0:02

Welcome to Behind the Bastards, the podcast

0:05

that's a podcast legally

0:09

supposed to that,

0:11

Jamie, There's no

0:14

getting around it. This

0:16

is absolutely this is

0:18

a podcast where a man in an animal onesie

0:21

depresses me over zoom,

0:23

a man in an animal onesie who

0:25

also bragged about eating fresh grapes

0:28

during our little break. I kind

0:30

of liked that. Yeah, yeah,

0:33

what I

0:35

watch the Golden Girls, Jamie, Oh

0:40

wait, what do you say that? I do? Know? What did is? Now? Wow?

0:44

Wow, that's good. That's good Golden

0:46

Girls. You know, people say they learned nothing from

0:48

Golden Girls except um,

0:51

you know, amazing sex tips. I learned a lot about

0:53

Golden Girls from you

0:55

did. It's the biggest lesson you

0:58

would say you learned from the Golden Girl, Robert,

1:01

is it always your grapes?

1:04

If you've killed somebody and you need

1:07

to get rid of the body, you

1:09

don't want to use a normal hack

1:11

saw, right, You want to use like ideally,

1:14

like a reciprocating saw of some sort.

1:16

And then the other problem you're gonna have, Right,

1:19

you can't just chop the body up and then

1:21

deal with the pieces. Ship's gonna spray,

1:24

so you're gonna have to cover a wide hilarious

1:27

scene. I didn't learn that from the show,

1:29

but I did learn that from one of

1:31

the Golden Girls when we killed together.

1:34

I learned that from the Jinks. That's

1:37

another perfect murder in the Jinks.

1:40

Well, really, speaking of murder,

1:42

do you want to continue talking about this topic? Yes?

1:47

Um so, Jamie?

1:52

Yes? What is a podcast?

1:57

Oh? What? Oh? Well, it's

1:59

where a series of

2:02

sort of charismatic but maybe

2:05

not that charismatic group

2:07

of Charlatan's. Uh sell

2:09

you a mattress? Oh, Jamie,

2:11

I'm glad you brought up mattress is because Casper

2:15

Mattress has a new offer

2:17

right now. Really, the

2:19

only way that finally the mattress that

2:22

eats your ass, because I've been

2:24

waiting exactly at Jamie. It is the mattress

2:26

that eats ass, whether you ask

2:28

for it or not. This mattress

2:31

doesn't ask consent. It just

2:33

goes for it. See that,

2:36

I It just goes for it. Just

2:40

there's so many scenarios where that is

2:42

going to be a problem.

2:45

Well, Jamie, if you want the mattress that asks

2:47

for consent before eating your ass,

2:49

then you want a perfect distress. That's

2:51

the purple The purple matters checks.

2:55

I've heard that its purple mattress

2:57

very considerate leves for

3:00

it. Now what

3:03

the purple mattress great at consent?

3:06

Checks can't talk about emotions. The casper

3:09

really emotionally open and has

3:11

access to pretty good ketamine, so

3:13

so the pup. So the purple mattress

3:16

is cheaper, but you you will have to

3:18

pay for it. In terms of dragging

3:20

it to to therapy. You're

3:23

definitely not going to get it to therapy easily.

3:25

And again, the casper has

3:27

access to cheap ketamine. So that's

3:30

the great thing about happen Jamie. If

3:32

you want a mattress that eat your ass, you have

3:34

a choice, and that's what

3:36

makes this the best system in the world. Are

3:39

you glad that we got this sorted out?

3:41

Because I've been sometimes

3:44

there's just questions that you know that

3:46

your friend will be able to answer for you, but you just

3:48

don't really know how to like start the conversation.

3:50

You know, I can't call text you

3:52

saying which mattress eats the best ass?

3:57

But I know you knew answer, you know, But we have

3:59

choice. That's what's beautiful we have in Venezuela.

4:02

You're lucky if you get one mattress that eats your

4:04

ass M and

4:06

I we're very lucky here we get to choose

4:08

our ass eating mattresses. And you know what else we get

4:11

in America? Jamie loftus, what is this metaphor?

4:13

What? What? Oh? Wait, yes,

4:16

now I see what you're saying, Joe

4:19

Rogan. Yes, yes, and

4:21

you get a choice too. You can either listen to Joe

4:23

Rogan give you inappropriate

4:25

healthcare advice, or you can just

4:28

not listen to him and be quietly affected

4:30

by everything he says, because his influence

4:33

is so great that even if you

4:35

don't like him personally, epidemic

4:37

rates uh, that will affect

4:39

you and potentially derail your life. Will

4:42

will still I don't know. Here's

4:45

a clip of Joe Rogan announcing that he's

4:47

tested positive for COVID nineteen got

4:49

tested and turns out I got

4:51

COVID. So we immediately through the kitchen

4:54

sank out of all kinds of meds, monoclonal

4:56

antibodies, iver mect

4:59

ins, pack uh,

5:02

pregnizone, everything.

5:05

Oh yeah, keep it on a loop, baby.

5:07

So this is God? Also

5:09

from why is this a

5:12

thing with like gen

5:14

xers that it's like everything

5:17

is from the least flattering

5:19

angle possible. What is that? What

5:21

is the up angle? You know? The

5:24

more so easy to catch

5:26

a better angle, you know? Yeah, But the

5:29

shittier the angle, the more

5:32

it looks authentic. I guess.

5:35

Yeah. Oh, that's how Joe Rogan tells us he's

5:37

one of us. He's one of us. He's one of

5:39

us, just with an extra or

5:42

so million dollars Jamie

5:44

sick. Yeah. If you're a person

5:46

with a reasonable grasp on observable reality,

5:48

you will note that Joe wrote in there specified

5:51

that he'd used his rich person powers to take

5:53

every available treatment, and some of

5:55

those treatments are real medicines. Monoclonal

5:57

antibodies absolutely do some ship

6:00

it um now, they were almost

6:02

certainly unnecessary to him, because it sounds like he may

6:04

just have had asymptomatic COVID and maybe all

6:06

he needed to do with self isolate for a little while

6:08

um, which he did do, I think.

6:11

But monoclonal antibodies probably not

6:13

necessary for him. But if you have actually do get

6:15

sick, can be very helpfully than life saving

6:18

saving. On the other hand, the data

6:20

suggests that iver mectin probably

6:22

doesn't again not solid

6:24

solidified yet we may find that there's some treatment

6:27

case for it yet in the future, but certainly

6:30

not the same amount of evidence that there is for monoclonal

6:33

antibodies. Now, being a healthy

6:35

guy with access to the best healthcare on

6:37

the planet, Joe was always likely to survive COVID

6:40

without much of an issue. And again he may have just had an

6:42

asymptomatic case or mostly a

6:44

symptomatic case. But because he took iver

6:46

bactic alongside everything else, his example

6:48

is going to spur huge numbers of people who can't

6:50

afford monoclonal antibodies or around

6:52

the clock medical observation, but can

6:55

afford to go down to the fucking feed store.

6:57

And that's again part

6:59

of the problem, right. This is how the intellectual

7:02

dark web launders deadly misinformation,

7:04

because if you were to hold Joe's feet to the fire on

7:07

this, he would say, well, look, I didn't say take

7:09

ivermectin if you're sick. I said, we're

7:11

going to do all of the different things. You know, we

7:13

tried everything. We tried all of the different medications.

7:16

Um, And if question, I'm sure he would also explain

7:19

that his iver mectin was prescribed by a

7:21

doctor and that there are doctors like the

7:23

fl C c C who will advise

7:25

taking iver mectin ethan as a prophylactic.

7:27

He also took a treat with lonxiety. YadA, YadA, YadA.

7:30

But again, a lot of the people listening are

7:32

either just kind of here that he endorsed iver macten

7:34

or of all of the things he listed, the only

7:37

one they can afford is ivermectin m

7:40

It's great. So yeah,

7:44

it's good, Jamie, We're not good

7:47

again. This is why the world is domed. So.

7:49

The Intellectual dark Web or i d

7:52

W is a term that was quote coined by

7:54

a guy named Eric Weinstein to describe

7:56

himself and a loose alliance of other right

7:58

wing thought leaders who generally tended to

8:00

not be right wing. So

8:03

embarrassing you came

8:05

up with your own name for what you when

8:07

you don't think

8:11

that's like naming your band corn

8:13

with a K. No

8:16

except Corn rocks, Yeah, corn

8:18

does rock. No hate to corn, don't.

8:20

I get nothing against corn, either the food

8:23

or the band. So just an embarrassing

8:25

name. It is an embarrassing name, but whatever,

8:28

so is Jesus Christ

8:30

God smack. I heard gods

8:34

that. Yeah, that is pretty embarrassing.

8:36

You know what, anyone with a band name, it's

8:39

if you think hard enough about it, it gets embarrassing.

8:42

I think Jamie and I are agreed. The concept

8:44

of music is cringe. Honestly,

8:48

I'm glad someone said it because

8:52

I don't appreciate our die

8:54

alone in a small room. Come on,

8:56

no one asked about your feelings. York.

8:59

I'm kid, I love I worship York.

9:02

York rocks. Jamie

9:05

and she didn't need and she didn't need to. She

9:07

she she just goes by her name versus

9:10

Corn or god Smack Jonathan

9:14

Godsmack has as much of a right

9:16

to his name as Yorks. There

9:19

of the Boston god Smacks, I believe the Boston

9:21

gods kind

9:23

of when I have a kid and name it god Smack, now

9:25

just have to say that ship so

9:28

Smack Evans god

9:31

Smack get down here, because

9:34

I've never listened to one of their songs, and I know that

9:36

would be a lot of people's first question. Oh

9:40

see, yeah, maybe interesting. Maybe

9:42

that is why I've been put on this earth, is to spread

9:45

the good word of god Smack.

9:47

It's because they're from Massachusetts? Is that

9:49

how I know who they are? So my uncle would bring

9:51

us to their concerts. Yeah,

9:54

you know who. What's not from Massachusetts

9:57

is the intellectual dark Web, So that

10:00

actually a relief. I DW started

10:02

out I think around two that's an eighteen by branding

10:04

itself as a reaction to and a rejection

10:07

of authoritarian left wing trends.

10:09

They defined these as cancel culture

10:12

would be a big one. Respect for trans

10:14

people would be another big one. The

10:16

fact that groups of marginalized

10:18

people get angry when you question whether or not there,

10:21

you know, deserve rights.

10:23

The fact that people get angry at that is authoritarian

10:26

to the I DW. So Barry

10:29

Weiss, who used to be Yeah,

10:33

she's the one who popularized the term intellectual

10:36

dark web for a tween article for The

10:38

Times, and ever since, the luminaries of the I DW

10:41

have position themselves opposite the left on

10:43

every conceivable social issue. Now,

10:46

I don't give Barry Weiss credit for much, but

10:48

in that first article on the I d W,

10:51

she did identify what would come to be

10:53

a problem with the intellectual dark web.

10:55

Quote. I share the belief that our

10:57

institutional gatekeepers need to crack the

11:00

it's open much more. I don't, however, want to

11:02

live in a culture where there are no gatekeepers at all.

11:04

Given how influential this group is becoming, I can't

11:06

be alone in hoping the I d W finds a

11:08

way to issue the cranks, grifters and bigots

11:10

and sticks to the truth seeking spoiler.

11:13

They would not Berry,

11:19

that's our berry. Just kidding,

11:22

I don't, I can't standard.

11:24

Okay, that's a lukewarm

11:27

take and it's and it's bari.

11:29

But that's okay, you

11:32

know what, you know what I could?

11:34

Yeah, yeah,

11:36

buck it. So.

11:39

Eric Weinstein, who named the I d W,

11:42

is the managing director of Teal capital

11:44

Um. So he's a real, real upstart

11:47

truth teller really on the he

11:49

just manages billions of dollars

11:51

in wealth. You know, he's a he's an insurgent. He's

11:54

an outsider. He's

11:56

not like the rest of us. He has

12:00

he's not like those rich journalists

12:03

working for I don't know slate.

12:09

He's not like other girls. So

12:12

Eric has a brother named Brett, and

12:14

Brett also is a memberi W.

12:16

Because nepotism. Brett is a

12:18

former evolutionary biology professor

12:20

from Evergreen State College. He got

12:23

famous when he resigned in two thousand seventeen.

12:25

Over the school's yearly day of absence. In

12:28

years passed, during the day of absence, students

12:30

of color had left campus to have conversations

12:32

about race and equity, but that

12:34

year they asked white students to leave campus

12:36

instead, and Weinstein complained. He

12:39

said this led the intolerant left to bury

12:41

him in death threats, which made the campus unsafe

12:44

for him and forced him to resign and sue

12:46

his former employer. He received a half

12:48

a million dollars settlement. Nice

12:52

good stuff, real honest wages. So

12:55

Brett operates with his wife, Heather the

12:58

Dark Horse YouTube channel, which is probably

13:00

the primary non medical source of irrational

13:02

iver mect and exuberance. Bain,

13:04

that's just words, throbber. You can't

13:07

just say those words in that order and expect

13:09

me to think something I

13:12

would, I can, and I have Oh

13:15

okay hm. So

13:17

Brett and his wife left on the anti parasitic

13:20

drug as soon as the first studies into its efficacy

13:22

were released. Like the FLCCC,

13:24

he started off by pointing out that he had a history of

13:26

being right about important COVID facts

13:29

that the medical establishment

13:31

had been wrong about, namely wearing

13:33

a mask. You remember when we

13:35

were out of masks, and doctor said it

13:37

might not be necessary because we didn't know much

13:40

about it at that point. Well, Brett

13:42

claims he was right about that. Who the funk knows,

13:44

um, So it's

13:47

not like masks were an option for most of us. We were

13:49

cutting them out of fucking t shirts, Brett. Anyway,

13:54

I'm gonna quote next from Vice. They

13:56

began promoting I've Met In this spring and interviewed

13:58

Corey on their podcast in early June. Corey

14:01

claimed that public health bodies are ignoring

14:03

the potential uses of iver mactin in the fight against

14:05

COVID nineteen, perhaps deliberately

14:07

striking the same conspiratorial tone that often

14:09

arises in conjunction with flimsy medical claims.

14:12

He speculated that a World Health Organization

14:14

committee was told they can't come out of

14:16

that room with a recommendation for iver macten.

14:18

Corey and Weinstein both agreed that COVID nineteen

14:21

vaccines are being promoted at the expense of other

14:23

treatments, seemingly for the benefit of the same

14:25

sinister they's whom they imply

14:28

control the w h O and other health agencies.

14:31

Another podcast featured Weinstein literally

14:33

taking iver mactin on air. We are not going

14:35

to make any recommendations as to what you should do,

14:37

Weinstein said shortly before doubting the drug.

14:40

And we're not going to say anything conclusive about

14:42

what the data say, because the data are not themselves

14:44

conclusive. However, it doesn't mean the data

14:46

don't imply things. Robert

14:49

I fear that our medium

14:52

is the source of all of society's

14:54

current ills. Well, social

14:57

media, our medium is part of its. Social media

14:59

is really what got the ball rolling before podcasts

15:01

were because this is also on YouTube where

15:03

he's doing. It's like it's all part of it. Podcasts

15:05

are part of it. To this part of it's this whole. You

15:09

know, Barry Weiss talks about the gate

15:11

there were too many gatekeepers, um.

15:14

And the problem is now there are. There's

15:16

no such there's no gate there's

15:18

nothing at all. You just pick

15:21

the facts that are most convenient to you,

15:23

um, and then you get increasingly

15:26

violently agitated when reality

15:28

doesn't line up with those facts, and so you attack

15:31

the capital and start storming school board

15:33

meetings and threatening to murder school

15:35

administrators who demand people. I

15:38

think that they're still gates, but the gates are far

15:41

tinier and very

15:43

easy to knock over. So it's like there's

15:45

one person to each gate, and so you could just walk

15:48

up and they're like, yeah, come on in whatever,

15:50

Like there's no institutional gate.

15:53

Not that I'm advocating for an institutional

15:55

gate, but in this case, there were.

15:57

There were probably were

16:00

way too. It's not like I'm not saying like,

16:02

oh, we need to go back to the good old days when Walter

16:04

Cronkite was the entirety of news, you

16:06

know, when there was one source

16:08

of news. Of course, not the fact

16:10

that there is a massive that

16:13

you can make millions of dollars if you just

16:15

wait until somebody

16:17

makes a vague suggestion that a medication

16:19

might be helpful and then tell them to issue all

16:21

proven medications in favor of that, and then

16:23

claim that you're being silenced by medical authorities

16:26

when doctors say what you're saying is a bad idea

16:28

and that way you make huge amounts of money. That's

16:30

bad. Yeah, you

16:32

should have to be able to like prove

16:35

what you're claiming if you're claiming

16:37

to be an authority.

16:40

I think I don't know. I don't know what the long term

16:42

solution is, and I don't think we'll find it, um,

16:44

but maybe it would be something like,

16:46

Okay, well you told a bunch of people to

16:49

take iver meton and not

16:51

get vaccinated, and these people died,

16:53

So we're going to shoot you in a field. I

16:55

don't know. Yeah,

16:59

yeah, I mean in

17:02

minecraft, of course, but I I see what

17:04

you're saying. So Weinstein went on

17:06

in that episode to claim that neither he or his

17:08

wife have been vaccinated quote because we

17:10

have fears, as we have discussed it length on this

17:12

podcast, and that given the apparent effectiveness

17:15

that iver mectin and iver mectine preventing

17:17

COVID nineteen, why would he bother taking

17:20

the vaccine cost benefit? For

17:22

me? It makes sense, um.

17:25

So when VISs asked Heather and her

17:27

husband which reputable scientific sources they

17:29

followed on ivermectin, Heather responded

17:31

like a truly gifted grifter, And as

17:33

a connoisseur of grifters, I have to give

17:35

her a little clap

17:38

for this response. Quote, we are not following

17:41

any particular experts. That isn't what

17:43

scientists are supposed to do. We

17:45

have been in continue to read the scientific

17:47

literature as it emerges. The one exception

17:50

to this is with regard to Protocol for using Ivermectin

17:52

as a prophylact against COVID nineteen, which

17:55

is listed on the website for the front Line COVID

17:57

nineteen Critical Carolines, an organization

17:59

of dot years of what Dr Corey is a leading

18:01

figure. So we don't

18:04

we aren't following any experts, but we are

18:06

only listening to this one guy and taking

18:09

this medicine because he said too, Um,

18:12

it's good ship. Sure sure, no, that

18:14

that's solid solid. This

18:17

is like absurd, Okay,

18:20

now after it's

18:22

good stuff. After Brett took iver met

18:25

and Live on air, Heather claim she and her entire

18:27

family began taking it as a prophylactic. At

18:29

one point, Brett Weinstein acknowledged that his advice

18:32

might stop people from getting vaccinated. Quote,

18:34

they could well contract COVID nineteen when they

18:36

otherwise would not have. They might die. That's

18:38

not a responsibility I want, but it's I

18:41

feel it's one I must take on because the analysis

18:43

that matters is the net analysis. What is

18:45

the best policy from the point of view of reducing the number

18:47

of people lost to this disease as opposed

18:49

to lost to adverse reactions to vaccines?

18:54

So that's bad

18:56

but it is Brett acknowledging again that

18:59

he know he's going to get people killed.

19:02

It's him claiming, of course that is net

19:04

he's getting less people killed, but he fucking

19:06

knows what he's doing, right, That's that's

19:08

I mean, I guess that's not even really tripping

19:10

me up logic wise, because it's

19:13

abundantly clear that this that

19:15

this group is aware that this is a risk the entire

19:18

time. And I feel like that is

19:20

like, in the case of Joe Rogan, one of

19:22

the only things that is preventing

19:24

him from falling off the edge of a cliff is he will

19:26

never acknowledge that he knows that

19:28

what he is doing that hundreds of millions

19:30

of people consume every week, has a demonstrable

19:32

harm. And if he admits that, then the game

19:35

has kind of changed a little bit for him. But the

19:37

fact that he would admit it, like Brett, I

19:39

mean, would it would admit that

19:41

he's well aware of the consequences

19:43

of his actions in public, that easily

19:46

is like just speaking

19:48

of the consequences of his actions, Jamie,

19:51

So do tell oh

19:54

yeah, oh no, we'll we'll be we'll be getting

19:56

to the consequences of it. But

19:58

you know. So. Brett has

20:00

more than five hundred sixty thousand followers

20:02

on Twitter and three d and fifty one thousand followers

20:05

on YouTube. One of his followers

20:07

was an Englishman named Leslie Lawrenson.

20:09

Note that I said was oh.

20:13

Leslie regularly shared Brett's content.

20:16

Underneath one post where

20:18

in Leslie shared one of Brett's videos,

20:20

he wrote, quote and this is this is Leslie

20:23

iver. Meton has been around for forty years. There have

20:25

been more than four billion doses administered in that

20:27

time, and its risk profile is extremely well known.

20:29

Frontline doctors across the world have reported that

20:32

it is not only safe, but extremely effective and ji

20:34

successfully treating COVID nineteen. Yet

20:36

its use as being suppressed and blocked by every single

20:38

government that is within the purview of big pharma

20:40

and the mainstream media is exercising a media

20:42

blackout a k a. Censorship regarding its existence

20:45

so that the sheep never get to hear about it. Shortly

20:48

after that, he posted a video announcing that he

20:50

had caught COVID nineteen and that he was glad

20:52

of this because the virus was nothing different

20:54

from a normal illness and the potential risks

20:57

of the vaccine were not worth it. Days

20:59

later, his family found him dead in his home. God,

21:02

I mean, it's like, do you need a more one

21:04

to one analysis of what this guy's rhetoric

21:07

is doing. That's that's like, that's

21:09

that's negligent homicide. That should be punished

21:11

the same way as getting somebody with your

21:13

car when you're wasted. Um

21:17

lots of platform

21:21

than ever before Rogan show.

21:23

And yeah,

21:26

I'm not you know, I I'm very critical

21:29

of a lot of like the revolutionary fantasizing

21:31

among some such sections of the left and

21:33

the up against the wall bring out the guillotines

21:36

part, but yeah, sucking bring out the guillotines.

21:38

Let's do It's like, that's that's

21:40

that's right. There's some clear cut

21:43

examples of like, well, that situation

21:46

calls you're

21:48

you are knowingly getting

21:50

people killed for your own personal benefit

21:53

and I don't really care what happens

21:55

to you, Brett, And it's not even

21:57

he can't even like and and there's

21:59

nay him to the faces and he knows

22:01

the names and he knows the faces and

22:04

he doesn't give a ship like that

22:06

is just horrific.

22:08

Anyway, Let's have a Nuremberg for

22:10

disinformation um

22:14

and like the actual Nuremberg Court, most

22:16

of the guilty people will get off scott free

22:18

and later wind up working for NASA, And

22:21

then someone will make to Joe

22:23

Rogan designing the first successful

22:25

mars Lander. H Joe

22:28

Rogan is the Berner von Brown in this Yeah

22:35

what sorry? I see the spaceship

22:37

that Joe Rogan makes. Do

22:40

you I mean, is it possible to make a

22:42

bigger uh like Penis

22:46

complex and Jeff Bezos is? I would

22:48

like to see Joe Rogan try. You

22:50

know, I don't think that Joe Rogan has that same

22:53

particular issue that Jeff Bezos has.

22:56

What what do you think his problem is? What

22:59

makes he has a lot of rob But he strikes

23:01

me. I don't think he's insecure

23:03

like that. That does not strike me as Joe

23:06

Rogan's issue. Clearly, fucking

23:09

both Bezos and Musk are, but I

23:11

think Joe Rogan is. I think Joe

23:14

Rogan would have been a perfectly banal,

23:16

perhaps even positive influence on society

23:19

if we had never developed the Internet. He would

23:21

have been. He would have been great at you

23:23

go in to watch a bunch of sweaty guys punch

23:25

each other and Joe is an entertaining

23:27

announcer, and that would have been

23:31

factor residuals and like living

23:33

in Glendale for the rest of his life,

23:36

and we wouldn't have known the difference.

23:38

No, And you could say, oh, I like Joe Rogan, and

23:40

people would say, oh, yeah, the guy who made people eat bugs.

23:42

He was funny, and that would be the end of the motherfuck.

23:46

I would have no lover.

23:49

I love when people eat bugs. It's

23:51

when you start spreading disinformation

23:54

to hundreds of millions of people,

23:56

to the point where, like you were saying, even

23:58

if you don't give a shit about him, you can't

24:01

escape the consequences of his actions,

24:03

which he claims is free thinking. I just

24:06

I'm getting all sweaty like a Joe Rogan just

24:08

thinking about it. I can't stand it. Jamie,

24:11

you're so shiny right now. Oh my gosh,

24:13

I'm so shy. I'm sorry. All the blood

24:16

is at the surface of my skin. And that's

24:18

why that's happening. Well,

24:21

you know what,

24:25

sweat it's gonna it's

24:27

gonna be some weird, weird thing that will

24:29

make you sweat as the ad. But yeah,

24:32

what's not going to actually a lot of our because

24:34

like if you're taken, if you're taking dick pills,

24:36

they will cause things that

24:38

will lead the sweating for sure, you know, fair

24:41

enough. Sex works. And if you take

24:44

a Honda Odyssey we're sponsored

24:46

by Honda

24:51

hot it is yes, it will, Jamie, Okay,

24:54

just checking. Honda

24:56

Odyssey will eat your ass. Um,

24:59

Oh my god. It doesn't ask for consent.

25:01

But unlike the Casper mattress,

25:03

it does not have a good well

25:06

yeah, at your own discretion. All

25:10

right, we

25:17

are back. We are back and

25:20

and talking about ship.

25:23

That's none of your goddamn business. During

25:25

the break, what do you what do you? What are you doing prying into

25:27

our personal lives? God, damn it.

25:31

I told you once listener

25:34

boundaries on boundary.

25:36

Look, I'm open break down those parasocial

25:39

walls. Come over to my house, poison

25:41

me in my sleep. That is that

25:43

is why we get up. She's

25:46

like one of four people that I really like. You

25:50

can find my You can find my address

25:52

in the show notes. Um,

25:55

it's the only show note we still publish

25:58

because Jamie law This is a dressed in a

26:00

series of recent photo dress come

26:03

to the duplex I live in. There's no

26:05

air conditioner and it's very hot, but

26:09

please don't please. You'll

26:12

notice, Jamie

26:15

that we haven't laid any clips of from Brett's

26:17

YouTube videos. This is because YouTube

26:19

has started removing his content that discusses

26:21

ever mected in vaccines. A week

26:24

or so before I wrote this, Weinstein tweeted

26:26

YouTube just demonetized both dark

26:28

Horse channels, wiping out more than half

26:30

of our family income. Their message

26:32

dropped the science and stick to the narrative

26:35

or else. So

26:38

a bevy of right wing and generally oppositional

26:40

defiant thought leaders spoke up in Brett

26:42

Weinstein's defense. These included Matt

26:44

Taiebe, whose recent turn has really

26:47

bumped me out being a fan of his earlier work.

26:49

Matt wrote an article titled meet the

26:51

censored Brett Weinstein quote,

26:54

as detailed in why has I ever met?

26:56

In become a dirty word? Weinstein is on

26:58

the version becoming one of the more prominent casualties

27:01

to a censorship movement that it's hard not

27:03

to see as part of a whier evergreening

27:05

of America. He's referring to the college

27:08

that that Brett left

27:10

because he was being a baby.

27:13

Yeah, that's where he got he had to resign

27:16

from because he didn't want to walk out

27:18

during anyway. It was he made

27:21

nothing into a big deal because he's a fucking baby

27:23

like all of these fun Yeah, that's the

27:25

m O, right. You know what happens when people ask

27:27

me to do stuff I don't want to do. I I just quietly

27:30

go don't do it, and I don't make a big

27:32

deal about it, because because why would you,

27:35

Like, you don't want to you don't want to leave campus

27:37

during the day when they ask the white people to leave, Just do keep

27:39

doing your thing, suck it like, you don't have to make a big deal

27:41

about it and it'll go away. It's

27:43

fine. You don't have to. You don't have

27:45

to make everything. You don't have to be a baby about everything.

27:48

But if you are a baby about specifically

27:50

things that the left does, then you'll make millions

27:52

of dollars becoming a right wing thought leader, which

27:55

is why he's done it. He doesn't believe anything fun all

27:57

these people the thought leader

27:59

is such a meaningless her. I

28:01

just yeah, every every element of uh

28:04

this man's being is disgusting

28:08

to me. Um

28:11

uh so. Bill Maher

28:14

also came to Brett's defense, along with

28:16

of course, Barry Weiss, glid Greenwald

28:18

and busy on She's

28:21

on Bill Maher all the time. It's

28:24

the most effective Republican working

28:26

today at it. And it's so funny

28:28

because Barry Weiss, in her first article in the id W

28:30

is like, I hope they get a handle on grifters and people

28:32

spreading misinformation, but of course

28:34

when they actually do that, she defends them

28:37

to the fucking hill because she's also wait, not

28:39

the grifters, I like, makes eight

28:41

hundred grand year writing shitty sub stack

28:43

articles about how canceled she is. No

28:47

who is read by these None of these fucking

28:49

people actually suffer consequences.

28:51

They just wind about the consequences they're not suffering

28:53

because they're fucking babies. Fucking

28:56

hate all these people. So um

28:59

Ben Shapiro aimed breadths demonetization

29:01

on the increasingly sensorious

29:03

laughed Weinstey

29:06

took the Odyssey an alternative YouTube

29:08

replacement for canceled people, but the reality

29:10

is that he has not been at all censored. YouTube's

29:13

policies on iver Mectin are extremely

29:16

liberal, as this quote from Vice makes

29:18

clear, and I think this is by Anna Merlin.

29:20

She's done a lot of the best reporting on the ivermectin stuff.

29:24

Yeah, I like her a lot um quote.

29:26

Weinstein's tweets called the YouTube decision an

29:28

assault on science. But according to YouTube,

29:30

even materials that advocate for the use of unproven

29:33

COVID treatments like iver mectin or hydroxy

29:35

clerquin would be allowed, so long as there's

29:37

some nod to the fact that medical and health authorities

29:40

worldwide don't currently recommend them as

29:42

a COVID treatment. Ivermectin as an anti

29:44

parasite and has been widely and safely

29:46

used in both humans and animals for that purpose for decades,

29:48

among other things. As an example, the company

29:51

pointed to a January video from Dr Mike

29:53

Hanson, an internist and pulmonologist, who said

29:55

he was cautiously optimistic about iver mecton

29:57

as a treatment option, but acknowledged that the studies

30:00

conducted on it up to that point weren't numerous

30:02

or necessarily high quality. You see,

30:04

Brett was not demonetized for being a truth teller.

30:07

He was demonetized because YouTube's policies.

30:09

You can say, hey, ivermectin white might work.

30:11

You can even you can even tell people

30:14

things that might leave most of them to take ivermectin

30:17

as long as you're saying, hey, this isn't proven

30:19

yet and the studies are very much inconclusive.

30:22

Right, there's you can talk about

30:24

iver emecton, you can talk about remcting research. You

30:26

can't say it's a wonder drug that works better

30:28

than the vaccines, because that's a fucking lie that will

30:30

get people killed. Brett, you fucking idiot.

30:33

Um, He's not an idiot. He's very good at making

30:36

a lot of money in a very specific evil. No,

30:38

it's like he's he knows exactly what he's doing.

30:40

Like he's

30:45

he's very cannily manipulating

30:48

the information ecosystem

30:50

in order to make a profit. And he is

30:53

will he does not care that it's

30:55

killing people. Um, and he him through

30:58

the shredder. That's

31:00

my best guiety idea. I've

31:02

been saying it for years, the largest

31:05

shredder available. I

31:08

think. Actually what you should do is exclusively

31:10

let him hang out in a room with his biggest

31:12

fans. Make him live with them,

31:16

and he has to listen to all of their opinions,

31:18

no matter how long winded they

31:20

are, which they all are. COVID

31:23

from them, and

31:25

he hust to let them cough on him again.

31:28

Brett is claiming to be censored and shipped.

31:31

He was not censored. He broke

31:33

incredibly permissive policies

31:35

that YouTube has set by literally stating

31:38

on air that i ever Metton was quote something

31:40

like a dcent effective at stopping you catching

31:42

COVID, which it is not, Which

31:45

it is not. They're made. We may

31:47

find when conclusive results come in that i

31:49

ever Metton has a medical case use

31:51

for COVID nineteen. There is a non

31:53

distinctly non zero chance of that um,

31:56

perhaps even a decent one, that it has specific

31:59

uses in eatment um.

32:01

It is not a percent effect if at stopping you

32:03

catching COVID. It's just not. You

32:05

know why. Some of the people who listen

32:07

to Brett Weinstein are dead now. So

32:12

of course Brett is now doing the canceled

32:14

truth tellers circuit. Barry Weiss

32:17

compared him getting demonetized and having

32:19

videos removed from YouTube to a book

32:21

burning um quote, how

32:25

have we gotten to the point we're having conversations

32:27

about important scientific and medical subjects

32:29

require such a high level of personal risk.

32:32

How have we accepted a reality which big

32:34

tech can carry out the digital equivalent

32:36

of book burnings? And why is it that so few

32:38

people are speaking up against the status quo.

32:42

Also, by the way, Barry, Weiss

32:44

and Brett would all have been huge fans of the

32:46

original Nazi book burnings because those were

32:48

deliberately targeting the healthcare of trans people.

32:51

Um Anyway, Joe Rogan

32:53

has acted as a significant amplifier of Weinstein's

32:56

nonsense. In an episode with comedian Dave

32:58

Smith, Rogan said that he'd been listen thing to Weinstein

33:00

and Hyans advice on ivermectin. In the

33:02

same episode, he said that COVID vaccines weren't

33:05

necessarily for most people, and that

33:07

getting them was just virtue signaling

33:09

for a lot of us. Quote, if

33:11

you're like twenty one years old and you say to me, should

33:13

I get vaccinated? I'll go no

33:15

now. In his defense, Rogan later

33:17

called himself a fucking moron for

33:19

this, which is, to be fair, an unequivocal

33:22

statement of fact, that that was

33:24

a stupid fucking thing that he said. The

33:26

problem is that, again, a

33:29

hundred million people listened to those fucking shows. How

33:32

many of them made healthcare decisions

33:34

based on what you said earlier and maybe didn't

33:36

catch the other thing right Like I found

33:38

Jordan Peterson tweeting about ivermectin and

33:40

stuff, and he tweets both the positive

33:42

and the negative studies. Guess which one

33:45

gets twice as many likes and retweets,

33:48

Like, dude, it's I

33:51

look, I say this as a comedian.

33:53

Don't fucking listen to us. We

33:55

don't unless we have unless there's

33:57

footnotes, unless there's ship

33:59

that is like demonstrably but

34:02

like there, I don't know this whole, Like

34:05

it's just not true, Like don't try.

34:07

Why would you trust someone who

34:10

makes a living monetizing their opinions.

34:12

That's like the worst, It's impossible.

34:15

It drives me up a wall anytime

34:17

someone like they're like, oh, comedians are the

34:19

philosophers, and they're like, no, they're they're

34:22

not. No, they monetize their

34:24

opinions. That are kind of funny sometimes

34:26

like that, you know what. He also had a three minute

34:28

bit about a twelve year old girl's genitals. Maybe

34:30

we shouldn't have listened to any of them that much,

34:33

Like there's so

34:35

like it's none of it age

34:38

as well, it's not based

34:40

it's like by design, not

34:43

based in fact, unless

34:45

they're working in some other fucking capacity,

34:47

Like why

34:50

obviously Joe Rogan doesn't know what he's

34:52

talking about. Like then

34:55

his job description that he states his opinions

34:57

for money. I wondered extent.

35:00

You know, Jamie, you and I both worked at Cracked

35:03

for different periods of time and different checks chunks.

35:06

We both we both cash them checks from the

35:08

old place. Um. And a big

35:10

part of cracks business model was like getting

35:12

people to pay attention to fact

35:15

based articles, to like to learn

35:17

things by kind of wrapping them in comedy.

35:20

Um, boy howdy,

35:22

there isn't a day that goes by that. I don't wonder did

35:25

that do more harm than good in the end, because obviously

35:27

we weren't doing this kind of ship. We were not giving people

35:29

healthcare advice about like telling

35:32

them how to take vaccines. But the

35:34

broader trend of like well, it's

35:37

like it's the same with the John Stewart stuff, right the Daily

35:39

Show, where it's like, well, this is you know, quote unquote

35:41

better news than the real news, and it's like, well, no,

35:44

no, it's not. It. Maybe it maybe better

35:46

news than what talking

35:48

heads on like twenty

35:50

four hour news channels give you. Sure it

35:52

may be better than like different news

35:55

anchors, but also what they're doing. Is

35:57

that journalism. They're just reading from

35:59

a fucking pro about actual

36:01

journalism, Like it's not that's a different

36:03

brand of monetizing your opinions.

36:06

Like the problem is so drawt

36:08

and it's not a right wing problem. The right wing

36:11

has monetized and most effectively and used it

36:13

most effectively to derail human civilization.

36:15

But it's it's it's a human problem

36:17

and part of the problem like fundamentally a big part of the issue

36:20

that like, if somebody makes you laugh, you listen

36:22

to them because we like to laugh.

36:25

Like sure, I mean we're

36:27

beneficiaries of that, absolutely,

36:31

absolutely. And there's definitely people

36:33

who think that I know things that I do not

36:35

know I am. I am a legitimate,

36:38

recognized expert on on two

36:40

things. One of them is how extremist groups use

36:42

the Internet to recruit and radicalize people, and

36:44

the other is how not to die while taking

36:47

weird research chemicals that you bought off

36:49

of a Canadian pharmaceutical website

36:51

and anything else that I tell you,

36:53

I'm not an expert. Um,

36:55

you can ask me about cathy comics,

36:58

and you can ask me about the

37:00

history of Chucky cheese, animatronics,

37:03

anything else. It's

37:07

and I don't even I wouldn't even say that

37:09

I'm like an expert on mensa. I have experience

37:11

with them, I've researched them, but it's I can't

37:13

claim to be the main expert on that. That's

37:16

a very large issue that you saying.

37:18

That has made me decide to make

37:20

you my primary healthcare provider. Now,

37:24

how much cancer should I have removed?

37:27

Because I feel like some of it's gould to keep,

37:29

right, you want to have some in there just so you don't

37:31

get lazy, right, Well,

37:33

I like to think of keeping some in there as

37:35

a memory.

37:38

Yeah. The science of memories is

37:41

uh is very under

37:43

researched, and I would say that I'm an expert

37:46

in in memories. You want to keep your physical

37:48

ailments in you just about like two or three

37:50

percent, and you do run the risk of

37:52

them growing and hurting you, But

37:54

don't you wouldn't you be sadder if you lost

37:57

the memory? Absolutely? See, this

37:59

is the kind of hard getting medical advice that

38:01

podcasts were invented to give. It's

38:04

just like it's it's it's so it's

38:06

so frustrating that this

38:09

is happening at the end, and at some point it's

38:11

like I feel like Joe Rogan

38:13

has reached this level of cognitive dissonance where

38:15

he has to tell himself that it's you

38:18

know, not causing the clear harm

38:20

that it's that it's causing because it's

38:22

like too late

38:24

on his career trajectory to start backpedaling

38:27

it. That he's you

38:30

know, platforming really dangerous people

38:32

and has been for basically the entire run

38:34

of his show. I wonder

38:36

how much he thinks about it, because I I fucking

38:38

do a lot, Janie, and I don't try

38:40

not like I don't give people health care advice unless

38:43

I'm literally reading here is the medically

38:46

recognized advice here, Like with a vaccine,

38:48

I'll tell you to get the vaccine because there's

38:50

an overwhelming preponderance of evidence that it

38:53

it saves lives. UM.

38:55

But you know, there's stuff like we did a Bill Gates

38:57

episode, right, and I fucked up a fact in it,

39:00

which was this UM this this circumcision

39:02

program that I still think has some kind of gross

39:04

undertones. But I was wrong about

39:07

a lot of the negatives of that UM and

39:09

I kind of got I found the source that was

39:11

not UM that I should have vetted more

39:13

properly, and I recorded

39:15

a correction. We put it up in the episode, but

39:18

by god, there's still people who will like make

39:20

jokes about that part of

39:22

the episode that makes me think they

39:25

didn't catch the correction. Um,

39:29

And that is which minor

39:31

compared to showing people not to get vaccinated.

39:33

But it's still like, sure it should worry,

39:35

but did you do this? Yeah,

39:38

I mean it's it is um And I feel

39:40

like the nature of and this isn't

39:42

even a criticism of Joe Brogan. I mean

39:45

it's this is like the nature of

39:48

podcasts and the nature of

39:50

a lot of whatever. Like

39:53

I can't think of a less like a worst

39:55

term in the on the planet, but like content

39:57

creation in general, is that there

40:00

is such a pressure on people

40:02

to release so much so quickly

40:05

that it's

40:07

like it's inevitably there's going to be

40:11

stuff that isn't carefully vetted enough

40:13

because of the capitalistic

40:15

demand for there to be more and more and more of it.

40:18

And it's I mean the amount

40:20

I mean, if you just think of the sheer amount of

40:23

information and just like stuff

40:26

that Joe Rogan releases into the world in a

40:28

single week, there's no way that

40:30

it could be properly vetted there's

40:32

not enough time to properly

40:34

vet a show like that, and it's like,

40:36

well, then maybe there's

40:39

an issue with how it's being done.

40:41

I don't, but but there's such a

40:43

clear incentive for him to do that

40:46

that maybe that makes it worth the cognitive

40:48

dissidence that he's clearly hurting people. I don't know,

40:50

it's just it's it's it's

40:53

a real problem, Jamie. I mean,

40:55

I I don't

40:57

know. This is this is like the biggest moral

41:00

laundry within my my own life,

41:02

my own personal ethics. Like I'm way less worried

41:04

about the ethics of me personally driving

41:07

a fucking car that burns

41:09

gasoline, and I am worried about the ethics of life

41:12

we got behind the Bastard's got like five and

41:14

a half million downloads last month, right, and then

41:16

another one point.

41:19

Well, but I'm something

41:23

up And depending on what

41:25

you funk up, it can permanently

41:27

alter someone's the way

41:30

people think about the world. And I'm not trying to be

41:32

arrogant there. I have people talk to

41:34

me about the influence things

41:36

that I've said have had on them, and I think

41:38

it's generally been positive. Like it's often

41:40

someone being like I was, you know, on the alt right or

41:42

whatever and like the night, and so I feel fine

41:45

about that, but like you don't actually

41:47

know what impact you're having on all them,

41:49

because maybe it's more subtled for a lot of people. Maybe

41:51

you say something off handedly that is

41:53

inaccurate, and for whatever

41:56

reason, it causes someone to make a

41:58

choice they wouldn't eitherwise have made and they're not

42:00

even aware of it. Because when you're producing

42:02

content at that kind of scale, to that kind of

42:04

that many people, I don't know, we should

42:06

all be more concerned about what we're doing for

42:08

a living. I guess I

42:11

agree. Yeah. I mean it's like we're certainly

42:13

like not above this criticism in any way. It's

42:15

something that like I think about all the time

42:17

where it's I mean, we're we're above it, and that neither

42:20

you or I or pretending or giving people

42:22

a vice on taking unregulated and

42:24

unapproved medications to treat a pandemic.

42:27

We are better than them, I will say that,

42:30

Yeah, we're better than the

42:32

people that are killing people. But that

42:34

but what a low bar to clear.

42:37

I think about that a lot, where it's like there's time there's

42:39

times that people have like I

42:41

don't know, or just sort of you

42:44

hear someone's takeaway from

42:46

your work repeated back to you, and just

42:48

like I've had moments where someone has said

42:50

something to me of like well when I heard

42:53

that you did this, I was like, oh wow, and

42:55

and it was like, well, that's not

42:57

really what I was saying. That's

43:00

not really what I was saying, but that's what you took away.

43:02

And that's kind of the

43:05

the risk that you take when you release shipped

43:07

into the world. Like it's just I

43:10

don't know, I mean with obviously not a

43:12

new problem, but on this like scale

43:15

and in this way, it it really uh

43:17

is it stressful? Yeah, it's made

43:19

me. Unfortunately, the most influential

43:22

people on the planet don't give a ship. So there you go.

43:25

Yep, so there you They don't think about

43:27

this at all unless they're thinking. So

43:31

this was a long digression, but I think a necessary

43:33

one. Um. I want to get back to that episode.

43:36

Rogan did the Emergency episode with Weinstein,

43:38

Weinstein and Dr Pierre Corey Um

43:40

where they talked about how and one of the things they

43:42

talked about they brought up a lot of bad science,

43:45

including the what was it

43:47

the fucking um um This one

43:49

of the studies we broke down earlier UM,

43:52

but one of the things that Corey

43:54

talked about in that episode was that the virus had been

43:56

quote eradicated in monkey kidney cells

43:58

in a lab test UH and the cells.

44:01

The kidney cells that they had used are called varo

44:03

cells, which are used by virologists

44:05

in research UM, including some

44:07

early research into hydroxy larkin last

44:09

year. But as Wired reported

44:11

in increasing evidence suggests

44:14

that varrow cells actually might be a

44:16

terrible thing to use for studying treatments

44:18

to coronavirus is in this way. Quote.

44:20

Human lung cells contain at least two different enzymes

44:22

that can help the virus sneak through their membranes. With

44:24

vario cells, however, only one of those modes of entry

44:27

is available, and it turns out to be the one that hydroxy

44:29

chlorine will block. Pullman and his team

44:31

publish the results in the journal Nature on July

44:34

twenty two. For him, it's a clear example of

44:36

while using human lung cells is really important

44:38

in studying this pandemic virus, varrow

44:40

cells should be handled with caution. Pullman says,

44:43

it's true that the varo cells are very popular,

44:45

but unfortunately for this particular aspect of COVID

44:47

nineteen research. They are absolutely not useful.

44:50

I think this is now clear to the field. And

44:53

that's again part of the issue. What Corey

44:55

is saying isn't a lie. You couldn't prosecute

44:57

him for it or like take his medical license.

45:00

It's true that there was a study where they eliminated

45:02

COVID the nineteen and monkey kidney cells in

45:04

the lab test using i've ever met. The

45:06

problem is that when you actually look in varo

45:08

cells in their use in COVID nineteen virology

45:10

research, they're very flawed. And

45:13

that's not what you're getting in that fucking Joe Rogan

45:15

episode. And it's a thing that it's

45:17

very frustrated um. In conversations

45:20

with Rogan, Weinstein Pup pushed the extremely

45:22

successful line of claiming that iver mectin

45:24

is being suppressed as a treatment because it's not profitable.

45:27

You have a drug that's good enough to in the pandemic

45:30

at any point you wanted. Who decides to prioritize

45:32

business interests ahead of that? I find it hard

45:34

to imagine. He speculated that

45:36

the pharmaceutical industry has corrupted

45:38

the system of approving new drugs and that because

45:40

there's no profit to be made from ivermectin,

45:43

it's being ignored or smothered now.

45:45

During their emergency episode discussion, Dr

45:48

Pierre Corey backed Weinstein up in this line

45:50

of reasoning, claiming no one is going to fund

45:52

pharmaceutical trials around i've emectin.

45:54

No one, he said, is championing i've e mectin

45:57

except for my little group of nonprofit doctors.

46:00

I can't say they're not nonprofit. I'm not. Really, my

46:03

little doesn't

46:05

mean they're not making money. That's how nonprofits work.

46:08

Yeah, yeah, boy,

46:11

Okay that was that

46:15

gave me a migraine. Okay. Also,

46:18

what he said is just objectively untrue. A lot

46:20

of people are funding pharmaceutical trials around

46:22

ivermectin. A study from Spain was published

46:25

earlier this year that showed no difference in outcomes

46:27

as a result of ivermectin use. Oxford

46:29

University just announced that they would be studying ivermacton

46:31

as part of a massive study on COVID treatments.

46:34

There have been a bunch of studies on ivermectin

46:36

which are very like have

46:39

a lot of disputing, like different kind

46:41

of results to them, but like it's not. It's

46:44

not being ignored, it's being studied. You're

46:46

just demanding that people come to

46:48

a conclusion about it before the actual science

46:50

is there, because you're a grifter. Now,

46:53

it's worth noting that the main manufacturer

46:55

of iver macton Um has also

46:57

warned people against taking their medicine from

46:59

cod that they recently announced that

47:01

their own product has quote no scientific

47:04

basis for a potential therapeutic effect

47:06

against COVID nineteen from pre clinical

47:08

trials, no meaningful evidence for clinical

47:10

activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID

47:12

nineteen disease, and a concerning lack

47:14

of safety data. And

47:16

I'm not one to go to bat for big pharma,

47:19

but they have a profit motive in they

47:22

would make a lot of money by pretending

47:24

otherwise. Um right,

47:26

So yeah, it's it's like, I don't

47:28

even think it's going too bad for big Farma to say

47:30

that. The fact that they it was this series

47:33

of an issue that yeah, from a like

47:35

game check, like what else do you need

47:37

to hear? Please stop taking our horse medicine

47:40

for covid? So right,

47:42

right, they don't do that very

47:44

often. They're not one to pass on a check.

47:47

We've talked about the flcc in the intellectual

47:49

dark web so far. But there's one last bad actor

47:52

in the Iramicton story that I should probably explain,

47:54

an organization called America's Frontline

47:57

Doctors. These cats came onto

47:59

the scene in July when a group of

48:01

them gave a press conference on the steps of the Supreme

48:03

Court urging people to take hydroxy clerk

48:05

wine. They claimed that the mental toll of

48:08

the lockdowns was worse than the virus, which

48:10

by that point had killed several hundred thousand Americans.

48:12

While the FLCCC started their public

48:14

careers by making serious medical claims that

48:16

wound up being very valid, the a f l

48:19

D was bogus from the get go. They timed

48:21

their coming out speech to coincide with a major

48:23

push President Trump made to convince governors

48:25

to reopen states. The basic idea

48:27

was that hydroxy clerklin was all the medicine

48:30

American needed to reopen. This was patently

48:32

absurd, and the medical community responded accordingly.

48:35

From time quote, to the extent

48:37

that the mainstream medical community paid attention to the

48:39

group at all, it was to point out that these doctors

48:41

making the statements lacked the expertise to

48:43

comment. There was no evidence that any of the doctors

48:45

who spoke that day had treated patients severely ill

48:48

with the virus. According to MedPage Today, a

48:50

peer reviewed medical news site, none of them

48:52

were infectious disease experts or worked

48:54

in intensive care units during the pandemic. One

48:56

was best known for promoting bizarre religious

48:58

beliefs, including tweeting that American needed deliverance

49:01

from demon sperm because people were

49:03

falling ill from having sex with demons and witches

49:05

in their dreams. Two of the front line, two

49:10

of them were ophthalmologists, only one

49:12

of which was still licensed the

49:15

emergence. Yeah, so again f

49:18

l C c C. These are more credible

49:20

doctors. But just because someone says it's an organization

49:23

of doctors, dig a little deeper.

49:25

You know who else? Were all doctors? The guys

49:28

prescribing people in l A marijuana

49:30

back in the mid odds, and most

49:33

of them were day drunk while doing it. They were

49:35

not doing medicine. They were giving us access

49:37

to pot, which it is fine, but it

49:40

wasn't medicine, which is it's

49:42

a victimless crime, but it's so.

49:45

The quote from Time the emergence

49:48

of a f l D was a coordinated political

49:50

effort months in the making. The group was the brainchild

49:52

of the Council for National Policy, a secretive

49:55

network of conservative activists. During

49:57

a May eleventh call of CNP members

50:00

that was leaked to the Center for Media and Democracy,

50:02

a progressive watchdog, group members

50:04

complained that Trump was being slammed for his handling

50:06

of the pandemic, including failing to follow

50:08

scientific guidelines. The group needed

50:10

their own medical professionals to promote their message,

50:13

they said, in the face of data showing two thirds

50:15

of Americans were wary of restarting the economy,

50:18

so very much

50:20

an AstroTurf sort of thing to

50:22

to justify a reopening, you know, at the

50:25

cost of people's lives. Nancy

50:27

Schultzer, republican activist, had spoken

50:29

up during this call and hinted at the existence

50:31

of the a f l D. Quote, there

50:33

was a coalition of doctors who were extremely pro

50:36

Trump that have been preparing and coming together for

50:38

a war ahead in the campaign on healthcare,

50:40

and these doctors could be activated for this

50:42

conversation. Now, get

50:45

it's all out there. All of this is public information.

50:48

Obviously they're

50:52

talking about they're talking

50:54

about this like they're fucking like

50:56

deep frozen Marvel heroes that they

50:58

could be activated for a that's

51:00

just yeah, but you know, okay,

51:03

frozen Marvel hero Jamie who,

51:08

the products and services that support this podcast

51:10

all crash landed into the Arctic

51:13

while trying to something

51:17

to do World War two? Right? Do they have good

51:19

butts? Do they have good butts?

51:22

It's incredible sometimes

51:24

talking about Chris Evans here, right, yeah,

51:29

we're talking about we're talking about but from

51:31

as look, nobody's you

51:34

know, there's a lot of scientific debate about round

51:36

Iver Mecton. Ain't no debate around Chris

51:38

evans Is ass. No,

51:40

that's a there's some things that bring people

51:43

together, and Chris Evans's

51:45

ass is one of those things

51:47

exactly, and a

51:49

cure for COVID nineteen. Anyway,

51:52

Roberts what, I

51:55

don't know. I mean, I guess it's spreading the rumor that

51:57

Chris Evans, what would

51:59

you does his like? And I

52:01

don't want to destroy his ass

52:05

for fake science. The

52:07

good news about Chris Evans's ass

52:09

is that I don't

52:11

know. I don't know how to continue this joke. So

52:20

obvious we're back, and obviously

52:22

scientific evidence eventually made it clear that hydroxy

52:25

clorkman is not a miracle cure. We

52:27

got our vaccines. Trump lost the election,

52:29

and the virus kept mutating because of

52:31

a bunch of people refused to

52:34

wait to get vaccinated before going on

52:36

in public and also to get vaccine. Anyway, whatever

52:38

it happened, you know the story, listener.

52:40

The a f l D continued to shift and

52:43

change to offer effective disinformation at

52:45

every stage of the pandemic. At the start, the group's

52:47

leader, Dr Simone Bold had focused on the

52:49

danger of the lockdown and minimize the deadliness

52:51

of COVID. Once hundreds of thousands of people

52:53

were dead, she pivoted to claiming that hydroxy

52:55

clorkman could save lives and in the pandemic,

52:58

the a f l d s videos were regular really shown

53:00

on info Wars, and the group partnered with the right wing

53:02

conspiracy theorist named Jerome Corsi to

53:04

sell prescriptions for hydroxy poor quin via

53:06

a sketchy tele medicine site. In

53:08

January, Dr Gold took part in the January

53:11

sixth insurrection. The A f l

53:13

D sent emails to their begging for

53:15

urgent and generous donations to withstand

53:18

such aggressive assaults from the ruthless enemies

53:20

of free speech. They raised nearly half

53:22

a million dollars for Gold's legal defense.

53:24

I know it's rad right, Oh

53:27

my god, it's good. Okay,

53:30

just keep reading this. The

53:32

al spent the spring and early summer

53:34

engaging in predictable grifts. They held a

53:37

national RV tour, which sold v I

53:39

P tickets for a thousand bucks a pop to meet Dr

53:41

Gold complaints. On the l a f l

53:43

D telegram channel, they could clear that these appearances

53:46

were regularly canceled at the last minute.

53:48

One user in Cleveland wrote on June twenty two

53:50

that hundreds of US registered and received no information

53:53

or cancelation notice, to which the a f l D

53:55

monitors responded the events could quote continue

53:58

only when everyone donates what they hand

54:00

monthly. Just a fucking

54:02

grift. With the luster off

54:04

of hydroxy corkland, the A f l D focus

54:06

of messaging on just being anti vax for a

54:09

while. They called the vaccines experimental

54:11

biological agents and blamed them for

54:13

forty five thousand deaths. All of

54:15

this was pretty bog standard stuff, and the A f

54:18

l D was honestly languishing a little behind

54:20

the pack in terms of COVID disinformation

54:23

until ivermectin came onto the

54:25

scene. When it did, the A

54:27

f l D turned out to have the best infrastructure

54:30

in place to take advantage of it because they

54:32

had been They had this telemedicine network,

54:34

They had these deals with like companies with pharmacies

54:36

and whatnot through a telemedicine network to prescribe

54:39

people hydroxy corkland, and they were able

54:41

to just pivot that ship to getting people

54:43

prescriptions for ivermectin, And they had

54:45

a hundred and sixty thousand followers on

54:47

their telegram channels to sell shipped.

54:49

To quote from Time, two

54:52

pharmacists told Time they were alarmed when they

54:54

noticed an odd surgeon I ever met in prescriptions

54:56

called in by telemedicine doctors in recent weeks.

54:58

We're calling it the second coming of hydroxy poor

55:01

quint. When pharmacist in Maine says noting

55:03

he had seen prescriptions come in from quack telehealth

55:05

prescribers in Texas, Florida, Illinois,

55:07

and California, it's wild to me and other

55:09

pharmacists I've talked to you how people won't get a vaccine

55:12

that is well tolerated and effective because it's

55:14

experimental, but they'll take a dose of ipromectin

55:16

that's been extrapolated based on weight from equine

55:19

veterinary guidelines. On social

55:21

media, a f l D is one of the top organizations

55:24

steering customers to the de warming medication

55:26

as a coronavirus treatment. On its website,

55:28

people looking for COVID nineteen medicine are told

55:30

to click on the link labeled contact

55:32

a Physician and pay ninety dollars for a

55:34

consultation. The link takes customers

55:37

to another website, Speak with an m D, where

55:39

they're asked to submit payment information and

55:41

told one of the frontline doctors will call them

55:43

within a few days, with sick patients being

55:45

prioritized. The group describes this

55:47

is the same process that you, like,

55:50

get your dog to be able to go on a plane

55:52

with you an emotional

55:54

support dog system, whereas your

55:56

just give someone a hundred dollars and then you

55:58

get to do what you want for base stically no reason

56:01

or to not have to pay sorry to like get your

56:03

dog into a building, which

56:07

is fine. So the service

56:09

they use is called Encore Telemedicine,

56:12

which is one of a bunch of different services that purports

56:14

to connect patients to doctors who can

56:16

write prescriptions. A lot of perfectly

56:18

legitimate services do this. I've gotten prescriptions

56:21

for allergy meds and the like renew it this way.

56:23

But the doctor I do telemedicine through was also

56:25

a real doctor that I visited in person since

56:27

two Well,

56:30

yeah, my doctor offers you can do like

56:32

follow up visits and stuff via zoom

56:35

and stuff during the pandemic, and so it's

56:37

like, yeah, I believe

56:39

you're visiting a real doctor. Yeah,

56:41

yeah, for that, I'm visiting a real doctor.

56:44

When I went ketemy and I go to a Mexican veterinary

56:47

well actually usually just to feed supply story.

56:49

They sell it O TC over there. Rot.

56:53

Do you want some ketamine? Jamie? Want

56:56

not today? I mean give me a couple

56:59

of weeks. Say your friend's dog has

57:01

nerve pain. Oh,

57:04

I've h

57:07

I don't know. I don't know. You're doing

57:09

what you're doing what all those boys in high

57:11

school tried to do to be It's

57:13

funny because I went with a friend, Uh,

57:16

well he tried to get ketamine first,

57:18

allegedly. Uh. And

57:21

they wouldn't sell him ketamine because

57:23

he's like tattoos his own hands

57:25

and just looked like the kind of person who was

57:27

trying to buy drugs from Mexican

57:30

veterinary store. And I

57:32

just like memorized how to say. I think

57:34

it was Mi amigos pero es delores de

57:36

nervos katemino portovore, which

57:38

crudely means my friend's dog

57:40

has nerve pain. Can you give me

57:42

some ketamine? And by god it worked every

57:45

time? That is,

57:47

how can you get medicine for your friend's

57:49

dog? That makes no sense? Uh?

57:53

You know what, I

57:56

know you didn't fool

58:00

Yeah, So anyway, since

58:03

two thousand fifteen, Encore has been run

58:05

from a golf club in suburban Georgia, so

58:08

not a real doctor. About as legitimate

58:10

as my ability to get Academy prescriptions

58:14

written from Encore go through Ravcup,

58:16

a digital pharmacy in Florida whose

58:18

address Time describes as quote a dilapidated

58:21

white structure by a strip mall. Rev

58:23

coup calls in prescription orders to local pharmacy

58:26

sounds like a fake name. Like either fake

58:29

name is even bad m it's

58:32

good ship um. When the service

58:35

switched over to selling prescriptions for ivermectin,

58:37

Time notes their telegram channels for complaints

58:39

about the service quote. Many users

58:41

call the arrangement a fraud. Still no drugs

58:44

as has prescribed, have not heard from their pharmacy.

58:47

Very disappointing, wrote one user on telegram

58:49

August first. It took my money though, definitely

58:51

feels like a scam. That same day, another

58:54

frustrated customer wrote, you tell

58:56

us the vaccine producers are getting rich office. Seems

58:58

like you are doing very well yourselves. Yeah,

59:02

maybe follow that line of thought, buddy. Other

59:04

supporters who had been promised they speak

59:07

to a f l DS trained physicians were

59:09

upset when the doctor pressed them to get the vaccine

59:11

during a paid phone consultation. Not

59:13

happy at all with that. But one woman who said

59:15

her doctor's telemedicine doctor had told her to

59:17

get vaccinated in addition to prescribing

59:19

iver medon, I felt I could trust

59:22

them not to push the vaccine. Severely

59:24

disappointed. He's

59:26

giving you the drugs like come on.

59:29

Dozens of messages reviewed by Time were from people

59:31

with sick family members who were begging for a f

59:33

l d S to escalate their cases.

59:36

A woman named Cynthia, who had paid the fee

59:38

ninety dollars is a lot for us, she said, wrote

59:40

that she had never been called back. Please help,

59:43

my husband is sick and it looks like he does

59:45

have a hard time breathing. Moderators

59:48

for the A f l D s group on Telegram

59:51

have tried to claim that issues with the service

59:53

or the fault of the CDC, who they say

59:55

have carried out a blockade on iver mecton.

59:58

When clients complain about failing to received

1:00:00

services once their physician fee is paid,

1:00:02

a f l D claims that this is out of their

1:00:04

hands quote because of hippa.

1:00:07

But there is no blockade of ivermectin. The

1:00:09

simple reality is that all these groups have so

1:00:11

thoroughly fucked the information ecosystem

1:00:14

around COVID that people have bought up every

1:00:16

pill, dip and paste body they can find, while

1:00:18

Joe Rogan and others like him get the prescribed

1:00:21

human version of the drug. Desperate people

1:00:23

who believe the f l C, C c R, A f

1:00:25

l D or Brett Weinstein often wound

1:00:27

up self medicating with fucking sheep dip.

1:00:30

And this brings us to Facebook. Of all

1:00:32

the things we've talked about, most

1:00:34

of the ivermectin Facebook stuff is

1:00:36

not a grift. It's the result of

1:00:38

guys at the top, like Dr Corey and

1:00:40

Weinstein spreading vaccine distrust

1:00:43

in vague bullshit about ivermectin and

1:00:45

institutions like the a f l D being

1:00:47

unable to provide prescriptions for most of

1:00:49

their clients. A lot of people who believe

1:00:51

the ship are too poor to use these service as anyway,

1:00:54

so they turn to veterinary medicine and

1:00:57

so and because like they're trying to

1:00:59

figure out how to use it, right, they want advice they

1:01:01

can't afford to use any of these other services. They

1:01:03

get on Facebook groups, right, These are not There

1:01:06

are grifters in these groups. There are people

1:01:08

who like scan for just like what random

1:01:10

medications people are telling you to to take on Facebook

1:01:12

and then buy them up to sell them and stuff like that

1:01:14

does happen. But most of these people just

1:01:17

think they're protecting their family and are

1:01:20

very bad at vetting information. Um.

1:01:23

So there's a shipload of these ivermected Facebook

1:01:26

groups. Some of them have tens of thousands of members.

1:01:28

More pop up every day. Vice

1:01:30

did a solid investigation where they looked at several

1:01:32

of these groups and quote in another

1:01:34

group with more than two thousand members, an administrator

1:01:37

focused Wednesday on updated protocols

1:01:39

from the Frontline COVID nineteen Critical Care Alliance

1:01:42

the FLCCC, the administrator wrote,

1:01:44

is as of this week advising people to take two

1:01:46

to three times as much iver mectin as it had

1:01:48

previously recommended for early treatment

1:01:50

of COVID. Members of the group studied charts

1:01:52

and attempt to find out just how much they would need to

1:01:54

squirrel away. And yet another group, which

1:01:56

has twenty six thousand members and promotes itself as

1:01:59

a medical team, a user who had just

1:02:01

tested positive for COVID, asked for help.

1:02:03

I tested positive this afternoon, day two

1:02:05

of symptoms, she wrote, and I literally cleaned

1:02:07

out my pharmacy supply of ever mecton and I

1:02:09

only have enough for two doses until Friday.

1:02:12

I'm one pill short of each dose from my weight.

1:02:14

Basically, I have to skip a day and I can only

1:02:16

have one dose accurately weight based until

1:02:18

I get more on Friday. Should I take one

1:02:20

full weight based dose and one less than weight

1:02:22

based or two equal doses both the same amount.

1:02:25

Either way, I have to skip a whole day, which is disappointing.

1:02:28

Users advised her to frontload her dosing

1:02:30

from maximum efficacy.

1:02:32

Facebook's rules officially prohibit

1:02:35

this sort of thing. You're not allowed to sell fake

1:02:37

cures for COVID or make claims that are unfounded

1:02:39

COVID treatments. But the reality is that the sheer

1:02:41

size of Facebook makes moderation impossible

1:02:43

and they don't really try. Um.

1:02:46

When Vice brought specific groups up to Facebook,

1:02:48

those groups were removed. But I ever, meta aficionados

1:02:51

keep creating new slang terms to use for the medication

1:02:53

in order to evade sensors. We saw this with like the

1:02:55

Boogloo boys going with big Igloo

1:02:58

or whatever. Right, it's just how this ship works. In

1:03:01

these groups, people don't just provide each other with

1:03:03

advice on how to acquire and take ivor macdon.

1:03:05

They provide emotional support for what

1:03:07

they believe as an unfair crusade

1:03:10

against what doctor Corey calls a wonder

1:03:12

drug. Quote help a person

1:03:15

posted to a Facebook group laying out the particulars

1:03:17

of how a family member hospitalized with COVID nineteen

1:03:19

was being treated with oxygen, antibiotics, steroids

1:03:22

and expectorants. He's going downhill fast.

1:03:24

They're not willing to give him iver mecdon. Why

1:03:27

do hospitals not allowed treatment of iver mecdin.

1:03:29

I still can't wrap my mind around it. Another distressed

1:03:32

person who described their father being hospitalized

1:03:34

with COVID nineteen posted to a Facebook group

1:03:36

is it straight up money? Later, this person

1:03:38

updated their post. I just talked to

1:03:40

the doctor with all the bad news. I asked

1:03:43

him about iver mecdin. He said the words that will haunt

1:03:45

me forever, iver mecton as a quack. This

1:03:47

fucking doctor trolled me as he's telling

1:03:49

me my dad is dying. Oh

1:03:52

my god.

1:03:56

M hmm. It's rough ship now

1:03:59

when taken as direct excuse, Jamie, ivermectin

1:04:02

is actually a very safe drug if you are taking

1:04:04

it the way it is supposed to be taken and

1:04:06

taking it for things that it helps with. Yes,

1:04:09

it's a very safe drug, but many

1:04:12

of these people are just buying horse paste and taking crude

1:04:14

calculations again, like the FLCCC just

1:04:16

tripled how much they recommend you say overdoses

1:04:19

of ivor mactan are becoming increasingly common

1:04:21

and have a variety of side effects from blurred

1:04:23

vision, dizziness, hallucinations, lung issues,

1:04:25

comas, and seizures. According

1:04:27

to the CDC, there has been a three increase

1:04:30

in calls to poison centers this year and a fivefold

1:04:33

increase from the baseline in July, and

1:04:35

most of that is believed to be resulting from ib

1:04:37

mactin use. In Mississippi, at least

1:04:39

thirteen people called poison control if you're taking

1:04:41

iver mactin in a single month. Sevent of

1:04:44

those calls from people who ingested veterinary

1:04:46

forms of the drug, and like as

1:04:48

I. After I finished this episode, there were new

1:04:50

articles one patients overdosing on ivry

1:04:52

mactan are backing up rural Oklahoma hospitals

1:04:55

and ambulances from news for UM.

1:04:59

Yeah, Dr Gellia said that patients

1:05:01

are packing his Eastern and Southeastern Oklahoma

1:05:03

hospitals after taking I ever met indoses meant

1:05:05

for a full size horse. UM.

1:05:07

The e r s are so backed up that gunshot victims

1:05:09

are having hard times getting to facilities where

1:05:11

they can get definitive care and treated. So

1:05:15

that's fu UM. And there's

1:05:17

another one. It's just yeah, I've

1:05:20

met in. Poison control calls increased in Minnesota

1:05:22

in mid COVID nineteen pandemic. Sorry,

1:05:25

I won't even read a quote. It just keeps

1:05:27

happening. It's everywhere. It's increasingly common.

1:05:30

Um, So yeah, and it's and and and the fact

1:05:32

that this is even happening. I mean, it's

1:05:34

just I don't know, the Facebook

1:05:37

group uh posts,

1:05:40

those are so fucking stark, And it's like, in

1:05:42

order to even and I'm I guess I'm

1:05:44

speaking strictly to Americans

1:05:47

specifically, or you know, people from rich

1:05:49

countries that have plenty of fucking vaccines,

1:05:52

um that it's like this in

1:05:55

order to be engaging really firmly with

1:05:57

you know that kind of stuff,

1:06:00

you've already been sold and convinced

1:06:02

of several bills of

1:06:04

lies like this, The iver

1:06:07

imacting thing is several layers deep, and

1:06:09

things that you already needed to have believed

1:06:12

in order to get to the point where this

1:06:15

would be sold to you as an

1:06:17

idea of hope and an idea of of

1:06:19

of handling

1:06:21

disease. It's just, God,

1:06:24

it's terrible. It's terrible because it's like, I

1:06:26

don't know, it's when stories like this, it

1:06:28

always it's hard

1:06:30

because it's like they're whatever. People

1:06:32

are firing off tweets that are objectively

1:06:35

funny about ship like this. But then

1:06:37

when you when you hear comments like that and you hear specific

1:06:40

things, it's like those.

1:06:42

It's just like several

1:06:45

layers of coercion

1:06:47

and desperateness

1:06:50

that lead to the way people

1:06:52

the way people are acting and putting themselves in their families

1:06:55

at risk. Like it's just talking

1:06:58

off so things I

1:07:00

learned. So I just mentioned blurred vision isn't

1:07:02

common overdose side effect and ivermectin.

1:07:05

Because of this, a lot of people in these Facebook

1:07:08

groups are not telling each other that you know

1:07:10

it's working when your vision gets blurred. That

1:07:14

now people are giving themselves river blindness.

1:07:18

It's amazing. Um,

1:07:21

there's I'm not going to go in and read these,

1:07:23

but there's a lot of reports of people pooping what they

1:07:25

think are worms and now they're convincing themselves

1:07:27

like, oh, I've got parasites and what's actually

1:07:29

happening. We talked about this in the Bleached Drinking

1:07:31

Church episode, where like parents are forced to bleached

1:07:34

to their artistic kids to cure it, and they see that they're

1:07:36

like passing all of these these they're they're full

1:07:38

of parasites. They're passing these worms. It's intestinal

1:07:41

lining. They're shifting out the landing of their intestines

1:07:43

because they put so much poison into their fucking bodies.

1:07:46

Um, it's just

1:07:48

without

1:07:50

it's like as I'm talking

1:07:52

about Yeah, yeah, hm,

1:07:56

I don't know. Yeah, it's a

1:07:59

lot of what we were talking amote in part

1:08:01

one and also now is is like

1:08:03

it to me? And I'm not an expert

1:08:05

in in this in any way, but it

1:08:08

seems like a lot of the issues with autism

1:08:12

anti vaxers was that

1:08:14

they read a bunch of bullshit studies

1:08:16

that were not proven, and we're later redacted,

1:08:19

but it didn't matter because the damage had already been

1:08:21

done and it's like that same exact pattern

1:08:23

is present here. Yeah,

1:08:25

and when that study gets redacted, that's

1:08:27

just proof that the

1:08:29

deep state censorship. Yeah.

1:08:33

Ship anyway, Jamie,

1:08:35

how you feeling? That's the episode? Oh

1:08:38

man demolished?

1:08:41

How are you? Oh?

1:08:43

Pretty good? I think I might get back out onto my

1:08:45

Lana. I pick a couple of tomatoes,

1:08:48

you know. Oh yeah, Well,

1:08:50

as long as you're as as long as you're

1:08:52

on the Lanai consuming your produce

1:08:54

that I think that you know, you'll you'll be fine.

1:08:57

I've got to go. I've got to go take five rain

1:09:00

pills and sweat in a freezing cold

1:09:02

room. That idea

1:09:05

sounds like we're doing

1:09:08

yes, yes, it's the new golden

1:09:10

standard for all comedians. We have to do it

1:09:14

or we'll never work in this town again. That this

1:09:16

town being Austin, Texas, of course, mhm,

1:09:21

the only town, in my opinion, Jamie,

1:09:23

where can the good people on the internet find

1:09:26

you other than Austin, Texas where you

1:09:28

are no longer allowed? After I

1:09:31

was, I was banished, I

1:09:33

was banished. Listen

1:09:35

I sweat

1:09:38

too good? I posed a threat. Uh,

1:09:41

you can find you can listen to Act casts. That's

1:09:43

my podcast about Kathy

1:09:45

comics and twentieth

1:09:47

century American feminism. You

1:09:50

can listen to the Bechtel Cast. You can listen and

1:09:52

anything you want. It's not my business. Uh,

1:09:55

you can follow me on social media if you can

1:09:57

find me. That is, Listen

1:10:00

all of Jamie's shows. Just

1:10:02

do it, Hey, listen to all my shows.

1:10:05

They're great. I'm not yeah,

1:10:09

produced every single one of them, even

1:10:11

a little. And check

1:10:13

out appearance on the

1:10:16

Joe Rogan podcast where

1:10:18

I get advice on

1:10:21

how to learn how to drive

1:10:23

with your eyes closed, because you know, big

1:10:26

farmers trying to convince people that you need

1:10:28

to look at the road like a cock, but

1:10:31

real close

1:10:33

their eyes and let Look, Luke Skywalker

1:10:36

didn't need his eyes to blow up the Death Star. You

1:10:39

don't need your eyes to drunk drive

1:10:41

down to the seven eleven to get more white cloth.

1:10:45

Damn, look on

1:10:47

that note, I'm gonna go let my mattress eat

1:10:49

my ass. Live your truth. Thanks.

1:10:54

Uh This this at

1:10:56

cool Zone media at bastards Pot. Okay, bye

1:10:59

right