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right, so welcome to your like atomic
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habits cheat sheet. It's your
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shortcut, you know, to understanding and
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really applying these core concepts of
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habit formation. And
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of course, you've joined us for season one
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of the deep dive, which we're calling atomic
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habits for beginners. That's right.
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And today we're diving deep, no
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pun intended, into episode three, four
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easy steps to habit formation. Love
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it. Our mission is to unpack
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that fundamental framework, you know, how
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habits actually work. We're drawing from
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some seriously insightful research and explanations
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so you can just like immediately
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grasp these essentials. Absolutely. And
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to really get down to that bedrock of
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how habits form, we can
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look I mean, all the way
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back to 1898 to the work of
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psychologist Edward Thorndike. He had this really
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fascinating experiment using cats and puzzle
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boxes. And while it sounds
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maybe kind of simple on the surface,
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it actually reveals these fundamental principles about
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how we learn and repeat behaviors, which
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is really the essence of habit formation.
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OK, so puzzle boxes, cats. Paint
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me a picture. What was actually happening here? So
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Thorndike, he placed these cats individually
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inside these boxes. and
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the only way for them to
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escape to get a reward, which was
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usually a little bit of food, was
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to perform this very specific, simple
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action. It could be anything from pulling
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a cord to pressing a lever, even
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just stepping on a little platform. Imagine
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yourself as the cat, trapped in
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this unfilial space, this smell of
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food, wafting in just out
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of reach. Right, so you're just gonna like...
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anything to get out. Yeah, exactly. Initially,
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the cats would like, thrash around, they'd
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be scratching, biting, pushing, just,
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you know, engaging in these random movements. And
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it was through this process of trial and
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error that they would eventually, and this was
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like quite by accident, stumble upon the solution.
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So like, a cat might just brush against
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the lever, click, the door opens, food. Right.
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So it's like an accidental discovery at first,
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but what happened next? Like, did they just
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keep randomly bumping into the escape mechanism? Not
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at all. Thorndike, he was very
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meticulous. And he recorded how long
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it took each cat to escape
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over multiple attempts. Okay. What he
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observed was this clear and consistent
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pattern. Okay. With each successful escape,
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followed by the reward, the
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cats got faster and faster at performing
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that necessary action. They were learning. Okay.
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So, I mean, they were getting good. Like,
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this wasn't just luck anymore. They were figuring
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it out. Exactly. Exactly. It was this cause
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and effect this action leads to reward. Right.
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And they were repeating that action more efficiently.
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You know, I actually have a specific example
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on my notes. There's a cat. They
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called Cat 12. Okay. Yeah. What about Cat 12?
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A Cat 12 learning curve, I think, is a really
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good illustration of this. On its very first attempt, it
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took a full 160 seconds to figure out how to
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get out of the box. Wow. But look
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at the progression. 30 seconds,
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then 90, then 60. There
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was, you know, some variability. But overall,
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you see this clear downward trend.
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By the final few trials, CAT
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12 was consistently escaping in an
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average of just 6 .3 seconds.
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You know essentially it had learned
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the habit of performing that action to
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get free and get that food Yeah,
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I mean that's that's a massive improvement
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in time huge so from all these
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observations Thorndyke came up with what's known
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as the law of effect So essentially
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it states that behaviors followed by satisfying
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consequences tend to be repeated right whereas
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behaviors that lead to those unpleasant consequences
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They're less likely to be repeated. You
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know when you think about it with
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those cats pressing the lever led to
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a and food, that behavior just became
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stronger and stronger. Precisely. And, you
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know, while Thorndike was working with, you
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know, cats in these boxes, this principle,
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this law of effect, it gives us
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this really crucial starting point for understanding
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how habits take root in our own
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lives as humans. Right. And it starts
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to answer these really key questions for
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us, like, what
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is a habit? Right. And, you
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know, why does our brain even bother going through
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the process of building them in the first place?
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Right, because it's not like we just... you know,
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one day decide, I'm gonna automate this, you
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know? Exactly. Yeah. And it's a great
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point because let's go back to those
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cats in that initial puzzle box experience.
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Okay. It was a totally novel situation
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for them. Right. Their brains didn't have
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a ready -made solution to escape. So
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they had to, you know, explore. They had to
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go through trial and error. Right. And
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when we encounter
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new situations, our
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brains are similarly in overdrive.
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We're consciously analyzing what's happening.
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We're weighing different options making
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decisions. We're just absorbing tons
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of new information, right? And
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it's very It's a very
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neurologically demanding energy intensive process,
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right? Your brain is just like working over time
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trying to figure out like okay, what do I do here?
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Exactly, but every now and then
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you know, just like those cats accidentally hitting
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the lever, we stumble upon a solution that
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gives us a reward. Why? Okay, yeah.
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Maybe you're feeling really anxious and you
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discover, wow, going for a run really
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clears my head. Yeah. Or after a
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stressful work day, playing this particular video
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game, that helps me unwind. There's that,
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aha. moment that unexpected
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but positive outcome and then
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our brains are like wait hold on how do we
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get there I need to remember that exactly exactly your
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brain starts taking notes like okay what
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happened in the moments leading up to
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that reward it's forming that feedback loop
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okay you tried something it resulted in
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this outcome either good or bad you
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learn from that experience and you adjust
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your approach the next time right And
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when we encounter these similar problems, these
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stresses over and over again, our brains
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start to automate the process of finding
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that solution. Right. And that automation, that
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sequence of actions, we do it without
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even thinking about it. That's basically what
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a habit is. You know, the behavioral
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scientist, Jason Reha, he put it really
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well, he said, habits are simply reliable
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solutions to recurring problems in our environment.
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Yeah, I like that. So, so basically the
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brain's like, okay, this worked before, let's just
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make this our go to response. Yes.
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I want to think about it
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every time. Exactly, exactly. And as
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these habits become more ingrained, something
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really interesting happens in the brain.
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Okay. The level of neural activity
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actually decreases when we're performing the
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habit. Oh, interesting. Okay. So we
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learn to filter out all the
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irrelevant information and we just focus
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on those specific cues that predict
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success. Right. So you're getting more
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efficient as you go. Exactly. You're
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getting hyper efficient. Okay. So when
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a similar situation pops up in
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the future, we already have that
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mental rule. It's like an if
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this then that script. Okay. That
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we follow automatically. So instead of
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like consciously debating what to do
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when you feel that afternoon slump.
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Right. You just automatically reach for
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that cup of coffee and a
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choice that once requires you know,
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some effort now happens like effortlessly.
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A habit has formed. And your
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brain's like already three steps ahead. Totally,
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totally. Okay, so it's like
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our brains are constantly creating these
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little mental shortcuts. Yes. Just based
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on our experiences. Precisely. Habits
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are like mental shortcuts. Yeah. Learned from
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experience. You can almost think of a
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habit as like a stored memory. Okay.
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Of the most efficient steps to take
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to solve that problem. Right. Right.
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So we've encountered this before. We know what to do.
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And, you know, the
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primary reason that our brain is so good
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at remembering the past, it's to help us
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predict what will work in the future. And
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this is so valuable, this whole process, because
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our conscious mind is actually pretty limited in
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its capacity. We can only really focus on
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one thing at a time effectively. So
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our brains are constantly looking for
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ways to offload those routine tasks
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to the non -conscious mind, to
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just handle it automatically. That's the
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real power of habits, right? Right.
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It frees up our mental resources
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for more complex and essential tasks.
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Right. So it's not about being like
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robotic. It's actually like making your brain
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more efficient. Exactly. So you can like
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do bigger and better things. That's
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exactly. But this brings up a question that
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a lot of people have when they think
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about habits, right? Yeah. Does this restrict our
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freedom? Right. Like so much of our day
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is on autopilot. Doesn't that make life a
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bit, you know, dull or
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less continuous? That's such
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a great question. And the answer is, I
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mean, it's a resounding no. Habits,
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when you really understand them, they
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don't restrict freedom. They actually create
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it. Think about it
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this way. The individuals who haven't
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developed like good, helpful habits in
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key areas of their lives, they're
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actually the ones experiencing the least
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amount of freedom. Okay, so like, give me some
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examples. What do you mean? Okay, so
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consider financial habits. Okay. You know,
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without those good habits around budgeting,
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saving, managing money, you
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might find yourself like constantly stressed about
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finances. And that's going to limit your
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ability to, you know, pursue opportunities, even
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just handle unexpected expenses. Right. That's a
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lack of freedom. Or think
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about health habits. If you don't have
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those good habits around sleep, nutrition, exercise.
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You might constantly be feeling low energy.
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You might be dealing with health
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issues, which is severely restricting
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what you can do, what
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you can enjoy, and even
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learning habits without good routines
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for acquiring new knowledge, new
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skills, you might feel
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stuck, unable to adapt
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to new situations. So if you're
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constantly having to make these conscious
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decisions about these fundamental tasks, when
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to exercise, when to work, when
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to pay the bills, you
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have less Mental energy is tired. You're
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exhausted. Yeah and less time to dedicate
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to those things you really value, right?
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So by like automating the fundamentals Yeah,
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it frees us up to actually focus
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on the things that matter the things
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that we enjoy Precisely precisely. Yeah, you
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know when the basics are handled almost automatically,
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you know through those good habits, right? Your
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mind is liberated You can focus on new
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challenges be more creative You can
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engage in deeper thinking and ultimately
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you can experience more of what
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life has to offer Right. It's
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like building those habits now is an
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investment in your future freedom. Exactly. Okay.
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So we've established habits. They're a good
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thing. Yes. Our brains develop them for
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efficiency. Right. And they actually contribute to
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our freedom. Yeah. So now let's get to
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the core of what we're talking about. The
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four step process. Yes. Of how
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habits actually work. This is where
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things get really practical and I think
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incredibly empowering. You know, the
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formation of any habit, whether it's something
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you do every day without thinking or
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a more conscious routine you're trying to
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build, it follows this four step pattern.
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Cue, craving, response
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and reward. Okay. Think of it like
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the fundamental operating system for all of
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our habits. Got it. So cue.
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Craving response reward. Let's break each of those down.
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Okay. Yeah. Starting with the first one. Yeah. The
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cue. What is a cue when we talk about
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habits? So the cue is essentially the
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trigger. It prompts your brain
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to initiated behavior. It's a piece
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of information, and it can
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be internal or external. That signals the
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possibility of a reward. And
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if you think about it, if we go back
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to our evolutionary roots for a minute, our ancestors,
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they were constantly scanning their
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environment for cues that indicated
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essential rewards. Things
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like food, water, signs of safety.
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Survival. Yeah, exactly, survival.
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In our modern world, while those
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basic cues still exist, we're also
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responding to cues that predict secondary
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rewards, things like money. recognition
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from others, a boost in status,
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approval, love, friendship, or even like
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a feeling of personal satisfaction. So
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it's like our brain is saying like,
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hey, there might be something good here.
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Exactly. It's attention. Exactly. Our minds
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are constantly analyzing our internal state. Are we
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bored? Are we tired? Are we stressed? And
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our external environment. Where are we? What time is
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it? Who are we with? looking
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for those little hints that a reward
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might be within reach. And
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because the cue is that initial
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predictor of something positive, it
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naturally leads to the next step. The
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craving. Okay, so craving. Is
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that like more than just wanting something?
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It is. Craving is like the
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motivational engine behind every habit. Yeah.
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without that desire, without that craving
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for a change in your current
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state, there's no real reason to
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take action. But here's a really
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critical insight. What you're
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craving isn't actually the habit itself.
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It's the change in state that
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you anticipate that habit will deliver.
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Okay. So you don't crave the
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act of smoking, you crave the
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feeling of relaxation, the stress
12:46
release that you've associated with it. You're not necessarily
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motivated by brushing your teeth, you're motivated by the
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feeling of a clean mouth. Right, the outcome. Exactly,
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it's the outcome. You don't just want to turn
12:55
on the TV, you want to be entertained, you
12:57
want to be distracted. So
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every craving is linked to
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this underlying desire to alter your
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internal state. Okay, so it's not the thing,
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it's the feeling we expect from the thing. Exactly,
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precisely. It's also
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important to remember that cravings are individual.
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What might trigger a strong craving
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in one person could be meaningless
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to another. Right, because we all
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have different experiences. Exactly. So
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for someone who struggles with gambling, the
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lights and sounds of a slot machine, that
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can create an irresistible craving. But
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for someone who's not interested in gambling, it's
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just noise. It's background noise. It's just background
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noise. cues themselves are
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neutral. It's our thoughts, our
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feelings, our past experiences, and our emotions
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that really interpret those cues and transform
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them into a craving. So we've
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got the cue, which acts as a trigger.
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That leads to the craving, the desire to
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change our state. What's next?
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Okay. So the third step is the
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response. Okay. This is the actual Habit,
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okay that you perform and it could
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be a physical action right or even
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a thought and Whether you actually
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perform the response it really depends
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on two things. Okay first your
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motivation How strong is that craving? Okay,
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and second the friction associated with the
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behavior? Okay, so if the response requires,
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you know too much physical effort mental
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energy or time You're probably not gonna
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do it Right. It's too hard. It's
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too hard, yeah. And your
14:24
ability also plays a role. You might really
14:26
want to dunk a basketball. Right. But if
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you can't jump high enough, well,
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it's just not possible. It's just not going to happen. It's
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not going to happen. So the response is the thing
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we do or think in reaction to
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the craving, you know, if we're motivated
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enough. Exactly. Exactly. And then the
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fourth and final step is the reward.
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Okay. This is the ultimate goal of
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every habit. So the cue
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is about noticing the reward. The
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craving is wanting the reward. The
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response is how you get the
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reward. And rewards
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serve two purposes. First,
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they that craving. Right. And
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second, maybe even more importantly, they
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teach us which actions are worth
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remembering and repeating. So the reward
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is like the payoff. It feels good, but
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it also tells our brain, hey, remember this
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whole sequence? It worked. Exactly, exactly. So
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rewards give us that immediate satisfaction. You
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know, that feeling of relief when the
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cravings fulfilled. Right. But what's also important
15:22
is the learning aspect. You know, our
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brains are like sophisticated reward detection
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systems. When we experience
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pleasure, when we experience satisfaction
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after doing something, our brains
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take note. Interesting. OK.
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And those feelings of pleasure
15:37
or even disappointment, they're like
15:39
feedback. They help us
15:41
differentiate between actions that are beneficial and
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those that are not. And
15:46
the reward basically closes that whole
15:48
feedback loop and completes the habit
15:51
cycle, making it more likely to
15:53
be repeated in the future. So it
15:55
sounds like all four of those steps,
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the cue, the craving, the response, the
15:59
reward, they're all essential
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for the habit to actually form and
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stick around. Absolutely, you got it.
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If there's no clear cue, the habit
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won't be triggered. If the
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craving is not strong enough, you won't have the motivation.
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If the behavior is too hard, You're not going to do
16:15
it. And if the reward isn't good, you're going to be like,
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well, what was the point of that? Exactly. Yeah. Your
16:19
brain will have no reason to repeat it. And
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it's just not going to become a habit.
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It won't stick. So this all sounds
16:25
like this ongoing cycle. It
16:28
is. The four stages of
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habit formation, they're best
16:32
understood as this feedback loop. We call
16:34
it the habit loop. Okay. It's constantly
16:36
running in the background. Okay. Our
16:38
brains are scanning for those
16:40
cues, making predictions, experimenting, learning
16:43
from those rewards. And
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all this is happening like crazy fast.
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Oh yeah, in a fraction of a second, often without us
16:49
even realizing it. Right, subconsciously. Totally,
16:51
totally. You know, we can
16:54
even think about dividing these steps into two
16:56
phases. Okay. So first, we have the problem
16:58
phase. Okay. That's the cue and the craving.
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All right. This is where you're like, okay,
17:02
something needs to change. Right. Whether it's a
17:05
desire to get something good. Right. or avoid
17:07
something bad. And then we
17:09
have the solution phase. Okay. This
17:11
is the response and the reward.
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This is where you actually take
17:15
action to solve that problem and
17:17
experience the outcome. Gotcha. So like
17:19
you said before, you know, flipping a light switch
17:22
in a dark room, that's a perfect example of
17:24
the habit loop happening automatically. So
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I walk into a dark room, that's the
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cue. Yes. Immediately, I'm like, I need light.
17:30
That's the craving craving. I flip the switch.
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That's the response. The response. The light comes
17:34
on. That's the reward. Exactly. And it just
17:36
happens. It just happens. And most of
17:38
our adult habits work this way, you
17:41
know, without us thinking about it. Wow.
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That's amazing. Yeah. Okay. So
17:45
understanding this loop. the
17:47
cue, the craving, the response,
17:49
and the reward, that's the
17:51
key to understanding how our
17:53
habits work. It is, it is. And
17:55
it gives us this foundation for the final part
17:57
of what we're talking about today. How
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we can actually use this. Knowledge
18:03
right to make changes in our
18:05
behavior and break free from those
18:07
unwanted habits. So this brings us
18:09
to This framework that comes from those
18:11
four steps the four laws of behavior
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change So it sounds like these laws
18:16
are like the practical application of everything
18:18
we've been talking about exactly the four
18:21
laws of behavior change. They're like This
18:23
set of rules that we can use
18:25
to build good habits right and break
18:27
bad ones. Okay, think of each law
18:29
as like a lever that
18:31
influences behavior. When these
18:34
levers are in the right spot,
18:36
creating good habits becomes easier. But
18:38
when they're in the wrong spot, it
18:41
can be really tough. So what
18:43
are those four laws for creating
18:46
good habits? So the first
18:48
law, which addresses the Q, is
18:50
make it obvious. The second law
18:52
for the craving is make it
18:54
attractive. The third
18:56
for the response, make it easy.
18:58
And the fourth, for the reward, make
19:01
it satisfying. Okay, and you mentioned we
19:03
can flip these laws around, right? Yes. If we want
19:05
to break a habit. Exactly. To break a
19:07
bad habit, you want to do the
19:09
opposite. Okay. So the inverse of make
19:12
it obvious is make it invisible. Okay.
19:14
Make it attractive becomes make it unattractive.
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Okay. Make it easy becomes make it
19:18
difficult. Okay. And make it satisfying becomes
19:20
make it unsatisfying. So like for example,
19:23
if I'm trying to stop snacking on cookies late
19:25
at night. Yeah. I could make it invisible.
19:27
I could just not have cookies in the
19:29
house. Exactly. I could make it unattractive,
19:31
like, okay, well, this is actually bad for
19:33
me. Right. Make it difficult. Put them, like,
19:35
way up high in the cupboard. Yes, exactly.
19:38
Make it hard to get to. And then
19:40
unsatisfying, like, okay, even if I do get
19:42
a cookie, don't let myself enjoy it. Yeah,
19:44
remove that enjoyment. So, while those
19:46
four laws might not, like, explain
19:49
everything about changing behavior, they sound
19:51
really useful as a framework. They
19:53
are. You know, when we're talking about sports,
19:55
or business, or health, or
19:58
just personal growth, these principles
20:00
are at play. So whenever we're trying
20:02
to change something, we can ask ourselves
20:04
those four questions. How can
20:07
I make it obvious, attractive, easy
20:09
and satisfying? Exactly. And if
20:11
it's a bad habit, how do I do the opposite? Exactly.
20:14
And if you've ever wondered why you
20:16
struggled to stick to those goals, you
20:18
know, like losing weight or quitting smoking
20:20
or saving money. Right. The things we all
20:23
struggle with. Yeah. The reason often
20:25
comes back to those four laws. Really?
20:27
Yeah. The key is being aware of
20:29
them. Right. And knowing how to adjust
20:31
those cues, those cravings, those responses, those
20:33
rewards to get where you want to go. Because
20:35
if you're not aware of those, you're basically
20:38
swimming upstream. Exactly. It's like
20:40
fighting against the current. It's so much
20:42
harder. Way harder. So it sounds like,
20:44
you know, the habits we have
20:46
are really shaped by the systems and
20:48
the environments we create. Totally. And these
20:51
four laws give us the tools to
20:53
actually design those systems. They do. so
20:55
we can encourage good habits and make those
20:57
bad habits fade away. Exactly, yeah.
21:00
Okay, so to wrap up, let's go
21:02
over the key takeaways. First, a habit
21:04
is just a behavior that's been repeated
21:06
enough to become automatic. Right. If second,
21:08
habits exist to help us solve problems
21:10
efficiently. Yeah, exactly. Third, every
21:13
habit follows that loop. Q, craving,
21:16
response, and reward. You got it. And
21:18
finally, those four laws of
21:20
behavior change make it obvious,
21:22
attractive, easy, and satisfying. Yeah.
21:25
They give us this awesome framework for
21:27
shaping our behavior. They do. So we
21:29
hope this atomic habits cheat sheet
21:31
has given you some insight into
21:34
how your habits work. Yeah. And
21:36
understanding this is the first step
21:38
to making real changes. Absolutely. This
21:40
was just one deep dive into
21:42
atomic habits, part of our atomic
21:44
habits for beginners season. There's
21:47
so much more to explore from making
21:49
those cues obvious to making those rewards
21:51
truly satisfying. So to keep
21:53
learning and supporting record our work, head over
21:56
to TheMessyPodcast.com. Yes. You'll find all the
21:58
books we've covered this season and other ways
22:00
to connect with us. Yeah, come check us out. And
22:02
as you go about your day, think
22:04
about your own habits. Can you spot
22:06
the pews, the cravings, the responses, the
22:08
rewards? What problems are those
22:11
habits solving for you? Understanding that is
22:13
the key to making those lasting changes.
22:16
have said it better myself. All right, that's it for this
22:18
deep dive. We'll catch you next time. See you.
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