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Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm

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Dax Shepard, I'm joined by Monica Padman.

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Hi there. This is, I'm

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gonna say it, this is the craziest life

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story we've heard from anyone on the show.

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It's an impossible life story.

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I told a lot of people afterwards, after we

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recorded this episode, that it was a very special

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one. Me too, it's the

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biggest delta that's ever been covered

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in a lifespan in two years. Our

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guest today is Ki Hui Kwon, and

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of course you fell in love with him in

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Indiana Jones and the Temple of Dune and the

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Goonies, as I did as a little boy. And

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then fuck, he came back out of

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nowhere and everything, everywhere, all at once.

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He was so incredible. Just

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such a beautiful performance. Yes.

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Oh, and when you hear his life story, just

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you wanna go back and re-watch. I feel

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like we were almost crying the whole time.

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Yep, that's fair. Also

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you can see Ki currently

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in season two of Loki

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on Disney Plus, so

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Check it out. He's

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an unshared expert. He's

3:06

an unshared expert. He's

3:11

an unshared expert. You

3:14

came to visit us when we were

3:17

shooting everything everywhere, while I was. Thousand

3:19

percent. I intend to tell

3:22

that story. You still live in Woodland Hills?

3:24

Yeah. How long was that drive for you? An

3:26

hour? It was an hour. Friday's

3:28

the worst. I miss the time where

3:31

I used to live in Covina.

3:33

I don't know where that is. Yes. Well,

3:35

I know West Covina. Yeah. It's the

3:38

next exit down. I used to go from Covina

3:41

to Beverly Hills. Ooh. But

3:44

back in the 90s, it used to

3:46

take me only 45 minutes. Now

3:48

I can't even travel more

3:50

than 10 miles without taking 45

3:52

minutes. Yeah, exactly. Covina

3:55

to Beverly Hills. Now that's a

3:57

90 minute drive for

3:59

sure. Sure. Twice as long. Yeah. I want

4:01

to start with a very simple question, which

4:04

is, every time I hear someone introduce you,

4:06

they go, full Ki Hui Kuan. I've never

4:08

heard anyone say just your first name. Everybody

4:10

calls me Ki. And sometimes

4:12

they'll say Ki Kuan. Sometimes they'll say Ki

4:14

Hui Kuan. But as long as you say

4:16

my name, I'm happy. OK. But I just

4:18

want to make sure that I could say

4:20

Ki. Oh, everybody calls me

4:22

Ki. OK, wonderful. In fact, my legal name

4:24

is Jonathan Ki Hui Kuan. So I used

4:27

to go by Jonathan for a long time.

4:29

But everybody that knew me when

4:31

I was a kid calls me

4:33

Ki. Are you happy that Ki and

4:35

Peele was a big show? I mean, that really

4:37

popularized Ki. Yeah. Ki Ki

4:40

Palmer. Oh, yeah. I

4:42

made a joke. I attended the New York

4:44

Film Festival. And Jordan Peele was there. Ki

4:46

Ki Palmer was there. And

4:48

when I got my award, I went up there. And

4:51

this is actually Jordan Peele's joke. We were chatting. I

4:53

love him so much. And I said, what does it

4:55

take to work with him? I have the name, you

4:57

know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're halfway there. Ki and Peele,

4:59

Ki Ki Palmer. And then maybe I'll just change my

5:01

name to Ki Ki Ki. You know? OK.

5:05

So Ki, of every actor and expert

5:07

we've interviewed, you're going to have, I

5:10

think, among the wildest story as far

5:12

as the amount of ground

5:14

you've covered in your life. It's almost

5:17

impossible from where your life started to where it

5:19

ended up. You even said it in your Oscar

5:21

speech. My life is something you'd see in a

5:23

movie. But it really happened to me. It's mind

5:25

blowing. But can we start in Saigon in 1971?

5:29

So we're roughly the same age. I was born in 75. You

5:32

have my sister's birthday, August 20th. Yeah, I'm a

5:34

Leong. You're on the cusp, though, because I'm a

5:36

Virgo 24th. My wife says I'm

5:38

more like a Virgo than I'm a Leong. Yeah,

5:41

I could see that. By the way, your wife

5:43

has the coolest name of all names, Echo. Echo,

5:45

yeah. What a cool name. That is a good

5:47

name. OK, so you're born in Vietnam in 1971,

5:50

but your family's Chinese. Yes, actually, I was

5:53

born in 1970. It's

5:55

wrong on IMDb. Oh, wonderful.

5:57

It's not easy to change your

5:59

birthday. date on IMDB. I bet

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not. Yeah, I tried. And no

6:03

one's trying to go older. You'd be the first

6:05

person trying to go older. I like a truth.

6:07

I like authenticity. So for the longest

6:10

time, when I decided to get back

6:12

into acting, I have IMDB pro. So

6:14

I messaged them and I go, I

6:16

want to change my birth year. I

6:19

sent numerous messages, emails, and

6:21

it's like, you have to show

6:23

your passport, all these like, you know,

6:26

identifications. It's not easy to make that

6:28

change. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

6:30

I sound like that. But

6:33

I do imagine most people would have been calling and saying, I

6:35

was really born in 75. Like they want

6:37

to be young. Of course. You're for sure the

6:39

first person in history that wanted to make yourself older. It's only

6:41

one year. It's not like a big difference. It

6:43

is a big difference in terms

6:45

of what was happening historically in

6:47

Saigon. That's one more year of

6:50

being born into an active war.

6:52

Yeah. But how did your

6:54

family end up in Vietnam from China? It

6:56

was a great place to do business. My

6:58

mom was born in Hong Kong. My dad

7:00

was in mainland China and it was just

7:02

for opportunities. They went to Vietnam Saigon. In

7:04

what year? I don't know. They

7:07

were there when they were very young. It was my grandma

7:09

that took my mom there when my mom was just a

7:11

little kid. Okay. So probably 60s she

7:13

was there? Probably sooner than that. Maybe in the

7:15

early 50s. Okay. Wow. And

7:18

then around the same time and they met and they fell in

7:20

love. They got really busy and had nine kids.

7:23

Nine. Nine kids. Wow. Okay.

7:27

So you already have family members

7:29

that are adventurers, risk takers, entrepreneurial.

7:31

They have left security at some

7:33

point in their life to pursue

7:35

something greater in their move to

7:37

Vietnam. That's kind of interesting and

7:39

telling. You know, my parents were

7:41

doing really well in Vietnam. What

7:43

kind of business were they in?

7:45

My dad manufactures plastic bags. Oh,

7:47

no kidding. Yeah. And

7:49

my mom had a little clothing store. And

7:52

nine kids? And nine kids. That's

7:54

not possible. I don't know

7:56

if they met the condom back then. Yeah, your dad

7:58

should have been married. Yeah,

8:00

and so they were really happy. I can just

8:02

really giggled at the thought of a plastic bag

8:07

What's the span of ages like oldest

8:09

to youngest kids my oldest sister right

8:12

now is 68, okay Okay,

8:15

and are you wait? I'm the

8:17

seventh in the family. She's 68 near

8:19

53 or four. Yeah, I'm 53 53 So

8:22

she's 15 years older. Okay, so she was born in

8:25

55 Looking

8:28

at about an 18 year range maybe 56

8:32

56 okay. Wow, so you've got a full-grown Adult

8:36

sister when you're born. Yes, I was an

8:38

uncle when I was 10 years old Now

8:42

I have over 20 nieces

8:44

and nephews more than 20 grand

8:47

nieces. Oh my And

8:50

I joke about this everything everywhere all at

8:52

once became a box office hit. It's because

8:54

my family bought a lot of those tickets

8:57

They all just went five times. You had a

8:59

runaway hit in what order were you what number

9:01

we I'm the seven I was doing math when

9:04

he said I have a younger sister of a

9:06

younger brother who I'm best friends with he's so

9:09

Supportive my family has been very proud and

9:11

very happy for the last two years and

9:13

my brother more so within anybody Yeah, and

9:15

he got a shout-out in your speech. Yeah,

9:17

it sounds well deserved. So born in there

9:20

in 1970 You wouldn't

9:22

have memories. I can't imagine of Wartime

9:25

in Saigon. Do you you're too young?

9:27

Yeah, but a lot of people have

9:29

memories when they were two or three

9:31

or four But for

9:34

some reason everything that happened in

9:36

Vietnam I only have glimpses of

9:38

it going out with my dad

9:40

on his motorcycle or Trying

9:42

on new clothes at my mom's

9:44

clothing store just like snapshots Would

9:47

your father have been a potential

9:49

enemy once Saigon fell and he

9:51

would have been a capitalist and

9:53

a business owner a Manufacturer was

9:55

he at risk with that there

9:58

were a large Chinese

10:00

community living in Saigon. And when the

10:02

fall of Saigon happened, a lot of

10:04

those Chinese people were targeted. And also

10:06

it was a chaotic time. Disclaimer, Vietnam

10:08

today is very different. A lot of

10:10

people go visit every year. But in

10:13

the 1970s, they were targeted. And

10:17

my parents made that difficult decision

10:19

to get all of us out

10:22

of there. They did stay around

10:24

for three years after the end

10:26

of the war, right? Yes. That

10:29

would have been the most perilous period

10:31

for them, because now it's a communist

10:33

country and there are entrepreneurial capitalists. I

10:36

think they were constantly living in fear.

10:38

I'm really grateful to them because to

10:40

get all of us out of Vietnam,

10:42

we didn't succeed on the first attempt.

10:44

And back then, a lot of that

10:46

generation, they would have their savings, not

10:49

in the Vietnamese currency, but in gold.

10:52

We escaped on a boat. So to get

10:54

on a boat, every person would

10:57

have to pay a huge amount in

10:59

gold sheets. So with the first attempt,

11:01

we failed and my parents lost a

11:03

lot of their savings. All come, it

11:05

failed. We were caught. The

11:07

boat got seized or stopped. Before we made

11:09

it onto the boat, we were put in

11:11

jail. The whole family. Yeah, the whole family.

11:13

And then it was not until

11:15

the second time. Big jail for your family.

11:17

Yeah. Oh, 50 of you. Yeah,

11:19

exactly. And then my parents worked really

11:21

hard again, tried to save up enough

11:23

money to try the second time. The

11:26

second time, my parents decided that maybe

11:28

instead of going all together at once,

11:30

let's split up a little smaller group

11:32

and then whoever succeed in getting out,

11:34

then maybe they can help. Okay, this

11:36

explains. Yeah, because mom ends up going

11:38

to Malaysia with three of your siblings

11:40

and you and dad and five others

11:42

go to Hong Kong. Yes. So my

11:44

mom and three of my siblings went

11:47

to Malaysia and then they stayed there

11:49

for a year and they were granted

11:51

political asylum and they immigrated to the

11:53

United States and they were there for

11:55

a year when we tried to escape

11:57

and we ended up in a refugee.

11:59

refugee camp in Hong Kong. You're seven

12:01

or eight. I was seven. You

12:04

must have memories of that. We're getting

12:06

old enough to have memories. Yeah, I

12:08

was running around in my house and

12:10

playing with my friends in Vietnam and

12:12

Saigon, and all of a sudden, I

12:14

find myself surrounded by security guards and

12:16

police officers in Chiangling fence. That I

12:19

didn't have the maturity or the wisdom

12:21

to understand why. You're living

12:23

the life of a prisoner, all of a sudden. Yeah, and

12:25

we were just in the makeshift refugee camp with a lot

12:27

of bunk beds. It was just extremely

12:29

crowded. Yes, and sanitation was

12:31

probably terrible. Yeah, your mom's not there. Yeah, my

12:33

best friend, my little brother was not there. I

12:36

was just with my five other siblings and my

12:38

father. And you were there for how long? A

12:40

year? More than a year.

12:42

Did they try to educate you? What happened all

12:44

day long? How did you spend that time? Not

12:46

much. It's not like they cared about school work

12:48

or anything. We were just waiting. My dad, more

12:50

than any of us, were trying to work on

12:52

the paperwork and try to get out of there

12:55

and try to get in contact with

12:57

my mom. And what's really interesting is for

13:00

many years, I didn't really understand what

13:02

was going on behind the scene. It

13:05

was not until this year that

13:07

I attended an event with Cate

13:09

Blanchett and Geneva for the UNHCR.

13:11

And they had an archive there

13:13

that they invited me to. And

13:16

I found all the

13:18

communication that UNHCR had with the Hong

13:20

Kong government at the time. When

13:22

we arrived on the shore of Hong Kong,

13:24

we were in a boat with 3,000 other

13:27

people. The Hong Kong government

13:29

was so scared because they just didn't know

13:31

what to do with us. And they were

13:33

trying to get the captain of that ship

13:35

to go to Taiwan instead of staying in

13:37

Hong Kong. And thank God for the UNHCR.

13:40

They were in constant contact with the

13:42

Hong Kong government and said, please let

13:44

these refugees and we'll figure it out.

13:47

And they were working constantly with many

13:49

other countries, you know, France, the US,

13:52

of course, Australia, UK. Like

13:54

if you can promise us to let these

13:56

refugees come on shore, we will work out

13:58

on how to get in contact with them.

14:00

and get them off your hands. We'll place

14:02

them everywhere. Oh my goodness. So you saw

14:05

all the correspondence. And there were records. I

14:07

found my name and my

14:09

family's name in that archive. You're

14:11

kidding. It was so emotional. It

14:13

was just incredible. For the longest

14:15

time, that experience existed only in

14:18

my memories. And of course, we

14:20

talked about it with our families,

14:22

but it was the first time

14:24

where I have paperwork.

14:26

I have proof that happened.

14:28

And also the contrast between,

14:31

obviously, I would imagine feeling quite

14:33

forgotten for a year, only

14:36

to find out later, you're a part of this

14:38

complicated and dynamic part of history

14:40

that's been recorded. Probably validates the

14:42

whole experience in a way. Absolutely.

14:44

A year when you're seven to

14:46

eight, it's a long time. It's

14:48

15% of your life. That

14:52

experience really changed

14:54

all of us. I was with five

14:57

of my other siblings and I look

14:59

at their lives now and they're so

15:01

strong-minded. They're so determined. They work really

15:03

hard. It made them a lot tougher.

15:06

And I think it really stemmed from

15:08

that experience going from having a home

15:10

to losing a home, being locked up

15:12

in a refugee camp and then coming

15:15

here. That's unimaginable. Do you think it's

15:17

given you all a baseline of gratitude

15:19

that's a little higher than everyone else's?

15:21

Absolutely. That's why to this day, I'm

15:24

very grateful. One, to the American government

15:26

at that time who allowed us into

15:28

this country and everything that's happened since.

15:31

How was it determined you'd go to California?

15:34

Because that's where my mom and three of

15:36

my siblings. They were living in Chinatown, Los

15:38

Angeles. Oh my God. In

15:40

fact, that archive had that address where

15:43

my mom was staying at because

15:45

they needed to contact her and

15:47

to find out where she was living so

15:50

that it made sense for my dad and

15:52

five of my other siblings and myself to

15:54

immigrate to the US. Yeah, you guys would

15:56

have a place to go specifically. Yeah, it

15:58

reminds you there are real. people on the

16:01

other side of this making those connections, right?

16:03

Like reaching out, finding the people in America,

16:05

then connecting them with the people in Hong

16:07

Kong, like people are doing this. Thank God

16:09

there are. Thank God. So

16:12

you land in California and I have

16:14

to imagine it's got to

16:16

be a tricky time to have

16:18

come from Vietnam. You're only four

16:20

years out from this war that

16:22

was the most divisive war we've

16:24

ever had at that point. I'm

16:26

sure feelings were all

16:28

over the map towards people that were

16:30

coming now from Vietnam. How was the

16:32

reception? How did you feel when you

16:35

guys got here? As an eight year

16:37

old, you don't really understand. And

16:39

especially when you have very protective

16:41

parents, they kind of shield you from

16:44

all of that and living in

16:46

Chinatown, Los Angeles was also very

16:48

beneficial because it's an old Chinese

16:50

community there insulated from all that

16:52

news that was going on around the world at

16:55

that time. And we were just trying

16:57

to assimilate into a new life. In

16:59

fact, my mom's friends, their children never

17:01

made it out. They either passed away

17:03

on that journey or got killed. So

17:05

we were very lucky, especially how

17:08

big my family is. All

17:10

of us made it alive. That is wild.

17:12

And did you fly from Hong Kong to

17:14

California? Yes. No more boat rides. Yeah. So

17:16

it's quite interesting how I was on

17:19

a boat in the middle of the

17:21

night, escaping Vietnam, arrive in Hong

17:23

Kong a year in a refugee camp. And then

17:25

I got on a plane to come to Los

17:27

Angeles. First plane ever. Yes. Were you excited

17:29

in a way that you had never been

17:32

in your life? You must've had a fantasy

17:34

about America. No, you hadn't seen like American

17:36

movies. We didn't have any of that. Oh,

17:38

okay. You were probably mad. You're like, why am

17:40

I on a plane? I was happy because one,

17:43

I was free. And second, I knew that at

17:45

the end of this flight, I

17:47

will be reuniting with my mom and my

17:49

brother and my other sisters who I haven't

17:52

seen for more than a year. Yes. You're

17:54

just so excited. I imagined for that reunion.

17:56

Had dad told you anything about America, like

17:59

what to expect? No, he didn't

18:01

even know. This is so fascinating. It's

18:03

not like there were televisions where we

18:05

can watch and see what the lives

18:07

in America is like. Yeah, Baywatch wasn't

18:09

out yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because

18:12

if you were born 10 years later, you

18:14

would have known all about Baywatch. Do you

18:16

sometimes think about that time and think, I

18:18

can't believe that was my life, that story

18:21

belongs to me? Like, I would be so

18:23

disassociated from that, I think. Because it's such

18:25

a huge deal. I don't think about that

18:27

experience often. What I do think about is

18:30

how lucky I am, how lucky my family

18:32

is. They're all doing really

18:34

well. Even during some of my darkest

18:36

days, I still feel grateful just because

18:38

we get to live in this great

18:41

country. Everyone made it safe. At some

18:43

point, though, you move up to Sunland

18:45

from Chinatown? We moved to Monaway Park

18:47

in the eastern part of Los Angeles.

18:49

Right by Alhambra? Yes, by Alhambra. Alhambra

18:51

has a pretty large Asian population. Yes.

18:54

Because my great fear for you as

18:56

a little nine-year-old boy is joining now

18:58

an elementary school where you don't speak

19:00

English, your very other, you

19:02

represent this war we just had.

19:05

I'm so scared for any little boy in

19:07

that situation. Was elementary fine? For me, it

19:09

was fine because I was trying very hard

19:12

to learn English, to get accustomed to this

19:14

new life. And you had a fair amount

19:16

of classmates that were also newly- Oh, yeah.

19:18

Back then, the elementary school was called Castelaw,

19:20

and it's still there. And I was in

19:23

a class with 30 other students. A lot

19:25

of them looked like me, and we all

19:27

spoke the same language. Okay. And all of

19:29

us were trying to learn English at the

19:31

same time. Oh, what a relief. This sounds

19:33

like the ideal. Okay, this

19:35

is an impossible gap. Because really, within

19:38

four years, you go from a refugee

19:40

camp to starring in

19:42

the biggest movie of the year with

19:44

the biggest movie star by the biggest

19:46

director of all time. This is really

19:48

not a possible experience. How do we

19:51

get from newly into the States to

19:53

getting in that movie? It's pretty insane.

19:55

I was just being a kid, going

19:57

to school, and one day, this- This

19:59

group of people came to my elementary

20:01

school and they had an open call.

20:05

What? This is a dream.

20:07

If I were you, I would actually think,

20:09

this can't be reality. You're definitely in a

20:11

simulation. So you didn't, were you like a

20:13

class clownie a little bit? I wasn't. In

20:15

fact, I wasn't even the one that was

20:17

auditioning. It was my little brother. His teacher

20:20

thought he was perfect. Sometimes even to this

20:22

day, I wonder why I was chosen and

20:24

not him because I think he's so much

20:26

more talented than me. And he's

20:28

funny. He makes me laugh all the time.

20:30

So he was more of a ham than

20:32

I was. And so he was auditioning for

20:34

the casting director and I was just behind

20:36

the camera, coaching him what to do, was

20:39

telling him like, David, do this, do that.

20:41

And telling him what kind of expression he

20:43

should be doing. And I was just like

20:45

shouting out directions. You're directing him. Oh my

20:47

God. They should have hired you to direct

20:50

him. And the casting director saw me and

20:52

I was speaking to my brother in Chinese,

20:54

in Cantonese. He saw something

20:56

in me and many years later, I

20:59

reunited with our casting director. And

21:01

he told me that they had a

21:03

hard time finding the perfect kid to

21:05

play short round. In fact, they

21:07

went to London, to Hong Kong, Singapore,

21:11

everywhere where there was a bigger Chinese

21:13

community. Because back then, Chinatown Los Angeles

21:15

was really small and they didn't think

21:17

they would find who they were looking

21:19

for there. So they went everywhere except

21:21

Chinatown Los Angeles. Oh wow. They were

21:23

about to give up and they said,

21:25

why don't we just give it one

21:27

last try? It's obvious how desperate they

21:30

were that they were going to random

21:32

elementary schools. Exactly. That's not the normal

21:34

casting. An open call. Yes, exactly. Especially

21:36

for a movie of this size. Oh

21:38

my God, this is unreal. Okay, so

21:40

you're barking orders at your brother, which

21:42

is hysterical. And I can see why

21:44

she or he would have seen,

21:46

oh, this is what we need. This is a

21:48

little guy who's running the show. Yeah, dynamic. And

21:51

short round was a total survivor.

21:53

I was precocious. Yes. You then

21:55

auditioned. Then I auditioned, they gave

21:57

me the sides and I could...

22:00

Barely speak English at all. Just

22:02

very little. And then my reading

22:04

comprehension was even worse. Of

22:06

course. So I was saying the lines and

22:08

really messing it up. Saying like, in the,

22:11

like trying to even understand what I was saying.

22:13

I'm not even saying the lines. I'm reading the

22:15

lines. You're just making a series

22:18

of sounds. Exactly. And he saw

22:20

something in there and he says, Key, why don't you put

22:22

that away and let's just talk. Who's

22:24

he? Mike Fenton. He cast E.T.,

22:26

the Goonies. Oh, this guy's a

22:28

genius. Yeah. So big casting director.

22:30

In fact, he told me years

22:32

later when we reunited again,

22:35

he said that after I left that room,

22:37

he called Steven Spielberg and he says, we don't

22:39

have to look any further. We found your kid.

22:41

Oh. And there's four. I just

22:44

got chills. I auditioned for Spielberg or

22:46

Lucas. Oh my God.

22:48

What are your parents thinking right

22:50

now? They had no clue what was going on

22:53

and they could barely speak in English when

22:55

they answered that phone. The first Indiana

22:57

Jones had come out. We haven't seen

22:59

it. But you knew about it, right?

23:01

No, we didn't know. I mean, don't

23:03

forget, we're living in Chinatown. We're very

23:05

insulated by this small Chinese community. So

23:08

we've never seen Star Wars. We've never

23:10

seen Raiders of the Lost

23:12

Ark. Jaws? No. Back then

23:14

we had a really small 13 inch black

23:17

and white television. We couldn't afford to go to

23:19

the movies. We didn't even have a car.

23:22

That's why when they call and they say, we

23:24

want you to come to Brobak and audition, my

23:26

mom said, we don't have any means to

23:28

get there. We're out. Yeah. Then

23:30

we'll send you a driver. Guys, this is

23:33

not, I'm trying to imagine what

23:35

the fuck your parents, they're having the

23:37

same grapple with reality too. It's like, what

23:39

is my life? These people are calling to

23:41

bring my child with a driver. I mean,

23:44

they must've just been trying to compute what

23:46

the fuck was going on. Maybe even also

23:48

scared. Yeah, like are we getting taken

23:51

advantage of? We didn't think much of

23:53

it. They didn't think I would land the role. Of

23:55

course. They want to see him, well sure, we'll

23:57

take him. We didn't know it was going to

23:59

be. a sequel to one of

24:01

the biggest movies of all time. Thank

24:04

God. It's great you didn't know. Because you would

24:06

have maybe felt a lot of pressure if you

24:08

knew who Spielberg was. Yeah, that's why when I

24:10

walked into the room, it was this bunch of

24:12

guys with a mustache and a beer. Yeah. I

24:15

didn't know their names. I didn't know any

24:17

of their work at that time. I didn't

24:19

know that I was meeting and talking to

24:22

three of the most successful people. Of all

24:24

time. Of all time, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

24:27

And written by Lawrence Kazen. Yeah, oh my gosh.

24:29

One of the greatest writers of all time.

24:31

Okay, so you go in there and clearly

24:34

you charm them in that audition. Where was

24:36

it filmed? It was filmed in Sri Lanka.

24:38

So after my audition for Steven and George

24:40

and Harrison, a few weeks later, I was

24:43

on a flight. Again, my second time being

24:45

on a flight to Sri Lanka.

24:47

The first time I was on a flight was

24:49

from Hong Kong to LA. I was in economy.

24:51

And all of a sudden, I'm flying first class

24:53

with my mom to Sri Lanka. And you're 12?

24:56

And I was 12, yeah. They're serving you

24:59

Coca Colas and nuts and all this stuff.

25:01

Sundays. And what's mom thinking? How's mom explaining

25:03

this to you? Because you're probably looking at

25:05

her like, how is this happening? She doesn't

25:07

know, but she's got to give you an

25:10

answer. I think she was just really happy

25:12

for me and proud. My parents gave up

25:14

so much. In fact, when we got to

25:16

the US, my parents were heavily in debt

25:19

because they just didn't have enough money to

25:21

get all of us out. So they were

25:23

borrowing money from their friends. And when we

25:25

got here, they were working really hard to

25:27

try to pay off that debt. And that's

25:30

why they put their 12 year old kid

25:32

to work. It

25:34

must have been an insane amount of money

25:36

relative to what they were making by

25:38

working. Here's what's so great about Lucas

25:41

and Spielberg. I was 12 years old.

25:43

We didn't have an agent or

25:45

a manager. We didn't have anybody to look

25:48

after us. No lawyer. So

25:50

whatever contract they gave us to sign

25:52

at that time, we just signed it.

25:54

Yeah, of course. But little did we

25:56

know, not only did they give me.

26:00

a really generous salary,

26:02

but they also made

26:04

me a profit participant.

26:06

No! They gave you

26:08

a point of the movie? Yeah, I was

26:10

able to share in the success of the

26:12

movie. That's why when the movie came out

26:14

and became one of the biggest movies in

26:16

1984, not

26:19

long after that, I got

26:21

a check in the mail.

26:23

And that check was so nice

26:26

that I was able to help my

26:28

parents pay off the debt. We were

26:30

renting a little house in Chinatown, and

26:32

I was able to use that money

26:34

to buy a house in Monterey Park

26:36

where my parents and all my siblings

26:38

can live a bit more comfortable. Again,

26:40

the range of luck you have. You've

26:42

got the worst luck and the greatest

26:44

luck all within a span of four

26:46

years. And I think that's what makes

26:48

it a great life. And not only

26:50

that, when the movie came out, our

26:52

world premiere was in London,

26:55

attended by Princess Diana and Prince

26:57

Charles at that time, who's King

26:59

Charles now. But going from

27:01

a refugee camp, and I'm standing in

27:04

line with Spielberg and Lucas and shaking

27:06

hands with Princess Diana. They should make

27:08

a movie about your life. I wanna

27:11

watch this movie. I wanna see a

27:13

little boy experience all this. I love

27:15

this. That makes me love

27:17

Steven Spielberg. They were so generous. Lucas had

27:19

done that too with the Star Wars cast.

27:21

He gave them percentage of their- But this

27:24

like 12 year old boy, like they could

27:26

have easily been like, eh. Everyone in Star

27:28

Wars was also a no name actor and

27:30

he gave them some of the toy rights.

27:32

That is so rare. You have to fight

27:34

for it. Oh my god. And be a

27:36

profit participant. No, you gotta say no and

27:38

walk away five or six times. It was

27:40

like on their own accord. It was out

27:43

of their generosity. Okay, so again, you have

27:45

no awareness of who Harrison Ford is either

27:47

at this point. So you arrive in Sri

27:49

Lanka and you start working with him immediately?

27:51

Yes. And is he intimidating?

27:53

He is a very big man with

27:55

a husky voice. No, he was not.

27:58

He was so friendly. And playful. And

28:00

playful. and humble and kind, I would

28:02

always play with him. Yeah. And

28:04

he would make me laugh. All of us

28:07

were staying in a hotel in Sri Lanka.

28:09

Every day after we wrapped, I would see

28:11

Harrison swim in the hotel swimming pool. And

28:13

I would always be on the side, watching

28:15

him go back and forth doing laps. And

28:19

one day he asked me, he says, Ke, come on in and

28:21

join me. And I go, I can't, I don't know how to

28:23

swim. And he says, what?

28:26

Come here. And he taught me. Get the...

28:28

He taught me how to swim. I love

28:30

to swim. Ke, this is bonkers. This is

28:32

the best story I've ever heard. This is

28:34

so special. I know you know

28:36

it, because you reflect on it a lot and you give

28:38

a lot of gratitude vocally, but how

28:41

wonderful. I guess I have such

28:43

distrust of anything good that

28:46

I would have had a hard

28:48

time, that whole experience, accepting

28:51

it was real. I would keep waiting

28:53

to almost wake up. As a kid,

28:55

you don't really know how special that

28:57

is. Of course. For

29:00

me, I thought, this is how movie making

29:02

is. Yes. You know, like from now

29:04

on, every movie that I make is gonna be like this.

29:06

The star will teach me how to swim. And

29:08

you would walk on these big scale,

29:10

beautiful sets. You get treated really well.

29:13

You have 200 days to shoot. So

29:15

I thought every movie was like, and then very quickly

29:17

I'd be like, oh wow, it doesn't always work like

29:20

that. It's crazy how good

29:22

you are in the movie having never

29:24

done it. I really think it's because

29:26

of Steven's direction. He's so good with

29:28

kids. He would tell me specifically how

29:30

to say my lines. And he would

29:32

give me directions where, if I just

29:35

follow that, then I can do what

29:37

he wants. He was just the kind

29:39

of, there was never any

29:41

screaming on sets. There was always laughter.

29:43

We can always goof around. Even though

29:45

we were shooting on film, it was

29:47

expensive to shoot on film. You have

29:50

to process all of that. We were

29:52

constantly making jokes, doing take after take

29:54

after take. And I would hear his

29:56

laughter behind the monitor and that's what

29:58

it was like. So it was fun.

30:00

liked acting. Because of that experience, that's

30:03

the reason why I fell in love

30:05

with acting. I remember we were shooting

30:07

in London, L Street Studios, and

30:09

that's where we built all those stages. I

30:12

didn't even know this is I hadn't seen Star Wars,

30:14

but I knew later on one

30:16

day Carrie Fisher came to visit.

30:18

I remember goofing around with her

30:20

on set, Mark Hamill. Oh they must

30:23

have all loved you. I think they were all there

30:25

for Harrison Ford. So

30:28

based on that experience, did it occur to

30:31

you like, well I want to do this

30:33

more? Or were you thinking

30:35

of it more like, wow this weird

30:37

magical lottery ticket fell in my lap,

30:39

that was that? Or what was your

30:41

thought when that movie wrapped? I

30:43

wasn't thinking about whether I want to do

30:45

this as a career. When Indiana Jones

30:48

came out, I was immediately offered to

30:50

do The Goonies. And I love making

30:52

movies because it got me out of school.

30:54

Yeah. I didn't have to spend eight hours

30:57

in school. I get to travel to these

30:59

wonderful places and treat it really well.

31:01

So I was just having a lot of

31:03

fun as a kid. And it was not

31:05

until as I got older did I

31:07

realize I loved this so much and I decided

31:10

that this is what I wanted to do for

31:12

the rest of my life. What

31:14

was it like when that movie came

31:16

out and all of a sudden all

31:18

the kids in school now know

31:20

you're in the biggest movie of the summer. It felt

31:22

really good. Nobody pay attention to me

31:24

prior to that. I was just one

31:26

of 30 something students there and I

31:29

couldn't even get my teacher's attention. And

31:31

all of a sudden I wish the star in the

31:33

class. You're a movie star. Were any boys

31:36

jealous of your attention and cruel to

31:38

you? That I don't know. You know as

31:40

a 12 year old you're not gonna think of people jealous

31:42

of you. Well you went to go do more movies.

31:44

You didn't have time to pay attention to the kids

31:46

in school. You had the bully. Yeah. I was skinny.

31:48

I was tiny and I think it's because of that that

31:50

I never got any bullying. Oh

31:53

okay. Yeah that didn't happen to a quadrant of

31:55

kids. They were so tiny that there was no

31:57

glory in pushing them around. Yeah.

32:00

That's so true. He's so easy to beat him. But what's

32:02

in front of that? Because I've always been humongous and people

32:04

think, oh, that must have been so nice. You

32:10

probably never got picked in. I'm like, no, no. The

32:12

opposite thing happened, which is like boys from older grades

32:14

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32:16

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32:18

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32:20

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32:22

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so you immediately go into Goonies. You're

35:00

now with another really spectacular director, Richard Donner,

35:02

and he took a real shine to you,

35:04

right? It was a

35:06

very different experience going from indie to the Goonies.

35:09

Because one, I was the only kid on set. So

35:11

I got all the attention, all the love. And

35:14

all of a sudden I walk on the Goonies set. I was

35:16

with six of them and I was like, you know what, I'm

35:19

not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna

35:21

do it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm

35:23

not gonna do it. And then he said, I was

35:25

with six other kids. You're one of six kids. And

35:28

they all knew what they were doing. Even

35:30

though it was their first movie, like Sean

35:32

Astin grew up in the movie family. Josh

35:34

grew up in the movie family. Jeff Cohen

35:36

was so awesome and cute and he was

35:38

a ham. And Corey Feldman was a pro

35:40

already. And they all knew how to look

35:42

the best in front of the camera, how

35:44

to say the lines, how to hit the

35:46

marks. This was only my second time. And

35:48

we drove Dick Donner crazy. You got bad

35:50

at trying to angle him all. Constantly jumping

35:52

on him, screaming on set, overlapping each other

35:54

all the time. Now I

35:57

have to fight for attention, which is something I

35:59

was very familiar with. because I grew up in

36:01

a big family. Yes. And

36:03

how were you getting along with the other kids? Obviously

36:05

you and Cohen became really close. Jeff,

36:08

who played Chunk, your lifetime friends. He's

36:10

even your lawyer now. He's

36:12

my lawyer. We're best friends. We see each

36:15

other all the time. Isn't that awesome? Chunk became

36:17

a lawyer. That's crazy. But the

36:19

reason why I became a lawyer, he wanted

36:21

to be an actor. And when he hit puberty,

36:23

all of a sudden, he wasn't

36:25

this fat, cute kid anymore. And he couldn't get

36:27

a job. It's

36:29

hard to go from a kid actor to

36:32

an adult actor. And he reached

36:34

out to Dick Donner and says, what can I

36:36

do? And it was Dick Donner that told him,

36:38

he says, kid, if you still want to be

36:40

in this business, acting isn't the only thing. You

36:42

can also do other stuff. And Dick Donner paid

36:44

for all four years of his college

36:46

tuition. And he went to maybe USC,

36:49

then UCLA. UC Berkeley, UCLA. Oh yeah,

36:51

Berkeley and then UCLA for law school.

36:53

There's all these angels in this

36:55

story. It's lovely. That's why it's

36:58

very heartwarming to see how successful

37:01

these people are, yet at the

37:03

same time, they're so generous and kind.

37:06

Man, okay, so was that

37:08

movie fun though? Of course you were

37:10

feeling probably the least prepared or the

37:12

least professional, but were you having fun?

37:14

Oh my gosh, it was incredible. Where were you

37:16

at, Oregon or something? We shot the exterior

37:19

stuff in Oregon. Then we shot the

37:21

majority of the movie at the Warner Brothers

37:23

lot. We built the pirate ship in the

37:25

biggest sound station. I believe it's stage 16.

37:28

And flooded it. That water was heated. Oh.

37:31

And Harrison Ford taught you how to swim, so you're

37:33

sad. One day we're walking

37:36

on the pirate ship, the next day we're

37:38

going down a water slide. I mean, it

37:40

was like a kid's dream. Yes. Yeah, wow.

37:42

And how did you get on with everybody? I

37:44

imagine Brolin was much older than you guys. He

37:46

was like the older brother. And we spent

37:48

a lot of time in a trailer doing

37:50

school work together. We were like a big

37:52

family. So as with any other family, there

37:55

was a lot of fighting. There was a

37:57

lot of love. There was a lot of

37:59

making fun of. Laughter we had all

38:01

of that. I imagine you're on camera

38:04

Personas or roles that were assigned you

38:06

bleed into the dynamic outside of the

38:08

set when you kid you're basically being

38:11

yourself Did you have a crush on

38:13

Martha Plimpton? Not Martha. I was too

38:15

young Were you 13? I

38:17

was 13 going on 14. I had

38:20

major crushes at that age You were a

38:22

little bit ahead of again. I was you

38:24

know, I think it was later on that

38:26

I thought Carrie Green was really pretty Yeah,

38:28

she was she is So,

38:31

okay that movie comes out and now this

38:33

is another hit movie It wasn't

38:35

as big of a hit as people

38:37

thought it was you have dick Donna

38:39

as a director Steven Spielberg as a

38:41

producer I think we

38:43

made around 66

38:47

67 million dollars versus Indiana Jones and the

38:49

temple of doom made 200 million But

38:52

it was also 1985 and 60 million 1985 was still a

38:54

major It

38:57

was probably but I know what you're saying There's

39:00

a handful of movies like this where we all

39:02

think they were even bigger than they were the

39:04

classic examples Shawshank Redemption every human being has seen

39:06

that movie and it made like eight million dollars

39:09

at the box office That movie

39:11

became a hit on home video and

39:13

that's what Goonies was it became a

39:15

huge hit on home video I bet

39:18

just as many people walking the planet

39:20

today have seen Goonies as they have

39:22

temple of doom Yes, if not, in

39:24

fact, there are more Goonies fans than

39:27

there are Indiana Jones fans. I bet

39:29

it's a very seminal movie It's one

39:31

of those movies where you grew up

39:33

watching it It made a huge impact

39:36

on your childhood and it changed you and it

39:38

was Beautifully assembled in the

39:40

archetypes where almost any moviegoer could

39:42

find themselves in that group of

39:45

kids That's the genius of that

39:47

story and that screenplay by Chris

39:49

Columbus. It is I think lesser

39:51

writers tend to write multiple Characters,

39:53

but none of them are very

39:55

clearly Differentiated that's the mark

39:57

of Christopher Columbus. Those are very specific

39:59

archetypes that play perfectly off each other.

40:01

And any kid watching that movie, you

40:03

can relate to any one of those

40:05

characters. And even at times, right? Like

40:08

I feel like Chuck sometimes. And then

40:10

also I feel like Brolin at times.

40:12

I feel like your mouth or Mikey.

40:16

One of the reasons why that movie became a

40:18

huge hit is really the direction of Dick Donner.

40:20

Back then, it is unheard

40:22

of to do a movie where you

40:24

have overlapping dialogue because of the editing.

40:26

So you always have one

40:29

actor finish their dialogue before another

40:31

actor say his. But we were kids

40:33

and we were just talking over one

40:35

another. The sound guy said, we can't

40:38

have this. And Dick Donner said,

40:40

shut up. Just let them be kids. Just

40:42

let them enjoy themselves. And that's what we did.

40:44

We were just being ourselves. Yeah. And just kill

40:46

the editor later. That's the editor's problem. I'm sure

40:49

they had so many headaches of putting that movie

40:51

together. So that one comes

40:53

out and now I imagine you're a bit

40:55

more savvy. You've now been at this for

40:58

a couple of years and you

41:00

go to the premiere and it's out again

41:02

and you're even more popular at school. Then

41:04

did you start thinking like, well, this'll just

41:06

continue like this. Not yet. Cause I was

41:08

still in school. So I was busy all

41:10

the time. If I'm not on a set,

41:12

I was in school trying to have a

41:14

normal life. That's why I never had any

41:17

real friends in school. It's because by the

41:19

time I made a friend, I would be

41:21

gone and then he would move on and

41:23

have some of the friends. Well, that's the

41:25

question I had. Even as an adult, it

41:27

can be kind of sad that you go

41:29

on a movie set and you're with people

41:31

for three months and you're as close as

41:33

people can be. And then you

41:35

return home to your real life and you just

41:38

don't see them anymore. And you're like, well, what

41:40

happened? And then you go back to school and

41:43

all of a sudden you find yourself kind of

41:45

like the new kid on the block. You don't

41:47

have any friends. And a lot of times what

41:49

happens is when I first go back to school

41:51

after I hiatus, everybody would have a lot of

41:54

interest in me. It's like, oh my gosh, like

41:56

key, right? Yeah. And then they would have a

41:58

lot of questions for me. Of course. And then

42:00

that quickly wears off because I already got

42:02

everything I need from you. And then all of a sudden

42:04

I feel myself being alone again. By the way,

42:07

in your life at this point is already

42:09

in this pattern of extreme highs and

42:11

lows. I wonder if you've even gotten

42:14

addicted to that cycle. Does

42:16

that make any sense? That's a great

42:18

question. I am an arousal junkie because

42:20

my childhood was all these peaks and

42:22

valleys and everything's really heightened. And I

42:24

kind of crave that level of drama

42:26

a bit. You're absolutely right. In some

42:29

fashion, I grew accustomed to that. It's

42:31

kind of like a musician when you're

42:33

performing on stage in front of 70,000

42:36

people and you hear like all these cheers

42:38

and applause and all of a sudden you

42:40

go backstage or to go back to the

42:42

hotel room and it's just dead quiet. It's

42:44

such a huge contrast. So you at

42:46

this point have an agent and you have

42:48

the whole team, but you end up doing

42:50

interestingly shortly after the Goonies, you do 40

42:52

episodes of a Taiwanese show where you're speaking

42:54

Mandarin. What was that experience like? Cause that's

42:56

got to be a, I don't want to

42:58

say a far fall, but a much different

43:00

experience. It was very different. If you

43:02

look at my resume, I basically accepted everything

43:04

that was offered to me. I

43:06

never said no to anything after

43:08

the Goonies. I did a television

43:11

show for CBS and it

43:13

was after that, then it started drying

43:15

up. And then here was an opportunity

43:17

from Taiwan. He says, we want you to do

43:20

it 40 episode. And I said, of course, because

43:22

I wasn't doing anything in the States. I would

43:24

go to Taiwan and do this and come back.

43:26

That sounds lonely. Even though I'm Chinese,

43:29

you know, I grew up basically in

43:31

the States. Yeah. I've grown accustomed to

43:33

what life is like in

43:35

America. Your other, even though you're

43:38

in theory, Chinese ethnicity. When I

43:40

go there and I think the Asian

43:42

diaspora in the States knows this, for example,

43:44

when I go back to China or to Hong

43:46

Kong, they never look at you as

43:48

one of their own, you're like a

43:50

foreigner. So when I went to Taiwan,

43:52

they thought I was American and I

43:54

don't read or write Chinese, so

43:57

it was a challenging time

43:59

to do a. 40-episode television

44:01

show because one, I didn't speak Mandarin at

44:03

that time, so I have to learn the

44:05

language. Oh my god. And second, they had

44:07

like a teacher to teach me phonetically how

44:09

to say those dialogues. And you had to

44:11

learn your dialogue orally. When you're 16, 17,

44:13

18, your memory works great. Yeah.

44:20

Not like now I learn my dialogue

44:22

way in advance, you know. Did you

44:24

notice any tension in the family? Was

44:26

there ever any jealousy between the nine

44:28

siblings? Were they like, well... Why'd they

44:30

pluck him out of this? No, no.

44:32

We were never competitive with one another.

44:35

In fact, it was quite the opposite

44:37

because I started to make a lot

44:39

of money. So when my siblings got

44:41

a little older and got their driver's

44:43

license, I was able to buy a

44:45

car for them. Oh. Yeah.

44:47

What a hero. All of this, you know,

44:50

comes with a lot of benefits. That's why

44:52

they're all very happy and very proud of

44:54

what I've done. But that's impressive because if

44:56

I was the younger brother and I was

44:58

the one auditioning the first time for Indiana

45:00

Jones and then this bizarre turn of events

45:02

happened, I'd be... You're like, that's my bus

45:04

ticket. I bought the bus ticket. Yeah, that's

45:07

my... Or lottery ticket. I should

45:09

be going there. Just quickly back to the

45:11

Taiwanese experience. Yeah, I have a friend who

45:13

is Mexican, but he was born in Chicago.

45:15

And he tells me when he goes to

45:18

Mexico, even though he speaks Spanish, he's almost

45:20

in a nether world. It's almost worse. Like

45:22

if he were straight American and white, there

45:24

would be this kind of fascination and this

45:27

maybe implicit status and all this stuff. But

45:29

the fact that he's neither Mexican nor in

45:31

their mind what the Americano is supposed to

45:33

look like, it's almost the worst of all,

45:36

three options. That's why for my entire life,

45:38

until recently, I always felt like an outsider.

45:40

When I go back, they treat me as

45:42

if I'm a foreigner. When I was growing

45:45

up in the States, I was treated like

45:47

I was an American. So for the longest

45:49

time, I always felt ruthless, especially because I'm

45:51

Chinese, but I was born in Vietnam. Yeah,

45:53

you're a mess. Yeah, so it's not good

45:56

for you mentally. I think maybe many, many

45:58

years ago, I needed therapy. I never had

46:00

it. That's why I'm messed up. Yeah, because

46:02

identity, this identity we construct is the core

46:05

of what makes us feel safe. I think

46:07

I spent my entire life searching for my

46:09

identity and never got it. I think it

46:11

can be a much harder row when it's

46:14

as complicated as yours is. It's not until

46:16

recently that I'm very

46:19

comfortable with who I am. And also

46:21

for the very first time, even though

46:23

I've been in this business for

46:25

40 years, it was the first

46:27

time that I felt Hollywood has finally accepted

46:29

me, that I belong. You're not an accident.

46:32

You're not a lottery ticket. By the way,

46:34

that's what I'm not putting a fine enough

46:36

point on. You're spectacular. I mean, the fact

46:38

that you got plucked out of school, now

46:40

that's luck. But boy,

46:42

do you deliver in Temple of Dune

46:45

and then fucking, my God, do you

46:47

pop in the Goonies. And this is

46:49

among a group of very talented people

46:51

who have long careers. So additionally to

46:54

the luck, you're showing up and you're

46:56

spectacular, which is wild.

46:58

But even though you're spectacular, I could

47:01

see where you might not think you

47:03

had earned or deserved that because you

47:05

didn't set out to do it. It

47:07

was very complicated. I'd imagine when Indian

47:09

Goonies came out at that time, it's

47:11

great because it's current news. This just

47:13

happened to you. Then can you imagine

47:15

what it's like five years

47:17

later, 10 years later, 20 years later, 30

47:22

years later when you are in your

47:24

40s and people still talk

47:26

about the work that you've done when

47:29

you were 12 years old. This

47:31

is, I think, a uniquely hard

47:34

experience to be very recognizable and

47:36

famous and not working. Yeah. We

47:38

just interviewed Chris Pine and

47:41

his father was on chips and he was huge. Everyone

47:43

in the country knew who his father was and then

47:45

he had a long period of not working and he

47:47

had to just get normal jobs. And

47:49

to have a normal job and be famous,

47:51

I think is a unique experience that has

47:54

got to be extremely hard. It was difficult.

47:56

I've done comic cons for many years where

47:58

I'm signing autographs. on a picture, you know,

48:00

I was a kid. I

48:03

feel grateful and blessed that I have

48:05

those two movies, but for the longest

48:07

time, I always wished that

48:10

I have something as

48:12

an adult where people recognize

48:15

me for. I said it in my

48:17

acceptance speech at the Golden Globes and

48:19

there was something that scared the

48:21

shit out of me because it was

48:24

something that I never shared before, but

48:26

for the longest time, I was so

48:28

afraid that no matter what I did

48:30

in my adult life, that I can

48:32

never surpass what I achieved as a

48:35

kid. Your experience can only be compared

48:37

to the 16-year-old that wins

48:39

the Olympics in gymnastics and now has

48:41

the rest of their life where

48:44

there'll be no more Olympics and there'll be

48:46

no more gold medals and there'll be no

48:48

more Wheaties commercials. It's a unique

48:50

thing to peak so early. I think it

48:53

could be torturous. For a long time, you

48:55

know, there was like rumors about how,

48:57

oh, we're gonna do a Goonies sequel and

48:59

I was just praying to God and

49:01

Buddha, please let that come to

49:03

fruition because I always thought that would kickstart

49:06

my acting career again. And every few years,

49:08

there will be rumors, you know, Warner Brothers

49:10

or Spielberg would hire writers and now we

49:12

have a script and I always be holding

49:14

my breath and it's like, oh, please let

49:16

the phone ring and tell me that we're

49:18

gonna do this again, you know? And

49:21

it never came to pass. So at a

49:23

certain age, you have to make a very

49:25

painful decision that you're gonna stop pursuing acting.

49:28

Yeah. This becomes an interesting

49:30

chapter in anyone's life, even if you didn't

49:32

have the previous chapter, but you do, you

49:34

decide to go to USC. That was one

49:36

of the most difficult decisions that I've ever

49:38

had to make in my entire life. I

49:41

was in my early 20s. It

49:43

was like right after high school. You're

49:46

already in your backup plan. Yeah, everybody

49:48

had their entire life ahead of them

49:50

and I had it behind me. I

49:52

find myself going, oh my gosh, there

49:55

is no road for me to move

49:57

forward. I can never hit that

49:59

success. I

1:18:00

love him. It's hard not to love this.

1:18:02

I love him too. Oh my God. He is

1:18:04

the sweetest. When I won the Oscar during one

1:18:06

of those commercial breaks, I went up to him,

1:18:08

gave him a big hug and I told him,

1:18:10

I said, Stephen, I hope I made you proud

1:18:12

tonight. And he said,

1:18:15

Keith always made me proud.

1:18:17

Yeah. This

1:18:19

is too much. Well,

1:18:22

you were celebrated from Loki too. You won

1:18:25

a TV Critics Choice Award. I was nominated.

1:18:27

Oh, you didn't win? No. Well, then I

1:18:29

take that back. Honestly,

1:18:31

that was such a huge gift of

1:18:33

being given that opportunity to play or

1:18:35

Boris. Can I say something really quick

1:18:37

about Steven Spielberg? I feel like he

1:18:40

must feel some

1:18:42

responsibility for you. The presence say

1:18:44

that a little bit like I

1:18:47

plucked this boy out

1:18:49

of his elementary school and

1:18:52

changed his life. I have some responsibility. I

1:18:54

have some responsibility to him to make sure

1:18:56

it's good. Not that he should have felt

1:18:58

that but I could see him feeling

1:19:01

that way. Has he said anything to

1:19:03

you as such? No, I mean, he's

1:19:05

given me so much. He was the

1:19:07

first filmmaker to put an

1:19:10

Asian kid in a big Hollywood movie

1:19:12

and he didn't do it one time.

1:19:14

He did it two times. We change

1:19:16

not only my life but also my

1:19:18

family's life. So he's given me so

1:19:20

much. I don't know how he felt

1:19:22

but I would never say that he

1:19:24

should be responsible for because he's already

1:19:26

Oh my gosh. I could never ask

1:19:28

for anything more than what he's already

1:19:30

mean. He seems like such a key

1:19:32

seems like he's not a incredible person

1:19:34

and soul that I can imagine that

1:19:36

he probably took over the years. I

1:19:38

would do something and I would get

1:19:40

a card in the mail and said

1:19:42

key. I just saw you in this

1:19:44

you were brilliant. He was keeping an

1:19:46

eye on me. So

1:19:49

key. What are you doing next? I know you

1:19:51

were in Kung Fu Pan before. Yeah, that was

1:19:53

my first voiceover ever. And

1:19:55

how did you like it? I loved it.

1:19:57

It was a very different experience. I think

1:19:59

doing voiceover. you have to place

1:20:01

your faith and trust in the filmmakers more

1:20:04

than live action. Because

1:20:06

I didn't get to read the full script. I

1:20:09

didn't know what was going on. So I was in

1:20:11

a recording booth with two of my directors and

1:20:13

I just have to believe that whatever

1:20:16

I'm giving them is good enough. I

1:20:18

have no knowledge of context of what

1:20:20

I'm doing. You're doing the performance

1:20:22

in a vacuum. Yeah. So

1:20:25

weird. I'm bad at it. I've done a bit of

1:20:27

it and it does not come easy for me. It's

1:20:30

almost like the opposite of what I had to train

1:20:32

myself to do as an actor, which is be calm,

1:20:34

be still, have patience. I would

1:20:36

think that your voice is so

1:20:38

beautiful. It's like perfect for it.

1:20:42

Well, just be so heightened. My fears of like,

1:20:44

oh my God, I'm being so broad right now

1:20:46

and terrible. But that's what it calls

1:20:48

for. Yeah. Well, with all

1:20:50

this stress on your shoulders, what are you

1:20:53

doing next? I just finished a movie for

1:20:55

Universal Studios. It's called With Love. My

1:20:58

first ever movie as the number one on

1:21:00

Car Seat, a major studio film. That's so

1:21:02

exciting. Are you allowed to tell us what

1:21:04

it's about? It's an action movie produced by

1:21:07

David Leech and Kelly McCormick, who did The

1:21:09

Fall Guy. Yes, I know David

1:21:11

Leech for years. Yeah, he's great. It's

1:21:13

an 87 North movie. It's a big

1:21:15

action movie. We had a lot of fun.

1:21:18

I grew up watching Jackie Chan and Sammo

1:21:20

Hong, you know, the Hong Kong 80s action

1:21:22

movies and they all did their

1:21:25

own fights. So going into this one,

1:21:27

I knew the very first thing that

1:21:29

I wanted to do was to do

1:21:31

all my fights. There's something special about

1:21:33

watching a movie knowing that the

1:21:35

actors are doing it all and not some

1:21:37

stunt double. I completely agree. But then mentally,

1:21:39

I think I'm 21. Yeah. But

1:21:41

then when I do it, I'm surprised. I go,

1:21:43

oh, wow, I'm feeling really proud because I can

1:21:46

do the moves. Then I wake up the next

1:21:48

day, I go, oh my God, like my back,

1:21:50

but nothing. A couple of times I'll know

1:21:52

what it's like. Sure. I cannot recommend

1:21:54

enough for people to go back and

1:21:57

watch the early Jackie Chan movies from

1:21:59

Hong Kong. Because he was Buster Keaton.

1:22:01

I mean, he's jumping out of buildings.

1:22:04

He's jumping onto buses from 40 feet. And

1:22:06

I mean, the amount of stunts he did,

1:22:08

we've never seen anything like that. And I

1:22:10

don't think we will ever see anything like

1:22:12

it again, because now you wouldn't put

1:22:14

an actor in that position. I mean,

1:22:17

he's broken so many bones. He's

1:22:19

going through plate glass windows. Those

1:22:21

early movies are almost impossible to

1:22:23

believe they're real. And especially now

1:22:26

with the technology of AI and deep

1:22:28

fake is like, why would any actor

1:22:30

do that? Yeah. Well, that's so exciting.

1:22:32

It's a big love story and action

1:22:34

movie, and it comes out next February.

1:22:37

Wonderful. You should

1:22:39

go back on Colbert because you were

1:22:41

on Colbert on Valentine's Day. That's

1:22:43

right. Yes. Yes. Yes. You started

1:22:45

your segment by saying happy Valentine's Day. You're

1:22:48

good, Daxa. So

1:22:50

you should go back and commemorate it. Oh, and Valentine's

1:22:53

Day is her anniversary too. It's the anniversary of

1:22:55

the show. Yeah. We have a good cast. I'm

1:22:57

in it with Ariana DeBose who gave me the

1:22:59

Oscars when I won. She was crying. Yeah.

1:23:01

She was. I love her so much. I remember

1:23:03

her opening the envelope and announcing

1:23:06

my name with such emotions. She

1:23:08

couldn't even say it. And then Michelle Lynch

1:23:10

is in this too. You know, you want

1:23:12

a Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. Fun.

1:23:14

Oh, this is exciting. I'm so happy

1:23:17

for you. Thank you so much. I'm so

1:23:19

happy. What a beautiful story. What a story.

1:23:21

My God. Really quick. I am landing the

1:23:23

plane, but it crossed my mind. It's almost

1:23:25

like an Epic your life in your 20

1:23:28

years of wandering. Did you ever have the

1:23:30

fantasy? Like, you know, who's going to call

1:23:32

me Quentin Tarantino? Because

1:23:34

he has this history of bringing

1:23:36

back people that we all loved.

1:23:39

Did you ever let yourself fantasize that maybe he

1:23:41

was going to call you? No. So

1:23:44

weird. I love, I'm a big fan of his

1:23:46

movies. But you know, he brought Travolta back and

1:23:48

he brings down Johnson back. I never had that.

1:23:50

I didn't know this, but being

1:23:53

an Asian actor in Hollywood, what condition

1:23:55

to think a certain way, let me

1:23:57

give you an example. And

1:24:00

then 87 North, David Leech

1:24:02

and Kelly McCormick came to me with

1:24:04

love. I read the script

1:24:07

and I said, oh, you got

1:24:09

the wrong person. This script is written

1:24:11

for somebody else, for a white actor.

1:24:13

And I actually passed on it. And

1:24:15

they came back the second time and

1:24:17

they go, read it again. And

1:24:20

I passed the second time. Oh my Lord.

1:24:22

And then they go, we want you to

1:24:24

come in. And I remember meeting them in

1:24:27

person and they had slides of me as

1:24:29

that character. And I was staring at it

1:24:32

and I'm looking at David Leech, who was

1:24:34

one of the biggest directors in Hollywood. And

1:24:37

I said, how come he can see me

1:24:40

in this role and I can't see myself

1:24:42

in this role? It dawned on me that

1:24:45

because my entire life, when I

1:24:47

go to a movie theater, when I

1:24:49

watch a movie similar to this,

1:24:51

it always stars. Go ahead,

1:24:53

say it. Someone like

1:24:55

you. Someone

1:24:59

not like me. Ryan Reynolds,

1:25:01

that type. Yeah, so I didn't know

1:25:03

that I was conditioned to think a

1:25:05

certain way. When you said like, did

1:25:07

I ever dream a director like Tarantino

1:25:09

would call me one day? No, I

1:25:11

never did. I dreamt that I would

1:25:13

get a call from my agent telling

1:25:15

me, there's this great role for you.

1:25:17

I think you're perfect for it. We're

1:25:19

going to send you out, given the

1:25:21

opportunity to try to prove to them,

1:25:23

to try to convince the filmmaker and

1:25:25

the producer that I am

1:25:27

right for this. And ever since the

1:25:30

Oscars, I'm very grateful for everything that's

1:25:32

happened since. But it's so

1:25:34

interesting how all these years, I thought

1:25:36

I was good for it, but nobody

1:25:38

thought I'd be perfect for it. Everything

1:25:40

everywhere had to happen. I had to

1:25:42

win an Oscar. And now it's flipped.

1:25:44

Now they all think you can do

1:25:46

it. And you're worried you can't. Yeah,

1:25:48

isn't that interesting? It is. And

1:25:51

it's so common. The flip that has to

1:25:53

happen once you've achieved something you wanted, you

1:25:55

have to reset your whole brain. We see

1:25:58

on here all the time, like. that

1:36:00

word. Be content, be content, yeah. Content,

1:36:02

it doesn't mean super high highs or

1:36:05

super low lows, it's just like middle.

1:36:07

Yeah. But we like high

1:36:09

highs here and they come with lows.

1:36:12

I'll give you the moment that is most,

1:36:14

has, and again, it's hard to know if

1:36:16

this is in my head, but I feel

1:36:18

very strongly about this. The funniest moment, and

1:36:21

it's repeated every few hours, when we all

1:36:23

go in, all eight of us go into

1:36:25

the gas station on the side of the

1:36:27

road when we're driving, and we get snacks,

1:36:29

I'm positive, even though the person owns it

1:36:31

and they would wanna sell, I think they

1:36:34

think, you guys are buying way too much

1:36:36

stuff. Like this

1:36:39

is, like I think they're disgusted

1:36:42

by how much stuff we buy. Yes,

1:36:45

I'm sure they are. Yeah,

1:36:47

that's fascinating. Yeah,

1:36:49

like Eric and I are both getting a couple

1:36:51

Coke Zeros for the car ride and then some

1:36:53

waters, and whatever, I'm like, even

1:36:56

the owner wants to go, I

1:36:58

don't want you to buy this much. That's enough, yeah. I

1:37:00

don't wanna sell this much stuff to you. This is totally

1:37:03

inappropriate. And again, I don't

1:37:06

know if I'm being triggered, or being judged,

1:37:08

it's all in my head. I'm

1:37:10

not sure, but I do have this sense that

1:37:12

they're pretty disgusted with how much stuff we buy

1:37:14

at the gas station. And

1:37:16

when we're ordering at restaurants, I can tell they're real,

1:37:19

they've told us that's too much food. No.

1:37:22

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we were at a pizza place

1:37:24

last night and the guy said, that's too much food.

1:37:26

You ordered that and that, and that's too much food.

1:37:28

Are you getting testy with them

1:37:30

or no? No, no, no, by the way,

1:37:32

I wanna be clear. They're

1:37:35

so nice, everyone here is nice.

1:37:37

It's good folk, there's no question

1:37:39

about it. Their country's so fucking beautiful.

1:37:41

And also I was thinking it's

1:37:43

gotta be annoying because there's gotta be more

1:37:45

tourists in this country than there are citizens.

1:37:48

I mean, there's so many tourists here.

1:37:50

Oh wow, really? Yeah, like, well, in

1:37:52

Iceland, we learned the number, it was

1:37:55

preposterous, there's like seven tourists to every

1:37:57

one inhabitant of Iceland. Oh my God.

1:37:59

There's only like four or 500,000 people

1:38:02

that live in Iceland and there's a few

1:38:04

million people there on vacation. So, you

1:38:07

know, you try to factor that in, like that'd

1:38:09

be annoying as hell. But all that to say,

1:38:11

I've just been doing a lot of thinking about

1:38:13

this happiest place on earth thing. It's very interesting.

1:38:15

Yeah, that is really interesting. And also cause

1:38:17

I've talked to Jess about it cause he

1:38:19

grew up, you know, he spent the

1:38:22

11 years in Sweden when he was young. Yeah.

1:38:25

And he has a specific take

1:38:27

on Sweden that most people

1:38:29

don't. And it is to him,

1:38:31

one note kind of, yes, there's

1:38:33

like a little bit of a

1:38:35

bleak, like a darkness, a gray.

1:38:38

Yeah. Um, and I was like, would

1:38:40

you, would you want to go back there? And he said, I'm good.

1:38:45

Yeah, it's just different. I'm not at

1:38:47

all saying one's better or worse. It's just,

1:38:49

it's, it's, it's impossible not to notice. Well,

1:38:52

also within one year you've been

1:38:54

to basically the opposite,

1:38:57

like the opposite, even the Indian you've

1:38:59

been to sweet to

1:39:01

Norway. Yeah. There's like one person

1:39:04

per hundred square mile here. Yes.

1:39:06

And then when we were in India, it's

1:39:08

like, it's on life is on. Yes. And

1:39:10

it's in, there's a fervor and a vibrancy.

1:39:14

Yeah. It's, it's really interesting

1:39:16

when we were in old

1:39:18

Delhi, you know, there's poverty

1:39:20

everywhere, it's poor. It's like

1:39:22

a struggle. Having a great time. Yeah,

1:39:24

they are. And that, that is an

1:39:26

interesting juxtaposition to what you're saying. There's

1:39:29

like no poverty, but it's, it doesn't

1:39:31

have that energy. Yeah.

1:39:33

So then of course it's like,

1:39:35

I think it's tempting to go

1:39:37

back in history to wonder when

1:39:40

this divergence happened and you're thinking

1:39:42

of the Vikings and you're thinking

1:39:44

of their different forms of

1:39:46

royalty that they had, but really.

1:39:49

I think you need to go back to the

1:39:51

first migration here. I think like what I'm saying,

1:39:54

the fact that someone preferred to be

1:39:56

up here than to be down South where everyone had

1:39:58

come from. It says

1:40:00

a lot. That's like, that's who you're starting with. And

1:40:02

then, you know. Yeah, just in. And of course in

1:40:05

Italy, those people got there and they're like, hey, let's

1:40:07

go, this is a party. This is fucking hundreds of

1:40:09

miles from Africa. They didn't go very far. They're

1:40:13

like, these olives are growing everywhere.

1:40:16

I don't know, it's been really fascinating.

1:40:19

But again, what a gorgeous place, impossibly

1:40:21

beautiful. Okay, I'm gonna

1:40:23

tell on us, boy, now you're gonna start

1:40:25

thinking like, well, you deserve to be judged

1:40:27

if you're being judged. And this is true.

1:40:29

So, Eric almost got arrested

1:40:32

yesterday. Oh my God. What?

1:40:36

What happened? Okay, so

1:40:38

remember you were a little bit worried. I

1:40:40

gotta stop. We should have done this

1:40:43

at the very beginning. I think it would

1:40:45

have been announced by now. Maybe people

1:40:47

have heard or maybe they've read or maybe they don't know. But

1:40:50

we have signed a new deal with Wondry

1:40:52

and we're super excited. So we're going to

1:40:54

Wondry. And we're also

1:40:56

going to be introducing

1:40:59

on the fact checks videos. So you'll

1:41:01

get to see my embarrassing

1:41:03

faces. And we're

1:41:05

gonna also start doing video on experts.

1:41:08

Yeah, so we're gonna have video on

1:41:10

Thursdays, videos on both of our fact

1:41:12

checks. You can still just listen. If

1:41:14

you want, that'll be available as well.

1:41:17

Yeah, not one thing will be taken away. We'll

1:41:19

just be adding some things. And

1:41:22

you can still listen everywhere. This

1:41:24

is not, you don't have to download anything or you

1:41:26

can listen wherever you are to listen. And

1:41:29

what is very exciting, because I've had a

1:41:31

hunch some of the listeners would have preferred

1:41:33

at some point to pay to listen to us

1:41:35

ad free. That's also gonna be an option

1:41:37

now for you if that interests you. Just wanna

1:41:40

say like we have this because you guys,

1:41:42

in particular the people listening to the fact check.

1:41:45

You're all so consistent and

1:41:48

you've just made so

1:41:50

much value for us. And

1:41:52

it's impossible. And thank you

1:41:54

so much. It's hard

1:41:56

to accept what a

1:41:58

wonderful gift. everyone that's been so loyal

1:42:00

has given to us. So thank you,

1:42:02

thank you, thank you. Yeah,

1:42:05

it's very special. We're very grateful. Okay,

1:42:07

and now on to something not so special. So, a

1:42:10

very long, we were on, as

1:42:12

you pointed out on a Thursday's fact check, Eric

1:42:14

booked us on a tour. It started on a

1:42:17

train ride at 10 a.m. That

1:42:19

was a two hour train ride. We got

1:42:21

off, we got onto another train that was

1:42:23

smaller. That was another hour and a half

1:42:25

train. Then we got off that train

1:42:27

and got onto a ferry and that was a two

1:42:29

hour ferry. And then we got off that

1:42:31

and we rode on a bus for an hour and a

1:42:33

half. And then we got back

1:42:35

on a train and then went back to Bergen where we

1:42:37

started. So that was like an 11 hour thing. Well,

1:42:40

Eric vapes. And there's really

1:42:42

not a lot of places to vape for him. So,

1:42:47

Molly and I happened to get up to

1:42:49

go to the bathroom on the ferry at

1:42:52

the same time. And as we turned the

1:42:54

corner, there's like five bathrooms that all

1:42:56

have their own door. And

1:42:58

as we approach, there's like

1:43:00

five of the ferry workers.

1:43:03

People with walkie talkies, official

1:43:06

gear. And I just,

1:43:09

I immediately, I just have

1:43:11

a hunch instinctually, Eric has

1:43:13

something to do with this.

1:43:15

There's so many workers have

1:43:17

congregated and they're knocking on a

1:43:19

door and they're going, are

1:43:21

you okay? And I'm

1:43:24

like, oh, fuck. And I turned to

1:43:26

Molly and I go, that has to be

1:43:28

Eric. He has to be in there vaping.

1:43:31

Cause it's not, it's illegal there. Well,

1:43:34

yeah, especially in the bathroom.

1:43:36

So I go, do you think that's Eric? And

1:43:39

she goes, oh my God, do you think he's

1:43:41

in there vaping? And right when we're like debating

1:43:43

this, they opened the door and oh,

1:43:46

so much. Oh

1:43:49

no. Oring out

1:43:51

of the bathroom. If

1:43:53

you were directing the scene in

1:43:55

a movie, you'd go that's guys, it's way over

1:43:57

the top. There's no way someone could have created.

1:44:00

and the second we saw all of

1:44:02

that smoke billow out, we both ran, we

1:44:04

got out of there. We didn't want anything

1:44:07

to do with what was going on.

1:44:10

And so we like go around the

1:44:12

corner and we don't want anyone to

1:44:14

see us and now we can hear

1:44:16

everyone talking. Now they're talking to a passenger

1:44:18

and thank God he wasn't in there. But

1:44:21

he had been and he left and now

1:44:23

a passenger's going, a man was in there,

1:44:25

he left. This

1:44:28

isn't me, this is not

1:44:30

the man. And

1:44:32

I then turned the corner, out of the doors

1:44:34

all the way open and

1:44:36

it's just an impossible amount of

1:44:38

vapor coming out of the bathroom.

1:44:42

Oh God. I

1:44:45

go back to our seat, Eric's sitting there, like

1:44:47

no big deal, he's on his phone. I

1:44:50

go, Eric, did you just fucking

1:44:52

hotbox the bathroom? And he

1:44:55

goes, why, yeah, what happened? The whole

1:44:57

staff is there right now investigating. They're

1:44:59

like talking to another passenger. And

1:45:01

he's like, oh my God. So then

1:45:04

he puts on Kristen's purple hat that

1:45:07

says like deja vu on it. And

1:45:11

then he puts on like

1:45:13

Molly's puffer jacket. Wait, why?

1:45:15

Did the camouflage? Yes,

1:45:18

all he had on was this tie dye shirt. Like

1:45:20

he was so identifiable.

1:45:22

Oh. I

1:45:27

guess this is not the most Eric story you've

1:45:29

ever heard. Oh my God. You

1:45:33

know, this also happened to him on

1:45:35

an airplane. Like he vaped on an

1:45:38

airplane, almost got kicked off. Molly brought

1:45:40

that up and she was saying, Eric,

1:45:42

you have to now admit you can't

1:45:45

smoke in these bathrooms. There are detectors

1:45:47

in there. Yeah. So

1:45:50

now Eric is like in full disguise,

1:45:52

like he's in a movie and

1:45:55

he's crouched down. We have another hour and 15

1:45:58

minutes on this ferry. And he is truly. He's

1:46:01

like, they'll arrest you for that here, right?

1:46:03

And we're all thinking like, oh my God,

1:46:05

what happens when Eric gets arrested in the

1:46:07

middle of this tour? And we're on all

1:46:09

these, like catch a ferry, then catch a

1:46:11

train, like if we're dealing with an, I

1:46:13

don't even know how we begin to get

1:46:15

home. Anywho, he kept

1:46:17

the disguise on and he kept his

1:46:20

low profile and then we got off

1:46:22

the boat successfully. Everything blew

1:46:24

over and he kept his disguise on on

1:46:26

the bus. It's

1:46:31

not a disguise when you're wearing a

1:46:33

bright purple hat. But

1:46:38

anyways, he kept it on on the bus and then he kept

1:46:41

it on the final train ride. And

1:46:43

I said to Eric, are you gonna keep

1:46:45

this on till we get to Denmark? Like

1:46:47

do you think there's an APB out for

1:46:49

you nationwide? Oh

1:46:51

my God, that is

1:46:54

so funny. Oh Eric. I

1:46:56

know. So if they're mad at us, they have

1:46:58

a right to be, I guess. Yeah,

1:47:01

stupid Americans breaking the law.

1:47:04

Vaping in the can. Is

1:47:06

it illegal here? I mean,

1:47:08

I don't pay much attention because I

1:47:10

don't vape, but is it illegal to

1:47:13

do in a public? Well, it

1:47:15

certainly is in the airplane bathroom in

1:47:17

that like commercial airline it is.

1:47:20

I don't know, I don't know. I

1:47:22

assume if the whole staff was there, it wasn't.

1:47:26

Yeah, I mean, it might be definitely

1:47:28

probably there, but I mean even here,

1:47:30

because obviously smoking in a bathroom

1:47:33

would be illegal. Yeah. Even

1:47:36

though there's a song smoking in the

1:47:38

boys room. No, it's still illegal. You

1:47:41

know that song, don't you? Smoking in

1:47:44

the boys room. I

1:47:46

think it's Motley Crue. What's

1:47:49

been happening on your side of town? Oh,

1:47:52

I'm reading a very sexy book. It's

1:47:55

called All Fours. Oh,

1:47:57

I better be sexy with that title. It

1:47:59

is. It's by Miranda July,

1:48:02

incredible author. And

1:48:04

it's kind of the book of the summer. Everyone's

1:48:06

reading it. Everyone's gonna be horny

1:48:08

this summer? Yes, it is

1:48:10

sexy. Great summer to be a single

1:48:12

dude. Definitely. Or you can be-

1:48:15

And is it mostly about doggy style or? No,

1:48:17

it's about a woman who, she's 45 and

1:48:21

she is going to meet her

1:48:23

friends in New York. Her husband suggests that she

1:48:26

drive there and take a

1:48:28

road trip and she doesn't

1:48:30

make it there. She

1:48:32

stops an hour away

1:48:35

and stays. Oh,

1:48:39

wow. And stuff happens. It's a

1:48:41

midlife crisis, but it's hot. Pulls

1:48:45

the eject button on her life.

1:48:47

Well, I'm like 100 pages in,

1:48:50

so I don't know how this will end, but she

1:48:52

stops basically an hour outside

1:48:54

her home. Gets a

1:48:57

hotel room and is

1:48:59

planning on going back after

1:49:02

the quote, trip is over.

1:49:05

Yeah, but she meets someone in the lobby? She

1:49:08

meets someone at a gas station and

1:49:10

yeah, trouble

1:49:12

ensues. Whoa. It's

1:49:14

so good. Well listen, if people love

1:49:16

that book and they've already read, that reminds me of

1:49:18

a couple other books that are great, that are older,

1:49:21

that are like that, but Erica Yong, Fear of Flying,

1:49:23

have you ever read that? No. It's

1:49:26

supposed to be one of the most seminal feminist

1:49:28

works and it introduces the concept, I've brought this up

1:49:30

on here before, of the ziplist fuck. This

1:49:32

is her, yeah. You

1:49:35

should really read Fear of Flying when you're done

1:49:37

with this. If you wanted it to be

1:49:39

a horny summer. Horny summer, yeah.

1:49:41

Also, I started following the New

1:49:43

York Times book review

1:49:47

Instagram. There was a

1:49:49

book that I'm really excited to read

1:49:51

also after this, that also sounds horny.

1:49:55

I definitely recommend it. I'm enjoying

1:49:58

it. Okay, Dallas, California.

1:50:00

there was something I wanted to add

1:50:02

to our previous conversation, because last

1:50:04

night Delta and I watched, well the last

1:50:06

two nights Delta and I watched two more

1:50:08

episodes. I've completed it. You're

1:50:11

all done. Yeah. I think

1:50:13

the thing we left out of our

1:50:15

first conversation about it, which is really

1:50:17

important, is they love it. I

1:50:20

think it's so important. They love it

1:50:22

so much. Like when that girl who's

1:50:24

been injured is like, it's the best

1:50:27

five years of my life and I'm afraid

1:50:29

the rest of my life's not even gonna

1:50:31

live up to it. Like she loves it.

1:50:33

You know, we had our own criticisms of

1:50:36

certain, or not, you know, observations, but I

1:50:38

wanna be clear, like the reason I don't

1:50:40

mind any of it is like they want

1:50:42

to do it so bad and they're so

1:50:44

happy doing it. Does it destroy their body?

1:50:47

Yeah, probably. But so does football,

1:50:49

you know? Yeah, I mean, that's

1:50:51

why I said I think it's

1:50:53

a very interesting depiction of being

1:50:56

attached to an identity, because they

1:50:58

do love it, but there

1:51:00

are real, there are issues,

1:51:02

you know, one being that like they're 23

1:51:06

and have to have hip surgeries. Yeah.

1:51:09

That's rough. Yeah. And

1:51:12

some of them, as you keep

1:51:14

watching, you know, they like it,

1:51:17

but they know it's not good

1:51:19

for them, like mentally even. Yeah.

1:51:23

But they can't put it down because who are

1:51:25

they if they put it down? Yeah, I guess

1:51:27

what I'm saying is like, I have to be

1:51:30

fair and make it equivalent to any other

1:51:32

sport where people are really deciding like, yeah,

1:51:35

I mean, I could get CTE,

1:51:37

that's very common, or I'm a wrestler and I

1:51:39

have to fucking lose 12 pounds

1:51:41

in a week, or I'm a boxer and

1:51:43

I have to destroy my body. You know,

1:51:45

I think people wanna write it off as

1:51:47

something frivolous, but if you're gonna write that

1:51:49

off as frivolous, then I think you have

1:51:51

to write off all sports as frivolous. I

1:51:53

think it's like either you, you think it's

1:51:55

fine to basically trade your body for

1:51:58

this pursuit or not. Yeah.

1:52:01

Of course I can't relate at all. You

1:52:03

know, I'm like, oh my God, I wanna,

1:52:05

you know, to be judged and it's, God,

1:52:07

they're like in the military. It's like, your

1:52:09

kick sucked. Yes ma'am, like excited to hear

1:52:11

it. Yes ma'am, ooh, is so triggering. I

1:52:14

mean, I can relate, I can relate to

1:52:17

it more than probably most people can. And

1:52:20

in the last episode, it's the end of

1:52:22

the season and it's so sad, it's over

1:52:24

and they're gonna have a new team next

1:52:26

year and some of these people won't be

1:52:28

there and I just was like, yeah, it's

1:52:32

a testament to identity, but also community.

1:52:35

This thing we keep learning over

1:52:37

and over and over again, which

1:52:39

is that is the most important

1:52:41

thing. And that's what they're sad

1:52:43

to lose. Sisterhood. Deep kinship and

1:52:46

idea that only this group

1:52:48

knows what this is like.

1:52:50

I still feel that when I was watching and I was

1:52:52

like, oh God, I was thinking about my squads.

1:52:54

I still feel that like only

1:52:57

those people on earth, those like

1:52:59

20 people

1:53:01

will know what that feeling

1:53:03

was in that moment. 36,

1:53:07

they're still cutting on my end. Oh, I mean

1:53:09

for me, my squad was small. Oh

1:53:12

yeah, yeah. Still, when

1:53:14

I think about all those people, we

1:53:16

all had a shared experience. I don't

1:53:18

know what most of those people are

1:53:20

doing right now anymore, but we

1:53:22

had this very special thing and

1:53:24

it's beautiful. Yeah, I

1:53:27

think the craziest thing, the two craziest

1:53:30

things are first, the flying

1:53:32

up in the air down into the splits,

1:53:34

landing straight into the splits is insane. I

1:53:36

cannot believe it seems, it's

1:53:39

like they're trying to break their

1:53:41

hips. Yeah. But I

1:53:43

think even crazier than that for me

1:53:46

was the notion that they all have to

1:53:48

report to a hair salon. And here's where

1:53:50

the cultural thing is really wild because you

1:53:52

have one girl from New Jersey, which every

1:53:55

city's got its look, but

1:53:57

she's in Dallas, so they just send them all.

1:53:59

of the salon and then they let these three

1:54:02

human beings decide what color hair they should have.

1:54:04

And they really have no say in it. And

1:54:06

this cat wasn't as blonde. And they're like, you

1:54:08

definitely need to be chestnut brown. And she's like,

1:54:10

okay. Just hopping and

1:54:13

dying people's hair, however they fucking want. And

1:54:15

then you see them looking at the pictures

1:54:17

later. It's like they're not even sure they

1:54:19

made the right decision. The coaches are

1:54:21

like, Oh, I don't know. I was at the

1:54:23

right color. I know. Not

1:54:25

to mention this is before they've

1:54:27

made the team. Yes. They

1:54:30

could still get caught. Yeah. They do. And

1:54:34

it's just like, Oh my. Is

1:54:38

something fine. It's

1:54:40

a real all in man. I've never seen

1:54:42

an all in where you actually also have

1:54:44

to get like whatever hair do they tell

1:54:47

you to get other than the military should

1:54:49

get in your head, shaved in basic. Yeah.

1:54:51

But fuck did they love it? Oh my

1:54:53

God. I was watching it with

1:54:55

Delta and I said, um, you know,

1:54:57

when someone gets cut, they all, all the gals

1:54:59

come around, they hug the person and they're all

1:55:01

crying. And I of course was like, Oh,

1:55:03

I was panicked. I was like, God, if I was in that

1:55:06

situation, I don't cry very easy. I'd have to like really

1:55:08

be trying. And I said

1:55:10

to Delta, do you, do you think

1:55:12

anyone's fake crying? And she said, Oh yeah,

1:55:14

I think half of them are fake crying. No,

1:55:18

we were really looking and there's like no tears. Like

1:55:20

some of the people that were sobbing the hardest,

1:55:23

there was their faces were bone dry. I

1:55:25

think that they're not all crying. They're

1:55:27

all, you can, you can be sad

1:55:30

and not cry. I think

1:55:32

they're being really nice, but I don't

1:55:34

know that they're, well, Delta and

1:55:36

I think only about half were actually crying. I

1:55:42

think you'd be surprised what

1:55:44

happens when you're in that, that

1:55:47

much of a pressure cooker. Everyone's

1:55:49

emotions are just like ready

1:55:51

to brim for anything. True.

1:55:53

True. True. Heightened, heightened, heightened. Whether

1:55:56

or not you actually are that

1:55:58

sad, anything off. Kiltr

1:56:00

is gonna make you cry.

1:56:03

It's such an intense environment.

1:56:06

Yeah, okay, the other crazy moment, and

1:56:09

I don't know, and people probably not like that

1:56:11

I asked this, but there's a storyline where a

1:56:14

girl goes back home and you're meeting her parents,

1:56:16

and the parents are being very honest about the

1:56:18

fact that they only stayed together for the kids,

1:56:20

and then the second the kids moved away, they

1:56:22

got divorced. Yeah. And so we're

1:56:24

watching this whole thing, and Delta and I are snuggling in

1:56:26

bed, and I said, if mommy

1:56:28

and daddy didn't like each other anymore, would you want

1:56:30

us to stay married, or would you want us to

1:56:32

get divorced? I said, because

1:56:35

I would definitely stay married for you. Luckily,

1:56:37

I like mommy, so that's not an issue,

1:56:40

but I would do that so I could wake up in

1:56:42

the same house with you every day, and I'm totally

1:56:44

assuming she's gonna say, yeah, I'd want you to

1:56:47

stay married. Of course. And she's like, no, you

1:56:49

should never be with someone you don't wanna be

1:56:51

with for me. And

1:56:53

I was like, how is this kid at

1:56:55

nine years old like this fucking emotionally like?

1:56:58

Stable. Yeah, I

1:57:00

blew my mind. It was

1:57:02

almost like a rhetorical question. I just

1:57:05

wanna know how she felt about this dynamic.

1:57:07

Like there's two adults crying, and I

1:57:09

don't even know that she's ever

1:57:11

even been introduced to this concept

1:57:13

that parents might stay together, and

1:57:16

so I'm almost like, well, if this is a kernel

1:57:18

in her head, like let's talk about it now, and

1:57:20

she's just like, no, I would want you to. I

1:57:23

also, I don't wanna say that she is, she

1:57:25

is very emotionally stable, but

1:57:27

I don't wanna say that

1:57:29

if somebody had another opinion that that means

1:57:32

they're not emotionally stable because I think

1:57:34

both are very valid opinions.

1:57:37

Yes, Lincoln, I didn't ask her, we didn't watch

1:57:39

it together, but I know Lincoln would have said

1:57:42

she would want us to stay together no matter

1:57:44

what. Yeah. Exactly, and that's fair

1:57:46

and correct too. Yeah, there's not a right

1:57:48

or wrong answer. It was just kind of

1:57:50

shocking to hear her say, like I want

1:57:52

you to be your head. Especially to their

1:57:54

dad. Like it's one thing, if

1:57:57

you're just like having a philosophical debate

1:57:59

about- but like telling your dad like,

1:58:01

oh, it's okay. Like if you wanna

1:58:03

go. If you wanna get out of

1:58:05

here. If you wanna ditch

1:58:07

this Popsicle stand, go

1:58:09

ahead. Blow this joint.

1:58:13

I 100,000% would have said stay together. Yeah.

1:58:19

Stay together. I think that's most.

1:58:21

Be miserable. Yeah, for me,

1:58:23

cause I need you and I need you guys. Yeah,

1:58:26

I don't wanna. I still kinda feel that. Sure.

1:58:28

Sure. Like I'd rather you

1:58:30

guys just be together. Yeah,

1:58:33

even if you don't like it, I wanna come home. Yeah, and

1:58:35

I'm not even there. I wanna come

1:58:38

home three times a year and you better

1:58:40

be there. You better be there as a

1:58:42

unit. One unit. I know, it's really selfish.

1:58:44

As someone who wants to overcome

1:58:47

those like feelings, I would now

1:58:49

say, yes, of course, everyone should

1:58:51

be happy. But

1:58:54

innately. It was kinda cool too,

1:58:56

because it almost felt like

1:58:58

by the parents divulging this whole

1:59:00

history of theirs, what

1:59:03

I was initially interpreting was that

1:59:05

that was hard that she had to

1:59:07

do that. But the final message the

1:59:09

mom says is she's like, I'm so glad

1:59:11

I did that and I do it a

1:59:13

thousand more times. Like the mom has zero

1:59:15

regret that she did that. And

1:59:18

that was a little unexpected. I thought

1:59:20

that was kind of interesting. Yeah, but

1:59:23

Delta is wired interestingly

1:59:25

in that way. Like you said

1:59:27

when you watch Parenthood during like

1:59:29

the Crosby, Jasmine thing. Yeah, Lincoln

1:59:31

wanted to slit my throat. Of

1:59:33

course, she's so nice. Delta's

1:59:37

like. Of course he cheated on her. I

1:59:41

like Gabby, I would've done it too. I

1:59:43

know, I wonder, I really wonder like

1:59:45

how she's gonna be as an adult.

1:59:48

Yeah, like in a relationship if she's

1:59:50

gonna be so laissez-faire or not. Yeah,

1:59:52

and then you wonder is there a

1:59:55

genetic component? I

1:59:57

mean, this definitely is kind of my

1:59:59

position. I know, which is weird. But

2:00:02

I wonder if that's learned also

2:00:04

from you in some way.

2:00:06

I mean, not that you say anything

2:00:09

explicitly. I don't. That's the thing is

2:00:11

like, I'm not ever talking about having

2:00:13

been in an open relationship. I mean,

2:00:15

the only thing that I have said

2:00:17

to them, which is naturally they see

2:00:20

TV shows, a parent cheats and

2:00:22

then the family gets divorced. And when I've told

2:00:24

them numerous times when they bring that up is

2:00:26

like, I would never divorce your mom for cheating

2:00:28

on me. It's not a fear

2:00:30

you need to have. Yeah. Would never

2:00:32

do that. But that's the

2:00:35

extent of it. I've not gone like,

2:00:37

hey, you know, monogamy is a rare

2:00:39

kind of a new concept in humans.

2:00:41

No, I know, but I don't think

2:00:43

she's like, oh no, my dad thinks

2:00:45

this. So, but sometimes

2:00:47

there's a vibe

2:00:50

and an essence you can pick up

2:00:52

on from people that I wonder.

2:00:54

I don't know. Well, there's no

2:00:57

jealousy being displayed. Right. They're

2:00:59

not very jealous people. So

2:01:01

they're not really witnessing that. Like you better

2:01:03

not wear that out or who are you

2:01:05

with? Or, you know, none of that's even

2:01:08

in the atmosphere. So, mom

2:01:10

goes to work and kisses guys and we see

2:01:12

it on TV. So I don't know. Maybe that's,

2:01:15

who knows? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah,

2:01:17

anyway, really interesting. But yeah,

2:01:19

you gotta keep watching. I

2:01:21

can't believe the Indian girl

2:01:23

is an orthodontist. I

2:01:27

know. It's so hard for me. That

2:01:29

is so, she's like, when

2:01:31

they catch up with her, I'm like, oh, she's

2:01:34

a for real orthodontist. She's like, I gotta go,

2:01:36

I'm a patient. It's like, I

2:01:38

feel like she should have such a confidence

2:01:40

at the Dallas Cowboys. Like, hey guys, I'm

2:01:42

an actual fucking orthodontist. Like I'm

2:01:44

kind of here. Hopefully it'll work with my schedule. Exactly.

2:01:50

And that's why- That for you

2:01:53

must be. That's what made me

2:01:55

a little sad. I'm like, you?

2:01:57

Absolutely. You're everything girl. Yeah, you

2:01:59

don't need- And again, not that

2:02:01

she needs it, but she

2:02:03

does. Like she wants to be

2:02:05

accepted by Ivy. That's

2:02:07

my read on it. Yeah, I think she

2:02:10

has the same thing you had, which is like,

2:02:12

oh, cheerleader is what? But she

2:02:14

had previously been a Golden State Warriors

2:02:16

poem. I know. I just really

2:02:18

relate to her. I'm like, oh my God, you

2:02:21

grew up with the mentality

2:02:23

that I had that led you

2:02:25

here. You're an orthodontist.

2:02:28

You're like, you're killing it. But

2:02:30

it's not enough until you're

2:02:32

accepted by this hegemonic group

2:02:34

and it keeps escalating. Yes,

2:02:37

exactly. You're almost putting yourself in

2:02:39

a position where it's like nobody's gonna be accepted.

2:02:42

And on top of it, an Indian woman's gonna be

2:02:44

even harder. Like yeah, even the skinny

2:02:46

white chicks are gonna get blasted. Yeah,

2:02:49

I know. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I

2:02:51

can really, really relate. And then again,

2:02:54

I don't know. People haven't watched or are sick of us talking

2:02:56

about it, but last thing is just like, I'm

2:02:58

not judging you by the way. Oh, yeah.

2:03:01

Well, here's where I am. I'm like, this

2:03:03

is where Mike, what are you saying

2:03:05

when your cackles go up or something? The

2:03:07

notion, this gal, the one

2:03:09

girl who loves Jesus, she's

2:03:11

engaged. She's like 21 or two and she's engaged.

2:03:16

And she keeps saying it. This is my

2:03:18

first boyfriend. I know. This is my

2:03:20

first boyfriend. Like you can

2:03:22

tell she's nervous about, like it's coming out. It's

2:03:24

like even if she thinks

2:03:27

this is fine, she keeps percolating up. She

2:03:29

keeps reminding everyone this is her first boyfriend.

2:03:31

And I wanna go, yes, exactly. This is

2:03:33

your first boyfriend. We don't marry our first

2:03:36

boyfriends, but. But some people

2:03:38

do, some people do. But she

2:03:40

liked him because he was in a church

2:03:42

group she saw online. And my

2:03:44

thought there is like, well, she can't have

2:03:46

sex until she's married. This is the crazy

2:03:48

trap that's created by this, you can't have

2:03:50

sex till you're married. I know. Is

2:03:53

you gotta get married because you're in your 20s and

2:03:55

you're horny and you're gonna marry the first guy.

2:03:58

Yep. And he's gonna marry you. He's

2:04:00

not having, he'll do anything to have sex. He'll

2:04:03

marry his brother. He actually, by the

2:04:05

end, I was like, he's sweet. I

2:04:07

liked him, weirdly. Yeah,

2:04:09

when they first showed him, I was like, oh

2:04:11

wow, that wasn't what I expected. I thought she'd

2:04:13

be with the high school quarterback. And she's with

2:04:15

the number one fan. The guy who paints himself

2:04:17

up and everything. But you're right, as the more

2:04:19

I saw it, I'm like, us,

2:04:22

personally, he's pretty great. And they're cute. You

2:04:25

start seeing, you see more

2:04:27

of them as it continues.

2:04:30

And I was like, oh man. Like,

2:04:33

I also, I grew up in that. I

2:04:36

know so many people

2:04:38

who married their first boyfriends and

2:04:41

are still together and are happy.

2:04:43

And we're again looking

2:04:45

at it from a very specific lens

2:04:47

to say like, oh my God, that's

2:04:50

nuts. It's not for a lot of

2:04:52

people. And especially in the South and

2:04:54

in, it's common. It

2:04:57

is common. I was weird. Like,

2:05:00

it wasn't that they were weird. Yes,

2:05:02

yes. I was the

2:05:04

odd man out. Yeah, I'm trying

2:05:07

to imagine. But you know, even

2:05:10

as I say this, like any one of

2:05:12

my girlfriends, if

2:05:14

I had ended up married to, that would have

2:05:16

been fine. I had all really good girlfriends. Yeah.

2:05:19

So I take it all back. I don't

2:05:21

know. I don't know. I

2:05:24

mean, she is such a real life Lila

2:05:26

Garrity. Yes. She

2:05:28

sounds like her. She kind of looks

2:05:30

like her. There's this very religious component

2:05:33

and a dedication

2:05:35

to goodness. It's

2:05:38

really, Although if you remember, Lila

2:05:40

was plowing. She

2:05:43

was riding Reagan's like a rented

2:05:45

mule. Oh,

2:05:48

ding, ding, ding. Parenthood.

2:05:52

Yeah, anyway, I think it's a

2:05:54

great show. I

2:05:58

love it. I also love the

2:06:00

women. run it. I have very complicated

2:06:02

feelings about them. Yeah, I'm mostly just

2:06:04

like, whether I agree with any

2:06:06

of it or not, the level of professionalism, like

2:06:08

you are watching people that really

2:06:11

take their job as seriously

2:06:13

as it can be taken. Yes. And

2:06:15

they are like so meticulous and on

2:06:17

it. I always like seeing that no

2:06:19

matter what the thing is. 100% and

2:06:22

you're right, if it's a football coach

2:06:24

doing that, or a basketball coach, a

2:06:26

male, it's like, oh my god, they're

2:06:28

incredible. They are. They are really good

2:06:30

at what they do. And they're right.

2:06:32

When fucking they play thunderstruck, them

2:06:35

broads come out and let it rip. Fuck

2:06:37

me. That's as cool as any touchdown that

2:06:39

happens. It is. And they know it. They

2:06:41

know it too. And they feel it. They're

2:06:43

doing a touchdown. So I'm like, yeah, this

2:06:45

is all. Yeah, I know. The

2:06:49

coach, Kelly, has a

2:06:51

lot of vibes of my coach,

2:06:53

also named Kelly. I'd say she's got

2:06:55

coach vibes period. Like that's a

2:06:57

coach vibe. It's a winner's vibe.

2:06:59

I mean, that's really what it is. An

2:07:02

excellence. And that

2:07:05

show, we love the Cheers

2:07:07

Show. Same. Yeah. And

2:07:10

also I get really interested in how

2:07:12

practiced they are at giving people bad

2:07:14

news. Like the way they phrase bad

2:07:16

news is like, it's a science. I

2:07:18

feel like I could have been at

2:07:21

that. Well, for sure. It is very

2:07:23

type A kind of on it, on

2:07:25

it. It's very perfection driven. Yeah. Yeah.

2:07:28

But you do have to, like, you really

2:07:30

have to be on people to achieve that.

2:07:32

I'd be terrible. You have to be on

2:07:34

people, but you have to also earn respect.

2:07:36

Like they have to respect you and fear

2:07:39

you a little bit, but also know

2:07:42

you really care about them. Like it's

2:07:44

a real odd combo

2:07:46

that they have to serve.

2:07:48

But I think it's actually, to me,

2:07:50

those are the best leaders are the

2:07:52

best bosses, the people who can do

2:07:55

all of that at once. Good

2:07:58

combo for leadership. I

2:08:00

only have one fact anyway. This is for P.

2:08:04

Oh, fuck. Let's just

2:08:06

take a second. I know.

2:08:08

It's so inspiring. I

2:08:11

mean, I'm gonna say he's the sweetest

2:08:13

person we've ever interviewed. And that's saying a

2:08:15

lot, because we've had a lot of nice,

2:08:18

best, good boys. But he is

2:08:20

by far the, yeah. Sorry,

2:08:23

Jimmy. Sorry, everybody. Almost

2:08:26

need a new category. I think we need,

2:08:28

we need an, oh no, I'm not gonna,

2:08:31

that's mean, I'm not doing that. Okay. But

2:08:33

I was gonna say, we need new

2:08:35

statue with Key's face. What

2:08:37

if we made another statue that was like, four times

2:08:40

as big, and we put Jimmy's on the bottom of

2:08:42

it? So it was like, it was Jimmy's that we

2:08:44

already made that size, but then we put one that

2:08:46

was four times as big on top of it, just

2:08:49

to show everyone the proportion of Oh, how big, yeah.

2:08:51

How good of a good boy this guy

2:08:54

is. It'd be like if

2:08:56

you built one president's head like six times

2:08:58

the size of the others at Mount Rushmore.

2:09:00

Like the message would be like, forget about

2:09:02

those four we did. This

2:09:05

is the one, we kind of blew it earlier.

2:09:08

Yeah. Oh,

2:09:11

there's the whole story is such

2:09:13

an epic tale. It

2:09:16

is. It's such a ride.

2:09:18

So many angels in it.

2:09:22

Hearing all that stuff about Spielberg, it

2:09:24

was so, so beautiful.

2:09:26

I can't, oh

2:09:29

man. I gotta be a better. It's

2:09:31

a really good way to be. I gotta

2:09:33

be a better guy. You

2:09:36

don't. I

2:09:41

mean, I'm not gonna tell you to not be a better

2:09:43

guy because I think being a better person is a good

2:09:45

goal for all of us, but. Being

2:09:47

a better guy is a good goal for all of us. Yeah,

2:09:50

being a cookie boy is a good goal.

2:09:55

But the fact that he sent him

2:09:57

presents. Every year. Every

2:09:59

year. would check in on

2:10:01

him. And I mentioned

2:10:03

this in the episode, but I really,

2:10:05

I think he is smart

2:10:08

enough to know that he

2:10:11

changed his life in a dramatic

2:10:13

way, especially him, someone who did

2:10:15

not really speak English, plucked

2:10:18

out of an elementary school, and

2:10:20

his life changed, and I think he felt

2:10:23

some responsibility for that, good

2:10:25

and bad. And

2:10:29

I think it's really admirable, because I think

2:10:31

it'd be easy to say, oh yeah, hell

2:10:33

yeah, I brought you up and I gave

2:10:35

you this incredible opportunity, and like. Yeah,

2:10:37

you're welcome. Yes, exactly. A lot

2:10:39

of people would be like, you're welcome. You're

2:10:42

welcome, and that's that. And that's how he

2:10:44

took it, right? It's just like, oh

2:10:46

my god, he gave me this incredible thing, he owes

2:10:48

me nothing, which is true, but I

2:10:50

think it shows real character that Spielberg can

2:10:52

see the whole picture there. Yeah,

2:10:54

well also we're forgetting too that Spielberg was

2:10:57

dealing with Key as a little boy. Like,

2:10:59

think how much we liked him as my

2:11:01

age, but imagine dealing with him

2:11:03

as, I'm sure he just

2:11:05

legit fell in love with him. Of course.

2:11:07

Yeah. What

2:11:09

was the fact? Oh,

2:11:12

well it was about that, actually. It

2:11:14

was about Lucas giving. Oh,

2:11:17

all the Star Wars people emerged. Yes,

2:11:19

and he did. He gave a percentage

2:11:21

of the $8 million picture to

2:11:24

the film's little known young

2:11:26

actors. It said, I feel

2:11:28

terrible that it has been kept a secret that we

2:11:30

were given a gift of a small percentage of the

2:11:32

films at Harrison Ford. I've never heard

2:11:34

of anyone but George Lucas doing that, so we might

2:11:36

as well tell people about it now. What

2:11:39

Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher received was a

2:11:41

salary for at least 12 weeks

2:11:44

each, plus one quarter of a percent.

2:11:46

If this doesn't sound like a lot, compute it into

2:11:48

the last report of the Star Wars grosses and it's

2:11:50

opening two weeks, 6.5 million. It's

2:11:53

so sweet, like for Harrison Ford, whatever

2:11:56

didn't mean much, but for Carrie Fisher,

2:11:58

she continued to live. live a

2:12:00

really comfortable life while she

2:12:02

was alive. She lived very well and

2:12:04

she didn't work a ton, I think by her own

2:12:06

choice, but yes, that movie gave

2:12:08

her the freedom for the rest of her

2:12:11

life. Yeah, really

2:12:13

lovely. Yeah, so that

2:12:15

was that. There's just no facts, it was

2:12:18

just a lovely story. Human

2:12:20

story, yeah. Feel lucky

2:12:22

that he got to tell us that. Me

2:12:24

too, it's such a good one. I

2:12:26

really hope people listen, I really, really

2:12:28

do. It's very inspiring, it makes you

2:12:31

feel so much gratitude,

2:12:34

I hope, makes me anyway. Yeah,

2:12:37

same. All right, well I

2:12:39

love you, this has been a blast and

2:12:41

next time we talk, I may or may

2:12:43

not be bailing Eric out

2:12:45

of jail, but we're not done with

2:12:47

the trip. I

2:12:49

was saying what if this smoking incident went

2:12:52

to trial here

2:12:55

in Norway and then out of nowhere, representative

2:12:57

from Hertz rental cars showed up as

2:12:59

a character witness to say. Oh my

2:13:01

God. That's

2:13:04

great, that is great. Bye

2:13:07

man. All right. All

2:13:09

right, love you. Love you. Love

2:13:11

you.