0:03

That's very important. We have to traumatize a

0:05

woman in order to truly give everyone the

0:08

Andrew Tate experience. Let's just open the episodes

0:10

with that. Everyone will love that. Sophie, welcome

0:12

back to being on camera. Yeah,

0:21

I'm finally back up in my

0:23

office. I can finally walk back up the

0:25

stairs and half the plants up here did

0:27

not survive the surgery. And

0:29

I'm really, really pissed about

0:31

it. Yeah. You

0:34

know, a lot of people don't

0:36

survive surgery. Good luck if you're

0:38

going into surgery. Jesus.

0:42

I know I'm having a horrible horrible

0:44

introductions this week. Jesus. You

0:46

do kind of look like a poet today. You're

0:48

giving poet energy. Sophie, I

0:50

am a poet. Thank you very much. A

0:53

poet of people who

0:55

really suck ass. That's

0:57

the kind of poet I am. Much

1:00

like Yeats. I

1:02

really don't like when you're

1:04

mean to yourself. Oh, no,

1:06

no, no, I'm just I'm just I'm just

1:08

watching that Falcon unable to hear the Falcon

1:10

or gyres are widening all that good shit.

1:13

It's like I'm just handing out treats

1:15

to my dogs. Yeah, it's like

1:17

when somebody's mean to one of my

1:19

dogs, I can't stomach it. It's

1:21

not all right. Also, Ian's here.

1:23

Hi, Ian. Hi, Ian. How are you

1:25

doing today? Welcome. I'm pretty good. Welcome to

1:27

walking into us being weird. I'm

1:29

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1:31

for the next hour or so.

1:34

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1:36

Goodness, you should be. We all

1:38

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1:40

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1:42

and Andrew Uptate. I hate every time

1:44

I say that and I still

1:46

keep saying it. You sent me

1:48

multiple files. Yeah, I

1:50

did. Well, because I edited it when

1:52

some new shit came out because stuff

1:54

keeps coming out about this motherfucker. I

1:57

unfortunately sent you some horrifying stuff. Yeah, you

1:59

sent me a thing right as I was

2:01

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2:03

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2:05

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2:09

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2:11

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2:13

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2:15

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2:17

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2:19

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we're gonna be answering the question. What's

5:21

new with Andrew Tate? Cuz you've probably heard

5:23

a lot of confusing stories and I

5:25

I think people who are just kind of

5:27

like casually Looking at the coverage are

5:29

like, oh wait, he's out of jail now

5:31

or the charges dropped. He's back in

5:33

the US Wait, is he under investigation in

5:35

the US? What's happening? We're

5:37

gonna get into all that. I'm gonna

5:39

explain exactly what's happened. What's happening with with

5:41

the man And then in

5:43

part two, we're going to talk a

5:46

lot about some new stuff that's come out

5:48

about things that were happening, you know,

5:50

during the last episodes we wrote, but that

5:52

we didn't know because there have been

5:54

a bunch of leaks from his website since.

5:56

So this is all important information that

5:58

does kind of change my understanding of how

6:00

this guy operates and what's actually going

6:02

on behind the scenes. But let's start with,

6:04

like, what the fuck's going on right

6:06

now and what's been going on since we

6:08

talked about him last. So when we

6:10

left. Montsuite Tate back in 2022. No,

6:13

give him that. He

6:16

had been arrested and jailed

6:18

and then released to house arrest.

6:21

And in the two years since, simultaneously very

6:23

little has changed and at the same

6:25

time quite a lot has. Let's

6:28

start with just a little bit of an

6:30

overview of what went down. Andrew, age 36,

6:32

and Tristan, age 34 at the time were

6:34

both arrested on December 29th, 2022. They'd

6:37

moved to Romania in 2016 and had drawn

6:39

attention from the authorities for trafficking women and

6:41

forming an organized crime ring to do so.

6:43

Investigators identified seven women who alleged that they

6:45

had been forced to perform sex acts

6:47

on camera for the Tate's financial gain. One

6:49

of the women accused Andrew of having

6:51

raped her twice in March of 2022. Another

6:54

woman acclaimed a Tate associate had used

6:56

violence to force her to stay in their

6:58

compound after she attempted to leave. Both

7:00

brothers were locked up in a Romanian

7:02

prison for about three months. While they

7:04

were incarcerated, Dicott, the Romanian

7:06

federal agency devoted to organized crime,

7:09

who was handling this case, towed away

7:11

a bunch of their luxury cars

7:13

and seized almost $4 million in assets.

7:16

Ultimately, they were released to house at

7:18

rest, and then nothing seemed to

7:20

happen for quite a while. Andrew continued

7:22

posting on Twitter and he guested

7:24

remotely in podcasts from his compound in

7:26

Romania. Brightwing figures would fly to

7:28

Romania and visit him and put him on

7:30

their various shows. It wasn't

7:32

until June of 2023 that

7:35

Tate was formally indicted. He

7:37

and his brother and two Romanian women

7:39

were charged with forming an organized criminal

7:41

group in 2021 and orchestrating a campaign

7:43

of human trafficking in three different countries.

7:45

He was also charged with rape. So

7:47

there's a significant gap. between, you know,

7:49

December of 2022 when he was initially

7:51

arrested and then a few months later,

7:54

house arrest started, but it wasn't until

7:56

June of the next year of 2023

7:58

that he actually gets indicted for anything.

8:00

And that is going to be a

8:02

sign that the actual case around this

8:04

is messy. And it's not messy because

8:06

there's not a bunch of evidence of

8:08

fucked up shit Andrew did. It's messy

8:10

in part because the Romanian justice system,

8:12

not the best in the world, right?

8:16

Romanian criminal investigations don't always have

8:18

their P's and Q's put

8:20

together here. So the mass

8:22

of coverage around the indictments and allegations

8:24

led to a flood of additional

8:26

allegations from women who had been abused

8:28

by Andrew back home in the

8:30

UK. I'm going to quote from the New York

8:32

Times here. In March, this is

8:34

2023, the Romanian authorities

8:36

arrested the Tates again after Britain said

8:38

it was pursuing them over separate

8:40

accusations related to sexual crimes and exploitation

8:42

in that country. A Bucharest court

8:44

ruled soon afterward that they would be

8:46

extradited to Britain to face those

8:48

charges after legal proceedings conclude in Romania.

8:51

And this is still the way things are, right? There

8:54

is that cases continuing to build.

8:56

UK authorities have expressed being very

8:58

bullish on prosecuting the Tates. And

9:01

as things stand, once the investigation,

9:03

it's kind of, it might, the

9:05

Why are they bullish? because

9:08

they think they've got, they have a

9:10

good case. And the UK has a

9:13

functional criminal justice system somewhat. They're

9:15

prosecutors who know how to put together

9:17

a case better than the Romanian ones do,

9:20

I think. I guess, but these guys

9:22

have gotten away with it for so long

9:24

that I just like, I don't know,

9:26

I don't have faith in the justice system.

9:28

the UK, to be fair, UK authorities

9:30

massively fucked up the first set of allegations

9:32

against them, which is fair. Why are

9:34

you so confident when you're clearly bad at

9:36

your jobs? Because this has become a

9:39

massive issue in the UK, right? Both because

9:41

like 50, by most recent polls, like

9:43

52 % of men under 19 have a

9:45

positive view of Andrew Tate in the UK.

9:47

Yeah. That's way too many. But he

9:49

has been, he has been, he's also become

9:51

extremely demonized to a lot of like

9:53

adults and a lot of, you know, the

9:56

people in politics in the country. So

9:58

he is a massive figure over there for

10:00

that reason. And at least all

10:02

of the signs I'm seeing is that

10:04

the UK is very wants to prosecute

10:06

him aggressively. And so the

10:08

best thing for him may be the

10:10

fact that this Romanian case has

10:13

been so messy because they can't they

10:15

won't extradite him until they either

10:17

charge him and the case is concluded

10:19

or they drop the investigation. Right. So

10:22

the day before I finalize these

10:24

episodes, BBC article dropped with more details

10:26

from this case, the case of the

10:28

four women in the UK who are

10:30

alleging crimes committed by Tate. According

10:33

to court documents in those cases,

10:35

which have become recently available, one

10:37

of these women alleges that Tate pointed

10:39

a gun at her at her face and

10:41

told her, you're going to do as

10:43

I say, or there'll be hell to pay.

10:45

Another woman claims that he threatened to

10:47

kill her. Another says that he threatened to

10:49

kill anyone who spoke to her. And

10:51

another says he convinced her he'd killed people

10:53

in the past. I don't just based

10:55

on what's not known about him believe that,

10:57

but he has a As we'll talk

10:59

about, he spends a lot of time and

11:01

effort trying to convince people that he

11:04

is like a very deadly man, particularly 14

11:06

year old boys and the teenage women

11:08

he primarily pursues, which I'm not saying she's

11:10

silly for taking that seriously. You should

11:12

always take it seriously when a guy who

11:14

is threatening you says that. Especially

11:17

if they allegedly are holding a gun. Yeah,

11:19

well, he was only holding a gun allegedly on

11:21

one of them. Not on

11:23

this one. These were

11:26

four different women with different

11:28

allegations. Andrew, Tristan Tate,

11:30

which is his brother and weird little

11:32

sidekick, and their spokesperson have repeatedly

11:34

denied these and all other allegations against

11:36

them. He has also taken what

11:38

we will describe as uneven efforts to

11:40

reform his image. For one

11:42

thing, he converted to Islam, supposedly,

11:45

and has made a number of videos,

11:47

showed up on some podcasts about that. There's

11:50

a good BBC documentary in which people

11:52

who were close to him and know

11:54

him say like that's a lie. And

11:56

I believe again, he's been he's been

11:58

spotted repeatedly, like when he got back

12:00

to Florida, like in clubs in and

12:02

around alcohol, drinking, partying in ways that

12:04

like strict observant Muslims don't do what

12:06

with the booze. But he's also tried

12:09

to remake his image as a philanthropist.

12:11

Now, this started with just kind of

12:13

bullshit. He claimed that in the past

12:15

he had donated heavily to charities. He

12:17

built a dog shelter in Romania and

12:19

was going to rebuild an orphanage. But

12:21

in the wake of these allegations, he

12:23

launched the website tatepledge.com and claimed in

12:26

a video, I donate $25 million a

12:28

year to feeding children in war -torn

12:30

countries, especially in the Islamic world, because

12:32

that's where war is. There's actually war

12:34

all over the place, not just in

12:36

the Islamic world, Andrew Tate. In that

12:38

video, he announced the birth of the

12:40

Tate Foundation, which, quote, is going to

12:43

be dedicated to charitable acts. I will

12:45

be spending millions and millions of dollars

12:47

on charitable acts for the rest of

12:49

my human life. What's happening

12:51

on this website? Oh, yeah.

12:53

I mean, it's like videos. So

12:55

those are videos that when you like

12:57

different charities put out for their donors,

12:59

we'll be explaining that in a second,

13:02

like what's going on on this site.

13:04

But I want people to see TatePledge.com.

13:06

That's what I'm looking at. It

13:08

looks like a normal charitable website

13:10

where like, oh, you're collecting all the

13:12

different donations from these people. But these

13:14

are all supposed to be from Andrew

13:16

Tate, right? Yeah, Andrew Tate has not

13:19

changed lives for the better. Come

13:21

on. No. After he states, God

13:23

has blessed me with fantastic wealth. It's more money

13:25

than I will ever personally need. The video

13:27

then displays text saying, this is how the most

13:29

famous man on earth exerts his influence. Despite

13:31

all the attacks and his fiercest critics, he's the

13:33

only one actively trying to change the world

13:35

for the better. Now, we'll talk about

13:37

how real all this shit is in a second. It's

13:39

not mostly. If you go to the

13:41

Tate Plage website, it looks kind of

13:44

like a normal NGO, right? Except

13:46

the weird fact of the matter

13:48

is like, Normally, a site like

13:50

this would be keeping track of a bunch of

13:53

people donating, and this is just supposed to be

13:55

the Tates and some of their inner circle war

13:57

room members. On that

13:59

site today, it claims that almost 1 .2

14:01

million lives have been changed by their

14:03

donations, and 12 million dollars are donated,

14:05

and even that is significantly less than

14:07

Tate claimed he was planning to spend.

14:10

But yeah, it's the, there's like

14:12

43 projects listed on the site

14:14

from wheelchairs for disabled kids to

14:16

distributing food aid in Yemen, and

14:18

it all Sounds nice and weirdly

14:20

innocuous for the tapes. And

14:22

so the obvious question one asks now is, is any

14:24

of this real? And to answer that,

14:26

I'm going to refer to an investigation published

14:28

on the website Unheard and written by Steve Boggan.

14:31

There is very little evidence of more than

14:33

a million lives being changed, or of

14:35

tens of millions of dollars being spent. Fewer

14:37

than 10 charities feature in the videos,

14:39

and at least one is now defunct. The

14:41

Tate's most regular collaborator is Muslim Global

14:43

Relief, a Manchester -based charity with an income

14:46

of 3 .4 million pounds and three employees. Its

14:48

deputy managing director, Mohammed Bashir, told me

14:50

that Muslim Global Relief had conducted 16 to

14:52

20 projects with Tate donated money this

14:54

financial year, but the total amount spent was

14:57

30 ,000 pounds at most. Asked whether the

14:59

Tate -funded projects long -term or one -off events,

15:01

Mr. Bashir said, one project at a

15:03

time in different places. The charity, he added,

15:05

had made a policy decision to carry

15:07

out and taking money from the Tates, regardless

15:09

of the charges they faced. However, if

15:11

they were found guilty, global Muslim relief would

15:13

sever all ties. And both,

15:16

so we're looking at tens of thousands

15:18

from the most documented charity, not millions. This

15:21

is clearly the kind of like a

15:23

tax dodge sort of situation as well

15:25

as being like a PR thing, but

15:27

also Tate's been accused of not paying

15:29

like tens of millions of dollars in

15:31

UK taxes over the years. So it's

15:33

one of those like... doesn't

15:35

count to me. Like

15:37

the fact that you lied about how much you

15:39

gave in order to get some videos that

15:41

you could put on a website and gave what

15:43

is effectively pocket change based on what you

15:45

actually owe in taxes. I don't know. I don't

15:47

really give a shit. So,

15:50

and even that, I should say this is

15:52

like the most documented relationship they have with

15:54

a charity. even that possibly semi -legit 30k

15:56

donation is incredibly sketchy when a journalist digs

15:58

into it. Because Boggan like did the smart

16:00

thing and in a day after global Muslim

16:02

relief was like, yeah, he gave us some

16:05

money, like not as much as he claimed,

16:07

but some he was like, so like, how

16:09

did they transfer these funds to you? Like,

16:11

how'd they get sent to you? And they

16:13

said, and this is so weird, they were

16:15

like, well, actually, Tate didn't give them to

16:17

us directly. A journalist who we won't name

16:19

handed it to us from Tate. Quote from

16:22

their representatives. What? We don't have direct links

16:24

with the Tate brothers, Mr. Beshear said. There's

16:26

a journalist based here in the UK who's

16:28

a representative and looks after the charitable arm

16:30

for them. He's the one who gives us

16:32

the donations and then we do the projects

16:34

and give them the appropriate feedback. There's

16:37

no ongoing long -term funding for one

16:39

particular project in one particular country. That's

16:42

really weird. Yeah,

16:44

that sounds not normal. First

16:46

off, a journalist? Is your intermediary? If they'd

16:48

said a lawyer, I'd be like, hey, rich

16:50

people have like a lawyer handle that that

16:52

kind of shit all the time. A journalist?

16:54

My question is, is this the same? Reporter

16:57

Bashir that fucked with Princess Diana

16:59

in the UK? What's this?

17:01

Bashir is the representative from the Muslim world.

17:03

Oh, thought I was a journalist. That was

17:05

Nothing to do with that. Okay, I was

17:08

like, I was like, red pack, red pack.

17:10

I don't know. I actually have a couple

17:12

of theories, but I'm not going to throw

17:14

them out on air about who this quote

17:16

unquote journalist might be. But yeah, it's that's

17:18

weird. That's not how this is normally handled. Yeah,

17:21

seems bizarre. Seems bizarre, and I should

17:23

emphasize here that there are substantial tax benefits

17:25

to donating to certain amounts to charity,

17:27

and to an extent when you're bringing in

17:29

money like this, it does make financial

17:31

sense to donate. The Tates have

17:33

been doing this for years with the money they

17:36

brought in from sexually trafficking webcam workers. One

17:38

charity they gave to, Muslim Hands, took donations from

17:40

the Tates for years and sent them video

17:42

evidence of some of the projects they completed, which

17:44

is a standard thing for NGOs to do.

17:46

Right? Here's some video evidence of

17:48

how your money is helping people. Andrew

17:50

started posting this footage on his website

17:52

after his arrest, which horrified them because

17:54

this is a real charity and they

17:56

want nothing to do with a pimp.

17:59

They publicly cut ties with the brothers and

18:01

asked for all of the footage to be

18:03

removed. But many of the charities

18:05

he claims to have given to, like

18:07

Human Appeal, deny that they received actual

18:10

donations from the Tates. He claims to

18:12

have donated to them, and they're like,

18:14

no, like one completely different guy dedicated

18:16

some money in their names. There's

18:18

another group he claims to have donated

18:21

to Action for Humanity International, who says

18:23

they did not receive money from the

18:25

Tates, but their Canadian partner organization got

18:27

$800. And as soon as

18:29

the charges were made public against the Tates,

18:31

they returned it. Several larger donations were

18:33

offered by the Tates to their Canadian

18:35

partner, but the charity refused the money because

18:37

they, like, Googled him and were like,

18:39

oh, fuck, we don't need this. We don't

18:41

need this at all. We don't need

18:43

your $12 ,000, Andrew Tates. Jesus Christ, get

18:45

the fuck out of here. before

18:48

you're talking about like 2017, 18,

18:50

where he's like, okay, and kind of

18:52

well known and like webcam sex

18:54

communities, but like, it might not pull

18:56

up anything. And you're also, the

18:58

thing they noted was that their limit for when

19:00

they would do due diligence on a donation was

19:02

like 1500. And so an $800 donation, they're just

19:05

not checking on, because that's not enough money for

19:07

them to really worry about it, right? Which makes

19:09

sense to me, you know, it costs money to

19:11

do that due diligence. Now

19:14

additionally, from that unheard article

19:16

quote, Other charities singled out

19:18

by the Tates have simply disappeared. The first

19:20

video posted on the Tate Pledge website

19:22

was dated to April 13th and features hundreds

19:24

of construction workers in Dubai receiving boxes

19:26

of food courtesy of a charity called Life

19:28

Guided by Light. A similar Dubai -based food

19:30

handout supported by the Tates and executed

19:32

by men wearing Life Guided by Light t

19:34

-shirts was carried out in a car park

19:36

for Chinese National Chemical Engineering vehicles. The

19:38

workers wore Haiva's vests bearing the letters C

19:40

and C -E -C. Yet when I tried

19:42

to ask Life Guided by Light why it

19:44

felt necessary to feed workers employed by

19:46

a huge multinational corporation. I

19:49

discovered that the charities

19:51

three trustees had

19:53

dissolved at last December

19:55

following a year

19:57

of zero income and

19:59

zero expenditure. My

20:01

guess, because he has ties to Dubai, he

20:03

goes there. I kind of wonder if maybe

20:05

there's some like he needed to move. He

20:07

wanted to move some money over there. And

20:09

this was like a weird shot. I don't

20:11

know, but it certainly doesn't seem to be

20:13

real. Earlier

20:15

this year, I showed and this is continuing

20:17

that article from Unheard. Earlier this week,

20:20

I showed the Tate pledge page to two

20:22

senior academics with expertise in the charity

20:24

sector. While neither wanted to be named, one

20:26

expressed concern over the use of stereotypical

20:28

images of victims in need that are now

20:30

being heavily criticized by the NGO community.

20:32

The Tate videos he pointed out often feature

20:34

young African children expressing delight at being

20:36

given a plate of food. The other added,

20:38

it seems like a classic case of

20:40

charity washing, trying to bolster a hugely damaged

20:42

reputation through good works. I suspect many

20:45

charities wouldn't touch the money. And again, all

20:47

of the advent suggests it's not a

20:49

lot of money. Sure. In

20:51

one video on the tape. He just

20:53

can't stop grifting. He literally can't. No, he's

20:56

addicted to the grift. It's the laziest

20:58

con, though. It's just like, ah, this way,

21:00

this way. Because again, his audience, he's

21:02

not trying to convince this journalist. He's not

21:04

trying to convince you and me. He's

21:06

trying to convince 14 year old boys. Right.

21:08

Right. Who probably because of the state

21:10

of education, both the UK and the United

21:13

States, aren't that great at reading. No,

21:15

they're very vulnerable. Yeah. Oh,

21:18

shit. Sorry. In one video on

21:20

the Tate Pledge website, Andrew promised to

21:22

provide full accounts and receipts to

21:24

prove that the money goes directly to

21:26

charity, to feeding children in war -torn

21:28

countries. When Steve Boggan asked their

21:30

US -based lawyer to see these receipts, he

21:32

was ignored as he was ignored when

21:34

he emailed the Tates directly. The

21:37

whole... And Boggan did a great

21:39

job on this. It's a very

21:41

good article, unheard UNHERD. as

21:43

the website was published on. The

21:45

whole charity angle was from the jump,

21:47

a cynical ploy for public sympathy. And public

21:49

Andrew blames The Matrix for his many

21:51

prosecutions around the world and expresses sublime confidence

21:53

that he will successfully fight all these

21:56

cases and win them. And I want to

21:58

add here, I considered going back and

22:00

adding some details about his past in childhood

22:02

that have come out in subsequent publications. It

22:05

just didn't make sense for these episodes because there's so

22:07

much new stuff. But I do want to note one thing

22:09

that has come out is that his father, the

22:11

famous chess player is the guy

22:13

he gets the matrix comparisons from.

22:16

Because his dad was obsessed with the matrix and

22:18

would bring it up constantly to Andrew and

22:20

Tristan. That's something to cut like one of his

22:22

aunts and stuff. He's had like a couple

22:24

of members of his family speak out. So that

22:26

is apparently where that this is not just

22:28

something he picked up because the right wing internet

22:30

adopted, which I had assumed because it's just

22:32

such a big thing on the conservative internet is

22:34

talking about the matrix. Red, the

22:36

red pills. No. This actually literally does go

22:38

back to his childhood which I find

22:40

interesting. That is interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, so

22:43

the fact that he feels a need

22:45

to, I will say as, as confident as

22:47

he expresses being in all cases that

22:49

he's going to win, you know, all of

22:51

these different criminal trials, the fact

22:53

that he would do this, this

22:55

fake charity bullshit, pretend to convert to

22:57

Islam, it does suggest a vulnerability.

22:59

The fact that he is actually worried,

23:01

um, and that he's also shameless. You

23:05

wouldn't, you wouldn't do this

23:07

if you didn't feel like there

23:09

was some potential protection in.

23:11

in it for right unless he's

23:13

nervous about potentially losing or

23:16

something. Yes. Yes. Or not even

23:18

just losing in a court

23:20

of law, but losing his audience,

23:23

which I think in a

23:25

way is you could

23:27

argue that's more important to

23:29

him. And there's a million

23:31

percent. There's a pretty one of the

23:33

BBC articles interviews like a former Got kid

23:36

who actually like paid to be in

23:38

you know, the real world and it has

23:40

since come out and talked about like

23:42

the which is one of his flat website

23:44

platforms where he hustles young men and

23:46

he said that like the thing that pulled

23:48

him out of it was reading the

23:50

actual court allegations, which is not a common

23:52

story It's not easily replicable But there

23:54

is the fact that these allegations do pull

23:56

some people away from him right and

23:58

it also stops some people who might like

24:00

the fact that this is publicized does

24:02

help Keep some people from getting towards him,

24:05

you know, it's it's a mixed bag

24:07

because the additional notoriety also helps draw people

24:09

I don't know entirely how it all

24:11

shakes out like this this kind of stuff

24:13

is messy. There's not an easy answer

24:15

here So when it comes to this whole

24:17

this kind of Examples of sort of

24:19

his vulnerability and also how he utilizes this

24:21

online community He's built of young men

24:23

and he's got two websites. We'll talk about

24:25

them in more detail in part two

24:27

The war room in the real world the

24:29

real world is like 50 bucks a

24:31

month, the war room is like eight grand

24:33

a year plus a lot more to

24:36

be admitted into certain chat rooms. And the

24:38

real world is much bigger and it's

24:40

kind of exists to funnel people upwards, right?

24:42

It's kind of both an MLM and

24:44

a cult style. thing. Again, we'll talk about

24:46

it more later. But he

24:48

utilizes this mass of a couple of

24:50

hundred people in the real world in

24:52

order to act as his online army

24:54

to amplify his message to keep him

24:56

going viral. And he attempted to

24:58

utilize them near the end of 2023 to

25:01

help him get let out of like

25:03

Romanian, I mean, he was, I think it

25:05

was like house arrest. And

25:07

using the excuse that he needed

25:09

to visit, leave to the United States

25:11

temporarily. So he and his brother

25:13

could see their grandmother before she dies.

25:16

Now, this was transparent bullshit, but it's the kind

25:18

of bullshit that he would only try if he

25:20

was actually frightened of being convicted. Andrew

25:22

actually launched a whole media campaign around

25:24

his grandma, using his subscribers to the

25:27

real world. And

25:29

members are, you know, essentially there to

25:31

be digital servants, right? There's a lot of

25:33

like, you know, they're taught how to

25:35

do all these different online money making scams,

25:37

affiliate marketing and flooding Amazon with AI

25:39

books. But they're really there to cut together

25:41

videos of Andrew Tate and flood the

25:43

internet with it. This is

25:46

what he tried to utilize as a resource

25:48

and a focused way to get this idea that

25:50

like he just wants to visit his grandma

25:52

to go viral. Per an article in Vice, quote,

25:55

Vice News has been provided with a screenshot

25:57

of a message posted on a chat board

25:59

for the real world on Saturday by Tate's

26:01

cousin, Luke Tate, who acts as a professor

26:03

on the site. The post offered

26:05

a bounty or reward of unspecified value

26:07

for the subscribers who created the 20

26:09

most viewed video posts in support of

26:11

the campaign to see grandma Tate. What's

26:13

a cousin Tate's expertise? He's

26:16

their cousin. Oh, how many of these

26:18

fuckers are there? Oh, my God. I've

26:20

heard of three so far. I think

26:22

there may be some more involved. Grandma

26:25

Tate is sick and dying. She can't travel.

26:27

She wants to see Andrew and Tristan before she

26:29

dies. Read the post. The American

26:31

Embassy is in helping them make this real. We

26:33

want the world to know about Grandma Tate's

26:35

condition and ask the question, why is this happening

26:37

to American citizens? The post then

26:40

members. Again, most of these are

26:42

teenagers to early 20s to create

26:44

videos using AI. drawing on old

26:47

clips of Tate talking about his

26:49

grandmother. Dozens of videos followed, but

26:51

none gained much traction. In this video posted,

26:53

the Twitter has gotten less than 700 views

26:55

despite being embedded in a vice article. So

26:57

like, this is, should be one of the

26:59

higher view videos and like, they just, people

27:01

don't care about this shit. Look at, look

27:03

at this bullshit. Tate's grandma

27:05

is very ill. And doesn't have

27:07

much longer on this earth.

27:09

Her last wish is to see

27:11

the tape brothers one last

27:13

time. I'll explain. She cannot

27:15

travel due to her serious illness. However,

27:18

the American Embassy won't

27:20

let Tristan and Andrew visit

27:22

America. Even though

27:24

the Tate brothers are American

27:26

citizens, why is America not letting

27:28

Mrs. Tate see her grandsons

27:31

while she can? Are they that

27:33

evil that they will restrict

27:35

a man from seeing his loved

27:37

ones for the final time?

27:39

Comment and share to spread the

27:41

news. That's the AI voice

27:43

over. The weird

27:45

AI generated clips. It

27:47

cannot say Tristan. Also like why

27:49

like I don't know, Diane grandma

27:51

doesn't really equate to you know

27:53

a million shirtless Andrew Tate images.

27:56

No, no. A lot of shirtless Andrew Tate smoking

27:58

a cigar talking about how his grandma just

28:00

wants to see him. Impetting a dog is in

28:02

there too. You just got to make him

28:04

look innocent. Speaking of innocent,

28:07

you know who's never committed a crime

28:09

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28:11

that is actionable in court? Allegedly. Our

28:13

sponsors. Allegedly. I mean, maybe.

28:15

Honestly. Yeah. Given some of

28:18

the people. I don't want

28:20

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28:22

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still innocent of any crimes that

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I can prove got committed. Except

32:52

for that thing with with Sophie

32:55

and the FDA and Venezuela anyway, it

32:57

was messy. It was messy. It

32:59

was messy. We don't talk about that

33:01

on air. Who shot who will

33:03

never know, you know? I know.

33:05

I don't know. Sophie, glad

33:07

you're healing RIP to all those

33:09

agents. Now.

33:11

as shallow and sad as this

33:13

whole fucking grandma Tate bullshit is,

33:15

I have to be honest, it

33:18

is unclear to me whether Andrew or

33:20

Tristan or anyone around them will ever

33:22

be ultimately convicted and sentenced for anything.

33:24

Their defense has been buttressed by the

33:27

fact that Romanian prosecutors are not

33:29

overwhelmingly competent. And they are

33:31

trying, right? And there's evidence there

33:33

is like significant civil reform actions

33:35

within Romania. And the fact that

33:37

the Tates are being charged at

33:39

all is a part of that,

33:41

right? But. the Dicott prosecutors made

33:43

a lot of really Bush League

33:45

mistakes, like not mistakes that

33:48

indicate that they're really innocent, but the mistakes

33:50

that are like, yeah, you are going

33:52

to be able to procedurally get stuff dropped if

33:54

you can afford very good lawyers like the Tate's

33:56

can when shit like this happens, right? When

33:59

the indictments first dropped, there was a lot

34:01

of excitement among the kind of people who hate

34:03

Tate. We'll call them most people. And

34:05

if you remember, a lot of folks

34:07

convinced themselves Greta Thunberg had somehow posted Andrew

34:09

into prison. And the reality is

34:11

that that had nothing to do with anything. No,

34:13

but really funny. The timing was

34:16

funny. But the reality is that

34:18

the Tates have been pretty savvy with

34:20

how they have approached their crimes,

34:22

not master criminal level. There are some

34:24

dumb mistakes, which is why they've

34:26

gotten in trouble. But the thing that

34:28

they are doing is different

34:31

enough from traditional like pimping, and

34:33

they're good enough at scaring a

34:35

lot of these women into not

34:37

wanting to take on the risk

34:39

of openly coming against them, that

34:41

it is not easy to convict

34:43

them, at least in Romania, right?

34:45

This is an uphill battle. There

34:48

were signs of this from early on

34:50

in the court process. The length of time

34:52

between arrest and indictment is unusual, right?

34:54

The fact that they spent months in jail

34:56

and then were on house arrest and

34:58

it was still like a year until they

35:00

got indicted, that's

35:03

peculiar. And then in

35:05

spring of 2024 after court approved

35:07

the case to finally go to trial,

35:09

the Tate succeeded in appealing to

35:11

change the indictment. Per the AP, quote,

35:14

the appeals court ruled that it identified

35:16

multiple flaws in the prosecutor's case file

35:18

against the Tates, saying prosecutors had failed

35:20

to adequately explain the charges against Andrew

35:22

to an alleged female victim and that

35:24

the charges against the female suspects were

35:26

not properly presented. It said the indictment

35:28

failed to specify the amounts related to

35:30

the confiscation of assets in the case. The

35:32

court ordered some evidence removed, including witness

35:34

statements by two alleged victims and witness

35:36

statements made by Andrew and Tristan, which

35:38

were deemed inadmissible. The court did not

35:40

say why. And,

35:42

you know, there's a number of reasons

35:45

for this, but again, it all kind

35:47

of suggests, well, this was sloppier than

35:49

you'd want it to be, right? Like,

35:51

that's the fundamental issue here. And they

35:53

have so much money to pay for.

35:55

And they have money. To pay for

35:57

the legal advice and... and it's

35:59

sad because most of that money

36:01

is comes from them manipulate comes from

36:03

them 14 year old boys 14

36:05

year old boys and abusing women, right?

36:07

It's like they're allowance money is

36:09

going to the Andrew and Tristan Tate

36:12

defense fund and more than that

36:14

when they traffic when they have these

36:16

women working for them on cameras,

36:18

they're taking basically everything they earn,

36:20

right? Yeah, 95 % of the money

36:22

is going straight to them. Yes. And

36:24

that's so they have money for these

36:26

and it's obviously the different subscription fees.

36:28

I think that is now now he

36:31

started making his money through the can

36:33

business. I don't know that that's any

36:35

meaningful chunk of his income now. I

36:37

think it is all from this this

36:39

platform that he's built, right? I think

36:41

that's where it takes money comes from

36:43

these days. But, you know, it is

36:45

it's one of those things. What having

36:47

a good lawyer tends to mean in

36:49

cases like this isn't that they're better

36:51

at proving you're innocent. It's that there's

36:53

all sorts of things that if they're

36:56

not. done perfectly by both the police

36:58

and by the prosecutors, a lawyer

37:00

who really knows their shit can drag

37:02

out a case and like that's why

37:04

you want to have a good lawyer.

37:06

And this is also how people who

37:08

are being harassed unjustly by law enforcement

37:10

get off. But in this case, the

37:12

Tates have a lot of ammunition on their

37:14

side, especially given how sloppy things have been

37:16

done in Romania. I don't think a UK

37:18

case would go nearly this well against them,

37:20

but it's also unclear to me Romania

37:23

said they will extradite, but he is now allowed to

37:25

move around the world as we're talking about. So I don't

37:27

know what's going to happen. In August,

37:29

though, prosecutors in Romania announced a

37:31

new investigation separate to the other

37:33

one ongoing that just had the

37:35

indictment changed. They executed four additional

37:37

search warrants against different properties while

37:39

investigating new allegations of human trafficking

37:42

and money laundering. But a

37:44

few months later, in the fall winter of

37:46

2024, prosecutors had to rework their indictment after

37:48

the court announced issues over the evidence and

37:50

aspects of how the case had been approached.

37:52

Despite this, in December of 2024, the Bucharest

37:54

Court of Appeals decided the indictment against the

37:56

Tates didn't not meet the requirements for the

37:58

case to go to trial. They claimed there

38:00

were issues in quote, the manner of presenting

38:02

the facts and describing the constituent elements in

38:04

the case and that Andrew's right to defense

38:06

had been violated. They didn't

38:08

get things all their way in Q4 that

38:10

same month, the same month that their

38:12

case was sent back to prosecutors in Romania.

38:15

A British court ruled that more

38:17

than two million pounds of their

38:19

frozen assets would be forfeited, as

38:21

the brothers had obviously committed tax

38:23

evasion. They're accused at present of

38:25

not paying taxes on some 21

38:27

million pounds from 2014 to 2022. God,

38:29

that's so much fucking money. It's

38:31

so much fucking money. It's really,

38:33

it's really quite frustrating. Andrew

38:35

described these charges, which included money

38:38

laundering as, quote, a coordinated attack on

38:40

anyone who dares to challenge the

38:42

system, the system of paying your taxes.

38:46

Now, the tapes had been released from

38:48

their strict house arrest conditions near

38:50

the end of summer 2024. And this

38:52

had started the timer on a

38:54

probationary period. After which they would

38:56

be eligible to leave Romania, right? This was

38:58

not really surprising that they ultimately were because

39:00

once they were released from their house arrest

39:02

conditions near the end of that summer, like

39:04

there was kind of like a ticking clock

39:06

going on when they'd get to travel. Ultimately,

39:09

in late February of 2025, the

39:11

brothers received clearance from a Romanian judge

39:13

to leave the country. Per the

39:15

Guardian, authorities in Romania said prosecutors had

39:17

approved the brother's request to travel.

39:19

The anti -organized crime unit, DICOT, said

39:21

the pair remained under the judicial supervision

39:23

and would have to appear before

39:25

the judicial authorities at every summons. It

39:27

added that any violation may lead

39:29

to a higher custodial measure. And

39:31

so this is kind of like going out, getting out

39:33

on bail, right? You're allowed, except for they're

39:36

allowed to travel internationally. But, you know,

39:38

I guess Romania is different. But

39:40

they are allowed, they do have to come

39:42

back when asked, but they are allowed to go

39:44

and they very quickly did. It's interesting that

39:46

you've explained it this week because I remember when

39:48

this happened and they showed up and I

39:50

think it was Florida, everybody was like, how the

39:52

fuck is this allowed to happen? And,

39:55

you know, it just seems like justice

39:57

system, not so good. Yeah,

40:00

I think it's just, it's certainly

40:02

very different, right? Sure. And

40:04

that's that's the way it works.

40:07

Now, they immediately boarded a Gulfstream aircraft, which

40:09

Andrew called Tate Force One. Fuck off. It

40:11

is unclear to me if they own this

40:13

or are renting it because they have talked

40:15

about. I'm going to guess they're renting. They've

40:17

talked. Yeah, they have talked at other times that

40:19

we had to pay like one hundred eighty five

40:21

grand to fly back to Romania to sign this

40:23

paper. And I'm like, OK, so does that is

40:26

that just the fuel costs? Or does that mean

40:28

that like you're renting this fucker? Unclear

40:30

to me. There was

40:32

immediate speculation that. Trump had pressured

40:34

the Romanian government on Tate's behalf. Most

40:37

people I have encountered seem to just

40:39

take this as established fact that like Trump

40:41

intervened. And this was certainly the initial

40:43

discourse around it. Like, oh, now he's going

40:45

to get off because Trump has intervened

40:47

on his behalf. The Republicans are going to

40:49

help him because they love him. I don't

40:52

know that this is the case. And in fact,

40:54

I think the preponderance of evidence suggests that

40:56

it may not be. For his

40:58

part, Trump has denied knowing anything

41:00

about their release. And. You know,

41:02

you shouldn't trust anything that Trump

41:04

says. say famous truth teller. Famously

41:06

not a truth teller. However, Trump

41:09

is not the kind of

41:11

guy who would encounter Tate organically

41:13

because Tate is kind of

41:15

like not his style of gross.

41:18

He's like he likes used car dealers.

41:20

He likes financial scammers and stuff. Andrew

41:22

Tate is a literal pimp. He's

41:24

just like a literal pimp. And

41:26

that's really not... Trump's brand of

41:28

guy to associate with super publicly

41:30

and Trump has not made any

41:32

point of reaching out to Tate

41:34

or directly embracing him even though

41:36

Andrew has been a major Trump

41:38

supporter for years It is also

41:40

possible now there obviously there are

41:42

a lot of people who really

41:44

like Tate within the Trump administration

41:47

a lot of very young you

41:49

know Groyper style online misogynist freaks

41:51

that are in the administration that

41:53

are in Doge It's possible that

41:55

some of them pulled strings for

41:57

him, but It's not clear that

41:59

this is what happened. There

42:01

are rumors of this, but when I

42:03

tracked them down, the rumors that it was

42:05

the Trump administration that pressured Romania to

42:08

let him leave come down entirely to the

42:10

lawyer representing the women who have accused

42:12

Tate of sexual assault back in the UK.

42:15

That lawyer claimed that the Trump administration

42:17

is, quote, interfering in due

42:19

process and argued that Trump's election was why

42:21

the brothers felt like they would be

42:23

safe in returning back to the United States.

42:27

I don't see, I don't know that

42:29

there's evidence. I can't prove it

42:31

that the Trump administration interfered to make

42:33

this happen. However, I

42:36

do think it's probably correct that Trump's election

42:38

made them feel like maybe we'll be safe in

42:40

the United States, right? Like, I don't think

42:42

that that part is untrue, but I can't prove

42:44

the first part. And there's some evidence against

42:46

it. That said, like a lot

42:48

of scumbags, Andrew and Tristan felt emboldened

42:50

by the resurgence of the far right

42:52

in US politics and Trump's victory, especially

42:54

since anti -women and anti -woke influencers were

42:56

a key part of Trump's election strategy.

42:59

And Tate has rebranded himself a lot

43:01

as an anti -woke influencer. It

43:04

is possible that them feeling like they

43:06

would be welcome in the US in

43:08

this new era was a miscalculation. Because

43:10

while Andrew was a prominent figure to

43:12

a lot of young people on the

43:14

far right, He is not a respectable

43:16

political figure, even in the context of

43:18

the present US system. I'm

43:20

not 100 % sure why. Guys like Joe

43:22

Rogan can get away with having Holocaust

43:24

deniers on their podcast. Doge has

43:27

multiple young men in it who we know

43:29

we're members of a far right extremist groups

43:31

online that trade child porn and try to

43:33

harass people into suicide. But

43:35

there is something about Tate that

43:37

feels gross even for today's Republican

43:39

party. And as shocking as it

43:41

seems, Elected Republicans have not given

43:43

Tate a consistently warm welcome at

43:46

home. Yeah, so many so many

43:48

different right -wing influencers were mentioned when

43:50

we went to the RNC. Tate

43:52

was not even whispered. There was

43:54

not a whisper of Tate. And

43:57

you get the feeling that maybe he's still, I

43:59

don't know if it'll stay this way, but a

44:01

bridge too far. And for

44:03

whatever value this has, the second he

44:05

landed in Florida, Governor Rhonda Santis made

44:07

a statement to reporters saying, Florida is

44:10

not a place where you're welcome with

44:12

that kind of conduct. And

44:14

what's really shocking was that this was

44:16

not 100 % talk because as soon as

44:18

DeSantis made the statement, the Attorney General

44:20

of Florida announced a criminal probe with

44:22

the goal of determining whether Florida had

44:24

any jurisdiction to hold the Tates accountable

44:26

for their alleged crimes. It

44:28

is worth noting that at the time this

44:30

happened, per the AP, quote, the Tampa

44:32

Bay Young Republicans Club formally invited Andrew Tate

44:34

to speak to their group. As

44:36

free speed absolutists, the Tates haven't been

44:38

formally convicted of any crimes and are

44:40

welcome to speak to our group, the

44:42

post reads. We're old enough to remember

44:44

when an asterisk convicted felon asterisk won

44:47

the presidency. And, you

44:49

know, so again, I'm not saying he's

44:51

been rejected by the right. I'm saying

44:53

that there's a lot, quite a few

44:55

elected leaders on the right who have

44:57

don't really like this guy and have

44:59

even been willing to take some action

45:01

against it, which is maybe surprising, but

45:04

also maybe just to sign that like this

45:06

is not a guy they really want to be

45:08

associated with, right? That's

45:10

too extreme for even them. to extreme

45:12

or they just don't like him personally,

45:14

right? Yeah, maybe a dickhead. He's a

45:16

gross dickhead. Yeah, even Rhonda

45:19

Santis may have some standards. I

45:21

guess we found his line. Yeah,

45:23

I mean, that's one of his

45:25

things that he does not

45:27

like what Tate does. No.

45:31

He's a sex trafficker. Yeah, like,

45:34

you know. Bare minimum,

45:36

Ron, but... And he brags about being a

45:38

sex trafficker, which is like that you could be

45:40

a sex trafficker and in good with elected

45:42

Republicans, but you have to lie about it. Right.

45:46

Um... So, there is a specific

45:48

segment of conservative media who have

45:50

no issues being affiliated with the

45:52

Tates, obviously. Aidan Ross was photographed

45:54

in film partying with him at a club

45:56

in Miami. When interviewed by a

45:58

reporter about the probe by the Florida Attorney

46:00

General, he said, We live in a democratic

46:02

society where it's innocent until proven guilty, and

46:05

I think my brother and I are largely

46:07

misunderstood. Tate and Tristan

46:09

attended several UFC fights in Las

46:11

Vegas. Dana White really close to

46:13

Trump, though, because Dana White is

46:15

Dana White. Exactly. That's

46:17

like. That's what like. That's what

46:19

like. OK. And like, the milk

46:21

was and all that stuff. Trump was on

46:23

other podcasts in the election cycle. Like, there

46:26

it is. Yeah. And that's that's that's where

46:28

we're getting kind of like, I don't know,

46:30

because Dana White, who's again, the U .S. president

46:32

and CEO very close to Trump, was introduced

46:34

to help introduce Trump at the RNC. Yeah.

46:36

Shook hand with it was it was seen

46:38

shaking hands with the brothers and hugging them.

46:40

saying on video, welcome to the states boys.

46:43

Um, there are also some folks who

46:45

have gone back and forth on

46:47

the tapes. Okay. James Kennedy, a star

46:49

from Vanderpump rules. He just got,

46:51

he was just arrested for domestic violence.

46:54

So let's, let's, let's not hold

46:56

that. Even that guy, he was seen

46:58

at a VIP bar during one

47:00

of these Vegas UFC events hanging out

47:02

with Andrew and Tristan and posted

47:04

the photo on his Instagram and the

47:06

backlash was severe enough that he

47:08

like deleted it and apologized saying, I

47:10

was unfamiliar with their content and

47:12

the allegations against them. I only knew

47:14

them as podcasters who had posted

47:16

a viral clip about Vanderpump. I have

47:19

since educated myself and condemned their

47:21

beliefs. He

47:23

really tried to pull up. I

47:25

was unfamiliar I was unfamiliar with

47:27

them They were podcasters So it's

47:29

it's they're in this really weird

47:31

spot where it's like kind of

47:33

uneven where some people are willing

47:35

to double down on being like

47:37

No, they haven't been convicted. I

47:39

love them. And look at the

47:41

Vanderpump guys like oh, no, I

47:44

had no idea Very peculiar situation.

47:46

It is a little hard for

47:48

me to parse out the precise

47:50

dimensions of what's going on here.

47:53

Now, the Tates themselves have filed a

47:55

defamation lawsuit in Palm Beach Circuit

47:57

Court back in 2003 against the woman

47:59

who accused them of keeping her

48:01

prisoner in their compound in Romania. This

48:04

was one of the things that

48:06

led to the investigations and everything against

48:08

them. They've sought a restraining order

48:10

against her as well. Tate returned to

48:12

Romania in March, spending he claims

48:14

$185 ,000 in a private jet for

48:16

the flight. This was essentially him fulfilling

48:19

the conditions of his release, which

48:21

required that he return when summoned by

48:23

the court. In a post before

48:25

his return, Tate said to Twitter, innocent

48:27

men don't run. All caps, they

48:29

clear their name in court. Just

48:31

imagine what would happen if

48:33

he like flew domestic. I'm just

48:35

so curious about how normal people

48:37

noticed him. What would happen? No,

48:40

there's no way he's ever gonna

48:42

fly domestic. Absolutely not. So,

48:45

you know, whatever, bro.

48:47

Like, stop complaining about the money you

48:49

have to spend. You're a fucking predator. Yeah.

48:51

And hey, if you can't afford a

48:53

private jet to fly to Romania to deal

48:55

with the conditions of your bail. Are

48:57

you really top G? If you can't afford

48:59

a private, if you can afford to

49:01

rent a PJ. For all your

49:03

crimes? One way to afford that

49:05

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49:07

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we're back and we're talking about how

53:40

the real way to make Andrew Tate

53:42

style money. It's so funny to me

53:44

that like the core of his fortune

53:46

is all in like promising Dumb

53:48

teenage boys that he knows how to

53:50

make them rich so they can escape

53:52

the fucked up economy that we've all

53:55

been left with the fucked up planet

53:57

That's going to make it harder and

53:59

harder to survive Like his his job

54:01

is like grifting off the fact that

54:03

people are desperate because any chance at

54:05

actually getting ahead in the world has

54:07

been like strangled in the fucking crib

54:09

by the people who these the ghouls

54:11

who run everything and his job is

54:13

just grifting off that that desperate hope

54:15

and that failure to realize who the

54:17

actual people with their boots on their

54:19

neck are, right? just kind of

54:21

dancing around the boot being like, I can help

54:23

you out from under that boot. Gov 'na! You

54:25

know, that's my Andrew Tate accent. Close

54:28

enough. Close enough, right? So.

54:31

As we stated last time, Tate

54:33

did return in March to Romania.

54:35

He signed those papers. We'll

54:38

see how things in Romania go. That

54:40

said, as that case has stuttered

54:42

and started and stopped and started

54:44

again, he has continued to accumulate

54:47

criminal charges and investigations at what

54:49

I can only describe as a

54:51

Trumpian rate. Several days ago. He's

54:54

collecting them like Pokemon cards.

54:56

So he flies back in late

54:58

February. to the United States,

55:00

right? Re -enters the country, parties

55:02

in Florida some. On

55:04

April 5th, 2025, NBC

55:06

News published an article about several people

55:09

being sued by the Tates who'd filed

55:11

in Palm Beach to pause civil defamation

55:13

cases against them until the United States

55:15

federal investigation and or prosecution by the

55:17

DOJ and the Southern District of New

55:19

York of Andrew and Tristan has concluded.

55:22

Now, that has been seen as evidence

55:24

by a lot of people that

55:26

since he's landed both the feds

55:28

and the southern district, and the southern

55:30

district does a lot of this

55:33

kind of high -profile shit. They were

55:35

responsible for one of the big prosecutions

55:37

against Trump. They went after Harvey

55:39

Weinstein. This is what the southern district

55:41

does, so it's very, very not

55:43

surprising that the southern district is going

55:45

after them. There had not

55:48

been previous confirmation of that or that there is

55:50

an ongoing federal investigation, which is really interesting

55:52

to me as we kind of debate to what

55:54

extent are the Republicans in the tank for

55:56

this guy, right? So

55:58

that does suggest the fact that

56:00

their lawyer tried this, that there are

56:02

investigations going on. It is not

56:04

100 % clear if that is the

56:06

case, but it really seems likely right

56:08

now. Okay, so if you're if

56:10

you're keeping track Andrew was back in

56:12

a few weeks for in the

56:14

US for a few weeks But in

56:16

that short time he ran managed

56:18

to both, you know get to a

56:20

federal and southern district investigation started

56:22

against him, and he has racked up

56:24

another serious allegation of physical and

56:26

sexual violence. His ex -girlfriend

56:28

Breonna Stern accused him of sexual battery

56:30

in a Los Angeles hotel room

56:32

within days of his return to the

56:34

country. Jesus. The two

56:36

had met. Yeah, this is like, again,

56:39

right after he gets back to

56:41

the United States, right? Like almost immediately

56:43

like let me do some abuse

56:45

right when I get let me go

56:47

to a fucking LA hotel room

56:49

and up my girlfriend. Yeah, it's just

56:51

like Allegedly, you know, the right

56:53

wing talks all about people coming into

56:55

this country and harming women and

56:57

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? It's

56:59

been here for four seconds. He's

57:02

a citizen, though. It's fine. Oh,

57:04

OK. Yeah, I forgot that makes

57:06

it OK. We're all good, baby. Yeah,

57:08

we're all good with domestic domestic

57:10

violence. Yeah. So Stern and

57:12

Tate had met in July

57:15

of 2024 after the brothers invited

57:17

her to their Romanian compound

57:19

because per the AP, they

57:21

were looking for models to help

57:23

promote their cryptocurrency meme coin. She

57:26

said that he convinced her the media

57:28

portrayals of him were untrue and that he

57:30

was actually a supporter of women. It

57:32

seemed like a dream come true. She said

57:34

in the complaint and I'm not going

57:36

to like pile on Stern here, but like,

57:38

yeah, maybe don't. We really need to

57:40

teach more critical thinking in school, I guess.

57:42

I don't know what the solution is

57:45

here. Wow. Don't just trust it. commissioner,

57:47

he was a supporter of women. Yeah,

57:49

there's like audio of this guy talking

57:51

about, yeah, we'll talk about some of

57:53

the audio that exists. I know, but

57:55

if you don't want to believe a

57:57

thing, it's really easy not to. That

57:59

is being a person. Yeah. Yeah. After

58:01

she returned to the U .S., Tate's

58:03

communications became threatening and manipulative, including calling

58:05

her his property, stern alleges. Sick. What

58:07

a... He sent... Yeah, what a G. What

58:10

a fucking G. He

58:12

sent messages saying he wanted to beat

58:14

and impregnate her, telling her you have an

58:16

attitude because you're not hit enough. He

58:19

once wrote, according to the complaint, Tate's

58:22

lawyer has alleged that the messages

58:24

were doctored, edited and falsified. Stern

58:27

also alleges that when they were both

58:29

in that hotel together, Andrew beat and choked

58:31

her during sex and repeatedly promised that

58:33

if she crossed him, he would kill her.

58:36

At this point, this is just a criminal

58:38

complaint. It is unclear to me where this

58:40

is going to end. If there are going

58:42

to be like charges and stuff like that,

58:44

I do think that it is worth sharing

58:46

a statement Stern made after the complaint was

58:48

made public. I considered many times

58:50

just silently leaving Andrew and saying nothing, doing

58:52

nothing, because I was scared and because it

58:54

was honestly hard for me to accept that

58:56

I was being abused. But I

58:58

can see that now that doing

59:00

so would be the cowardly approach. Um,

59:03

and that is again, one of the

59:05

reasons why he's gotten away with it

59:07

is that he scares people and they

59:09

don't want to deal with his incredibly weaponized

59:11

fan base and they don't want to

59:13

deal. They're also afraid of him personally.

59:15

And yeah, it does take a lot

59:17

of courage. No matter what decisions may have

59:20

led you there to choose to actually

59:22

go. for bore against this guy, right?

59:24

So I do applaud her for that.

59:26

This is not easy. You're painting it, especially

59:28

in the current political climate, you know,

59:30

painting a target on your back takes

59:32

a lot of courage. A thousand percent.

59:34

Like she's going to be just ridiculed online

59:36

by the worst of the worst. And

59:38

it's with her name attached, right? Like

59:40

a lot of the accusers rightfully are

59:42

anonymous and she is not, which makes it

59:45

a lot harder and makes this a

59:47

lot braver. Now,

59:49

right as well as while all this was

59:51

happening, the AP published another article with a

59:53

simple title, Andrew Tate lands in Dubai, calls

59:55

UK case politically motivated. He was there to

59:57

do what rich evil men do in Dubai,

59:59

and his arrival there sparked fears among UK

1:00:01

politicians that he might remain in the Emirates

1:00:03

to avoid justice. Labour MP Emily

1:00:05

Darlington wrote to the Home Secretary to

1:00:07

beg the government to prevent the Tate brothers

1:00:09

from evading trial by fleeing to other

1:00:12

countries. Tate responded on Twitter with this, I

1:00:27

wanted to conclude by talking about a

1:00:29

little bit aspect of Tate's personality that we

1:00:31

didn't get into enough in the previous

1:00:33

episodes, but that I think is really important

1:00:35

to put together here. Andrew

1:00:37

Tate absolutely needs you to believe that

1:00:39

he is a dangerous man, right? He

1:00:41

is in the sense that he hurts a

1:00:44

lot of people and he spreads toxic propaganda and

1:00:46

he has a lot of fame and fame

1:00:48

can make you dangerous to other people, right? So

1:00:50

can money. but he also needs

1:00:53

you to believe that he is a

1:00:55

John Wick kind of warrior in real

1:00:57

life and he simply isn't. We discussed

1:00:59

in the earlier episodes that his kickboxing

1:01:01

career is massively inflated. He was an

1:01:03

okay professional, but experts will always tell

1:01:05

you he had an imminently forgettable record,

1:01:08

right? He primarily picked fights that were

1:01:10

easy for the purpose of getting a

1:01:12

record that looked good on paper, but

1:01:14

there is absolutely nothing special about his

1:01:16

record as a kickboxer. And even the

1:01:18

fact that he has a quote unquote

1:01:21

reputation as a professional kickboxer isn't enough

1:01:23

for him, and he constantly posts videos

1:01:25

and tweets of himself with weapons. His

1:01:27

favorite, for whatever reason, probably because he's

1:01:29

part British, being an incredibly shitty machete.

1:01:31

One of the worst machetes I've ever

1:01:33

seen. Now look, I'm going

1:01:35

to avoid playing too many extended clips of

1:01:38

the motherfucker, but I think you need

1:01:40

to see this, and it'll help get everyone

1:01:42

in the proper mood. So here is

1:01:44

a video simply called on YouTube, Andrew Tate,

1:01:46

machete women self -defense. Factors

1:01:51

and there's at least one Depending

1:01:53

on the room and he won

1:01:55

and he's laying in bed waving

1:01:57

a machete Any room I'm in

1:01:59

in my house. I can I

1:02:01

can produce a weapon need

1:02:05

to think long and hard by why you're

1:02:07

such a little pussy Some dude some pussy ass

1:02:09

dude once said to me. Yeah, but if

1:02:11

it's next to your bed, what if you like

1:02:13

upset a girl? There's

1:02:18

no female alive. Even

1:02:21

with a machete that

1:02:23

would stand a chance

1:02:25

against the immense power

1:02:28

I possess. Have

1:02:30

you ever seen a woman try

1:02:32

and do anything competently? If

1:02:34

I pick this

1:02:36

up, you ain't fucking

1:02:38

with me. But I'm a left -hander. I'd

1:02:40

still like jab. fucking sling low. Take your

1:02:42

fucking knee out. You ain't gonna see

1:02:44

it coming. What do women do? He

1:02:47

looks like a fucking insect.

1:02:50

He's waving, again, he's waving a

1:02:52

machete like a guy who's

1:02:54

never used one for anything with

1:02:56

filming videos. It looks like

1:02:58

a really shitty fucking machete. It is

1:03:00

a jog shit machete. I'm gonna talk at

1:03:03

length about how shitty this machete is

1:03:05

because... a man who likes his machetes, right?

1:03:07

I like large, I enjoy using large knives

1:03:09

in general. I like the aesthetics of them.

1:03:12

I keep three in every room, in part

1:03:14

because they're not a good weapon. You know

1:03:16

what a good weapon is? A fucking gun. But.

1:03:20

They are a really good tool. I used

1:03:22

them just last week and I had to

1:03:24

process a bunch of firewood when I was

1:03:26

out camping. I've used them bushwhacking through thick

1:03:28

brush. I've used them to repeatedly suffer the

1:03:30

heads of mid -sized mammals when I'm slaughtering animals

1:03:32

or processing roadkill. Because in Oregon,

1:03:34

if you harvest roadkill, you have to turn the

1:03:36

head into the state, right? So I have

1:03:38

a lot of experience using a wide variety of

1:03:41

different large knives for the things that they

1:03:43

are useful for, right? The point

1:03:45

is that I know what makes these

1:03:47

tools useful and not. And in my

1:03:49

opinion, Andrew is showing off among the

1:03:51

shittiest machetes I have ever seen to

1:03:53

describe it for our listeners, right? It

1:03:55

has a blade in the front and

1:03:57

then a saw on the back. And

1:03:59

then also in the middle of the

1:04:01

blade, there are a bunch of rectangular

1:04:03

cuts in the middle where there's no

1:04:05

metal, just squares. I think I've

1:04:07

seen this I've seen several machete survival branded

1:04:09

machetes like this where it's like it makes it

1:04:11

lighter and it's like yeah but it also

1:04:13

makes it weaker makes a lot easier to break

1:04:16

if you're using it for any of the

1:04:18

tool purposes you want a machete for stuff gets

1:04:20

caught in there it's not something you want

1:04:22

on a good solid tool the other stupid thing

1:04:24

about this is the fucking saw blade in

1:04:26

the back let me tell you this right now

1:04:28

folks There are certain times when

1:04:30

combining a number of tools makes sense, a multi

1:04:32

-tool, right? Because it's small and it fits in

1:04:34

your pocket and there are a number of

1:04:36

things and there's really no other way to have

1:04:38

but you would never choose to use the

1:04:40

screwdriver on a multi -tool over a full -size screwdriver

1:04:42

or the saw blade on a multi -tool over

1:04:44

a full -size saw blade. But at least you

1:04:47

can pop out the saw blade when I

1:04:49

processed a deer last year. I popped up the

1:04:51

saw blade on my multi -tool to carve through

1:04:53

the cut through the sternum, right? Like there's

1:04:55

a like a use for that kind of a

1:04:57

thing. There is not a use for a

1:04:59

saw blade on the back of a machete like

1:05:01

this because it has a blade on both

1:05:03

ends. What are you going to

1:05:05

do to? How are you going to

1:05:07

get that? Are you going to grip

1:05:09

the edge of the front of the

1:05:11

machete in order to solve? Is that

1:05:13

what you're going to do? How are

1:05:15

you going to hold? What is the

1:05:17

utility and a saw blade? Not a

1:05:19

great weapon, right? And again,

1:05:22

there's this attitude. Again, very errant

1:05:24

brought to us by a lot of

1:05:26

movies that like knives and long knives

1:05:28

that like the way there's like arts

1:05:30

to fighting with them. And there are

1:05:32

some like martial arts around knife fighting. They

1:05:34

are primarily for how they look and

1:05:36

showing off. If you look at how

1:05:38

99 % of not quote unquote knife fights

1:05:40

go, somebody with a blade literally throws

1:05:42

their body into the other person and

1:05:44

stabs them 50 to 100 fucking times

1:05:46

until they bleed out. That's how people kill

1:05:48

each other with fucking knives a lot

1:05:50

of the time, right? It is not

1:05:52

it is not a an artisan's weapon.

1:05:55

It is an and both people usually

1:05:57

wind up hideously cut. That is

1:05:59

how knives work as weapons. That is

1:06:01

why you don't want to rely on

1:06:03

a knife as a weapon. They're not

1:06:05

a good survival weapon, right? They're great

1:06:07

as tools, but not the one that

1:06:09

he has. It's a dog shit tool.

1:06:11

It's a tool for a fucking idiot

1:06:13

and the only reason he is posing

1:06:15

with this... is not because he trusts

1:06:17

it to protect himself. It's to look

1:06:19

cool to children. Look cool to

1:06:22

children, right? He wants people to

1:06:24

think he's John Wick. And

1:06:26

he has, I've seen multiple videos.

1:06:28

He claims I have three in every

1:06:30

room. I have seen this exact

1:06:32

same machete and several different tape videos.

1:06:34

It's always carefully posed so you know

1:06:37

it's there because Andrew desperately needs 14

1:06:39

year old boys to believe that he's

1:06:41

scary. Here's a photo, Sophie's gonna show

1:06:43

you of him sitting up in

1:06:45

bed wearing sunglasses for some reason. with

1:06:47

an unsheathed machete lying next to him

1:06:49

over the sheets. Just on the bed?

1:06:51

Just on the bed. And

1:06:54

it's shit So dumb. It makes

1:06:56

it very clear fucking headboard and

1:06:58

a shitty fucking bedding and his

1:07:00

shitty fucking shirt. Let's his body.

1:07:02

His primary audience. He's

1:07:04

a little kid sunglasses and shitty

1:07:06

fucking side table and a shitty

1:07:09

fucking curtains and a shitty fucking

1:07:11

lighting and a shitty fucking existence.

1:07:14

Sorry. Yeah, I got really triggered.

1:07:16

His primary audience is children. These

1:07:18

are the boys. Yeah, I

1:07:20

would just like he was like a woman with a

1:07:22

machete. I could think she couldn't do anything to

1:07:24

me like. I would like to take the chance. I'd

1:07:26

like to see it. man. Take the chance. Because

1:07:28

you know what the whole thing about a knife is.

1:07:30

If you get cut in the wrong place, it

1:07:32

doesn't matter how big your muscles are. Right. Exactly.

1:07:34

That's what that's what weapons do, right?

1:07:37

I don't know. They're scary. Knives are scary.

1:07:39

Don't get close to them. versus a

1:07:41

pissed off woman with a machete, like I

1:07:43

would like to see that. Well,

1:07:45

and just like it's not the machete that's

1:07:47

the most dangerous weapon. It's somebody who has like

1:07:49

a fucking three or four inch blade concealed

1:07:51

and they're next to and you turn your back

1:07:53

and grab a drink and she jams you

1:07:55

in the kidney 11 times, you know, you're done.

1:07:57

Like then you're fucking bleeding. you

1:08:00

live, but you don't live well.

1:08:02

Knives are scary. So

1:08:04

again, Shit like this. This is to

1:08:06

impress little boys in primary school or

1:08:08

secondary school whose primary knowledge of knives

1:08:11

from comes from fucking cartoons and action

1:08:13

figures and comic books, right? What

1:08:15

I see here is a guy who

1:08:17

bought a machete because he wanted to purchase

1:08:20

one that he thought was likely to

1:08:22

impress 13 year old boys, right? But I

1:08:24

should note that it's not just little

1:08:26

boys that he is trying to impress. There

1:08:28

is a secondary concern tied for that

1:08:30

in his mind when he does stuff like

1:08:32

this and the secondary concern is much

1:08:34

scarier. Will this, this weapon, these things I'm

1:08:37

saying, this way I'm posing, will this

1:08:39

scare the mostly teenage, 18 to 19 year

1:08:41

old and very young adult girls in

1:08:43

their early 20s that I pick up in

1:08:45

clubs and then later allegedly coerce into

1:08:47

doing on camera sex work? Right. That is

1:08:49

the second simultaneous reason that he does

1:08:52

this because as those allegations in the UK

1:08:54

show, he needs a lot of what

1:08:56

he does is based on them thinking he's

1:08:58

dangerous. I'm going to play you

1:09:00

a video here where Tate answers the question.

1:09:02

I mean, a second video, right? Like we

1:09:04

just played that first one. This is a

1:09:06

video of him giving a speech to some

1:09:08

of the war room guys being asked like,

1:09:10

yeah, what if a woman catches you cheating?

1:09:12

Right. And this is fairly famous. You've seen

1:09:14

it on a lot of coverage. Yeah, I've

1:09:16

seen this video before. Yeah. Let's watch it.

1:09:18

Yep. Can't wait. Yep. You've

1:09:20

seen it before. Trust me. I'm sure

1:09:22

I have. Why is his tongue out?

1:09:25

Yeah. gross. It's gross. Put

1:09:28

that away. Unpleasant. Are you kidding?

1:09:30

Are you kidding? It's bang out

1:09:32

the machete, boom in her face, and you

1:09:34

grip her up by the neck. Shut

1:09:36

up, bitch. Yeah. And

1:09:39

now I will say. I will say this is evidence

1:09:41

that he owns a second machete because that is a

1:09:43

different machete and it doesn't have holes in it. So

1:09:45

there you go. But it also

1:09:47

looks like it's from Teemu. It also

1:09:49

looks like it's from Teemu, maybe Bud Kay,

1:09:51

right? Again, the purpose of these

1:09:53

weapons, of all of his posing with

1:09:55

weapons, of all of his threats about his

1:09:58

power is to scare very young people

1:10:00

or impress very young people. right? Because those

1:10:02

are the folks who don't have the

1:10:04

life experience or the support to recognize or

1:10:06

have any sort of like way to

1:10:08

feel like they can defend themselves against him.

1:10:10

Or, you know, they're little boys who

1:10:12

think he looks like a comic book character,

1:10:14

and that's what they want to be,

1:10:16

right? Those are the those are his audience.

1:10:19

His tongue is just I mean, everything

1:10:21

about him just gives me the anyways. That's

1:10:23

part one of our Entertate updates. Hope

1:10:26

you're all having fun. We will

1:10:29

be back to talk about his real

1:10:31

weapons, the actual weapons, the only

1:10:33

actual weapons. I've seen him wield competently,

1:10:35

which is his digital platform and

1:10:37

his fame, which he is, unfortunately, quite

1:10:39

good at. Wow. Yeah. Anyway.

1:10:42

Ian, you have anything you want to plug? Uh,

1:10:44

listen to 16th minute, my Jamie Loftus.

1:10:46

It's a great show. I may or may

1:10:48

not work on it. Uh, and it's

1:10:50

a good time. do. I do. I do

1:10:52

work on it. the supervising producer and

1:10:55

editor of that podcast. And

1:10:57

listen to hood politics. Prop is doing

1:10:59

great work over there. Um, yeah. And

1:11:01

it's yeah. So if you want to

1:11:03

stay informed and have fun while you're

1:11:05

doing it, take a listen to hood

1:11:07

politics. Yeah. Check out hood

1:11:09

politics. Check out. Anything else

1:11:11

on the internet besides more

1:11:14

Andrew Tate? We'll be

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