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97 .1 FM The Drive

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presents The Behind The Song

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Podcast. Taking you deeper

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into Classic Rock's most timeless

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tunes. Here's your host,

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Janda. I'm Janda, joined by

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Christian Lane for this bonus episode

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of The Behind The Song Podcast.

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Hi, Christian. Hey, how are you? So

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the last episode of Behind The

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Song was a dive into I Melt

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With You by Modern English, a

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song that I love, that is in

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a movie that I love. And

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I know that you love too, Valley

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Girl, the great Valley Girl movie

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soundtrack. And one of the things I

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think that's so interesting about this

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song, aside from how it's just never

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gotten old over the 40 years

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that it's been in the ether, is

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there's a different sound to this

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song that you wouldn't always associate with

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a new wave tune. So for

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me, yeah, I love, love new

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wave, but I've always associated it

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with the synthesizer. This song is

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really driven by the acoustic, and

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I guess it's just something I

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don't think about acoustic guitars

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when you think about music

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that's made with a lot

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of synthesizers. So let's hear

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a little bit of the

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acoustic that you're talking about

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in the recreation that you

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did for this episode of

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the podcast. Yes. MUSIC

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Yeah, I mean, that guitar sound,

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you don't associate with 1980s

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New Wave. And now it's like

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the birds or something, you

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know? Like, the thing about it

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is, too, is fully driven

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by the acoustics. Like, that's the

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main rust of the song,

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is the acoustics. It has synth

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in it, for sure. It's

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got earworms, galore. But it's an

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acoustic guitar song. Yeah, and

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that's so interesting that you mentioned

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the birds, because I suspect

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that that little acoustic guitar inclusion

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in this song is one

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of the reasons that it became

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such a big hit, because

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there's something classic about it. You

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hit the nail on the

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head right there. I really do

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believe. I think, you know,

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for most classic songs, when they

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get popular, there's something familiar

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about them already. You know, a

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really good song sounds like

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it's already been here, and it's

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just already been in your

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life somehow. And I think this

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song has that. Yeah, I

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think that's the power right there.

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So let's hear how that

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acoustic guitar sounds now in the

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actual recording of I Melt

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With You by Modern English. So,

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yeah, you can hear this sheen

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to it, this, like, glistening

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sort of finish it. the mix

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that I think is kind

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of what slots it easily into

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New Wave, but they did

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it predominantly with acoustic guitars. It's

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really neat. It kind of

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reminds me of what ZZ Top did

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with the Eliminator album, you know,

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putting in the synthesizers on their blues

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based rock. Here you have the

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opposite of that. That is such a

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great point. It's cool. Drum machines,

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especially with acoustic, I think is really

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cool. It's when bands would kind

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of mash things up and put things

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together that, you know, maybe you

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wouldn't normally think of them being together

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or really featuring them. This

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song has never lost its

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legs. It just keeps chugging

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along and its placement in

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Valley Girl is really crucial

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to its success as well. I

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can picture it, can't you? Can't

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you picture the montage where they're

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really falling in love? That's what

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a good place to song will

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do for a movie. And

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then in turn, what a movie can

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do for a song. And when

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they have that synergy where people can't

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separate them, it's just really strong.

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And it really helps everybody, I think.

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It absolutely was almost like another

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star in that montage scene

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the song was. And there are

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so many movies that you

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can say that about. I mean,

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when I think about Almost Famous, I

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think of America by

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Simon and Garfunkel. Tiny

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Dancer. When the sister

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is driving away. And

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of course, Tiny Dancer. I

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don't know if there's a better example

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of a song working for a scene

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and a scene working for it. It's incredible.

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It gives me chills thinking about the

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way the band all kind of, they

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were fighting, but the way they come

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together, singing the song

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together and just trite as that

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sounds. It's so powerful and

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it reminds us why we love

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music so much and why

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it hooks us so much and why

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we need it so much. The entire

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Almost Famous soundtrack

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is is basically, I mean, that's

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a shining example of. Well, here

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you had Cameron Crow who wrote

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for Rolling Stone. This is his

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movie. So he had some cashier

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going into it with some of

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these songwriters and some of these

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artists and the publishers of their

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work. You know, this is a

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famous example of the rare time

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that a Led Zeppelin song is

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allowed, you know, in a movie

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soundtrack. But you got the mighty

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Led Zeppelin four times for almost

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famous. They don't do that very

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easily. You think of pulp fiction

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stuck in the middle of the

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year from Steelers wheels? I don't

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know. That's another one that just,

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you can't imagine it without that

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song. What about, ever since Guardians

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of the Galaxy came out, Mr.

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Blue Sky by E.L.O. took on

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a whole new life and got

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a whole new fan base, a

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younger generation of fans coming in

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like, what is that song? you

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know, maybe digging into the ELLO

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catalog, which is the beautiful part

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about all of this music, you

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know, getting placed in movies. The

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multi-generational thing from films, I just

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think that's such a great thing

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that hopefully they'll discover it and

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go deeper with it. I'm just

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sort of switching back and forth

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here in my mind about movies

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and songs. Gross point blank. Let

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my love open the door. Pete

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Townsend. I mean... Wow. It's perfect

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because, you know, again, when a

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song speaks to something in the

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movie and, you know, Cuzak's character

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is so shut down emotionally, and

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it just seems so perfect to

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say, let my love open the

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door. And you just, you feel

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like that's a message to him

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as well. that you know with

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love he can be a more

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open person like incredible how the

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song speaks to the movie in

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that case or or sheds more

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light on a character it's fascinating

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it's incredible when that works and

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It's just really impactful. Just really

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slows things down and takes you

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to a very specific place. And

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I think that's the beauty of

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Another movie that I absolutely

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love, the movie and the soundtrack.

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I know you're going to agree

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with me on this one. Pirate Radio.

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Perfect. It's based on a real-life

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thing that happened where regulation was

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getting in the way of radio

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stations playing songs that people wanted

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to hear in the 60s. So

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around England, in the UK, these

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literal pirate radio operators would get

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on boats because it was in

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international waters. So the rules didn't

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really apply and they would beam

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their signal out across the water

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and across the airwaves And they

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were playing amazing stuff. So if

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you haven't seen this movie. Oh

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my gosh is one of my

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favorite actors Bill Nye is in

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it as the pirate captain the

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captain of the ship You know

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you had the amazing Philip Seymour

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Hoffman. Just the cast is

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incredible and some of the

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songs that are on this

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soundtrack. Now this is the

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60s. So we're talking, you

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know, the who and the

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Hollies, the turtles, the turtles,

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bands like that. That song,

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you know, they use their song

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Eleanor by the turtles. It's, oh,

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it's such an like an

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uplifting song anyway. And it's

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it's just one of the

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greatest scenes. It's just wonderful. I

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think about that movie a lot because

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I think about the perfect way to make

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a bunch of rock and roll fans when

10:37

you don't want them is to tell them

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they can't listen to rock and roll

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and then when they find that signal

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that's beaming all these songs that they

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want to hear and mind you not just

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these are not just like the hit songs

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by the artists that they like these are

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the deep cuts so you know at a

10:54

time when kids didn't have a lot of

10:56

pocket money so they could maybe afford the

10:58

single. these pirate radio stations are

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playing deep cuts on the albums

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that kids haven't even heard yet

11:06

and it's they're freaking out hearing

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this music and just becoming obsessed

11:10

so i always think of that

11:13

as Perfect Storm, Way to Make

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a Bunch of Fans for Life.

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It's great. I love that

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movie. Yeah, it's got to

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be up there. It's in,

11:24

I would say, top five,

11:26

you know, music movies. Sure.

11:28

For me, anyway, I'm sure

11:30

you would agree with that.

11:32

Oh, easy. I mean, there

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are others. I mean, there's,

11:37

you got to mention, Easy

11:39

Rider. you know, like packed soundtracks for

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a movie. It was like one of

11:43

the first times it was like really

11:45

packed with rock and roll people. You

11:48

know, that was a relatively new thing

11:50

for movie soundtracks to use rock and

11:52

roll and revolutionary. You can't think of

11:54

motorcycles without thinking and born to be

11:57

wild almost. It's just like they're so

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intertwined. Yeah. And that's a good point

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in that these movies that become part of

12:03

our pop culture like Easy Rider, then they

12:05

become entwined into how we think about other

12:07

things like motorcycles. I would guarantee that Harley

12:09

Davidson has sold more than one motorcycle based

12:11

on the feeling that I think is the

12:14

thing that people are buying, you know, when

12:16

they're buying motorcycles. So that's why it's so

12:18

important to have. the right music in movies.

12:20

I mean, there are other ones that, you

12:22

know, are worthy of mention for sure, you

12:24

know, of course, the Rocky 3 soundtrack, how

12:26

can we forget Survivors, Eye of the Tiger?

12:28

I mean, you know, commissioned directly by Sylvester

12:30

Stallone to come up with the theme song,

12:33

and now you cannot separate I of the

12:35

Tiger from Rocky 3, from the Rocky movie

12:37

franchise. It's just the way it is. You

12:39

can't. practically separated from sports. I mean, it

12:41

became, you know, its use in almost every

12:43

sport at some time or another for the

12:45

finals, for the. championship, this or that. I

12:47

mean, it's it's ubiquitous with doing battle of

12:50

any kind of any kind of sport. It

12:52

sounds like a fight. Sounds like you get

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pumped up for a fight, which is why

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it was so perfect as a theme song.

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And then yeah, it carried on into just

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sports, period. And we must mention, of course,

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I mean, days and confused. Hello. No more

13:04

Mr. Nice guy. That's the first one that

13:06

popped into my head. Yeah. talent in classic

13:09

rock songs. Rock and roll, hoochy, koo, rig

13:11

derringer. I mean, man. Yeah, I mean, Zeezy

13:13

Top is on that cheap sunglasses. It's so

13:15

good. That's, yeah, I mean, that's a top

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five for sure, right? That's a top five.

13:19

I think it would be an interesting exercise

13:21

to come up with a complete top five.

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But that would mean we'd have to agree

13:26

on our top five, but we could do

13:28

that. We can, we can

13:30

fight it out and

13:32

maybe up with a up

13:34

with a top five

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and just, and and talk

13:38

about those. All right.

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Well, here's a harder

13:42

job, a top 10. 10,

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and if we're going

13:47

to fight about it,

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then obviously it, then obviously, I

13:51

of to be the

13:53

theme song for that

13:55

episode. What do you

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say? for that episode. What you say? Exactly.

13:59

Exactly. Well listen, Christian, thank

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you so much as

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always for, uh, the

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music that you produce

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for the the song

14:10

podcast Song podcast for being

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a cool person to

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talk to about songs movies.

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I movies. it. Well it is

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my pleasure. and And, um,

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thank you for the

14:23

today. It was was great. the

14:25

the next episode of

14:27

the behind the song

14:29

podcast, it's going to

14:31

be a is going to be

14:33

a tune for What do

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you think about that, What

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do I like it.

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That makes sense. I like it

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makes I don't, I'm I'm

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not going to say

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where it is is though.

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Well, be that way.

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be that way. Okay. On the way. Much

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the way, much more

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rock and roll. roll.