like, by the way, I

7:05

have showered with men at one point

7:07

at one point in my life. date

7:09

Dumau? Did I see this? Yes, we

7:11

dated. Okay, I'm so envious of him

7:13

in this way. He seems effortlessly masculine.

7:15

He can't not be masculine. He just

7:18

seems to have these huge haunches. I'm

7:20

like, how much are you working out?

7:22

He's like, how much are you working

7:24

out? He's like, I don't know, occasionally.

7:26

And I'm like, you have that frame,

7:28

but I could see him in the

7:30

shower just like walking through and being

7:32

on his... I do appreciate that you

7:34

as a guy really care about it

7:36

being clean because I do think a

7:38

lot of guys don't and then they

7:40

just have skid marks and they think

7:42

who gives a buck. But really you

7:44

should care. Yeah, you really should care.

7:47

I know you should totally care. And

7:49

you should do two rounds and use

7:51

the soap. This is the cross the

7:53

board, not women or men. So my

7:55

mom's an orthodontic. Former model too, right?

7:57

Former model, yeah. So did she learn

7:59

Orthodoxia later? So it was the other

8:01

way around. So my mom won out

8:03

of eight brothers and sisters from like

8:05

a very small town and she was

8:07

the only one that got out. She

8:09

got a full scholarship in Mexico City

8:11

when she was 18 and then... Crazy

8:13

lady, she might kill me before saying

8:15

this, but she got pregnant the first

8:18

time she ever had sex with my

8:20

brother. So she was super young. She

8:22

was studying to be an orthodontist and

8:24

then she had to work because she

8:26

had to support my brother. Because that

8:28

dad did not stick around. No, he

8:30

was not around. And so she started

8:32

modeling. simultaneously because a friend of hers

8:34

was like I have some extra jobs

8:36

and then so much more money as

8:38

a model. She had a master degree

8:40

and she was orthodontist for like three

8:42

months and then she was like well

8:44

the model life is paying me more

8:47

since she did it for a very

8:49

long time. Did she do your braces?

8:51

See I never had braces. I hate

8:53

to be that person. Your teeth are

8:55

literally perfect. They look like veneers. That's

8:57

very sweet. Thank you. I really want

8:59

to get in there. I get in

9:01

there. I really want to get in

9:03

there not. In my school, did that

9:05

happen here too? Retainers, people would go

9:07

and get a retainers. All the cool

9:09

girls had those. Yeah, in middle school

9:11

it was a thing. All the cool

9:13

girls had braces and they would change,

9:15

I remember the band, Halloween that had,

9:18

and I was obsessed with it and

9:20

I was obsessed with it and I

9:22

really wanted it and I would torment

9:24

my dentist who was not my mother,

9:26

but they studied together. I've been the

9:28

hospital. in and out probably past 40

9:30

times in my life. Really? Yeah, I

9:32

was a very accident-prone kid from age

9:34

negative zero. Because you are a risk

9:36

taker or you're clumsy by nature? I

9:38

think it's a combination of both. That's

9:40

a bad combo if you're a risk

9:42

taker and you're bad balance. I mean

9:44

it was an ongoing joke constantly that

9:47

I'd be standing in fall. My mom

9:49

was like you're just standing there like

9:51

how did you fall? It's like you're

9:53

on roller skates but you're on roller

9:55

skates but you're not. Wow. And it

9:57

still looks like that? I fixed it

9:59

later. It was a mess. This is

10:01

unfair. Because I broke it at 11,

10:03

I went straight into a, remember we

10:05

had coolers outside instead of ACs? And

10:07

I ran straight into a tube at

10:09

night playing hide and seek. Five pieces,

10:11

broke it completely. Like I have a

10:13

Harry Potter scar in my forehead. One

10:16

year old, this is a table. This

10:18

is jumping in the shower. Oh my

10:20

God. Oh, I was your mom. I

10:22

would be like, I'm putting you in

10:24

a bubble. But to the dentistry of

10:26

the dentistry of the dentistry of it

10:28

all. Yes. If you brush your teeth,

10:30

you need to brush your tongue. Oh yeah.

10:32

This is the one thing I constantly see

10:35

that kills me. I'm like, I cannot kiss

10:37

you now if I've seen that you don't

10:39

scrape your tongue. You don't have tongue scrapers.

10:41

You don't have to go to the nuclear

10:44

option. And especially if you're

10:46

shoving that. piece of that part of

10:48

your face into somebody else's mouth. Yeah,

10:50

that's the least as a respect to

10:52

you. I agree. I'm gonna promote one

10:54

of my own products right now to you,

10:56

a movie called Hit and Run. Because I

10:59

directed it, I got to do the thing

11:01

I always want to do, which is in

11:03

movies, no one ever brushes or tongue. And

11:05

I brushed my tongue specifically to like gag.

11:07

That's when I know I've gotten. Yes,

11:09

because you're also taking care of

11:11

your health. Brain health. Yeah, everything.

11:14

Yeah, everything. Everything. almost throw up

11:16

and there's toothpaste everywhere and that's

11:18

in the film and I felt

11:20

like I had the first really

11:22

authentic teeth brushing. You know the one

11:25

movie also that I remember very clearing

11:27

my head when I was young and

11:29

I was like oh wow this is

11:31

realistic bring it on loved the brother

11:33

and the girl are in the bathroom.

11:35

and they're brushing their teeth and

11:38

she stays over at... Gabriel Unions?

11:40

No, that's the bad girls, the

11:42

main girls. Kirsten Dunn's. Yeah, it's

11:44

Kirsten Dunn's, and then they're brushing

11:47

their teeth with Kristen Dunn's brother, and

11:49

they're going in, it's a whole scene

11:51

of them, sort of flirting their teeth,

11:53

and she's going into the tongue. And

11:56

they kept it in. I guess it's not novel.

11:58

She didn't gag, though, did she? I don't

12:00

know. We'll have to go back and

12:02

watch for the fact check. Important, cleansing

12:04

your tongue. So your mother has your

12:06

brother who's 12 years older than you,

12:08

and she's an orthodontist turned model. When

12:10

did she meet your dad? I think

12:12

they meet when my brother's around eight.

12:14

And what did your dad do? My

12:17

dad was a graphic designer. Was he

12:19

from Mexico City? Yeah. I got a

12:21

side note. We went for the first

12:23

time over Christmas and I cannot believe

12:25

how much I loved it. It's incredible,

12:27

right? Right? I love to see what's

12:29

happened with Mexico City because when I

12:31

moved to the U.S. 10 years ago.

12:33

We're saying that everything for us is

12:35

10 years ago, even though we've been

12:37

here for like probably six decades. When

12:39

I moved here, every time I said

12:41

I was from Mexico, they're like, how's

12:44

Mexico? Like, I feel like a lot

12:46

of people were sort of on the

12:48

fence of going. And in the past

12:50

seven to eight years. It's changed so

12:52

drastically. Every time I say I'm from

12:54

Mexico, someone says, my God, I love

12:56

Mexico City. Oh my God, I love

12:58

San Diego, oh my God, I love

13:00

Merida. The amount of people that have

13:02

embraced Mexico, everything progresses, and I think

13:04

that cities get better, and I definitely

13:06

feel like Mexico City, especially after COVID,

13:09

got much better because so many people

13:11

traveled to Mexico because it was open

13:13

in the middle of the day. I'm

13:15

glad that you had an amazing time.

13:17

Okay, so you seem on the service

13:19

because you went to a couple private

13:21

schools. One of those like an American

13:23

school. It was pretty privileged. I did

13:25

have in the sense of privileged education,

13:27

but with parents that worked really hard.

13:29

My school was very expensive. It was

13:31

one of the best when it came

13:33

to education, but my family wasn't wealthy

13:36

in comparison to everyone else. You know,

13:38

Carlos Slim's kids were there. We didn't

13:40

have that type of money. My mom,

13:42

you know, was truly the breadwinner of

13:44

the house. My dad was incredibly talented,

13:46

but not very successful at businesses. And

13:48

so he was an incredible... Father figure

13:50

to me because he spent a lot

13:52

of physical time with me and his

13:54

priority number one for me was education

13:56

because he didn't get that and so

13:58

he really wanted me to be like

14:01

a lawyer. a doctor. I hope you've

14:03

played a lawyer or a doctor. I

14:05

have. I played a scientist in an

14:07

AMT. So it was how you did

14:09

it for him. What was the American

14:11

school? It's interesting. So I went half

14:13

of my life to an American school.

14:15

Is that just mean English school? Yes,

14:17

people that flew from America, all their

14:19

kids were there. Or people that worked

14:21

for the embassies and stuff like that.

14:23

And then my other half of my

14:25

education, I went to a British. School

14:28

American meant it was full English all

14:30

day long no Spanish. So I had

14:32

geography math chemistry everything in English So

14:34

I was fully fluent in English since

14:36

I was a baby. I don't even

14:38

remember learning another language and your parents

14:40

put in that effort because they just

14:42

wanted the whole world to be open

14:44

to you? Did they specifically see you

14:46

going to the US? That was never

14:48

thought. My dad had a fixation with

14:50

languages, so he really was hyper focused

14:53

on me speaking multiple languages, and I

14:55

do. I was his only daughter and

14:57

his only kid. My dad really didn't

14:59

want any artistic sort of influence in

15:01

my life in the sense of like

15:03

music. And my mom was a naughty

15:05

one who would take me to dance

15:07

or singing and he was like stop

15:09

distracting her from 17 different languages. Oh

15:11

wow. You went to Italy at 10

15:13

for a minute to learn Italian? Yeah,

15:15

so my family lives in Italy. Your

15:17

extended family. From my mom's side. I

15:20

went to Trento to learn Italian when

15:22

I was little. Wow. Have you done

15:24

a 23 and me? I actually have

15:26

it, because I'm paranoid of human DNA,

15:28

as you can tell. Oh, yeah, yeah,

15:30

you really want to know about your

15:32

own human DNA. But I should, because

15:34

I do know that I have a

15:36

little bit of everything. Yeah, what do

15:38

you think you have? Because mind you

15:40

what I thought I had didn't prove

15:42

out in the data. Have you done

15:45

it? Yeah, we had to do it,

15:47

and I'm 100% Indian. Pure. I was

15:49

like, what? Yeah. That is, with all

15:51

due respect, such an American thing. Yeah,

15:53

tell us, you guys don't do that

15:55

in Mexico. I'd be like, I'm from

15:57

Deafe. You'd be like, I'm from. Like

15:59

I've never in my life thought of

16:01

this. So I would be so wrong.

16:03

I would have thought it would

16:05

have been even perhaps more fetishized

16:08

there because you have this mestizo

16:10

population and then this European influence

16:12

and there has been some kind

16:14

of status hierarchy a little bit

16:16

derived from that now. Yes and

16:18

no. We're all sort of in agreement

16:20

that we all know that there were

16:22

some sort of mix. It's settled. We

16:24

got conquered. The conquistaders came in, took

16:27

us. We had some Jewish communities coming

16:29

in from this side, some German on

16:31

that side, in the best way possible.

16:33

It's a new country type of mentality.

16:35

America is the land of immigrants, right?

16:37

It's the concept of it. So everyone's

16:39

identify by where they came. I don't

16:42

want to talk about other countries specifically,

16:44

but I feel for Mexico, we were

16:46

just all like... Yeah, we're Mexican. We

16:48

didn't really care if we're

16:50

like more astic, more Mayan.

16:52

Exactly. We're just proud to

16:54

be Mexican. Yeah, it's the

16:57

search for identity here that

16:59

you're right is in young

17:01

country sort of thing. But

17:03

also it's a college application

17:05

thing. I think that's what

17:07

most people start to really

17:09

do the deep dive. So they're like,

17:11

so are we legally able to contractually

17:13

cast you because... you're not Mexican enough?

17:15

I did definitely have an identity crisis

17:17

when I moved here. It did throw

17:19

me off for a second because I

17:22

never really asked these questions myself. I

17:24

was just always glaringly Mexican in my

17:26

eyes and it was just fine. And

17:28

so when I came here people were

17:30

like, but you're not a Mexican because

17:32

you don't speak. Right. So if mom

17:34

had family in Italy, had they moved

17:36

from Mexico to Italy, married into

17:39

Italian, that makes sense. But also

17:41

my mom's blonde with blue eyes. So

17:43

she might not be Aztec. But she is.

17:45

Right. That's when like, to me, so funny,

17:47

when they're like, but your mom's blonde?

17:49

I'm like, yeah, it's fine. She is

17:51

what you're talking about. There's colors

17:53

in the world in different countries. Like

17:56

it's okay. I have an array of

17:58

friends who are blonde and full. Mexican

18:00

outside of the fun part of it.

18:02

It definitely made me really anxious when

18:04

I moved here because my value is

18:06

really tied to that and I understand

18:08

now why I think it is a

18:10

cultural thing. I don't know the chicken

18:12

or the egg of where it started

18:14

in this place, but people feel a

18:17

responsibility to justify or explain there's dissent

18:19

and I find that quite interesting, psychologically.

18:21

Annoying? No, because I don't judge. You're

18:23

the effective circumstances, but... It made me

18:25

insecure. You know it's interesting, this is

18:27

a bizarre thing to say, but I

18:29

kind of think it's good, but it

18:31

does tread on this notion of people

18:33

pretending their color blind, which is also

18:35

bullshit. But yeah, I was watching Ash

18:38

last night. You watched Ash? Yeah, oh

18:40

my goodness. Yeah, I loved Ash last

18:42

night. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I loved

18:44

it. We'll get to anyone that has

18:46

watched it. Oh yeah. This happens to

18:48

me more and more frequently now when

18:50

I'm watching movies. I'm watching movies. If

18:52

I hadn't hadn't done research on research

18:54

on you. have considered your ethnicity in

18:56

any capacity whatsoever. And I wouldn't even

18:59

guess, I wouldn't know. It was quite

19:01

irrelevant. Also, people are much more now.

19:03

mixed just as our populations much more

19:05

mixed. There's tons of people now that

19:07

I see on camera and I think

19:09

there's a good thing where it's like

19:11

if you asked me later what they

19:13

were I'd be like oh I don't

19:15

know I have no clue I wasn't

19:17

even thinking of it that's what it

19:19

should be but that's exactly how I

19:22

feel with artistry when I was in

19:24

Mexico I started in soap operas we

19:26

were all Mexican when we were playing

19:28

roles they went like oh this person

19:30

needs to be from what you can

19:32

play never existed in my head. And

19:34

I worked since I was really young.

19:36

I started when I was 1314. When

19:38

I moved here, I was 24. So

19:40

when I got here, I'd be on

19:43

the first few phone calls with my

19:45

agent, so the first few things that

19:47

I read, especially when I came here,

19:49

because it's a night and day since

19:51

I've moved here. The industry just flipped

19:53

completely. I'd be like, oh, the six

19:55

and they're like, yeah, they're looking for

19:57

more of like a more of like

19:59

a Caucasian. Caucasian. I don't even understand

20:01

what that meant. That's when I come

20:04

to being super self-conscious. Well, maybe limited.

20:06

Yes, my artistry now is limited based

20:08

on the piece of land that I

20:10

was born. And my first play was

20:12

Greece. I played Rizzo and like the

20:14

thought in my mind never passed through

20:16

that I have to be a immigrant.

20:18

So when I started transitioning to the

20:20

US market, it was really challenging and

20:22

it. It made me feel really insecure

20:24

because I felt like my artist who

20:27

was limited to playing Latin for over.

20:29

It was really stereotypical. It really deflated

20:31

my spirit because I went into it

20:33

wanting to play an astronaut or a

20:35

scientist and the first few years of

20:37

my career was really impossible even with

20:39

the blessing that I had thanks to

20:41

my parents which was having very fluent.

20:43

English. Yeah, yeah. And speaking other languages.

20:45

And I don't say it in a,

20:48

oh, poor me. To me, was life-changing

20:50

the moment that Guy Ritchie let me

20:52

play English. We could argue that there's

20:54

a million people that could have played

20:56

it better than me that were English.

20:58

Maybe a hundred thousand. I don't think

21:00

I'm really, yeah. You're like, massing, massing,

21:02

yeah. I grew up watching actors. And

21:04

then it sort of sent us to

21:06

Scarface and we were watching... and I

21:09

was like, the world that Al Pacino

21:11

was playing like Italian, but then Cuban.

21:13

And I never thought of it in

21:15

any capacity. Yeah, he's played Jewish, Italian,

21:17

Cuban. And no one said anything. And

21:19

then somehow I've been in places and

21:21

roles that if I'm not specific type

21:23

of Latina, then I'm not even being

21:25

considered. It's a very complex nuanced conversation,

21:27

right? Because you do want to create

21:30

opportunity, the Native Americans. They don't get

21:32

enough for presentation. to get opportunities and

21:34

get more chances, but I don't want

21:36

Native Americans to just play Native Americans.

21:38

I wouldn't have to play anyone. It's

21:40

just taking away the description in the

21:42

role that this should be a 24

21:44

year old white woman. Maybe it could

21:46

be. anyone, it has

21:48

gotten a ton

21:50

better. It has definitely

21:53

gotten Once that's

21:55

gone, then I think

21:57

there'll be less

21:59

of, well, this person's

22:01

Asian and they

22:03

should be native. Like

22:05

that will go

22:07

away if the opportunity

22:09

is there for

22:11

everybody. You got into acting,

22:13

dancing, painting all at 1213

22:16

because your dad died in a

22:18

motorcycle accident. I hate that

22:20

for many, many reasons. I'm sorry.

22:22

No, it's okay. And obviously

22:24

you guys were very, very close

22:26

as you already said. Super

22:28

close. And mom wanted to just

22:30

keep you busy and distracted.

22:32

Yeah. Was there space for what

22:34

you were going through? I

22:36

didn't think there was. I just looked

22:38

up to him with so much admiration. I

22:40

was daddy's little girl. Good luck, future suitors. Yes,

22:43

tell me about it. Here we

22:45

are. But when you have such an

22:47

amazing father, truly, I don't say

22:49

that lightly. It was really, really the

22:51

toughest moment in my life. I

22:53

just went into complete shock and my

22:55

mother was really, really suffering. I

22:58

look back at it and it just

23:00

feels like a, not even real

23:02

time in my life because it all

23:04

happened so fast. My mom took

23:06

me to extracurricular classes to distract me

23:08

and I went into musical theater.

23:10

And that's where it just clicked. I

23:12

think about it all the time, being a young child

23:14

and I sat my mother down and I said, I

23:16

need to have a very serious conversation. I was 12.

23:19

Yeah, I was like, we're done. I don't have to

23:21

continue studying. I'm an actress. She's

23:23

like, what are you talking about? I'm like,

23:25

I'm dropping out of school. Tiring? I'm retiring

23:27

from school. I'm dropping out and we're full

23:29

on going into this. And I don't know

23:31

what type of crack cocaine was she on.

23:33

That she allowed me to do it because

23:35

she saw me so happy. Well, maybe she

23:37

also was like, life is short. What's the

23:39

point of all this? How did she

23:41

take it? My guess is at 12,

23:43

you would be dealing with your own

23:46

loss, but then also trying to cheer

23:48

me up. Chad Murray. I was daddy's

23:50

little girl. Good luck, future suitors.

23:52

Yes, tell me about it. Here we

23:54

are. But when you have such an

23:56

amazing father, truly, I don't say that

23:58

lightly. I was really, really the toughest. moment

24:00

in my life I just went into

24:02

complete shock and my mother was really

24:04

really suffering. I look back at it

24:06

and it just feels like a not

24:08

even real time in my life because

24:10

it all happened so fast. My mom

24:12

took me to extracurricular classes to distract

24:15

me and I went into musical theater.

24:17

And that's where it just clicked. I

24:19

think about it all the time, being

24:21

a young child, and I sat my

24:23

mother down, and I said, I need

24:25

to have a very serious conversation. I

24:27

was 12. Yeah, I was like, we're

24:29

done. I don't have to continue

24:31

studying. I'm an actress. She's like, what are

24:33

you talking about? I'm like, I'm dropping out

24:35

of school. I'm retiring from school. I'm dropping

24:38

out, and we're full on going into this.

24:40

And I don't know what. type of crack

24:42

cocaine was she on that she allowed me

24:44

to do it because she saw me so

24:47

happy well maybe she also was like life

24:49

is short what's the point of all this

24:51

how did she take it my guess is

24:53

at 12 you would be dealing with your

24:56

own loss but then also trying to cheer

24:58

mom up or regulate mom. Yeah, I

25:00

feel so much empathy for my

25:03

younger self. Not only that, my

25:05

career was so jarring because I

25:07

got thrown into it overnight. Yeah.

25:10

And I was so young and

25:12

I was so not mentally physically

25:14

prepared. I was a

25:17

grieving, depressed, sobbing, eating compulsively

25:19

child with raging anxiety. And

25:21

that. was really challenging because

25:23

you sort of get thrown

25:25

into this child star perfection.

25:27

What age did you get

25:29

the first tele novella? 14. And

25:31

it was really overnight. Flora Sienta?

25:33

Yeah, it was called, original was Flori

25:35

Sienta, and my remake was called Lola,

25:38

once upon a time, Lola Racineau. And

25:40

it was a show from Argentina.

25:42

Originally, we shot in Mexico, but

25:44

it was the biggest show in... Literally

25:46

history of children out there and so

25:48

I got the remake and it was

25:50

a pretty big deal It was like

25:52

a national wide search and they saw

25:54

thousands of and I got it and

25:56

I was just so naive My mom

25:58

wasn't like a state mom where she

26:00

wanted me to be famous and people think

26:03

that because she was a model. But my

26:05

mother never wanted me to be in the

26:07

business. She just was letting me be, but

26:09

she never made me self-conscious about my looks,

26:11

never made me feel pressured. So I was

26:14

like a very normal 14 year old. I

26:16

was like a chubby. not polished girl. I

26:18

was not doing my makeup. I was quite

26:20

ratty and I was quite of a tomboy

26:23

because I grew up with boys because my

26:25

brother's 13 years older than me. The shock

26:27

was really aggressive because overnight they were like,

26:29

wow, she's so ugly, she's fat, she's not

26:32

talented. My dad had been passed for

26:34

like less than a year, a year

26:36

and a half. I was so excited because

26:38

I loved what I did. It was

26:40

so... earnest. I loved singing. It was

26:42

the only moment that I felt happy.

26:44

Yeah. Can I ask really quick? What

26:46

was the work schedule of that? Brutal.

26:48

So studying and set, school, working 17

26:50

hours a day. So they don't have

26:53

the same laws? No. Yeah, no, no.

26:55

And you're shooting like 15-20 scenes a

26:57

day. Because it's soap style, right? Yeah.

26:59

It's a machine. And then I would get

27:01

on the plane. Right after I would finish

27:04

on Friday, straight to tour. So I'd

27:06

tour Friday, Saturday, Sunday, get back Monday.

27:08

It goes for years. So you started

27:10

reading about yourself on the internet?

27:12

Yeah, I was brutal. I went into a

27:14

heavy depression. Because this would have been 2004

27:16

or 2005, and so you could go online

27:18

and what was my space? My space there

27:20

we go I remember it like it was

27:22

yesterday so they did this presentation they've been

27:25

waiting to see who the girl was because

27:27

it was like a really big show it

27:29

was like the American office it was like

27:31

who's gonna be in the American office exactly

27:33

it was the equivalent I would say like

27:35

Hannah Montana right this major presentation where like

27:37

came out on a stage and they put

27:40

me in these crazy dress I looked insane

27:42

and I didn't really know I was gonna

27:44

myself into it was just happy to be

27:46

there just a happy to be happy to

27:48

be there Ripping into me.

27:50

God, it's so embarrassing.

27:52

40-year-old men and women

27:55

being like, wow, she's

27:57

so ugly. She's fat.

27:59

Wow. she's not even talented

28:01

it was ruthless looking back at it

28:03

because now we've become so aware of

28:06

like you can't talk like this not

28:08

in Mexico you're talking about like real

28:10

third world country type of shit and

28:12

it was never ending you never got

28:15

the looks or the body they were hoping

28:17

you to get or talent or smart

28:19

and if I'd said something I was

28:21

the worst if I didn't respond I

28:23

was conceded you're already so

28:25

self-conscious as a teeny at four

28:27

teas I went crazy I remember when

28:29

I was 23 and I got a

28:31

nose job and then they were like,

28:33

look at her, now I was insecure.

28:35

And then I was uglier and then

28:37

now I had all this done to

28:40

myself and then they went doctor photos

28:42

and sell them to sell papers and

28:44

we didn't have law of defamation of

28:46

character in Mexico, a president removed it.

28:48

So you couldn't sue. So you had

28:50

to like let it go, you couldn't

28:52

fight the magazines. So it haunted me

28:54

for it. So my life was always

28:56

sort of... terrifying. I moved here

28:58

escaping that. I didn't even

29:00

want to cross over to America.

29:02

There was an event too. It's

29:04

a juicy event, Monica. It is

29:07

really funny. You were on Lola

29:09

too. You see another show Lola.

29:11

I'm in the Morez Per d'Averos,

29:13

which is another soap opera. It's

29:15

like the bodyguard. I fall in

29:17

love with the bodyguard. My mom

29:19

falls in love simultaneously

29:22

with the bodyguard. Oh my god.

29:24

And they're all hot. Yeah. I

29:26

love very attractive bodyguards. But you had

29:28

a boyfriend. How long were you guys together at

29:30

that point? I try to forget. Okay. But

29:32

I think it'd been like two years. At

29:34

20 years old. So that's 10% of

29:36

your life. That's a huge chunk of

29:38

your life when you think about it

29:40

that way. And she sees a headline

29:42

one morning. Oh no. Her boyfriend has

29:45

a sex tape. Oh my. But Molly

29:47

is not in it. I'm not in

29:49

it. Was he famous too? Was he

29:51

an actor? No. Oh my God, this

29:53

time of my life. This is awful.

29:55

My life is really like a soap

29:57

opera. Yeah, it's like life art. Yeah.

30:00

Like maybe you should make a movie

30:02

like The Disaster Artist. Oh what

30:04

would be great is if your

30:06

boyfriend was your bodyguard at that

30:08

time? Oh my god. I should

30:10

have just cheated with my bodyguard.

30:12

Very Sam. So he was a

30:14

owner of restaurants and the nightlife

30:16

kind of guy. It was really

30:18

funny because someone's not

30:20

funny for him. He's gonna hate

30:22

me for this. I'm so sorry.

30:24

Doesn't seem like you need to

30:27

apologize. Oh boy. And so I remember

30:29

he emailed. He didn't email you preemptively

30:31

going, this is coming out. He

30:33

waited until you found out from

30:35

the press. In Mexico, you

30:37

don't know. Again, no defamation.

30:39

It's wild, wild west. With

30:41

people complain about the UK

30:43

press. I'm like, live in

30:45

Mexico's press for... Three months.

30:48

If you survive, I will

30:50

applaud you. That then makes

30:52

you like a different type

30:54

of person. And so he

30:56

emailed. This was a really

30:58

funny story. A lot happens.

31:00

Chaos, drama, I don't pick

31:02

up the phone. I'm screaming.

31:04

And so he thinks that

31:06

the best idea is to

31:08

send this email where he sees

31:10

he's my brother, my mother, his

31:12

whole family. Oh, yeah. And the

31:15

title was like, let me explain

31:17

or something. To not get into

31:19

detail, he's like going back and

31:21

forth about how this sex tape

31:24

wasn't while being with me. The

31:26

comparison was him and his underwear and

31:28

sending screenshots of the sex tape to

31:30

my mom. I don't know if I

31:32

would see someone's brother or not. I

31:35

don't have that tattoo. He's pointing out

31:37

tattoos. And I am just like, what

31:39

are you? So he mounted a defense

31:41

to your whole family. So a whole

31:43

defense, which maybe if I was in that

31:45

situation I would have done the same

31:47

thing. I don't know if I would see

31:50

someone's brother with my body naked and

31:52

photos of before and after like a selfie

31:54

of him with his underwear. And my brother

31:56

just sent me a mess and he

31:58

said, what's going on. I have photos

32:00

of this guy naked on my email.

32:02

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32:05

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34:34

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34:36

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34:38

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that it was from an era that

35:54

you weren't together? Did the tattoos prove

35:56

his... Yes. Because this actually happened to

35:58

me. One of these trashy magazines ran

36:00

this article about me. saying I had

36:02

hooked up with this girl while I

36:04

was dating Kristen. I did hook up

36:07

with that girl, but it was way

36:09

before I met Kristen. And luckily, I

36:11

have a tattoo in it that I

36:13

had covered right before I met. So

36:15

this is like a sensitive subject to

36:17

you. For me, it really was that

36:20

it was a lie. And thank God

36:22

the tattoo absolve me of that, because

36:24

Kristen met me and I had already

36:26

had that one covered. It wasn't a

36:28

sex tape. It was just a sex

36:30

tape. They do make up so much.

36:32

And she lied to them for sure.

36:35

This woman had sold stories about three

36:37

other people. She also banged an A-A.

36:39

I met her an A-A. And she

36:41

was out of money and she's getting

36:43

high and this is a four story.

36:45

That's horrible. She just lied to them.

36:48

I guess they believed her. Did you

36:50

send new photos of you to compare

36:52

them to your wife? To Chris and

36:54

dad immediately. I got hard and I

36:56

sent Tom a picture. Well I didn't

36:58

want him to think I was a

37:01

loser. Sure, of course. I've said the

37:03

story before because it's a Phoenix story

37:05

and I always bring this to my

37:07

dad's death. You couldn't think of something

37:09

more tragic than losing more tragic than

37:11

losing a parent. And my father would

37:14

have never let me be an actress.

37:16

You would have had to fight him

37:18

and have a big separation for him.

37:20

Yeah, it never happened. I was convinced

37:22

that his narrative was my narrative. And

37:24

I say with all the love, because

37:26

he didn't mean it in a mean

37:29

way, but he wanted the best for

37:31

his daughter and he thought economy, making

37:33

money, artistry, modeling, acting, didn't sound like...

37:35

You had some Ohio. That was it.

37:37

And still, by the way, we're not

37:39

a lot that are from Mexico that

37:42

crossed over. Yeah. And so when I

37:44

did that, I thought amazing, positive things

37:46

can happen from horrific situations. And that's

37:48

kind of been my life. Thanks to

37:50

that, I moved here, I rented a

37:52

little bedroom. And my mom had the

37:55

brilliant idea. I'd always wanted to act

37:57

here, but I never thought it was

37:59

like a reality. I studied in Lee

38:01

Strasbourg and they educated us that you

38:03

need an agent, you need a manager,

38:05

you need a lawyer. And then I

38:08

was like, I have no into any

38:10

of this. And she said to me,

38:12

I've heard about this thing. It's called

38:14

IMDB pro, have you heard of it?

38:16

I was like, mom, you need a

38:18

manager, an agent, and she's like, no

38:21

I heard, I can put my email

38:23

under your profile, and then, and then,

38:25

and then, and then, and then we

38:27

can get auditions. And then, I was,

38:29

I was, I was, I was, I

38:31

was, I was, I was, I was,

38:33

I was, I was, I was, I

38:36

was, I was, I was, I was,

38:38

I was, I was, I was, I

38:40

was, I was, I was, I was,

38:42

I was, I was, I was, I,

38:44

big brutal thing. I was already the

38:46

black sheep in the business. People loved

38:49

to like really hate me, which was

38:51

always interesting because I never understood why.

38:53

Well, I think still this happens here.

38:55

People pick a villain or a scapegoat.

38:57

And if you're a woman, I think

38:59

at the time, the way you see

39:02

me, I come in strong and confident

39:04

and I think that the confidence. was

39:06

off putting, they liked a woman that

39:08

they would kind of bully. Well they

39:10

also want to see young actors just

39:12

exude gratitude. Which I did, but I

39:15

think I didn't do it in the

39:17

way because I always felt like I

39:19

had to defend myself constantly about something

39:21

that I hadn't done. And that's how

39:23

I felt here too for many years.

39:25

There was this underlying I always needed

39:27

wanted. to be here through a man

39:30

or because I was dating someone disregarding

39:32

my 10 year career in Mexico because

39:34

for people that was irrelevant. When I

39:36

started dating Josh, they would write, I

39:38

was using him and I've always wanted

39:40

to talk about this publicly but I've

39:43

never found where to do it in

39:45

a safe space. They sort of tied

39:47

this desperation to me as a Latin

39:49

woman like I was coming and wanting

39:51

to cross over when I had already

39:53

had a career and funny enough they

39:56

would say that I would say that

39:58

I would call or tip-off paparazzisis. percent

40:00

of the poparots. and the kitchens and

40:02

the ballets. Who works the kitchens? Who

40:04

works the valets? Oh yeah, Mexicans? Yeah.

40:07

And I had 10 years of

40:09

a career in Mexico. I was

40:11

huge in Mexico. So every time

40:13

I'd walk into a restaurant or

40:15

go somewhere, they would call. They

40:17

knew. They knew. Yeah, right. But

40:19

because people here didn't know who

40:22

I was, they were like, who

40:24

is this weird bitch who came

40:26

out of nowhere? She's calling the

40:28

paparazzi. said in a way that was

40:30

incriminating of something that I wasn't doing and

40:32

it stayed for long and it was this

40:34

sort of sense of the experience of being

40:37

an immigrant. I wasn't worthy of being

40:39

here. Is it possible you were also

40:41

inflating how big this narrative was? I

40:43

think that when you're incriminated of something

40:46

that you're not doing it always feels

40:48

that way. really frustrated how to navigate

40:50

it because I'm a person that would

40:52

be like, that's completely fucking untrue. So

40:55

I don't even care. But at the

40:57

same time, I was being guided to

40:59

like not engage into it because you're

41:01

feeding it. Maybe it wasn't as big.

41:03

But I felt injustice, complete character assassination

41:06

of who I am. You're selling someone

41:08

that I'm not. I hate people that

41:10

get... incriminated for things that

41:12

they didn't do. In criminal justice, when

41:14

people get wrongly convicted, it boil my

41:16

blood. I have the same thing. It

41:18

really gets under my skin. When someone's

41:20

miscalculated or misjudged. When they talk about

41:22

people publicly, it's so triggering for me.

41:24

It drives me nuts because I've been

41:26

that person. To add to your point,

41:28

I worked really hard. I didn't let

41:30

that define me. Yeah, yeah. And I

41:33

cried in silence many days to just

41:35

not let it. become who I was

41:37

because it was really prevalent at the

41:39

beginning of my career. I also was

41:41

dating and I didn't want to stop

41:43

my dating life because I was looking

41:45

for love. I would have fallen for him

41:47

in one second. I think I did as

41:49

a guy. Yeah. He was my crush when

41:51

I was little. You dated your celebrity crush

41:53

too. And it's exciting. You're like 23. Sorry,

41:55

I'm not smarter at the time to be

41:57

like, you know what, I'm above this. No!

42:00

It's just to say like

42:02

the interesting of perception versus

42:04

reality. Yeah. So mom put

42:06

you on IMDB Pro and

42:09

then, impossibly, Mary Vernu calls

42:11

you in to read for

42:13

Dustle Dawn reboot. Mary Vernu,

42:16

by the way, is another

42:18

person. She's in the same

42:20

camp. As Allison Jones. She's.

42:22

She's just calling through. I

42:24

mean, talk about someone's doing their work.

42:27

They're on IMDB to find you without

42:29

a manager and agent. So random, you know

42:31

who found me was Robert Rodriguez. He was

42:33

watching TV and he saw me in Univision.

42:35

I was on some awards and he saw

42:38

me speaking English and he said, Mary Finer.

42:40

And so I was in Mexico in the

42:42

middle of a bridal shoot. I'm wearing a

42:44

ginormous bride dress and I had a flip

42:46

phone that I had. bought at the OXO,

42:48

like a 7-Eleven, to have an American number,

42:50

because I was starting in Strasbourg, so I

42:53

had a 9-1-7. I opened my flip phone,

42:55

I have a text from Mary Renou, and

42:57

I'm like, who's this? She's like, I'm a

42:59

casting director, I'm like, okay? She's like, can you tape

43:01

yourself? So I tape myself against the wall with a

43:03

wedding dress on the bottom? Oh, my God. I'm like

43:05

a t-shirt on the next day, and yeah, and yeah,

43:07

and yeah, he casting, he cast me, he cast me.

43:09

Okay, now you go to Austin

43:12

for two years. Obsessed. Austin's my

43:14

favorite city in the country. I'm

43:16

going two days. Salpa? Yes. Oh, I'm

43:18

going in a few weeks. Where did

43:20

you live? How was it? How many

43:22

months were you there to shoot that?

43:24

Did you go to Barton Springs? Yeah.

43:27

Okay. Have you been a theater point?

43:29

Yes. Did you go to Salt Lake

43:31

and sit outside on the picnic? Yes.

43:33

It's my favorite time of my life.

43:35

It was such a favorite time of

43:38

my life. and lived in Argentina for

43:40

a few years after that and then

43:42

came here. Buenos Aires? Buenos Aires?

43:44

Was that a great place? You have to

43:47

go. My favorite city in the world and

43:49

the hottest people I've ever seen.

43:51

Oh! I've heard there's a lot of

43:53

sexy folks. Yeah. Everything. I also heard

43:55

you can buy Coke there for like $10 a

43:57

grand. You should not go. Not allowed. Yes.

43:59

I moved to Austin and I fell in love

44:01

with Austin to keep it weird. Did you like

44:04

rent an apartment or were you staying at

44:06

a hotel the entire time you shot? The

44:08

whole cast was living in the communal.

44:10

apartment complex. So we all live together.

44:12

It was Melrose Place. It was like

44:15

the ultimate American experience. I'd never done

44:17

the dorm thing. So it was so

44:19

exciting. I'd be like at the pool

44:21

and we all live together. I know. It

44:23

was the best. And then we would

44:25

eat food trucks, go to Franklin's, live

44:28

in Barton Springs, run every day, and

44:30

I'm obsessed with Robert. He's

44:32

incredible, right? He's like my dad. When

44:34

I started, he protected me a lot

44:37

of really horrible, me too things. He

44:39

really was like, no one's gonna get

44:41

close to her. Also the parallel

44:43

though, between Selma leaving Mexico, having

44:46

been huge on. Tela Novella is

44:48

being terrified she's not going to

44:50

make it and then breaking out

44:52

in a Rodriguez with the same

44:54

rule He just keeps doing it. So

44:56

you come off of that and then

44:59

you go into baby drivers really the

45:01

next big thing in your career It's

45:03

a humongous success makes $220 million at

45:06

your right I die for Edgar. I

45:08

just really ride for the people that

45:10

supported me at the beginning. Took gambles

45:12

on you or fought for you. That's

45:14

like first English-speaking movie ever. I

45:16

was so scared. I remember walking

45:19

into that set and it was

45:21

like Jamie Fox and John Hamm

45:23

and Spacey and Ansel and John

45:25

Bernfell. And I was the only

45:27

woman on my first day, Lily

45:29

James was in the movie, but

45:32

we never really worked together. There's

45:34

no warm-up. You're with heavy hitters.

45:36

And I was really scared. And

45:38

Edgar was just so kind and

45:40

let me create and gave me

45:42

so much openness. And I felt

45:44

so inspired in that room. But

45:47

I was fucking shitting myself. I'm not

45:49

going to lie. I was so nervous.

45:51

I'm very shy. It doesn't look

45:53

like I am. Then Hobbs and Shaw, this

45:56

is a fast and furious spinoff, this

45:58

is another enormous movie, Hobbs and... Shall

46:00

we've got the rock? and Jason Statham.

46:02

How long does that movie take to

46:04

make? A movie took a long time

46:07

to shoot. I was in and out.

46:09

I shot in a week. David Leach

46:11

called me. He's like, would you come

46:13

in with shooting Godzilla versus Kong in

46:15

Australia? And I had a week off

46:18

between location and location and location. And

46:20

so they fixed my schedule so I

46:22

could go and shoot. They wrote that

46:24

role. And so they popped me in

46:26

to be part of the franchise, whatever

46:28

was going to happen. Nothing. Brad Pitt

46:30

or somebody huge as a stuntman. The

46:32

best. And then to see Fall Guy,

46:34

which I think is the best movie

46:36

of last year, I just couldn't be

46:38

happy for that guy. And Kelly.

46:40

his producing partner and his wife,

46:43

by the way, talking about stunts,

46:45

need to be honored at the

46:47

Oscars like yesterday. The amount of

46:50

work, I've done a fair share

46:52

of stunt work in my career.

46:55

I've had a horrific accident. I

46:57

broke my collarbones and my ribs

46:59

on a set, a stunt that

47:02

went wrong. Oh God. These people

47:04

are like risking their lives, a

47:06

lot of stunties die in these

47:09

movies. his body. It's gnarly and

47:11

they don't get enough recognition. And

47:13

they do it over and over again like

47:15

your story about getting hurt. They have like

47:18

30. That's literally one out of that's their

47:20

day to day. And they recover and they

47:22

go back into it. It's a mindset.

47:24

Daniel Radcliffe stunt double was paralyzed

47:26

during one of the Harry Potter.

47:29

Yes. There's a doc about it. He

47:31

has a memoir or something that's supposed

47:33

to be amazing. Okay, Godzilla verse

47:35

Kong. Another enormous hit. I was looking

47:38

at Godzilla versus Kong and I

47:40

was like, I think that one

47:42

movie would put your lifetime box

47:44

office above my like 25 movies.

47:46

It's getting one of those fucking

47:48

movies. It's a half billion dollars.

47:50

People love those movies. It's wild.

47:52

And then three body problem. You

47:54

work with David Benny often, Weiss.

47:56

Game of Thrones for people who

47:59

don't know. Yes. Oh, I wanted to

48:01

mention, I care a lot, because

48:03

that's huge. This is what's weird

48:05

about movies now. So 56 million

48:07

households watch this movie. I care

48:09

a lot on Netflix. And if

48:11

each household has just bought a

48:13

$10 ticket, it's bigger than Kong.

48:15

And it's like a billion dollar

48:17

movie if you think about it

48:19

that way. Yeah. What's better do

48:21

you think? I'm now out of

48:23

it where I would have to

48:25

worry about whether it's coming out

48:27

on streaming or on streaming or

48:29

on. Don't you just want the maximum amount

48:31

of people to see the thing you do? That's

48:33

how I feel. I mean, I guess some people get

48:35

paid for those things. They get back ends. I really

48:38

haven't had the baby of that. First dollar

48:40

gross deal. I've never heard of that in my life.

48:42

I don't know if I will. And so I just

48:44

care about... the work and people watching the

48:46

work and the work that I feel

48:48

proud of. And sometimes I'm like hoping

48:50

that never gets seen too. Oh God.

48:52

So I care a lot was an

48:55

amazing experience because it was also in

48:57

the COVID era. Everyone was in their

48:59

homes watching TV. So so many people

49:01

watched it more than probably would have

49:03

now. And I love that movie. We're

49:06

just shooting it? We shot in Boston.

49:08

Oh, okay. Your co-star was from

49:10

New Zealand? In North Carolina

49:12

Pike? No, she's English. Yeah,

49:14

she's an English Rose, baby. I'm

49:16

so sorry. How dare you? Okay, so

49:18

she's English. You're thinking of not

49:20

the right person. Another Rosema?

49:22

Yeah, he's got a different

49:25

friend, Rose. That's Key. Rosema

49:27

Diver? Yeah, Rosema Pike is

49:29

Gongirl. Gongirl. Dax. Yes, I

49:31

love her. My apologies to

49:33

everybody. I was picturing David's

49:36

friend. It was a kiwi. She's

49:38

great too. She is great too. I

49:40

like her too. I don't know

49:42

her, but I like her.

49:45

Okay. Rosam and Pike, she's

49:47

incredible. You guys are bros

49:50

now, right? Rose. She interviewed

49:52

you for an interview magazine.

49:54

She's my wife. We're wifing

49:57

up. I spend a lot of time

49:59

with her. We had a scene

50:01

originally in that movie where I

50:03

pegged a man with her. Oh wow!

50:05

Yeah. And what did you use to

50:07

peg the young, or old man? Really

50:09

big black dildo. Okay, it was

50:12

pretty big and I could find it.

50:14

Oh yeah. What have you had in

50:16

your purse? No, no. So basically we

50:18

have the scene which was incredible. The movie

50:20

starts with her sort of going on a

50:22

date with scoot McNair. It's totally scrapped out

50:24

of the movie, which is a bummer, because

50:27

it was so good. Anyway, we would go

50:29

into the scene where she's sort of saying

50:31

how much she realized she doesn't like men,

50:33

and she's really into women. And so she's

50:35

like, we used to try it. It's fun.

50:37

I'm like, maybe we should try it together.

50:39

And there's a scene where we would go

50:41

on a date, the three of us. we

50:43

would go back to the house and you

50:45

would see from the reflection on a microwave

50:47

three bodies having a three-sum but I was

50:49

pegging a man with a strap on and

50:51

then we come out and then be like

50:53

yeah it's not really my thing and then

50:56

we go back to being full-on lesbians and

50:58

so that got scrapped out, I don't know

51:00

if it was too raunchy. Maybe just

51:02

a little too early in the film.

51:04

It would have been a win. It

51:06

was funny, it was great, but since

51:08

then we just have photos of each

51:10

other just with raunchy things. Yeah. So

51:12

she sent me for my wrap gift

51:14

a ginormous strap on. Wow. Does the

51:16

intimacy coordinator know about all this? Yeah,

51:19

we would get in trouble. No, you

51:21

both consented. You're both good about. And

51:23

then this is me sending sending her

51:26

my wrap up my wrap gift. This

51:28

is really something. This is too personal,

51:30

but in that filming of that, where

51:32

you're like, maybe I would want to do

51:34

this to somebody. Yeah, did it seem fun?

51:37

I was kind of fascinated, but I'm

51:39

not going to lie. I don't know

51:41

if it is my kink? Well, we

51:43

know cannibalism isn't yours. No, I definitely

51:45

not mine. This one's more... I just imagine

51:47

there could be a moment where you're like, that doesn't

51:50

appeal to me at all. Now I've put this

51:52

thing on. I definitely was fascinated by it.

51:54

There's something about your hips hitting someone else's

51:56

and you are the business head. Yeah. I

51:58

can imagine a gal doing that. and going

52:00

like, oh I get it. I see

52:02

how that is powerful. I get this

52:05

psychology behind it and how that could

52:07

be, yeah, fetish. I'm never a no

52:09

to things. I'm always a yes to

52:11

trying things and discovering. Yeah, not done

52:14

yet. Just fiction. Well, you have the

52:16

apparatus. Also it sticks on the walls.

52:18

I have it like on a window.

52:20

But what could be really terrifying to

52:23

a man is if on his third

52:25

date with you, he was going to

52:27

the bathroom and he saw this and

52:29

he's like, oh. So you did one

52:32

movie with Guy Ritchie and now you've

52:34

done, I imagine, it's happened because I

52:36

had it in my house. So one

52:38

time I did this, like, it's a

52:41

lot of explaining. Six years ago. If

52:43

I was a dude I wouldn't believe

52:45

it. Yeah. Let me show you the

52:47

picture. Let me show you wife, see?

52:50

Do you know Rosamond Pike, not from

52:52

New Zealand? Not from New England. Very

52:54

English. You should have her here, you

52:56

would have her here, you, you would

52:59

have done. the ministry of a gentlemanly

53:01

warfare, then... I did a movie called

53:03

In the Gray that comes out later

53:05

this year. Oh, okay. With Jake, Jillen

53:08

Hall, and Henry Kevel. And then I

53:10

did the third one, which comes out

53:12

later-ish this year. How quickly is he

53:14

shooting movies? Back to back. Does he

53:17

grill on set and you eat the

53:19

grilled food? Yes. We went carnivore on

53:21

Fountain of Youth. Kresinsky tried it. He

53:23

was successful for a minute. I think

53:26

he did it. And then Natalie is

53:28

vegetarian so vegetarian so she did. Because

53:30

he was losing way I was sort

53:32

of into the whole bio hacking of

53:35

it all fascinated by it and so

53:37

we would grill just steak and steak

53:39

and steak and more steak with butter

53:41

every single day. Oh my god, how's

53:44

your heart? My class rolls good and

53:46

I eat. You have to kind of

53:48

get tested. Almost exclusively read me. I

53:50

really. Mine's lower than yours. Yeah, but

53:53

that's genetic. Yeah, that's genetic. So that's

53:55

the whole thing. So I'm genetically pre-disposition.

53:57

It's probably not the diaspora. No. But

53:59

I loved it. So we grew on

54:02

set every day. Natalie. Natalie Portman is

54:04

in the fountain of youth. Yes. Forget

54:06

those dudes on the set of baby

54:08

driver. The dream. I'm so intimidated if

54:11

I'm you. Like if I've got to

54:13

do it with the two-hander with Bill

54:15

Murray, who I idolized, for me Natalie

54:17

Portman was the only Anjianu I bought

54:20

in a hundred percent. I became an

54:22

actress because of Natalie Portman. So it

54:24

was pretty wild. I was trying really

54:26

hard to be cool. I was just

54:29

like, hi, so long. Like I'm like

54:31

you. And I like know everything, you

54:33

know, creepy like probably she could sue

54:35

me kind of way. I was so

54:38

uncool. But did you penetrate? Did you

54:40

eventually? Because she's the nicest person ever.

54:42

I couldn't stop staring at her. It's

54:44

only happened to me twice with her

54:47

and Marianne Cotilla when I did a

54:49

show with her. challenging physically, watered tanks

54:51

for hours, freezing cold in the air

54:53

of the UK. And we were laughing

54:56

all the time. We would always be

54:58

like joking about it. She has the

55:00

best humor. Kaczynski obviously has the best

55:02

humor. And it was good vibes all

55:05

day long and it was a dream

55:07

job and I couldn't believe it. Where

55:09

did you see that? We shot everywhere

55:11

we went to. Thailand. Then we went

55:14

to Vienna. Then we went to Egypt.

55:16

Oh, there's like a dream vacation. Yeah,

55:18

but not the water baths. That's how

55:20

you pay for the trip. But it's

55:23

cool though. Like how many times can

55:25

you say, well, I was in some

55:27

weird water tank for hours when Natalie

55:29

Portman. You're right. You're right. You're right.

55:32

I'll take it. It was an amazing

55:34

experience. So we have become quite tight

55:36

with Guy Ritchie. Okay. I loved that

55:38

show. How good is that show? So

55:41

good, good. Hero, the director, did such

55:43

an amazing job. And yeah, he called

55:45

ScarsGuard and me. We had already worked

55:47

together on Godzilla. He was like, would

55:50

you guys come and play for like

55:52

a few days? And we want your

55:54

stereotypical couple of what you would think

55:56

Mr. and Smith is going to be.

55:59

Yeah. And then turn it on its

56:01

head. And it was fun. You think

56:03

we're going to be in it. They

56:05

were like dead. Hopefully we'll make it

56:08

back. Maybe it could be a third.

56:10

You never know. So Ash, I would

56:12

say it's got two really great parallels.

56:14

It really reminded me of Moon. Did

56:16

you ever watch Moon? Yes, Moon. Oh

56:19

my God. Did you ever see Moon?

56:21

You should watch it. That's incredible. That's

56:23

a huge reference. And that's someone's kid

56:25

director that David Bowie's kid or something?

56:28

Oh wow. Duncan Jones. But is Duncan

56:30

Jones? Is Duncan Jones a child of

56:32

David Bowie? Yes. But does not share

56:34

the Bowie last? Just wanted to separate,

56:37

it's kind of like, Nick Cage. Nope,

56:39

a Anderson Cooper. Right. Do you know,

56:41

Nicholas Cage is really Copala? Oh really?

56:43

He's in the couple of family. He

56:46

wanted to make it on his own,

56:48

so he gave himself cage. You blow

56:50

my mind. And do you know about

56:52

Anderson Cooper? He's of Vanderbilt. The journalist.

56:55

The journalist. The journalist. The journalist. Yeah.

56:57

Glory of Vanderbilt. Oh my God. And

56:59

also, Amelia Azteves, not using sheen. You're

57:01

right. That was a good move. Sheen,

57:04

Martin, sheen. Amelia Westivis. They're a family,

57:06

but look at this. Some people need

57:08

their own path. We're really giving you

57:10

a really quick opportunity. So maybe this

57:13

is a moment to tell you that

57:15

I've changed my last name. Can you

57:17

imagine? Yes, I couldn't be more like

57:19

her. And then of course, alien. Yes,

57:22

alien is obvious. So who made this?

57:24

Flying Lotus an artist. So he's a

57:26

musical prodigy. He's incredible. He's a producer.

57:28

Okay. And I was a humongous fan

57:31

of his music. And I had seen

57:33

this insane, crazy movie called Cuso that

57:35

he did before this. not a plot.

57:37

It's just a crazy, brutal, gory, insane

57:40

movie. It feels like you're watching back

57:42

in the day, late night MTV. Just

57:44

weird. And I was obsessed with him

57:46

and the script came across my table

57:49

and I was really yearning for something

57:51

that was in the horror space, bizarre

57:53

and creepy and I like a psychological

57:55

thriller. This felt really in the vein

57:58

and he showed me his... I mean,

58:00

we made that movie for no

58:02

money. It's very impressive. Okay, so

58:04

it's set in the future. You

58:07

are a group of Earthlings that

58:09

is trying to explore and find

58:11

another planet that would be habitable.

58:13

And you touched down on this

58:16

planet and this pod. And when

58:18

we meet you, you have amnesia.

58:20

You don't know what the fuck's

58:22

gone on. Your head is damaged.

58:24

And everyone on the crew is

58:26

dead. And we're kind of piecing

58:29

together mentor style. What happened? Feels

58:31

like psychosis. It's a

58:33

discombobulating movie. Yeah, you're

58:35

dealing with like amnesia, but

58:37

also kind of madness. Like

58:39

we're not quite sure. Is this

58:41

person insane or not? We don't

58:43

know why everyone's dead. Oh, creepy

58:45

and good. And then we have Aaron

58:48

Paul pops in and he ostensibly

58:50

is trying to figure out what

58:52

happened as well. But in classic

58:54

movie like these, we don't know

58:56

who's friend and who's so... Twisties?

58:58

Yeah. Lots of twizzies, but visually,

59:01

really, really original. And it

59:03

had a tension in a

59:05

chaos that substance. Oh, fun.

59:07

That's how I describe, you're doing

59:09

a perfect job, I've described substance

59:12

in space. Because when we got this,

59:14

because when we got this movie, it

59:16

was a wild card. Everyone was like,

59:19

are you sure you want to do

59:21

this? And I was like, yeah, it's

59:23

insane. I don't even know what's going

59:25

to turn out to be, because it's

59:27

either. going to be incredible or it's

59:29

going to suck. And that's fun. I'm willing

59:32

to take the risk. This is fun. I

59:34

can see his vision because he had like

59:36

a very strong point of view and I

59:38

trust people that have strong points of view

59:41

when it comes to creative. In my experience,

59:43

Edgar Wright, Guy Ritchie, Bob Sebec, it's like

59:45

work with people that have points of views.

59:47

you're in it. And when the substance sort

59:49

of took a life of its own, I

59:52

was like, oh I'm glad people are open

59:54

to crazy films. And it is slightly camp,

59:56

but also uncomfortable and weird and dark and

59:58

brutal. It goes from psychological. thriller to really

1:00:01

gory, really bloody, and back and forth.

1:00:03

It's dark. It's a crazy movie. And

1:00:05

it has this element of oxygen, which

1:00:07

is always fun. So like you're watching,

1:00:09

you're kind of holding your breath a

1:00:11

lot of the time, is she going

1:00:13

to run out of oxygen? I think

1:00:16

this is a very like Angelina Jolie

1:00:18

roll. Oh, really? Yeah. This movie was

1:00:20

made in 97. I think Angelina Jolie

1:00:22

would do this. Yeah. She was quite

1:00:24

a risk taker, I think, with her

1:00:26

choices. Yeah. Yeah, needing to prove herself.

1:00:28

Yeah, and I think she did a

1:00:31

lot of things that were unflattering intentionally

1:00:33

to break out of that. And so

1:00:35

this very much mirrored, I think, that

1:00:37

experience. That makes me happy to hear

1:00:39

that you felt that way. But I'm

1:00:41

gonna really applaud you as an actor.

1:00:43

You have almost no lines in this

1:00:46

movie. Most of the movie is you

1:00:48

processing. Flashbacks, you have to react to

1:00:50

all this stuff that you're not seen.

1:00:52

You're in a scene by yourself. You

1:00:54

sit at a desk and they go,

1:00:56

okay, cameras, and now you gotta take

1:00:58

us through these flashbacks. You have to

1:01:00

take us through the anxiety and the

1:01:03

tension of trying to figure out how

1:01:05

the fuck you are where you are

1:01:07

at. Anything we're gonna learn from you,

1:01:09

we just have to see. And you

1:01:11

did an incredible job. I was quite

1:01:13

blown away. Thank you. He is coming

1:01:15

from soap operas and I talk a

1:01:18

lot too as you can tell. We

1:01:20

love talkers. Yeah, I'm a heavy talker

1:01:22

and I feel space, my anxiety with

1:01:24

speaking. I've always, I think, secretly wanted

1:01:26

to experience what that was like to

1:01:28

be able to feel comfortable in that

1:01:30

space because I don't think that people

1:01:32

see me as a type of actress

1:01:35

ever because the roles that have flashed

1:01:37

into the Sighist have been quite... the

1:01:39

dynamic ones. And I personally like these

1:01:41

performances way more and so I really

1:01:43

enjoyed it and I was really scared.

1:01:45

And I had come off of a

1:01:47

run of doing like three body problem

1:01:50

was one of the most challenging jobs

1:01:52

I ever had because while everyone was

1:01:54

sort of rooted on factual things, I

1:01:56

had to be creating this. anxiety building

1:01:58

moments with like nothing in the show.

1:02:00

I'm watching numbers coming and I'm becoming

1:02:02

suicidal and I'm going through a really

1:02:05

hard time where I'm seeing this boat

1:02:07

get sliced completely that I never saw.

1:02:09

So a lot of my performance came

1:02:11

to child-like imagination. That's a scary place

1:02:13

to be as an actor as you

1:02:15

know. You came from lunch, you have

1:02:17

a real life, you have a real

1:02:19

life, you have a real life, you

1:02:22

have a real life. How much is

1:02:24

too much? How little is the little?

1:02:26

What is over the top? What is

1:02:28

not over the top? You're not giving

1:02:30

enough. You don't have a real gauge.

1:02:32

When you're in a scene, you're bouncing

1:02:34

off of each other. Here you're just

1:02:37

like free falling. I had done that

1:02:39

back to back. I went from that

1:02:41

to three body problem. And it was

1:02:43

scary. Some people can call it a

1:02:45

success. Some people will be like, well,

1:02:47

I don't love it. But at least

1:02:49

I felt really proud. Have you've seen

1:02:52

three body problem. episode and three body

1:02:54

problem. Something really major happens. It's like

1:02:56

the red wedding on Game of Thrones.

1:02:58

Like it's like a crazy episode. Thousands

1:03:00

of people get killed and we're seeing

1:03:02

it sort of unravel in front of

1:03:04

our eyes, but we're seeing it on

1:03:06

screens, but nothing was happening. So you're

1:03:09

just seeing this ginormous sort of tragic

1:03:11

moment happening, but we're seeing nothing. And

1:03:13

we have no idea what the effects

1:03:15

is going to look like, how severe,

1:03:17

how not severe. You really rely on

1:03:19

your director, and if you're lucky, you

1:03:21

have an amazing director, if you're unlucky,

1:03:24

you don't have an amazing director. You're

1:03:26

just scared for three-body problem. I was

1:03:28

scared for two years. Two years of

1:03:30

like bracing, because my whole performance on

1:03:32

that show, I'm the only one that

1:03:34

is relying on nothing. because I'm talking

1:03:36

to myself, I'm looking at things. We're

1:03:38

talking yourself so hard on camera. Like

1:03:41

a mirror scene where you got to

1:03:43

look in the mirror. You're like, oh

1:03:45

my God, she's easy. I think it,

1:03:47

looking at myself, but I've never spoke

1:03:49

to myself. Never, not one. Yeah, but

1:03:51

some people do, if they're not well.

1:03:53

I've seen like a conversation with a

1:03:56

second party that's in the mirror. Hopefully

1:03:58

that's not me and hopefully I'm never

1:04:00

there. Yeah, let's hope. I'm not. Pretending

1:04:02

that you can do it is terrifying.

1:04:04

But yeah, so anyway, it's challenging and

1:04:06

I appreciate you. We have many scenes

1:04:08

where lights up. She is. Leaking Tears,

1:04:11

processing this thing. Yeah, I was like,

1:04:13

God bless. To kind of build an

1:04:15

arc is where it becomes scary. That's

1:04:17

where I find hard in the psychological

1:04:19

thriller type of like discombobulating films, because

1:04:21

same on three-body problem. You have to

1:04:23

build an arc. Yeah, you have to

1:04:25

be your craziest at the end of

1:04:28

the second act. But you don't know,

1:04:30

because especially on Ash, flying Lotus was

1:04:32

sort of like, I can move scenes

1:04:34

around. And I was like, wait, wait,

1:04:36

wait, wait, what do you, what do

1:04:38

you, what do you mean, what do

1:04:40

you mean, what do you mean, what

1:04:43

do you mean, what do you mean,

1:04:45

what do you mean, what do you

1:04:47

mean, what do you mean, what do

1:04:49

you mean, what do you mean, But

1:04:51

actually it's the most fun because then

1:04:53

I would play everything differently and then

1:04:55

he had like an array of things

1:04:58

to pick from. So that's kind of

1:05:00

the dream. I can be quite type

1:05:02

A and I used to have gotten

1:05:04

better at it because I came from

1:05:06

a school of there are certain directors

1:05:08

that want a very specific type of

1:05:10

performance and I had worked in a

1:05:12

row with a lot of those directors.

1:05:15

So it was very healing for me

1:05:17

to go into a place where like

1:05:19

just go for it. And I was

1:05:21

like. What do you mean? Yeah. To

1:05:23

like go for it. And that felt

1:05:25

scary for me for a while. And

1:05:27

so it was great. And so we

1:05:30

played a lot of different things. Stay

1:05:32

tuned for more armchair expert if you

1:05:34

dare. heavy reps. I'm really scared of

1:05:36

this movie. You did such a good

1:05:38

job. Yeah, I hadn't seen many of

1:05:40

these movies. So I know you're gonna

1:05:42

be watching I care a lot now

1:05:44

for sure. You really sold it. But

1:05:47

wait didn't you cut the pegging scene?

1:05:49

Yeah, boring. Now I don't need to

1:05:51

see it. There's little heavy makeouts here

1:05:53

and there, but no pegging. Where do

1:05:55

people see it? It comes out March

1:05:57

21st and movies. It's wide release. Why

1:05:59

I'm also... Really scared. Sure. We need

1:06:02

a lot of love. Please go watch

1:06:04

it. Go to the movies. The movies

1:06:06

are fun. I miss the movies. And

1:06:08

it's a horror movie. I love going

1:06:10

to the movie theaters for a horror

1:06:12

movie. Exactly. Or like substance, as you

1:06:14

said, was such a good movie to

1:06:17

see in the movie theater. I loved

1:06:19

it. Because everyone's into it and laughing

1:06:21

and kind of screaming and it's that

1:06:23

communal thing we just don't get anymore.

1:06:25

Exactly. Wait, did you work with Josh now

1:06:27

that I think of it? Yeah, we did

1:06:30

a movie called When in Rome. You don't

1:06:32

need to see it. Kristen's the lead. Josh

1:06:34

is her love interest. I'm one of three

1:06:36

suitors trying to get Chris from

1:06:38

a long time ago. Oh yeah, this

1:06:40

was within the first three months of

1:06:42

us dating 18 years of you did

1:06:44

the movie. which is a wonderful story

1:06:47

because Disney did not want to

1:06:49

hire us. We've been dating for

1:06:51

three months. We're not hiring a

1:06:53

three-month boyfriend girlfriend and then they break

1:06:55

up in three weeks and then the movies

1:06:57

are very smart. Yes. One of my

1:06:59

best friends Andrew Panay, Yorgo, was the

1:07:02

producer and I was like, George, I promise

1:07:04

you no matter what, I will not break

1:07:06

up with her. At least while I'm filming

1:07:08

the movie. Yes. We barely made it. We

1:07:10

were living together. It was a disaster for

1:07:12

us living together three months in and shooting

1:07:14

a movie. They're in Italy. Only for a

1:07:16

week. Mostly it was this dark apartment in

1:07:19

New York. Oh, well you just worked here, so you

1:07:21

had to live together with us. Yes, yes. We were

1:07:23

shooting in New York and then in Italy. So he

1:07:25

said, let's just jump in and straight up, live

1:07:27

together while making a movie? That sounds insane. I'm

1:07:29

like so frugal. Well, let's combine our living

1:07:31

thing and then we'll talk it. We get

1:07:34

home and the relationship isn't a state of

1:07:36

total disrepair. We decided to go to a

1:07:38

couple's therapist therapist, her therapist, her therapist, her

1:07:40

therapist, her therapist. Well, now we've shot a

1:07:42

movie. So now we're about to break up. So

1:07:44

now we're four or five months. Yeah, I'm out.

1:07:46

We took a motorcycle trip home to Michigan. It

1:07:48

was a disaster. I laughed like, I hope I

1:07:50

never see this person again as long as I

1:07:53

live. Jershi felt the same way. We get home,

1:07:55

we go to couples therapy. And I say to

1:07:57

the therapist, I go, you know, I made this

1:07:59

promise to not break. up with her during

1:08:01

the movie because of my friend but

1:08:03

now we're back in real life and

1:08:05

I don't know that we're gonna make

1:08:07

it and he goes well it's really

1:08:09

interesting you're saying you're back in real

1:08:12

life because actually that was real

1:08:14

life you commit we're not breaking up

1:08:16

and I was like oh my god

1:08:18

del perception so stupid but I honestly

1:08:21

was like Oh wow, that is it. You

1:08:23

go, no, no, under no circumstances. So

1:08:25

we must figure out how to make

1:08:27

this work, because we're not breaking up.

1:08:29

So weirdly, it was a kind of

1:08:32

a breakthrough in life. And how many years

1:08:34

are we in now? Eighteenth year. Wow. Frozen

1:08:36

is my favorite movie of all time. It

1:08:38

is? Wow. I don't think any adult that

1:08:41

has no children. has watched present as much

1:08:43

as I have. That's the first time I've

1:08:45

heard that. Well, you like musical theater

1:08:48

and singy. I would go on dates with

1:08:50

guys and I'd have my Spotify and shuffle.

1:08:52

And you're strapped on in the back seat? Yeah,

1:08:54

in the back seat. And then all of

1:08:56

a sudden was like, do you want

1:08:58

to build a snowman? You know, singing,

1:09:00

they're like, this is so weird. You

1:09:03

can totally tell I had no childhood

1:09:05

and I was like a child star

1:09:07

who got completely ripped away from

1:09:09

having a childhood. So now I'm

1:09:11

living it. Did you love Wicked

1:09:13

too? I went to the movie

1:09:15

theaters, I watched it 17 times. I

1:09:18

cried. I was blown away by it.

1:09:20

Yeah, the one line got me to

1:09:22

well up. It's right before. What's

1:09:24

the last song they sing they

1:09:26

sing is there on the

1:09:28

Brava? Oh, unlimited. Together, together,

1:09:30

we're unlimited. It got you. I

1:09:33

was like, oh, yes you are,

1:09:35

girls. Did you watch the Oscars

1:09:37

last night? No. Oh my God.

1:09:39

Did they rip it up? Ariana came

1:09:41

out and sang a song from

1:09:43

The Wizard of Oz. She's

1:09:45

saying somewhere over the rainbow. Yeah.

1:09:48

And then Cynthia came out

1:09:50

and sang a song from the

1:09:52

whiz. Oh my. And then

1:09:54

they sang together. They sang together.

1:09:57

It gave me two. Just

1:09:59

repeating it. Also what it was

1:10:01

saying because the Wiz is an

1:10:03

African-American Wizard of Oz and it's

1:10:05

bringing these together. It was very

1:10:08

powerful. And it makes me really

1:10:10

happy for John Chu. Random John

1:10:12

Drew was the first person to

1:10:14

actually cast me in a movie.

1:10:17

Really? Oh really? He did a

1:10:19

movie that was not successful at

1:10:21

all and we always laugh about

1:10:23

it called Gem and the holograms.

1:10:25

Oh yeah, and Ryan Hanson was

1:10:28

in there. Yes, Ryan. Are you

1:10:30

guys friends with Ryan? I love

1:10:32

Ryan. He's hilarious. He's hilarious, he's

1:10:34

hilariousmatic man in America. The most

1:10:36

charismatic man ever. Yes, and will.

1:10:39

And will. With a little provocation.

1:10:41

bad girls and we have little

1:10:43

tiny scene I remember was Kesha

1:10:45

me and we had two lines

1:10:48

at the end of the gem

1:10:50

in the hall. I was supposed

1:10:52

to be we're gonna do another

1:10:54

one never happened. It was my

1:10:56

first role actually before baby driver

1:10:59

now that I think of it.

1:11:01

Wow. And we've been friends ever

1:11:03

since. John Cuman. He is sweetheart.

1:11:05

All right well Aiza this was

1:11:08

so fun. Thank you guys. Really

1:11:10

great job on Ash. Everyone watch

1:11:12

Ash. Go to the movie theater.

1:11:14

It's scary. Oh! You grab your

1:11:16

titties out of fear. You grab

1:11:19

your titties, you're like, oh! That's

1:11:21

a good. That's a good sign.

1:11:23

Thank you so much for having

1:11:25

me. I'm such a fan of

1:11:27

the podcast. I'm really happy to

1:11:30

be here. We were so happy.

1:11:32

I hope people don't think that

1:11:34

I'm insane. I'm not insane. You're

1:11:36

not insane. No one thinks that.

1:11:39

No one thinks that. No one

1:11:41

thinks that. No one thinks that.

1:11:43

It's time to let all that

1:11:45

go. Anxiety. Go. She, her all

1:11:47

time, her like my, Matt and

1:11:50

Ben. Yeah. Is, um, Mr. Tumnus.

1:11:52

Who? What's his name? James McAvoy.

1:11:54

Whoa. Oh, great. I know. But.

1:11:56

Right. P. Sure. She picked him

1:11:59

while he was Mr. Tumnes. In

1:12:01

like, Lionwich in the wardrobe. So

1:12:03

he's like, he's like a centaur

1:12:05

or something. And we were seeing

1:12:07

in the movie theater and she

1:12:10

was like, is he hot? And

1:12:12

I was like, no. Wow. And

1:12:14

he's turned out to be quite

1:12:16

hot. Yeah, yeah, it's so charismatic.

1:12:18

I guess, I've never met him.

1:12:21

What did that just make me

1:12:23

think? Oh. I renamed Whiskey. And

1:12:25

I feel like it's such a

1:12:27

good name for him. What is

1:12:30

it? First of all, conjure him

1:12:32

in your head. Okay. A little

1:12:34

Maguire rat. Right. Three legs. We

1:12:36

decided he's tiny Trump. Oh my

1:12:38

God. So his new name is

1:12:41

Trimp. Picture his face and picture

1:12:43

Trimp. That's exactly. This is my

1:12:45

dog. Trimp. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's

1:12:47

really accurate in a close way.

1:12:49

Trimp. Because it's kind of like

1:12:52

shrimp, which he's shrimp. Yeah. Yeah.

1:12:54

Yeah. And then what's the rap

1:12:56

from Charlotte's Web? Templeton. Oh. So

1:12:58

his name is Trimp Templeton something.

1:13:01

I've forgotten his last name, but

1:13:03

now he's got a whole new

1:13:05

three names. I like that. It

1:13:07

really looks like a Trimp. Who

1:13:09

do you think is the perfect

1:13:12

name to face and body? Like

1:13:14

named a person match. Brad Pitt.

1:13:16

Really? I guess just those words

1:13:18

symbolize now, hotness. Yeah, but I

1:13:21

don't know, that's like chicken or

1:13:23

the egg. Sure. I mean more

1:13:25

like... Oh, that reminds me, as

1:13:27

I alerted you, on my bus

1:13:29

trip home from Nashville, I was

1:13:32

watching all kinds of stuff. Mostly

1:13:34

should I can just listen to.

1:13:36

Great wreck, if you're just driving,

1:13:38

you want to listen. Turning point,

1:13:40

that 10... What's that? It's on

1:13:43

Netflix, it's 10 episodes, but really

1:13:45

the history of the arms nuclear

1:13:47

arms race and all the twists

1:13:49

and turns. I wrote down stuff.

1:13:52

in my notes, I want to

1:13:54

bring up. Thank God. You're going

1:13:56

to like it. No, you're going

1:13:58

to like one part. Okay, great.

1:14:00

But anyways, I gave Love Island,

1:14:03

Temptation Island a chance. I've never

1:14:05

done that. I couldn't do it.

1:14:07

I'll blame it on driving and

1:14:09

meaning to look at probably hot

1:14:12

coeds. I assume that's the whole

1:14:14

point. It's very visual. And the

1:14:16

most alarming things happening to me,

1:14:18

which is like, hot coeds are

1:14:20

starting to do less and less

1:14:23

for me. I mean is it

1:14:25

I mean it's like on a

1:14:27

self-actualized spectrum it's good that's a

1:14:29

bummer to miss something that has

1:14:31

been a source of like titillation

1:14:34

and enjoyment my whole life? It's

1:14:36

just one less thing I enjoy.

1:14:38

Okay, I have a question, answer

1:14:40

honestly. Yeah. Is it that just

1:14:43

like overall the titillation in seeing

1:14:45

like women on screen or yeah,

1:14:47

we'll see on screen? Even ripped

1:14:49

dudes, you know, I like ripped

1:14:51

dudes as well. Okay, so it's

1:14:54

all going downhill or is it

1:14:56

just the age has changed? Ooh.

1:14:58

Yeah, how do I how do

1:15:00

I know, but... Everyone's pretty young

1:15:02

on the show. What I think

1:15:05

is happening is there's some sliding

1:15:07

ratio in my head that used

1:15:09

to be at 13, looks was

1:15:11

a 20, like my body was

1:15:14

just responding to what you see.

1:15:16

Of course. And then I just

1:15:18

feel like personality always ratcheted up

1:15:20

and then looks priority went down.

1:15:22

And I think that was at

1:15:25

a really nice even keel for

1:15:27

a long time, long enough that

1:15:29

I could at least look at

1:15:31

a hot person with a repugnant

1:15:34

personality and think that'd be tolerable

1:15:36

for 40 minutes. Oh, I see.

1:15:38

Okay. I can't. Even enjoy now.

1:15:40

I'm turning into a woman. That's

1:15:42

what I was literally just about

1:15:45

saying. I know I'm starting to

1:15:47

understand how you guys feel. It

1:15:49

doesn't matter if someone's home and

1:15:51

inside is coming out. Finally. I

1:15:53

must be in um, Mizzigaw. Very

1:15:56

menopause. Yeah. Yeah, but it's like

1:15:58

they introduce themselves, right? It's like,

1:16:00

you know the premise. There's like

1:16:02

10 couples or eight couples and

1:16:05

they come in as a couple.

1:16:07

It's the weakest premise imaginable, which is

1:16:09

like, we want to make sure we can

1:16:11

take our relationship to the next level. So

1:16:13

we're going to see, we're going to really

1:16:16

tempt each other. It's like, that's not what

1:16:18

people looking to take their relationship to the

1:16:20

next level do. Conventionally. Convention. But anyway, so

1:16:22

you're sitting down, it's this weird mix of

1:16:25

jealousy of jealousy and then bravado of that

1:16:27

they don't they don't care. They don't care.

1:16:29

And then the tempters and tempters come

1:16:31

out if that's the male of temp.

1:16:34

Oh, they bring in new people. They break up

1:16:36

the couples and the girls live in

1:16:38

one house, the boys live in another

1:16:40

house and then they send in tempresses.

1:16:42

And so like all these women come out

1:16:44

and they're in and they're in bathing suits.

1:16:46

This whole thing is really fascinating. Because what

1:16:48

is the line, like if you set it

1:16:51

up, yeah, these are very vague lines. You

1:16:53

mean like sex worker? Like you're hiring

1:16:55

hot people to tempt other people

1:16:57

and then hopefully they'll hook up

1:16:59

with it's very it's very blurry

1:17:01

and do you think the temptresses

1:17:04

Want to date it's not right?

1:17:06

They're claiming they do, but they were

1:17:08

cast for being hot. They're not it's

1:17:10

not like they were like I need

1:17:12

to find love and I'm looking for

1:17:15

someone already in a committed relationship that's

1:17:17

claiming they want to go with it.

1:17:19

That doesn't exist I know. So And you

1:17:21

know, they're like, these aren't real names, sorry,

1:17:23

I'm just making them. It's like, I'm Tierra,

1:17:25

and I put all the back up front,

1:17:27

like all these weird sayings, and then they

1:17:30

show their butt and stuff. They put all

1:17:32

the back up front, that means they have

1:17:34

a huge vagina. Well, no, I'm mixing metaphors, I'm

1:17:36

just saying words. Yeah. They say these things. You

1:17:38

know, it's guys like, I'm a chef, I'm going

1:17:40

to cook you, you know, you know, like, like,

1:17:42

like, like, like all these, they got a one

1:17:44

line, like, like, they got a one line, like,

1:17:46

one line, one line, like. You know every time

1:17:49

they say one of these... Of course it's

1:17:51

so cringy. It's a bummer. Yeah. It's

1:17:53

a bummer. People, yeah, like you're

1:17:55

already hot. Yeah. And then have to

1:17:58

say something hot on top of... But

1:18:00

I'm saying all this thing. I know

1:18:02

10 years ago, I would have, I

1:18:04

would have made a look right through

1:18:07

most of that stuff. Although, the one

1:18:09

I always loved was with Ryan

1:18:11

Devlin. Are you the one? Yeah,

1:18:13

we loved that. Because they really

1:18:15

did want them full in love.

1:18:18

Ambien TV. Ambion TV.

1:18:20

Yeah. But they were like, they

1:18:22

thought they, people were like balling

1:18:24

and stuff. Yeah. That's like

1:18:26

Bachelor. Yeah. But like. Here's hot models

1:18:28

that are going to attempt you. I just

1:18:31

don't know how I feel about it. Anyways,

1:18:33

I gave that a shot and then I

1:18:35

didn't, I didn't make it. Why did I

1:18:37

bring that up? Just to tell you. Oh,

1:18:40

because we were talking about names. Yeah, names.

1:18:42

And whose name matches? Yeah, and did you,

1:18:44

why did I think of? We talked about

1:18:47

Brad pipping hot. Yeah, hot. That's it.

1:18:49

That's how we got there. Yeah, I

1:18:51

mean, look, I, I used to, I

1:18:53

used to, I used to be

1:18:55

able to name like 10 actor

1:18:58

female actors that I was

1:19:00

like coveted. Yeah. And we're down

1:19:02

to a couple. Really? Yeah. I mean,

1:19:04

I'm saying really in like, I'm

1:19:07

dying. No, no, really, like, I

1:19:09

would assume you don't have any

1:19:11

anymore. Oh. Like. Why would I

1:19:13

have many? When would there be

1:19:15

a day where you go like

1:19:17

Brad Pitt's not hot? No, it's

1:19:19

not that. It's just things do

1:19:22

change. Like even for me,

1:19:24

you know, today an article

1:19:26

came out in GQ about

1:19:28

my boyfriend, one of my

1:19:30

original boyfriends, Ben. Ben,

1:19:32

okay. And, you know, my friend

1:19:34

said, you have to read this

1:19:37

article about Ben. And I was

1:19:39

like, must read. Yeah. And actually

1:19:41

she said, I know you're more of

1:19:43

a mat girl, but you have to

1:19:46

read this. And then I got like

1:19:48

old defensive, right? I was like, it's

1:19:50

not one or the other that's, they're

1:19:52

the same. Yeah. But I know at some

1:19:54

point in my life, the idea that there

1:19:56

was like new info about Ben or

1:19:58

that he would have. a new detail.

1:20:00

And I would have been so, I

1:20:03

would have been so excited, I would

1:20:05

have read it immediately, I would have

1:20:07

canceled all my plants. Yes, yes,

1:20:09

of course. And I was like, oh,

1:20:11

I gotta read that. Like, it like

1:20:14

felt like a chore. Similar. I

1:20:16

loved it. Oh, you did? Yeah, it was,

1:20:18

it's really good. What makes it so

1:20:20

good? He's very open in it. Oh,

1:20:22

like to what degree? Well, I also

1:20:24

give a lot of credit

1:20:26

to the. interviewer he's not

1:20:28

going for low-hanging fruit right

1:20:31

like every interviewer exactly and

1:20:33

so in in doing that Ben

1:20:35

says a lot of stuff right because

1:20:37

he's not on the defense exactly

1:20:39

exactly and I mean he's just

1:20:42

like a couple that he's a

1:20:44

lot of things he talks about

1:20:46

he's I mean there's nothing

1:20:48

like majorly juicy but he does

1:20:51

talk about his relationship with

1:20:53

Jen Lopez and he's basically

1:20:55

like Yeah, everyone wants like

1:20:57

a juicy headline. He's like,

1:20:59

it's just, it'd be so boring if

1:21:02

you knew the details. It's just

1:21:04

the relationship. It's just like she

1:21:06

has things, I have things, and

1:21:08

it ultimately doesn't work. Yeah. He's

1:21:10

very like reflective of this

1:21:12

thing about him that like people love

1:21:15

to watch him spill coffee on the

1:21:17

street and he said, I could have

1:21:19

been more strategic. I should be more

1:21:21

strategic. I shouldn't like go out and

1:21:24

get the mail or go out in

1:21:26

crappy clothes. I know people are going

1:21:28

to do a thing, but I just

1:21:31

don't get, I don't give a fuck.

1:21:33

Okay. And I liked that. And then,

1:21:35

and he said, when he looks back

1:21:38

on old articles. I'm on him. I know.

1:21:40

I am so grateful. No. It's so

1:21:42

unfair. Every other than I see photos

1:21:44

of me from out in front of

1:21:47

my house. So I'm like, oh, they sit

1:21:49

there. That's a bummer, but it's not

1:21:51

like if I go to the store there's

1:21:53

ever and that people are Waiting

1:21:55

for you to do something's very silly.

1:21:57

Yes, and by the way just make it

1:22:00

an entire walk to Starbucks from your

1:22:02

car without looking goofy at one point.

1:22:04

Exactly, exactly. And he talks like

1:22:06

about his kids, because he has

1:22:08

this production company with mad and

1:22:10

like the reason they started that

1:22:12

is so he could be at home. He

1:22:14

can like be with the kids when they get

1:22:17

off the bus and he missed a lot

1:22:19

of chunks. He said he missed a lot

1:22:21

of chunks and he regrets that and he

1:22:23

doesn't like that. And yeah, it was it

1:22:25

was great. It was great. I loved it.

1:22:27

But also all to say like like, like.

1:22:29

You're interested Wayne to bet.

1:22:31

Just my perimenopause

1:22:33

is kicking in. Same. Yeah. Yeah. It makes

1:22:36

sense because I'm in the atrophy

1:22:38

or something. I mean, you're white,

1:22:40

so we would be hitting it

1:22:42

around the same time. Because I'm

1:22:44

white. Yeah, you know, you're 12

1:22:46

years early. Exactly, exactly. Can I

1:22:48

tell you the thing that really

1:22:51

interested me about turning point?

1:22:53

Yeah. Oh wait, can we do

1:22:55

one more thing? Yes, of course.

1:22:57

This is still sort of on

1:23:00

subject, of hotness. So I say

1:23:02

that, right? Oh, you were shocked that

1:23:04

I have two still. Oh, yeah, who are

1:23:06

they? I probably have more.

1:23:08

You know, it was

1:23:10

reinvigorated. I went and saw a

1:23:13

black bag. I was just about to

1:23:15

bring it up. Yes. Oh my God.

1:23:17

You know what's great. I went

1:23:19

solely because I saw a fast

1:23:21

vendor was in it. I enjoyed

1:23:24

it so much. Me too. The

1:23:26

score was so good. And I

1:23:28

was angry at myself when I

1:23:30

saw the titles, like, oh, Soderberg

1:23:32

directed it. Of course. And that's,

1:23:34

of course, that's his signature kind

1:23:37

of music and a style. I

1:23:39

almost wanted to rewatch it again.

1:23:41

Oh, you didn't know till the

1:23:43

end it was his. Oh, that's why I

1:23:45

saw it. I was like, oh, it was

1:23:48

a blessing because I was trying to figure

1:23:50

out the tone of it quite

1:23:52

a bit quite a bit, Espionage

1:23:54

shit, but I loved it, but

1:23:56

I was reminded how much I

1:23:58

love Alicia Vicander. I didn't even

1:24:00

realize it was her. When he's

1:24:03

interviewing her and she's passing the

1:24:05

polygraph and they're talking about her

1:24:07

anal sphincter. Realize it was her, the

1:24:09

whole movie. I can tell you just said that.

1:24:12

I bet my right on that, Rob? I'm looking,

1:24:14

I don't know. That would be really

1:24:16

embarrassing if I have the wrong actor. I mean,

1:24:18

she looks like her now in retrospect. Did you

1:24:20

like that actor? Yeah, she was great.

1:24:22

But I. Fastbender? Who's your

1:24:25

crush? It's crazy that you

1:24:27

said it because what I

1:24:29

was about to say is,

1:24:31

you know, we're saying this

1:24:33

lusty thing, but I saw

1:24:35

a black bag and I

1:24:37

thought it was so sexy.

1:24:39

Yeah. And he's so sexy

1:24:41

in it. Which is

1:24:43

interesting because he's so

1:24:46

reserved. But it's like

1:24:48

controlled. Yeah. And she's

1:24:50

so... Beautiful in it.

1:24:52

Kate Blanchett? Yes, and also

1:24:55

like I'm really upset because her

1:24:57

outfits are so cute in it.

1:24:59

And then I just want all

1:25:02

the outfits. Okay. Okay. Anyway, I

1:25:04

think that was her. Yeah. I think

1:25:06

we could probably. I think

1:25:08

well you're in front of a

1:25:11

computer. I. She's not listed on

1:25:13

the IMDB. You just go to

1:25:16

cast black bag. Well, she's not

1:25:18

listed there, but it's not

1:25:20

her. Yep, Marissa Abweila.

1:25:22

Wait, what? Does that not

1:25:24

look like her? It does look

1:25:27

like her. This girl is Marissa

1:25:29

Abweila. She was great. Oh

1:25:31

my God, I'm so humiliated.

1:25:33

You can add her to

1:25:35

your list now. Although she's 28.

1:25:38

That's a little dicey. Wow,

1:25:40

man, I'm embarrassed. This

1:25:42

is actually why you're liking

1:25:44

young people less, because... I do

1:25:46

think whether you are conscious of

1:25:48

it or not, you know that

1:25:50

you wouldn't really want to make that

1:25:52

decision. Oh, I couldn't date any of

1:25:55

these people. Is that not an

1:25:57

abundantly clear? No, no, no, no. It is clear,

1:25:59

but I think I... when you're like watching

1:26:01

Temptation Island and it's like, God,

1:26:03

it's just like not doing it for

1:26:05

me, I think it's because there's a

1:26:08

subconscious streak now going through. Like, as

1:26:10

you've said before, there has to be

1:26:12

some reality to your fantasy. Well, okay,

1:26:14

but let's back up for one

1:26:16

second. Just go like, society, it's

1:26:18

disgusting. To be with the younger person.

1:26:20

Yeah, when you're 50 years old and

1:26:22

you're a Canadian 25-year-old. Yeah, so I'm

1:26:24

not here to judge. I hear to

1:26:26

judge. If you're out at fucking dinner

1:26:29

with all your your peers and they

1:26:31

all have wives as peers as I

1:26:33

do, yeah, and you've brought a 20

1:26:35

year old, yeah, that's fucking embarrassing. Yeah,

1:26:37

I'm not saying people shouldn't do it

1:26:39

or I'm just saying I would be embarrassed

1:26:41

to be at a dinner with all 50

1:26:44

year olds and I brought my 20

1:26:46

year old girlfriend. Yeah. So I think

1:26:48

that's what's happening. Genetically evolutionarily,

1:26:51

no. There's no, there's no reason

1:26:53

a man would ever stop seeing

1:26:55

fertile women as attractive. That's just,

1:26:58

that, it would be my culture

1:27:00

on top of it. Yeah, but

1:27:02

your culture's a. Oh, it is, it is.

1:27:04

Obviously, we have also evolved out

1:27:07

status, like status now doesn't

1:27:09

just necessarily mean having as

1:27:11

many kids as like, you're

1:27:13

done having kids, right? Yes.

1:27:15

Like, physically, you are done having

1:27:18

kids. Unless I got a reversal of

1:27:20

my vesect. Yeah, yeah. So you have

1:27:22

also told. But my genetics

1:27:24

doesn't know I got a vesectomy. I

1:27:26

don't know. No, it can't take

1:27:28

info in. The whole point that

1:27:31

the reason that we have

1:27:33

those genetics is still for

1:27:35

status. It's for spreading as

1:27:37

your seed as far and wide

1:27:39

as you can. Yeah, it's just

1:27:41

to spread your seed. So genetically,

1:27:43

I too am supposed to spread

1:27:45

my seed. That's the pole inside.

1:27:47

Yeah. And then on top of

1:27:50

my biology is culture that's

1:27:52

affecting a bunch of my

1:27:54

behaviors. Yeah. All I'm pointing out

1:27:56

is that there is no... A

1:27:58

mother nature. that I

1:28:00

would not be attracted to

1:28:02

someone that's for a long time.

1:28:04

No, I'm not saying there's a

1:28:06

mother nature rule, but I'm, but

1:28:09

it's, it's still, culture's huge.

1:28:11

Yes, it's totally subconscious.

1:28:13

That's what I was

1:28:15

saying. Subconsciously there is something

1:28:17

in you that's like, that's not

1:28:19

a reality anymore. Yeah, well, I

1:28:22

go to, mine's very complicated. I

1:28:24

go to, I can't talk to

1:28:26

the, what would I talk to

1:28:28

this person? You know, the time Prince was

1:28:30

dead in 1983, we all thought. You

1:28:32

did talk about that recently. Yeah,

1:28:35

I also continue to, because that's when

1:28:37

I grew up with. Anyways, man, but

1:28:39

I see folks my age just out

1:28:41

doing it. I guess, I guess, I

1:28:43

don't know, I want to say applaud

1:28:45

them, but I'm just like, we just

1:28:47

have different levels. I guess

1:28:49

it's, I guess it's a signal

1:28:51

of confidence. Seems like a signal

1:28:53

of insecurity. Yours?

1:28:55

When I see 50 plus year old actors

1:28:58

with 20 year old actresses. It's

1:29:00

either in security and they need

1:29:02

this like, um, woman to raise

1:29:04

their status because they're beautiful.

1:29:06

They want a reflection of

1:29:09

themselves. Exactly. If this

1:29:11

person likes me, then you guys shall

1:29:13

all like me, right? Which I can

1:29:15

relate to that. In some cases, not

1:29:17

all. In some cases, I think it

1:29:19

could be evidence of a

1:29:21

lack. of emotional maturity

1:29:24

from the male, which

1:29:26

is like they've never

1:29:28

gone past what relationships

1:29:30

are in your 20s. Yeah.

1:29:32

They don't want to? Yeah.

1:29:34

And they want someone that

1:29:36

also wants a three-year

1:29:38

ordeal. Yeah. And nothing

1:29:40

more, because that's the

1:29:42

phase they're in. Yeah.

1:29:45

They don't want it to

1:29:47

be that serious. And I

1:29:49

would imagine the percentage of three-year relationships

1:29:51

in your 20s that turn into the

1:29:53

lifetime versus three-year relationships in your 30s

1:29:56

that turn into lifetime. I think that's

1:29:58

a traumatic difference. Probably, yes. I would

1:30:00

guess too. Yeah. Any who.

1:30:03

Well, that was. Do you

1:30:05

want to add any

1:30:07

guys to your list? I

1:30:09

know a lot of them.

1:30:12

Idris Elba. The guy from.

1:30:14

The guy from Heist.

1:30:16

Matt, Ben, Sean Penn. Oh,

1:30:18

you can see. This is

1:30:21

why it's so funny. I

1:30:23

know I'm sort of an

1:30:26

outlier. I've always liked

1:30:28

older men. Right. Which

1:30:31

is so opposite from

1:30:33

men. You know, and

1:30:35

I still do. I

1:30:37

know from my female

1:30:39

peers and friends that I

1:30:41

on the scale, and much

1:30:44

more attracted to older

1:30:46

men than they are.

1:30:48

Do you have an explanation

1:30:52

for that? Yeah. That's

1:30:54

a maturity thing.

1:30:56

so much of my young life

1:30:59

feeling like I had to protect

1:31:01

everyone in the family. Uh-huh. I

1:31:03

like the idea of not having

1:31:05

to do that. Right. And

1:31:07

having a protector. So in

1:31:09

my head, the protector has

1:31:11

to be older. Hatriarchal a

1:31:13

little bit. Yes. Oh, okay.

1:31:15

Interesting, because I was going to

1:31:18

harken a guess that there's also

1:31:20

some part of you. Mm-hmm.

1:31:22

An insecure part. Sure. That

1:31:25

says... Older men value

1:31:27

personality more. Oh, uh-uh. No. And

1:31:29

young men are just looking for

1:31:31

like whatever Instagram model

1:31:34

to inflate their own

1:31:36

status. No, because this is even

1:31:38

when I was really young. Like

1:31:40

when I was really young. Do

1:31:42