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right, welcome to your Atomic Habits
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cheat sheet. Yeah. Basically, you're like
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shortcut to understanding and applying the
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powerful ideas from James Clear's book.
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Oh, yeah. You're joining us for
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season one of Atomic Habits for
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Beginners. Okay. And this is episode
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10. Cool. We're diving deep into
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how to get rid of bad
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habits by understanding their causes. Right.
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And you know, we all want
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to gain knowledge quickly and effectively,
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right? Absolutely. So today, let's unpack
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why bad habits stick and how
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to like dismantle them. Okay.
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So for this episode, we
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have an excerpt focusing on
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this. It's from s1e10 .pdf.
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Basically our mission today is to extract
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the most important insights to help you
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understand how bad habits form and then how
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to shake them. So to
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kick things off, this excerpt dies
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right into a story about a
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guy named Mike in Istanbul back
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in 2012. Right. And it's really
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interesting because it highlights how a
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significant change can happen unexpectedly. Right,
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like you don't expect it and then boom it hits
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you. Exactly, and in this case it was
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through a book. Through a book. Yeah, Alan
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Carr's easy way to stop
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smoking. Okay, I've heard of that one.
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Yeah, so Mike, this
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tour guide who was a smoker,
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read this book and it completely changed
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his perspective on smoking. And like,
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what was it about the book that did that? Well,
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Mike said it was like the book
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took away the mental burden of smoking.
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Oh, interesting. It wasn't about like white
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knuckling it or anything. It was about
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like fundamentally shifting how he thought about
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the habit. So it wasn't willpower. It was
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more like a change of mindset. Exactly. Yeah.
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Yeah. So the book kind of
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challenged those deep -seated beliefs that smokers
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have. Right. That sense of I
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need this, or I enjoy this, or, you
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know. It was a part of me. Yeah, and
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it basically asks smokers to
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reconsider their entire relationship with
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cigarettes. Huh. So how'd the book do
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that? Oh, it had some pretty direct reframing
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techniques. Like, for example, it just says
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straight up like, you think you're quitting something,
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but you're not quitting anything because cigarettes
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do nothing for you. Wow, that's bold.
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Right. So it's just like
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calling out those justifications that smokers
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use, right? Yeah, and it tackles them
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head on. Makes you face the truth. Yeah,
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like it says smoking isn't actually social. Oh,
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interesting. You know, you can be social
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without it. And that smoking doesn't relieve stress.
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In fact, it actually makes it worse in
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the long run. So it debunks
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those myths. Yeah. And the
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whole message of the book is so powerful. It's
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like, you're not losing anything
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by not smoking. And you're
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actually gaining so much. what
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kind of things like your health energy
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levels finances you know yeah confidence
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freedom and even like how
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long and how well you live
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wow when you put it like Smoking
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doesn't sound very appealing at all. Yeah, it
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starts to seem pretty illogical. It does. So
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basically the book's strategy is to make
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smoking unattractive in the smoker's mind. Okay.
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And that's actually what James Clear calls
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the inversion of the second law of
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behavior change. Right, you gotta make it
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unattractive. Yeah, so if you really
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believe that you're gaining everything
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and losing nothing by not smoking,
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then that urge to light up
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just loses its power. makes
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sense. So we've seen how making
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a bad habit unattractive can work,
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but... Let's get into like why
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those habits become attractive to us
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in the first place. Okay. Yeah.
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And the excerpt talks about this
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idea of surface level cravings versus
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deeper underlying motives. So like
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what we think we want
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versus what's really driving us. Exactly.
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So even simple cravings like wanting
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a taco. Okay. You know, they're actually
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rooted in like our basic human
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needs. Right. Like needing food to survive. Yeah.
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You might be craving the taste of
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that taco, but ultimately it's connected to
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that bite. biological need to eat. So
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it's kind of like the taco creating is just
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the surface. And underneath there's
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all these deeper primal drives. Yeah, like
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hidden forces. Right. And the excerpt
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lists a bunch of these underlying motives
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that shape our behavior. Like what kind
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of things? Well, there's the need to conserve
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energy. Yes, of course. The drive
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to find love and reproduce
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the desire to connect
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with others, to win social
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approval, to reduce uncertainty.
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Makes sense. And to achieve
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static. and prestige yeah like
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those core human desires yeah and
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these have been driving our actions for
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ages since like the dawn of time right
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and this is where like habit
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-forming products and behaviors come in
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they're not like inventing new
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desires right they're just tapping into
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these existing powerful motives like they're
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hijacking our brains yeah in a
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way so for example like the
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desire to find love
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and reproduce. Okay. Leads people
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to use apps like Tinder. Yeah.
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And the need to connect with
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others makes us browse Facebook for
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hours. Makes sense. And then the
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desire for social approval. Yeah. Influences
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what we post on Instagram. Totally.
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And then needing to reduce uncertainty
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makes us search Google constantly. I
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do that all the time. And wanting status and
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prestige might even drive people to play video
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games. Wow. So like our modern habits
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are just new ways of satisfying those same
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old desires. Exactly. specific technologies
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or behaviors might change. But
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those core human motivations, they
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stay pretty constant. They're timeless.
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Yeah. And here's an important
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point. Okay. For any given
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underlying motive, there are
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many ways to address it. Why? So
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for example, if someone copes with
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stress by smoking, someone else
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might find relief by running
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or meditating. Right. So
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smoking isn't the only solution to
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stress. It's just one way to deal
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with it. Exactly. Yeah. It's just the
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method that person has learned
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and associated with relief. So it's
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about the associations we make. Yeah.
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And that brings us to the role.
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of associations and predictions in our
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habits. Our brains are constantly
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taking in cues from our environment
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and making predictions about what will
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happen next based on our past
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experiences. It's like our brain is always trying to
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guess what's coming. Yeah, it's super efficient. guess
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that makes sense for survival. Yeah, like imagine
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touching a hot stove. Right?
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You see the hot stove, you predict pain
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and you avoid touching it. And it's
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not just about the facts. You know, it's
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about how we interpret them. So our
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perception matters. Yeah, like the
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same cue can trigger different behaviors and
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different people. That's interesting. Based on
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their own predictions. So for example, if someone sees
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a cigarette, a smoker
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might crave it. Yeah. But someone
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who's never smoked might feel. Disgusted
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makes sense different associations. Yeah,
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so the real cause of our habits
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Yeah is not the cue itself, but
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the prediction we make about it So
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is what we think will happen, right? And
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these predictions lead to
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feelings, okay, which we experience
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as like that feeling of
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wanting something Yeah, it's that sense that
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something's missing a desire to
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change how we feel interesting so
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a craving isn't about the thing
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itself, you know, whether it's a
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chip, a cigarette, like on social
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media. It's about the feeling. Yeah,
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it's the desire to feel differently. That
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makes a lot of sense. And there's this
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neuroscientist Antonio DeMasio. Oh yeah, I've
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heard of him. He says emotions are crucial
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to how we make decisions. Like our
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feelings guide our choices. Exactly. They're
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like an internal compass telling us what's
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good, bad or neutral. Wow.
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So powerful. So our
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feelings really drive our behavior,
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especially our habits. Yeah, that
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makes sense. So to sum it
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up, cravings and bad habits are often
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just us trying to address these. basic
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human motives. Those deep desires.
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Yeah, and when a habit works for
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us, we learn to predict that
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it will give us that good feeling.
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Okay, so we crave it more. Right, but
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here's the cool part. What's that?
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We can actually rewire our brains
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to enjoy good habits. Even if they
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seem hard. Yeah, and it starts with a
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shift in mindset. Interesting. So instead of saying,
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I have to wake up early, you
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can say, I get to wake up early. I like that.
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And then list the benefits you know
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like I get to have extra time
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for myself or I get to go
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for a run or whatever. It's like
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changing your perspective. Yeah and the excerpt
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makes a good point both perspectives are
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true. Right you might have to but
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you also get to. Exactly it's about
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choosing how you want to see it.
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like focusing on the positive. Yeah, and
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there's this great anecdote about a person
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in a wheelchair who reframed their confinement
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as liberation. Wow, that's powerful. Right, it
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really shows how much our perspective matters.
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It does. And the excerpt gives us
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some practical ways to reframe habits. Okay,
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like what? Well, instead of I
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need to run, you can say, this
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is my time to build endurance
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and get faster. I like that. And
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saving money can go from feeling
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like a sacrifice to being about future
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freedom. Great things. And even meditation
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can be reframed. Okay, how about that?
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Instead of getting frustrated by distractions.
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Yeah, those are the worst. You can
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see them as opportunities to practice
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returning to your breath. Oh, interesting. And
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those pre -game jitters? Gary Ack, I
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get those. You can reframe them
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as excitement and adrenaline to help you
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perform. So you're using those nerves
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to your advantage? Exactly. And all these
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shifts in mindset change the feelings
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we associate with our habits. It's like
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changing the emotional channel. Yeah. And
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the excerpt also talks about creating
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a motivation ritual. What's that? It's basically
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linking a habit you want to
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build with something you already enjoy. Oh,
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so like pairing them together. Exactly.
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So for example, if you have a
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song that puts you in a
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good mood, you can play it before
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doing a new habit you want
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to build. So your brain links the
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song with a good feeling. Right.
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And eventually the song becomes a cue
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to get you started. Cool. There's
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also this guy, Ed Latimore, who used
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to put on headphones to focus
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even without music. Really? Yeah, he had
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associated the headphones with focused work
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he enjoyed and eventually just putting them
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on became a trigger to get
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into that focused state. That's fascinating. And
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it's similar to pregame rituals in
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sports. Oh yeah, like athletes do those
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all the time. it's not
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just about the physical warm -up. It's mental
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too. Yeah, it's about getting in the
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right headspace. So we can use those
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same principles. to like
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improve our happiness. Absolutely. You can
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create a short routine before
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something you enjoy. Okay. Like taking
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deep breaths and smiling before
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petting your dog. And that routine
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can become a cue for
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feeling happy. I like that. So
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the big takeaway here is
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that reframing our associations with bad
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habits is key to breaking
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them. By changing how our brain
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predicts and feels about those habits, we
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can make them less attractive. And make
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good habits more appealing. Yeah, and it
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all comes back to that second law
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of behavior change, make it unattractive. So
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we need to understand those underlying
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motives, recognize that our habits are
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just one way to satisfy those
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desires, and then acknowledge that our
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brains are predicting and associating things
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all the time. And then work
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to associate bad habits with bad
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feelings. Exactly. And the
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excerpt briefly mentions the first strategy
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for breaking bad habits, which is
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the inversion of the first law,
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make it invisible. We'll dive deeper
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into that in a future episode,
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but basically it's about reducing exposure
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to those cues that trigger our
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bad habits. Makes sense out of
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sight, out of mind. Right. So
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by understanding these underlying causes and
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making bad habits unattractive, we can
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set ourselves up for success. It's
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like laying the foundation. Yeah, so
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hopefully this deep dive has given
11:27
you some valuable insights. I
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think so. Remember, understanding those underlying
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desires and reframing your perspective are
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key. And agree more. and for
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a printable version of this Atomic
11:38
Habits cheat sheet. And to support
11:40
our work, visit themessypodcast.com. Cool. You
11:42
can also find all the books
11:44
we've covered in season one of
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Atomic Habits for Beginners. Awesome. So
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here's a final thought for you.
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Okay. What's one bad habit you
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want to break? And what deeper
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desire might it be fulfilling? And
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how could you reframe that habit to
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make it less attractive. Good question. This
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is just the beginning of your journey to
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building better habits. To better habits.
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