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Coach. I'm your host,

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Laura Lummer. Laura I'm a I'm a

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coach and I'm a I'm cancer thriver.

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In this podcast, I I will give

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you the skills on the the

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and the tools to move past

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the emotional and physical trauma of

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a breast cancer diagnosis. If If you're

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looking for a way to create

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a life that's even better than

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before cancer, cancer, you've come to the

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right place. Let's get started. You

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Hello and welcome to

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episode 389. This episode is coming

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out at the This episode is

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coming out. and I at the beginning of

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December. of a better and I cannot think

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of a better time to address this

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topic. giving then right now. The season

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season, of our season when all of our hearts

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our all of our minds are in giving.

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it's a It's a wonderful time of the

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year. And I want to wanna

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address something that I hear from

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many clients and many women who want

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to be clients and are out there

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looking for support after breast cancer

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diagnosis. diagnosis. one of

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those things. things is they they don't realize the amount

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of support that is out there for them. them.

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Why does that does that have anything to do with the

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giving season? season? Because when it

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comes to giving season, there's two sides

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to this, Right. right? There's the side

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of the person that in in need.

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there's And there's the other side of a person

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who has resources to give. give. I

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am am an advocate, as advocate, a as my

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role as a coach and as a

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terrain advocate. I do is to of the

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things I do is to help

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my clients find resources them, support

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them, financial resources the getting the support

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that they want and that they

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need. and In coaching and with there's

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care, there's so many resources available

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to us. sad thing is a the sad thing is

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a lot of people don't know about it. I'm so I'm

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so fortunate that I work with so many

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women who often tell me new resources

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that I haven't even heard about. So

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look forward to seeing some additions on

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the the page of my website coming up

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up 2020. I I realized

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this is a huge area

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that needs more energy behind

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more energy behind it. mean, more awareness, more

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awareness behind it, that it's available, one, one

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for people to use when they need

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it, and it, for people to give when

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they have something to give. something

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to wanted to do a show today. do a

2:19

show today. to really talk in

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depth about some of the resources

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that are not only available to

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you right now. but that are coming

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to support you. And when I I

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say you, I mean mean, who's anyone who's

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had a cancer diagnosis, and I I

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mean anyone who just wants to

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improve their metabolic health needs needs support

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with that, to know that there's

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resources out there available. there available

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for you. So I have have invited an

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amazing human being. Lynn Hughes,

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the who's the of of Development

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at the Metabolic Train Institute of

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Health. And and I are going

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to share with you. you some of

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the things that are already

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available for you. through

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the Metabolic Terrain Institute of Health. some

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of the Some of the things that are

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up and coming to support you,

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which are super exciting, I because I

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not only want you to hear about,

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you know what resources resources available, but

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what people are thinking, what the

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vision is to offer more and better

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integrative support for those of us

3:18

who are looking for a way to

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thrive in our lives. our lives. So

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I've invited Lynn. She's She's an

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incredible person. We've had a

3:26

wonderful conversation. about what

3:28

is there, about what is coming,

3:30

and about how you can access

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resources them, you need them, get and

3:34

how you can get back if

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you're someone that has the resources

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to give, to support other people. in

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our community. let me tell you a me

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tell you a little bit about

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Lynn before I bring her on.

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on. So Lynn has a has a in in

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leadership development and she has nearly

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25 years of experience driving growth,

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visibility and sustainability for nonprofit organizations, including

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more than 15 years at the

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executive level of management experience. So

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before she came to the Metabolic

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Train Institute of Health, she spent

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four years in leadership role at

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community mental health facilities, where she

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was responsible for community engagement, grant

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writing efforts, and provided leadership to

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the organization's marketing, crisis services, and

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quality compliance departments. Before her services

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and behavioral health, she actually spent

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nine years as the executive director

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of a non-profit children's museum, where

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she was responsible for guiding the

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transition from the museum's 3,000 square

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foot facility to a new 26,000

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square foot museum. After opening that

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facility, she was charged with collaborating

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with individual donors and public, corporate,

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and other institutions to secure more

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funding for the museum operations, exhibits,

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programs, and scholarships. Promoting the museum's

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program and events administration of day-to-day

4:44

operations and managing the budget. So,

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he definitely took on a lot

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of responsibility. She also spent 10

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years in higher education where she

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was a graphic designer, a director

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of public relations, an executive director

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of college relations, special assistance to

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the president and co-director of the

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college annual fund, and she spent

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two years as a newspaper reporter.

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She has a bachelor degree in

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journalism and a master's in leadership

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development, and she has a voice.

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I'll knock your socks off. I

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know that because when I met

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her, at the Metabolic Trane Institute

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of Health Conference back in April

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of 2024, we all met up

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in Texas and Lynn sang for

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us. In fact, it was part

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of what she did to raise

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funds for all of us that

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were there at the conference and

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in that area. And she sang

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the song for us. She said,

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if we could raise X amount

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of money in this room for

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all the people who are here

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who love what this institute represents,

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then I'll sing for you. And

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she did, and it was an

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incredible experience. So I want you

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to meet Lynn. I want you

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to hear about the resources that

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are available to you, but I

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also want you to hear about

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this. organization. The metabolic

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train in suit of health is

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an incredible organization that I'm so

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passionate about and that I support

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in every possible way that I

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can. So without further ado, please

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enjoy this conversation with the beautiful

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Lynn Hughes. Hello

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Lynn, welcome to you with Better Than Before

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Breast Cancer podcast and thank you so much

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for taking time out of what I know

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is an insanely full schedule to talk with

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us today. So happy to have you here.

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I'm so glad to be here and so

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just grateful for the opportunity to talk to

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you and you know spend time with you

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and and your viewers and listeners. Yeah, you

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know, it's such an important message and I

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always love and you know, obviously you're in

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the inner circle, part of the mission, part

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of the vision, part of making things happen.

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And the reason I want to do this

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is because it's so important that other people

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understand what's happening behind the scenes in like

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there's a huge movement on this metabolic health

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platform and through the metabolic train Institute of

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health. I think so many people just are

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unaware of what resources are available, what vision

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is there, what they can be a part

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of, what they can contribute to. So I

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can't wait to get all inside scoop. But

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I'd love to hear why you're here. What

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brought you to the metabolic train Institute of

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Health and why do you put so much

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energy into this? And yeah, just tell us

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about your story. Yeah, so I've been with

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them at about train Institute of Health for

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about two years, and it's actually kind of

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serendipitous. I've spent most of my life working

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in nonprofit organizations. I've got a really kind

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of varied background. I started as a newspaper

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reporter. I did that for two years, covered

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city and county government and cops and courts,

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worked in higher education for 10 years, doing

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PR marketing fundraising, community engagement, worked kind of

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as a know know kind

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of my my roles there was

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was working for the

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president of the institution

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and kind of just

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being a just jill of

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jail of all kind of

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doing what you know

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whatever needed to be

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done at that you

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know cabinet level know so

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I was involved with

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budgeting and with know

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international recruiting and all

8:05

sorts of different things sorts

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of then from there then

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from there I went and

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I was the executive

8:14

director of the of the

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in the town where

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I live for nine

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years town where I live for nine

8:22

that role just again

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did a little bit

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of everything mostly fundraising

8:29

and community mostly then from

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there, I took a complete

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turn there, and worked in

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community mental health worked in four

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years. So I was working

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with So I was mentally ill, serious

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mentally ill, serious use issues, and

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started out in a PR

8:45

marketing fundraising role, but kind

8:47

of morphed into working within

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our crisis services, and then

8:52

also worked within quality and

8:54

compliance as well. well. background is

8:56

just. is all over

8:58

the the matter. Yeah very diversified yeah yeah

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but um but, I came know.

9:02

metabolic across the Metabolic

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of Institute of Health and an

9:06

interesting place in my journey. journey my My

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husband and I were actually looking

9:11

to foster a child and knew that I

9:13

that I couldn't kind of manage the

9:15

of the of the community

9:17

mental health world while also

9:19

managing the chaos of a foster

9:21

child that was going to

9:23

need a lot of appointments and

9:25

additional support. And so I

9:27

started to look for jobs that

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were that were remote. And I stumbled stumbled

9:31

across the Metabolic Health. Terrain Institute

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of Health, of posting posting a

9:36

fundraising position. position. And everything I I

9:38

read about, I honestly didn't

9:40

know much about the organization

9:42

when I first applied. I first applied.

9:44

I I do have years of years

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of experience volunteering with

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Susan Susan G. Komen for the

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of was the chair of So

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I have a have a,

9:55

interest interest wellness and cancer

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and really prevention. prevention. cancer.

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It's something that's really near and

10:02

dear to my heart, being an

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advocate for yourself as a patient.

10:07

One of the things that I

10:09

did while I was a race

10:11

chair was my honorary chairs one

10:13

year were four women that were

10:16

diagnosed with breast cancer before the

10:18

age of 40. And I remember

10:20

at the time I was in

10:22

my 20s leading this race effort

10:24

and hearing their stories about their

10:27

misdiagnosis and how they knew that

10:29

something was wrong. and their doctors

10:31

didn't believe them basically said it's

10:33

it's it's it's probably nothing you're

10:35

too young and it it it

10:38

inferior it made me mad and

10:40

also broke my heart you know

10:42

because unfortunately down you know down

10:44

the road a couple of those

10:46

honorary chairs passed on you know

10:49

because what by the time they

10:51

were diagnosed they were stayed for

10:53

and had to really do all

10:55

the the really really hard work

10:57

of trying to reverse you know,

11:00

something that should have been caught

11:02

earlier. And so that became a

11:04

real passion of mine. And so

11:06

when I came across this position,

11:09

you know, I definitely believe in

11:11

health and wellness and really helping

11:13

people live their best lives possible

11:15

mentally, physically, emotionally, and everything that

11:17

MTIA stood for was something, you

11:20

know, that was already deep. in

11:22

my heart and my soul and

11:24

you know especially when you're working

11:26

in nonprofit you really really really

11:28

need to believe in the mission

11:31

you need to believe in the

11:33

work that you're doing because you

11:35

are you are the representative of

11:37

that organization your passion is what

11:39

carries that work forward and helps

11:42

ignite passion and other people and

11:44

so it really just kind of

11:46

fell into my lap, but was

11:48

such the right fit and the

11:50

right opportunity at the right time.

11:53

And it's it's been a learning

11:55

experience for me for sure, you

11:57

know, I have

11:59

a lot of

12:01

different experiences experiences and have

12:04

learned so much through this

12:06

work about how I how I can

12:08

continue to use my passion to

12:10

help more people out there there

12:12

who are are in this journey,

12:14

who are working hard to heal,

12:16

who are working hard to

12:18

be heard be heard understood. And it's

12:20

just been, it's been absolutely

12:22

beautiful. So. That's my

12:24

story. I love it. love it. Well, you said

12:26

a couple of things that really resonate with

12:28

me and I don't think think

12:31

that the general public had

12:33

this has really had this paradigm shift

12:35

yet when they hear about metabolic health. because

12:38

in the world we get a diagnosis

12:40

of cancer. we're we're cancer and

12:42

tumor tumor and and medicine focused.

12:44

And we go to an oncologist

12:47

and he's tumor tumor she's tumor

12:49

she's right? And so then

12:51

people come to me or people

12:53

come to people come they're like, and about

12:55

these medicines? about this tumor? What about

12:57

this about this oncoscore? And I think it's

12:59

a really important message to get some

13:01

more energy behind this. is Even

13:03

though it's called the metabolic approach to cancer, it's

13:06

not about cancer, it's about wellness.

13:08

It's about how each of us have

13:10

the opportunity to improve our metabolic

13:12

health, bring more joy into our life,

13:15

joy into our Focus on that future version

13:17

of the life we're trying to

13:19

create and the healing we're trying to

13:21

accomplish. And that's a huge paradigm

13:23

shift. a huge paradigm shift, right? there

13:25

are other organizations, other groups

13:27

that are very cancer focused.

13:30

the conversations are all about

13:32

cancer. cancer. And I think think that

13:34

attracts people who need that. know that there are

13:36

a lot of I know that there are

13:38

a lot of people with a cancer

13:40

diagnosis who are like, I want something

13:42

different. I want something positive. I want

13:44

something forward something I want something supportive. I

13:46

don't want my life to be completely

13:48

about cancer. cancer. And I think it's

13:50

an important message to get across get is

13:52

exactly what terrain and state of health

13:54

is all about. all about. Right. It is for is for sure.

13:56

and I And, you know, and I think an

13:58

important part of that. conversation is, you know,

14:01

giving people the knowledge community and support

14:03

that they need to feel courageous in

14:05

stepping into that space. You know, because

14:07

just like I said with, you know,

14:09

the four women that were, you know,

14:11

my honorary chairs that were. diagnosed with

14:13

breast cancer before the age of 40,

14:15

you know, you hit so many roadblocks

14:17

to advocating for yourself. And whether that

14:19

is advocating for the fact that, you

14:21

know, I'm, I'm sick and there's something

14:23

more wrong with me than what you're,

14:25

you're looking at, or saying, you know,

14:27

I want to try some things, you

14:29

know, I understand that. the symptom. The

14:31

major symptom at hand is this tumor

14:33

and I understand that I need to,

14:35

you know, look at this, but having

14:37

the courage to say, you know, I

14:39

also want to look at how I

14:41

can improve my overall health in the

14:43

process and finding people that are willing

14:45

to listen and work with you to

14:47

achieve that goal. And it's, and I

14:49

feel like that's one of the big

14:51

things that we do. as a part

14:53

of the work we do here at

14:55

the MTIA community is, you know, we

14:57

have advocates, we have practitioners, we have

14:59

staff, we have people who are, you

15:01

know, patients who are stepping up and,

15:04

you know, being advocates, even though they're

15:06

not, you know, officially in that advocate

15:08

role. I mean, they're helping people, you

15:10

know, they are empowering people with knowledge,

15:12

you know, the book alone. is such

15:14

a great resource and you know when

15:16

I hear patients all the time who

15:18

are like I buy this book in

15:20

bulk you know because I've I've learned

15:22

so so much from it and so

15:24

when friends are diagnosed with cancer I

15:26

give it to them so that they

15:28

can read it because I feel like

15:30

that really can be such a great

15:32

tool for people to to look at

15:34

things differently to help make that paradigm

15:36

shift but also empower them with some

15:38

knowledge and data that can help them

15:40

argue. their case and help

15:42

them be the best

15:44

advocates for themselves for themselves

15:46

know, in those

15:48

situations where they're getting

15:50

that, you know,

15:52

that, that that, you from,

15:54

from family and

15:56

friends, from practitioners, from,

15:58

from people that,

16:00

you know, from it's,

16:02

you know, I tell

16:04

people all the

16:06

time, it's not their

16:08

fault, you know, all

16:10

the time, it's the,

16:12

the, the dialogue that

16:14

has been been. up

16:16

up until this point

16:19

is, is fairly

16:21

limited in terms of,

16:23

you know, what

16:25

those opportunities are. And

16:27

so our job

16:29

is to job is to help

16:31

educate and provide the, you know,

16:33

the, the, the that

16:35

people need. to to

16:37

start. thinking of of things differently. And

16:39

so, so. I, you know, the, know,

16:41

the, the side of it side of it

16:43

for me is, you know, it,

16:45

it always breaks my heart when, kind

16:47

you know, we are kind of the

16:49

last. resort. the last resort, people

16:51

are coming because everything else has

16:53

has failed them and they and they

16:56

have no other options. my hope is that we

16:58

hope is that we can get

17:00

more people on board with looking

17:02

at their overall health and wellness

17:04

wellness. before they get the get the diagnosis.

17:06

And that's actually something that I'm

17:08

doing for myself. I've gone through

17:11

some testing you know, we recommend

17:13

just to start looking at my labs,

17:15

looking at my labs my a different

17:17

way. How can I start to really

17:19

look at my overall health and wellness health

17:21

and making adjustments? start I call it filling

17:23

in the gaps. I those gaps that

17:25

I don't even know are there, you

17:27

know, like, you know, I'm living

17:30

my life, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, you

17:32

know, as life, I'm healthy, healthy. you know, as

17:34

Everyone's healthy until they get a cancer

17:36

diagnosis. Everyone's healthy until they get you know, I'm

17:38

I am in I am in good health health on

17:40

the surface right now, but we all

17:43

have gaps, and we all have

17:45

things that we can work on. And

17:47

so how can we just be

17:49

aware of those things and start working

17:51

on those things, things you know so that you

17:53

prevent a diagnosis of cancer, of

17:56

cancer of you know of any any

17:58

sort of number of other metabolic diseases

18:00

and metabolic dysfunctions that are out there

18:03

wreaking havoc on our health and healthcare

18:05

systems. Yeah. And I think what you're

18:07

saying is so important. And, you know,

18:09

we've heard nature say before, wish I

18:11

would have called the book the metabolic

18:13

approach to health instead of cancer, because

18:15

I have people, friends, family, people who

18:17

come to me all the time and

18:20

say, if I ever get cancer, you're

18:22

the first person I'm gonna call. And

18:24

I say, please don't wait till you

18:26

get cancer. Please just call me now.

18:28

Let's work on prevention, because early

18:30

detection is too late. Early detection, you've

18:32

already got cancer. So if we want

18:35

to reduce the risk of recurrence, we've

18:37

got to focus on metabolic health. If

18:39

we want to improve chances of our

18:41

outcomes, if we have active disease, we've

18:43

got to focus on metabolic health. And

18:45

I think you make a really interesting

18:48

point that people come at the last

18:50

resort. And I find that the mentality

18:52

out there is a lot of, we

18:54

have to choose one or the other.

18:56

I have to choose complimentary, they call

18:58

it alternative care, or I have to

19:00

choose standard of care. And I wish

19:03

we could break through that wall and

19:05

say they work together. It's complimentary integrative

19:07

care, right? And I'll have clients follow

19:09

one side or the other. There

19:11

are some people are like, I'm afraid

19:13

of what you're talking about because I

19:15

don't wanna give up my treatment, my

19:18

oncologist, like, I would never in a

19:20

million years ask you to give that

19:22

up. That's not what this is about.

19:24

Then other clients are like, I'm afraid

19:26

of standard of care. I believe everything

19:28

can happen naturally. it's like a lot

19:30

can happen naturally and medicine can save

19:32

your life. So can we be open

19:35

to all the information, all the tools

19:37

in this huge toolbox because it can

19:39

only benefit us. So I would love

19:41

to talk about it, make people aware

19:43

of some of the tools that are

19:45

already available as far as education opportunities,

19:48

right? We've touched on that a

19:50

little bit with advocates and practitioners. And

19:52

I know there's something new coming up

19:54

in the future as well. people who

19:56

don't wanna go to that level, we've

19:58

got grants. We've got

20:00

a vision for an amazing facility.

20:02

a We've got a research institution

20:05

you fill us in you us in

20:07

and all that's going on behind

20:09

the scenes? for people to people to

20:11

actually get support and for

20:13

those for those of us who have the

20:15

resources want want to give to something that

20:17

offers more support to people. Right,

20:20

right, right. know, know, it's that we have

20:22

so many things going on

20:24

and, you know, Naysha you know, told that

20:27

she's been the ocean trying to

20:29

boil the ocean, do trying to

20:31

do all the things, all of these

20:33

all of these things are necessary

20:35

we we are going to make

20:37

progress. so know, one of the of

20:39

the first things that we offer

20:42

is educational programs, like you

20:44

mentioned. So So you are an

20:46

advocate, a we have a

20:48

terrain advocate program, which is

20:50

for health care professionals, people who who

20:52

have an experience, have in healthcare who

20:54

have some who have some health type

20:56

foundational knowledge. because as you can as you

20:58

can imagine, know, the approach to to cancer,

21:00

if you've read the book, you you

21:02

know that there are lots of lots of

21:04

facets to this approach. And so if

21:06

you don't have you don't have a, you know,

21:08

least a foundational knowledge of health it

21:11

nutrition, it can be very overwhelming. And

21:13

so to come really want people to come

21:15

into that program with some knowledge so

21:17

that they can really just kind of

21:19

build of the the that they already have.

21:21

And have. And so. That is a program a

21:23

program that a year. We a year. We have

21:25

two cohorts a year. We've trained hundreds

21:27

of people in that program all over

21:29

the world. And the beauty of the beauty of

21:31

that program, that's actually the first place,

21:34

you know, someone is interested in looking at

21:36

their health, you know, from a a metabolic perspective,

21:38

either you either as a cancer patient like you

21:40

like you said, who really just wants

21:42

to get a baseline, we always want

21:44

people to kind of start with an

21:46

advocate. with an especially for people in a

21:48

cancelling journey, just because, a you know,

21:50

to get in with a practitioner. because you know

21:53

take. in with a weeks, months, take weeks

21:55

know, the challenge that we

21:57

have is do have, you know,

21:59

an education for practitioners who are you know

22:01

kind of that next step in their journey

22:04

but they're they're overwhelmed there's not enough of

22:06

them you know even though we've trained hundreds

22:08

all over the world the the caseloads unfortunately

22:10

with the cancer rates increasing our you know

22:12

their caseloads are too big and so you

22:14

know we want people to get started as

22:16

quickly as possible so We tell them read

22:19

the book, take the terrain ten, you know,

22:21

start working with your advocate so you can

22:23

start working on the diet and lifestyle changes

22:25

that you can make right at the beginning.

22:27

Like there are so many things that people

22:29

can do again in a cancering process or

22:31

who are just trying to improve their overall

22:34

health. things that they can do from the

22:36

beginning that don't require a prescription, don't require,

22:38

you know, any specific treatments, things that you

22:40

can adjust that are going to allow you

22:42

to start working towards that place of health

22:44

and wellness and disease prevention. So that's one

22:46

of the things we offer. And then like

22:49

I said, we also offer the practitioner course

22:51

and this is for people who are able

22:53

to prescribe and who are again interested in

22:55

taking their knowledge a little bit further in

22:57

that metabolic approach to cancer and how they

22:59

can treat their patients. That's another program, two

23:02

cohorts a year. Both of those programs are

23:04

online and kind of self-paced. I mean, you

23:06

have like a year to kind of finish

23:08

everything, but it's really when you can do

23:10

the course. I'm currently in the advocate course

23:12

myself and working towards, you know, really using

23:14

that knowledge for all the people that come

23:17

to, you know, MTIIH as an organization. How

23:19

can I help guide them to an advocate

23:21

that might be a good fit? you know,

23:23

to a practitioner that might be a good

23:25

fit. But both, like I said, both programs

23:27

are about a 12 month program. We have

23:29

flexible payment options and just really great for

23:32

people who are in the health care area

23:34

already and want to dance their knowledge in

23:36

that. metabolic approach to cancer health,

23:38

and wellness. wellness. next year,

23:40

we're very excited about

23:42

this. this. We are are going

23:44

to be launching a

23:47

program that is more

23:49

patient -centered, patient -focused. And

23:51

so looking looking for

23:53

that information early early. 2025. This

23:55

will be again a This will

23:57

be, again, a self

23:59

-paced course read the those

24:02

people that have read

24:04

the book their are ready

24:06

to take their knowledge

24:08

to that next level.

24:10

of diving kind of diving

24:12

into something. are that

24:14

are that are on patient

24:17

patient centered side, caregiver side so

24:19

that people can continue

24:21

to just to learn

24:23

and grow grow. and refine their

24:25

their approach. really what that's

24:27

really what I see thing,

24:29

know for the, and great

24:32

thing helps thing for the

24:34

and it just of

24:36

helps people It's all about charge

24:38

of their health it's

24:40

all about taking charge

24:42

of your health and

24:44

so the more tools

24:47

that we can give

24:49

you as a patient

24:51

as a caregiver will make

24:53

you will make you

24:55

feel empowered and feel

24:57

like you have the and

25:00

knowledge you that you need to

25:02

advocate for yourself to to make changes then the

25:04

better better off we're all gonna be be.

25:06

What would be a comparison

25:09

then between the advocate course

25:11

and the new coming patient -centered

25:13

course? course would the patient centered

25:15

patient -focused course be comparable

25:17

to a patient working with

25:19

an advocate? How would you

25:21

make that How would you make that know,

25:23

I think, You think there

25:25

are there are. I I

25:27

would say that the course is gonna be

25:29

the first step. I really feel like

25:31

the advocates are the to help

25:33

patients refine. refine

25:35

their approach even further. know, I I

25:38

there are things that are,

25:40

you know, are, you look at

25:42

educational courses, especially at that, you

25:44

know, especially at that, you level. I

25:46

mean, caregiver focus level, I mean, you, as we

25:48

as health care individuals, only so much you

25:50

can do in a general sense

25:52

So, you you know what i mean

25:54

like in nasa says this all

25:56

the time it's like you know

25:59

i really I really. are asking

26:01

for specific help with specific tumor types

26:03

specific medications specific this that in the

26:05

other and she's like I'm not going

26:07

to tell you anything without the data

26:09

I need to look at your labs

26:11

I need to look at you know

26:14

like I need to know who you

26:16

are as a person you know I

26:18

need to know I need to have

26:20

all the data in front of me.

26:22

And so I'm not going to give

26:24

you a specific recommendation. And so, you

26:27

know, again, I feel like, you know,

26:29

the patient center course is going to

26:31

give people some tools that will help

26:33

them refine their approach, of course, but

26:35

really the advocates and the practitioners, that's

26:37

where you really start gathering more data

26:40

that can be interpreted in ways that

26:42

can help take that approach to the

26:44

next level. So. And I love that

26:46

and this is one thing I love

26:48

so much as an advocate and as

26:50

a person who's managing cancer in my

26:53

life is that when you know what

26:55

attracted me originally to become an advocate

26:57

was nacious philosophy of test assessed don't

26:59

guess. That's what brought me in because

27:01

I saw you know when I got

27:04

a stage four diagnosis. like everyone else,

27:06

I panicked first and went, oh my

27:08

God, what do I do? What am

27:10

I supposed to eat? And then it

27:12

was like, do I be a vegan?

27:14

Do I be a carnival or do

27:17

it? What do I do? What do

27:19

I do? And I started to see

27:21

that, well, you know, some people just

27:23

offer, here's the diet, this diet heals

27:25

everybody. And it was like, that doesn't

27:27

make sense to me, right? How do

27:30

you know that that that's gonna work

27:32

for me? And I tried some before

27:34

coming here and they didn't work for

27:36

me. In fact, some made it worse.

27:38

So for me, what I love is

27:40

I get to offer my clients tools

27:43

that say I can help you clear

27:45

up the confusion. I can help you

27:47

see with your nutrition genome or your

27:49

genetics. I can help you see what

27:51

your body actually needs. With your labs,

27:53

we can see where those genes are

27:56

expressing. We could literally answer the question,

27:58

what am I supposed to do? some

28:01

of the fear and confusion. That

28:03

to me is just, as a

28:05

person, again, managing cancer and working

28:07

with people to help them and

28:09

support them in alleviating the confusion

28:11

and fear. That's just priceless, right?

28:13

Right. And so valuable to know

28:15

that someone wants to know, not

28:17

only on the lab and physical

28:19

level, but a deep emotional intake

28:21

process as well. Yes, and that's.

28:23

Yes, and you are so right,

28:25

you know, it's, we are all.

28:27

individual people and you know we

28:29

talk a lot about bio individuality

28:31

and you know and you're right

28:33

you know that's one of the

28:35

dangers of you know the world

28:38

that we live in and these

28:40

message boards and you know people

28:42

saying well this work for me

28:44

and you should try it you

28:46

know without really knowing all the

28:48

details of, you know, where that

28:50

person lives, what they what they

28:52

consume in terms of food, air,

28:54

water, you know, what their genetics

28:56

look like, you know, there are

28:58

so many things that, you know,

29:00

you really do need that. that

29:02

person and things change. So, you

29:04

know, your labs and your your

29:06

testing is a it's a snapshot

29:08

of this moment in time, you

29:10

know, and things will change based

29:12

on where you live and what

29:14

your your mental and emotional state

29:17

is at that time. What kind

29:19

of stress do you have on

29:21

your plate? Everything you've been eating

29:23

for the last two weeks. Exactly,

29:25

exactly. What you've been eating, where

29:27

you've been eating it, where is

29:29

it coming from? You know, there

29:31

are so many different factors that,

29:33

you know, that's really where the,

29:35

like I said, the advocates and

29:37

the practitioners, you know, work with

29:39

you. Um, and, and continue to

29:41

grow with you as your, as

29:43

everything changes, we all, we all

29:45

evolve in, in different ways, some,

29:47

in good, some good ways, some

29:49

positive ways, and some that, you

29:51

know, create some hiccups that, you

29:53

know, need to, need to be

29:56

addressed, but, you know, the, the

29:58

advocates and the practitioners. that

30:00

that support system that

30:02

can can can really help you

30:04

figure out, you know, know. when

30:06

things start to go awry, when

30:08

you're not feeling well, well, when when your

30:10

start to get a little wonky,

30:13

a little wonky, what's going on? Like,

30:15

I remember I heard a story I

30:17

heard a a patient who had had

30:19

great labs had had was getting her

30:21

meat from a certain source. meat

30:23

And then all of a sudden you

30:25

know, and started to look a little

30:27

off. And so little to find

30:29

out that her out that meat source

30:31

had been purchasing been purchasing poor quality meets. And

30:33

you know, and so like there are things there

30:35

are things like that know, it's

30:37

like it's really, you know, I joked with with

30:39

that Nisha that we should

30:41

do a little series called

30:44

the disease detective like I feel like

30:46

feel like you're all little

30:48

detectives who are just just, you know,

30:50

to figure out like, okay, what's

30:52

going on here? And, you And

30:54

sometimes the clues are really

30:56

hard to find And in finding the, you

30:58

know, like you're like you're connecting

31:00

all of these dots. and

31:03

trying to figure out what's, what's the, what's

31:05

the picture here? What does this

31:07

look like look that level? And

31:09

it's honestly beautiful to watch. beautiful

31:11

to watch. it's an art, it's a

31:13

science And it's a it's a delicate

31:15

balance of trying to help people

31:17

get healthy and not overwhelm them. in

31:20

the process. Yes, yes, yes, on the yes, on

31:22

the And so I And so to address, like you

31:24

you said, a it's a science, something

31:26

I hear all the time, and it

31:28

makes me want to pull my hair

31:30

out. hair Oh, that's all just anecdotal. There's

31:32

no evidence behind that. And that. like,

31:34

you kidding me right now? But this

31:37

is a big But out in the public

31:39

arena. And definitely when you're in the

31:41

standard of care when which in my

31:43

opinion, and I think I have enough

31:45

experience in it as a patient I think I

31:47

have with confidence, is a fear based

31:49

world of scarcity. is a fear-based world of

31:51

scarcity. And just, this is the

31:54

training, this is the protocol, this is how

31:56

it goes, which is great and saves lives,

31:58

but there's more. but Bye. more. just

32:00

dismiss it and I don't know

32:02

why it's such a deeply rooted

32:04

idea that there's no science behind

32:07

this. So going in that route

32:09

I want to talk about also

32:11

that the metabolic train institute of

32:13

health also has a research facility

32:15

and what's going on at that

32:17

research facility in addition to all

32:19

of the science that is behind

32:22

what we do and all the

32:24

case studies that are coming forward

32:26

now that we're working on to

32:28

build that science-based. Right, right. Yeah,

32:30

we so we just opened up

32:32

our lab in Phoenix in the

32:35

spring and so that lab is.

32:38

is hopefully going to be the

32:40

answer to all those people who

32:42

say that there's no research behind

32:44

it. There is research, but it's

32:46

not mainstream, a lot of it

32:48

isn't mainstream research because you think

32:51

about how much money it costs

32:53

to fund a research study. And

32:55

if you're funding research studies, what

32:57

do you want to get out

32:59

of that? Some sort of return

33:01

on your investment. And so a

33:03

lot of the research that is

33:06

out there isn't necessarily looking at

33:08

the same things that we're that

33:10

we're looking at. And so, you

33:12

know, and in the in the

33:14

research that is looking at the

33:16

same things that we're looking at

33:18

is is not going to be

33:21

promoted as heavily because you think

33:23

about it like where's the money

33:25

in fasting? sunlight getting

33:27

more sunlight and you know there's

33:29

a lot of things that we

33:32

that that we support and that

33:34

have science supporting them that don't

33:36

have a return on investment so

33:38

when it comes to you know

33:41

really showcasing what that research is

33:43

saying you got to find the

33:45

right people who really want to

33:47

promote that and do it for

33:50

the right reasons and so the

33:52

lab in Phoenix we're just getting

33:54

started we're really focused right now

33:57

on formulations really coming up with

33:59

additional to ways to

34:01

deliver supplements and

34:04

that will be will be more

34:06

effective less less toxic. kind so

34:08

that's kind of our starting

34:10

point, but you know, the

34:13

hope is that we're going

34:15

to be doing more research research

34:17

down the road to really demonstrate the

34:19

evidence of these these different

34:21

things are impacting people's metabolic

34:23

health. And so of the of the

34:25

big studies that we're looking

34:28

to fund fund is is a A

34:30

retrospective study looking at people

34:32

who have taken a metabolic approach

34:34

who have worked with approach, and

34:36

advocates with implementing that approach and

34:38

kind of showing how their, that

34:41

their quality of life quality of

34:43

changed. You know, and so just

34:45

kind of just kind of starting

34:47

with something like that that

34:49

we can show using actual

34:52

cases actual people's you know, his

34:54

experiences and and using that

34:56

as a demonstration to show okay. Thank

34:58

you. here's here's a a good chunk of

35:00

data. and personal experiences

35:03

that experiences that show this approach

35:05

has improved their quality of life, has

35:07

improved their health. Now we

35:09

want to take it to

35:11

that next step further step

35:13

deeper into, you know, what's

35:16

causing these these these to happen

35:18

in their to So it's really

35:20

exciting it's really exciting. And it's we're looking

35:23

looking forward to kind of getting

35:25

getting in the in the and Arizona

35:27

areas really really getting immersed in

35:29

that scientific community, making relationships we

35:31

finding ways that we can partner

35:33

with other institutions that are

35:35

already in that space out there

35:37

can that we can hopefully move

35:39

some of these things forward

35:41

even quicker. quicker. Awesome. So speaking of

35:43

of this research and, you

35:45

know, what we've got Steve we've got

35:47

we've got Dr. which which are

35:49

just freaking brilliant minds and

35:51

they've been working on something that's

35:53

coming. Can you give us

35:55

a clue as to what that

35:57

might be? as to what that might So Yeah,

35:59

yeah. are a multifaceted organization

36:01

and we are currently working

36:04

on a supplement line that

36:06

is going to be launched

36:08

soon. Steve Ottersburg and Dr.

36:10

Alsaka are are really just

36:12

brilliant scientists and one of

36:14

their areas of expertise is

36:17

liposomal formulations and nanotechnology, really

36:19

formulating supplements in a way

36:21

that allows people to get

36:23

the most benefit out of

36:25

those supplements. So those are

36:27

the things that we're working

36:30

on right now, working to

36:32

launch those soon. And so

36:34

be, again, stay tuned, stay

36:36

tuned to our social media.

36:38

We'll be launching those products

36:40

here soon. And again, working

36:43

to get those in the

36:45

hands of the advocates and

36:47

clinicians that are working with

36:49

our patients. I had the

36:51

fortune of spending some time

36:53

with Dr. Alsaka during some

36:56

training that he was doing.

36:58

And one of the things

37:00

that I love about what

37:02

we're doing here at MTIH

37:04

and throughout our various initiatives

37:06

is there's this beautiful marriage

37:09

of clinical need and scientific

37:11

discovery, like, you know, because

37:13

Dr. Alsaka is a neurosurgeon,

37:15

because Dr. Nesha has seen

37:17

all these patients, because we

37:19

have all these clinicians and

37:21

advocates that are a part

37:24

of our community, and then

37:26

because we have the scientific,

37:28

you know, expertise of Steve

37:30

and Dr. Alsaka as well,

37:32

we are able to take

37:34

those clinical needs and think

37:37

about them in ways that.

37:39

How can we address this need? How

37:42

can we, how can we figure out

37:44

what we need to do to be

37:46

able to address the needs of the

37:49

people that are being seen by our,

37:51

you know, advocates and clinicians? What needs

37:53

do you have? How can we make

37:55

this happen? And, you know, that's one

37:58

of the great things about being a

38:00

part of an organization that's mission focused.

38:02

that, you know, we are in this

38:05

for the people and to ensure that

38:07

they can have access to the things

38:09

that they need to get healthy because

38:11

we're not a, you know, we're not

38:14

a big organization that's, you know, obviously

38:16

we need to need to earn money,

38:18

we need to support our organization and

38:21

support our efforts, but we can take

38:23

that time to really go, okay, what

38:25

opportunities do we have? to solve this

38:27

challenge because we have the challenges that

38:30

are being presented to us through our

38:32

community but then we also have the

38:34

scientific and medical expertise within our team

38:37

to make that happen and then the

38:39

flexibility within a small organization just say

38:41

yeah let's. let's make this work. Let's

38:44

figure it out. So it's a small

38:46

but mighty team. I'm blown away at

38:48

how few people can accomplish so much

38:50

in this organization. It's just it's literally

38:53

stunning to me. But speaking of so

38:55

you're about the community that we serve

38:57

and the people we work with. There's

39:00

a lot of thought out there that

39:02

right off the bat when you mention

39:04

complementary care, it's too expensive, I can't

39:06

afford it. And you guys have developed

39:09

beautiful metabolic health day, there's a grant

39:11

program, we are. I mean, you're a

39:13

non-profit organization. And I think that anytime

39:16

it comes to, even if you hear

39:18

the word supplement, if you're, ah, they're

39:20

just trying to make money, right? But

39:22

this is trying to raise money so

39:25

that we can actually give back and

39:27

help more people have access to more

39:29

tools. Can you speak to that a

39:32

little bit? Yeah, for sure. I mean,

39:34

obviously, and that's one of the most

39:36

disappointing things, you know, and disheartening, you

39:38

know, things that I hear, you know,

39:41

when, when people are like, oh, it's

39:43

too much money. We, because unfortunately a

39:45

lot of the therapies and things that

39:48

we recommend are not supported by insurance.

39:50

And so I think we, once you're

39:52

used to being in that insurance model,

39:55

you, it's, creates pause when you

39:57

have to pay

39:59

for something on a

40:01

pocket. on a pocket. But, you

40:04

know, we want to make sure want

40:06

to make sure that people have

40:08

access. And so have, we do have have

40:10

grant programs. So if you are

40:12

working with a clinician or an

40:14

advocate, an you can apply for those

40:16

funds. those grants are in the

40:18

amount of $1 ,000, of which can

40:20

go a long way to get get

40:23

people you know, testing to get to get them

40:25

access to supplements, to to get

40:27

them access to different therapies that

40:29

they need. And so like I

40:31

said, the requirement is that you

40:33

have an active cancer diagnosis cancer diagnosis and

40:35

that you are working working with one of our

40:37

network advocates or clinicians. That's, you you know, we

40:39

look at, at, you know, financial information as

40:41

well and, you know, grants are available

40:43

just based on the funds that we

40:46

have. And so funds constantly looking for

40:48

more funds to help. looking for those

40:50

funds to more people out

40:52

there. more people out there. so we're

40:54

currently doing a giving

40:56

Tuesday campaign campaign where, you know,

40:58

where can support cancer patient

41:00

grants with a donation. a

41:03

If they make a donation, then they

41:05

get access, a link they'll get a

41:07

link to to them for our metabolic

41:09

health day event space. And so And

41:11

is an event that we did on

41:13

October we did on We had 10th. We had about

41:15

we raised about $80 ,000 on that day, which

41:17

is that day, which is fantastic. So

41:20

that means will have access to a will have

41:22

and to to a grant. their care. But know want

41:24

to help support their care, but we want to

41:26

obviously continue to do that We don't want to be

41:28

we don't want to turn anybody away. If

41:30

you come to us for a

41:32

grant We want to be able to

41:34

award that grant to you And

41:36

so we're we're always looking for for

41:38

to to to partner with people that

41:41

want to do a fundraiser for us

41:43

a And then like I said that

41:45

metabolic said, day event space it was

41:47

held on event space, it was the content

41:49

in there is is pretty phenomenal. I

41:51

mean we've got I mean, many videos videos,

41:53

recipes. There's like a Q and with

41:55

Nays that's I think almost an hour

41:57

and a half long long, literally just

42:00

rattling through questions. And the hope is

42:02

that we can continue to grow that

42:04

space. I want to have some more

42:06

live. I thought the live discussions were

42:09

really fantastic with our advocates and our

42:11

practitioners and people in our community that

42:13

were, you know, they talking about children's

42:16

metabolic health. Cindy did a presentation on

42:18

the art of supplementation and really just

42:20

helped explain, you know, it's a little

42:22

overwhelming when you look at different supplements

42:25

and what you need and why you

42:27

need them. And so just the resources

42:29

on that site are really fantastic and

42:32

so I would and people can still

42:34

access that right yeah they can still

42:36

access it yep if they go to

42:38

metabolic health day dot life that's kind

42:41

of our you know our landing page

42:43

and then there's a link there that

42:45

will take them to the to the

42:48

site. And so like I said, it's

42:50

free, but we are asking everyone to

42:52

make a donation. Again, $5, $10, whatever

42:54

you can afford, you know, giving is

42:57

something that's really, we want it to

42:59

be meaningful to you and appropriate for

43:01

you. And so we didn't want to

43:03

put a price tag on this. We

43:06

want you to to make a donation

43:08

that that you think is. appropriate for

43:10

where you are. And again, we realize

43:13

that times are tough financially for a

43:15

lot of people. We understand that a

43:17

lot of people that are in a

43:19

canceling journey. There's a lot of expenses

43:22

that come their way, a lot of

43:24

challenges. And so we didn't want to

43:26

put this information behind a place where

43:29

people couldn't access it. And so it's

43:31

like I said, it's free with a

43:33

donation and it will remain open and

43:35

free for people that want to take

43:38

part. I would definitely encourage people to

43:40

go take a look at that. But

43:42

yeah, we're just constantly looking for opportunities

43:44

to bring this information to more people.

43:47

And so, you know, we want, we

43:49

want everyone to have access. Yeah, you

43:51

know, what, Lynn, I think, so I

43:54

worked in nonprofit for many, many years,

43:56

and I'll never forget, you know, there

43:58

would be certain fundraising drives, you know,

44:00

through. year. And our head of development

44:03

one time gave this presentation because a

44:05

lot of people feel awkward, right, asking

44:07

for money or saying, can you give

44:10

money to this? And she made a

44:12

really great point that I never forgot.

44:14

And she said, you're not trying to

44:16

take something from somebody. You're trying to

44:19

give someone an opportunity to give back

44:21

what they feel is valuable. And I

44:23

know that as someone who's had two

44:25

breast cancer diagnosis, who's managed cancer, that

44:28

for me, I love giving

44:30

to this organization. I love getting to

44:32

be a sponsor for Metabolic Health Day

44:34

because I want to amplify this message.

44:37

I know how much it's meant to

44:39

me to so many people I work

44:41

with. I see the quality of life

44:44

that it's changed for people. And I

44:46

want more people to know. So yeah,

44:48

if you, if you're someone listening, you're

44:50

like, I don't have an extra $5.

44:53

I understand that. I totally understand that.

44:55

But if you're someone who's listening, it's

44:57

like, you know what, I do have

45:00

an extra $5 or I do have

45:02

an extra $100,000. And you're like, I

45:04

want to change the lives of people

45:06

who are trying to get through this

45:09

treatment. It's an opportunity to give to

45:11

something that's meaningful to something that's meaningful

45:13

to you. that and that's exactly right

45:16

you know I people are sometimes hesitant

45:18

you know to ask and I encourage

45:20

people not to ask necessarily at the

45:22

start but to share your story to

45:25

share how how you've been impacted by

45:27

this information how you've been impacted by

45:29

this work you know what I always

45:32

tell people just share your passion. What

45:34

part of this work is meaningful to

45:36

you? Like and and and and share

45:39

it in your own words like you

45:41

know because that's that's where you start

45:43

to inspire people to to look to

45:45

look deeper and and and not all

45:48

giving funds is not the only way

45:50

that people can contribute. You know I

45:52

planting seeds but just by sharing the

45:55

things that you will either

45:57

in person or on

45:59

social media media or or

46:01

however, you know, I, like I

46:04

know, I've had Like I

46:06

said, I've had patients say I

46:08

bought the metabolic approach to cancer

46:10

book book bulk and I give it

46:12

to everybody who has a cancer

46:14

diagnosis diagnosis in my circle my it's

46:16

meant so much to me. so

46:18

me. And so, so are just so many

46:20

ways that people can share their

46:22

passion and share their hearts with

46:24

others. and you know and if if sharing your

46:26

passion and sharing your heart heart

46:28

a financial way, that's obviously great.

46:30

We appreciate it we will use those

46:32

and help more people, but funds to help

46:34

can help people. and you can

46:36

help us by just letting more people

46:38

know about the work that we're

46:40

doing. know about you know, you talked a

46:42

little bit about this earlier, bit the

46:44

this earlier the integrative, you know, you

46:47

know I think one thing that is

46:49

a bit of a challenge of a

46:51

challenge sometime is the language itself. There's a

46:53

little bit of, you know, of,

46:55

you know, negative thought,

46:58

I guess, thought, I guess, know,

47:00

about, you know, saying complementary,

47:02

saying, you know, alternative. And

47:04

our approach really is

47:06

a... is a. metabolic,

47:09

personalized, integrative approach, we

47:11

want to work with

47:13

standard of care. We that

47:15

the in the the standard

47:17

of care care are

47:19

important. And, you know, there know,

47:21

there are needs to be to be surgery. may

47:23

It may need to be chemo.

47:25

It may need to be this, but

47:27

how can we work together to

47:29

create that art and that science of

47:31

creating the best plan for that

47:33

person? to not just address,

47:35

you know, the immediate needs

47:37

immediate know, but also know, but

47:40

all the other things

47:42

that are going on that

47:44

are going on in hearts, bodies,

47:46

hearts, bodies, and so And so,

47:48

and again, I encourage people before

47:50

they, you they, you know,

47:53

before they off their, off their

47:55

ears and their eyes their eyes

47:57

and their hearts to

47:59

really, to someone who talked to

48:02

someone like you, who has not

48:04

only, you know, using this approach

48:06

for yourself, but has seen it

48:08

work with a variety of different

48:10

patients facing different things. No two,

48:12

two people can have the same

48:14

diagnosis, but have a completely different

48:16

path to healing. And I think

48:19

that's sometimes hard to explain because

48:21

people, people want to, you know,

48:23

that magic bullet of, okay, here's,

48:25

here's the thing that's going to

48:27

work. And it's just not that

48:29

easy. It's not linear. It's not

48:31

simple. Right. And you know what

48:33

to your point, so I'll share

48:35

this story. So many people I

48:38

think who do adopt what we

48:40

would think of as integrated approaches

48:42

or complementary approaches are afraid to

48:44

disclose that to their standard of

48:46

care doctors and vice versa, right?

48:48

And I understand because there's a

48:50

lot of judgment on both sides.

48:52

And it's a lot of judgment

48:54

on both sides. And it takes

48:57

a lot of energy to advocate

48:59

for yourself when your standard of

49:01

care oncologists, like I've heard so

49:03

many times, but why would your

49:05

doctor even look at this? What

49:07

do you even look at? But

49:09

I was in the Maldives for

49:11

the retreat was Dr. Nasia and

49:14

Dr. Osaka and I got to

49:16

have, you know, my case reviewed

49:18

by them. And I didn't realize,

49:20

like, I still had a nugget

49:22

of that in my mind too,

49:24

because as I reviewed my case,

49:26

I'm on oral chemotherapy. I take

49:28

a shot called Xjiba every three

49:30

months to help strengthen my bones

49:33

because I have bone meds. And

49:35

as we were going over everything,

49:37

and Dr. Nation, Dr. Osaka, we're

49:39

having this magical interaction. And I

49:41

was just like, this is amazing.

49:43

And then I asked about like,

49:45

well, what about, you know, my

49:47

standard of care stuff, like, should

49:49

I stop this? Should I do

49:52

that? And Dr. Osaka was like,

49:54

oh, never, this is doing great

49:56

for you. Don't stop that. don't

49:58

stop this. And I was like,

50:00

wow. And it kind of like

50:02

for a second took me back.

50:04

I was like, wow. And he

50:06

is a neurosurgeon, right? I mean,

50:09

he's a talented doctor who believes

50:11

in both. I think what he

50:13

did is metabolic health training at

50:15

Harvard and he's done all this

50:17

research. I mean, he is still

50:19

getting smart. And it was so.

50:21

such a cool experience to go,

50:23

wow, this guy who's brilliant in

50:25

both of these areas of health,

50:28

like just embraces it all and

50:30

there's no shame and there's no

50:32

judgment and it's like, keep doing

50:34

it until, you know, you're down

50:36

the road, we'll look at this

50:38

and then we'll see, does it

50:40

help? You know, it's great right

50:42

now, your bones are responding. I'm

50:44

like, wow, so nice to work

50:47

with someone who's just like take

50:49

it all in, embrace it. Right.

50:51

Well, and that's, again, that's, that

50:53

is, that's the goal to have

50:55

people, you know, who really look

50:57

at the whole picture and, and

50:59

go, okay, this, this, this works

51:01

for you, this doesn't work for

51:04

you because of X, Y, Z,

51:06

you know, and really using the

51:08

data, your data, and scientific data

51:10

to, to, to prove, prove your

51:12

point. And again, it's, it's, it's,

51:14

it's a journey. It's not a,

51:16

it's not a, oh, this is

51:18

it, this is it, I'm done,

51:20

I'm done, I'm done. I'm done.

51:23

I'm done. It's a constant, constant

51:25

work in progress. And, you know,

51:27

to have such brilliant people working

51:29

within this organization who are, I

51:31

mean, the hours that they put

51:33

in, like that's one thing that

51:35

I don't think people understand when

51:37

they're looking at how much it

51:39

costs to do this, that, the

51:42

other, you know, to work with

51:44

a practitioner to work with an

51:46

advocate, the hours that the individual

51:48

spend looking at. each individual's data.

51:50

I mean, six to 12 hours

51:52

per case that they're just combing

51:54

through all of this information to

51:56

really provide you with the best

51:59

possible path forward. and it's over

52:01

and over again. Like it's not just not

52:03

oh, this is it. Here you go.

52:05

Here's your plan and off you go. plan and

52:07

off you go. Like truly, truly look at look at

52:09

everything and want to to make sure

52:11

that they're creating your individual path

52:13

forward. Not not not for this person

52:15

over here and the one that's

52:17

worked for everybody else, the one

52:19

that's gonna work for you specifically.

52:21

that one me is what for should

52:23

be. that to me all get

52:25

access. should be we should that kind

52:28

of personalized care. And

52:30

care and you hope hope is all the various

52:32

things that we're doing is that

52:34

we can we can. work towards that

52:36

goal. One of the other projects,

52:38

one of our many projects one is

52:40

our data platform that we're working on.

52:42

lot of the work that we

52:44

do is manual. on, You're looking at

52:46

all these different labs, you're trying to

52:48

connect all these dots. you know, I'm

52:50

not a practitioner, but I think of

52:52

it like people who are investigating

52:54

crime scenes and looking at all their

52:56

little pins a all the

52:58

little strings. know, I think know,

53:00

like, the hope is that

53:03

using AI and you know, data.

53:06

from patients that have have

53:08

with us, we can

53:10

start making those connections. connections

53:12

faster that practitioners can put

53:14

the dots together quicker, help

53:17

more people more people and more

53:19

people onto a path

53:21

of path of wellness and healing.

53:23

wellness and it's all

53:26

working together in this

53:28

beautiful way that we can

53:30

get more people healthy. can

53:32

we can this approach out

53:34

out to Again, the goal

53:36

is everybody. Everyone should have access

53:38

to this. to this. So, absolutely, All

53:41

right, so so we've hopefully made

53:43

people very aware there's a lot of there's

53:45

a lot of resources available

53:47

to you. a great place there's a

53:49

great place to give back information

53:51

it you've got it, through financial

53:53

resources if you've got it.

53:55

There's a vision for the future

53:57

for even more support and resources

53:59

that coming and I just that's

54:01

what I really wanted people to

54:03

know I wanted them to understand

54:06

like there's so much available to

54:08

you and that it's important to

54:10

keep your mind open to that

54:12

and explore everything and see like

54:14

just because and I tell people

54:16

clients this on both sides some

54:18

clients like I've said before it

54:20

comes to me and there's like

54:22

everything natural I'm like what if

54:24

you just allowed yourself to see

54:26

what else was available to you

54:28

doesn't mean you have to do

54:30

it just means that maybe you

54:32

could explore it and maybe something

54:34

would resonate with you and I

54:36

think that's important on both sides

54:38

because I think a point we

54:40

didn't make like super clear is

54:42

that when you're supporting your metabolic

54:44

health, it's not like I'm choosing

54:46

this or that to heal me.

54:48

It's working together, but it's making

54:50

the standard of care treatments more

54:52

effective. Right, right, right, right. Is

54:55

it better outcomes because of the

54:57

state of metabolic health in your

54:59

body can weaken cancer and make

55:01

treatments more effective and that's super

55:03

important to realize. Yeah, and you

55:05

have. probably more lived experience with

55:07

this. I mean, I would love

55:09

for you to share just your

55:11

own experiences with how how using

55:13

a metabolic approach has helped you

55:15

in your own treatment journey. Yeah,

55:17

and you know, so I am

55:19

similar to the people who shared

55:21

in that board experience with you,

55:23

right? I had a follow up

55:25

CT scan in 2018 after my

55:27

original diagnosis was in 2011. And

55:30

in that scan, there was a three and

55:32

a half centimeter tumor in the lymph nodes

55:34

from the side I originally had breast cancer

55:36

on and nobody told me. So in 2020,

55:39

when I had an accidental fall, which I

55:41

call the fall that saved my life because

55:43

it's so bad, it required more and more

55:45

diagnostics and we discovered cancer in that hip,

55:47

in my femurs, in my pelvis, in both

55:50

hips, in throughout my spine, three of my

55:52

ribs, my forehead, my forehead, my forehead, my

55:54

shoulder blade, my chest was full of fluid

55:56

at that tumor had become a five and

55:59

a five and a five and a five

56:01

and a five and a five and a

56:03

five. now because it had just been spreading

56:05

for two years. And it was not a

56:07

good situation, right? So let's speak to the

56:10

integrative part of this is that one of

56:12

my dear friends is a physician. So this

56:14

was in the middle of lockdown when this

56:16

was happening. So fortunately I knew her and

56:19

she got me into an oncologist right away.

56:21

It was an amazing man. And I started

56:23

on standard of care treatment. I started on

56:25

oral chemotherapy and hormone treatment. And

56:27

that was as I was in this,

56:30

what do I do next? How do

56:32

I heal myself? What's right? Do I

56:34

become a vegan? Do I just fast?

56:36

And this is something my experience. And

56:38

I know a lot of people experience

56:40

the fear of food. They didn't just

56:42

become, oh, I don't eat anything. Like

56:44

as long as I eat, don't eat.

56:46

Now I feel safe because I don't

56:48

know if something I'm eating is making

56:50

me sick, right? That's not healthy. That's

56:52

not good. Right. Right. And so. But

56:54

because of the standard of care treatments

56:56

and I had radiation because I need

56:58

a radiation on my spine I need

57:00

a radiation in my hip. And what

57:02

I discovered, so in that part, in

57:04

that, that, those treatments, they were rough.

57:07

That was rough on me. Those, those

57:09

30 rounds of radiation kicked my ass.

57:11

Yeah. It was hard. And so evolving,

57:13

moving forward, then I see, of course,

57:15

the metabolic approach to cancer, I've already

57:17

read it, I pick it back up,

57:19

I start getting back into it, and

57:21

then I get this email nacious training

57:23

advocates. I knew she trained doctors. But

57:25

I didn't know she trained other people.

57:27

And so I was like, oh my

57:29

God, I'm in. This is it. And

57:31

I got into it to learn how

57:33

to heal myself. Then I started to

57:35

see by doing these practices and following

57:37

the metabolic approach, how much better I

57:39

felt. Right. So I was still doing

57:41

chemotherapy treatments. I still had to go

57:44

back into radiation for another hip. but

57:46

then I knew, okay, here's a protocol

57:48

for radiation that you can do, so

57:50

it doesn't kick your ass as bad,

57:52

and it makes radiation more effective. And

57:54

so in my experience, I say now

57:56

that because of the

57:58

metabolic approach to cancer,

58:00

here I am

58:02

four years later years later

58:04

after a four diagnosis. I

58:07

have a PET scan coming up, but

58:09

my last PET scan showed one lymph node

58:11

with activity out of everything that was

58:13

going on in my body. that was going

58:15

on that to medicine, I attribute

58:17

that to my lifestyle, I I attribute

58:19

that to all of the emotional

58:21

that to all of know, all of the

58:23

you know, all tools that I've used,

58:25

learned and discovered that I had

58:27

to let shit go to let shit go of.

58:29

Right. all of it is the whole

58:31

ball of of wax, I believe that that, you

58:33

you know, next week I'll be 61

58:36

years old. And I'm like, at 61 years

58:38

old. the energy to have the energy

58:40

to get up every day, go to

58:42

the gym, walk on the beach, engage

58:44

with my family, engage with my friends,

58:46

run my business, manage my clients, and. and

58:48

be in treatment for stage 4

58:50

cancer four that is because because. I'll

58:53

it all in, right? right? I agree.

58:55

That's right. it it all supports my

58:57

quality of life and how

58:59

my body can respond to

59:01

everything when I'm when I'm taking

59:03

some very toxic drugs for

59:06

a good reason my save my

59:08

life. Exactly. Absolutely. Yeah. So Yeah. it's the

59:10

it's the whole ball of wax I

59:12

know I know people who are

59:14

going through similar treatments to me who

59:16

are are just exhausted, you know, know,

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who have the have the energy to

59:20

participate in their lives. lives. their digestive

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systems are screwed up are

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you know, all kinds of

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things. And I believe that

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I'm not experiencing that because

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I adopted the metabolic approach. I

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adopted the that's beautiful. And you're

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amazing That's beautiful and amazing. And

59:37

I think those are the

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things that I want more

59:42

people. things that I want more people to hear

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is a path forward forward and

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there are people that can

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help you create that path. that

59:51

path. without judgment, you know,

59:53

know, we all have to make

59:55

personal choices for our health. for

59:58

our health. you know, I. this

1:00:00

community is a great place to

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come. And so, you know, I

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guess I'll just close by saying,

1:00:06

you know, if you have questions,

1:00:08

please reach out. You know, if

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I would encourage you to. reach

1:00:12

out to an advocate, you know,

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look at the, look at our

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directory. Again, start with an advocate

1:00:18

and say, this is where I,

1:00:20

you know, these are the things

1:00:22

that I think might be causing

1:00:24

me challenges or I don't know

1:00:26

what's causing me challenges. I need

1:00:28

help getting started. Like, don't allow

1:00:30

those financial barriers to prevent you

1:00:32

from at least having a starting

1:00:35

conversation because you know all of

1:00:37

us want to help people get

1:00:39

started and so if you're getting

1:00:41

started looks like talking to an

1:00:43

advocate and then coming to the

1:00:45

metabolic health day space just to

1:00:47

learn more or getting the book

1:00:49

you know maybe that's what it

1:00:51

looks like until you know you

1:00:53

can figure out a game plan

1:00:55

of you know how you can

1:00:57

move forward with other things but

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It breaks my heart when people

1:01:01

allow financial barriers to cause a

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full stop because there are so

1:01:05

much that can be done with

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the support of this community and

1:01:09

with the resources that we have

1:01:11

available to help you get started

1:01:13

in some way shape or form.

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So don't lose hope, don't, you

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know, use us, use this community

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as a resource for you so

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we can help you move forward.

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Love it. And I'll link to everything

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that we discussed in the show notes

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for this episode to make it easy

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for everybody finds and I have to

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remember links. Thank you. They do access

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that information. Thank you so much. This

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has been so informative and I hope

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people are inspired and encouraged and use

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this information to make their lives even

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better. I appreciate you and all that

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you do and the time. And just

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thank you for, thank you for providing

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this opportunity to share. All

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right, my friends, I really hope that

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you enjoyed that conversation. I know I

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did. I got to talk to Lynn

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for days, and I just love share.

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available, what's coming, what the vision is,

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and that there's help and resources available

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for you. You know I did a

1:02:07

couple of podcasts before that talked about

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how it's so important for you to

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reach out when you know you need

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help. And where these grants are available,

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so in order to get a grant,

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you must be working already with a

1:02:20

metabolic train institute of health advocate like

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myself or a practitioner or in our

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group that's been through the metabolic terrain

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training with Dr. Nation Winters, when you

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do that, when you get that foot

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in the door and you say, yes,

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I want to work with you, then

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you can apply and you can get

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up to $1,000 to support you in

1:02:40

this important work to support your health.

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So please. Click on the

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links that you will find in the show

1:02:47

notes for this episode where you're watching this

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on YouTube, where you're listening to this podcast,

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or on my website, the Breast Cancer Recovery

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Coach.com/three eight nine. Click on the links. Once

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for help, reach out. Get the support you

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need. The important thing here is to remember

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that with these grants available to people, that

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means people are giving money because they want

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to support you. And the more you take

1:03:07

advantage of that and you show that there

1:03:09

was value in it, the more people will

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give. That is how these non-profits work. As

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a non-profit, you get to go to people

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who have the resources and say, look, this

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is how many people you were able to

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help with the money that came into us.

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So whatever side you land on right now

1:03:24

in your life or in this upcoming year

1:03:27

or just wherever you're at in support, if

1:03:29

you have it to give, give, if you

1:03:31

have a need, use it because when we

1:03:33

use it, we create more. All right? I

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hope this helps. I love this season of

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giving. I love that there are organizations like

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this. I hope they're supporting. I love. that

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there are non-profits that are mostly driven by

1:03:44

people who've been through the pain of what

1:03:46

we're going through, right, that have been through

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cancer, that no struggle and any non-profit.

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Most Most non -profits are

1:03:53

started by somebody who

1:03:55

went through a struggle

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a was so passionate

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about supporting other people

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in that same experience in

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that they went out

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and did the work

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to create something to

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help. the work to create All right? to

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So I hope that it was an inspiring

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message for you. I know it was

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for me. it was And I hope you take

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advantage of these gifts if it's it's something

1:04:21

that you need. All All right? good care of good

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care of I'll talk I'll talk to you again next week.

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You've put your courage

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to the test, laid

1:04:32

all your doubts to

1:04:34

rest. Your mind is

1:04:37

clearer than before, your

1:04:39

heart is full and

1:04:42

wanting more, your future's

1:04:44

at the door. Give

1:04:47

it all you've got,

1:04:49

no hesitating, you've been

1:04:52

waiting all your life.

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This is your

1:05:01

moment in time.

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This is your

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moment in time.

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This is your

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moment. This is

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your moment to

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shine. Just shine.