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Hi everyone, welcome to At Home

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with Sally. I'm Sally everyone! Welcome

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to At Home biggest I'm Sally

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Clarkson and I have the biggest

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privilege in the world to be

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with so many friends from all

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over the world to listen me every

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week to listen to my stories,

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inspiration, biblical encouragement, and I am

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just so glad that you're here

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today. Thanks so much! for joining. joining

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me. Thank

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you.

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Hello, my friends, I'm so glad

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that you joined me tonight. I

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just have the most wonderful, wonderful

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podcast for you. for you. I think

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this is the time of year

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when it will it will mean a

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lot to you. know, I know, I

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have spent so many years cultivating

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traditions and building routines and rhythms for

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my family, but sometimes I need

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some new ideas. I've always said

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the best woman is the woman

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who copies wise people. people. And so tonight

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I have have invited two very dear to

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be with be with me to tell

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you about this wonderful new book that

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is going to inspire you. and

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also just give give you fresh

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ideas of how to cultivate

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really warm friendships, how

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to cultivate the environment

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where where literally the glory,

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the sparkle, the the dimension, the

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love, the beauty of the

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Christ child coming into our world is

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going going to be enhanced by the

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things that you practice and

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all of the ways that you add

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creativity to your home this time of

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the year. year. So I wanna introduce my

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friends, I'm gonna let them introduce themselves

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them tell you all about themselves and

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then I'm gonna ask them if they

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can remember when we met each other. So

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here we are. them if they

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can remember when up again,

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each other. here we are.

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and I, Lanier Ivester and

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I live in. with my

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husband Philip and a menagerie of

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barn animals and dogs. And it's

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true, she really does. And a

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peacock, I have a peacock. Just

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one? Just one, I had two,

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but his brother passed away. So,

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old age. But yes, I have

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been writing since I was eight

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years old. It's always been a

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passion of mine. And I have

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just published my first book. Glad

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and Golden Hours? Yeah, I was

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going to say, yeah, I'll say

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the name of it. Glad and

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golden hours. Upon which I collaborated

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with my very dear friend Jennifer

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Trafton, so I'll let her introduce

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herself. Hi there. I'm Jennifer Trafton.

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And I, somebody just asked me,

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when did you start being an

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artist? Because I illustrated this book.

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I said, when? It's beautiful illustrations.

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You can't even imagine the illustrations.

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But keep going. We won't interrupt

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you except five more times. It's

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like, when I started, when I

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was able to hold a crayon.

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I don't remember ever in my

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life not drawing. I was an

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artist long before I was a

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writer, but I guess I'm both

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now. It took me a long

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time to say I was an

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artist. Oh my goodness, you are.

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I didn't know that you were

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all these years. I kind of

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hid. You know, I was really

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shy about it. But I am

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the author of a couple of

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children's books and I've been involved

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with the rabbit room for 15

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years. I met my husband at

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the first touch with it along

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with Lanier. Yeah, and Sarah was

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there. And Sarah, I met Sarah.

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Yeah, that's how I think I

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met you is Sarah. And it

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has just been a complete joy

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to get to collaborate with Lanier

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on this book. Well, it's amazing.

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I heard about this book being

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formed years ago. And I have

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to tell you, these are some

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of the most creative soulmates

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that I know. And so that's

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why it's a privilege to be

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able to be with them. We

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did meet. For those of you

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who don't have any idea of

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what we're talking about, rabbit room

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or hutch mood. So could one

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of you all or both of

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you all say, what is it?

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And why did we immediately have

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a connection? Oh, well, your husband

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named it. Actually, Clay did name

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it in a Panera's. You know,

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of all the places, you can

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be inspired. He came up with

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the idea of hutch moot. Oh,

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I guess I should define the

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rabbit room, although it should be

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Pete, my husband. As some of

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you might know, the C.S. Lewis

4:45

and Tolkien and their friends, they

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call themselves the inklings, they would,

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a group of them would meet

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at a pub called the Eagle

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and Child, and sometimes in one

4:56

of their rooms at the university.

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of Oxford and they would share

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their writings with each other and

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they were friends for many years

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and the the Narnia Chronicles and

5:07

the Lord of the Rings and

5:09

many other things came out of

5:11

that friendship and that collaboration and

5:14

so the rabbit room was the

5:16

room in this pub where they

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would meet and they would talk

5:20

every week. So the rabbit room

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organization was inspired by the album.

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So they actually called it the

5:27

rabbit room. I forgot that. Oh,

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I've been here a million times,

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of course. Yeah, it's called the

5:34

Robert woman organization is inspired by

5:36

that. And I think the line

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we like to say is a

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community nourishes art and art nourishes

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community. So it is an a

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non-profit organization not just for artists

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but for building community and for

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building spiritual formation through the arts

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through story and art and music

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and every year for the past

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15 years we have had an

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annual annual conference in Nashville, Tennessee,

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where we live called Hutchnoot. And

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it is really, it is very

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hard to define. It's a conference

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for everybody. Well, it's for all

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of you who sometimes sit in

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your home and think, I am

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different than everyone else. And I

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have ideas and words come to

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my mind or a painting or

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music and it's a place for

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you to go because I feel

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like there's this kinship between the

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God blessed people who their personality

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has that desire to speak, to

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talk, to explain, to make beautiful.

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And so it's really fun because

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everyone is either there because they

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love that or because they want

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to be involved in it. So

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the refrain you often hear is,

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you know, I don't know why

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I'm here but I knew I

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had to come. Yeah. So true.

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You've actually been having a hutch

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meeting. We've been hutch meeting. Today

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was the day when people got

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to share what it meant to

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them and that was really just

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emotional for me. It is every

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year. But so many people come,

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as you say, not really knowing

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why. And feeling like they don't

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belong anywhere and they come and

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they find people who. are like

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them. And we love the same

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things. And every single session is

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about something to do with an

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artist or a musician or writing

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or how to do it or

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how to do it better or

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whatever. And of course the family

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who started this are the Petersons.

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So Pete and Andrew Peterson are

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brothers and Both of them are

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authors and they and was Andrew

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who Visited the rabbit room many

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many years ago and had this

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idea of bringing something like that

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back to Nashville just amongst his

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own friends And so it started

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just a circle of friends who

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wanted to share their art with

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each other to support each other

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and it has now grown a

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thriving community, not just in Nashville,

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but online and through these conferences.

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And yes, I met Pete at

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the first touch moot. Her husband.

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And we are now married. And

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so I have been. very rabbit

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room adjacent for the past. Well,

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and it spawned this incredible publishing

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house. I mean, they have created

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the most beautiful, predictably beautiful, and

8:22

deep books. And that's what Glad

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and Golden Hours is. And so,

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and these two. Didn't you meet

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at the first touch meet? Yes.

8:31

Yes. At the lunch table. Oh

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my goodness. Wow, you're kidding. Yeah.

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Well, I do think that community

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spawns creativity and community spawns friendship

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and those kind of things we

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long for. So quickly, because we

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can't do this for five hours.

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We can only do it for

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one hour. Tell just the tiniest

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little bit about your friendship and

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then how you became collaborators together

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because I think that a part

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of the spark of your friendship

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is that you all have soulmates.

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You found soulmates with each other.

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And so tell just a little

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tiny bit about that because it's

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my hope that on this podcast

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you won't just hear about these

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wonderful things that our friends have

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accomplished, but that you might get

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an idea. of, oh my goodness,

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I would do something like this

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in my home or in my

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community or I want to be

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a part of something like this.

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So tell just a tiny bit.

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Yeah, well I'll start and then

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I'll hand it off to you

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Jennifer, but the story behind the

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book is as dear to me

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as a lot of the stories

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in the book. But like we

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said, Jennifer and I met at

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the first hutch moot and I

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met, even planned for you to

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come. and visit me in Atlanta,

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which you did. they don't even

9:53

live in the same place. Right.

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She lives in Nashville. I live

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in Atlanta. And that we just

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really connected. And Jennifer, we've visited

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back and forth. Of course, we

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see each other at the rabbit

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room events. We've presented a lot

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of sessions together and worked on.

10:10

worked on sessions and worked through

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things that we're struggling with in

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our lives to present, you know,

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come out on the other end

10:19

and present these sessions together. And

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so, you know, we just really,

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in a lot of ways, we're

10:26

very different and in a lot

10:28

of ways, just are just our

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core central values are so so

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in sync with each other. You're

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kind of like dance partners. I

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mean, what I mean is you're

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in sync, but you both have

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a different thing that you accomplish

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or a different thing that you

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bring to the table. I absolutely

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love presenting a hutch mute session

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with Jennifer because She, I just

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feel like we're, she always brings

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the perfect counterpart to what I'm

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trying to say. And you know

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when I'm presenting a session or

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working on something I realize, oh

11:02

I can't say everything on this

11:05

subject and I don't know everything

11:07

on this subject. But Jennifer just

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always seems to balance it out

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and pull things out of me

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and I don't know, it's just

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a really fun chemistry, but I

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love it because you all aren't

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cookie cutter. In other words, they

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both have these very unique and

11:24

very different personalities, but they're alike

11:26

in principle. They're alike in the

11:28

golden nuggets that they have shared

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with you. And the reason I

11:33

say that is because a lot

11:35

of times people have said, Sally

11:37

is the only thing you do

11:39

is drink a cup of tea

11:41

all day long. And somebody will

11:44

say, I love coffee or you

11:46

know, I don't like tea or

11:48

whatever. And no, these two, come

11:50

at, excuse me, come at this

11:52

with different perspectives, different personalities, a

11:54

different application of beauty, a unique

11:57

application of beauty, but they collaborate

11:59

so well because they agree so

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well. on the truth and the

12:03

virtue of what they've accomplished. So

12:05

tell me, I really think so.

12:07

I mean I love it that

12:10

you all are different in your

12:12

personality and that's so affirmed because

12:14

I want everybody to know their

12:16

puzzle is their puzzle and yet

12:18

into their life puzzle they can

12:20

bring beauty in a unique sort

12:23

of way. And also I think

12:25

the holiday season can be so

12:27

busy. and so fraught with activity,

12:29

but I want you to tell

12:31

me what is a glad and

12:33

golden hour, and then tell me

12:36

what is inside of this book.

12:38

Okay, so the title of the

12:40

book is Glad and Golden Hours,

12:42

a companion for Advent and Christmas

12:44

Tide, and the title comes from

12:46

a phrase in, it's embedded in

12:49

a A very familiar Christmas Carol,

12:51

it's a verse that you rarely

12:53

hear from, it came up in

12:55

the midnight clear. Oh really? Uh-huh.

12:57

And Jennifer did this beautiful frontist

12:59

piece for the book. Oh my

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gosh, I wish I could see

13:04

it. It's so gorgeous, this book

13:06

is. You just, even if you

13:08

just get it to read it

13:10

and look at it, it will

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bring great solace to your soul.

13:14

But she did the frontist piece,

13:17

she like illuminated that that verse

13:19

from that Carol and if it's

13:21

okay I'll just read it really

13:23

quickly. Of course, please do. It

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says, and this I think will

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give a really good sense of

13:30

what's inside the book. All ye

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beneath life's crushing load whose forms

13:34

are bending low, who toil along

13:36

the climbing way with painful steps

13:38

and slow. Look now for glad

13:40

and golden hours, come swiftly on

13:43

the wing, O rest beside the

13:45

weary road, and hear the angels

13:47

sing. Oh, it's beautiful. I know,

13:49

it's so beautiful, and I just

13:51

feel like it expresses like the

13:53

tension between, you know, the toiling

13:56

along the climbing way, you know,

13:58

all the burdens of life and

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how hard life is, but you

14:02

know, it invites people. the observance

14:04

of Christmas not as like one

14:06

more thing you have to do

14:09

at the end of a hard

14:11

year but as a resting place.

14:13

A resting place you know... There's

14:15

a place of hope I know.

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Yes and you know we're always

14:19

talking in our church about working

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from a place of rest like

14:24

working from a place of acceptance

14:26

and just out of love and

14:28

so that's really... what

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the heart of this book is.

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Well I love it. Okay so

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I want them to understand there

14:37

are pictures and recipes and traditions

14:39

and stories and oh my goodness

14:41

the illustrations I just want to

14:43

cut out. I want one book

14:45

just to cut out. Well, I

14:47

can put all the beautiful pictures

14:49

in different places. We had way

14:51

too much fun, making this book.

14:53

Way too much fun. And actually,

14:55

Jennifer has made some prints of

14:57

some of the artwork in the

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book. It's beautiful. And you can,

15:01

can they order those? We'll tell

15:03

them later where they can. Okay,

15:05

they are gorgeous. They would be

15:07

frameables that you would absolutely look

15:09

at again and again and again

15:11

and take a breath of peace.

15:13

So tell me I'm pushing you

15:15

on this because since we all

15:17

have just been for three days

15:19

in a conference, we're trying to

15:21

talk with you while our adrenaline

15:23

is high, but it's exciting me

15:25

just to talk about it. So

15:27

tell me what is kind of

15:29

a favorite story that sometimes you

15:31

all share. about, I mean, you

15:33

have one and you have one,

15:35

about when you came to this

15:37

whole area of traditions and beauty

15:39

and goodness, and what are either

15:41

your favorite stories, your favorite recipe,

15:43

or some of your favorite aspects

15:45

of the book, or all three?

15:47

Well, I'll jump in and start

15:49

with that. One of the main

15:51

themes of the book is that,

15:53

I mean, it's, you know, I

15:55

talk a lot about tradition. this

15:57

book and Christmas traditions and family

15:59

traditions and forming traditions, keeping traditions

16:01

and how sometimes when life gets

16:03

really hard we realize that our

16:05

traditions are keeping us. We're not

16:07

so much keeping them. But I

16:09

really try to get the point

16:11

across that traditions serve relationships rather

16:13

than the other way around that

16:15

they're not something that's meant to

16:17

be imposed because that becomes a

16:19

burden rather than. you know, a

16:21

joy and a lot of people

16:23

are really turned off by tradition

16:25

for that very reason. But, you

16:27

know, tradition ought to be an

16:29

embodiment of a reality that's already

16:31

active and present, you know. But

16:33

anyway, so one of my favorite

16:35

stories in the book and one

16:37

of my favorite stories just in

16:39

general that I feel, um, articulates

16:41

this in my life, one of

16:43

our very, very favorite Christmas traditions

16:45

that my husband, Philip, and me.

16:47

Every Christmas Eve, we host a

16:49

big Christmas Eve brunch at our

16:51

house. And we live in the

16:53

house that my husband grew up

16:55

in. It's an old plantation plain

16:57

Georgia farmhouse. But I'm telling you,

16:59

this is the most gorgeous. house.

17:01

It's just got a beautiful little,

17:03

I don't even know what you'd

17:05

say, treasures at every single point.

17:07

And I visited you once when

17:09

the leaves were all turning. Oh

17:11

my goodness, it was so gorgeous.

17:13

So picture yourself in a place

17:16

where the wind is slightly blowing

17:18

and the leaves are rustling. And

17:20

you're just cold enough that you

17:22

can't wait to go inside and

17:24

eat or drink something that Lanier

17:26

has made. And sit by the

17:28

fire. And sit by the fire

17:30

and be friends. And I was

17:32

so happy to be in a

17:34

place where our relationship deepened just

17:36

because you had taken time to

17:38

prepare. But anyway, go ahead. You

17:40

may tell your story. Well, so

17:42

this, and as I know, this

17:44

house is very much a character

17:46

in the book. much, but you

17:48

know, readers will see. But anyway,

17:50

we host this Christmas Eve branch.

17:52

So Phillips parents and their best

17:54

friends, Luther and Carol, years ago

17:56

when Phillips brothers and Luther and

17:58

Carol's children were small, they started

18:00

meeting on Christmas Eve at each

18:02

other's houses. They would take turns.

18:04

And then anyway, over the years,

18:06

like people moved in different directions.

18:08

And Philip and I realized that

18:10

our house was central. Like, we

18:12

were kind of an hour from

18:14

everybody. And so we kind of

18:16

re-instituted the tradition of the Christmas

18:18

Eve brunch. I go all out.

18:20

I do. I do, like I

18:22

iron napkins for everybody. I mean,

18:24

even the little three-year-old girl gets

18:26

her iron napkin and I... you

18:28

know, put out the best dishes

18:30

and the menu is really easy

18:32

because again tradition like everybody brings

18:34

the same thing. I don't, I

18:36

don't, I had two dishes that

18:38

I make and then everybody else

18:40

brings. So quickly what dishes do

18:42

you make? Oh, I make these

18:44

very decadent cinnamon caramel rolls. And

18:46

the recipe is in the book,

18:48

but they're really good. And then

18:50

I also make, I just do

18:52

like sausage. And I've started making

18:54

my mother-in-law's coconut cake, which she

18:56

was famous for. What else do

18:58

I mean? I think that's all

19:00

that amate on Christmas. You do

19:02

everything. But anyway, so I, you

19:04

know, set tables all over the

19:06

house and like just really go

19:08

out with decorating and I have

19:10

all these little games and traditions

19:12

that we do for the children.

19:14

And one of them is, and

19:16

I don't know if you did

19:18

this when you're a child, Sally,

19:20

but we always used to take

19:22

oranges and like naval arms and

19:24

cut a hole and put a

19:26

soft peppermint stick and like drink

19:28

the orange juice and I tried

19:30

that out on the kids one

19:32

year and for whatever reason they

19:34

just absolutely loved it so I

19:36

do that with them every year

19:38

we do it. Even if they

19:40

can't get any juice out of

19:42

it. Yeah and they're all like

19:44

have orange juice all over their

19:46

gems and it's just they love

19:48

it but. we do like a

19:50

flaming pudding. I mean, it's just

19:52

so fun. And then the kids

19:55

all go out and play in

19:57

the yard. They run down at

19:59

the barn. They go up in

20:01

the attic and get dress up

20:03

clothes. Like, it's just an all-day

20:05

affair. And I love it so

20:07

much. Well, the year. You all

20:09

kind of belong to each other,

20:11

don't you? We do. Yes, they're

20:13

our family. I mean, this family

20:15

and they're kids and great. Like,

20:17

we are really family. Like, we

20:19

are really family. In 2017, Philip

20:21

and I had a pretty catastrophic

20:23

house fire and our house did

20:25

not burn to the ground, but

20:27

it was very, very seriously damaged

20:29

to the point that we had

20:31

to move out into an RV

20:33

in our backyard for a year

20:35

where our house is being restored.

20:37

I talk about this in the

20:39

book too, but... One of the

20:41

worst things was Christmas because I

20:43

you know all of these things

20:45

that embodied you know my relationships

20:47

and my love of the season

20:49

I couldn't do them. I mean

20:51

I just want to say that

20:53

being hospitable, taking care of people,

20:55

generously providing for people, cooking for

20:57

people is the joy of your

20:59

life. So that had to be

21:01

so heartbreaking. I remember when it

21:03

happened. Yes, yes, and I remember

21:05

how you comforted me. I was

21:07

like, I have notes in my

21:09

Bible to this day from a

21:11

phone call with you, but after

21:13

that. But anyway, I was really,

21:15

you know, the thing that I

21:17

grieved the most that Christmas was

21:19

not being able to host the

21:21

Christmas Eve brunch. And I was

21:23

secretly afraid that the children would

21:25

think of something else that they

21:27

wanted to do. You know, you

21:29

know, that something would come in

21:31

that would, you know, kind of

21:33

would take the place and that

21:35

tradition would die. And I realize,

21:37

you know, if that is the

21:39

case, I have to let that

21:41

happen, you know, you have to,

21:43

you know, it's a delicate balance.

21:45

But anyway, we got through Christmas

21:47

and it was very different and

21:49

the day after Christmas, one of

21:51

my friends of this family called

21:53

me and said, that, that just

21:55

like Christmas to them that they

21:57

weren't able to come to your

21:59

house and can we just come

22:01

and I was like well absolutely

22:03

and I ran to the grocery

22:05

store and this is the day

22:07

after Christmas like all the Christmas

22:09

cookies are gone yeah yeah which

22:11

is another gripe I have with

22:13

our modern world but but I

22:15

got some like little butter cookies

22:17

and I got some apple cider

22:19

and I had some some oranges

22:21

I think back at the camper

22:23

and so ran back home and

22:25

they came and the children played

22:27

in the yard they went to

22:29

the barn they played with the

22:31

animals they took walks they played

22:33

football they took a tour of

22:36

you know we're just starting the

22:38

restoration of the house you know

22:40

and they had so much fun

22:42

and I realized I mean at

22:44

one point when the little girls

22:46

came up to me and Somebody

22:48

had sent me a little box

22:50

of, Lancia Smith had sent me

22:52

a little box of soft peppermint

22:54

sticks for Christmas. And I put

22:56

him out and one of the

22:58

little girls said, Miss Lanier, do

23:00

you have an orange? And I

23:02

was like, oh, I'll find you,

23:04

I'll find you one. But you

23:06

know, the thing that struck me

23:08

so pointedly that day is the

23:10

kids did not care about all

23:12

the stuff. They just wanted to

23:14

be together. And it, you know,

23:16

I thought that I was so

23:18

wise in all these things and

23:20

it was so humbling to see

23:22

their simplicity and, you know, to

23:24

just, to realize that the, this

23:26

tradition that we had kept all

23:28

these years was a container for

23:30

these precious relationships and, and that

23:32

was all that mattered. I love

23:34

that story. You all know our

23:36

kids. And one time the boys

23:38

both came home, one from California

23:40

and one from Boston, and they

23:42

both said, oh I can't wait

23:44

to come home. And I said,

23:46

well what do you want to

23:48

do? And we called feasting if

23:50

you just ate. And I mean

23:52

it could be crackers. But they

23:54

said we miss feasting and being

23:56

together and talking at the table.

23:58

You know, if we can just

24:00

do that, and I think sometimes

24:02

we make things too hard. know,

24:04

it's the cultivating kind of like

24:06

this weekend. It's the cultivating of

24:08

the deep friendships that we all

24:10

long for. So now your turn.

24:12

I can't wait to hear. Well,

24:14

my goodness. Well, this is just

24:16

this is all reminded me of

24:18

a story from my childhood and

24:20

then I'm going to talk about

24:22

the book itself. But so I

24:24

was the one in my family

24:26

who loved traditions and I really,

24:28

really clung to traditions and One

24:30

of them was the Christmas tree

24:32

for me. I, so I, in

24:34

my mind growing up, there was

24:36

a very specific way that this

24:38

needed to happen in our family.

24:40

And that it needs to be,

24:42

because I loved it, it needs

24:44

to be repeated every year, you

24:46

know. Did your mom start it

24:48

out? I don't know who started,

24:50

but you know, we kind of

24:52

fell into a certain rhythm. And

24:54

for me, it involved putting on

24:56

the Karen Carpenter Christmas record and

24:58

then there was a couple others.

25:00

It had to be that there

25:02

was an order in which things

25:04

were done. There were specific ordinance

25:06

that had to be brought out

25:08

with ceremony and this same sort

25:10

of stories or exclamations being made

25:12

about them. I had my favorites.

25:14

It was something that we did

25:17

together. And maybe I had a

25:19

couple of memories of, you know,

25:21

favorite examples of that from the

25:23

past. And I just loved that

25:25

night. Well, it evidently met a

25:27

deep need in you when they

25:29

first started it. Yeah. So there

25:31

was one particular year. And when

25:33

I was a teenager, our family

25:35

went through an incredibly busy couple

25:37

of years. We were taking me

25:39

in a foster child. It was

25:41

so much going on. And my

25:43

mom was in school. I mean,

25:45

it was just, you know, our

25:47

family was a family of teenagers.

25:49

And this particular year, the Christmas

25:51

tree never got finished. I think

25:53

the particular night, there was a

25:55

argument with my brother and my

25:57

somebody. This happens with teenagers. Oh,

25:59

yeah. And everybody was busy. And

26:01

like it got half put up

26:03

and then didn't. And I was

26:05

so upset. I feel bad about

26:07

that. I wrote, I was into

26:09

writing poetry about that time, and

26:11

I wrote the most sentimental melodramatic

26:13

poem about the day the Christmas

26:15

tree didn't get. And I, about

26:17

the, and all I remember is

26:19

that it ended with, um, Togetherness

26:22

will pass too soon and we

26:24

will wish we'd finished that one

26:26

Christmas tree. And then I left

26:29

the paper on my parents' bed

26:31

and didn't say anything about it.

26:33

And I just let them find

26:35

it. And they have never let

26:37

me live this down because it

26:40

made them feel so guilty. I

26:42

have never heard that story. They

26:44

felt... So guilty. So guilty. Well

26:46

done Jennifer. They've never let me

26:48

let me let anything. So then

26:51

of course they never let a

26:53

Christmas come by without doing the

26:55

Christmas dream. But of course now

26:57

as an adult I look back

27:00

and you know it wasn't about

27:02

the tree. It wasn't about the

27:04

Karen Carpenter record or those particular

27:06

ornaments like I'm looking back now

27:08

I'm realizing that I was just

27:11

to me those things were little

27:13

signs of a certain you know

27:15

relational mood in our family that

27:17

I was longing for and I

27:19

wanted us to be together and

27:22

we were going through a very

27:24

scattered time and so clearly what

27:26

I was longing for was that

27:28

sense of closeness again that this

27:30

symbolized you know it wasn't about

27:33

the tradition it was what the

27:35

tradition signified. Well, maybe you wanted

27:37

to feel close to your loved

27:39

ones and you had felt it

27:41

before and you weren't feeling it.

27:44

That particular year we weren't feeling

27:46

it. But I mean it's important

27:48

for us to stop life long

27:50

enough to look into the eyes

27:52

of our people and say what

27:55

is going on? there because that

27:57

was very significant I felt the

27:59

same way before. But I do

28:01

feel bad that I made them

28:03

feel so guilty. So fast forward

28:06

that to you, fast forward to

28:08

you, you know a couple years

28:10

ago when I visited Lanier and

28:12

I was coming during a, you

28:14

know, a very hard time for

28:17

me. And I think she invited

28:19

me to help her make Christmas

28:21

cookies. Like she, you know, just

28:23

I needed a couple days and

28:25

she said, well, if you want

28:28

to help you make Christmas cookies,

28:30

that's what I'm going to be

28:32

doing. So I drove down and

28:34

I remember especially sitting there while

28:36

she was making the caramels. Oh,

28:39

I want to carry a meal.

28:41

You may make Christmas cookies. I'm

28:43

not a good cook or baker.

28:45

I'm a reasonably good helper if

28:47

I can stay focused, but if

28:50

I'm talking I will not stay

28:52

focused and then when you're just

28:54

learning this about me. So anyway,

28:56

she was making the caramel and

28:58

standing at the stove. talking about

29:01

what this, the candy making meant

29:03

to her, you know, and the

29:05

fact that she sets aside an

29:07

entire day just to stand at

29:09

the stove and stir the caramel.

29:12

And, you know, and then we

29:14

started talking about her other traditions

29:16

and the fact that she irons

29:18

napkins for her dinner. I know

29:20

I am very impressed with that.

29:23

I have a bunch of wrinkled

29:25

napkins. in a chest of drawers

29:27

that I never get to. I've

29:29

never even considered ironing any napkin.

29:31

But then she told me why.

29:34

Like that it was for her

29:36

a ritual in which as she

29:38

full as she ironed each napkin

29:40

she prayed for the person who

29:42

was going to be sitting at

29:45

that place at her table that

29:47

night at this party. and it

29:49

was a sacrament of something else.

29:51

And like I just remember thinking

29:53

with you know the with the

29:56

napkins and the caramel. many things

29:58

that Liny or she's so good

30:00

at all these traditions, but it's

30:02

not about the cooking of the

30:04

caramel. It's not about you have

30:07

to have the perfectly ironed napkin.

30:09

It's just like that the Christmas

30:11

tree was for me. It's a

30:13

little window. through which we get

30:15

to see something else. Oh I

30:18

love that. And so like my

30:20

favorite sections of the book are

30:22

still the one on caramel making.

30:24

Oh really? And the one on

30:26

the feasting with friends where you're

30:29

preparing. Especially, I think the caramel

30:31

is my favorite, but it's because

30:33

it's not about the caramel. Like

30:35

it's like your story, it's like

30:37

it's being together. And for her,

30:40

like I'm putting words in your

30:42

mouth, I should just let you

30:44

talk, but like it's that that's

30:46

a day when you stop in

30:48

all of the busyness of the

30:51

season and all the craziness and

30:53

you get to, you've said, I'm

30:55

gonna take this day and I'm

30:57

gonna stir caramel. And I'm going

30:59

to stand at my stove and

31:02

I'm going to rest, I'm going

31:04

to be quiet, I'm going to

31:06

pray, I'm going to prepare my

31:08

heart for the season ahead. And

31:10

the caramel becomes like an excuse

31:13

to do that. It's a tool,

31:15

it's an instrument that can be

31:17

used to cultivate those memories and

31:19

relationships. Yeah, and we need, I

31:21

think God made us so that

31:24

we need the caramel. Yeah, I

31:26

should. He made sugar after all.

31:28

Like we're not naturally going to

31:30

stop and rest unless there's a

31:32

physical reason sometimes. And so like

31:35

he gave us the gift of

31:37

caramel because it takes a long

31:39

time and you have to stand

31:41

at the stove and and be

31:43

friends and talk. Well I love

31:46

that and I have thought a

31:48

lot especially when I was reading

31:50

the book because I've thought a

31:52

lot about it just in the

31:55

past few years. Why did God

31:57

create all the feasts for Israel?

31:59

They were supposed to stop their

32:01

busy lives. They were supposed to

32:03

put time aside, make special food,

32:06

do things and he was always

32:08

about remembering. Remember when the Lord

32:10

your God provided. Remember this and

32:12

that and the other. And I

32:14

think that if we don't as

32:17

a culture have points where we

32:19

stop, anchors so to speak in

32:21

our year, where we stop and

32:23

put the anchor down and say

32:25

this is a time for me

32:28

to get perspective in my life,

32:30

to remember what God has done,

32:32

to remember what my life is

32:34

about, to remember the people I

32:36

love. And I think that God

32:39

was a god of feasts because

32:41

he knew that we would forget

32:43

the value, the priorities, the lessons,

32:45

the things that we're really going

32:47

to give life to our soul.

32:50

And that's what I love about

32:52

this book that you all did

32:54

and talk just a little bit

32:56

about people throw this word around

32:58

all the time. But what is

33:01

a sacrament and why are the

33:03

traditions that it can be any

33:05

tradition? You can, you know, you

33:07

can do your Swedish, your Dutch,

33:09

your Austrian, your English, your, you

33:12

know, the Asian, whatever it is.

33:14

But the traditions themselves are created

33:16

for our hearts and for our

33:18

relationships. So what is, what does

33:20

sacrament mean and why are these

33:23

special unique traditions that we do

33:25

ourselves so important? Well, God knows

33:27

that we forget, but he also

33:29

knows that we are very physical

33:31

tactile beings, you know, we need...

33:34

taste and he made us to

33:36

need to eat. Yeah, exactly, right.

33:38

We get hungry. But I feel

33:40

like the simplest way to define

33:42

a Sacramento living or Sacramento worldview,

33:45

Sacramento acts, is that you're trying,

33:47

or you are, making visible something

33:49

that's invisible. Like you're giving physical

33:51

form to something. is unseen. And

33:53

the only thing that accomplishes that

33:56

is your intention. It's so simple.

33:58

And there's a quote from Jim

34:00

Hopkins that I love so much.

34:02

He's my favorite poet. Girard Manly

34:04

Hopkins. Girard Manly Hopkins. Yes. I

34:07

love that you know on his

34:09

poetry. Oh, he's my favorite. I

34:11

love him so much. But it's

34:13

actually not from one of his

34:15

poems. It's from a letter. And

34:18

I think it was to his

34:20

friend Robert Bridges, but I'm not

34:22

exactly sure. But in this letter,

34:24

he says that God is so

34:26

great that all things give him

34:29

glory if we mean that they

34:31

should. Like if our heart is

34:33

like, Lord, I'm lifting this to

34:35

you, I'm doing this. to embody

34:37

something that is true. And so

34:40

that's that's what we mean. It's

34:42

so true, it's from the heart.

34:44

And you know, Jennifer and I

34:46

actually talked about this in our

34:48

hutch-moot session yesterday that, you know,

34:51

I was making the point that

34:53

these little lesser daily sacraments or

34:55

even the sacram- you know, just

34:57

kind of the sacramental mindset of

34:59

the why behind the wherefor of

35:02

all of our holiday preparations, like

35:04

it's shepherding toward something greater of

35:06

course like the Eucharist like the

35:08

Lord's Supper like you know our

35:10

you know whatever rituals of our

35:13

of our Christian tradition but Jennifer

35:15

pointed out that it works that

35:17

the you know in the opposite

35:19

direction as well like the the

35:21

Lord's Supper in the Eucharist and

35:24

the sacraments like prepare us for

35:26

our ordinary life and to come

35:28

to that you know brushing our

35:30

teeth and you know brushing our

35:32

teeth and you know making the

35:35

sandwich you know with a sense

35:37

of It's all holy. It is

35:39

all holy. I was really touched

35:41

this year when I was writing

35:43

Well Live because Nathan and Keely

35:46

had this is going to make

35:48

sense. They hadn't been with us

35:50

for the two years that we

35:52

were overseas because it was hard

35:54

to get visas. And so I

35:57

said, I'm going to fly through

35:59

New York on the way home.

36:01

And they got us tickets to

36:03

Funny Girl. And I thought, oh,

36:05

this can't be that good, because

36:08

I liked Barbara Stry Sand. And

36:10

when Barbara Stry Sand did it,

36:12

she did it with her whole

36:14

heart. But I was thinking about,

36:16

it was like the Holy Spirit,

36:19

and they had gotten me seats

36:21

up front, they were in the

36:23

back, and as she got onto

36:25

the stage, she was in it

36:27

for her whole heart. I mean,

36:30

she was singing and adding, and

36:32

she was dramatic, and she was

36:34

right across the stage. I mean,

36:36

she was showing everybody else up,

36:38

of course. But I was thinking

36:41

about, it was like the Holy

36:43

Spirit said, This is what it

36:45

means with your whole heart. It

36:47

doesn't almost even matter what the

36:50

tradition is. It's like you wanted

36:52

to decorate that tree with your

36:54

whole heart, you know? And I

36:56

have thought a lot that we

36:58

need to picture what it means

37:01

to love God. with our whole

37:03

heart and that's what you're saying

37:05

that if we do something Sacramento

37:07

With our heart with the heart

37:09

of love with the heart of

37:12

devotion this is for you God

37:14

and we can do that I

37:16

love this book because it points

37:18

out it's every day every word

37:20

you give every action that you

37:23

have with your whole heart. So

37:25

beautiful. What is the poem that

37:27

says, somebody who's sweeping a woman

37:29

who sweeps the floor with her

37:31

whole heart, a glorifying God, makes

37:34

that and the action pure, do

37:36

you know what I'm talking about?

37:38

Oh, I haven't heard that before,

37:40

yeah. That's a theme that goes

37:42

back in church history a long

37:45

way, that like if whatever we

37:47

are doing, no matter how tedious

37:49

and ordinary, if we're doing it

37:51

to the glory of God in

37:53

a thankfulness in our heart, it

37:56

becomes a holy act in that

37:58

moment. I think that's beautiful so

38:01

true. Well, we are getting toward

38:03

the end of our time together.

38:05

I know all of you who

38:08

are out there want me to

38:10

do this even longer. They want

38:12

me to do it for two

38:15

or three hours. But what would

38:17

you all hope that people who

38:19

are listening would glean from your

38:22

book because I feel like, I

38:24

don't know about you, but it's

38:27

so rare that I see beautiful

38:29

books anymore. And I feel like

38:31

even when I sat down and

38:34

looked at this book and read

38:36

like the first page, you know,

38:38

the first I'd never heard in

38:41

that came at Pondon Nightcler. There's

38:43

sometimes that we just need beauty

38:45

and dimension. to fill our souls.

38:48

Our souls long for pictures, they

38:50

long for tastes, they long for

38:53

sounds and smells, as you were

38:55

saying a minute ago. So what,

38:57

as you were picking and choosing,

39:00

what you put in here, what

39:02

is your hope that when people

39:04

looked at this book and read

39:07

it and maybe passed it on

39:09

for other generations, what is your

39:11

ultimate hope? in this busy, crazy

39:14

world that this book going into

39:16

the world would do for the

39:19

people who would have the privilege

39:21

of having it. Well, the subtitle,

39:23

as I've already mentioned, is A

39:26

Companion for Advent and Christmas Tide,

39:28

and there are two hopes embedded

39:30

in that little phrase. And when

39:33

we were creating this book, my

39:35

editor and publisher, Peterson, we really

39:37

went back and forth on that

39:40

word companion because he kept saying,

39:42

I think there's some, this doesn't

39:44

quite say it, you know, because

39:47

it almost makes it. It

39:50

could make it sound like a

39:52

manual, you know, and it's not

39:54

a manual. It is not a

39:56

how-to. It is not a cookbook.

39:59

It is not a... I mean,

40:01

it's very much a story. ways

40:03

to embody the themes of the

40:05

book through recipes and crafts and

40:08

traditions and different things. But companion

40:10

just felt like the right word

40:12

because I said I want this

40:14

book to be a friend. I

40:17

want people to find a friend

40:19

in this book. I want it

40:21

to be an arm around the

40:23

shoulder. that says, hey, you know,

40:26

if you haven't had a life

40:28

behind you of happy Christmas traditions,

40:30

or if Christmas is overwhelming to

40:32

you, or if you're sad for

40:35

some reason, or living in a

40:37

desert of unfulfilled hope, or broken

40:39

home, or your life just doesn't

40:41

let the way that you thought

40:44

it would, that you would find

40:46

a friend here that could just

40:48

kind of say, you know, well,

40:50

here's some things that I, that

40:53

God has shown me in, in

40:55

some of the dark places. And,

40:57

um, and then the flip side

40:59

of that, you know, the advent

41:02

and Christmas tide, I didn't want

41:04

to write just a Christmas book.

41:06

I wanted the whole picture because

41:08

we need both. Advent traditionally has

41:11

been. a season of preparation for

41:13

Christmas. It's been a season of

41:15

penitents at times. And Advent is

41:17

the place where we live. Like

41:20

it is the place for the

41:22

waiting. It is the place that

41:24

we are able to acknowledge. this,

41:27

you know, things are not the

41:29

way that they ought to be.

41:32

And, and, you know, it's, it's

41:34

the waiting, you know, for our

41:36

Lord to appear in our circumstances

41:38

and to return, you know. And

41:40

so it is the place for

41:42

our grief, but Christmas traditionally has

41:44

been a 12-day feast, and that's

41:46

something that we have lost. Yes,

41:49

so true. And. To take time.

41:51

To actually celebrate the stupendous fact

41:53

that God has become one of

41:55

us. And that, you know, it's

41:57

not just like this mad rush.

41:59

get it all done in a

42:01

night and a day and then

42:03

move on to the next thing.

42:05

And plus for it to sink

42:08

into our children into our souls.

42:10

It takes time to soak in

42:12

it. And to enjoy it. You

42:14

know, and if it's all in

42:16

a rush, it's just it's gone

42:18

and you're like, what was that

42:20

all about? But, you know, if

42:22

Ivan is a place for our

42:25

grief, Christmas is the place for

42:27

our joy. And we need both

42:29

in life. And I just really

42:31

wanted to invite people into an

42:33

experience of joy. I absolutely love

42:35

that. Can I tell you something

42:37

quick that somebody just said to

42:39

me at Hutchman? Just today, at

42:41

the end of our conference, somebody

42:44

came up and said, she was

42:46

halfway through the book. And she

42:48

said, I knew I knew this

42:50

is going to be a beautiful

42:52

book about holiday traditions and you

42:54

know Christmas and all that stuff.

42:56

But she said, this is a

42:58

book for the brokenhearted. Oh, I

43:00

think it is. And I think

43:03

most of us have reason to

43:05

be broken hearted at this time.

43:07

Oh my goodness. And she's going

43:09

to give it to four of

43:11

her friends because of that note

43:13

she knows needed. And I think

43:15

it's so true that this is.

43:17

It's so easy to be happy

43:20

happy joy joy about the season

43:22

and so many people enter Christmas

43:24

brokenhearted Yeah, and you I think

43:26

do such a beautiful job of

43:28

making that space for grief and

43:30

sadness in the midst of the

43:32

joy Well, I just, I can't

43:34

tell you, I mean, this is

43:36

just a gift of a book.

43:39

To me, I've had, I have

43:41

millions of books in my home,

43:43

but this is going to go

43:45

in a special place on myself.

43:47

But I also just wanted to,

43:49

because you have the messages, you

43:51

have the recipes, you have the

43:53

traditions, but I can't even believe,

43:56

Jennifer, that you did this. I

43:58

mean there there are I mean

44:00

it has it has all of

44:02

these things going for it and

44:04

then to see the lettering to

44:06

see the stories that to see

44:08

the recipes that art the beauty

44:10

you could just almost like you

44:12

could take just a couple of

44:15

these pages and do a quiet

44:17

time just from them. It's kind

44:19

of, it's just absolutely amazing. But

44:21

how in the world did you

44:23

think through how to do all

44:25

of these different renderings? Well that's

44:27

a, I mean that's a fun

44:29

part of the whole collaborative process.

44:32

But so one of the things,

44:34

Sally you talked about Lanier's beautiful

44:36

home and it is very beautiful,

44:38

but like it's not just Beautiful.

44:40

It is like it is, it

44:42

is, it is, it kind of

44:44

embraces you. Yes, it's such a

44:46

welcoming warm haven of a place.

44:48

And Lanier's kitchen table beside the

44:51

fire in her kitchen, you know,

44:53

is one of, I think, the

44:55

most peaceful, restful, grounded places, you

44:57

know, I've ever been. And in

44:59

the book, I think that she

45:01

does such a beautiful job of

45:03

welcoming people into her story, so

45:05

that it really does feel like

45:08

a companion and a friendship. And

45:10

so when I was illustrating it,

45:12

what I was trying to do

45:14

very, very deliberately was to reflect

45:16

her house, her home, and make

45:18

it feel like visually you are

45:20

being welcomed into Lanier's home. And

45:22

so we did that by doing

45:24

a lot of sharing of photographs

45:27

and you know, through business. So

45:29

you know, when I would visit

45:31

and I would take some photographs,

45:33

we started a Pinterest board so

45:35

that Lanier could dump lots. She's

45:37

a beautiful photographer. If you follow

45:39

her and dump so many beautiful

45:41

pictures that I used as reference

45:43

photos. So the majority of the

45:46

illustrations in the book are based

45:48

on things in her house and

45:50

little vignettes that she puts together

45:52

and her house is on the

45:54

cover. So I really wanted to

45:56

make it feel like it's my

45:58

version of her house, but it's...

46:00

Yeah, that's the rough house. that

46:03

was a lot of it was

46:05

was me trying to reflect as

46:07

much as possible Lanier's own sense

46:09

of hospitality and beauty in the

46:11

way that she invites people into

46:13

her home and she helped me

46:15

like we talked about colors early

46:17

on I put when I put

46:19

together a palette of colors you

46:22

know I ran it by her

46:24

to make sure that I think

46:26

that some of her wallpaper ended

46:28

up, I based some signs off

46:30

her wallpaper, so she had so

46:32

much to do with the inspiration

46:34

for the art. And a lot

46:36

of that came out of the

46:39

collaboration between the two of us.

46:41

That was really fun. I love

46:43

how well you all have collaborated.

46:45

It's amazing. And when I was

46:47

at your house, I just, I

46:49

kind of would not come see

46:51

you because I was stuck in

46:53

the hallway or stuck in the

46:55

bathroom or stuck in the bathroom.

46:58

The photographs and the words and

47:00

the, you know, I was jealous

47:02

of how well you were able

47:04

to articulate the life giving home.

47:06

I'm teasing. But these two women,

47:08

I think, in their beautiful friendship,

47:10

got along. focused on this,

47:13

made this beautiful project, just the

47:15

story of their friendship and collaboration,

47:17

as well as the book, is

47:19

something that I know that you

47:21

will really, really enjoy. So thank

47:23

you all on this very tiring.

47:25

We all kind of dragged in

47:27

from adrenaline being on the ground.

47:29

And I think that because this

47:31

book is so fun, we have

47:33

the energy to do it. So

47:35

tell me quickly where they can

47:37

find either one of you all

47:39

and where they can find the

47:41

book. Well, you

47:43

can find, okay, so you can find

47:46

me at, my website is my name,

47:48

linearivister.com. Can you spell that? L-A-N-I-E-R-I-E-R-I-V-E-S-T-E-R-D-L-L-A-N-I-N-I-N-I-A-N-A-N-A-L-A-A-A-A-A-L-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A- And

47:50

I'm also linear Ivester, same spelling, on

47:52

Instagram. We also have a Glad and

47:55

Golden Hours Instagram account. And we have

47:57

a Glad and Golden. It's Glad and

47:59

Golden. It's Glad and golden.com. Glad and

48:01

golden.com is a website. Let me just

48:04

tell you about this website. Jennifer has

48:06

done everything and it is amazing. There

48:08

are downloads. Like we have. Some of

48:10

the crafts in the book have templates

48:13

and you can download them on the

48:15

website She's just got so many resources

48:17

on there It's amazing, but you can

48:19

order the book There's a link there

48:22

that will take you to the rabbit

48:24

room store Where you can order the

48:26

book you can so you can get

48:28

it directly from the rabbit room. You

48:31

can also get it on Amazon and

48:33

and sign up for our newsletter. Yes,

48:35

we don't, try not to bombard people,

48:37

of course, but we do like to

48:40

send out a friendly note every couple

48:42

of weeks because we do have a

48:44

lot of fun things that we're doing

48:47

that are coming up. We're going to

48:49

be doing a book discussion. If you'd

48:51

like to go through this book, like

48:53

through advent with this book, together with

48:56

a group of people, and we're going

48:58

to facilitate that. Yeah, I can't wait.

49:00

And you know, we've had like a

49:02

little online tea, sorry that's already coming

49:05

gone, but we will, we might do

49:07

something else like that. But there's just,

49:09

you know, we have a lot of

49:11

fun little things coming up in our

49:14

newsletter too. So you can sign up

49:16

for that at glad and golden.com. Yes.

49:18

Great. Yeah. And I'm Jennifer trafton.com. And

49:20

I'm on Instagram at J. Trafton Art.

49:23

So that is my Instagram handle. Well

49:25

thank you both for doing this. We

49:27

knew we didn't have enough time and

49:29

we made the time. We did. Yes,

49:32

yes. Because I know it will minister

49:34

and encourage many people and you'll probably

49:36

drip your cookie dough in it at

49:39

some point. I hope so. And your

49:41

children will come back and say do

49:43

you remember? is when when

49:45

mom made the care. So let me

49:48

just pray for me just

49:50

pray for Heavenly Father, I

49:52

I just thank you

49:54

for all the

49:57

precious ones who are

49:59

listening to this

50:01

and to this pray that

50:03

that would give them

50:06

a desire to

50:08

take the time to

50:10

express love and

50:12

gratitude and worship to

50:15

you and to

50:17

their precious ones the

50:19

the beauty that they

50:21

take time to

50:24

make and the moments

50:26

of that they take time

50:28

to they take time to enjoy because

50:30

of the ideas that they read and

50:32

glean in this book. of all I of all

50:34

I just pray that you would bless

50:37

them, encourage them, them give them a

50:39

sense of hope and love from the

50:41

wonderful message that we all are so

50:43

grateful to have here at the here at the

50:45

Advent the hope that Christ brings to

50:47

our lives. We give you

50:49

this time and give you our

50:51

lives in Jesus' and give Amen. and

50:54

you our lives in Thank you Sally. amen.

50:56

you for Sally. Thank you for coming. Bye everyone!

51:01

I hope you've enjoyed our time together

51:03

today and that you'll join me next

51:05

week. Be sure to

51:07

look for more inspiration on

51:10

my blog at sallyclarkson.com. Thanks

51:13

for joining

51:15

me. Bye

51:18

week. Be sure to

51:21

look for more inspiration

51:23

on my blog at

51:26

sallyclarkson.com. Thanks for joining

51:29

me. Bye-bye.