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Your best skin awaits. Welcome

1:00

to the Behind the

1:02

Song podcast, taking

1:04

you deeper into classic rock's

1:06

most timeless tunes. Here's

1:09

your host, Janda. I'm

1:11

Janda and it is the season

1:13

for love songs. So I got

1:16

together with my husband Christian Lane

1:18

to talk about our top five

1:20

classic rock love songs. Hi Christian.

1:23

Hey Janda. So right off

1:25

the bat I just have to mention I

1:27

gave myself a bit of a handicap. in

1:30

thinking about classic rock love

1:32

songs because aren't like half

1:34

of classic rock songs about

1:36

love anyway so sure in some

1:38

way yeah so i went with

1:40

classic rock love songs about

1:43

real people OK, I like

1:45

that. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure

1:47

I could have picked many other classic rock

1:49

love songs, but this is the parameters I

1:51

gave myself. OK, I did

1:53

not necessarily go that route. I

1:55

picked songs based entirely on how

1:57

I felt about them. OK,

2:00

I mean, that's good. I mean, that's

2:02

really what music's all about is your

2:04

reaction and relationship to it. So yeah,

2:07

good. Good. Well, would you like to

2:09

start with number five on your list?

2:12

I'm gonna go with the very obvious,

2:15

Maybe I'm Amazed by Mr. Paul

2:17

McCartney, the topic of our most

2:19

recent Behind the Song podcast. It's

2:29

the passion. I mean, it's, first

2:31

of all, I should mention it's about his wife,

2:33

Linda. So there's the real person.

2:35

Yeah. Yeah. You can refer to the podcast

2:37

for the whole story, but you know, he

2:40

was down and out and Linda propped him

2:42

up and he was saying, basically, I'm amazed.

2:44

I can't believe I found this person. You

2:47

mentioned the way it makes you feel. I

2:49

mean, it gives me goosebumps when he's basically

2:51

screaming his love at the top of his

2:53

lungs for Linda. I just, I can't get

2:56

enough of the performance. Either

2:58

one, the one on McCartney or

3:00

the live one. Wings over

3:02

America. Wings over America. Yeah, I just think

3:04

it's one of the best. So I'm sorry

3:06

that it's five, but I had to put

3:08

it somewhere. So five it is. You know,

3:11

I'm really glad that you mentioned that one

3:13

because I think we would be remiss if

3:15

we didn't include, maybe I'm amazed

3:17

in this list of top classic rock love

3:19

songs. And no doubt we will miss some

3:21

because we're talking about, you know, five each.

3:23

And as you mentioned off the top, there

3:25

are so many. But I'm really

3:27

glad that you came through with Maybe I'm

3:30

Amazed for this list. I mean, if you

3:32

don't mention it, what are we doing here?

3:34

Okay, now you go. Okay,

3:37

so in position number five on my

3:39

list of classic rock top love songs,

3:42

I'm going with David Bowie because, you

3:44

know, I can't have any kind of

3:46

a list without David Bowie in it.

3:48

So I'm going to work him in

3:51

here no matter what. I'm

3:53

gonna go with Heroes by Bowie.

4:01

And of course I love the

4:03

song because I'm a Bowie nerd.

4:05

But it's also really interesting how

4:08

this song came about. You know,

4:10

they were recording the hero's album,

4:12

the Berlin trilogy over in Berlin,

4:14

and he spies out the window

4:16

of the studio, which was right

4:18

by the Berlin Wall. Tony

4:21

Viscani, who you know, Christian,

4:24

kissing his girlfriend as... bullets were

4:27

flying overhead, whether real or imaginary,

4:29

you know, for the purposes of

4:31

the song at that time. And

4:33

that's what Bowie took from the

4:35

moment, sort of a love rising

4:37

up in the face of oppression

4:39

and, you know, with the world

4:41

against you, if you will. And

4:44

I think that that's so much

4:46

about what the beginning of a

4:48

lot of love relationships feels like

4:50

anyway. And it's

4:52

perfectly encapsulated against a backdrop

4:55

of world events. And

4:58

the song became sort of like

5:00

an arc for Bowie, a fan

5:02

favorite for sure. And I

5:04

just think it's cool to think that

5:06

you can connect with someone on such

5:08

a level that You can be heroes

5:11

and overcome whatever's going on, you know,

5:13

in your life, you know, with this

5:15

relationship and this love that you feel

5:17

for another person. So it made it

5:19

to number five on my list. Yeah,

5:21

that studio that they were recording, it

5:24

was called Hansa by the Wall. I

5:26

mean, it was literally by the wall.

5:29

And I think it's a great

5:31

point, Janda, that you just made

5:34

about the beginnings of love. And

5:36

teenagers, especially if you tell them,

5:38

don't see that person, oh my

5:40

goodness, are they going to dig

5:42

their heels in even more? If

5:44

you give young love something to

5:46

rebel against, it gives me

5:48

that feeling of, we're going to dig in

5:50

even more and love each other even harder.

5:52

And I love it. Great pick, Janda. Great

5:55

pick. I knew you would approve of that

5:57

one. What about you? What's

5:59

number four on your list? Number

6:01

four, let's go with something

6:04

by George Harrison and well,

6:06

the Beatles, but George Harrison

6:08

wrote it for Patty. for

6:10

Patty Boyd, his wife, soon

6:13

-to -be -not -wife. Janda,

6:15

you've covered that with Layla. And,

6:18

you know, there was, I don't know

6:20

if you call it a love triangle

6:23

going on with Eric Clapton, but it

6:25

got a little sticky and messy. But

6:27

this song, to me, I love it

6:29

because he's mystified. George seems

6:31

very mystified by this person and

6:34

by this love that he has

6:36

for her. She

6:41

moves. Something in

6:43

the way she moves. I mean, that's just one of

6:45

the most beautiful. It's just so

6:47

simple and so beautiful. And

6:49

about this song written by

6:52

George Harrison, Frank

6:54

Sinatra said, something is the greatest

6:56

love song written by Lennon and

6:58

McCartney. He got

7:00

that part wrong, but he got the

7:03

rest of it right. Wow. So

7:05

that's my number four. I'm sure

7:07

so much has been said about

7:10

it before, but like I said,

7:12

I like the sort of mystic

7:14

quality of it. Love as a

7:16

spirit, love as something that in...

7:18

you know, imbues your spirit and

7:21

raises you up above the messy

7:23

world. So, something by

7:25

George Harrison. I think the reason that

7:27

something would land on a lot of

7:30

people's lists, I would be willing to

7:32

wager when you're talking about love songs,

7:34

is because he was able to describe

7:36

that feeling, that sort

7:38

of unfathomable feeling that you have

7:41

about why it is that you

7:43

feel love towards someone. You know,

7:46

sometimes, You don't know what it is.

7:48

You have no idea.

7:51

It's just something mystical

7:53

and magical. They

7:55

say that the two things that stay

7:58

with you the longest in terms of

8:00

memories are music and smells. So

8:03

he really got to the bottom of

8:05

that unknowable feeling when you know that

8:07

you're head over heels with someone. I

8:09

would just be interested to see what

8:11

anybody else thinks of that. Drop us

8:14

a line and let us know. So

8:16

that's my wrap on that, Janda. I'm

8:19

curious now, we'll throw it back to

8:21

you for number four. Number four on

8:23

my list. This should

8:25

be as no surprise to you

8:27

Christian or to anybody who listens

8:29

to my radio show. You

8:32

know, I love me some Dire

8:34

Straits. So for number

8:36

four, I chose Dire Straits

8:38

so far away. I love

8:40

how that song. comes at

8:43

you lyrically, because you know,

8:45

I'm a huge lyrics person.

8:47

It starts out, here I am again

8:49

in this mean old town, and you're

8:52

so far away from me. And

8:54

where are you when the sun go down?

8:57

You're so far away from me.

8:59

Now, obviously this is Mark Knopfler

9:01

who's on the road touring and

9:03

is away from his person and

9:05

is writing about that, boiled down

9:08

to the raw essence. of it

9:10

if you've ever had to spend

9:12

any time from someone that you're

9:14

in a relationship with because of

9:16

work, basically, or

9:18

circumstance, distance and time

9:20

apart and how you don't want to

9:23

be there. And I love how he

9:25

distilled that down. And further, I

9:28

love in this song, he brings

9:30

me back in this day and

9:32

age to those times when you

9:34

would spend hours on the phone

9:36

with someone that you were in

9:38

a relationship with. You know,

9:40

it was all about the phone calls

9:43

and, you know, not ending the calls

9:45

and, you know, you hang up. No,

9:47

you hang up. You hang up. No,

9:49

you hang up. He covers that when

9:51

the lyrics go, I'm tired

9:53

of making out on the telephone because

9:56

you're so far away from me. You

10:02

know, I mean, that's something that

10:04

if you came up during a

10:06

certain time, you spent time on

10:08

the phone with someone that you

10:10

cared about, it reminds me of

10:12

that, of like those simpler days

10:14

in general. And not for nothing,

10:16

I love his guitar work on

10:18

this song too. I just think

10:20

this is a really great, I'm

10:23

separated from somebody that I care about

10:25

a whole lot song. And it made

10:27

it to number four because, you

10:29

know, those can tend to get a

10:31

little sappy, you know, but, but somehow

10:34

or another, this, this one's still cool.

10:36

You picked a really good one

10:39

as far as that trick right

10:41

there of distilling things down, and

10:43

you're right. It's a

10:45

slippery slope. When

10:48

you were reading those lyrics, it

10:50

reminded me of a poet named

10:52

Delmore Schwartz, who actually was a

10:54

teacher of Lou Reed, and the

10:56

thing that Lou Reed took from

10:59

him is take away everything that's

11:01

superfluous. Get rid of

11:03

everything that doesn't matter. boil

11:05

it down, get it down to,

11:08

you know, distill it down to

11:10

the least amount of words possible.

11:12

And that will be the truest

11:15

connection and that will cut through

11:17

the most. And Knopfler killed it

11:19

on this one. I mean, you're

11:21

so right. I really can picture

11:24

those things with an economy of

11:26

words. I can picture every scene

11:28

that he's laying out for us.

11:30

It's a really good one, Janda.

11:33

Nice one. Thank you. All

11:35

right, back to you. Song number three on

11:37

your list. Song

11:40

number three from me. I'm

11:42

going with the Rolling Stones

11:44

classic written by Keith Richards,

11:46

Angie. It's pretty well documented.

11:49

It's about Anita Pallenberg, who I suppose

11:51

was his wife. It's always been a

11:53

little unclear to me if they actually

11:55

got married. Someone,

12:00

not me, someone said

12:02

at some point that

12:04

instead of saying Angie,

12:06

Angie should have been saying

12:08

Anita, Anita. And

12:12

that makes perfect sense to

12:14

me because to me, this

12:17

is a love song, but

12:19

it's also commiseration. It's

12:21

desperate. It's sort of painting them as

12:24

vagabonds, which I think at the time,

12:26

they kind of were. Even from the

12:28

Rolling Stones, they were a little bit

12:31

on the outside at that point. Yeah,

12:41

commiseration. That's what I hear in Angie.

12:45

You know, and Mick Jagger channeling his

12:47

friend. He really channels that clinging and

12:49

how they're clinging to each other and

12:51

you cling to a love when you're

12:54

desperate. So, yeah,

12:56

number three, Angie or

12:58

Anita, as it were.

13:01

So, Janda, I just talked about

13:03

desperate love for my number three.

13:06

What is your number three? My

13:09

number three is a super sweet

13:11

song. Thank goodness. I

13:15

am going with Fleetwood

13:17

Max Songbird written by

13:19

Ms. Christine McVeigh, a

13:21

song that will absolutely

13:23

make me cry almost

13:25

quicker than any other.

13:27

This is true. I

13:35

find it so lovely that Christine

13:38

McVie's maiden name was Christine Perfect

13:40

because I think that her voice

13:42

was perfect. I loved how she

13:44

was the glue in a very,

13:46

very chaotic Fleetwood Mac. Her

13:49

piano playing was excellent

13:51

or was excellent. And

13:54

when she wrote this song,

13:56

Songbird, I mean, you know,

13:58

and the Songbirds are singing

14:01

like they know the score.

14:03

And I love you, I love you,

14:05

I love you like never before. I

14:08

mean, something about the songbirds

14:10

are singing like they know

14:12

the score. I mean,

14:14

you assume that the songbirds are

14:17

singing a happy song, but you

14:19

could almost as easily turn that

14:21

on its head in your imagination

14:24

and hear the songbirds singing a

14:26

sad song, like if it wasn't

14:28

going to work out. I fear

14:30

that they're hearing a sad song.

14:33

But I like that you hear

14:35

potentially a happy song because I'd

14:37

rather think of it in that

14:39

way. It's just so sweet. And

14:42

it's heartbreaking, actually.

14:45

Yeah. When she when she put

14:47

those lines together, she covered off

14:49

on the entire range of emotions,

14:52

no matter where you could be

14:54

coming from, you know, in a

14:56

relationship. And that is the pure

14:58

genius of a of a great,

15:00

great songwriter, and Christine McVeigh certainly

15:02

was one, so I had to

15:04

put her at number three on

15:07

my list on an album, by

15:09

the way, that's filled with all

15:11

different kinds of love songs. I

15:13

mean, you're gonna talk about running

15:15

the gambit. you know, in the

15:17

old Peyton Place that was Fleetwood

15:20

Mac in 1977 when Rumors was

15:22

released. I mean, just about

15:24

every single song on that album is about

15:26

love in some way or another to your

15:28

point at the beginning of this episode, Christian.

15:31

But Songbird by Christine McVee

15:33

stands out so much in

15:35

a sea of really wonderful

15:38

songs. She became the Songbird.

15:40

It became her theme song,

15:42

you know, to the point

15:44

where she was known as

15:46

Songbird. That is incredibly effective.

15:49

Yeah. Well, coming out of your

15:52

Fleetwood Mac, I'm going to go right into

15:54

my Fleetwood Mac. You make Love and Fun

15:56

off the same album. Yeah. Completely

15:59

different on love.

16:02

And in keeping with, you know, my

16:04

songs about real people, this is a

16:06

song about lighting director. Curry Grant. Yeah,

16:10

wonderfully monocled Curry Grant. Yeah.

16:12

Her name was Christine Perfect.

16:14

She married John McVeigh. She

16:17

was Christine McVeigh. They're in the band

16:19

together. As you mentioned, quite the Peyton

16:22

Place over there. She

16:24

starts having an affair with the

16:26

lighting director. to the point where

16:29

she falls in love and they

16:31

become an item. And

16:33

this song, You Make Love and Fun,

16:36

to me, it's a wonderful love song

16:38

about the first throws of love. It

16:41

even sounds like the music, everything

16:43

sounds like the first throws of

16:45

love. It's

16:50

really, you know, it's exciting and

16:52

it's fun and it's sexy. But

16:55

then I think about Her saying

16:57

this to Curry Grant, while her

16:59

husband, John McVee, is playing bass.

17:02

You, Curry Grant, make love

17:04

and fun. John McVee, thanks

17:06

for playing bass on this song. It was

17:08

a very serviceable bass part. I

17:11

mean, that band was harsh.

17:13

They were harsh. They, you

17:15

know, singing disses to each

17:18

other on stage. It's incredible. But it

17:20

doesn't take away from the fact that

17:22

it's a really fun upbeat poppy love

17:24

song about new love. And who doesn't

17:26

love new love? Everybody does. Yeah. I

17:28

mean, what a good point. I mean,

17:30

God, you had to be so tough

17:33

to be in Fleetwood and Mack back

17:35

in the day. I'm sure

17:37

that many a psychiatrist's couch

17:39

has been filled by the seat

17:41

of a Fleetwood Mac member,

17:43

if I may. I

17:46

wonder if they just had shrinks on speed dial.

17:48

I think they had something on speed dial, but

17:50

I don't know if it was a psychiatrist. But

17:54

yeah, what a great song. And again,

17:56

showing the range on Christine

17:58

McVie's songwriting talents in a band full

18:01

of great songwriters. Of course, Stevie Nicks

18:03

was amazing as a songwriter and had

18:05

plenty of great songs from that album.

18:08

And from those sessions herself, I'll point

18:10

out Silver Springs, which is a great

18:12

song that didn't make it to the

18:14

album. And Lindsay, of course,

18:17

a great songwriter. it still stands

18:19

out and it still covers off

18:21

on like that, that optimistic feeling

18:23

of new love. For sure. All

18:25

right. Number two on

18:28

my list is about a song

18:30

that I would defy anyone to

18:32

come up with a better tune,

18:34

a love song about forgiveness. And

18:37

that is the great

18:39

Leon Russell, a song

18:41

for you. He's

18:48

a musical genius, I would think.

18:50

Absolutely. On his debut album that

18:52

a song for you is from,

18:55

who wasn't on it? Eric Clapton

18:57

played on it, George Harrison played

18:59

on it, Ringo Starr played on

19:02

it, everybody. admired Leon Russell because

19:04

he was so musical I think

19:07

you know and and other musicians

19:09

would sort of like chime chime

19:11

with that and like Moth to

19:14

a flame you know around his

19:16

his musical light and just a

19:18

quirky dude and somehow or another

19:21

he could wrestle the lyrics out

19:23

of something in a completely different

19:25

way and say something all the

19:28

while playing you know this beautiful

19:30

piano that that was different. Maybe

19:32

it's a piano player thing. I

19:35

think Warren Zevon had those qualities

19:37

too. But the lines

19:39

that kill me on Leon

19:41

Russell's A Song For You,

19:44

when he sings, I love you

19:46

in a place where there's no space

19:49

or time. I love you for

19:51

my life, you're a friend of mine. And

19:54

when my life is over, remember

19:56

when we were together, we were

19:58

alone, and I was singing this

20:00

song to you. Wow. I would

20:03

just say to anyone, just

20:05

keep this song handy. When

20:07

you need to feel feelings

20:09

or when you need to

20:12

touch something that's hard to

20:14

get to, whether you have

20:16

a person in mind or

20:18

not, this song is such

20:20

a behemoth in terms of

20:22

putting into words something that

20:24

we, mere mortals, find trouble

20:26

saying. I would say, yeah,

20:28

that's why it's my number two love song of

20:30

all time. Leon Russell, a song for you. That

20:33

is so strong. I don't I almost

20:35

don't have anything to say about it.

20:37

It's just listen to it. It's just

20:39

like you said, if you need to

20:41

feel something, put it on. And

20:44

it'll do it. It'll take you

20:46

there. He's incredibly underrated, made everyone

20:48

around him look good, which I

20:51

think is part of why people

20:53

wanted to be around him. And

20:56

yeah. What a great pick, Janda. I

20:58

hope people, I

21:00

envy people who may be going to listen to

21:02

it for the first time. Yeah, great

21:04

pick. Me too. I have that same envy. OK,

21:08

what about you? Song number one from

21:10

Christian. OK, song number one

21:12

by one of my favorite singer

21:15

songwriters. It's funny to call him

21:17

that by John Lennon. The

21:19

ultimate song about real person

21:21

and name checked in the

21:24

title. Oh, Yoko. by

21:26

John Lennon about Yoko Ono. You

21:29

know, when you're in the biggest band,

21:31

you know, we talked about the Stones

21:33

being the biggest band, the Beatles had

21:35

broken up at that point. That's why

21:37

the Beatles were the biggest band in

21:39

the world. And rather

21:41

than continue being a Beatle,

21:43

John wanted some autonomy and

21:46

he fell in love with

21:48

an artist named Yoko Ono.

21:50

And that was what he

21:52

was doing from that point

21:55

on. he was loving Yoko

21:57

and he expresses it to

21:59

the world so it's in

22:02

no uncertain terms and I

22:04

think that's bold and courageous

22:06

and also really

22:09

sweet. And the song

22:11

sounds like a daydream, you know?

22:13

It sounds like you're laying in

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a grassy field with a cool

22:18

breeze and you're having a daydream

22:20

about the person you love. So

22:22

for those reasons, it is my

22:24

number one love song. People

22:30

have trashed on Yoko Ono for

22:33

a long, long time. But the

22:35

fact is she was the love

22:38

and the center of his life.

22:40

I think that he understood her

22:42

and that's all that matters. And

22:46

so the rest of us, it doesn't

22:48

really matter if we could understand why

22:50

John Lennon loves Yoko Ono or not

22:52

because he could and he 100 %

22:54

did. It must have felt like a

22:56

daydream to him to meet her. And

22:59

to have felt that, you know, artistic

23:01

freedom from her when he'd been in

23:03

the constraints of the Beatles and and

23:05

so on and so forth, you know,

23:07

when they first got together anyway. So

23:09

I like it. I like it. So

23:11

we got to get to your number

23:14

one pick, Janda. All right.

23:16

My top number one love song

23:18

of all time is by the

23:21

Beach Boys. God only

23:23

knows. Incredible. That that's

23:25

a number one. This song

23:27

almost. doesn't even seem like

23:29

it's from the earth. You

23:32

know, I mean, here you have

23:34

Brian Wilson and Tony Asher, which

23:37

Tony Asher was basically like a

23:39

copywriter and a jingle writer who

23:41

got together with Brian Wilson and

23:43

ended up collaborating on this song

23:46

and many other Beach Boys songs.

23:49

you know, Carl Wilson sang it,

23:51

but it's the music of Brian

23:54

Wilson, you know, those intricate, you

23:56

know, patterns that he put together

23:58

out of his very musical mind,

24:00

along with these lyrics. I mean,

24:02

who in the world comes up

24:05

with lyrics like this, especially back

24:07

in 1966, when at the time

24:09

it was taboo to even have

24:11

the word God in a song.

24:13

Like, you just didn't do that,

24:16

you know, unless it was a

24:18

religious song or something like that.

24:20

But here's the Beach Boys, you

24:22

know, coming out with this song,

24:24

God Only Knows on Pet Sounds.

24:27

When the lyrics go, I may

24:29

not always love you, but long

24:31

as there are stars above you,

24:33

you never need to doubt it.

24:35

I'll make you so sure about

24:38

it. God only knows what

24:40

I'd be without you. I

24:43

just got chills. Just from that,

24:45

I got chills. Yeah, it's incredible.

24:52

Centuries ago, when

24:54

cavemen would sit around and think

24:57

about abstract concepts and stuff before

24:59

we had names for things, they

25:01

only had their feelings and what

25:03

they were seeing in the world

25:06

around them, the environment, the sun,

25:08

the moon, the stars, and so

25:10

on. And it was very simple

25:13

and it all Equaled into the

25:15

same channel of of a higher

25:17

plane somehow when you were elevated

25:19

by a spirit or elevated by

25:22

a feeling of something And and

25:24

in this somehow there's also like

25:26

comfort, you know in these lines

25:28

in this song There's like the

25:31

comfort of knowing that you can

25:33

rest assured that this person's going

25:35

to be there for you even

25:39

though they may not always love

25:41

you, there's so much

25:44

going on lyrically in the

25:46

song. Incredible dedication that they

25:48

would always be there for

25:50

you, even if they might

25:52

not always love you. It's

25:55

like a pact. I

25:57

think it's interesting to note that

26:00

when Brian Wilson

26:02

was writing pet sounds. He

26:04

said that every day before

26:06

writing, he sat down and

26:09

prayed. And he said

26:11

he prayed to God to let

26:13

him make a spiritual album for

26:15

people. And God only

26:18

knows, is surely evidence of it,

26:20

that those prayers were answered, I

26:22

think. The comparison you

26:24

made to the cavemen, it's

26:26

so apt and such a

26:28

lovely comparison. So

26:31

thank you for that one, Janet.

26:33

That was really good. No, it's

26:36

really making me think about that

26:38

in those terms of if you

26:40

didn't have even words to use

26:42

to explain it. Yeah,

26:45

you really touched something there. I love that.

26:47

Well, thank you. Well, you know,

26:49

this song really touched something in me and I

26:51

bet a lot of other people. So

26:54

there you have it. There's there's

26:56

our top five each. I mean,

26:58

recapping my from five to one

27:01

for me. It was David Bowie

27:03

heroes, Dire Straits, so far away.

27:06

Number three, Songbird, Fleetwood Mac.

27:09

Number two. Leon Russell, a song

27:11

for you and number one for

27:13

me Beach Boys God Only Knows,

27:16

Christian. Maybe I'm amazed by Paul

27:18

McCartney. Something by The Beatles, George

27:20

Harrison. Angie by The

27:22

Rolling Stones. You

27:24

make love and fun. Written by

27:27

Miss Christine McAvie for Fleetwood Mac

27:29

and number one. Oh, Yoko by

27:31

John Lennon. There you have it.

27:33

10 classic rock love songs that

27:35

you can't go wrong with in

27:37

our humble opinion. Drop us a

27:39

note in the comments and let

27:41

us know yours. Thanks, Christian. Thanks,

27:44

Janda. Happy Valentine's Day. You too.

27:46

And on the way, much more classic rock and

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roll.