#198: He Touched Me! (Part Two) • The Work of Byron Katie®

#198: He Touched Me! (Part Two) • The Work of Byron Katie®

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0:03

Hello everyone and welcome

0:06

to part two with

0:08

Sophia. She's in the

0:10

workplace. A man is

0:13

touching her back without

0:15

permission. She finds him

0:17

disgusting, disrespectful, awful, exploitative,

0:19

a bully and she's

0:22

really frightened. This is

0:24

powerful and welcome to

0:26

the work. Welcome to

0:29

self inquiry. Let's move

0:31

into part two. So

0:36

that man should touch strangers

0:38

and he should he

0:41

should not respect others

0:43

bodies. That's that's

0:45

who he was. And if he

0:47

comes in again and there

0:49

are other people in the

0:52

store you might just just

0:54

let him know turned around

0:56

the other day you check my

0:58

back you you touch my back

1:01

and I want you to know

1:03

that in my case you should

1:05

not touch me. And you

1:08

should respect my

1:11

body. And if

1:13

you want to touch

1:15

my back, talk to

1:18

me first. Yeah,

1:20

that would feel

1:22

good. Honey, it

1:24

does it. It's,

1:27

you know, it's,

1:29

it's rightful language.

1:32

tried and true and we

1:34

don't have voices and this

1:37

gives you a voice, a

1:39

fearless voice even though there's

1:42

some fear maybe in

1:44

it. You're on solid

1:46

ground and that could

1:48

be when there are other

1:51

people in the store as

1:53

well even though they don't

1:55

have to overhear it.

2:00

Or either way, that

2:02

would be up to

2:05

you. Let's look at

2:07

four. Before I

2:09

put, I need the

2:11

man to leave and

2:14

stop being near

2:16

me. So look around,

2:19

look around, in

2:22

that situation, look

2:24

around. To

2:27

be happy you need

2:29

him to leave

2:31

and stop being

2:34

near you. Is it

2:36

true? Look around. Are

2:39

you safe other

2:41

than what you're

2:44

thinking and believing?

2:47

Yeah, no, I don't

2:50

need him to leave.

2:52

Well, there you are.

2:55

affected me most

2:58

started after he

3:00

left. I'd say. Yeah.

3:02

Yeah. After the initial

3:05

shock and fear, the

3:07

ego just starts

3:10

doing its job.

3:12

Yeah. And it's

3:14

strange. I think what

3:16

kept coming up

3:19

throughout the day was if

3:21

I let go of it.

3:24

and let it just be

3:27

what it was, then I

3:29

somehow, or that meant that

3:31

I somehow said it was

3:34

okay. Yeah, yeah, that's why

3:36

this linkage is so

3:38

important. Yeah. So to be

3:41

happy, I need him to

3:43

leave and stop being near

3:45

me. So close your eyes,

3:47

be there now, he's touching

3:50

your back. Turn around.

3:52

Turn around. and

3:55

just hear these words

3:57

as though you were saying

3:59

them. though you were saying

4:01

to him, face him, for

4:03

me to be happy, I

4:05

need you to leave now and

4:08

to stop being near me

4:10

and to take your hands

4:13

off of my back

4:15

and to stop touching

4:17

me on my back. So

4:19

imagine facing him and

4:21

you saying, I need you

4:23

to leave now. I

4:29

thought as though in

4:32

our interaction

4:35

he was maybe

4:37

yeah yeah I felt

4:40

as though in our

4:43

interaction he

4:45

was maybe

4:47

testing me to

4:50

see what he

4:52

could get away

4:55

with and Having

4:58

said that, I don't think

5:00

he would have continued

5:02

in that situation. Yeah.

5:04

Yeah, because you know what you

5:07

need to be happy. We just

5:09

looked at it. You know what

5:11

you want in that situation. You

5:14

have the words for it.

5:16

You know what advice you

5:18

want to offer him. You know

5:21

what you want to offer him.

5:23

You know what you want. You

5:25

know what you want. You

5:31

know, when there are a lot

5:34

of people that all agree they

5:36

should do something that is just

5:38

not your cup of tea at

5:40

all, and they're your friends and

5:42

all of that. This gives you language

5:44

too. It's like, oh, I hear all

5:46

of you. I hope you enjoy it

5:49

and I need to leave now. Notice

5:51

there's no excuse in it.

5:53

There's no nothing and... Yeah,

6:00

I've been, I'm currently reading,

6:02

I need your love, is

6:04

it true? And just not

6:07

giving an explanation when it's

6:09

not necessary. I've been trying

6:11

it out and it feels

6:14

really good. Love that so

6:16

much, just hearing that just

6:18

makes me happy that that

6:21

book is out. Yeah, it's

6:23

such a pleasure. and both

6:25

read and be doing the

6:28

work and I'm so grateful

6:30

you could it out for

6:32

me to enjoy. Thank you

6:35

honey. So to be happy

6:37

if you look at number

6:39

four, I don't need him

6:42

to leave. I don't need

6:44

him to stop being near

6:46

me. I need me to

6:49

leave that spot, go to

6:51

the register and stop being

6:53

near him. Yeah. Yeah,

6:58

I need me to

7:00

take care of myself.

7:02

Yeah, which I did.

7:04

Yes, you did. Yes,

7:06

you did. And I

7:08

can't control whatever he

7:10

decides to do. No.

7:12

But if you want,

7:14

you can express it.

7:16

You know, you need

7:19

to be happy. You

7:21

can express it and

7:23

have advice for him.

7:25

that have had no

7:27

matter what the situation,

7:29

no matter how innocent

7:31

was, with the opposite

7:33

sex or the same

7:35

sex, whatever. These worksheets,

7:37

oh, they are so

7:39

powerful. They'll give you

7:42

a language. And once

7:44

you have that, you

7:46

lose your fear of

7:48

people. And rightfully so,

7:50

because they back off.

7:52

They don't want necessarily

7:54

people. that are not

7:56

subservient, they're so fearful,

7:58

and which was not

8:00

the case with you.

8:02

You made it to

8:05

the register. Let's look

8:07

at five. That situation,

8:09

he is. And in

8:11

that situation, the man

8:13

is disgusting, disrespectful, awful,

8:15

creepy, exploitative, and a

8:17

bully. Smith tested. He's

8:19

disgusting. Look at him.

8:21

He's disgusting, is it

8:23

true? No. I don't

8:25

agree with his actions,

8:28

but he's just a

8:30

person. He's just a

8:32

person. He's just a

8:34

person. He's just a

8:36

person. He's just a

8:38

person. He's just a

8:40

person. He's just a

8:42

person. He's just a

8:44

person. He's just a

8:46

person. He's just a

8:48

person. He's just a

8:51

person. He's just a

8:53

person. He's just a

8:55

person. He's just a

8:57

person. He's just a

9:03

And notice how you

9:06

react when you think

9:08

the thought he's disgusting?

9:11

Yeah. I just, the

9:14

whole situation just feels,

9:16

you know, like, dirty

9:19

or filthy. Yeah. You've

9:22

frightened those images of

9:24

a future head the

9:27

ego offers of? I

9:29

think, just because he

9:32

was, um, nothing crazy,

9:35

but he was a

9:37

bit disheveled. And that

9:40

just made this sort

9:43

of like, you know,

9:45

just filthy, it felt,

9:48

when I was so

9:51

thinking about it. He's

9:53

disrespectful. Check it out.

9:56

Is it true? The

9:59

full worksheet is sometimes

10:01

we can see now

10:04

where we couldn't see

10:07

then because our imagination,

10:09

our unquestioned thoughts and

10:12

imagination were running so

10:15

profusely. We were blind,

10:17

but sometimes it does

10:20

match. We're just looking

10:23

for the truth here.

10:25

He's disrespectful. Is it

10:28

true? And

10:31

notice how you react.

10:34

What happens when you

10:36

think the thought he's

10:39

disrespectful? He's disgusting. Look

10:41

at the images of

10:44

the past running through

10:46

your head in that

10:48

situation. All the times

10:51

I felt like I

10:53

wasn't able to... control

10:56

the situation or say

10:58

no when I wanted

11:01

to. Don't look at

11:03

him without the thought.

11:05

He's disgusting and disrespectful.

11:08

Yeah, I mean, it

11:10

just looks maybe a

11:13

bit desperate, but not

11:15

this... not this... not

11:17

this... not this... not

11:20

this... You know, I

11:22

still don't agree with

11:25

what he's doing, but

11:27

he's... Yeah. He doesn't

11:30

have that power over

11:32

me. There you are.

11:34

There you are. Sanity

11:37

is, it's a beautiful

11:39

thing. Insanity is being

11:42

present without being attached

11:44

those images of past

11:47

future that are running

11:49

in our head. That's

11:51

not to stop them,

11:54

but to notice. It's

11:56

imagination. and to get

11:59

present. He's

12:04

a bully. Is

12:06

it true?

12:08

Yeah. And

12:11

notice what

12:13

happens to your

12:16

head when you

12:18

think the thought

12:21

he's a bully?

12:23

And he's

12:26

touching your

12:28

bag. It

12:36

makes me feel like

12:38

I don't have anything

12:40

to say about

12:42

it. Powerless? Yeah.

12:44

So be there now

12:46

without the thought of

12:48

him fully? Look at

12:50

him. See, I need you

12:53

to stop being near

12:55

me. I need you to

12:57

stop being near me. I

13:00

need you to leave. He's

13:08

just, it keeps coming

13:10

up, but he's just

13:13

a man. So all

13:15

the fear that happened

13:18

was in, in your

13:20

head, and you know

13:22

something about

13:24

yourself, you know

13:26

you have a

13:28

language for, please

13:30

don't touch me.

13:32

And looking into his

13:35

eyes. Try

13:41

this on, you've obviously

13:43

got courage in that

13:46

situation. My thoughts about

13:49

him were disgusting,

13:51

disrespectful. Exploitive.

14:03

In my mind I

14:06

was making myself go

14:08

to even worse

14:11

situations than the

14:13

one he put me

14:15

in. So your imagination

14:18

was at

14:20

work? Are you going

14:22

to work? Are you

14:24

going to work? And

14:26

that has nothing

14:28

to do with him?

14:30

what we're thinking

14:33

and believing and

14:35

it's our responsibility

14:37

and we can

14:39

say the world makes

14:42

me believe that but

14:44

okay the world makes

14:47

me believe it but

14:49

I can do something

14:51

about it I can test

14:54

what the world is

14:56

believing I can

14:58

test for myself.

15:01

My thoughts were exploitative and the

15:03

bully. Yeah, I was really putting

15:06

myself down in every possible way.

15:08

I was seeing the scenario where

15:10

I said something and it went

15:12

poorly or where I didn't say

15:14

something and it went poorly or

15:16

where I didn't say something and

15:19

I didn't say something and I

15:21

didn't say something and I didn't

15:23

say something and I didn't say

15:25

something and I didn't say something

15:27

and I didn't say something and I

15:29

was a coward. I really didn't.

15:32

There was no way for

15:34

me to act where

15:36

I wouldn't believe myself

15:38

in my mind in

15:41

that moment. When

15:43

we look at the thoughts

15:45

on your worksheet, what

15:47

you were thinking, and

15:50

so that's where our

15:52

power is stripped. Those

15:54

what we're thinking and

15:57

believe in, create the

15:59

fear. You know, if someone's

16:01

going to like stab

16:03

me with a knife,

16:06

the terror in my

16:08

head could be worse

16:10

than the knife. And

16:12

it's good to know

16:14

the difference. That's where

16:16

the empowerment is. It's

16:18

good to know the

16:20

difference. If someone's going

16:22

to like fire a

16:24

gun at you, they

16:26

say I'm going to

16:28

pull the trigger. Imagination

16:30

has the trigger pulled,

16:32

like if it's aimed

16:34

at me, imagination, the

16:37

ego, as the trigger

16:39

pulled before it's pulled.

16:41

It's already happening. When

16:43

the bullet hits, it's

16:45

like late for the

16:47

party. Yeah. And so

16:49

the power is, you

16:51

know, where we need

16:53

the power, we don't

16:55

have it. But

16:59

the bullet hits, as

17:01

we're in reality. And

17:03

then the e goes,

17:06

I'm going to die,

17:08

I'm going to die,

17:10

so it goes into

17:12

the future. You know,

17:14

it's about to lose

17:16

its object, mine's object,

17:18

self. So, in that

17:21

situation, my thoughts about

17:23

him, that situation are

17:25

disgusting. So look

17:27

at his hands on your

17:29

back and your thoughts are

17:31

about him or disgusting. See

17:33

how the ego's making him

17:35

an enemy, not right or

17:37

wrong. It just could be

17:39

any situation. We're just looking

17:42

at how the mind works.

17:44

Disrespectful. You have him like

17:46

some kind of sex offender

17:48

and there's no proof yet.

17:50

And you have the power

17:52

now to. I want you

17:54

to stop touching me. I

17:56

want you to keep your

17:58

distance from me. That

18:01

was your number

18:03

two. My thoughts

18:06

about him were

18:08

awful. Yeah. He

18:11

frightened me, turned

18:13

around. My thoughts

18:16

about him frightened

18:18

me. Yeah. And

18:21

eventually, honey, as

18:23

you continue to

18:26

do your work,

18:28

eventually, your thoughts

18:30

are, they're sane

18:33

and sane, sanity

18:35

for you as

18:38

the absence of

18:40

fear. Let's look

18:43

at six. In

18:45

that situation, what

18:48

is it you

18:50

never want to

18:53

experience again with

18:55

him? I

18:57

don't ever want to

18:59

be touched when I

19:02

don't want to. I

19:04

don't ever want to

19:07

feel powerless over my

19:09

own body. I'm willing

19:11

to experience. I'm willing

19:14

to be touched when

19:16

I don't want to.

19:18

I'm willing to feel

19:21

powerless over my own

19:23

body. So

19:26

what is number six about?

19:28

It's about if you ever

19:31

fear that situation again, it's

19:33

another worksheet. If it's not,

19:36

if you're not at home

19:38

with that thought, then it's

19:41

another worksheet. I'm willing to

19:43

be touched where I don't

19:46

want to be touched and

19:48

feel powerless over my body.

19:51

I'm willing to, I look

19:53

forward to. I

19:55

look forward to be

19:58

such when I don't

20:00

want to. forward to

20:02

power this all my

20:04

own body. Because that

20:06

man was your teacher

20:09

and by some grace.

20:11

It's an amazing lesson.

20:13

Yeah. Amazing window into

20:15

yourself and the cause

20:17

of your fear without

20:19

ever justifying that it's

20:22

okay. someone without your

20:24

permission, touch your back

20:26

if that, if that

20:28

offends you. Yeah, I

20:30

can almost, I can,

20:33

it feels a lot

20:35

more onus to say

20:37

that I am looking

20:39

forward to it, and

20:41

now feeling like I

20:44

sort of had the

20:46

words for it as

20:48

well. Yeah, I'm willing.

20:50

When I look forward

20:52

to it happening again

20:54

in my head, because

20:57

if I'm still, if

20:59

I'm, if I'm, if

21:01

I've got unfinished business

21:03

there, I'm experiencing fear.

21:05

And so that's another

21:08

worksheet on the same

21:10

situation. And oh, sweetie,

21:12

you are, you are,

21:14

you are, you are

21:16

so, so brave. Thank

21:18

you so much. I'm

21:21

so welcome. You know,

21:23

this work can give

21:25

you a freedom in

21:27

the world that will

21:29

take you places that

21:32

other people don't dare

21:34

go into. On YouTube.

21:36

This world. Thank you.

21:38

Thank you so much

21:40

for this. And yeah,

21:42

for everything the world

21:45

has given me. It

21:47

truly changed my life.

21:49

I'm so happy to

21:51

hear that. You know,

21:53

for those of us

21:56

that have been raped,

21:58

It's men or women.

22:00

The horrible thing about

22:02

it is not only

22:04

what we're thinking and

22:06

believing during the experience,

22:09

but the remembering of

22:11

it. Because it shifts

22:13

the way we live

22:15

in the world and

22:17

the way we see

22:20

people. And it makes

22:22

our world small. There's

22:24

the eagles world. You

22:26

know, someone says to

22:28

you, I want to

22:30

rape you. You might

22:33

ask them, why might

22:35

you want to rape

22:37

me? I'm not suggesting

22:39

you do that, but

22:41

that kind of head-on,

22:44

being at home and

22:46

yourself. It won't be

22:48

anything clever or tricky

22:50

or anything, it's just

22:52

straight up. Why me?

22:54

It's a discussion. The

22:57

rapists may prefer to

22:59

raping again, because the

23:01

guilt of harming another

23:03

human being is... It

23:05

allows you to be

23:08

in the moment as

23:10

well. and that's the

23:12

only place where you

23:14

can do anything. Yeah,

23:16

that's good. The power

23:18

is. You've certainly shown

23:21

that that made that

23:23

clear for us today.

23:25

Oh boy. Okay. So,

23:27

um, I'm willing to

23:29

I look forward to

23:32

be in touch where

23:34

I don't want to

23:36

and to feel powerless

23:38

over my own body.

23:40

Because if I'm still

23:42

upset about that any

23:45

time in the future,

23:47

it's another worksheet. So

23:49

just to remind all

23:51

of us again, it's

23:53

not done until it's...

23:56

done. Some of us

23:58

need more than one

24:00

worksheet on the same

24:02

situation because we're more

24:04

enlightened after working the

24:06

first one, we're more

24:09

enlightened when we're filling

24:11

in the next sheet.

24:13

So it's like these

24:15

people in the world

24:17

that frighten us like

24:20

that, that push us

24:22

to self-inquiry and are

24:24

really giving us preventive

24:26

medicine. when we

24:28

sit in what you have

24:30

just had the courage to

24:33

sit in. Oh boy, oh

24:35

dears honey, your takeaway, your

24:37

takeaway, any questions and your

24:40

takeaway and so see his

24:42

courage. Hi, thank you so

24:44

much for this session and

24:46

my heart goes out to

24:49

everybody who was here and

24:51

trying to. works through this

24:53

because honestly while we were

24:56

doing the session and I

24:58

was able to work on

25:00

my sheet while doing it

25:02

it's like every time I

25:05

had to take responsibility the

25:07

voice was like no no

25:09

no they're bad why are

25:11

you taking responsibility that's unfair

25:14

shouldn't happen to you and

25:16

it was so hard to

25:18

understand and like put that

25:21

anger aside on someone else

25:23

and bring it inside and

25:25

say that it's an illusion.

25:27

I cannot be angry unless

25:30

I have anger in me

25:32

and I'm feeding it. So

25:34

this whole session was so

25:36

much about taking responsibility and

25:39

not putting it out there

25:41

in the world because This

25:43

will repeat in different ways

25:46

until and unless we take

25:48

responsibility and like you said

25:50

just be done with it

25:52

until it's done. So we

25:55

think that was the biggest

25:57

takeaway of like. every time

25:59

I took responsibility I felt

26:01

anger as if I was

26:04

being wronged by myself for

26:06

dating responsibility. Yeah, oh honey,

26:08

you are you are open

26:11

to some kind of miracle

26:13

there. I'm so I'm so

26:15

happy you raised your hand

26:17

that you made it to

26:20

our session today. Well, very

26:22

thankful. That kind of power

26:24

you can't buy. I feel

26:26

really blessed for having experienced

26:29

what I experience to get

26:31

to this point because it's

26:33

different kind of liberation. It's

26:36

like ego has nowhere to

26:38

go but to dissolve. Yeah,

26:40

yeah. And when it's a

26:42

little tough, just moving respectfully

26:45

from your head to paper

26:47

just the way that Sophia

26:49

did today. And oh boy,

26:52

honey, thank you for popping

26:54

in. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely.

26:56

I was feeling very angry

26:58

while writing it all down

27:01

and then with their turn

27:03

around, it was like, oh

27:05

my God, like it's like

27:07

when you point one finger,

27:10

the three point towards you.

27:12

And I was like, oh

27:14

my God, this is hitting

27:17

me more than it would

27:19

hit me if I was

27:21

to actually say these things

27:23

to that person. And I

27:26

was like, and then all

27:28

the things came back that.

27:30

This has repeated in the

27:32

past, but I never really

27:35

looked at it the way

27:37

I did today. So thank

27:39

you so much for that.

27:42

I really appreciate it. Thank

27:44

you. You know, power, power,

27:46

other than what we're thinking

27:48

and believing. We've got our

27:51

stuff together. Forgiveness is the

27:53

biggest thing. for yourself first

27:55

of all before others. Yeah,

27:57

that's the key. Thank

28:00

you so much. Oh,

28:02

honey. Barbara. Thank you.

28:04

Hi, Barbara. Hi. My

28:06

takeaway today is, I've

28:08

had that experience as

28:10

well, that I've been

28:12

quiet when I've wanted

28:14

to say something to

28:16

someone and that preventative

28:18

medicine in question too,

28:20

where you just turn

28:22

around and say, I

28:24

want you to take

28:26

your hands off my

28:28

back now. Just flew

28:30

open my mind and

28:32

like, oh, I can't

28:34

believe I'm, well I

28:36

can't believe I'm in

28:38

my like mid 50s

28:40

and it has never

28:42

occurred to me. I

28:44

could say that. Yeah,

28:46

and if I'm a

28:48

man and I put

28:50

my hand on your

28:52

back and you say

28:54

nothing because you're so

28:56

paralyzed with fear or

28:58

confused, then As that

29:00

man, how do I

29:02

know you even have

29:04

a problem with it?

29:06

Yeah. There's no, but

29:08

to express, to express,

29:10

which, which a language

29:12

for that, is on

29:14

your worksheets. And just

29:17

the way we saw

29:19

with Sophia, it gives

29:21

us a language. And,

29:23

and, and, I have

29:25

so many experiences of

29:27

this, just. You

29:29

know, even just turn

29:31

around and say, what

29:33

do you want? I'm

29:35

uncomfortable when you touch

29:37

my back without permission.

29:40

What do you want?

29:42

And then listen, because

29:44

usually they don't even

29:46

know. It just felt

29:48

so excited. It's like,

29:50

oh, I could, there's

29:52

words and I can

29:55

find my own words

29:57

and I didn't. I've

29:59

just never seen it

30:01

as clearly as today.

30:03

So, Sophia, thank you

30:05

so much for your

30:07

work. And Katie, for

30:09

bringing it out that

30:12

way in question to

30:14

it. So empowering. Yeah.

30:16

Yeah, we're so fearful.

30:18

We don't know what

30:20

we want. These worksheets,

30:22

you know, they enlighten

30:24

us. They give us

30:27

a language. Yeah, and

30:29

we want to give

30:31

them advice. Like, don't

30:33

touch my back. I'm

30:35

not comfortable with that.

30:37

And, and, um. A

30:39

language, a language. Oh,

30:42

thank you, honey. Thank

30:44

you for sharing that.

30:46

Words. Marina. Hello, Marina.

30:48

Honey, your takeaway. I

30:50

don't have a takeaway,

30:52

but I have a

30:54

question if that is

30:57

okay. Sure. or

30:59

what is your therapy,

31:01

like how it's common

31:04

in the world, is

31:06

itself ego material, what

31:08

you've, I just had

31:10

a strange experience, I

31:12

had this paper from

31:14

a therapist, like a

31:16

transfer with a specific

31:18

diagnosis, with a specific

31:20

diagnosis, but a specific

31:22

diagnosis, but a specific

31:24

diagnosis, but then I

31:26

felt like a No,

31:29

I don't agree with this.

31:31

I ripped it and then

31:33

suddenly I felt like I

31:35

had the experience of regaining

31:37

discernment and in a space.

31:40

So I felt like it's

31:42

all, is it also thought

31:44

material? Is it ego? Is

31:46

it, yeah, is that word

31:49

ego material itself and wanted

31:51

to ask you? Well, you

31:53

know, if you is on

31:55

that. You could do the

31:57

work on. I'm not sure

32:00

I understand, but you could

32:02

do a worksheet on that

32:04

therapist, and you could also

32:06

open your mind to what

32:08

the therapist said, and you

32:11

might have questions for that

32:13

therapist to define to say

32:15

more about what they mean,

32:17

if you, you know, those

32:20

areas you don't understand. And

32:22

I'm not sure I understand.

32:24

I'm not sure I understand,

32:26

honey, honey, but it... from

32:28

what I can tell your

32:31

therapist wrote what a diagnosis

32:33

on you that you don't

32:35

that you don't connect with?

32:37

Yes, because from my first,

32:40

I had like four years

32:42

ago an experience of, I

32:44

would just say it like,

32:46

I call it enlightenment maybe,

32:48

because I felt like, oh,

32:51

there's just now and what

32:53

I believe about myself and

32:55

then my path. went on,

32:57

but I also forgot about

32:59

these things and then returned

33:02

to an old cycle. Yeah,

33:04

and then I... You know,

33:06

this work, when the work

33:08

found me, I was on

33:11

the floor and it was

33:13

just so clear the cause

33:15

of all, all human suffering,

33:17

all my suffering, all human

33:19

suffering, all my suffering, all

33:22

human suffering, all human suffering,

33:24

all human suffering, all human

33:26

And I saw the cause

33:28

and I saw how to

33:31

end it. And that's what

33:33

I invite the world to,

33:35

you know, to identify what

33:37

you're thinking and believing, write

33:39

it down, and then question

33:42

it, because there your mind

33:44

is, on paper, it's stabilized,

33:46

because the eagle will just

33:48

shifted and do all kinds

33:50

of stuff with it, but

33:53

when it's written down. We

33:55

can just sit and your

33:57

therapist could be right. or

34:00

it could be something you

34:02

just don't relate to at

34:05

all. But are you comfortable

34:07

in your own skin? And

34:09

for me it would be

34:12

good if I was working

34:14

with a therapist to work

34:16

with that therapist as long

34:19

as I trusted it and

34:21

do the work, that combination.

34:24

listen closely to that therapist

34:26

as long as you're trusting

34:28

that therapist. Okay. Yeah. You

34:31

know, this might give me

34:33

a diagnosis that I don't

34:35

agree with at all, but

34:38

I'm not going to shut

34:40

my mind to it because

34:42

that therapist could be right.

34:45

So before I shut anyone

34:47

down that has, that sees

34:49

me a certain way, I

34:52

certainly want to check out.

34:54

Anything less than that could

34:56

be a kind of denial.

34:59

But when I check it

35:01

out, then I'm checking myself

35:04

out all the times of

35:06

these worksheets. And on the

35:08

floor when I saw the

35:11

cause of all suffering and

35:13

how to end it, I

35:15

knew. I mean, it was

35:18

just so clear that I

35:20

don't exist, other than what

35:22

I'm thinking of believing. Just

35:25

so clear. Just so clear.

35:27

I had no proof. No

35:29

proof. No proof. of existence

35:32

at all, and yet the

35:34

mind would go, and I

35:37

noticed it, and that laughter

35:39

came out of my body,

35:41

like, I get it, I

35:44

get it. But I knew

35:46

this, and I can tell

35:48

you, sweetie, that I also

35:51

understood that what I discovered

35:53

belonged to everyone. Not that

35:55

anyone would see it. work

35:58

it, understand it at all,

36:00

but nonetheless, it belonged to

36:02

everyone. the way out of

36:05

suffering. And I knew that

36:07

to be with people and

36:09

pass on this gift to

36:12

even speak to a person

36:14

would cost me this enlightenment

36:17

from the floor. But that

36:19

self-firing, as always, in that

36:21

experience of yours, you didn't

36:24

even exist. I mean, it's

36:26

just, just. the

36:28

enlightened mind, no

36:31

I, but to

36:33

be in the

36:35

human race and

36:37

know that there's

36:39

only one person

36:41

in the world

36:43

that needs this

36:46

work and that

36:48

it's me. That

36:50

everyone in the

36:52

world is as

36:54

I imagine them

36:56

to be. and

36:59

to know the difference

37:02

between they are really

37:04

that way, are they

37:06

really that way, or

37:09

what I'm thinking and

37:11

believing, you know, where's

37:13

the fallacy? You know,

37:15

I cannot prove my

37:18

existence. I'm well aware

37:20

of my non-existence. I'm

37:22

well aware that I

37:24

have never spoken and

37:27

never will. I am

37:29

well aware. that this

37:31

world is in me

37:33

as I believe it

37:36

to be. And then

37:38

in this earth school,

37:40

that kind of understanding

37:43

and love lived here

37:45

is my, it's my

37:47

world. And you have

37:49

yours. Each of us.

37:52

No two people live

37:54

in the same world.

37:58

Like if we look at

38:00

you and there are all

38:02

of us together, we have

38:05

a different, in our own

38:07

way, a different idea of

38:09

who you are, how you

38:11

are, why you are, you

38:13

know. So if there are

38:16

a thousand people on this

38:18

call, there's a thousand different

38:20

yous. You are as we

38:22

believe you to be. Like

38:25

for me if I put it

38:28

here, I am who people believe

38:30

me to be I can never

38:32

be more or less But who

38:34

do I believe me to be

38:36

and what is valid and what

38:39

is not and the world? My

38:41

world is imagined The question is

38:43

do I love it? Do I

38:45

love my world so anything my

38:47

ego seizes out of order? It's

38:50

what this work is about Does

38:54

that mean that it

38:56

does not matter? Where

38:59

I go from now?

39:01

I mean, which direction

39:03

or decision to take

39:06

its decision? Does it

39:08

even matter? Because, yeah.

39:11

It matters to you.

39:13

If it matters to

39:15

you, it matters. And

39:18

denials, the last thing

39:20

that I want to

39:22

live in. So

39:25

if someone gives me a

39:27

misdiagnosis, a diagnosis, and I

39:29

don't agree with it, I

39:32

want to go back to

39:34

that person. Tell me more.

39:36

You know, this fascinates me.

39:39

And in the meantime, I'm

39:41

doing worksheets. I feel like

39:44

I gave me that diagnosis.

39:46

Yeah, there it is. Oh

39:48

my goodness. I think I

39:51

think you're onto something. Yeah.

39:53

Yeah. So my

39:56

therapist gives me diagnosis

39:58

and that's that doesn't

40:00

even click with me,

40:02

then I might want

40:04

to have another discussion

40:06

and learn more about

40:08

why she would see

40:10

me that way or

40:12

he. Yeah, because there's

40:14

some part maybe that

40:17

wants to be saved

40:19

or I think it's

40:21

maybe it's too scary

40:23

for the human nature

40:25

to understand. This

40:29

power? I don't know.

40:31

Well, you know, human

40:33

nature is human nature.

40:35

It's the eagles world.

40:37

But once the eagles

40:39

understood, for me, that's

40:41

self-inquiry. Once the eagles

40:43

understood, which you had

40:45

that privilege in the

40:47

enlightenment. But once that's

40:50

understood. The ego can't

40:52

touch you. It's simply

40:54

a state of mind.

40:56

I respect the ego.

40:58

I don't do war

41:00

against the ego. I

41:02

question it and we

41:04

get along fine. We

41:06

do really well together.

41:08

Ego's like a terrified

41:10

child. And what we

41:12

do every time we

41:15

fill in a worksheet

41:17

is we're honoring the

41:19

ego. We're taking that

41:21

terrified little ego. and

41:23

allowing it to live

41:25

on paper where we

41:27

question it. So we're

41:29

enlightening, we're becoming enlightened

41:31

to anything that's left

41:33

that could cause fear

41:35

in our life. In

41:38

other words, bring us

41:40

back into this world

41:42

of apparent suffering. It's

41:44

a parent that doesn't

41:46

make it so. And

41:48

I love that all

41:50

pain is in the

41:52

past. What kind of

41:54

grace is that? Can

42:00

I make a

42:02

further statement because

42:05

as I talk

42:07

to you or

42:09

as I sense

42:11

or hear you

42:14

talking or because

42:16

this diagnosis is

42:18

about psychosis, I

42:20

sense like I

42:23

feel that connection,

42:25

like I have

42:27

a physical experience

42:29

of that your

42:32

words. like there

42:34

but very strongly

42:36

like a I

42:38

don't know how

42:41

to express that

42:43

like if there

42:45

is if you

42:47

are if space

42:50

from your side

42:52

is returning. Interesting.

42:54

I don't I

42:56

don't know. I

42:58

have no... and

43:01

feel so strange

43:03

to sit here

43:05

and then this...

43:07

maybe it all

43:10

brings us to

43:12

now only the

43:14

dynamic of us

43:16

talking feels unnatural

43:19

to me. Yeah,

43:21

and what's so

43:23

beautiful about that

43:25

is it is

43:28

a natural because

43:30

you're in the

43:32

remembering and not

43:34

in the present.

43:37

Okay. No proof

43:39

it's ever been

43:41

said. Even if

43:43

I tell you,

43:45

yeah, I said

43:48

it. It's up

43:50

to you too.

43:52

Ultimately. To believe

43:54

me or not,

43:57

that's yours. And

44:01

then to

44:04

believe you

44:06

or not, so

44:09

you know who

44:11

you to

44:13

believe you

44:15

or not. Yes,

44:19

I understand

44:22

you. And yes,

44:25

I understand

44:29

you. Like

44:32

hyper no and balance

44:34

It's so like as

44:37

when I shut or I Don't

44:39

know what it is is

44:42

that non-duality

44:44

and then You are

44:46

speaking and as soon

44:49

as you speak or

44:51

maybe there's too

44:53

much past my

44:55

perception There's

44:57

like this I

45:01

don't... I have no words

45:03

for it. Well, you're

45:06

just left with

45:08

no proof. It's

45:10

like I'm speaking,

45:12

and if you recall

45:14

that, that's yours,

45:16

that's not me.

45:19

Great. So it will

45:21

not affect your

45:24

enlightenment, to

45:26

understand that. Okay.

45:32

Other than to allow

45:34

you to, to speak

45:37

of one world

45:39

and stay anchored

45:41

in, in this gift

45:44

that you were

45:46

given, that moment

45:48

of clarity

45:50

to respect it,

45:53

and be at home

45:55

in the world

45:57

of imagination.

46:02

If you heard

46:05

me say it's

46:07

a gift, then

46:10

your imaginations at

46:12

play. That's remembering.

46:15

Okay, 3D. Thank

46:17

you for your

46:20

courage. And showing

46:23

up. Thank you.

46:25

Thank you. Yeah.

46:30

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46:32

you, you, your dears are

46:34

off the chart. I love

46:36

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46:39

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46:43

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46:45

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46:54

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46:56

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