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Hi everyone, welcome to

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At Home with Sally. I'm

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Sally Clarkson and I have

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the biggest privilege in the

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world to be with so

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many friends from all over

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the world who join me

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every week to listen to

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my stories, inspiration, biblical encouragement,

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and I am just so

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glad that you're here today.

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Thanks so much for joining

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me. Hello,

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my friends. How are you today?

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Today is really fun for me.

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It's always fun when I get

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to be with my children online.

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And a lot of people have

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been writing me and asking me

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two things. One is, how can

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I get my children involved in...

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The movies and television and everything

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that's online like your son did.

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Well, you have to follow your

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own course there. Good luck. No,

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I really look back and feel

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like we could tell from the

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time Nathan was seven years old.

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He was giving this little speech

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kind of on the side because

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it was really a class for

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my older children. And he was

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so engaged in Audie Murphy. And

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several adults came to me at

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the end of the time and

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said, oh my goodness, your son

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is going to be an actor when

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he grows up, when he was seven

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years old. And so the other question

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that I often get is how do

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you know what to watch, how to

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look at media, what to give to

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your children at what age, because there

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are many parameters that are thrown out

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there loosely in the world. So I

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thought I would ask my... relative expert,

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Nathan Clarkson, since he is involved in

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this whole area, just to have a

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chat with me online today about what

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is okay, what is acceptable. role

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should media play in your lives

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today? So hi Nathan. Hi, good to

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be here. Nathan is where. Tell us

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where you are, Nathan. I am currently

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in New York City. You're

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in the Big Apple. And you're

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making it in the Big Apple.

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You're making it in the Big Apple.

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You can kill you both. Which is

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really fun for me. So Nathan, you've

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been involved in acting

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and filmmaking. and in Hollywood

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for how many years, many years

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now. Oh man, you're going to show how

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old I am and get an old mom

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if you can believe it, but I've been

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doing it for about 15 years. Oh

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my goodness, okay. And you're making it

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and I'm just so proud of what

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you and Kelia do. But why did

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you decide to spend your whole life

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making movies in acting and

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telling stories? Well like you mentioned

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I have loved stories since I was

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a young kid I I loved movies

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I loved books of picture books I

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loved everything that had to do with

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stories you know plain pretend was just

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my everyday pastime and desire as

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a kid I can't even count the

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hours outside just plain pretend imagine myself

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as a hero part of a grand

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tale and all those you know.

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childhood desires I found kind of

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carried into my adulthood and that's

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when I really begin investigating stories

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and seeing just how powerful and

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meaningful stories are. You know that's

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something I put a lot of

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study into in the in the

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past years of my life is

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I is looking at how stories

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shape us and how stories inform

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us and how stories articulate and

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define reality for us and you

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know even look at how God

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shares his truth in the word

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of God it's it's told through

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a story you know Genesis begins

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with in the beginning and then

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you see Jesus and Jesus on

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his ministry on earth how did

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he share his truth he told

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it through parables so God created

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us to be story oriented creatures

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for us and that's how we create us

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to be. And so if I wanted to

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make an effect in the world, I wanted

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to be a part of telling stories that

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could do that telling good and beautiful and

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true stories that might help shape the world

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in a way that's towards God and towards

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truth and towards beauty. And so I've always

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loved stories and I just found that film

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and TV were the way that we told

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stories today. And there's so many statistics on

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that, but we've told stories for all of

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human history, but film and TV. are the

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ways that we tell stories today. And

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so if I was going to be

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involved in telling the stories that had

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an effect on culture on this world,

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then that was going to be in

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movies and TV. And so that's what

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I ended up doing. And aside from

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all those grander missions of how important

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stories are and telling good stories, I

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also just like it. I always love

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playing pretend and now I get to

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get paid to play pretend. And so

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yeah, that's why I went into the

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world of movies and television. Well, I

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love that answer and you know

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it hits my heart because I

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raised you in my home education

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philosophy by exposing you to who

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I thought were the best writers,

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the best stories, the best musicians,

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the best everything imaginative that would

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fill your little heart and mind.

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And then I would give you

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all after I would read to

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you every morning, literally thousands of

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books, then I would send you outside

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to the stories that you had

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just. read about. But not only

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that you fashioned us with armor

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and costumes and and wooden swords

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and you gave us all the

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necessary tools to make the world

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our imaginary world alive. I did. I

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went to all the charity shows. Your

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fault. I'm an actor. That's really really

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well and I'm proud of you so it

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worked out kind of well and I'm glad

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that you are where you are. But one

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of the things I wanted to just expose

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all of our listeners to, is that

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because we're in such a mediogenic

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world, so to speak, I think sometimes

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it's easy to to cloud our

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minds with what is acceptable and

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what isn't acceptable to shape our

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children's stories with because some stories

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are great and some stories are

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not great. And even when I

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look back on you children and

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I've done a lot of study

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on children's brains this year and

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children have a developmental phase where

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everything is true to them from

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zero to three or four years

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old. And so you have to

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be very careful as you're shaping

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their sense of virtue, their sense

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of morals, their sense of self,

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of marriage, of life, of beauty,

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of all these different things. They

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are taking it in from the

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moment they're babies until the

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first few years of life.

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So they're very sensitive. I

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remember I made the mistake

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of showing Bambi, which doesn't

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seem, it seems innocuous enough,

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but I showed Bambi to

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Sarah and she cried for

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two hours. You know, I

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didn't realize children are very

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sensitive. They're developing their sense

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of goodness, their sense of

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self. So when they're very

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little, You need to give

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them the highest quality of good

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things. I know I was even

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picky about, you know, me being

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picky, or maybe Nigelistic, we'll call

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it, when they had really kind

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of violent cartoons. I kind of

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tried to find cartoons that

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were beautiful, that had good characters

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and that had wonderful stories. And

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so there were a lot of

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things like that that even I

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wanted to be careful to shape

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your lives on because you can

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kind of tell as children develop

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what kinds of things they should

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be exposed to. But anyway, I'm

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going to leave that for a

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moment. But I want you to

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tell us the statistic that you

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shared with me that shocked me.

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about how much people consume media

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today because I think it's so

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important for us to control everything.

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that goes into our minds that says,

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guard your heart, for from it, flow

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the springs of life, heart and mind

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are equivalent words in some of the

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Hebrew language. And so we're supposed to

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guard our hearts. We're supposed to, whatever

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is true, honest, right, pure, lovely. Think

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on those things. We're supposed to worship

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God with our minds. So we need

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to be careful in how we're spending

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our time and be aware of how

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we're spending in time. This statistic is

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really revealing to me. Yeah, so you're exactly

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right and as I mentioned stories,

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we kind of intrinsically know that

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they're powerful right. But so often

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right now many of us just

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kind of consume media TV movies

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without thinking it's just an everyday

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part of our lives that we

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don't think about to the effect

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of the statistics that I shared

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with you is it really kind

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of. It was eye-opening for me.

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We had a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist on my

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podcast, The Over Thinkers, a while

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ago, Walt Hickey, and he was

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talking about the statistic that on average

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Americans consume 10. hours of media a

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day. Now that's distributed across a lot

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of different mediums, but 10 hours of

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media a day and it's in between

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four and six hours of that is

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television and movies. And what he was

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talking about in our conversation on the

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podcast was, you know, most of us

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do this very unthinkingly. We just kind

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of turned something on, we flip around,

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we watch something, we don't really think

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about it, but in his book, that's

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called you are what you watch, he

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details all of these studies that actually when

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we spend 10 hours a day doing anything.

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It's going to, if you spent 10 hours

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a day working out, it's going to change

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your body. And so 10 hours of day,

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at least four to six hours of those

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watching film and TV is going to change

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your mind and your heart. And there's a

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lot of studies and statistics and data that

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shows this actually does not just children, but

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adults too. Yes, your kids, absolutely. They're even

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more malleable, their minds, but you too, it's

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going to change how you see the world

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and how you see the world and how

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you understand. and reality and even more

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than that it can change it can

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change you physiologically neurologically it's really amazing

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when you spend 10 hours a day

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doing anything it's gonna change you and

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so exactly what you said yes stories

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are powerful and anything powerful can be

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used for good but can also be

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used for bad. And so so many

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of us, both with our kids and

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with ourselves, we kind of consume unthinkingly.

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We consume film and television unthinkingly. And

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that's something we need to be really

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aware of because the things that we

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watch and the stories that we engage

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with will change how we see things, how

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we see other people, how we see God,

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how we see morality. And so it's really

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the value of human beings. Absolutely. really

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important that we think deeply about what we

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are consuming for that much time every single

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day because again stories are powerful and that's

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a good thing but they can also any

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powerful thing can be used for ill as

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well and so this is a really really

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important thing to me and why I want

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to be a part of telling good and

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true stories but yeah this is a this

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is a thing to think about for both

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ourselves and for our families. Well, one thing

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that I learned many years ago when I was

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kind of studying all of this is that there

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is no neutral worldview. In other

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words, every single story, every

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single sitcom, every single movie,

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television show is coming at

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us with a message that they were

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to tell us, that they want us

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to believe in, the value system that

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they have adopted, that they think is

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acceptable. And the other thing I want

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to think, I don't want to pour

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any guilt on anyone, including me, but

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does anybody spend 10 hours a day

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reading the word of God? Well, I

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do. You know, a lot of times

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I do. I get up in the

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morning and start reading the Bible and

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don't stop until dinner. So I don't

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know what you know. It's really

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something we're thinking about because let's

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just say that every single movie

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cartoon, all these different things

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have a worldview, have a

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system of values. Whatever you're

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sewing, you're reaping. your planting

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is going to grow. And I

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think that it's so easy. I've seen

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so many children, and I

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hope I'm not stepping in

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people's toes, but overuse iPads

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or telephones. They just want

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their kids to be quiet, so

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they just send them a little

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machine. And everything on that iPad

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is implanting messages in the

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kids' brain and heart. everything

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or keeping them from thinking more

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deep thoughts more profound thoughts more

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keeping them from being creative

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keeping them from writing a story

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drawing a picture making up

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a song pretending and you know

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outside is it harder for

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me and was it harder for

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all adults to do something useful. Like

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if you say to yourself, I'm going

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to read for an hour every night

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before I watch something on television, then

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yes, it's harder. I'm going to

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be sure that I'm going to play

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a game with my children. I'm going

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to go on a walk outside. I'm

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going to do whatever because... Media is

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not neutral in the way that it

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affects us. Everything that goes in has

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an impact on the brain patterns, the

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brain roadways that are in our minds.

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And even the way that they do

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it, like I was very careful

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in books and in pictures that I

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showed you all. to try to pick what

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was beautiful and true and could

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inspire you because there are a

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lot of just terrible looking like

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I said cartoons or or things

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like that everything that you're putting

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in your mind is developing an

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appetite. I have another thing to add

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to this that I think you're so right

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because we a lot of times get caught

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up on you know things that are obviously

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bad. right, violence or whatever it might be

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explicit things. But you know, something that was

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important to you and dad that I still

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remember and you put in your book Educating

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the Hard Child that's really important is, you

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know, we kind of sometimes often focus so

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much on the quote bad things. And we

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shouldn't want those. Yes, of course, particularly for

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children who's mine. are incredibly malleable. But

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also, you said we also need

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to be looking at and engaging

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with excellent things. Might not be

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necessarily morally evil, but is it

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excellent? Is it beautiful? Good. And

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I remember this whole. thing that

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you and dad had, which is

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around appetites. And so often we

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get so caught up in just

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moral aspect, which is important. But

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there's also another aspect, which is

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the excellence aspect. And it's going,

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are you exposing yourself and your

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kids and the things you're watching and

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the things that you're engaging with to

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beautiful things, to good things, to quality

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stories, to deep things that cause you

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to think more deeply, that cause you

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to act more courage. constantly, we weren't

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deprived of art or creativity as kids.

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And we're both here to say movies

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and stories are good, but there is

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an aspect you have to ask and

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say, are the ones of the stories

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I'm engaging with, good ones, not just

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morally good, but also high quality. And

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you and dad had a high standard for

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what kind of things you would let go

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into your very malleable kids' minds

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so that the appetites they were forming

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around art and stories and media and

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movies and music. They would be

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ones that didn't just

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reflect us morally, which is

15:16

an important start, but also reflected

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God's quality and beauty and... in

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that aspect. And so I remember

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you taking us to art museums

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and symphonies. I remember the movies

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we watched would be ones that

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were filmed beautifully and acted well.

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They weren't twaddle. They weren't low

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quality. And so that's another aspect

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too is really focused not just

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on the morality, but also the

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quality of what is going in

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your children's hearts. Is it beautiful?

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Is it of high craftsmanship and done

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well? I think that's another important aspect

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of the conversation. Oh, I so do.

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We've all heard the phrase, you are

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what you eat. Now all of us

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know that every once in a while

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you can have a fast... food meal

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like a yes no whether it's a

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I don't want to be legalist about

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this absolutely no I'm not talking about evil

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in time I'm talking about beauty right now

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yeah in the sense of If you ate

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fast food every single meal, it

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would have a total effect on

16:15

your body. It would corrupt your

16:17

body. It would make you more

16:19

open to cancer. It would cause

16:22

you to gain unnecessary calories. It

16:24

would clog your arteries. In other

16:26

words, yes, there are going to

16:28

be some silly or, you know,

16:31

just some things along the way,

16:33

some movies, some cartoon... hamburgers

16:35

and french fries movies and

16:37

cartoons. Yeah, but if that was

16:39

all your appetite was, I often get

16:42

the question. They say Nathan's making movies,

16:44

he's living in New York, he's a writer

16:46

of books, all your other children seem

16:48

to be people of words and

16:50

messages and and and and what

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curriculum did you use? And I

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think we did whatever is true,

16:56

honest right, lovely, beautiful. And then

16:58

we would sit at the dinner

17:00

table at night and every single

17:02

night was a big discussion at

17:04

our house. We talked, what did

17:06

you think of that? Who did

17:08

you like as the hero? And

17:10

we taught you that because you

17:12

were made in the image of

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God, you had incredible capacity for

17:16

recreating beauty, for putting out stories

17:19

in light and goodness in the

17:21

world. And we gave you an

17:24

imagination that you were called by

17:26

God made in his image to

17:28

exhibit excellence and beauty in your

17:31

worlds in whatever God chose for

17:33

you to do or whatever you

17:35

decided that you wanted to do for

17:37

your work. And I love that you said

17:40

that because you have to see a lot

17:42

of the waste of 10 hours

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as something that isn't beautiful, that

17:46

isn't the best, that isn't excellent.

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It's just fast food. And if

17:50

all you eat is fast food

17:52

for your brain, your brain will

17:54

become fast food. Yeah. Well, and here's

17:56

the thing too. And I know this as

17:58

I've been a kid. and I've been

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around kids. kids are going to naturally

18:03

want McDonald's. If you give them a

18:05

choice between broccoli and baked chicken, which

18:07

is good for them, or a happy

18:10

meal with french fries and a burger,

18:12

they're going to choose the burger a

18:14

thousand times. So, you know, this will

18:16

always be fun when you're trying to

18:19

invest in your children's hearts. But they

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will thank you one day. And again,

18:23

as you said, mom, a burger and

18:25

fries is sometimes fun. And that's okay.

18:28

You know, we're not legalist about it,

18:30

but there. them one and you give

18:32

them healthy food to grow on and

18:35

so their bodies grow up well and

18:37

strong and they're also going to thank

18:39

you that you gave them a healthy

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artistic and message-driven and aesthetic food to

18:44

grow up until their minds grow up

18:46

healthy and strong and so that's something

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to really consider is both that the

18:51

two parts what messages are these movies

18:53

and television reflecting do they reflect what

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God says do they reflect his goodness

18:58

and I'll say this really quickly as

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a side note, you know, I

19:02

think the rating system, sometimes we

19:04

kind of rely on that too

19:07

much if something's G okay and

19:09

something's arts, it's not okay. And

19:11

to be honest, there are some

19:13

R-rated movies that are more Christian

19:15

and more beautiful and good, and

19:17

there's some G-rated movies that are

19:19

more beautiful and good, and there's

19:21

some G-rated movies that I won't

19:23

even watch because the messages are

19:25

so off. And is it quality

19:27

and beautiful and high? Those are

19:29

things that I really would encourage every

19:31

parent to think about for their kids

19:34

and every person to think about for

19:36

themselves as they're engaging with media TV

19:38

and movies on such a high regular

19:40

basis. Well, and I think that we curated

19:42

a lot of things. It takes time to

19:44

curate things because- That's a good word. Yeah,

19:46

I think that we try to say have as many

19:49

yeses in your life as possible. In other

19:51

words, we didn't say, oh, these things

19:53

are so immoral and impure, and no,

19:55

you may not do it. We tried

19:57

to say, do you realize how many

19:59

amazing things? there are out there.

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I even remember when we went

20:03

in here in Colorado Springs,

20:05

the original troop, and we

20:07

had so much fun talking about

20:10

it. We were all greatly

20:12

impacted by it. And we still

20:14

from the songs at home when we're all

20:16

there. Yeah, we do. And so it's

20:18

not a matter of being legalistic.

20:20

It's a matter. of being

20:22

creative and of being dynamic and

20:24

of engaging and taking the time

20:26

to have those great stories in

20:28

movies. Well, sometime we'll have to have you

20:30

on sometime to tell us what are

20:32

your five favorite movies or what should

20:35

we be watching or whatever. That's dangerous

20:37

territory because someone might like something. But

20:39

I will say just off of that

20:41

when you develop your appetites and help

20:43

develop your kids appetites, you'll find that

20:45

it's that all of a sudden that

20:48

your kids and you actually start craving

20:50

more beautiful more true more good things

20:52

naturally it might be difficult at the

20:54

beginning if you're you know if you

20:56

know if you've only ever been used

20:58

to McDonald's food as far as as

21:01

as far as entertainment and TV and

21:03

art and film you might it might

21:05

be kind of a detox where you

21:08

have to start training your appetite for

21:10

something new but can you continue down

21:12

that path of really being intentional about

21:15

what you're watching and engaging with and

21:17

listening to all of a sudden you'll

21:19

find that you will actually start craving

21:21

good and beautiful and true things and

21:24

that the kind of more shallower or

21:26

less beautiful, less true things won't actually

21:28

appeal to you as much anymore. And

21:31

I didn't explain you even as much.

21:33

Absolutely. It's so true. And I

21:35

just I just love that we're talking about

21:37

this. I think that all of the things

21:39

that we want to believe in our

21:41

lives, we need to have stories that

21:43

that show us those beliefs. You know, we

21:45

need to see movies that have

21:48

a great marriage relationship. We need

21:50

to see movies where the parents

21:52

love their children. We need to

21:54

see movies. So Nathan, you've got

21:57

a lot of movies you've got

21:59

to make. understanding that what you

22:01

say you'll reap. And so thank

22:03

you so much for giving me

22:05

your time today for coming on

22:07

this little podcast. I just thought

22:10

there needed to be something

22:12

said about the fact that God has

22:14

entrusted us with his time. He knew

22:16

that we were going to be the

22:18

generation of people who would live in

22:20

a place where all of our lives

22:22

that we're going to be exposed to

22:25

media every day. And yet it's one

22:27

more area where we can subdue, where

22:29

we can bring beauty to chaos, where

22:31

we can bring just harmony and

22:33

goodness. And I think it's a

22:35

worthy profession. And I hope that

22:37

you're able to make many great

22:39

movies or be in many great

22:41

movies in your lifetime. I think

22:43

that'll be great. Any last things

22:45

you want to say as you

22:48

leave and also tell everybody where

22:50

they can find you because I

22:52

absolutely love your overthinkers and I

22:54

was even talking with it with

22:56

two leaders last night that these

22:58

were men who have this

23:00

profound ministry with different people

23:02

and they were looking up your

23:04

podcast. I have fun. So I just

23:07

love it. So anyway tell people where

23:09

they can find you. Yeah, you can

23:11

find me at Nathan Clarkson dot

23:13

me. You can find me on

23:15

any of the socials to search my

23:17

name. Nathan Clarkson, I have lots of

23:20

movies out there. Some for adults, some

23:22

for kids, some for families, but all

23:24

of them I really have put a

23:26

lot of effort in trying to reflect

23:28

truth and goodness and beauty with the

23:31

fish and loves that God has given

23:33

me. So I hope you'll engage with

23:35

me. I love hearing from people and

23:37

also you can listen to my podcast

23:39

called The Over Thinkers, where every week

23:42

we ask some big question and have

23:44

an expert on and talk to them

23:46

about it. So I head on over

23:48

there we love having new people, listen

23:50

along for fun. discussions and stuff we

23:52

think we recently had a book come

23:54

out called Uniquely You, which is a

23:56

continuation of our story into loving unique

23:59

kids and all. the different ways they

24:01

can be created. So yeah, that's how

24:03

to find me. Get a copy of

24:05

Uniquely You. And I was going to

24:07

say Mom, can they find you? But

24:09

I guess I already found you. So,

24:11

uh, well, and I do. I just,

24:14

I got two letters about Uniquely You

24:16

just this morning, so I'm glad you

24:18

mentioned it. And anyway, Nathan, pray

24:20

a blessing on all the people who

24:22

are listening to us today. And thank

24:24

you again so much for being here.

24:27

God, thank you so much that

24:29

you are a beautiful God of

24:31

stories and art and expression and

24:33

goodness and heroism and inspiration. We

24:35

love that the first thing we

24:37

saw you do in Genesis was

24:39

create. You are a creative God

24:41

and that's so amazing and beautiful

24:43

and we want to act in

24:45

likeness to you and create beautiful

24:47

good and true things that breathe

24:49

life into people. I pray that

24:51

you would give us all wisdom

24:53

both as we are deciphering what's

24:55

good for ourselves. and for our

24:57

families and for our children about what

24:59

kind of things what kind of stories

25:02

we should be putting into our souls

25:04

and minds guide us into the things

25:06

that will lift us up and draw

25:08

us closer to you and reflect who

25:10

you are and the goodness that you

25:12

have put into the world. I pray

25:14

that you give us wisdom and guidance

25:16

on how to do that for ourselves

25:18

and our families and we thank you

25:20

that you that you are someone who

25:22

loves us and loves beauty and loves

25:24

all the wonderful things. that we

25:27

get to experience in this world

25:29

from you. We love you

25:31

and yeah, in your name, amen.

25:33

Amen. All right, my friends,

25:36

have a wonderful day and

25:38

thanks a lot, Nathan. Bye-bye.

25:40

I hope you've enjoyed our

25:42

time together today and that

25:45

you'll join me next week.

25:47

Be sure to look for

25:49

more inspiration on my blog

25:51

at Sally clarkson.com. Thanks

25:53

for joining me. Bye-bye.

26:01

Thank you.