In this episode, Josselyne Herman-Saccio interviews Mel Wymore, an award-winning community activist and social justice pioneer. Mel discusses the importance of systems transformation and designing new systems to create positive change. He emphasizes the need to move from reacting to existing problems to designing solutions that work for everyone. The conversation also touches on the topics of gender expression and equality, the power of measuring and keeping one's word, and the importance of having a vision and designing a plan to fulfill it. Mel shares his vision of creating a game that promotes inclusivity and access to education in middle schools worldwide. 

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