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Taking you deeper into classic

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rock's most timeless tunes. Here's

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your host, Janda. Good times,

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for this bonus episode of the

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Behind the Song podcast to talk

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about the movie that is on

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the lips of every Led Zeppelin

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fan the world over, becoming Led

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Zeppelin, the documentary. I'm here with

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Christian. Good morning or good evening

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if you're listening in the

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evening. So I have to

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note that this movie, Becoming

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Led Zeppelin, was the biggest

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music documentary that was ever

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first released on iMacs. And

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it's no wonder that so

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many people flock to see

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it because it was the

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first of its kind ever.

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The first documentary that Led

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Zeppelin ever allowed to be

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made about them, period. Yeah, I

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mean, you know, everybody that knows

1:00

about Zeppelin in any way knows

1:02

that they're very, they keep everything

1:04

real tight. They keep everything real

1:06

close to the chest. To me,

1:09

they seem pretty private, you know,

1:11

as individuals. They seem like for

1:13

some of the biggest rock stars

1:15

of all time, they're relatively private

1:18

dudes. And yeah, for them to

1:20

sort of open up the vaults, if

1:22

you will, to the filmmakers and do

1:24

this, that alone was a big deal.

1:26

The fact that it delivered is a

1:28

big deal too and I think that

1:30

that's what a lot of people are

1:33

responding to. So I have to say right

1:35

off the top musician so a

1:37

lot of documentaries fall flat for

1:39

me because I know about the

1:41

history usually when the band cooperates

1:43

I don't know if I want

1:46

to bother because it's almost just

1:48

like a PR job. They probably

1:50

have a greatest hits thing coming

1:53

out or they're going to do

1:55

a reunion tour. This. While it

1:58

wasn't salacious, it felt... I

2:00

think the way it was

2:02

made, it felt revelatory. They

2:04

used actual isolated tracks from

2:06

the original recordings to show

2:09

you how songs, a couple

2:11

of them came together and

2:13

things like that made it

2:15

so a musician like me

2:17

could really dig it, you

2:20

know, and I think... It's just it

2:22

was made with such care and I

2:24

think that's a lot of what people

2:26

are responding to Yeah, that's a really

2:28

good point I think a lot of

2:31

care was put into this becoming Led

2:33

Zeppelin documentary Because the filmmakers knew good

2:35

and well and that the three remaining

2:38

members of the band were not going

2:40

to be interested in much of what

2:42

anybody had to offer I mean

2:44

they are famous for turning down interview

2:47

requests, much less making a whole documentary

2:49

about, you know, any part of

2:51

their career. It's just not done. I

2:53

was just reading actually, the page said

2:56

that he's been pitched over and over

2:58

for documentaries through the years,

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just constantly, and it's just

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cringy. Because a lot of,

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I think a lot of filmmakers, when

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you take a band like Led Zeppelin,

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you know that they became the biggest

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band in the world, starting in America.

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And we know, you know, all of

3:15

the sort of sorted stories, you know,

3:18

the Hyatt House, the Riot House in

3:20

Los Angeles and the crazy times. Allister

3:23

Crowley. Allister Crowley and all

3:25

that stuff. This does not focus

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on that. And by the way,

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if you haven't seen becoming Led

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Zeppelin yet, there will be

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some spoilers here, so just be forewarned.

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bad things together, seen things, we

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shouldn't have seen things together, seen

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yeah, it doesn't focus on that

4:56

stuff. It doesn't focus on the

4:58

girls, the women, the sex, drugs,

5:01

and rock and roll. It focuses

5:03

on those beginning years when Jimmy

5:05

Page left the Yardbirds and picked

5:07

up fellow session musician John Paul

5:09

Jones. So here's these two guys

5:11

in London-based crack players. You know,

5:14

session guys who were highly sought

5:16

after. played on all kinds of

5:18

soundtracks and other recordings. They were

5:20

the hired guns that everybody wanted.

5:22

And then you had these other

5:24

two, John Bonham and Robert Plant,

5:26

these sort of like mystical country

5:29

guys. You know, they were not

5:31

Londoners. They were... And they were

5:33

jobbers. They were... They worked in

5:35

bars as opposed to working studio

5:37

sessions. You know, they were... completely

5:39

different. The coming together of these

5:41

four individuals is kind of amazing.

5:44

It was an amazing thing to

5:46

see happen. One thing that they

5:48

pointed out wonderfully in the beginning,

5:50

in the opening montage with Good

5:52

Times, bad times playing, was that

5:54

they were all war babies. They

5:56

were all children that came up

5:59

while World War II was still

6:01

happening. They weren't even baby boom.

6:03

They were like... pre just pre

6:05

baby boom. They came up with

6:07

rationing. They came up with their

6:09

playing in rubble because it had

6:12

been bombed out. So they had

6:14

this shared experience of that. And

6:16

I was thinking about these guys

6:18

going through that. And there's such

6:20

a class of rock stars that

6:22

are that age. And I was

6:24

thinking about the rationing and everything.

6:27

And like those kids never wanted

6:29

to go through that again. They

6:31

were going to make something happen.

6:33

But Doing it the way their

6:35

parents did was not going to

6:37

get them out of this scene.

6:39

They had to go for it.

6:42

You feel that in all of

6:44

the documentary footage or the biographical

6:46

footage of their youth, you get

6:48

that sense of we need to

6:50

get out of here, we need

6:52

to overcome, we need to surpass.

6:54

And I think that drive existed

6:57

in all of them, but I

6:59

have never seen a more confident

7:01

young man than... Jimmy Page. Yeah.

7:03

Like the footage of him playing

7:05

on TV when he was 12

7:07

or 11? Right. Right. No problem.

7:10

No problem. Just getting up there

7:12

playing, singing, doing his thing, just

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looked like he was born to

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do it and at every step

7:18

he had he just willed stuff

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to happen. Those guys weren't ready

7:22

for sessions. 35 year old men

7:25

were playing sessions. Those Those two,

7:27

JPJ and Page, were teenagers. And

7:29

they blagged, as you would say

7:31

in England, they blagged their way

7:33

into it, but they proved to

7:35

be good enough and they were

7:37

going to make it happen. It's

7:40

crazy to me. They just, teenagers,

7:42

yes, we will play on Shirley

7:44

Bassi Goldfinger. It will happen. Right,

7:46

which is one of the, one

7:48

of the, you know, studio sessions

7:50

that they were, they were locked

7:52

in on. and hired to perform

7:55

on. The fact that they were

7:57

teenagers is a very good point,

7:59

you know, with Jimmy Page, he's

8:01

like, I'm up here, I've got

8:03

this opportunity. I'm going to make

8:05

this happen." And that was that.

8:08

And I think that that was

8:10

pretty much his MO. You do

8:12

see it in this film. You

8:14

see him as a young man

8:16

of confidence, you know, in his

8:18

younger years and how he just

8:20

carried that through. Once he had

8:23

a little bit of cashier with,

8:25

you know, the yardbirds. Forget about

8:27

it. Forget about it. He was,

8:29

he was, that was what he

8:31

was going to do and he

8:33

was going to do it big

8:35

and he was going to get

8:38

and assemble, you know, the best

8:40

players that he could possibly find.

8:42

And what magic when the four

8:44

of them did come together? Magic.

8:46

There's a really wonderful bit of

8:48

silent footage. Just pre-yard birds walking

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up to Abbey Road with his

8:53

guitar and he is so chuffed.

8:55

to be walking up to Abbey

8:57

Road, but he looks like, yeah,

8:59

I'm supposed to be here. To

9:01

me, that's part of becoming Led

9:03

Zeppelin is the drive of Jimmy

9:06

Page. One of the unique things

9:08

about how it was done is

9:10

that the story is told through

9:12

the band member's own perspective. This

9:14

isn't a bunch of, you know,

9:16

hangars on or people that were

9:18

in their orbit talking about the

9:21

experience. This is the three remaining

9:23

members of Led Zeppelin. Plus, some

9:25

audio footage from John Bonham that

9:27

the filmmakers were able to get

9:29

to give him a voice. So

9:31

it's all really from their perspective,

9:33

period. And you do sense that

9:36

from Jimmy Page that the drive

9:38

to make this happen was immense.

9:40

And I also got, kind of

9:42

for the first time in my

9:44

life, a lifelong Led Zeppelin fan.

9:46

Robert Plant is a side of

9:48

him that I hadn't seen because

9:51

there just isn't a whole lot

9:53

of footage, you know, outside of

9:55

him performing available. So you get

9:57

this sense that he was this

9:59

kind of of like sprightly guy

10:01

who landed where he would land

10:04

but also was confident in himself

10:06

too as a singer because you

10:08

can't sing like Robert Plant unless

10:10

you are that confident because it's

10:12

been it's been tried tried again

10:14

and again. People that try to

10:16

sound like Robert Plant when they

10:19

sing. It's just not the same

10:21

thing. You certainly, if you're to

10:23

hear somebody covering them, it's painful.

10:25

When you hear those metal guys

10:27

that try and get in that

10:29

range, it's just nobody sounds like

10:31

him and it's not as real.

10:34

It's not as authentic because I

10:36

don't know. As a singer, I

10:38

will tell you this. You have

10:40

to push a lot of air

10:42

to get up in that range.

10:44

You have to belt, you know,

10:46

and if you're not sure... Your

10:49

instinct is not to belt. It's

10:51

to kind of keep it quiet

10:53

and to kind of be like,

10:55

oh, maybe nobody will hear me.

10:57

I'll just be back here or

10:59

whatever the case. He just got

11:02

up there and let it rip.

11:04

And to Jimmy Page's credit, he

11:06

heard that voice and was like,

11:08

oh. That's it. That's the missing

11:10

piece for my band. And nobody

11:12

had heard that voice yet. Nobody

11:14

was doing that voice. So for

11:17

him to hear that and say

11:19

that's the missing piece, again, Jimmy

11:21

Page, a bit of a genius.

11:23

I'll tell you this. Robert Plant

11:25

is the one and only guy

11:27

that could ever wear sandals on

11:29

stage in a performance as he

11:32

did. And we saw in this

11:34

documentary and still look cool. I

11:36

mean, it's just, I just, I

11:38

don't know how he did that.

11:40

It's, it makes no sense to

11:42

me whatsoever. You're not supposed to

11:44

be able to wear like brown

11:47

thong sandals on stage and look

11:49

cool, but he's, he's sure did.

11:51

And they were rocking so hard

11:53

in that particular bit of footage

11:55

and in like, Paige is doing

11:57

the duck walk, I mean, it's

12:00

the full on lead Zeppelin thing

12:02

and then the camera goes down

12:04

and he. wearing sandals. But it

12:06

didn't matter. Robert Plant broke the

12:08

mold in terms of, you know,

12:10

frontman for a band in many

12:12

ways. Of course, there are other,

12:15

you know, excellent frontman in the

12:17

classic rock bubble there, Freddie Mercury,

12:19

obviously, and so many others, but

12:21

Robert Plant was special. And every

12:23

little yip that he did in

12:25

those songs and in those recordings

12:27

were so important. And I just

12:30

can't see the songs ever being

12:32

that impactful. Otherwise, without him in

12:34

particular as a singer. Then you

12:36

got Jimmy Page over there doing

12:38

the, you know, the violin bow

12:40

on the guitar. You know, then

12:42

you've got John Paul Jones on

12:45

base totally locking in with the

12:47

powerhouse John Bonham. I mean, they

12:49

were they were so special and

12:51

then their music hit the press.

12:53

And it's amazing to believe that

12:55

Now in 2025, when we're talking

12:58

about this, that when Led Zeppelin

13:00

debuted and when they came out,

13:02

the press hated them. Rolling Stone

13:04

was monolithically powerful at that time

13:06

and hated Led Zeppelin. I think

13:08

it probably did break their hearts

13:10

a little bit, but they got

13:13

over it real quick. Oh yeah.

13:15

In 1969 when Led Zeppelin debuted,

13:17

the English press hated them too.

13:19

They were written about as if

13:21

they were just apping American roots

13:23

and blues music, but if you

13:25

look at the concert footage that's

13:28

in the films and you get

13:30

a load of what was actually

13:32

happening on the stage, they were

13:34

thrashing loud, hard rock. They were

13:36

coming at you like a lead

13:38

balloon, you know? I mean, there

13:40

was nothing really like that at

13:43

the time. I mean, on that

13:45

note, I got to mention... It

13:47

was confirmed in this documentary that

13:49

Keith Moon did name the band

13:51

because he literally said the phrase

13:53

that I just mentioned. Yeah. That'll

13:56

go, your music will go over

13:58

like a... balloon and it ended

14:00

up having a double-edged meaning because

14:02

when Led Zeppelin played it must

14:04

have been something so sort of

14:06

transcendent to see even if you

14:08

had seen the who at the

14:11

time which was probably their nearest

14:13

contemporary. I was gonna say the

14:15

who the kinks may be on

14:17

a smaller level but the who

14:19

would be the the only other

14:21

antecedent I would say yardbirds. Only

14:23

because Led Zeppelin's first gig, as

14:26

we learned in this documentary, was

14:28

as the Yardbirds, because it was

14:30

booked as a Yardbirds gig, and

14:32

they had to go do it

14:34

as the Yardbirds. That would be

14:36

the closest. Also, the English press

14:38

was looking at it, like, this

14:41

is just the guy that was

14:43

the last guitar player in the

14:45

Yardbirds. It's his new band. It's

14:47

nothing more than that, you know,

14:49

so the expectations were low. You

14:51

know, you already had, like Eric

14:54

Clapton was already around. So they

14:56

were like, oh, well, if it's

14:58

not Eric Clapton doing the blues,

15:00

it's probably not good. You know,

15:02

that kind of thing. That's a

15:04

good point. You had John Mayall

15:06

and the blues breakers and, you

15:09

know, all of those guitar playing,

15:11

you know, songwriters and guitar-fronted bands

15:13

that did take from, you know,

15:15

the Roots of American Music. So

15:17

they already had that as a

15:19

precedent. So... Zeppelin blew it up.

15:21

Like I keep coming back to

15:24

this thing, you know, Peter Grant,

15:26

like I said, was a little

15:28

bit underserved in the documentary, but

15:30

his wrestling background, and I think

15:32

of it again, like Led Zeppelin

15:34

blew up the blues in almost

15:37

the WWF style, like color and

15:39

vibrancy, big and, uh, costumes, you

15:41

know, later, but like we just

15:43

have this thing thinking about Led

15:45

Zeppelin as me anyways, like a

15:47

Godzilla that just kind of rolled

15:49

through everything, but to a very

15:52

indifferent England at the start, you

15:54

know. I mean, they had to,

15:56

so many bands have gone to

15:58

England to make it, like American

16:00

band, Jimmy Hendricks being the prime

16:02

example, somebody who couldn't buy a

16:04

record deal over here and then

16:07

went to England and everybody loved

16:09

him, McCartney, right away. Going the

16:11

other way, it rarely happens. I

16:13

can't really think of any other

16:15

situation. Led Zeppelin actually blew up

16:17

in America first. And maybe didn't

16:19

have the good press. But they

16:22

had the reviews of the shows

16:24

that you couldn't deny were big

16:26

sold out, something you'd never seen

16:28

before. So yeah, it took a

16:30

while in their home. But again,

16:32

it seems to me like there's

16:35

a lot of will happening in

16:37

Led Zeppelin. And Jimmy Page's will

16:39

is something you can never underestimate.

16:41

Probably to this day, I would

16:43

imagine. Yeah, at the end of

16:45

the day, the story of Led

16:47

Zeppelin will be a story of

16:50

willing it to happen. Will to

16:52

power. Will to power. I also

16:54

think, yeah, the Peter Grant part

16:56

of the Led Zeppelin story is

16:58

very important. Peter Grant, the super

17:00

manager, and like you said, he

17:02

did have a wrestling background, and

17:05

he does make an appearance in

17:07

the documentary, but you cannot. overstate

17:09

his importance to Led Zeppelin becoming

17:11

Led Zeppelin. He was tough, he

17:13

was feared, he was wily and

17:15

smart, and he was all about

17:17

Led Zeppelin. And you did not

17:20

mess with Peter Grant, and you

17:22

did not mess with Led Zeppelin.

17:24

And that's probably a one big

17:26

reason why, unlike a lot of

17:28

bands, especially in the late 60s

17:30

and early 70s, Led Zeppelin were

17:33

never a singles band. They didn't...

17:35

put out a single, see how

17:37

it went, put out another one

17:39

and then do the album. No.

17:41

They put out their debut album,

17:43

they went on tour, while they

17:45

were on tour. they recorded their

17:48

second album. So their first and

17:50

second albums were released, you know,

17:52

months apart. Let's up one and

17:54

two. And all the while, Peter

17:56

Grant is back there making sure

17:58

that they had the best billing

18:00

on tour, making sure that the

18:03

album was going to be released

18:05

as a whole, which is what

18:07

Jimmy Page envisioned for the music

18:09

that they created. Not a single,

18:11

but a complete album. And making

18:13

sure that nobody messed with his

18:15

band. really struck me when we

18:18

left the screening, and I think

18:20

I said this to you, was,

18:22

you know, Jimmy Page is definitely

18:24

a genius, I think, a musical

18:26

genius. I think also Peter Grant

18:28

might be some kind of genius.

18:31

Definitely. He managed the Yardbirds. And

18:33

like I said, Jimmy Page was

18:35

just, he was the last guitar

18:37

player for the Yardbirds after Clapton

18:39

and Mail and Peter Grant stuck

18:41

with him. And was like, no,

18:43

this is the guy, I'm going

18:46

to stick with him. The yardbirds

18:48

break up, he stays with Jimmy

18:50

Page, just put together whatever band

18:52

you want. Spinal tap, I have

18:54

to just say something. Okay. We

18:56

know in Spinal tap, it's all

18:58

a parody. Everything is heightened. the

19:01

manager carries a cricket bat and

19:03

threatens people with a cricket bat

19:05

and of course this seems like

19:07

a great you know mockumentary bit.

19:09

Sure. Peter Grant carried a cricket

19:11

bat. He really did that real.

19:13

They got that from Peter Grant

19:16

genuinely going into promoter's offices with

19:18

a cricket bat and he was

19:20

like six four six five big

19:22

guy very intimidating. He famously You

19:24

know, as far as ticket sales,

19:26

bands were getting robbed back in

19:29

the 60s. They just were. So

19:31

robbed. You're getting on package tours

19:33

where 10 bands would play, you'd

19:35

each get 20 minutes, and you'd

19:37

make a weekly salary or whatever.

19:39

Peter Grant changed all of that.

19:41

They got 90% of the ticket

19:44

sales. They were the only band

19:46

to do that. They got the

19:48

highest royalty rate that had ever

19:50

been given to a rock band

19:52

by Atlantic Records. It was all

19:54

Peter Grant strong-arming these people, basically.

19:56

I mean, you have to have

19:59

a good product if you're going

20:01

to be successful. Obviously, these things

20:03

work in concert, but yeah, man,

20:05

Peter Grant, you're right. Without Peter

20:07

Grant, I don't know. We're not

20:09

going to have the monolith. that

20:11

we have that is Led Zeppelin.

20:14

And without the band, you're not

20:16

going to have all those amazing

20:18

songs, good times, bad times, everything

20:20

on the first two albums, all

20:22

the music that we heard in

20:24

the documentary off, you know, the

20:27

early stuff from Led Zeppelin, just

20:29

totally reinforced my love for this

20:31

band and how completely unique they

20:33

are among all other, you know,

20:35

blues influenced rock bands, whether you're

20:37

from England or from here. There

20:39

was some kind of a quality,

20:42

you know, when these four individuals

20:44

got together and played music together

20:46

that I don't think has ever

20:48

been recreated in any in any

20:50

way in any meaningful way. That

20:52

catalog is so vast and it

20:54

has so much to offer from

20:57

acoustic folk rockabilly, blues, obviously. It's

20:59

so varied, but it's so varied,

21:01

but it's all done so well.

21:03

And yeah, it's the songs. It's

21:05

just the songs that we'll keep

21:07

coming back to. I would recommend

21:09

to anyone who can still see

21:12

it in a theater do. You

21:14

should really see this movie loud.

21:16

We were lucky enough to see

21:18

it in a great little theater

21:20

that had it cranked. And I

21:22

just, last words before the light

21:25

went down, I said to Janda,

21:27

I just hope it's loud. And

21:29

when good times bad times, kicks

21:31

in again, spoiler alert, it will

21:33

blow your head off. that will

21:35

blow your head off. So awesome.

21:37

I mean, we sound like a

21:40

couple of fans because that's what

21:42

we are. You know, and on

21:44

that note, I will say that

21:46

I did see that it looks

21:48

like the physical release will be

21:50

coming in spring on Blu-ray and

21:52

DVD so people can have it.

21:55

And then it looks like Becoming

21:57

Led Zeppelin will hit streaming services

21:59

this summer, like June, July. I

22:01

know people are curious to see

22:03

this, who have it, and like

22:05

me, I would watch it again

22:07

right now if I could. Right

22:10

now. I'm so thankful to the

22:12

filmmakers, you know, I'm thankful to

22:14

them. for the work that they

22:16

put in making American Epic, which

22:18

was, you know, their calling card

22:20

to their entree into doing this,

22:23

because I guess, you know, the

22:25

remaining members of the band figured

22:27

if they could spend 10 years

22:29

digging up stories about, you know,

22:31

roots music and blues music in

22:33

America and go all around the

22:35

Deep South and everything like that,

22:38

then they wouldn't have any problem,

22:40

you know, you know, chasing around

22:42

all the best footage with Led

22:44

Zeppelin's blessing. which is what they

22:46

did. So, you know, the whole

22:48

story all in with the band

22:50

and this film even being a

22:53

reality is a story about, you

22:55

know, you know, having a good

22:57

product and sticking with it and

22:59

having the will to see it

23:01

all succeed. So, you know, that's

23:03

kind of the story of Led

23:05

Zeppelin and of this movie. I

23:08

talked about the execution of the

23:10

records. They were just executed perfectly.

23:12

And Zeppelin has kept up an

23:14

amazing quality control their whole career.

23:16

They've never associated with anything uncool

23:18

or you know or anything that

23:21

fell out of fashion then later.

23:23

And the movie was made with

23:25

that same kind of execution and

23:27

and care about the details and

23:29

about you know quality control. And

23:31

so yeah, you're right. I mean,

23:33

they did a great job and

23:36

I too am am

23:38

thankful for that because

23:40

again, as a

23:42

musician, you never

23:44

know. You never

23:46

know with these

23:48

things. these things and this

23:51

one, it it'll blow you

23:53

away blow you

23:55

away. It'll knock

23:57

your socks off. Absolutely

23:59

I mean I mean,

24:01

and that's the

24:03

other part of,

24:06

I think, this

24:08

whole story whole

24:10

wrapping up here

24:12

is that here is

24:14

know you got

24:16

a good product, you

24:19

take care of

24:21

it. Definitely of it.

24:23

it. bubble wrap

24:25

it if you got the goods. the

24:27

Words to live by. live by. All right.

24:29

I think we should probably wrap

24:31

it up here up Thank now. Thank you,

24:33

for dropping in on this bonus

24:35

chat and for providing your musical insight.

24:37

That's always appreciated. always You're very

24:39

welcome. You're very All right. And on the

24:42

way, much more on the way, much more,

24:44

roll. rock and roll.