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is. want to make sure

1:01

that you can hear me. How's

1:04

everyone doing? Okay, I'm going

1:06

to put in the chat.

1:08

Isabella, hello, can you hear me?

1:10

I just love that. It's like with

1:12

the cell phone. Can you hear me?

1:15

Can you hear me now? Can you

1:17

hear me? Can you hear

1:19

me now? Oh, Isabella, thank

1:21

you. Yes, perfectly. Okay, great,

1:23

great. Let me know how

1:25

the sound is, because I'm

1:27

actually using a wireless. Mike

1:29

set up because I've been

1:31

doing the lives on the

1:34

phone. It's just easier. It's

1:36

great to see people coming

1:39

in. Hello and welcome. Wow,

1:41

we got lots to talk

1:44

about. Second half of the

1:46

program we have evolutionary astrologer

1:49

Daniel Fiverson. So last week

1:51

we had Robert Wilkinson.

1:53

That was a good chat as

1:56

he emailed me and said. bounce

1:58

bounce back in and I

2:00

love having our astrologer buddies

2:03

come on to help us

2:05

navigate and it's just fun

2:07

to talk evolutionary astrology which

2:10

I love evolutionary astrology by the

2:12

way because it really does

2:14

focus on the soul

2:16

understanding Pluto and transformation

2:19

maybe we'll get into

2:21

that too. Now by the way

2:23

everyone if you want to call in

2:25

there's a link. You can call in,

2:27

you can ask questions, you can

2:30

get a reading, you know the

2:32

drill. I want to make sure

2:34

to let everyone know because we're

2:36

not going to be on BTR

2:38

anymore after the 29th of this

2:40

month. So what I'm having to do

2:42

right now is I'm doing the lives

2:44

and then they go to Jacqueline to

2:47

be the intro and outro is

2:49

put on it. And then it's uploading

2:51

through BTR because that's the distribution

2:53

channel right now. That will change.

2:56

It will be pot bean, but

2:58

I just haven't had time

3:00

to deal with it. Do it. And then

3:02

we upload to YouTube. So there's

3:04

a lot of great replays in

3:07

the archives of YouTube if you

3:09

want to listen to past podcast,

3:11

especially on my predictions. I would,

3:13

listen, if somebody wants to help

3:16

me by going through the past.

3:18

archives. I mean, all of

3:20

what's happening now, I predicted, you

3:22

know, California with what's going on

3:24

with the fires, the COVID. I

3:27

mean, there's just so many predictions

3:29

in there that I've helped people

3:31

prepare for, whether individually or workshops,

3:33

or on the podcast, because I

3:35

was not censored. But anyway, if

3:38

somebody wants to go through and like, I

3:40

know a lot of people have listened, some

3:42

new listeners email me or DM me and

3:44

they say, oh, I listened to the whole

3:46

of it. Back from 2009. I should

3:48

have said to them, would you do

3:50

me a favor in just in a

3:53

sentence or two what I talked about?

3:55

Because I really go off the

3:57

cuff or I tune in with

3:59

the guides. hierarchy in the oversoles

4:02

or by email questions and that's just

4:04

I love doing it like that

4:06

and then we have people that

4:08

are able to call in so I don't

4:11

put I put what the guest talks

4:13

about we have a guest topic

4:15

but I never really do mine so

4:17

anyway if somebody wants to feels

4:19

like they want to help with

4:22

that great if not I'm going to

4:24

I'm trying to make a concerted effort

4:26

to do that now. a

4:28

description of what we've talked

4:30

about. And one of the things

4:33

I do want to talk about

4:35

is the rude awakening.

4:37

I don't know if you guys can

4:39

still hear me because I've

4:41

moved my earpiece. Can you

4:44

still hear me? Can you still

4:46

hear me? I'm going to get

4:48

my coffee in a minute too.

4:50

Not my coffee. What am I

4:52

saying? I want coffee, but I'm

4:55

having tea for my tummy. I'm

4:57

not having coffee right

4:59

now. You know, I do decaf.

5:02

Okay. Hello, Angie! In the

5:04

house, hello, hello. So yeah,

5:06

let me know if you

5:08

can hear me. Let's see.

5:11

Angie, Isabella, can you still

5:13

hear me? Okay, cool,

5:15

thanks. That's the only

5:17

thing I don't like.

5:19

I might get monitoring

5:21

systems so that I can... Anyway.

5:24

That's down the road. Once I have

5:26

time and my busy schedule to research

5:28

this, that's another thing. If anybody's kind

5:31

of text savvy on this, I am

5:33

a bit of a techie, but it's

5:35

just the time to research stuff or

5:38

know how to put it together. I

5:40

must rather just pay someone to do

5:42

that. That's where I'm out right now.

5:44

Annie, who? Some of you have talked,

5:47

we've talked about the levels of awakening,

5:49

and why is my podcast awakening. Why

5:51

did it start? What was it? I

5:54

don't know, 2007, I guess. From the guides

5:56

guiding me to it, because it would be

5:58

all these different awakening. I said

6:00

this awakening in different sectors

6:02

different groups different organizations individuals

6:04

Education medical financial away in

6:07

that every area is having

6:09

an awakening now Here's the

6:11

deal guys. Here's the dealio

6:13

We did talk about rude

6:15

awakening and we've had a

6:17

little bit of rude small

6:20

What's starting to happen so

6:22

more of the mainstream people

6:24

can wake up, is there

6:26

getting a bit of a

6:28

rude awakening? It doesn't mean

6:30

everybody has to have that

6:33

experience. Of course, we all

6:35

get, you know, we all

6:37

get influenced by what happens

6:39

and things do affect us.

6:41

That's one of the things

6:43

with like a 24-hour news

6:46

cycle and social media. And

6:48

a big part is going

6:50

to be how do we

6:52

have empathy, compassion? do what

6:54

we can but keep to

6:56

our path and understand that

6:59

it's not selfish or not

7:01

move into guilt or being

7:03

manipulated. And part of what

7:05

I'm saying because I'm in

7:07

California, Southern California, some of

7:09

you know that near the

7:11

beach and I've had a

7:14

lot of clients, some friends

7:16

and colleagues that have either

7:18

lost homes or businesses, you

7:20

know, an office. And

7:23

I think we're going to see

7:25

how everything does affect us. It

7:27

always has. But before, you know,

7:30

when something was happening, you know,

7:32

wherever in Afghanistan, or unless you

7:34

are in that area or that's

7:36

part of your heritage, or you

7:38

have a direct link, something's happening

7:41

in Somalia or something's happening in

7:43

Turkey or Iran, you know, or

7:45

Israel, or... Palestine, you know, all

7:47

these places. We don't always know

7:50

about it or we get caught

7:52

up in a frenzy. through social

7:54

media. Now, how do we know?

7:56

We have to know. How do

7:58

we know what is caught up

8:01

in the frenzy distracting us from

8:03

our life and our path and

8:05

what we can really help in?

8:07

Or what is a general soul

8:09

call or soul whisper or soul

8:12

nourage? And you have to ask

8:14

yourself, you have to be a

8:16

bit of independent thinker to know,

8:18

what can I realistically do? Now

8:20

mind you, I posted a little

8:23

bit about the fire. And part

8:25

of my posting on Instagram had

8:27

to do, and also on TikTok,

8:29

was obviously my empathy and concern,

8:31

and I'm here for people, you

8:34

know, reach out. But also I

8:36

know what I see is a

8:38

lot, it can be Survivor's guilt,

8:40

you know, well, it's not happened

8:42

in me or didn't happen in

8:45

my house, or I live in

8:47

the area, but I'm okay, or

8:49

I'm in California and I'm okay,

8:51

you know, and then there's guilt.

8:53

And what happens is we stop

8:56

our life. And so it's just

8:58

very, it's challenging, it's very difficult

9:00

when maybe you're doing well and

9:02

somebody around you isn't doing as

9:04

well. You know, I think sometimes

9:07

that can be more difficult than,

9:09

you know, misery lives company, you

9:11

know. So we have to learn

9:13

how do we hold sacred space

9:15

and power of prayer, for sure,

9:18

meditation, prayer. For some people, this

9:20

is going to be their call

9:22

to show up, to show up

9:24

to help, to show up to

9:27

help, to show up to help,

9:29

to volunteer, just to show up,

9:31

to give, to use their gifts,

9:33

maybe be an apprentice with their

9:35

gifts. For other people, you have

9:38

to know, because I looked at

9:40

it and I thought, God, it's

9:42

very noisy out there. I posted

9:44

some links, but that's all. I

9:46

can't. It's noisy. There's so much

9:49

and some people are just doing

9:51

it because it's cool and they

9:53

want the likes of this You

9:55

know that's very parent as well

9:57

So I think we have to

10:00

also understand that we are doing

10:02

a lot individually and on the

10:04

interplane But also not to get

10:06

pulled off of our path Oh,

10:08

Angie, hope you're staying safe and

10:11

mass with these fires, Michelle. I'm

10:13

in the valley and I'm still

10:15

keeping mass and air purifiers blasting.

10:17

I'm hopeful the community maintains their

10:19

unity, mutual aid through all this.

10:22

Oh, I think they will. I

10:24

think they will. I mean, I've

10:26

grown up in this area, I

10:28

mean, down south, but by the

10:30

beach and really it's been a

10:33

mismanagement. You know, we really, this

10:35

is the wake-up call. We have

10:37

to awaken. We have to awaken.

10:39

to who we vote in or

10:41

agree. And there's a, again, this

10:44

doesn't affect a lot of people.

10:46

It's the people with a lot

10:48

of power money influence that have

10:50

to kind of wake up and

10:52

go, look, it's nice to have

10:55

theoretical views about things, but what

10:57

are the basics? And again, we

10:59

have to remember, people look at

11:01

Pluto and Aquarius and go, oh,

11:03

new age and all that it's

11:06

also co-ro by Saturn. What's the

11:08

bottom? And when we have mixture

11:10

Saturn going into Aries and Neptune

11:12

in Aries, it's foundation. There's nothing

11:15

wrong with balance. Foundation principles. Let's

11:17

get the bare bones. You know,

11:19

let's get the water in the

11:21

tank. Let's have the reservoir because

11:23

we've had these fires all the

11:26

time and people will tell you.

11:28

And if people are really honest,

11:30

the big differences. not doing the

11:32

inspections, not doing the clearing, and

11:34

what they go back in. See,

11:37

everything is interconnected, whether we like

11:39

it or not. I was watching

11:41

a podcast the other night, and

11:43

last night, actually, and I didn't

11:45

realize this. This is why it's

11:48

so important. It's a light worker,

11:50

and if you're a star seed,

11:52

you're already doing this, that we

11:54

don't get too for something or

11:56

against something. Because everything has an

11:59

interconnected to this to it, whether

12:01

it's us, it's its animals. beings,

12:03

it's all of nature. Some area

12:05

it's not so good, another area

12:07

it's good. You know, it's like,

12:10

you don't like spiders, you don't

12:12

like certain bugs, but they keep

12:14

certain things in check. Well, it

12:16

turns out that when there are

12:18

the lumberers, the people, they will

12:21

go in, create these roads and

12:23

clear out all the debris. Well,

12:25

now in California, we don't want

12:27

deforestation, there's got to be a

12:29

balance because now that checks and

12:32

balance of going. and creating back

12:34

roads that they cleared the debris,

12:36

whatever you call the lumberjacks, I

12:38

don't know if that's the correct

12:40

terminology, lumberjacked people, cleared the debris,

12:43

the deadwood, chopped it down, cleared

12:45

the debris, but also the fire

12:47

people could go back there, you

12:49

know, they could go back and

12:52

clear debris. do the sustained fire.

12:54

Well, we didn't want to do

12:56

the sustained fires because of the

12:58

CO2 emissions, but we need to

13:00

do that. So I feel like

13:03

a lot of what's going to

13:05

start coming in is this understanding

13:07

of how we need to have

13:09

checks and balances, which is so

13:11

sadder, but we don't want to

13:14

be stuck in it. We don't

13:16

want to be mired in it.

13:18

That's that your uranium energy and

13:20

also when Uranus goes into Gemini,

13:22

new ideas, innovations. This is about,

13:25

we're moving into a phase in

13:27

this new paradigm of creative solutions.

13:29

This is the time to solve

13:31

problems, whether individually for ourselves or

13:33

within groups, within communities. There are

13:36

things that are going to be

13:38

changing radically, you know, with our

13:40

government, you know, IRS, I've got

13:42

predictions on that, what's happening with

13:44

that, bringing things back to community,

13:47

and local. less federal

13:49

government. So again, there's going to be

13:51

less federal government. There's going to be

13:53

all kinds of changes. And by the

13:56

way, when I channeled all this stuff

13:58

in 2017, late 2017, early 2020. 18,

14:00

the close of the year, it was

14:02

all about this. The guides were saying,

14:05

prepare people, let them know. So we

14:07

have to really have our own checks

14:09

and balance where we don't freak out

14:11

and think, oh my God, it's bad,

14:13

that's gone, that's gonna be gone. Who's

14:16

gonna do this? Who's gonna take care

14:18

of that? What's gonna happen? It's possible

14:20

to have a better way. It doesn't

14:22

mean there's not constriction, restriction, or stuff

14:25

we don't like happening, but on the

14:27

other side of that. You

14:29

feel better. You know, like I

14:32

greatly, I gotta be honest with

14:34

you guys, greatly cut down my

14:36

sugar intake. I mean, greatly. And

14:39

in the beginning, because my tummy,

14:41

and I talked about this on

14:43

the podcast, previous podcast, I think

14:46

it was Ella Devar, I think

14:48

that does the gut health. So

14:50

it was easy, but then there

14:52

came a time where I was

14:55

like, oh, you know, I want

14:57

this, I want that. and having

14:59

a little Tony's chocolate with almonds,

15:02

sustainable, organic, all that jazz. But,

15:04

but I do feel better. All

15:06

of a sudden I had more

15:09

energy, you know, so certain things

15:11

I cut out that I was

15:13

eating, and really it was kind

15:15

of like my quassant, like my

15:18

little things like that with my

15:20

tea and coffee, because everything else

15:22

I eat very, very healthy and

15:25

supplements, etc, etc., etc., etc. You

15:27

know, super food, blah, blah, blah,

15:29

But after four or five years

15:32

of deviating from my normal healthy

15:34

eating pattern, it caught up with

15:36

me. But anyway, now I feel

15:39

better. So even though we might

15:41

be going through tough times and

15:43

difficult times, I'm inviting you to

15:45

look at the creative solution for

15:48

yourself and others. Yeah, Andrew, you're

15:50

right. Pluto, it seems to be

15:52

moving us in that direction already.

15:55

Yeah, it wants to cut. It

15:57

wants to cut. Pluto cuts through

15:59

stuff. And so Aquarius has a

16:02

lot to do with individuals, groups

16:04

and organizations of like-minded individuals. But

16:06

more than Pluto and Capricorn, where

16:08

it looked at systems, Pluto and

16:11

Aquarius begins to look at the

16:13

people that make up the systems.

16:15

So, since systems get more affected

16:18

with Pluto and Aquarius, and especially

16:20

when Saturn goes into aries, And

16:22

Neptune in areas, what's the big

16:25

new vision? What's the new creative

16:27

idea? What's the new vision? Where

16:29

can you bring spirit or spirituality

16:32

or unity into this? So we've

16:34

got these changes. Even for me,

16:36

now Angie, you said, yeah, I

16:38

have a mask, I wore one,

16:41

it's funny, I didn't do mask

16:43

at all in COVID, and I

16:45

had bought one, like a heavy,

16:48

like N1, something, I don't know,

16:50

it's a black. It's it's a

16:52

really heavy-duty mask. It's like for

16:55

people that are doing like let's

16:57

say spray painting or a lot

16:59

of artists use it for murals.

17:01

I think it's a sports man.

17:04

Anyway, a friend of mine had

17:06

got one and he's a pretty

17:09

well-known. What did he do, photographer?

17:11

But I don't know why he

17:13

had it. I don't know if

17:16

it's from paint or whatever. So

17:18

I have that. So I took

17:20

that out. I thought, well, now

17:22

that'll come in handy. Because I

17:24

really need it. I didn't care

17:26

about COVID, because I know how

17:28

things spread. You know, your immune

17:31

system's strong. You're not going to

17:33

get it or not getting as

17:35

bad or badly. That not only

17:37

you can see But you can

17:39

feel and you can feel it

17:41

in the lungs like I had

17:43

to close my windows put my

17:46

air purifier on Just because it

17:48

felt like an elephant was on

17:50

my chest hard to breathe or

17:52

like you're going uphill with the

17:54

elephant and then all the smells

17:56

and toxins and whatever But I

17:59

have found places that I can

18:01

go in nature some of you

18:03

of seeing my post on Instagram,

18:05

on, you know, my stories, where

18:07

there's, the air quality is better,

18:09

a lot, lot, lot better. The

18:11

birds are out chirping, the ducks

18:14

are quacking, and I've been doing

18:16

my meditations and tune-ins for Patriot

18:18

posts there, and just walking and

18:20

just chilling, just really laying there

18:22

or sitting down in the sun

18:24

or laying down or sitting down,

18:26

whatever I decide to do. So

18:29

I feel grateful, I feel blessed,

18:31

and I just, yeah, I can

18:33

have a challenge of the air

18:35

quality. That's okay. And I just

18:37

so feel for people, but I

18:39

see, well, things are going to

18:42

get a lot more extreme, and

18:44

that's the channel messages of what

18:46

the guides were saying, is just

18:48

know that there is an end

18:50

in sight. There is going to

18:52

be an ending. There is, you

18:54

know, that things do get better.

18:57

There's a saying and I

19:00

wish I could find it

19:02

a story Oh Somebody wants

19:04

to call in who's that?

19:07

Let's see calling. Where are

19:09

you mad? Join the room

19:12

call back in NAD 12?

19:14

Was it NAD a good

19:17

supplement? There's NAC and NAN

19:19

D I take NAC allow

19:21

call. Okay, here we go

19:24

allow calling. Hello, you're on

19:26

air I'm

19:29

new to you. Did you want

19:31

to be? Yeah, I guess I'm

19:33

confused. I'm new to you on

19:35

the app. So I'm used to

19:37

the where you call in and

19:39

wait when you're on blog talk.

19:41

So I don't want to interrupt.

19:43

I'm just wanting to. Oh, that's

19:45

fine. That's fun. Listen. Put myself

19:47

on. Go with the flow because.

19:50

This is just going with them.

19:52

I love it. It's live streaming.

19:55

It's streaming. It's not broadcast. So

19:57

Blanco Radio, which I did love,

20:00

had a switchboard with a cue.

20:02

Right? Okay. So people could wait

20:04

and then I could click. This,

20:07

you can wait. And maybe I'll

20:09

figure out a way to just

20:12

tell people, hey, you're next or

20:14

I'm gonna talk a couple more

20:16

minutes, but whatever, it's just in

20:19

its flow. But glad to have

20:21

you here. Hi, my name is

20:24

Nadia. Yeah, and I'm so, I'm

20:26

so, so, so, so sorry and

20:28

just sad about the fires. It's

20:31

just horrible. Yeah, yeah, it is.

20:33

It's also because you can't, there's

20:36

not a lot you can do.

20:38

There's only, there's certain people that

20:40

can do things because it's in

20:43

their field and then there's others

20:45

that, what can you do? Yeah,

20:48

yeah, exactly the feelings I've been

20:50

trying to navigate around. Yeah, what

20:52

are you feeling, because I think

20:55

sometimes, you know, and part of

20:57

why I did the post that

21:00

I did Nadia, on Instagram and

21:02

also Tik Talk was that I'm

21:04

also therapist and I'm trained

21:06

in marine counseling and I'm in

21:09

post-traumatic stress disorder working with people

21:11

and a lot of times that

21:14

throughout the devastate it's so hard

21:16

for what people go through that

21:18

they're being directly affected losing their

21:21

home or losing a loved one

21:23

or whatever that devastation is, that

21:26

tragedy, but also the people around

21:28

that are connected or viewing it,

21:30

that see and feel that, but

21:33

sometimes think, well, why am I

21:35

feeling this way? Because I have

21:38

my house, I have fine, I'm

21:40

my family. Especially if you know

21:42

someone closely that's going through that.

21:45

It's almost like, to some, a

21:47

lesser, lesser, way lesser degree is

21:50

when we have health challenges. and

21:52

the people around this don't, and

21:54

they feel bad. You know, it's

21:57

almost like you want to have

21:59

it too, you know, or so.

22:02

and loses their job, and you

22:04

got a raise or you got

22:06

a bonus. You know, it's a

22:09

very difficult thing to handle. It's

22:11

both appreciation and gratitude that you

22:14

don't, aren't going through something that

22:16

somebody is going through. But then

22:18

you feel bad. You feel guilty.

22:21

Like, you know, that's, you know.

22:23

So it's challenging. It's hard for

22:26

the people that are being affected,

22:28

emotionally. you know, mentally, etherically, energetically,

22:30

but maybe not directly affected. It's

22:33

still affecting in a certain way,

22:35

right? Yeah. Do you know some

22:38

people or are you? Do you?

22:40

Yeah, well, I'm in Minnesota and

22:42

I, yeah, I have friends in

22:45

Los Angeles from Los Angeles and

22:47

I guess I'm more just feeling

22:50

it. in the sense of... Yeah,

22:52

I guess I don't know how

22:54

to articulate, but just in that

22:57

way of witnessing from a far...

22:59

Yeah. And feeling like I can't

23:02

keep up with all the information,

23:04

and that kind of... just how

23:06

devastating it is, and how to...

23:09

You my friend Owen who calls

23:11

in here sometimes and is a

23:14

big follower of yours we were

23:16

talking the other day about kind

23:18

of just having to hold the

23:21

line within yourself hold down the

23:23

line for other people for yourself

23:26

and I guess sometimes you just

23:28

have to I was kind of

23:30

losing myself in sadness and then

23:33

I was able to come back

23:35

a couple days ago through

23:37

the help of a a friend

23:40

and coach and and also kind

23:42

of I guess I'm kind of

23:44

curious is how Yeah, what that

23:47

line of feeling it and being

23:49

and surrendering to the immensity of

23:52

the pain and the sadness and

23:54

destruction and then ensuring yourself up

23:56

and being kind of a whole

23:59

being for everyone else in it.

24:01

Yeah. Well, I would say you

24:04

first have to be a whole

24:06

being for yourself and for me.

24:08

Also, what helps is the metaphysical

24:11

point of view, that how these

24:13

things are going to happen. There's

24:16

something under that, you know, there's

24:18

something from that, and realistically asking,

24:20

what can I do? And maybe

24:23

it's not, you can't do something

24:25

directly. See, that's part of it

24:28

is people want to feel like

24:30

they're doing something. Sometimes maybe it's

24:32

a prayer, maybe it's a meditation,

24:35

maybe it's something you post, maybe

24:37

it's an awareness, what can I

24:40

learn from this or understand from

24:42

this? You know, so it's going

24:44

to be different things for different

24:47

people depending on how you're called

24:49

and there's no wrong or right

24:52

and depending, you know, what you

24:54

can handle, you know, bandwidth wise,

24:56

but it is important. to pull

24:59

out of the tragedy, even people

25:01

that are going through it. Because

25:04

I have worked with people that

25:06

have gone through tragedies like this

25:08

as a counselor or divorce, you

25:11

know, or they just found out

25:13

their spouse is cheating or took

25:16

all the money and, you know,

25:18

the kids college fund is gone

25:20

or whatever, whatever is coming at

25:23

them or they've lost their job,

25:25

you know. You do have to

25:28

consciously pull yourself out of it

25:30

and like I said at the

25:32

top of the podcast and have

25:35

a healthy distraction Like to be

25:37

aware of your limits Like oh,

25:40

I've been looking at this a

25:42

while. I've been talking about this

25:44

for a while I've been You

25:47

know thinking ruminating or thinking about

25:49

this You know, I need to

25:52

go for a walk or dance

25:54

or move or like for me

25:56

like some incense or go go

25:59

it be in nature whatever it

26:01

is or journal some people that

26:04

are artists you know journaling or

26:06

writing about what what are

26:08

your feelings draw it out if

26:10

it's abstract or whatever but two

26:13

things happen it triggers loss and

26:15

uncertainty that people have had as

26:18

a child so if you've had

26:20

a lot of loss where you

26:22

felt displaced, you're going to be

26:25

extra triggered. So just knowing that,

26:27

I have a very good friend

26:30

that actually went through a fire

26:32

that lost everything, but also how

26:34

they grew up, there was not

26:37

enough emotional room for them to

26:39

process emotions and what they needed

26:42

to go through. And they lived

26:44

with a lot of up and

26:46

down, a lot of uncertainty. So

26:49

we had a chat and I

26:51

said, well. you're also being triggered

26:54

by how you grew up, not

26:56

just the fire that you had

26:58

in your 20s, but you grew

27:01

up with a lot of uncertainty,

27:03

chaos, emotional overload. And so, again,

27:06

it's all about us looking at

27:08

ourselves and taking good care of

27:10

ourselves and going, okay, wow, I

27:13

have had whatever I've gone through

27:15

my life, whatever it is for

27:18

that person, recognizing, oh, I'm going

27:20

to need some extra care, you

27:22

know. And you know,

27:25

Nadi, I'm going to tell you

27:27

on a bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger

27:29

picture because yes, this is devastating

27:31

and it'll probably happen again and,

27:34

you know, I don't want to

27:36

minimize at all because if it

27:38

was my house, I probably not,

27:40

I had looked around and thought,

27:43

I actually was in a fire,

27:45

but I wasn't as effective, but

27:47

I did have to evacuate years

27:49

ago in Sanitas. It was a

27:52

lacosta fire and there was huge

27:54

while I was driving walls of

27:56

planes. I mean, it was stunningly.

27:58

frightening, scary, like whoa. And you

28:01

hear the woo, woo, the flames

28:03

make this sound. But I got

28:05

it so, as much as I

28:07

love my little, my things and

28:10

my crystal, all that, I thought,

28:12

okay, I could get it down

28:14

to these two suitcases, you know,

28:16

small, small suitcases, documents, you know,

28:19

certain things. So I think it

28:21

brings that kind of stuff, but

28:23

big, big picture is, and this

28:25

is changing in the new paradigm

28:27

because we're connecting more to the

28:30

soul and eventually we'll be expressing

28:32

and experiencing life more as soul

28:34

beings. as ego portion, atrophes, we

28:36

are not taught to celebrate ourselves,

28:39

to love ourselves. We're not taught

28:41

that our life is important. In

28:43

other words, even from a religious

28:45

standpoint, that we're, whatever you want

28:48

to say, an aspect of God,

28:50

God consciousness, all that, that our

28:52

life is this living question and

28:54

answer. In other words, that we

28:57

have a duty. to our path

28:59

to ourselves as when we incarnate

29:01

we're taught it's all about other

29:03

people volunteer do this do that

29:06

give type all of that is

29:08

great I do it it's great

29:10

but we're taught to do it

29:12

at the expense of our life

29:15

it's like well our life isn't

29:17

is important you know so that's

29:19

changing I don't know how you

29:21

feel about what I'm saying yeah

29:24

I mean I'm definitely resonating with

29:27

This thought of that we have

29:29

a duty to ourselves in our

29:31

path Yeah, yeah, it's important and

29:34

then when we do that then

29:36

we can go Okay, I'm here

29:38

for me. Me too. You know,

29:41

they quantum aspect of me. You

29:43

know that I'm you're funneling that

29:46

energy that consciousness in this lifetime

29:48

and And if we look at

29:50

the soul, you know, that our

29:53

ego body mind, our body is

29:55

an instrument of the soul, it's

29:57

like we have... something else now.

30:00

You know, I am seeing one

30:02

thing and again, it might be

30:05

too soon to talk about because

30:07

I, again, sometimes I'm just crying,

30:09

especially when I think of the

30:12

animal beings or I see something

30:14

on the podcast or news of

30:17

the person, you know, losing their

30:19

life or the animal beings, especially

30:21

in nature. I just, as an

30:24

empath, I would just well up

30:26

and I'm like, okay, Michelle will

30:28

be better. But I can feel

30:31

the energy, but this is the

30:33

time. And I said at the

30:36

beginning of the podcast or stream,

30:38

live stream, that we have to

30:40

get grounded again about what's important

30:43

in our fabric of society. And

30:45

again, it's going to be certain

30:47

people with a lot of money,

30:50

a lot of means and influence,

30:52

who they voted in with these

30:55

cockamamie bills and plans and stuff

30:57

that is just. diverting

30:59

money to that, you know, this

31:02

whole, I'm awakenings, I'm for awakening,

31:04

I'm not for woke canceling, all

31:06

these over identification, you know, politics,

31:08

identity, because that's not the soul,

31:10

the soul's inclusive, you know, the

31:13

soul is about everybody's rights, not

31:15

just one group's rights. So I

31:17

feel that we're going to have

31:19

some leaders out of this, out

31:21

of the pain, we're going to

31:24

have some leaders. changing, almost like

31:26

how influencers, I don't know if

31:28

you've seen them now, it just

31:30

happened a couple years ago and

31:32

my prediction was the fall of

31:35

the celebrity and this whole idea

31:37

of influencers and now it's playing

31:39

out and part of that shows

31:41

in the astrology also because it's

31:43

the lower level of the, you

31:46

know, Picean era, we're not going

31:48

to be glorifying, you know, stars,

31:50

reality stars, movie stars. you know,

31:52

Kardashian type people. No, no, it's

31:54

going to be everyday people. That's

31:57

so glorious. I feel some of

31:59

these people that are going to

32:01

wake up literally and go, let

32:03

me think about where I've been

32:05

putting my money, my time, my

32:08

energy. Let me think about maybe

32:10

I don't need 30 broken bags,

32:12

maybe five or 10 is good,

32:14

and the rest of the money,

32:16

I can really do something good

32:19

with. You know what I mean?

32:21

So I do feel there's gonna

32:23

be people out of this that

32:25

come. And get

32:28

out of that either whether

32:30

it's far far left or

32:32

far right, they're going to

32:34

come in the middle and

32:36

go, hey, let's have some

32:38

creative solutions with this. Let's

32:40

not worry about what people

32:42

are posting or canceling people

32:44

or diversity and equality inclusion.

32:47

Let's stop at these programs

32:49

and let's do what's good

32:51

for all people. So I

32:53

do think there's going to

32:55

be some benefits from this.

32:57

I don't know what you

32:59

see. If you have a

33:01

feeling about that, it intuition.

33:03

Me? Yeah. I don't know,

33:05

I do. I am all

33:08

about the taking down of

33:10

the celebrity and worship of

33:12

certain individuals though, like that.

33:14

I think that's very important

33:16

that that's happening. Yeah. Bring

33:18

it back. I mean, they

33:20

can have their peace too,

33:22

but people just blindly following

33:24

a narrative. You know, and

33:27

I guess for me, the

33:29

benefit that, especially with those

33:31

predictions, it's on Patreon, maybe

33:33

I'm going to put it

33:35

on rumble, I'm going to

33:37

do a note, because I

33:39

had my predictions on YouTube

33:41

and they got taken down

33:43

because it was directly contrary

33:46

to what the government and

33:48

Fauchi was saying. Yeah, in

33:50

2017, I had four days

33:52

of channel information. that played

33:54

out, that there was gonna

33:56

be a pandemic. I told

33:58

clients, I told my. team.

34:00

I told certain, you know,

34:02

I did workshops where I

34:05

did channeling and I told

34:07

people you need to have

34:09

more of an online component.

34:11

My guides told me this

34:13

thing has started in a

34:15

lab that our government was

34:17

paying partly for it about

34:19

COVID, the whole pandemic, the

34:21

whole passport, you know, everything

34:23

that happened. I was watching

34:26

it unfold. The National Guard,

34:28

I mean I was calling

34:30

all my friends, oh my

34:32

God, I'm walking, this is

34:34

exactly what I was shown

34:36

in the vision is happening.

34:38

You know, I was in

34:40

it, it was such so

34:42

surreal. And so that's why

34:45

I really, you know, kind

34:47

of, you know, really believe,

34:49

you know, that we're going

34:51

to be okay, that no

34:53

matter what we go through,

34:55

there is this process. But

34:57

the problem is, is people

34:59

blindly believe. disagreeable, skeptical, not

35:01

do our own research, not

35:04

believe everything that an expert,

35:06

don't believe everything I say

35:08

either. You know, it's like,

35:10

I tell that to my

35:12

clients all the time, I'm

35:14

like, look, bring it to

35:16

you, bring it back to

35:18

you, but we have to

35:20

stop believing these authority figures

35:23

to overly believing them, believing

35:25

a certain narrative. Right, we

35:27

have to bring it back

35:29

to us and do our

35:31

own research. I had so

35:33

many people that had so

35:35

much misinformation that actually even

35:37

caused them their health. And

35:39

I had COVID early on,

35:42

I got it early and

35:44

I got it bad, but

35:46

I was fine. I did

35:48

my podcast, I worked with

35:50

clients, and I'm not saying

35:52

everyone's going to have that,

35:54

you know, because, you know,

35:56

people can get very sick

35:58

or die. But I didn't

36:00

have all that fear also,

36:03

you know, channeling that this

36:05

was going to happen and

36:07

boy it's happening it's playing

36:09

out. So I just think

36:11

we have to bring it

36:13

back to us our own

36:15

intuition and take all sides

36:17

do the research and and

36:19

see what we come out

36:22

with, but this kind of

36:24

blindly believing and being, you

36:26

know, manipulated. Because we don't

36:28

want to take the time

36:30

to do the research is

36:32

not good. So, Nadia, now

36:34

do you have a question?

36:36

Yeah, can I shift to

36:38

a more personal kind of

36:41

question? Absolutely. Yes, you can.

36:43

kind of what to do

36:45

with the fear. I've been,

36:47

the past year I have

36:49

been training in my guitar

36:51

practice and with someone who

36:53

is an incredible guitarist and

36:55

also a life coach and

36:57

we've been combining those forces

37:00

and it's been very transformative

37:02

to me to have a

37:04

music. development with this person.

37:06

Something happened in which I

37:08

was able to feel love

37:10

for myself for the first

37:12

time maybe ever and I

37:14

knew that it was going

37:16

to be really powerful work

37:18

and it made me sort

37:21

of afraid of what if

37:23

I fall in love with

37:25

this person. And I was

37:27

able to kind of put

37:29

that in its right place

37:31

and I knew I was

37:33

like, well, maybe that's, this

37:35

work is, this work will

37:37

come first. And this, this

37:40

feeling and this experience of

37:42

love for this person has

37:44

only grown in conjunction with

37:46

my own love growing for

37:48

myself. And there have been

37:50

times where I really don't

37:52

know what to do with

37:54

that. And and I, Now

37:56

is this a professional relation

37:59

that are working with you?

38:01

Is it a therapeutic? therapeutic

38:03

working relationship and it's over

38:05

zoom okay and I guess

38:07

maybe my question is like

38:09

think of the question because

38:11

right away I'm beeping because

38:13

of being a yeah my

38:15

question is that's not a

38:18

good absolutely and luckily I

38:20

mean he's not like a

38:23

therapist he's coach which is

38:25

different but I am well aware

38:28

it's Yeah, does he have

38:30

training? Oh yeah, yeah. And

38:32

it's completely boundary and I,

38:34

but that's where I think

38:37

I've been in conflict about

38:39

at different times because I'm

38:41

like, you know, my feelings are

38:43

enormous. I'm also well aware

38:45

that this is probably just

38:48

like such a rite of

38:50

passage in this process too

38:52

to like feel this kind

38:54

of, you know, but I guess

38:56

I'm just wondering. You know, is

38:59

there value to bringing this up

39:01

and processing it with this person

39:03

or if I just let it

39:05

move? No, I would bring it

39:07

up. And here's something that happens,

39:09

and you may have heard, transference,

39:11

counter-transference. So what happens in therapy,

39:13

two things. Man or woman, this can

39:16

happen. We start getting certain feelings,

39:18

and we're taught in a society,

39:20

especially if you're attracted, like,

39:22

you're attracted, if it's the

39:24

gender that you're attracted to. It

39:27

can have sexual connotations or

39:29

connection, you know, if

39:31

you want to call

39:33

it sexual connection, liking,

39:36

romantic, whatever. It's almost

39:38

like a great conversation

39:40

can have that too. You can,

39:42

that second chakra, ping, ping,

39:45

ping. So what happens in

39:47

therapy a lot of times, these

39:49

certain feelings of connection,

39:51

happen, that's normal. That

39:54

happens so what we do in real what

39:56

we do in outside of session begins to

39:58

happen in session so could It could

40:00

be an attraction. It could be

40:02

liking, could be visualizing fantasy, you

40:05

know, a relationship of some sort

40:07

or a future in that way

40:09

in a non-ther, in a different

40:11

type of way. But also, whatever

40:14

we do in our life, it

40:16

has to play out. It has

40:18

to play out. So if you

40:20

have. blowups with people in your

40:23

life and you're trying to working

40:25

on that, then you'll have it

40:27

in session. So it's always good

40:29

to bring what's coming up and

40:31

process because you don't know yet

40:34

what it is. You're imagining what

40:36

it is, but once you start

40:38

processing it, you can get clarity

40:40

because it's possible to feel connection

40:43

level attachment or attraction to someone.

40:45

That can happen all the time,

40:47

whether you're married or married or

40:49

not. it's what we then do

40:52

with it. So there could be

40:54

just something opening up for you

40:56

or awakening within you, within this,

40:58

through this connection, that through processing,

41:01

it can then find its true

41:03

outlet. It's true meaning. Does that

41:05

make sense? Yeah, I've just been

41:07

so afraid to bring it up.

41:09

But at the same time, it's

41:12

been something that I'm like, well,

41:14

I'm not, it's like, almost like

41:16

I've been hiding it. Right. Do

41:18

you feel safe bringing up to

41:21

this person? I do, but I'm

41:23

scared because of like the immensity

41:25

of my like love and gratitude

41:27

for this person. I think I'm

41:30

afraid. Okay. Okay. But I feel

41:32

like it would be so well

41:34

received. I feel like he would

41:36

handle it well. I feel like

41:39

it would all... be really, I

41:41

would probably be really profound in

41:43

healing, you know. Well, I think

41:45

just what you stated is so

41:48

articulate, so beautiful. that even just

41:50

saying what the immensity of my

41:52

gratitude and love for you, I'm

41:54

having other feelings around it. Because

41:56

that is going to happen with,

41:59

and I'm not saying yay or

42:01

nay in your situation, but I

42:03

could share with you. many many

42:05

clients that I have worked with

42:08

whether it's even dream I'm working

42:10

with them dream therapy and then

42:12

they tell me oh my god

42:14

I had my husband but I

42:17

have I had a dream about

42:19

this guy you know and I'm

42:21

like well that's an integration dream

42:23

see we don't we don't we

42:26

don't we don't know unless you're

42:28

trained unless you're trained in this

42:30

you're like oh my god I

42:32

had a sex dream that means

42:34

I want to have an affair

42:37

and you find out the person

42:39

clearly doesn't and you know and

42:41

they're this artist and I'm thinking

42:43

about going back to my painting

42:46

and I go okay well it

42:48

could be that because the subconscious

42:50

mine is so literal I will

42:52

suggest to them it could be

42:55

that you're integrating that aspect and

42:57

it's integrating energetically and this dream

42:59

is getting it's kind of awakening

43:01

you to I want to have

43:04

a successful art career like this

43:06

person so if you bring it

43:08

back to the energy and if

43:10

this person you feel you can

43:12

trust, and they would know what

43:15

to help guide you in that

43:17

energy exchange and give it context,

43:19

I guess is what I would

43:21

say, that of course if you

43:24

are making great changes in your

43:26

life through this person assisting you,

43:28

there would be an up leveling

43:30

of love and gratitude and good

43:33

for you that you can feel

43:35

that you can feel that. Now

43:37

where do you want to channel

43:39

that? outside the therapeutic process in

43:42

your life? Where do you want

43:44

to individually channel and express that

43:46

energy? That those feelings, right? Yeah.

43:48

Wow. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you

43:50

for sharing. I mean, a lot

43:53

of people go through what you're

43:55

going through and sometimes we just

43:57

need to, you know, talk it

43:59

out, really. Yeah. What do you

44:02

think? I guess I'm seeing that

44:04

I'm like, yeah, when I hear

44:06

like, yeah, a lot of people

44:08

go through it, I see how

44:11

I could judge myself for that

44:13

or feel shame. And that's why

44:15

I think I have the fear

44:17

bringing it up is there's this

44:20

shame that I don't feel worthy

44:22

of the kind of love that

44:24

I'm feeling and that I'm putting

44:26

it that I almost don't feel

44:29

worthy of him or something too.

44:31

But it's like I'm I am

44:33

also able to recognize that that

44:35

this is taking place for me.

44:37

I think there's a fear of

44:40

scarcity of losing it as well,

44:42

or that it only exists in

44:44

this form, this person. Yeah, that's

44:46

why I'm suggesting you bring it

44:49

back to you, otherwise it stays

44:51

in a projection. Okay. And then

44:53

it's about the person, it's about

44:55

the therapy, it's about the outer,

44:58

but you, but he's, like when

45:00

I work with people, I'm assisting

45:02

them to what their own process

45:04

internally. I'm not making anything happen.

45:07

So if you kind of take

45:09

that, this person is stimulating this,

45:11

the connection, the process, whatever you're

45:13

doing, this is happening, but you're

45:15

the one that's doing it to

45:18

you. You know, even when we

45:20

choose to love somebody or we

45:22

follow love, quote unquote, date, or

45:24

engage, married, or we're choosing to

45:27

do that. Because those feelings happen

45:29

all the time. They happen in

45:31

a great conversation. They happen. by

45:33

seeing somebody are attracted to on

45:36

the dance floor, whatever, or admire,

45:38

it's just, are the values, principles,

45:40

and beliefs enough there? also to

45:42

make it a particular kind of

45:45

relationship. So yeah, I'm glad you

45:47

brought this up because yes, pretty

45:49

much everyone goes through this in

45:51

therapy in one way or another,

45:53

coaching or whatever you want to

45:56

call counseling, coaching, therapy, mentoring, apprenticing.

45:58

And that's why also one thing

46:00

that I do when I work

46:02

with people, whether individually or in

46:05

groups, is I always keep bringing

46:07

it back to them. because I'm

46:09

aware of projection and I don't

46:11

want to be caught up in

46:14

that because there's no way I'm,

46:16

you know, I'm very, very worthy.

46:18

I'm very worthy and I'm very

46:20

deserving and I am amazing and

46:23

awesome in what I do, but

46:25

I'm not on a pedestal because

46:27

I have my own stuff and

46:29

I know I'm only triggering other

46:32

people in the positive way or

46:34

maybe negative ways sometimes, but I'm

46:36

triggering their growth, but it's their

46:38

energy, it's their feelings. So if

46:40

you bring it back to you,

46:43

you're going to move into perception,

46:45

perceiving, oh, I'm feeling these feelings

46:47

I haven't felt in a long

46:49

time or never felt, they're my

46:52

feelings, how do I want to

46:54

use this in my life for

46:56

my soul expression, my growth, my

46:58

creativity, my health, my whatever it

47:01

is, how to, what, so in

47:03

other words, you're in a transmutative

47:05

process, an alchemical process when you're

47:07

in therapy or therapeutic situation. So

47:10

you have to ask yourself, what's

47:12

coming up? Think of yourself when

47:14

you're in a container, like a

47:16

cauldron. Now what bubbles up? You

47:18

have to take that, scoop it,

47:21

and go, oh, I'm going to

47:23

use this for empowerment. I'm going

47:25

to use this because showing me

47:27

that I can love again. I

47:30

can feel good. I can do

47:32

this. You want to take it

47:34

out of the projection. You want

47:36

to take it out of that

47:39

sacred space and bring it into

47:41

your life. The therapy helps, but

47:43

it's not about... You would do

47:45

it anyway, because you're doing it

47:48

now. You might do it with

47:50

a book. You might do it

47:52

with a podcast. You might do

47:54

it with another therapist. Because if

47:56

you're doing it now... you could

47:59

do it with or through some

48:01

other means as well. You're just

48:03

happening to do it with this

48:05

container that's, you know, therapeutic container

48:08

that this person has to be

48:10

a part, happens to be a

48:12

part of. Right? So can I

48:14

just repeat back what I think

48:17

you just said, you said, take

48:19

it out of the projection and

48:21

then see how, what you can

48:23

do with it? Yeah, like what

48:26

is it bringing up for you,

48:28

these feelings. And how

48:30

can you use it in your

48:32

life? So take it out of

48:35

the session. It's not about him.

48:37

It's not about the session. It

48:39

happened in the set. Here's an

48:42

example. You go work out. You're

48:44

working out with a trainer. And

48:46

they're having you do certain exercises.

48:48

And now two weeks, three weeks

48:51

later, you're feeling. You realize one

48:53

day, I just feel better in

48:55

my body. I feel good. My

48:58

obliques are showing. I feel good.

49:00

I feel healthier. See, now I'm

49:02

taking it away. It's not just

49:04

about that trainer or that person

49:07

or maybe he's cute and I

49:09

like it or whatever. I'm taking

49:11

it now and putting it in

49:14

my own life, how I feel

49:16

when I get up in the

49:18

morning. Yes, it's because I worked

49:20

with the trainer or the coach.

49:23

Yes, that helped me. But they

49:25

help me get in touch with

49:27

something inside of me. And now

49:30

that I feel better in my

49:32

life, I'm going to, you know,

49:34

do certain things. I'm going to

49:36

do, I'm eating better or I'm

49:39

not wearing clothes at or 20

49:41

sizes too big or whatever it

49:43

is. I'm just saying putting it

49:46

out there. Do you see what

49:48

I'm saying? You've got to just

49:50

take it now and bring it

49:52

into your life individually. Does that

49:55

make sense? Yeah. Thank you. Thank

49:57

you. We have our guest, our

49:59

waking guest, coming along. Daniel Fiveerson,

50:02

hope you'll stick around. And please

50:04

let us know because I'm telling

50:06

you so many people go through

50:08

what you're going through and I've

50:11

even seen it with yoga instructors

50:13

and it can be misused. I'm

50:15

not saying your person is doing

50:18

that, but I've seen that, you

50:20

know, a lot, especially with yoga

50:22

instructors that are well known. A

50:24

lot of guys, unfortunately, yoga guys

50:27

do that, you know, and it

50:29

becomes this guru syndrome, which guru

50:31

just mean instructor, but then they

50:34

have the, there's just a lot

50:36

of weirdness that can be around

50:38

it. But when we take that

50:40

projection back, the weirdness goes away,

50:43

you know? Okay, yeah. Enjoy your

50:45

new energy coming in though, this

50:47

love. Thank you so much. Enjoy

50:50

it. Yeah, I love it. Beautiful.

50:52

All right, big hug to you

50:54

and hope to connect with you

50:56

again. Bye. Take care. Bye. Oh,

50:59

energy. All right, gang. Time

51:02

for awakening dialogue, our awakening

51:04

conversation, Daniel Fiveerson, evolutionary astrologer.

51:06

Let's bring him on. Hey,

51:09

Daniel, can you unmute yourself?

51:11

Are you there? Yes, I'm

51:13

here. Am I muted? No,

51:16

now you're not. Hello, great

51:18

to connect with you. Hello,

51:20

Michelle. I love your new

51:23

platform. Do you? Yes, yes.

51:26

me off but yeah why a

51:28

lot of people love it they're

51:31

saying the sound is better the

51:33

sound is much better yes okay

51:35

is that the main reason or

51:38

you just it's just easier well

51:40

for me personally because I have

51:43

you had some hearing issues and

51:45

and so you know when we

51:47

get together half of my work

51:50

is to make sure I'm hearing

51:52

what you're saying and and you're

51:54

loud and clear today it's beautiful

51:57

Oh good, yeah we had, I

51:59

think Angie in the chat had

52:02

even said the beginning, stick with

52:04

pot, bean Michelle the same. is

52:06

better than I had people DM

52:09

and emailing me about the sound.

52:11

I knew the sound on BTR

52:14

wasn't as good, but I didn't

52:16

realize how how it distorted, you

52:18

know, the voice. Right, because on

52:21

your end, I'm sure it was

52:23

working well. Yeah. Yeah, I guess

52:25

what it was in the replays.

52:28

It sounded sometimes, it did work

52:30

well on my end, but sometimes

52:33

it was not as loud, clear,

52:35

but this, I mean, Daniel, you

52:37

sound like you're sitting right next

52:40

to me, am I living? I

52:42

wish I was, I wish I

52:44

was, that would be, the only

52:47

thing that could make this better.

52:49

I know, well, and I'm going

52:52

to be what I want to

52:54

have you on to, we're going

52:56

to be doing some lives, but

52:59

video also. Oh great. Starting to

53:01

do that too and get some

53:04

panels together. We've got lots happening

53:06

as you know I want to

53:08

dive into the astrology on this

53:11

but do me a favor though

53:13

before we dive deep into what's

53:15

going on and what you want

53:18

to share just let people know

53:20

a little bit. I said evolutionary

53:23

it's coming from more the soul

53:25

but what is it? I know

53:27

I love it. I know every

53:30

time I hear someone Talk about

53:32

it or any books I think

53:34

I read a book years ago

53:37

evolutionary astrology is that Brian Green

53:39

is somebody green was a green

53:42

yeah Jeffrey wolf green yeah, but

53:44

what how would you characterize it?

53:46

Well I first I want to

53:49

you know level the playing field

53:51

because astrology works so all astrology

53:54

works. I don't want anybody to

53:56

think that there's only one or

53:58

two kinds of good astrology. All

54:01

astrology works. It really just depends

54:03

on what it is that you

54:05

want to take away from your

54:08

reading. And when I encounter Jeff

54:10

and his work, it just resonated

54:13

with me instantly. because it's about

54:15

the soul. It's about what we

54:17

have brought in with us. And

54:20

it I don't want to say

54:22

explains, because explains is a too

54:25

matter of fact, it reveals, I

54:27

guess, or exposes us to that

54:29

part of ourselves that we don't

54:32

really know about that's invisible, that

54:34

we have inferences to it, or

54:36

we've heard spiritual teachers talk about

54:39

it. but do we have a

54:41

direct experience with soul? And Jeffrey

54:44

opens up that doorway, he opens

54:46

up that connection in the chart

54:48

itself, so that the chart becomes

54:51

more, you know, yes, people come

54:53

and who am I going to

54:55

marry and what kind of career

54:58

should I look for, and you

55:00

know, do I want to have

55:03

children? Those are good questions. But

55:05

at some point in life, we

55:07

really want to understand. Right, we

55:10

want to go deeper, right, right.

55:12

And that's what evolutionary astrology does.

55:15

It doesn't, we already know the

55:17

what's. The people who come to

55:19

me for readings are not 16

55:22

and 17 years old unless their

55:24

mother suggested they do it for

55:26

their birthdays. They're all well on

55:29

in life. So they know the

55:31

what's, they know all about the

55:34

what's of their life. They want

55:36

to know the why. And so

55:38

that's the avenue that evolutionary astrology

55:41

walks on. You know, what's interesting

55:43

is, because I'm with you, I

55:46

love all types of astrology, archetypal,

55:48

you know, mix it all together,

55:50

but the why I think is

55:53

so important, and I think more

55:55

and more people at all ages,

55:57

younger ages, one I know the

56:00

why, you know. Why did I

56:02

come here? Why do I do

56:05

this? Why this? Why is this

56:07

happening or this aspect? What does

56:09

that mean? I think the why

56:12

gives us more motivation and inspiration.

56:14

our life. To me it gives

56:16

meaning. When I start understanding the

56:19

why, why I'm here, why I'm

56:21

doing what I'm doing, or need

56:24

to do what I'm doing, when

56:26

I understand the why, I do

56:28

feel more inspired and motivated. Yes,

56:31

yes. Yeah, well they're the questions

56:33

that we can't answer ourselves because

56:36

it's our karmic cycle that we're

56:38

in. It's what we're spinning around

56:40

in that keeps us going around

56:43

and often coming back to the

56:45

same place. And we ask why?

56:47

Why does it? Why do my

56:50

relationships keep, you know, coming in

56:52

and ending like this? Why do

56:55

I have trouble with this? Why

56:57

do I have trouble with that

56:59

person? It helps us work through

57:02

those parts of ourselves that we

57:04

just don't understand because it's really

57:07

what we're here to learn about.

57:09

So that's the flip side of

57:11

it. The lifetime to lifetime, we

57:14

move along a certain pathway trajectory

57:16

of learning about ourselves and learning

57:18

who we are and growing through

57:21

that process. We never go back.

57:23

We always go forward. We're not

57:26

going to go back and be

57:28

a dull, rapid, or a fish

57:30

or something like that. We're just

57:33

going to move on through another

57:35

human incarnation. But we're moving through

57:37

cycles of lessons. And those lessons

57:40

are the reason we're here and

57:42

the lessons are hard. It's, it's,

57:45

it's, you know, it's advanced chemistry.

57:47

It's, you know, for most of

57:49

us, just ford us. So, it,

57:52

that's why it's, it's, it's so

57:54

intensive and, and, and why it,

57:57

it's so attractive as well. What

57:59

do you think what, what you're

58:01

seeing coming up, some of our,

58:04

because you said lessons and bigger

58:06

lessons and bigger lessons, and bigger

58:08

lessons, and, I do find when

58:11

we have the outer planets very

58:13

active, you know, the transit, the

58:16

activations, that we do have big...

58:18

lessons, collective lessons, but collective lessons

58:20

that are affecting us also individually.

58:23

Are you, what are you seeing

58:25

in regards to that? Well, you

58:28

know, again, it's not judgmental because

58:30

wherever someone else is, whatever the

58:32

lessons are that they're working on,

58:35

we have probably or most likely

58:37

been there ourselves. We work through

58:39

in stages and Jeffrey describes different

58:42

states of consciousness because it's a

58:44

bad consciousness. The pathway itself is

58:47

increased awareness, increased consciousness. So you

58:49

know when we come up out

58:51

of the animal kingdom and the

58:54

animal kingdom it's all about survival.

58:56

The zebra that wanders away from

58:58

the herd is going to be

59:01

the one that the lioness takes

59:03

home to feed her cubs. So

59:06

we're herd mentality basically when we

59:08

start out in human form. and

59:10

we have to work our way

59:13

up from that. So you're saying

59:15

like is it oh is it

59:18

getting more resilience or strength? It's

59:20

getting it's getting more aware more

59:22

conscious and yet the resilience and

59:25

the strength comes along with that

59:27

as a byproduct that we that

59:29

we learn to bounce you know

59:32

bounce back. because we're all going

59:34

to get knocked down. Nobody gets

59:37

a free ride. Even people we

59:39

think that, you know, landed in

59:41

some soft easy space are having

59:44

lessons that we would probably not

59:46

choose if we had the choice.

59:49

So, you know, we have exactly

59:51

what we need, but we're all

59:53

moving along the same trajectory. We're

59:56

all on the same path. We're

59:58

just at different mile markers. And

1:00:00

where when we're becoming more awake,

1:00:03

aware, there's more consciousness. were becoming

1:00:05

more conscious. Where would you say,

1:00:08

what has to do with awareness?

1:00:10

Where does awareness could becoming more

1:00:12

aware come in? Well, when I

1:00:15

went to our emotional body, I

1:00:17

was a long-term smoker, Michelle. I

1:00:19

smoked for close to the first

1:00:22

30 years of my life and

1:00:24

everybody said, you don't smoke, stop

1:00:27

smoking. And I just, you know,

1:00:29

went and bought another pack of

1:00:31

cigarettes until one morning in February.

1:00:34

that I woke up and I

1:00:36

couldn't breathe and I thought I

1:00:39

wasn't going to see April. And

1:00:41

that experience itself made me realize

1:00:43

that I had to stop, but

1:00:46

I wasn't going to stop until

1:00:48

I had that emotional reaction. We

1:00:50

don't learn mentally, we learn emotionally.

1:00:53

We have to experience it for

1:00:55

ourselves. Nobody can tell us what

1:00:58

it is to bear a child,

1:01:00

what it is to grow up.

1:01:02

Those are things that we aren't

1:01:05

on our own. but we learn

1:01:07

it's more emotional body, not our

1:01:10

mental body. Yeah, boy, that's so

1:01:12

true because we can know something

1:01:14

intellectually and even go so far

1:01:17

as intellectualize it, but it's not

1:01:19

until the emotional body gets it.

1:01:21

We get it emotionally. Right. Even

1:01:24

that we could do the behavior

1:01:26

change, really doesn't come until we

1:01:29

have that emotional shift. Right. Exactly,

1:01:31

until we choose to change. Now

1:01:33

would you say when you're talking

1:01:36

about emotional or emotional base, would

1:01:38

there be a feeling to what,

1:01:40

to that, to the change happening

1:01:43

because you have a certain feeling

1:01:45

about something? Oh yeah, we're feeling,

1:01:48

you know, beings. We are or...

1:01:50

feelings. But what happens is that

1:01:52

we reach a point of no

1:01:55

return. It becomes a choiceless awareness.

1:01:57

We realize that whatever choices we

1:02:00

have been making are not working

1:02:02

it, not only are they not

1:02:04

working, but they're producing negative results.

1:02:07

So now it doesn't have to

1:02:09

go that distance. You know, sometimes

1:02:11

we see it earlier, sometimes we

1:02:14

don't see it earlier. It really

1:02:16

depends. But again, it's a function

1:02:19

of how difficult that climb is,

1:02:21

you know, up that hill. But

1:02:23

we're going to go up that

1:02:26

hill. There's no question. The thing

1:02:28

is, when we get to the

1:02:31

top of that mountain, we reach

1:02:33

the summit we look at, we

1:02:35

see this, not only one more

1:02:38

mountain beyond it, but two or

1:02:40

three. So, you know, again, you

1:02:42

know, this is a... It's an

1:02:45

end so, it's the zen symbol

1:02:47

of the unfinished circle. There's always

1:02:50

that gap. The circle never really

1:02:52

closes. Yeah. So what do you

1:02:54

see with the astrology that that,

1:02:57

because would it be pinpointing what

1:02:59

you're going through in that? Yes.

1:03:01

Oh, yes. Absolutely. It identifies it

1:03:04

specifically. And it not only identifies

1:03:06

it, but it also reveals the

1:03:09

path forward. It reveals what it

1:03:11

is that needs to be done

1:03:13

in order to grow through it

1:03:16

and move on. Yeah, so it's

1:03:18

almost reminding me like a, you

1:03:21

know, the opposition aspect in the

1:03:23

chart where you have that aware,

1:03:25

now you have the awareness, something

1:03:28

happens to bring in more awareness.

1:03:30

And now you can do something

1:03:32

with it because if you don't

1:03:35

have the awareness the pattern just

1:03:37

keeps You know, it's reactionary. It's

1:03:40

right under you know in the

1:03:42

subconscious that we're just keep reacting.

1:03:44

That's why I think everybody if

1:03:47

they could get their chart done

1:03:49

because you can really see you

1:03:52

know not on your patterns but

1:03:54

you know kind of how you're

1:03:56

you know even in a flexible

1:03:59

way because I do believe in

1:04:01

you know neuroplasticity and rewiring but

1:04:03

you kind of see your basic

1:04:06

wiring. Well that's exactly right. It's

1:04:08

kind of like if you go

1:04:11

to the doctor and you broke

1:04:13

your arm or something going on

1:04:15

you get an x-ray. Well it's

1:04:18

kind of like an x-ray where

1:04:20

you get to see below the

1:04:22

surface and you see what's really

1:04:25

going on so you know what

1:04:27

you're what you need to do

1:04:30

to fix it. I love my

1:04:32

bedroom. I love all parts of

1:04:34

my house. I love the kitchen

1:04:37

too. But I love Beckus in

1:04:39

bed, reading in bed, doing my

1:04:42

cards in, talking on the phone

1:04:44

in bed. And then one time

1:04:46

of this astrologer was saying, you

1:04:49

know, with Leber rising and, oh,

1:04:51

you know how we are, with

1:04:53

Pisces on the Six House cus,

1:04:56

or in the Six House, loving

1:04:58

our bed, our bedroom, and I'm

1:05:01

like, oh my God. That's because

1:05:03

all my friends are like, why

1:05:05

do you show, get up, do

1:05:08

this. And I'm like, I'm editing

1:05:10

right now, but I'm sitting dead

1:05:13

with my tea or my pillows

1:05:15

propped up, you know. So it

1:05:17

kind of makes sense, huh? But

1:05:20

it's so much more than that,

1:05:22

especially for you, because Pisces, is

1:05:24

a spirituality. It's the work. And,

1:05:27

you know, that's really who you

1:05:29

are. Yes, you are. I'm sure

1:05:32

you're wondering your breakfast in bed,

1:05:34

but you are the work that

1:05:36

you do. And, you know, so

1:05:39

prices in the six taxes is,

1:05:41

prices in Virgo, Virgo. People don't

1:05:43

think of Virgo as very spiritual,

1:05:46

but it's the polarity. So, you

1:05:48

know, Pisces is going up on

1:05:51

the mountain and, you know, you

1:05:53

know, getting the message, seeing God,

1:05:55

you know, however you want to

1:05:58

frame it. But Virgo is coming

1:06:00

back down to Earth and doing

1:06:03

the work, doing the work. My

1:06:05

moon's in the 8th in Tor,

1:06:07

so definitely... and yourness can, put

1:06:10

to conjug my son and yourness

1:06:12

can conjug my mercury. So I'm

1:06:14

definitely meant to do what I'm

1:06:17

doing, the channeler and, and you're

1:06:19

right, the routine. I need to

1:06:22

meditate, when I get up, you

1:06:24

know, I'll get up, whether early

1:06:26

or late, if enough, I get

1:06:29

up way early, I need to

1:06:31

commune with spirit, you know, in

1:06:34

the beginning, prayer, God, meditate, whatever,

1:06:36

and walk in nature, commune, you

1:06:38

know, pull back. Not have anyone

1:06:41

around do it. It's part of

1:06:43

my routine all you're right every

1:06:45

day all the time and sometimes

1:06:48

sometimes more times than other times

1:06:50

you know But yeah the ability

1:06:53

to Not only the ability the

1:06:55

need that it's part of my

1:06:57

routine It's my everyday living right

1:07:00

right I live I live I

1:07:02

live with somebody just like that

1:07:04

I'm very familiar with it Oh

1:07:07

good, yeah. Yeah, my art, my

1:07:09

creativity, all of that. It's ways

1:07:12

of commuting with spirit. And it's

1:07:14

funny because I have a dear

1:07:16

friend who has aries on the

1:07:19

Six House. And boy, let's go,

1:07:21

boom, up, up, up, go, go,

1:07:24

go, go, go, starting. And I

1:07:26

like to, you know, get flow

1:07:28

when I get. Oh, go, go,

1:07:31

go after 11 a.m. But before

1:07:33

then, I'm in my Pisae and

1:07:35

the flow state, you know. If

1:07:38

they have, if they have areas

1:07:40

in this sixth house, that means

1:07:43

they have Scorpio on the first

1:07:45

house. So they're, they're, they meet

1:07:47

the, they meet the world with

1:07:50

that power. There's, there's this atomic

1:07:52

energy within them that never goes

1:07:55

out. They're, they're constantly, constantly energized

1:07:57

and empowering. So, yes. And when

1:07:59

I visit, I remind, when I,

1:08:02

when I, sometimes I travel, I'll

1:08:04

go visit. I'm like, Pisces on

1:08:06

the sixth, Aries on the sixth,

1:08:09

you do know, and I do

1:08:11

me, you know, because I think

1:08:14

sometimes too with astrology, where I

1:08:16

can find it can also be

1:08:18

really helpful because sometimes people think,

1:08:21

well, why am I not doing

1:08:23

this? Well, why don't I do

1:08:25

it this way? and understanding maybe

1:08:28

they're Mars or whatever, house placement,

1:08:30

house placement, I put a lot

1:08:33

of stock into that, what's on

1:08:35

the cusp or in the house,

1:08:37

because like you said, we're not

1:08:40

all wired exactly the same. You

1:08:42

know, we have a different flow,

1:08:45

different individual flow, and I do

1:08:47

find that it's very empowering to

1:08:49

know what that is and to

1:08:52

honor that. I can deviate, believe

1:08:54

me, I've done that before where

1:08:56

I go, go, go, go, go,

1:08:59

go, go, but I definitely have

1:09:01

to redirect. The difference is that

1:09:04

it's not just the sign that's

1:09:06

on the cusp, it's the planet

1:09:08

that rules that sign in your

1:09:11

chart. So it's, you know, prices

1:09:13

are always going to have a

1:09:15

Neptune influence, but what if, but

1:09:18

what if, what if Neptune is

1:09:20

in, in areas? Okay, so it

1:09:23

changes everything. Yes, that's true. That's

1:09:25

so true that, yeah, that's very

1:09:27

true. The planetary, but yeah, it

1:09:30

all fits in. It all fits

1:09:32

in together. So you have to,

1:09:35

you always. You always have to

1:09:37

look at that. That's what makes

1:09:39

you different, you know, than the

1:09:42

people who were in your high

1:09:44

school, you know, math class. You

1:09:46

all had outer planets the same,

1:09:49

but you didn't all have the

1:09:51

inner planets as the rule, perhaps

1:09:54

as the rulers of those outer

1:09:56

planets in the same sign. Yeah.

1:09:58

Right. Yeah. I remember back in

1:10:01

the day when I was like

1:10:03

modeling, traveling around the world, we

1:10:06

were clubbing, you know, go to

1:10:08

dinners and club. And I that

1:10:10

day of that week usually had

1:10:13

ordered something or went to a

1:10:15

metaphysical bookstore and I had my

1:10:17

car and I would be leaving

1:10:20

early now early it could be

1:10:22

two o'clock in the morning and

1:10:25

people were going on. Sometimes people

1:10:27

I remember one time this group

1:10:29

of people this group of people

1:10:32

this what I can't remember the

1:10:34

guy's name and the mean I

1:10:36

think he and he said oh

1:10:39

and I said I'm going home

1:10:41

now guys and all I can

1:10:44

think my girlfriend knew me they're

1:10:46

like Michelle's gonna go diving or

1:10:48

her her her her cards and

1:10:51

books and And they're like, oh,

1:10:53

Michelle's going home. I said, that's

1:10:56

right, because I got a new

1:10:58

tarot deck and I'm going to

1:11:00

be reading this book. I got

1:11:03

it. I was like, you know,

1:11:05

having a good time, but all

1:11:07

the while, a dinner, you know,

1:11:10

going out dancing and while I'm

1:11:12

dancing, I have in my thought,

1:11:15

God, I can't wait to get

1:11:17

into that book. Oh, I have

1:11:19

to open that deck. You know,

1:11:22

that was my big highlight. to

1:11:25

go dive into this, you know,

1:11:27

you guys go out later. Yeah,

1:11:30

it's just funny how, you know,

1:11:32

how, I don't know, this is

1:11:34

the individuality that we have come

1:11:36

in with. And I do feel

1:11:39

that part of this new, you

1:11:41

know, paradigm shift is understanding that

1:11:43

more within ourselves and, you know,

1:11:46

I'm savoring that and sharing that.

1:11:48

It's more about the individual. I

1:11:50

don't know what your thoughts are

1:11:53

on that or what you're seeing

1:11:55

in the astrology, but yes, there's

1:11:57

a lot about the collective and

1:12:00

community and group. But I also

1:12:02

feel that there's a lot about

1:12:04

also individual, the individual proclivities and

1:12:07

lights. Of course. Yeah, yeah, for

1:12:09

sure. Hey Black Dragon Radio in

1:12:11

the chat, good to see you.

1:12:14

Good to see everyone in the

1:12:16

chat. You have any questions. Just

1:12:18

type it in or you can

1:12:20

also call in if you have

1:12:23

a question lars in the chat.

1:12:25

Good to see you. I

1:12:29

do love the chat on

1:12:31

here. I'm going to tell

1:12:33

you it's a lot easier.

1:12:35

A lot easier. Okay, there

1:12:37

we go. Yeah. So Daniel,

1:12:40

last time you were on,

1:12:42

I don't think Pluto had,

1:12:44

I think it did a

1:12:46

little toe tap and Aquarius

1:12:48

and then retrograted back and

1:12:51

now here we are. Yeah,

1:12:53

it's back for good for

1:12:55

a while anyway. Yeah. So

1:12:58

you're, you're, you're, are you

1:13:00

an L.A.? Yeah, not near

1:13:03

the, I mean, I'm, I

1:13:05

have friends and clients, I

1:13:07

hate to say, and, um,

1:13:09

some colleagues affected. I'm just

1:13:12

getting a lot of the,

1:13:14

um, the air quality, unfortunately,

1:13:16

that's not, it's not, it's

1:13:18

not good, because I'm near

1:13:21

the beach, I'm south, near

1:13:23

the beach. And so everything,

1:13:25

you know, you know, ashes,

1:13:27

everything is floating. down here.

1:13:30

Unfortunately. My heart goes out

1:13:32

to you. It's unspeakable. Unimaginable.

1:13:34

Yeah, we talked about the

1:13:36

beginning of the podcast. Maybe

1:13:39

I called in. The thing

1:13:41

is I feel okay. I

1:13:43

mean, there's places that I

1:13:45

can go where there's better

1:13:48

air. Well, I'm going to

1:13:50

see the bunnies and the

1:13:52

bird sanctuary. Good. It's good.

1:13:54

So I'm able to get

1:13:57

out. I just can't do

1:13:59

too much around my house

1:14:01

because of the weather, you

1:14:03

know. but their quality and

1:14:06

such but this this too

1:14:08

shall pass yeah I mean

1:14:10

they needed there needs to

1:14:12

be I mean I really

1:14:15

what I what kind of

1:14:17

what really angers me in

1:14:19

this though is that it

1:14:21

didn't have to be this

1:14:24

bad or extreme there's a

1:14:26

lot of negligence that's involved

1:14:28

financially and through and through

1:14:30

certain you know bills propositions

1:14:33

laws focuses but isn't it

1:14:35

true it'll need it to

1:14:37

surface well that's yeah eventually

1:14:39

I mean that's I mean

1:14:42

that conversation will happen it

1:14:44

might be too soon but

1:14:46

yeah I think on the

1:14:48

other side it's going to

1:14:51

be good yeah look at

1:14:53

those things I'm just sorry

1:14:56

I just feel empathetically, not

1:14:58

guilty of that, just pull,

1:15:00

it's a heart string that

1:15:02

had to get this extreme,

1:15:04

which unfortunately, humans, human nature,

1:15:07

they always, a lot of

1:15:09

people need the root awakening,

1:15:11

you know. Well, this is

1:15:13

what I was talking about

1:15:15

in the beginning. This, you

1:15:17

know, this is the collective

1:15:20

karma. You know, it's not

1:15:22

even just 400 years, it's

1:15:24

6,000 years. It's so intense.

1:15:26

I mean, you know, when

1:15:28

this all started, I had

1:15:31

to get my bus ticket

1:15:33

out of my pocket and

1:15:35

look to see if I

1:15:37

was on the right bus.

1:15:39

But unfortunately, it's what needed

1:15:41

needs to happen because it's

1:15:44

not going. The way things

1:15:46

are going is not in

1:15:48

the direction they need to

1:15:50

go. And it's interesting too.

1:15:52

There's something. And again, I

1:15:54

want to call it not

1:15:57

everyone of this illness. like

1:15:59

that but there is a

1:16:01

certain group that usually has

1:16:03

more power and influence and

1:16:05

definitely money and it's not

1:16:08

all of them but I

1:16:10

have seen this in my

1:16:12

travels and where I've lived

1:16:14

and jet setting and aristocracy

1:16:16

and Ali I have seen

1:16:18

that that group they need

1:16:21

but usually a bigger boom

1:16:23

for that they get you

1:16:25

know, kind of question things.

1:16:27

And some of it obviously

1:16:29

is because why change things

1:16:31

if there were, if it's

1:16:34

comfortable, even if it's not

1:16:36

the right thing, you know,

1:16:38

it's hard to, hard to

1:16:40

course correct. So I agree

1:16:42

with you, I think that

1:16:45

we're gonna, I think a

1:16:47

lot of this we're gonna

1:16:49

have some good leaders in

1:16:51

the true sense of leadership

1:16:53

and maybe people. you know,

1:16:55

stepping up more into their

1:16:58

power or, it's almost like

1:17:00

I always use this example

1:17:02

that mothers against drunk drivers,

1:17:04

how, you know, it's so

1:17:06

horrible to go through that,

1:17:08

but then they organize or

1:17:11

the one woman, I don't

1:17:13

remember who it is, it's

1:17:15

been so long. But out

1:17:17

of that anger or righteous

1:17:19

indignation, something very productive comes

1:17:22

out of it. And It

1:17:24

doesn't take away the loss,

1:17:26

it doesn't take away the

1:17:28

tragedy, and wishing that it

1:17:30

didn't, that's my thought, I

1:17:32

just wish it didn't have

1:17:35

to be so extreme, but

1:17:37

it is. It is. But

1:17:39

maybe it does, it's a

1:17:41

hard thing to get wrapped

1:17:43

around, but obviously it's what

1:17:46

it needed. I mean, it's

1:17:48

happening. We can't denial with

1:17:50

what we're seeing, and you

1:17:52

know, in front of our

1:17:54

eyes, as unimaginable as unimaginable

1:17:56

as it is. So, but

1:17:59

it's all going to get

1:18:01

better, but. You know, for

1:18:03

my perspective, this is Eris

1:18:05

as much as Pluto, and

1:18:07

I've been writing about, you

1:18:09

know, I'm writing about, you

1:18:12

know, I'm writing. I was

1:18:14

wondering if you thought it

1:18:16

was Pluto, some people thought

1:18:18

it was Mars, the Leo

1:18:20

Mars. It's all of them.

1:18:23

It's all of them together,

1:18:25

but it's Eris in particular.

1:18:27

You know, I'm writing a

1:18:29

book about Eris, and I'm

1:18:31

really close to finishing my

1:18:33

manuscript. And one of the

1:18:36

things that I have discovered,

1:18:38

you know, I correlated to

1:18:40

the chart for the United

1:18:42

States. Some of the worst.

1:18:44

And what I'm seeing is

1:18:46

that over, beginning in 2026,

1:18:49

which is next year, through

1:18:51

2030, they're going to be

1:18:53

nine, listen, nine exact squares

1:18:55

from Eris to U.S. Tudo.

1:18:57

Wow. Let's talk a little

1:19:00

bit about Eris. Well, Eris

1:19:02

is a game changer. When

1:19:04

she was discovered, the International

1:19:06

Astronomical Union had to actually

1:19:08

re-figure, re-understand, rename what it

1:19:10

is to be a planet.

1:19:13

It hadn't been done since

1:19:15

Galileo. The definition of a

1:19:17

planet from Galileo was a

1:19:19

wanderer through the sky and

1:19:21

that was it. And since

1:19:23

they have found all the

1:19:26

outer planets really beginning back

1:19:28

with Neptune at the end

1:19:30

of the last century and

1:19:32

then Uranus and then Pluto

1:19:34

finally, it's a whole long

1:19:37

story, a planet X and

1:19:39

Percival Lowell. Well, that's another

1:19:41

thing I've been writing about.

1:19:43

They're looking for. They believe.

1:19:45

They actually think they have

1:19:47

added this time. Mike Brand

1:19:50

and the team up at

1:19:52

Palomar actually think that they

1:19:54

had. but it's the universe

1:19:56

is so large and these

1:19:58

outer planets are so far

1:20:01

away that they're discovering and

1:20:03

moves so slowly that it

1:20:05

takes them literally years to

1:20:07

do the scans and correct

1:20:09

all the data but but

1:20:11

they see the aberrations in

1:20:14

the other planets they see

1:20:16

how how one planet is

1:20:18

behaving in a certain way

1:20:20

that's peculiar and so they're

1:20:22

able to do so that

1:20:24

you know what is causing

1:20:27

this aberration the gravity. So

1:20:29

that's how they have found

1:20:31

all these, what they're called,

1:20:33

a trans-Neptunian planet out there's

1:20:35

Neptune. See, I didn't realize

1:20:38

Aris was a planet. I

1:20:40

thought it was a... Oh,

1:20:42

yeah. Aris... Aris was actually

1:20:44

classified as a planet and

1:20:46

then, or actually a minor

1:20:48

planet, and Pluto was demoted.

1:20:51

to a minor planet. You

1:20:53

can imagine how that we

1:20:55

have that filth, or what

1:20:57

people, I mean, get real,

1:20:59

you know, get out of

1:21:01

town. So, but, Eris is

1:21:04

important and I'll explain, she

1:21:06

was responsible for this reclassification

1:21:08

itself because they didn't know

1:21:10

what to do with her.

1:21:12

So they sat down and

1:21:15

they created a set of

1:21:17

rules and she happened to

1:21:19

fit all those conditions. and

1:21:21

the poodle was the same

1:21:23

so the two of them

1:21:25

became what are known as

1:21:28

minor planets but she's not

1:21:30

minor anything because just by

1:21:32

just by her discovery she

1:21:34

upset the world of astrology

1:21:36

and astronomy together. She's a

1:21:38

game-changer. There's a connection like

1:21:41

brotherhood sisterhood or something between

1:21:43

heiress and aries. So everybody

1:21:45

on the planet right now

1:21:47

has Aris and Aries. She's

1:21:49

been in Aries since 1927

1:21:52

and she's going to be

1:21:54

there until 2053. So everybody's

1:21:56

got Aris and Aries. when

1:21:58

he was when he was

1:22:00

first ingressed hearies back in

1:22:02

the 20s you know you

1:22:05

know the history the the

1:22:07

stop market crash World War

1:22:09

two the rise of fascism

1:22:11

all that occurred at the

1:22:13

ingress back in the 20s

1:22:15

and 30s that's how that's how

1:22:18

she came in really came into

1:22:20

our world so she's quite

1:22:22

important and it's I've been

1:22:24

fascinated by her since I

1:22:26

discovered since I discovered But

1:22:28

to get back to what

1:22:30

I was saying is, Ellis

1:22:32

has been squaring Pluto by transit.

1:22:35

Pluto in the sky and Eris

1:22:37

in the sky have been in

1:22:39

a 90 degree angle for a

1:22:41

number of years now. And it

1:22:44

started just before Donald

1:22:46

Trump was elected. I

1:22:48

don't want to get political.

1:22:50

But it's COVID happened.

1:22:52

The January 6th capital riot

1:22:55

happened. All these things

1:22:57

have happened under this. square

1:22:59

between Erris and Pluto. Well,

1:23:02

transiting a back of

1:23:04

a man in Pluto was

1:23:06

in Capricorn in 1776

1:23:08

when the country was founded.

1:23:11

And Pluto is back

1:23:13

in Capricorn. It has been

1:23:15

there through this square. It's

1:23:18

eries to Capricorn. For starters,

1:23:20

this particular eris in Eris

1:23:23

and Eris and Pluto and

1:23:25

Capricorn hasn't happened to 2,600

1:23:28

years this particular combination. So

1:23:30

it's the transit itself to

1:23:33

transit Pluto is moving out

1:23:35

of orb, but because in

1:23:38

the chart of the United

1:23:40

States, Pluto does it move,

1:23:42

the Eris is going to be

1:23:44

squaring the U.S. Pluto for another

1:23:47

20 years. and beginning and it

1:23:49

has moved kind of back

1:23:51

and forth it goes retrograde

1:23:53

and stations once a year

1:23:55

every six months. So it

1:23:57

doesn't move very fast over

1:23:59

time. So it's taken her a

1:24:01

long time to move out of

1:24:04

this square to Pluto. So the

1:24:06

point being is that from

1:24:08

2026 next year to 2030,

1:24:10

the square is going to

1:24:12

finally perfect to the Pluto

1:24:14

in the United States charts nine

1:24:17

times. And we're already seeing it.

1:24:19

We're already experiencing this. This

1:24:21

is what's happening. I see

1:24:23

Irish as really one of

1:24:25

the key players and it's

1:24:27

no surprise to me that the

1:24:29

other player is Pluto. And now

1:24:32

we've got Aquarius, Uranus, and

1:24:34

Aquarius, the age of Aquarius

1:24:36

is not going to be

1:24:38

a bunch of hippies running

1:24:40

around in central parks singing songs.

1:24:42

This is the age of Aquarius.

1:24:45

We're seeing what it really

1:24:47

is going to look like.

1:24:49

We weren't prepared for it.

1:24:51

We were all imagining, you

1:24:53

know, some great evolution that's going

1:24:55

to wake up with mourning and

1:24:58

there's going to be candy

1:25:00

canes growing, you know, under

1:25:02

the palm trees. It's not...

1:25:04

Don't forget, I didn't think

1:25:06

that, and I don't know if

1:25:08

that's because of my guides, you

1:25:10

know, the spiritual hierarchy, but

1:25:12

I think we all kind

1:25:14

of like to forget the

1:25:16

work, the in-between state. We

1:25:18

know where we start, and we

1:25:21

know where we want to go,

1:25:23

or we see the result,

1:25:25

but what's in between. Right.

1:25:27

The change part, the disruption,

1:25:29

the, you know, the, the,

1:25:31

the bear ball, you know, what

1:25:34

you, what you actually have

1:25:36

to do, you know, the,

1:25:38

the, the, kind of the

1:25:40

action steps or what, what's

1:25:42

the way, what, the work. Yeah,

1:25:44

exactly, exactly, Daniel, work. That's so

1:25:47

true. Now, let me ask

1:25:49

you, okay, is, I heard

1:25:51

this before, but maybe I

1:25:53

misheard it. Okay, so is

1:25:55

heres. What I've heard some people

1:25:57

say, well, like, it's the female

1:25:59

aries or the feminine aries.

1:26:01

I see it as the

1:26:03

feminine Pluto. Oh, Pluto. Okay.

1:26:05

feminine, feminine, Pluto. She's a

1:26:07

mate, she's actually a little bit

1:26:10

larger and there's a lot of,

1:26:12

there's a lot of, her

1:26:14

energy is the same. She's

1:26:16

this very dynamic, aggressive, but

1:26:18

her aggression is not, is

1:26:20

not destructive in a sense of

1:26:23

just being destructive. Her aggression is

1:26:25

to change things. Her most

1:26:27

famous mythology is that she's

1:26:29

blamed for the start of

1:26:31

the, and I think I

1:26:33

may have talked about this, about

1:26:36

the Trojan War, and has she

1:26:38

instituted a, instigated a contest

1:26:40

between the three goddesses, Hera

1:26:42

Aphrodite and, well, my missing,

1:26:44

Herra, Aphina. and Hera at

1:26:46

a wedding by throwing a golden

1:26:48

apple into the wedding party and

1:26:51

saying who's the fairest. And

1:26:53

make a long story short,

1:26:55

she caused the contest was

1:26:57

decided by Paris who's the

1:26:59

son of the king of Troy

1:27:01

and Paris is another questionable

1:27:03

figure in mythology. get it

1:27:05

to him psychologically and another

1:27:07

whole talk. He's jealous of

1:27:09

his older brother Hector who got

1:27:12

all the praise, who was a

1:27:14

big warrior. Anyway, he ran

1:27:16

off to the prize that

1:27:18

he won that was awarded

1:27:20

to him for choosing one

1:27:22

of the goddesses was Helen of

1:27:25

Troy. Well, Helen Troy was married

1:27:27

to the king of Sparta

1:27:29

and Sparta is a war

1:27:31

like city state. So guess

1:27:33

what happened? First of all,

1:27:35

there was a treaty that was

1:27:37

drawn at the wedding of Helen

1:27:40

and her. King, or Spartan

1:27:42

King's husband, that if anyone

1:27:44

should interfere, you know, any

1:27:46

of the Trojan should interfere,

1:27:48

there would be war. Well, she

1:27:50

knew that. She was really, she

1:27:53

was a piece of work.

1:27:55

And so she ran off

1:27:57

Detroit with her boy toy

1:27:59

and the Trojan war began.

1:28:01

So, you know, Ellis got blamed

1:28:03

for that because she started the

1:28:06

contest that got the whole,

1:28:08

literally got the ball rolling,

1:28:10

but Eris was not responsible

1:28:12

was Helen. And I said

1:28:14

this, you know, some women hold

1:28:16

me, you know, up to,

1:28:18

you know, for conjecture that

1:28:20

you, they think that it's

1:28:22

kind of, you know, masculine,

1:28:24

you know, it's not that she

1:28:26

was, she was, she was bad.

1:28:29

And no two ways about

1:28:31

it. What was she doing

1:28:33

running off with Paris? But

1:28:35

anyway, and in the end,

1:28:37

she betrayed him. So, sorry. Well,

1:28:39

you're explaining something, well, I want

1:28:42

to go back to something

1:28:44

you said because I started

1:28:46

seeing a few years ago,

1:28:48

and I'm seeing it more

1:28:50

and more, and I'm in the,

1:28:52

my workshops, I've talked about this,

1:28:55

my clients, and almost like

1:28:57

in a, in a kind

1:28:59

of inspired but feverish urgency

1:29:01

and you got to get

1:29:03

this kind of way. I started

1:29:05

seeing this part of the soul

1:29:07

coming through an aspect that

1:29:09

was much more forceful and

1:29:11

I didn't have words you

1:29:13

just articulated I've used a

1:29:15

lot of words and paragraphs and

1:29:18

sentences like a stronger aggressive assert

1:29:20

kind of like you know

1:29:22

exploratory back in the like.

1:29:24

What do you want to

1:29:26

gold rush days making things

1:29:28

happen? And I'm like, this part

1:29:31

of the psyche has to come

1:29:33

through for the new paradigm

1:29:35

because it's what gets us

1:29:37

through. It's how to navigate.

1:29:39

You're going to want to

1:29:41

get things done. You're going to

1:29:43

want to make things happen.

1:29:46

And I was seeing this

1:29:48

part and my client. it's

1:29:50

funny because some of them

1:29:52

heard me and then all of

1:29:54

a sudden they'd be like, oh,

1:29:56

this part of me is,

1:29:58

I'm feeling this way, I'm

1:30:00

doing this, I'm, whoa, you

1:30:02

know, and they're like, oh,

1:30:04

this is coming through, I can

1:30:07

feel this energy. And some of

1:30:09

them like six months a

1:30:11

year ago, some of them

1:30:13

it's just happening now, but

1:30:15

they're definitely, and I saw

1:30:17

it also, it could have been

1:30:20

an earlier part that just didn't

1:30:22

get, you know, reinforced and

1:30:24

supported or we would just

1:30:26

didn't have the right time

1:30:28

in our life, you know,

1:30:30

collectively. I'm wondering, because there's always

1:30:32

an archetypal component planetarily that to

1:30:35

everything, you know, how do

1:30:37

you want to look look

1:30:39

at that? I want, when

1:30:41

you said that about ERAS

1:30:43

and you were describing, I'm like,

1:30:45

that's the energy that I've been

1:30:48

seeing come through. Even myself,

1:30:50

I'm like, Michelle, you're go

1:30:52

girl, you're getting this done,

1:30:54

you know, it's like, and

1:30:56

so many people are kind of

1:30:58

waking up to this energy within

1:31:01

them, it's just little by

1:31:03

little coming out, coming out,

1:31:05

but not having the words,

1:31:07

it's like, almost like, that's

1:31:09

not usually how I am, or

1:31:11

that's not usually me, and

1:31:13

it's like they're getting more

1:31:15

comfortable with this archetypal energy

1:31:17

coming through. Right. I just

1:31:19

had to say that because when

1:31:21

you were describing heiress, I'm like,

1:31:24

that's what I've been seeing

1:31:26

and feeling and I'm like,

1:31:28

because my client did ask

1:31:30

me, well, where is this

1:31:32

coming from? I'm like, I don't

1:31:34

know, part of the soul. I

1:31:37

don't know, new aspect. I

1:31:39

don't know. But I'm seeing

1:31:41

it come out more and

1:31:43

more and it's very get

1:31:45

things done. But to your ground

1:31:47

assertive energy. Rogue. Yeah.

1:31:49

Yeah. Rogue. She's rogue. So

1:31:52

talk a little bit more.

1:31:54

I'm definitely going to tell

1:31:56

my. patron peeps to listen

1:31:58

to this because you're describing,

1:32:00

I think it's going to

1:32:02

be helpful. And again, these

1:32:04

planetary energies come through when

1:32:07

you think of like, you

1:32:09

know, photography or different things.

1:32:11

And you said to your

1:32:13

point, as a collective, it's

1:32:15

kind of like a map

1:32:17

or a heads up of

1:32:20

the collective energy, the new

1:32:22

learning, the new way of

1:32:24

expressing what we're integrating. So

1:32:26

that's why I love archeotypal,

1:32:28

working archety so much. It

1:32:30

sounds like this energy to

1:32:33

get us through. That was

1:32:35

the message I had to

1:32:37

get us through what we

1:32:39

need to get through. We

1:32:41

need this energy. We need

1:32:43

to integrate and allow this

1:32:45

energy. Right. Somebody's got to

1:32:48

punch a hole in the

1:32:50

dam. you know can be

1:32:52

can be exercised correctly or

1:32:54

incorrectly and you know it

1:32:56

was we seeing it all

1:32:58

around us every day but

1:33:01

the other meek mild meeky

1:33:03

meek people even myself that

1:33:05

are that are kind of

1:33:07

like just holding the ground

1:33:09

and it's like people are

1:33:11

literally being like shocked you

1:33:14

know like oh I held

1:33:16

my ground yeah remember the

1:33:18

movie network where I don't

1:33:20

remember the actor, he threw

1:33:22

the window open, he stuck

1:33:24

his saddle, he said I'm

1:33:26

mad as hell and I'm

1:33:29

not taking it anymore. Oh

1:33:31

yes, that famous famous scene,

1:33:33

there's so many memes on

1:33:35

that. Is that kind of

1:33:37

the heiress energy? Is that?

1:33:39

Yes, yes. That's how we

1:33:42

feel. And it's what I'm

1:33:44

describing. We reach this point

1:33:46

of no return. Well we

1:33:48

cannot make the same choices

1:33:50

anymore because, you know, stupidity

1:33:52

is... you know making the

1:33:54

same choice and expecting it

1:33:57

to get a different outcome.

1:33:59

We have to we have

1:34:01

to have to go in

1:34:03

a different direction and we're

1:34:05

being forced to do it

1:34:07

but unfortunately it's painful for

1:34:10

a lot of us and

1:34:12

for right now especially where

1:34:14

you are you were seeing

1:34:16

that physical pain of loss

1:34:18

and you know unimaginable you

1:34:20

know pain it's just it's

1:34:23

unfathomable to imagine having to

1:34:25

experience that. Wow,

1:34:27

it makes sense why we

1:34:29

need this energy planetarily or

1:34:31

on the plan in the

1:34:33

you know world and within

1:34:35

us To make these changes

1:34:37

we have to get it.

1:34:40

It's so is this like

1:34:42

an into complacency? It's yes,

1:34:44

yes, because we we it's

1:34:46

about security. We don't we

1:34:48

don't change because even if

1:34:50

what we are doing is

1:34:52

not making us as happy

1:34:54

or as comfortable as we

1:34:57

think we want to be,

1:34:59

we know the pain. It's

1:35:01

known pain and we've either

1:35:03

buried it or we've come

1:35:05

to terms with it. Change

1:35:07

means taking on some pain

1:35:09

that we are unaware of

1:35:11

and that's scary. This is

1:35:14

the moon. This is the

1:35:16

sign of cancer where we

1:35:18

want to, we are so

1:35:20

involved and engaged with our

1:35:22

security that we don't want

1:35:24

to change. because it's safe.

1:35:26

Safety is more important than

1:35:28

growth. Yeah. But it sounds

1:35:31

like by what you're saying

1:35:33

that that's changing. It's, it's,

1:35:35

it's, it's, we're going to

1:35:37

make it change. We're going

1:35:39

to make it. Well, that's

1:35:41

the other wake-up call, right?

1:35:43

We've got, we're the ones

1:35:45

that have to make a

1:35:48

change. It's a forced march.

1:35:50

Yeah. Yeah,

1:35:54

it's forced, but yet there's a

1:35:56

part that wants to do this