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Beyond Send

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for 21 Hey

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there, welcome to the show. This

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is Beyond Sinth. I'm Andy, I

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host the show. Today I am

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chatting with Mild Peril, which is

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his overall project name because he

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makes music under multiple things. There's

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Paladin, Cosmic Anks, some others, we'll

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get into it. And we're going

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to talk to him really soon.

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We had a good chat. I

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would just like to say thank

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you to the awesome people who

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support Beyond Sinthe, like the Kings

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of the Paterson's, Mike Shema, Mike

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Erdahl, Riley Booth, Brandon Decker, and

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Randy. And if you want to

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support the show like those cool

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people, you can go to patreon.com/Beyond

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Sinthe. I would like to point

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out that yes, I did not make

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a 420 joke on episode 420, and

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I apologize to all those people who

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were expecting one. Do people even care

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about 420 jokes anymore? We're like

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adults. Like what's... I didn't get a

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few people saying that though. I don't know

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what or what do I supposed to smoke

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weed every day, you know, and just cut

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to the episode, like I don't know. But

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the point is, we're gonna get right to

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it. I've been having a frustrating day. I thought

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it would be cool to get a

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little mini PC and then put it

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inside the shell of an N64. And

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you know when people complain about console

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gaming, go, that's why I'm a PC

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gamer. I'll tell you this, I'll tell

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you why I'm a console gamer is

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because whenever I do anything with PCs,

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it is incredibly frustrating. And there's always

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a new problem, which is fun. My

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newest one is, I'm just running old emulators, obviously

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N64, and I bought a computer that's not incredibly

2:04

powerful, but I only needed to output in 1080.

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Like I'm fine with just HD output. But since

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the TV is 4K, the computer literally won't. output

2:11

a 1080 signal like it just puts it in

2:13

a little square in the corner of the screen

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and I've been adjusting the TV's settings I've been

2:17

adjusting the computer settings the video card settings display

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settings the settings within the emulator itself and it's

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like the only way it'll run smoothly for some

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wacky reason as if it's running in 4k resolution

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but then that makes the game run choppy because

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the computer can't handle it now I'm sure I

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have an HD monitor in a basement or something

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but like it's just frustrating I want to test

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out some gold Goldeney Net Play. I've been talking

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to Marco, we're going to set up some Goldeney

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Net Play. Because also I was talking to some

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people in the discord. I think it would be

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cool sometime to set up some Beyond Sint, online

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gaming session with the patrons or something. And of

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course, I would make you all play Goldeney with

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me. Then the facade will be lifted when you

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actually find out that I'm actually not that good-headed.

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However. Still, it would be fun. It would be

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about video games at all. However. We do indulge

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something, so I apologize to the listeners in advance,

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because... You know how every episode, I bring up

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Goldine all occasionally say the sentence, you know I'm

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a Doctor Who fan, I'm a classic Doctor Who

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fan, I'm a classic Doctor Who fan, I'm a

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classic Doctor Who fan, and you know, the guest

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never bites because no one ever gives a shit,

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but whenever I do encounter a guest who actually

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knows Doctor Who, it can get a little nerdy.

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So I haven't listened back to the interview back

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to the interview back to the interview, I haven't.

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Dr. Who focused on some very specific references to

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Dr. Who that only Dr. Who nerds will get

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and I apologize But look you know what it's

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like when you like something and nobody wants to

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talk to you about So whenever I actually find

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somebody who can have a conversation about classic doctor

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who like it's really hard for

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me to me to not go there,

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the and the irony is,

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however long we talked

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about it, I it out about half

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because I'm like, oh,

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the audience is gonna be

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so mad. to be so mad. You

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know what it's know what it's

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like to be a

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nerd. You know what it's

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like like have your passions? And

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it's a and it's a

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nice thing when you meet

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somebody who knows those

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things, too. You know what

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I mean? So So just, you

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know, live vicariously through

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the idea that, hey, if

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you actually cared about

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this shit, cared about this shit, would

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make you feel good.

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You know what I mean?

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Listen, I I'm just here

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to bring positive vibes,

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all right? So look, let's

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listen to a So track,

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and then when it's

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finished, I will be in

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conversation with be in conversation with

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aka Paladin, all sorts of

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other artists. all this is

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other artists. the track Paladin, with the

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track Cavern Dwellers. Right,

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well look, I'm here right now with a

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guy with many names, and he's going to

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explain it very succinctly now. I'm here with

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Chris, who goes by Mild Peril, or Mild

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Peril is the sort of the overarching band

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camp name, which houses several different synth-based projects

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in different. styles I would say right like

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there's dungeon synth and cosmic scint or you

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know whatever you want to call it and

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so there's paladin and cosmic angst and body

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party party is something too right I mean

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basically if I had a cool name like

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the genre show jar or something all I

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want me is to go under my own

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name and I tried it I wrote it

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out in different ways use my whole name

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I mean my name's Christopher John Gilbert that

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doesn't like anything So Melperil was, that's what

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I was using when I guess I became

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known or at least known outside of like

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people in London. But I'm a perfectionist and

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I change my mind a lot. But Melperil

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now, I mean it doesn't sound like a

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band name to me. It's so, Melperil is

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like the project name or like the record

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label on which I only released from my

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own stuff and then everything else is like

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a project under that. So it's like Chris.

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has male apparel to the name for like

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my music and any other art I might

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create which I don't but clearly up the

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artwork and everything and then you've got like

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Haladin is the the wizard disco stuff I

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call it cosmic angst is the cosmic obviously

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wibbly wobbly and dream type epic since music

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and then yeah there's been other projects to

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like body party molesa maybe some more yeah

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I don't know I don't people really confused

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about it well it's all been sorted now

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that's the important thing before we did this

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I was just sitting listening okay I probably

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got to talk on my own music actually

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go back and listen to it all I

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don't think I write music very quickly at

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all but considering I've been doing this just

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over 10 years so I've been a lot

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of like I've been you will go back

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and rename things as well, right? Like when

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you decided that the space stuff was a

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different thing, then you go back and like...

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Yeah, and this is the best people of

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the full as well. You know what, I

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think about it a whole I have full

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weight, it's a lot, I just realized that

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it is what it is, but when something's

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like got a producer and it's got lots

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of money behind it, and it's on a

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proper regular play with all that like, it

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goes for quality for it was always made,

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if you're the guy in your guy in

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your bedroom. you know, making music, like, a

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nice stuff, not for a while though, but

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I stuck stuff on Mancamp, I was like...

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Oh shit, like one channel was turned off

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or like it's all in the left speaker

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or something, you know, it's like we could

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be quick and take it down again when

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you're doing it by yourself. And I mean,

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Bangkok is amazing, but there's less of these

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quality filters. So you've got no producers sitting

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there going, are you sure you want to

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do that? So yeah, just one of those

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things, and that's part of the problem. Yeah,

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and I just did, I just recently rechrist,

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rechristined some, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like cosmic angst being what I sort of

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think is the more serious about all of

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it but cosmic angst more like closer to

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my heart I suppose but the way I

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look at it is it's an evolving work

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you know basically when I die, you know,

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it'd be finished then. At that point, it

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would be established what was under what project

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name. Right, but then I suppose like regardless

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of which project name you're operating under, it's

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still just a lot of, you know, sitting

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at a computer zoning out for hours. That's

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just saying our computer, but I think even

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without that, like, writing, in the loop. Like

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I don't know like, I've just got years

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ago, I was like 18 or something, I

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was still at home no younger than that.

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Anyway, propeller heads who do reason, actually I

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think an ad just called Reason Studios, but

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they did, I know the TB 303, the

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sort of the acid house since, and they

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did like a really good substance of that,

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and yeah, I would just literally sit. on

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my parents' computer, like, throughout the night, just

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tweaking it over and over and over and

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over. It's what, like, acid house, it basically

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is, you know, blanking off on the knobs

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on our, yeah. That's what my life's like

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now. Does the word mild peril mean something

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to you? Yeah, totally. So in probably late

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nights, early 2000s, when you got, like, the,

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the rating, like, 18 or whatever and then

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you would have like content guidelines. Yes, yeah,

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yeah, yeah. If you look this up actually,

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if you Google contains mild peril, you will

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find it. There's an article about some of

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the funniest content, no content warnings, or like

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what does it have? But yeah, one of

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them was mild peril and it just, I

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think at a time I was actually like,

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I was talking about doing other art. I

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used to like draw a lot and it

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was doing these weird zines that I'd no

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one ever saw apart from apart from me.

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The guy that did the artwork with Radiohead,

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okay computer, that's sort of like, millennial, sort

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of urban angst sort of thing. Yeah, I

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used to like collect like these weird sort

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of phrases like that that you get. Mard

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Coral, what's I mean? It's just realist. Things

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are stuck and when I started writing music,

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well I was running very different music actually

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to more. I first released as an art

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peril. Yeah, I just started using it. I

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always think of it as if I were

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like, it's boring, it has that sort of

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film connection, because I think my music is

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quite, at least I'm inspired by film a

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lot. But yeah, Marquelles, I like, have I

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left the gas on? You know, it's that

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sort of like, I always think like, you

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know, when you got, I remember like, there

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was a year, my avatar came out, and

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then the first, the new Star Trick films

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came out, and they both had. mild pebled

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in them. There's a really similar scene where

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the main character is like Captain Kirk and

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one. He chose to buy some like massive

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monster anything. I know he's not gonna die.

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So what is this? This is just like,

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it's mildly perilous. It's meant to have a

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kind of ridiculous sort of thing to it.

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I try to be, even though like I'm

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really serious about the music right, I also

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like to piss out on myself all the

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time. So yeah, and I like the fact

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that he has like a... It sounds kind

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of like epic and medieval but and it's

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so silly so multi-partens so right yeah no

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I get it my favorite one of those

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content warning things was yeah it's probably from

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this time we rented the film the descent

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which is you know that horror film where

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the ladies go slunking and there's like these

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kind of weird you yeah and the and

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the warning on the back of the box

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was humanoid creature butts That would have been

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a really good title for the film. Although,

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or at least, I loved it. That movie

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was, like, horrifying. And just to see one

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of the warning, they used the word butts.

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Just sort of lightens it a bit when

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you just, then you watch the film. Like,

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oh, it's about these crazy fucking cannimals and,

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like, murder these ladies? Like, it's awful. But,

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you know, but. That's right to say he

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was nil Marshall Marshall. Like, he did that

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he did that. He did dog soldiers, he

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did dog soldiers, he did dog soldiers, which

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was just, like, like, like, like, like, like,

15:08

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

15:10

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

15:12

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

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like, like, like, like, like, like Stop doing

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anything. He dropped just a couple of episodes

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of Game of Thrones. I didn't like anything

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else he did. Who did the sequel? Because

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there's a dissent too. I don't even know.

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Is that like a like an American psychore

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too? And it's like what? No, I think

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what they do is like an American psychore

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too. And it's like what? No, I think

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what they do is they sort of like,

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hey, she escaped. But then they actually like,

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no, she actually didn't actually didn't escape, it.

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that's all that sounds like bullshit to me.

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I don't think it's like hated. I'm not

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really a horror film guy so I don't

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know too much about this but I don't

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think it's seen as like a horrible sequel

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just seen as sort of an unnecessary I

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don't know if it's like if it's like

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alien style like we gotta go back and

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eradicate these creature butts and then they'll just

16:02

show up with machine guns and like an

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army, like that'd be pretty awesome. I didn't

16:07

know that existed and I'm not gonna look

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it out. Yeah, I'm really like anti-sequible, generally

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speaking. I'm obsessed with a little box. I'm

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just looking out, yeah, Neil Marshall didn't do

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very much, good, after, dog soldiers and then

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suspend. Anyway, well, it's all good. How about

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this? Let's listen to some music, and then

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we'll keep chatting. So I was going through

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your varied catalog, and I thought we'd listen

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to this. I like to go sort of

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in order. So there's a track, you did

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a thing called Molosar? if I'm correct. It's

16:33

difficult to get the dates totally correct because

16:35

I feel like some of these things. I

16:37

always go by the band camp date but

16:39

then sometimes in parentheses it's like this was

16:42

released earlier in a different place and so

16:44

I don't know if the band camp date

16:46

is the same as the whatever who cares

16:48

the point is it's a cool song so

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yeah I'm really sorry about my I'm really

16:53

sorry about my I'm like I'm really sorry

16:55

about my I'm like I'm like really sorry

16:57

about my I'm like I'm like really sorry

16:59

about my I'm like I'm like new retrowave

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and then they release it themselves and then

17:03

they release it themselves and then they release

17:06

it themselves it themselves and then they release

17:08

it themselves and then they release it's released

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that happened to me recently where i played

17:12

a song thinking like oh this is like

17:14

from a new video game soundtrack this song

17:17

is cool because the label just sent it

17:19

to me and then when i actually looked

17:21

it up i'm like oh this is from

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like seven years ago well who i mean

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i don't give a shit like if music's

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new to me i mean i don't give

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a shit like if music's new to me

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i mean i don't give a shit like

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if music's new to me i don't care

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when it's new to me I Well, I

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guess this is mollusar by mollusar, is that

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correct? Yeah, I actually know how you pronounce

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it. I always say mollusar, everyone else pronounces

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it, I think, so. Well, we'll figure that

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out later. I'll use AI to fix it.

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Alright, out. And that was Molissar with

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the track Molissar or Molissar. Now, how do

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they say it in the movie? Have you

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ever seen The Keep? Yeah, totally. That's why

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that's the whole thing. He's not named in

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the Keep. It's so it's not true. To

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be fair, I've never actually watched the film.

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I've just sort of watched scenes from it.

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Just watch it. It's so good. It looks

22:19

like it's up my alley because I still

22:21

I love legend and a lot of it

22:23

is to do just with the tangerine dream

22:25

and the weird like sometimes you have almost

22:28

like a weird atmosphere that is created because

22:30

it's truncated in an unnatural way. Because you

22:32

know the movies was butchered in the editing

22:34

or whatever and so it's sort of like

22:36

it just has an odd and I feel

22:38

like that's the case with the keep as

22:40

well right like the studio edited it. Did

22:42

Let them stop about too? Yeah, but it's

22:44

not as bad because he's the one who

22:46

did it. Yeah. That's why like I saw

22:48

like a behind the scenes that always sort

22:50

of bugged me a bit because obviously he's

22:52

a great director, but he's like threw some

22:54

stoners under the bus. He said he showed

22:57

the movie at a screening and there were

22:59

some stoners there who said the movie was

23:01

boring. So he decided to. Shorten it legend I'm

23:03

talking about yeah, and then add the tangerine dream

23:05

score to make a kind of more hip and

23:07

stuff And then he's has like this final aside

23:09

where he's like so that's the last time I

23:12

ever let people into my screening if they're smoking

23:14

or whatever like some dumb thing I think I've

23:16

seen the same make it all It frustrated me

23:18

because on one hand I'm like well the kids

23:20

were right because the tangerine dream score is what

23:23

makes that movie but it also doesn't simultaneously simultaneously

23:25

justify the odd editing of the theatrical cut.

23:27

Yeah, I have got the version that has

23:29

both on, but I just watched along with

23:32

the Tangerine Dream soundtrack because it's, I always

23:34

say superior. Who's, who's, who's, who's the... No,

23:36

it is superior, because the other one I

23:38

would classify as normal expected fantasy film music.

23:41

You know what I mean? Like, it's just

23:43

sort of boring. Who is it? This whole

23:45

thing is going to be me on letterbooks.

23:47

That's fine. He's a famous composer. God. But

23:50

you know, he doesn't want to sing music.

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So we don't care if I am. Yeah,

23:54

yeah, yeah. But the keep is when I've always

23:56

meant to watch because I've only seen the Molosar

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scenes, which were awesome. But also devoid of

24:01

sound design. You know, so like, he

24:03

walks out and sucks Gabriel Burns' soul.

24:05

And like, there's kind of no Foley

24:07

sound or anything. Like, he crushes the

24:09

cross, and then there's just this one,

24:11

like, metal dropping sound effect that you

24:14

can still hear, like, it's not even

24:16

faded in and out properly. So you

24:18

hear, like, the fuzz that accompanies every

24:20

sound effect in that scene, just, and

24:22

then just an abrupt abrupt stop, because

24:24

it's not properly sound mixed. Yeah, I

24:26

mean it's a mess definitely, but like,

24:29

I love it. It's the sort of

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film, and this has actually happened, I

24:33

told you about the film, and they're

24:35

like, what? That doesn't exist. There's a

24:37

World War II film directed by Michael

24:39

Mann, so it looks like it's actually

24:42

in the 80s, and it's got Ian

24:44

McCullen in it. He's young, but he's

24:46

playing him as old as he is

24:48

now, and then he's young again. And

24:50

it's called Cableburn, it's got Yergen, how

24:52

you pronounce his name. And, oh yeah,

24:54

I'm the Sandrex, done by Tandron Dream.

24:57

Oh yeah, I'll do it. It's about

24:59

Nazis in the mountains fighting a sort

25:01

of blue bodybuilder. And people are like,

25:03

what? I don't exist. Yes, it does.

25:05

He also looks like the X-Men character

25:07

Apocalypse. I don't know if they got

25:10

inspiration from this movie, but like that's

25:12

what I thought the second I saw

25:14

the second I saw him, but for

25:16

me. British voices and so the Demolisar

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scenes I've watched them a whole but

25:20

I've never watched the movie but I've

25:22

watched this the scene just where do

25:25

you come from or whatever's like I

25:27

am from you and then just grabs

25:29

them and fucking sucks his soul out

25:31

I'm like this is awesome just this

25:33

always happens to me like I spend

25:35

a lot of money on getting like

25:37

an obscure version of a film that

25:40

hasn't been re-release radius I did it

25:42

was cruising the alpaccino gay leather murder

25:44

film by and stuff which is another

25:46

grateful you had to have to see.

25:48

And then I spent like too much

25:50

money on getting some obscure DVD or

25:53

copy of it and then they released

25:55

it It's just happened with with the

25:57

key. It's been I don't know if

25:59

it's actually official because Michael Mandel has

26:01

been like no, I'm not I'm not

26:03

learning actually out Well, I think it

26:05

is. Yeah, the vinegar syndrome one right

26:08

like I think It's official. Yeah, if

26:10

there is like a genuine blueway of

26:12

it out, then obviously get that one.

26:14

But yeah, like get it, watch it,

26:16

it's amazing, it's a mess, but it's

26:18

like all those things crashing together, it's

26:20

just, I mean, jot, I'm really bad

26:23

at all the words, I'm really bad

26:25

at all the words, unless I spent

26:27

a lot of time writing out of

26:29

posts, like, I love those weird films

26:31

that shouldn't exist. Yes. You know, you

26:33

know, I'm like. I feel like recent

26:36

people have been trying to sort of

26:38

consciously do that sort of film like

26:40

films like I don't know like Mandy

26:42

or something. Yeah and that filmmaker made

26:44

Beyond the Black Rainbow which is like

26:46

totally going for that vibe but I've

26:48

never seen like a trailer for some

26:51

other project in that vein wasn't there

26:53

like there was something called like the

26:55

void or something was that a thing

26:57

the void? Yeah keep me into rewatch

26:59

that I remember it being a bit

27:01

like Yeah, like they were consciously trying

27:04

to do that weird film from the

27:06

80s thing. Yeah, within the synthwave scene

27:08

and like, you know, in and around

27:10

the synthwave scene, there is a lot

27:12

of that. You know, there's the musical

27:14

version of that, there's like the TV

27:16

show version of that, you know, like

27:19

the TV show version of that, you

27:21

know, like Stranger things, just so we

27:23

know that it's 1984 and they'll have

27:25

this and that and yeah. was really

27:27

good at like actually like I thought

27:29

the fact I'd called Stranger Things really

27:31

felt strange it felt weird it felt

27:34

like what it it felt like the

27:36

memory of watching a film that you're

27:38

probably too young to watch from the

27:40

era it felt like it felt weird

27:42

and I love the ending had a

27:44

question mark to it I mean like

27:47

I said I hate sequel so like

27:49

right that's perfect don't do it oh

27:51

they're doing a second city it was

27:53

fine and the soundtrack was it was

27:55

it was really wobbly, sent music. Yeah,

27:57

I thought it was great. And then

27:59

the second series, like straight red. they

28:02

were like, like, they have a Halloween

28:04

episode, there's permanent ghost buses. Yeah, so

28:06

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Troaps

28:08

in it, yeah. A lot of my

28:10

enjoyment of Stranger Things is powered by

28:12

that title sequence. Yeah, yeah. The theme,

28:14

particularly, never mind the internet music. The

28:17

theme, she is amazing. You know, it's

28:19

so good that Tandream Dream covered it.

28:21

Everyone's covered it. Yeah, but Tandream. Don't

28:23

don't do covers. Woble trip. Yeah, my

28:25

favorite example of that was from, although

28:27

they did it to the extreme, but

28:30

do you ever watch Garth Morangi's Dark

28:32

Place? Oh yeah, totally. I love the

28:34

fucking tape wobble in that show, like

28:36

whenever they edit scenes and you actually

28:38

literally hear the added point in the

28:40

musical, like, so good. I watched some

28:42

of that guy's, what's the guy's name?

28:45

Matthew Holness? Yes, have you seen Gun

28:47

for George? Oh, yeah, fine. So I

28:49

watched all those, yeah, he's like weird

28:51

short films, I think most of them

28:53

on YouTube, because I watched, I re-watched

28:55

Parson recently, which is the horror film

28:58

that he did. Have you seen Parson?

29:00

I've seen scenes from Parson. He said

29:02

you don't like horror films, yeah, it's

29:04

very, very, very, very extreme, right. Yeah,

29:06

he's got that. He's got that. He's

29:08

got that. He's got that. weird 70s,

29:10

80s, you can't quite be. Yeah. But

29:13

like, from a face operator point of

29:15

view as well, which is, which is,

29:17

you don't see enough, I think. I

29:19

do watch that short from time to

29:21

time, a gun for George. Yeah, whenever

29:23

it cuts to those 70s, like, gritty,

29:25

like, gritty revenge movie bits, like, it's

29:28

perfect. Like, he captures it perfectly with

29:30

the music and everything. It's like a

29:32

sniper. it's like 10 minutes long or

29:34

something and it's like there's been like

29:36

an outbreak of rabies yes like watching

29:38

someone you might have to shoot you

29:41

might not any sort of players it's

29:43

got semi serious and it's weird and

29:45

when the guy's famous for doing like

29:47

Garth Rangian yeah well look I want

29:49

to listen to some more music so

29:51

how about we listen to a paladin

29:53

track this is myth maker from

29:56

the album Matter, is is

29:58

that correct? Yeah, when

30:00

you played it, I'll try explain.

30:02

OK, so let's

30:04

do it. This is

30:06

do it. This is Miss Maker, my

30:08

Paladin. All

35:25

right, that was was Myth Maker by

35:27

by Paladin, and I'm here with

35:30

the man of of many names, and

35:32

talking to talking to you can

35:34

and you can tell

35:36

us all about that.

35:38

this was another one

35:41

with the date where

35:43

it's the date on the it's

35:45

I think it originally

35:47

came out but I think it

35:49

am I wrong? Am I

35:51

wrong? Yeah, so this is like, there's two,

35:53

Wizard Disco albums, Mater, Quest, Quest.

35:55

and Matta was the

35:57

one I originally had out

35:59

as mild Mild on on and

36:01

that's and that's about

36:04

the time when other

36:06

people from around the

36:08

world started playing attention. I it it

36:10

largely because I did

36:12

like a a of

36:14

the of threat. theme which I considered redoing

36:16

when I did the second pass but then

36:18

I think I started doing and then it

36:20

turned into different pieces of music I find

36:22

that a lot I'll go back and like

36:24

try and like correct something I did or

36:27

correct something I think I need to correct

36:29

but they don't and then it was just

36:31

writing a new piece of music but yeah

36:33

so matter is the first whether it's this

36:35

version of from 2018 or if you got

36:37

like the cassette tape from like 20 14

36:39

I think it was I didn't set out

36:41

to write a sort of medieval synth album

36:43

necessarily but that's how it turned out and

36:45

in other places I think it was like

36:48

there was like a moment conversations right is

36:50

is there is there a hidden genre called

36:52

medieval synth I was thinking about stuff like

36:54

I don't know Enya particularly the more like

36:56

synthly tracks that Enya does find it's one

36:58

called the Celts of the album the Celts

37:00

which it's obviously got a voice of voice

37:02

on it but it's largely it's sort of

37:04

synth scenes And actually, if you go on

37:06

MixCloud, I did like a introduction to Wizard

37:08

Disco, I tried to sort of like piece

37:11

together with this made-up genre that I decided

37:13

existed. It's going about talking about like, when

37:15

we're talking about the keep. The original idea

37:17

of Molossa actually was to do something kind

37:19

of, I hate like... being ironic and being

37:21

retro for the sake of it but I

37:23

was just I remember I just had suddenly

37:25

had the image of like the face of

37:27

the guy of Bolesar that you know that

37:29

weird bodybuilder monster guys from from the key

37:31

and like they'll just his name Bolesar underneath

37:34

and I was like that'd be really cool

37:36

he saw that but I wanted to hear

37:38

what that means it is and I also

37:40

I just like thought a logo like sounds

37:42

and samples and things and there was some

37:44

that was never going to use in any

37:46

other project and I was like well I

37:48

want to use those sounds that were really

37:50

sort of on the nose like obvious 80

37:52

sounds and things. So I actually started off

37:54

as the sword music I don't like with

37:57

people out of gang. I'm going to write.

37:59

a retro album i'm going to write like

38:01

i was saying about that film the void

38:03

which i find a bit on the no

38:05

they find a bit like consciously trying to

38:07

be that sort of cool weird film that

38:09

was the actual that was the starting point

38:11

the model sign up and i was like

38:13

i'm gonna actually try what i might think

38:15

is quite a shit album i hear shit

38:18

idea but like anything like you get into

38:20

it and actually you put it into it

38:22

and I didn't listen to it for a

38:24

long time I went back to it a

38:26

while again like oh yeah this is quite

38:28

good the good thing about having written music

38:30

point 10 years as he used, but you

38:32

forget. You forget the experience of writing the

38:34

music, so you can actually go back and

38:36

go, this is quite a bit bad. So

38:38

yeah, but also there's a guy and I

38:41

forget his name, but just some completely random

38:43

guy out there. He sent me a video

38:45

of him dancing, I think it's in Russia

38:47

somewhere, in the streets, to Molosam, and then

38:49

he sent me another video of him dancing

38:51

to body party party, one of the body

38:53

party tracks, the sort of like EBI, all

38:55

the achievements. It's some random guy deciding he's

38:57

gonna make a dance video to one of

38:59

my tracks out like in public. That's one

39:01

of the proudest moments I think for me.

39:04

It's really odd but I really I don't

39:06

know I make this makes it all proud

39:08

in a weird way. So where does Paladin

39:10

come from? Molosam body party are very distinct

39:12

separate projects where it was it was a

39:14

one-off and I was doing a specific thing.

39:16

Paladin became the name that I wanted to

39:18

use for like all of like... me as

39:20

we were doing music when it comes out

39:22

of me naturally. It's something more of the

39:25

name for a person than like moral power

39:27

which sounds more of a subject and what

39:29

are the classes in Dungeons of Dragons and

39:31

other games that I've copied it, it's the

39:33

part I've done, which is a kind of

39:35

night. I'd started reading the King Arthur stories

39:37

at some point around this time and got

39:39

rid of them. So yeah, I just, it

39:41

seemed like a good name that fitted with

39:43

like things that I was thinking about, things

39:45

that I was thinking about, things that I

39:48

was thinking about, things that I was thinking

39:50

about, things that were important to me. What

39:52

is, you've got, actually, I can tie in

39:54

Matta. the matter of Britain which is basically

39:56

looking after stories and he also had things

39:58

like I don't know if this is really

40:00

used but you could say the matter of

40:02

Rome the matter of Greece so like the

40:04

Greek and Roman myths you also have the

40:06

matter of front which actually, really should get

40:08

around to actually reading some of this, but

40:11

King Arthur's obviously mainly mythical, but there's a

40:13

French king. If anyone knows the thing about

40:15

this, probably talking my ass here, but as

40:17

I said, I hadn't actually read into this

40:19

yet, but Charlemagne, he's like, not the French

40:21

equivalent of King Arthur, but something like that.

40:23

But yeah, the math of France, like the

40:25

body of French myth, is to do with

40:27

Charlemagne, and his knights, are called the Paladins.

40:29

Indeed, I'm not a massive video game person,

40:32

video game person, whatever. You can tell I'm

40:34

not a massive video game person because I

40:36

always say computer game. You know, like it's

40:38

like, you're on a corridor, 64 or whatever.

40:40

Yeah. Yeah, so getting into the damage of

40:42

driving, you realize how much it's influenced video

40:44

games. Just like, the concept of having a

40:46

bar for like how much health thing I've

40:48

left, that comes from D and D and

40:50

D. But yeah, a part of this is

40:52

basically like a like a like a like

40:55

a like a like a like a like

40:57

a like a like a like a like

40:59

a like a like a like a like

41:01

a spiritual night, like a spiritual night. and

41:03

I had one of those sort of cosmic

41:05

moments like you do when you up a

41:07

certain age and started trying to like, oh,

41:09

what do I believe? What am I into?

41:11

Yeah, it's weird because in British schools we're

41:13

not really taught about what is our body

41:15

of myth at all, just the king art

41:18

story. So I got really into them and

41:20

yeah, all sort of the values and things

41:22

that have like, it sort of aligns with

41:24

that whole sort of nightly thing, to an

41:26

extent. I know I'm not like into like

41:28

the feudal system of government with me rapidly.

41:30

I am scourber from night and 81 like

41:32

that's like one of my favorite films I

41:34

cannot watch that wrong without crying but even

41:36

the things like I realize like even like

41:39

when I was into transformers that was one

41:41

of my first contacts with the idea of

41:43

like because the transformers that kind of like

41:45

nights. I'm not one of the people who's

41:47

into transformers now but like I just like.

41:49

like that and also like sedidimus from laboring

41:51

that idea of like I've got some ideals

41:53

and I'm going to do my best to

41:55

like live up from action that way and

41:57

then like more recent things like like when

41:59

Sean Bean dies in every film and when

42:02

Sean Bean dies in Laura Ring like I

42:04

can't deal with that it's so good and

42:06

yeah so I just I picked it as

42:08

a name because it felt like it actually

42:10

meant something like probably in the sounds like

42:12

a person and then yes slowly I think

42:14

I did that game of Thrones remix almost

42:16

as like a not a joke but like

42:18

as a bit of front and then it's

42:20

like around a minute maybe on something and

42:22

maybe I can sort of make up this

42:25

genre that it doesn't actually see it's medieval

42:27

scent or whatever and then eventually I'm gonna

42:29

call it wizard this good and yeah and

42:31

it sort of became a kind of a

42:33

kind of a kind of a thing if

42:35

you listen it's my first album. You can

42:37

still hear in the last track, which is

42:39

like a 20-minute side-long track, where it goes

42:41

some like Tandering Dream or Berlin School, as

42:43

they call it, start, sort of Spacey-synth music,

42:45

and then the last series that will go

42:48

into this sort of like jaunty sort of,

42:50

influenced by folk museums, by Prague. Yeah, it

42:52

sort of goes off in this other direction,

42:54

so that's the point where you can almost

42:56

in the length of that piece you can

42:58

hear me get the idea for. doing this

43:00

sort of, yeah, as I say, wizard disco.

43:02

Me taking the piss out of myself is

43:04

calling it a wizard disco, but what it

43:06

actually is, is in me going, how can

43:09

they combine my, you know, I love symphysics,

43:11

I love folk music, I love frog rock,

43:13

how can I sort of combine with these

43:15

things? And that's, yeah. Was it disco is

43:17

what came out of it. Well, now that

43:19

we got that settled, let's move on to

43:21

cosmic angst, because I want to a track

43:23

you first put out is like a 20

43:25

minute long song called Mythim and I listened

43:27

to it and I was like oh you

43:29

know my favorite part is I think it

43:32

was like 11 minutes onwards of you know

43:34

like this 20 minute track and then it

43:36

turned out that you did later segment that

43:38

portion of the song and put it out

43:40

on a different album as Mythim 3 and

43:42

that is what we're gonna listen to now

43:44

so this is Mythim 3 by Cosmic angst

48:43

All right, and that was Mythium 3, by

48:46

Cosmic Angst, which is of course Chris, who

48:48

I'm speaking with right now. And so we've

48:50

talked about the Wizard Disco stuff, so now

48:52

we can have a little twinge of Cosmic

48:55

Angst here. So where, first of all, where

48:57

does this name come from? So when I

48:59

started writing music myself, this is, yeah, around

49:01

20 terms of time. I was in this

49:04

sort of London. underground electronic music scene and

49:06

I was DJing I was in a couple

49:08

of bands and then I started doing my

49:10

own stuff and I had this big thing

49:13

I've just played a lot again last month

49:15

for the first time and it was completely

49:17

different to going about 10 years or so

49:19

when I was like no everything must be

49:22

done live I must not have a backing

49:24

track and which is really difficult but yeah

49:26

so it was all like Tricking off things

49:28

and looping things and all that, but I

49:31

started with a sample from Doctor Who? Okay,

49:33

so this is the Five Doctors clip of

49:35

Peter Davidson. Oh, yes, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. He

49:37

was like, uh, why are a twinger of

49:40

cosmic angst? As though I'd lost something. Yeah,

49:42

yeah, yeah. It's just, again, just one of

49:44

these... It's one of those sort of phrase

49:47

you, you hear that you sort of like.

49:49

Are you all right? Just a as if

49:51

I'd lost something. I'm not really into like

49:53

nerd culture or whatever I don't like sequels

49:56

I don't like doing things a retro for

49:58

the sake of it but yeah obviously like

50:00

you know I'm still a human being alive

50:02

in the 20th and 21st century so yeah

50:05

I was I was a doctor I was

50:07

a doctor who found the thing of doctor

50:09

who found the thing of doctor here is

50:11

it so he went off the air in

50:14

like 89 I was seven I think so

50:16

for ages I was like the younger I

50:18

was one of the youngest people you could

50:20

meet who still remember it being on the

50:23

first time as a child because yeah really

50:25

your first experience doctor he should be as

50:27

a child I don't mind and so forth

50:29

and then like as I say I go

50:32

on about not letting people to talk about

50:34

saying like oh the 80s or the 70s

50:36

or whatever and they're like I try for

50:38

his own sake but nostalgia was a really

50:41

interesting thing to me and yeah I was

50:43

convinced that doctor who was was that this

50:45

sort of this weird cult program is a

50:47

cult program by that I mean like the

50:50

stuff like I don't know like something like

50:52

black servant or like something like all these

50:54

other like there's a load like 70s 80s

50:56

weird British one-off programs and things which we

50:59

generally have like sunk away into they've almost

51:01

been forgotten and when you discover them you

51:03

do for like oh my god this is

51:06

gem I've discovered from the past. Doctors who's

51:08

not that but because it was off it

51:10

will say yeah it wasn't on in the

51:12

90s an entire generation of people who just

51:15

don't have They don't have their own doctor,

51:17

they've got no collection to doctor who, you

51:19

know, interrupted, came back in like two dozen

51:21

files. But I was convinced that it was

51:24

this really weird special program that I'd... I

51:26

don't understand television now. I want recent ones,

51:28

but... No, see, because my issue is... Like

51:30

I'm a huge classic Doctor Who fan, I

51:33

always have been. I'm born in 81, but

51:35

we sort of got the British TV on

51:37

our public station slightly later. So I didn't

51:39

even know Doctor who had been canceled until

51:42

like maybe 1992 or something. At Tuesday, yeah,

51:44

when the episodes went out. Yeah, yeah, because

51:46

they stopped showing. I remember I called in

51:48

to my public TV station as a kid.

51:51

and said why you take like not to

51:53

make a donation but to you know they

51:55

do like these pledge drives on public TV

51:57

and you know because they're not funded by

52:00

commercials and you can phone and pledge and

52:02

I just called as a kid I'm just

52:04

like where's doctor who like and of course

52:06

the person answering the phone is a volunteer

52:09

so they don't know anything and I learned

52:11

to use the VCR to tape Peter Davison's

52:13

final story which is still like my favorite

52:16

episode of all time and it's yeah like

52:18

I am at the moment really slow because

52:20

I came back through all of them they

52:22

just because it was whatever and of it

52:25

was it all the anniversary yeah yeah yeah

52:27

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so now on

52:29

the BBC's like I play it all of

52:31

them so I'm sort of with lunch you

52:34

know I like you know I like you

52:36

know I watch an episode and episode and

52:38

I'm going backwards I'm going to the Colin

52:40

Baker era which is really painful again I'm

52:43

looking forward to getting to getting to the

52:45

better ones I don't at the doctor having

52:47

this sort of bigger darker past. I would

52:49

draw it like the rest of the record.

52:52

I think the thing is really good. But

52:54

then trying to actually tie things together too

52:56

much is really because at the end of

52:58

the day, it's not a big massive work.

53:01

You know, written by one guy, it's a

53:03

television series. It's had loads of different, you

53:05

know, riots. Yeah. Well, it's sort of, it's

53:07

something I struggle with. It's like when you

53:10

have a franchise that large, it's that large.

53:12

Sometimes it almost feels like. When a new

53:14

writer pops in, they almost shouldn't be allowed

53:16

to tamper too much with the mythology. Like

53:19

in the modern series, they've definitely done a

53:21

bunch of that, where they've retconned a bunch

53:23

of things into the past. And what bothers

53:25

me with the new series is, number one,

53:28

the stories don't ever make sense. Which is

53:30

a big problem for me like I don't

53:32

like when the ending of an episode just

53:35

does not tie together anywhere like I get

53:37

the impression that the producer producer now brought

53:39

it back before Russell Davies like he yeah,

53:41

he's an ideas man, but he is not

53:44

an ending stories man Absolutely, he's even said

53:46

that he's even said that he's even like

53:48

I remember like watching what it first came

53:50

back. I was watching some like documentaries at

53:53

the making of the weather. Yeah, this is

53:55

where he just jumping through hoops hoops to

53:57

happen to So I'm just pushing it through

53:59

to get like, I don't know. But he

54:02

is such an ego of that dude, because

54:04

like whenever you watch the behind the scenes.

54:06

He's always, he thinks everything he writes is

54:08

brilliant. Because he always says that word. And

54:11

he's always just like, so we've got this

54:13

new alien, it's brilliant. He's like, he's like

54:15

a big balloon and he comes from this

54:17

other plant, it's brilliant. And you've never seen

54:20

the doctor fight, a Teddy bear before, it's

54:22

a Teddy bear before, it's absolutely brilliant. It's

54:24

a Teddy bear before, he's a Teddy bear

54:26

before, he's a Teddy bear before, he has

54:29

come to fight, a Teddy bear before, he

54:31

has come to, a Teddy bear, a Teddy

54:33

bear, he has come to, he's come to,

54:35

he's come. the stakes and in modern TV

54:38

you can't just end the season as a

54:40

normal just solid story like no it has

54:42

to be you know the craziest story yet

54:44

and like the more nonsensical the problem then

54:47

the more nonsensical the solution has to be

54:49

the problem the problem with it is every

54:51

episode has to be epic particularly end of

54:54

the series episode has to be like how

54:56

many times has the world ended or at

54:58

least a big friend. Yeah. The small scale

55:00

thing. That's what's record interesting. It's like the

55:03

doctor, like, you know, where's he going to

55:05

turn up? What sort of small effect is

55:07

he going to have on like this weird

55:09

story it comes past it? So yeah, small

55:12

scale, small scale, small scale. But like these

55:14

days, I mean, I'm really trying hard, not

55:16

sound like an old man, but at the

55:18

moment, everything, you know, it seems to be

55:21

like, oh, it's cool, as epic as epic

55:23

as epic as epic as epic as epic

55:25

as epic as epic as epic as epic

55:27

as epic as a huge style of comedy.

55:30

I haven't got like well on loads of

55:32

like yogurt pots or whatever, you know. My

55:34

issue is it robs any sort of drama

55:36

from the scene. because then the ending always

55:39

has to be a nonsense. Like this is

55:41

the biggest one that I have a huge

55:43

problem with. Ever since the show came back,

55:45

even the first series, there was like that

55:48

bad wolf story arc. Yeah. The issue I

55:50

had with it. It's sort of in the

55:52

same way that when the Star Wars movies

55:54

did that thing where they did the light

55:57

speed through the ship and used it to

55:59

light speed and destroyed something, which sort of

56:01

broke the logic of Star Wars because then

56:04

it's like, wait a second, if you can

56:06

do that. Then why aren't people doing this

56:08

all the time? Like you run out of

56:10

rockets and you just use your little tiny

56:13

ship light speed and destroy giant ships, like

56:15

as a last resort? In the bad wolf

56:17

season of Doctor Who, the solution is that

56:19

they crack open the Tartus and then the

56:22

time vortex energy, whatever that means, goes into

56:24

Rose's head, who then has the ability to

56:26

vaporize an entire army, turn one of their

56:28

friends immortal, and then that's it. And it's

56:31

sort of like, and then the doctor sucks

56:33

it out, and they never really talk about

56:35

it about it again. except for a line

56:37

of dialogue that the doctor's like, well, you

56:40

know, you'd get too much power, you'd become

56:42

a god or whatever, and that's why we

56:44

don't do that or whatever. I feel like

56:46

it was fine, like, I mean, what I

56:49

like about that first series, by today's standards,

56:51

it looks kind of cheap. At the time,

56:53

we were like, oh, these special offenses seem

56:55

really new, but like, now, like, he looks

56:58

kind of crap, like, Doctor, he should do.

57:00

The whole bad things seem like, like, like,

57:02

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

57:04

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

57:07

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

57:09

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

57:11

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

57:13

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

57:16

like, like, and it was okay. I suppose

57:18

because it was the first time you'd see

57:20

anything, we epic. Well, I think once, don't

57:23

do every bloody series. No, the emotion, see,

57:25

that's the thing, right? Every, these writers are

57:27

all good at something. And Russell, he is

57:29

good at eliciting an emotional ending. It just

57:32

falls apart when you think about it, because

57:34

I'm sitting there thinking as a nerd who

57:36

has the whole history of the show in

57:38

my brain, going, well, why wouldn't they use

57:41

this to solve this to solve the time

57:43

war? You're having a giant war with the

57:45

Daleks and one of you could just crack

57:47

open your Tartus, become a god for a

57:50

minute, and end everything. This whole time we'll

57:52

sing was like, it was basically done going,

57:54

okay, so we. we need a reason so

57:56

that long-term fans are not going to ask

57:59

us about all the things that came before.

58:01

So we're just going to say there's time.

58:03

Yes. No, you're absolutely right. And like what

58:05

they should have done is just said, hey,

58:08

there was a time war and then we

58:10

never talk about it, you know, but instead

58:12

they basically made it like the whole backbone

58:14

of the new series. And so every time

58:17

there's a huge revelation, it's usually time war

58:19

related. And then the more details you have,

58:21

like all modern Doctor Who, then the less

58:23

it makes sense. This is a good doctor.

58:26

It's not, it's not built to, I don't

58:28

even know if something that Star Trek Star

58:30

Trek Star Trek is, but. Don't do is

58:33

not built to like withstand this much analysis

58:35

is not you know I actually liked it

58:37

when Stephen Moffat took over and Matt Smith

58:39

came in it came more like a fantasy

58:42

thing that seemed more appropriate to it because

58:44

he can't it's about time travel it's not

58:46

gonna it doesn't it breaks apart on the

58:48

scrutiny you know yeah and doctor who is

58:51

not hard sci-fi like it is pulp science

58:53

fiction serialized you know adventure show it's not

58:55

like the movie Primer or whatever, but like

58:57

when I talk about things not making sense,

59:00

I just mean within the rules that the

59:02

show has established, you know, which is a

59:04

tough thing when you have a show that's

59:06

run for like 50 years because you can

59:09

write a clever story and then not even

59:11

realize that actually this breaks the logic of,

59:13

you know, some Doctor Who story that came

59:15

out in like 1968 or something, but I

59:18

do feel that The new show is a

59:20

little too careless with just kind of throwing

59:22

too much random stuff at the screen. Yeah,

59:24

no, totally. Which is a, I don't know

59:27

if it's a problem more now than before

59:29

when you've got like instant access to all

59:31

the information you want to want. Yeah. I

59:33

can't remember where it was before we started

59:36

or not, but we were saying about how

59:38

things used to be when like you didn't

59:40

have like, you can look everything up on

59:42

Wikipedia or what? have the ability to just

59:45

do everything before you realize you don't want

59:47

to do everything. You know, once you've got

59:49

the power to like to make whatever, you

59:52

can have a hundred tracks in your computer

59:54

and your computer when you're writing music, then

59:56

you're like, actually I don't want to. I

59:58

want to go, I want to like, where

1:00:01

there is a virtual, whether it's actual sense

1:00:03

I have here, I want to pretend that

1:00:05

I've got one drum machine, one cent, what

1:00:07

can I do with that, you know, as

1:00:10

a creator choice, and you've got to like,

1:00:12

have these horrible CGI FEST fantasy films before

1:00:14

you go, actually, that looks shit, that's like,

1:00:16

I can use as a creative choice, and

1:00:19

you've got to like, have these horrible CGI

1:00:21

fest fantasy films, I don't know, I haven't

1:00:23

know, I haven't know, or something like, or

1:00:25

something like, or something like, or something like,

1:00:28

or something like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:00:30

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:00:32

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:00:34

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:00:37

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:00:39

like, like, like, like in it and I

1:00:41

was like nah ass yeah that was not

1:00:43

great you know what no it's not for

1:00:46

us doctor who is it's a kid show

1:00:48

and although saying that is funny because my

1:00:50

favorite episode that I tape when I was

1:00:52

six is a story about gun-running drug dealers

1:00:55

with with this political intrigue of this wealthy

1:00:57

businessman who basically can tell the president to

1:00:59

do whatever he wants because he's rich and

1:01:01

he's actually secretly running the the drugs, then

1:01:04

there's this like terrorist guy who wears a

1:01:06

gimp costume. because he was he was burned.

1:01:08

Yeah, seemingly to death in a fucking baking

1:01:11

chamber. That's the exception that proves a war.

1:01:13

Yeah, like, and as a kid, I fucking

1:01:15

love that one. And then like when I

1:01:17

when I really think about him, I'm like,

1:01:20

and his whole story arc is he wants

1:01:22

the doctor's companion to like have a sexual

1:01:24

relationship with, like that's the plot. It's way

1:01:26

of a thing about it. Yeah, but I

1:01:29

mean, yeah, there was the old one. I

1:01:31

like I love that story because it's self-contained.

1:01:33

But the danger is real. It's like even

1:01:35

though it's small scale. the doctor you know

1:01:38

gets poisoned right at the start of the

1:01:40

episode and his whole plot the whole time

1:01:42

is just we just got to get out

1:01:44

of here we just got to get the

1:01:47

antidote and leave and they can't because they're

1:01:49

stuck in this fucking you know conspiracy thing

1:01:51

and it's so the scale of it even

1:01:53

though it feels the most serious thing even

1:01:56

though it feels the most serious it's really

1:01:58

just it's it's awesome yeah I think the

1:02:00

thing with it is is it is the

1:02:02

sort of setup where you can tell any

1:02:05

story I suppose that's that's why it is

1:02:07

still going that way yeah so it's a

1:02:09

solved up to fixed up to who it

1:02:11

used to be always small scale you

1:02:14

can have like a character-based arcs and

1:02:16

things but don't try and like join

1:02:18

it don't figure out where the hell

1:02:20

the Daleks are this week you know

1:02:22

don't try and journey all out and

1:02:24

its proper synth score oh yeah because

1:02:26

it's become very bombasticastic and almost You

1:02:29

know that type of music where

1:02:31

it's like, this is a funny

1:02:33

scene, this is a quirky scene.

1:02:35

Classic Doctor Who, that show isn't

1:02:38

quirky on purpose. It's just a

1:02:40

weird fucking show because of the

1:02:42

production, because it's odd, especially as

1:02:44

a North American viewer, to see

1:02:46

a show where like, the interiors

1:02:48

are shot on video, but the

1:02:50

exteriors are shot on 16mm. Every

1:02:52

time they go outside and the

1:02:54

dog tour, it's like, that looks

1:02:56

really good. Yeah. And they go

1:02:58

back inside and it's all right.

1:03:00

Yeah, they go back inside and

1:03:02

it looks like a soap opera.

1:03:04

Like there's so many aspects of

1:03:06

the show that are organically strange.

1:03:08

You're right that has always just brought

1:03:10

to me like the music is a huge

1:03:12

art doctor who and it's no it hasn't

1:03:14

I mean it probably is electronic yeah the

1:03:16

collie got electronic elements in it but not that

1:03:18

you know like you know surfing the doctor

1:03:20

who's thing that is a pioneering piece

1:03:22

of electronic music. Yes. Both the original, sort

1:03:25

of, 60s version and in the 80s when

1:03:27

they read it. Well, the 80s is my

1:03:29

favorite. I love the 80s version. Isn't it

1:03:31

written on the, I think it's written on

1:03:34

the Yamaha CS80? And it does things. It

1:03:36

seems like I've got no idea how they

1:03:38

achieve that effect. So it's good. There's a

1:03:40

there's a video on YouTube where it shows

1:03:43

the guy kind of going through it's like

1:03:45

six minutes because my favorite part of the

1:03:47

80s version has always been the the rolling

1:03:50

baseline because it kind of goes like it's

1:03:52

so fucking cool and even the score

1:03:54

music of like the early 80s episodes

1:03:56

have kind of a tangering dream vibe

1:03:58

to them like particularly Tom Baker's last

1:04:00

season has some great music. I

1:04:02

don't know if they were using

1:04:05

the same scents for everything though.

1:04:07

I think I had like a

1:04:09

software version of, I think it

1:04:11

was, is it of the DX7

1:04:13

or the PVG? He's very digital

1:04:15

sounding, sort of crystalline sounding, 80

1:04:17

cents, and programming and analog sense

1:04:19

is a very natural thing, like

1:04:21

you understand what you're doing, sort

1:04:23

of intuitively, whereas digital scents, you

1:04:25

like, I don't really be able

1:04:27

to be able to create like...

1:04:29

Nice sounds and scratch, but what

1:04:31

I found you could do is

1:04:33

make 80s Doctor Who special effects.

1:04:35

Yeah, yeah, there's a, there's the,

1:04:37

have you seen the, John Pottery

1:04:39

episode, The Sea Devils. Oh that

1:04:41

one's nonsense! The one with the

1:04:43

fucking digital like Fart noises almost?

1:04:45

Yeah, the 70s one. I think

1:04:47

it's their first episode they were

1:04:49

in. Yeah, that's like, I mean

1:04:51

I studied electroacoustic experimental arts, electronic

1:04:53

arts music, university. And seriously, like

1:04:55

the soundtrack to Doctor Who, I

1:04:57

think it might be one of

1:05:00

those ones that's called Doctor Who

1:05:02

and the Sea Devils. But like,

1:05:04

that is like the most experimental

1:05:06

music. that has been on, certainly

1:05:08

at that point, had been on

1:05:10

television, perhaps even now. I mean

1:05:12

I wouldn't say it's good but

1:05:14

it definitely is like it is

1:05:16

experimental like it's sometimes it's very

1:05:18

distracting because then like a sea

1:05:20

devil shows up in the music

1:05:22

it's like just like it's just

1:05:24

like these weird noises where you're

1:05:26

just like wow that is bizarre.

1:05:28

Well you can see now how

1:05:30

like I mean that was on

1:05:32

like you know yes it was

1:05:34

weird but like and yes you

1:05:36

know if we were to beam

1:05:38

ourselves back to 1970 whatever. it

1:05:40

would seem very quaint that the

1:05:42

television that it was broadcast on

1:05:44

and that the things everyone's wearing

1:05:46

in that living room where they're

1:05:48

watching it. But that was the

1:05:50

equivalent of what it is now.

1:05:52

It was not a obscure... experimental

1:05:54

art series. It was the biggest

1:05:57

thing on the BBC like it

1:05:59

or one of the biggest things

1:06:01

like it is now. Go mad

1:06:03

to like talking about. using nostalgia,

1:06:05

being where a trade of things,

1:06:07

like that's the sort of thing

1:06:09

about nostalgia and looking back over

1:06:11

time, that's what's really just mean

1:06:13

because you know, I don't try

1:06:15

to say now, I've, I've, no,

1:06:17

I sort of get where you're

1:06:19

going is because we want to

1:06:21

distance ourselves from what's popular now,

1:06:23

because like, well, that's what's popular,

1:06:25

that's the mainstream thing, where a

1:06:27

that time. Because I really try

1:06:29

hard not to do slack things

1:06:31

off because they're new when I'm

1:06:33

in my 40s now and yeah,

1:06:35

like I don't mind what I

1:06:37

do Doctor Who. The thing with

1:06:39

The Doctor as a character. Oh

1:06:41

no, I actually I like calling

1:06:43

him Doctor Who because that's not

1:06:45

what he's called and all these

1:06:47

people, but the thing that Doctor

1:06:49

Who, he's he's one of those

1:06:51

essential characters I think. Like in

1:06:54

a hundred years time. they'll know

1:06:56

who Dr. Who is, they'll know

1:06:58

who Sherlock Holmes is, they'll know

1:07:00

who King Arles is. They represent

1:07:02

something that transcends like stylistic things,

1:07:04

like it doesn't matter whether they're

1:07:06

in a musical episode or whatever,

1:07:08

like they're an essential character and

1:07:10

who means something and they stand

1:07:12

for something and you can put

1:07:14

them in any situation and tell

1:07:16

a look at a good story.

1:07:18

So when it came back that

1:07:20

I was, you know, I remember

1:07:22

thinking, yeah, Dr. Who is, you

1:07:24

know, you know, it's important. mystical

1:07:26

sort of characters. So yeah, so

1:07:28

yeah, so myth, obviously, is something

1:07:30

I'm reading to and I'm trying

1:07:32

to tie these things back to

1:07:34

the musical playing. But how about

1:07:36

this? How about we listen to

1:07:38

Ulrich's theme? By go for it.

1:07:40

You say Ulrich or do you

1:07:42

go Ulrich? I say Ulrich, but

1:07:44

I have somebody else coming who

1:07:46

was pronounced. Yeah, I mean, it's

1:07:49

the German there or not. German,

1:07:51

I'm obviously saying it, right? But

1:07:53

anyway, this is a cool song,

1:07:55

this is an Ulrich's theme, this

1:07:57

is Ulrich's. Oh, Oh,

1:12:43

All right, and that was Ulrich's theme. That's

1:12:45

Paladin, right? Yes, that is Paladin. So by

1:12:47

that point, I'd really figure it out. what

1:12:50

I was doing with the whole... God I

1:12:52

haven't... I've not said wizard disco out loud

1:12:54

so many times, I'm now thinking in-card, why

1:12:56

did I call that? But yeah, that's sort

1:12:59

of, you know, mythical thing. Oh, Dungeons then,

1:13:01

I suppose I didn't call it. That was

1:13:03

actually, that was the theme tune to a

1:13:06

Dungeons of Dragons game that I was, I

1:13:08

was part of at the time. And like

1:13:10

somebody like, like, brought food, like, made like,

1:13:12

like, an intro video like... character, which is

1:13:15

a flawed idea because being a knight is

1:13:17

actually a terrible thing, particularly because my Dungeons

1:13:19

and Dragons character, who of course was a

1:13:22

parliament. Yeah, it's sort of, it's meant to

1:13:24

like, if a piece of instrumental music can

1:13:26

be about anything, it's about the idea of

1:13:28

the heroic sort of your typical knight sort

1:13:31

of character, which is a flawed idea because

1:13:33

like being a knight is actually a terrible

1:13:35

thing. But yeah, so I, yeah, dungeon since.

1:13:38

I was aware of dungeon since I used

1:13:40

to live with a guy, he was reared

1:13:42

to black metal, and I think, again, people

1:13:44

who know more about this will probably correct

1:13:47

me, but I think this is guy called

1:13:49

Mortis. He was in some black metal band.

1:13:51

Anyway, but he started doing like keyboard music.

1:13:54

Black metal is like Norwegian. stream sort of

1:13:56

metal that you listen to and you say

1:13:58

god this is really like some extreme stuff

1:14:00

and go then you find out like because

1:14:03

I'm bersam is the word for darkness from

1:14:05

the law of the rings the black speech

1:14:07

that's written on the ring right so it's

1:14:10

actually super nerdy guys so I like I'm

1:14:12

the worst metal fan ever, but I was

1:14:14

kind of aware of this from the black

1:14:16

metal scene, from the sort of instrumental synced

1:14:19

interludes I have. Dude! I was just going

1:14:21

to say, when it comes to this type

1:14:23

of music, I will admit it's not my

1:14:26

scene, and sometimes people, you know, over the

1:14:28

years would be like, oh, but you dig

1:14:30

this, like the intros cool. Yes, I would

1:14:32

always like the intros, so I never knew.

1:14:35

really loud and aggressive and then I'm no

1:14:37

longer there anymore because I'm a fan of

1:14:39

melody you know I like a tune I

1:14:42

can hum when the thing's over at the

1:14:44

minute I'm trying to get into more metal

1:14:46

and a lot of the time like the

1:14:48

monies are really cool and like we epic

1:14:51

and my housing and everything but yeah then

1:14:53

you have this guy's looking at yeah it's

1:14:55

still part of it yeah so I was

1:14:58

aware that there was this thing called Dungeons

1:15:00

and and I was aware that it'd become

1:15:02

kind of a scene beyond just this one.

1:15:04

I mean I'm really completely wrong I think

1:15:07

this guy Mortis and other examples like the

1:15:09

synth bits on the first amount I think

1:15:11

that's the beginning of it. Yeah I was

1:15:14

aware it existed and it became more of

1:15:16

a scene and it was kind of like

1:15:18

it became it was influenced by computer game

1:15:20

music as well fancy music. Oh yes that's

1:15:23

sort of like ambient dark ambient fantasy music

1:15:25

but I kept thinking God I wish because

1:15:27

Dungeon that's in is a way better name

1:15:30

than wizard disco. You know, but wizard disco

1:15:32

is good. Like I understand that it's sort

1:15:34

of sillier, but I've heard people use the

1:15:36

term dungeon synth before, but often that when

1:15:39

I listen to that kind of stuff, it

1:15:41

would be more kind of droning since kind

1:15:43

of dark. Yeah. It's good. We seem to

1:15:46

play in the background to be playing Dungeons

1:15:48

and Dragon. Yeah. It's partly inspired by the

1:15:50

metal symbols. It seems like like a video.

1:15:52

I think, God, I wish I'd come out

1:15:55

with that name. And regardless of what the

1:15:57

genre is meant to be, I'm just saying,

1:15:59

you know, the turn does total match what

1:16:02

I was doing. So by the time I

1:16:04

read at Quest, which is the second, was

1:16:06

it just going out on the second, I

1:16:08

didn't know. So basically I finished it and

1:16:11

I stuck it up on band cap and

1:16:13

I was like, I don't care. I sold

1:16:15

loads and loads of copies, I had like

1:16:18

a tape, because I recorded my tapes at

1:16:20

home, or at least I did it at

1:16:22

the time, I tagged the Ataladisco as well,

1:16:24

which is something I talked about, but a

1:16:27

tower at a studio is a huge influence

1:16:29

on what I do as well. But yeah,

1:16:31

I just tagged it as a dungeon scene,

1:16:34

sort of cheekily, and then like sold, like,

1:16:36

in a very small way, it sort of

1:16:38

blew it, I had like rat a tape,

1:16:40

because I recorded my tapes at home, at

1:16:43

least I at least I at home, at

1:16:45

least I did at the time, at the

1:16:47

time, at the time, at least I did

1:16:50

at the time, at the time, at the

1:16:52

time, at least I did at the time,

1:16:54

at the time, at the time, at the

1:16:56

time, at least I did at the time,

1:16:59

at the time, at the time, at least

1:17:01

I did at the time, at the time,

1:17:03

at the time, at least I did at

1:17:05

the time, at the time, at the all

1:17:08

the more tapes in, I didn't like buy

1:17:10

a house out of it or anything, but

1:17:12

like, you know, in my small way, it

1:17:15

sort of blew up. And then, and then

1:17:17

I sort of looked into it. And Johnson's

1:17:19

then, that actually now means like pretty much

1:17:21

any sort of... fantasy, mythical, whatever you want

1:17:24

to call it, it's in music. And yeah,

1:17:26

and I played live in November, first time

1:17:28

in over 10 years, at a dungeon since

1:17:31

night, which was great. And I actually met

1:17:33

people who, in person, who were like a

1:17:35

lot of music, which was weird and flowering

1:17:37

and everything. So yeah, so Quest, which is

1:17:40

second. right now then. I sort of collected

1:17:42

it from different ideas doing that. Like every

1:17:44

now, in lockdown, I was, well, let's just

1:17:47

get some of this music finished. As weird

1:17:49

as it might be, as disparate as it

1:17:51

might be. So not all the stuff on

1:17:53

there is really sort of medial sound, but

1:17:56

old extreme is like, it's one of the

1:17:58

best things I've ran. I think it really

1:18:00

sort of crystallizes an idea. It's kind of

1:18:03

influenced by, I don't know if you, you

1:18:05

seem to know a bit about the British

1:18:07

clothes, never heard of something about something called

1:18:09

nightmare. Night spelt with a with a K

1:18:12

like night was that I don't think I've

1:18:14

ever watched it was that like a live

1:18:16

like a game show for kids where they

1:18:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, one of them went

1:18:21

into a blue screen studio with a helmet

1:18:23

on so they can see they were going

1:18:25

and then his mates were like sitting there

1:18:28

directing him like he was a video What

1:18:30

the hell is the Cali Cosmic Cabin? Don

1:18:32

was just my flat. I think this is

1:18:35

probably true of a lot of like credits

1:18:37

on albums like yeah all the exotic places

1:18:39

that they recorded. It's just like where they

1:18:41

were living. It's like when I make a

1:18:44

little short film and catering by Andy Corporation

1:18:46

or whatever and that's just it. The Cali

1:18:48

Cosmic Carbon yeah it was just flat on

1:18:51

Caledonian Roads in London. It's up the road

1:18:53

from King's Cross. Yeah so the Caledonian Road

1:18:55

is called the Cali. So when it's so

1:18:57

if you look at stuff and write and

1:19:00

now it's recorded like quintessence and that's like

1:19:02

the room that I'm in right now, I

1:19:04

actually I have a bigger house now so

1:19:07

I can call it's my studio but I'm

1:19:09

not just in like the living room. But

1:19:11

yeah it's called quintessence because we're number five

1:19:13

on this road and five like the fifth

1:19:16

element. is, oh I get it, the quintosons

1:19:18

and transformers, the five-faced... God, I didn't even

1:19:20

met that connection, but yeah, that's my secret,

1:19:23

yeah, yeah, yeah. But the, but the quintessence

1:19:25

is, it's one of the names for like,

1:19:27

the Easter, like, the magical elements, but let's

1:19:29

not go down that. I'd rather help. Hey,

1:19:32

you can do whatever you want. I feel

1:19:34

bad because I don't get to talk about

1:19:36

Dr. Who very often, but I always bring

1:19:39

it up. And nobody ever bites. And so

1:19:41

whenever I find somebody who actually knows what

1:19:43

Dr. Who is, and all of a sudden

1:19:45

I keep talking, and I'm like, oh, I

1:19:48

have to edit it out later. Like, the

1:19:50

audience won't hear half of what I said.

1:19:52

Oh. Like my sort of, what else are

1:19:55

they sure? Yeah, I think you, same age

1:19:57

as me. Like, because it wasn't really on

1:19:59

in the 90s. Oh yeah, for sure, like

1:20:01

I see. I spent most of my childhood

1:20:04

accepting that no one even knew what it

1:20:06

was. Like not even that it was cheap

1:20:08

or weird or British, like they literally didn't

1:20:11

understand the reference. But then when I did

1:20:13

try and go to some Doctor Who meetups

1:20:15

in the city, I discovered that like I

1:20:17

just don't think Doctor Who fans are necessarily

1:20:20

my people, which you know, which is weird,

1:20:22

but... I remember there's the biggest, one of

1:20:24

the biggest sort of, I guess you say

1:20:27

like a nerd shop here. It's forbidden planet.

1:20:29

I used to work right in the center

1:20:31

of the central London. on my break, so

1:20:33

I go for a walk. I'm not one

1:20:36

of those people. I don't think of myself

1:20:38

as a nerd, but you know, I'll go

1:20:40

into Spidden Planet, I'll go and browse around,

1:20:43

you know, just go out killing 10 minutes

1:20:45

on your lunch break. And I remember going

1:20:47

into the Doctor Who sakesh, like I've got

1:20:49

quite a sort of like intellectual appreciation of

1:20:52

Doctor Whoa, and I was like, you know,

1:20:54

just looking through some book, and then like

1:20:56

I looked up and suddenly I was surrounded

1:20:59

by like... glasses. It was like, it was

1:21:01

like that. I was like, oh my god,

1:21:03

what am I doing? Who am I? Who

1:21:05

are these people? Why am I? Why are

1:21:08

they assessing? Yeah. The show definitely attracts a

1:21:10

certain type of person. There's a, you know,

1:21:12

an obsessiveness in those types of people who

1:21:15

sort of, you know, remember, very obscure details.

1:21:17

But I think that there's something about Dr.

1:21:19

Who? But maybe because it's been going for

1:21:21

so long and there was so much that

1:21:24

you can remember either about it that it

1:21:26

does so. And you can also, again, like

1:21:28

when a show changes so much, there are

1:21:31

just different ways to approach it. And so

1:21:33

I feel like I'm just completely disconnected from

1:21:35

modern Doctor Who fans because to them it's

1:21:37

just a different program they make these YouTube

1:21:40

super cuts of like the romantic moments of

1:21:42

the 12th doctor and to me I'm just

1:21:44

like what the fuck is this like I

1:21:47

remember when it came back and and like

1:21:49

I think I was it was the first

1:21:51

time online I was able to like you

1:21:53

know there were other doctor who fans around

1:21:56

and I remember like trying to fight and

1:21:58

trying some online and like it was just

1:22:00

people posting things like you know doctors in

1:22:03

sexy order, who's just, who's the sexiest doctor?

1:22:05

And it's like, what you're trying to say

1:22:07

is you fancy David Tenner. Like, you know,

1:22:09

we're fine, like, you can say that, like,

1:22:12

but you don't have to like mask it

1:22:14

in like a, doing a, like a top

1:22:16

ten or something. No one's been a bit

1:22:19

William Hartle or whatever, it's up, you know.

1:22:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've mentioned this on the

1:22:23

show before, we're different enough. We're Doctor Who

1:22:25

fans. We're already outsiders. We like a TV

1:22:28

show that not a lot of people know

1:22:30

about. This is, you know, pre the return

1:22:32

of the show. Because I remember, like, I

1:22:35

mean, you said you're on the BBC I

1:22:37

player and you're in the Colin Baker section.

1:22:39

So Colin Baker has widely understood to have

1:22:41

two of the worst Doctor Who stories of

1:22:44

all time. His first one time, or the

1:22:46

twin dilemma. and Timelash. Oh yeah, I think

1:22:48

I will show that one. And like, they're

1:22:51

not wrong, it's junk. Like, it's a stupid,

1:22:53

cheap-looking story, they're both cheap, and his performance

1:22:55

is just bizarre, especially in his first one,

1:22:57

like it's sort of, it's off-putting in a

1:23:00

way that's like, experimental, in a way that,

1:23:02

like, again, you gotta give them credit for,

1:23:04

like, what if we take our popular show

1:23:07

and make the lead character unlife without it?

1:23:09

and the doctor actually dies. Yes. And then

1:23:11

he comes back and you and Perry is

1:23:13

genuinely like, who the hell are you? Yes.

1:23:16

And he has this attitude and it's terrifying.

1:23:18

And it's great. Like his, I think the

1:23:20

best thing, I'll tell you when I finish

1:23:23

watching all the, call it maker's episodes, but

1:23:25

I think pretty much his best moment is

1:23:27

his first moment. He is amazing. Like, there's

1:23:29

one of the episodes. I think, I'm looking,

1:23:32

I think like, For some reason, the bickering

1:23:34

and his attitude, it really, really works. The

1:23:36

end of that episode is the game back

1:23:39

in the hardest, and I forget which historical

1:23:41

figure it is, but what are you doing

1:23:43

in there? What are you doing there? And

1:23:45

the doctor goes, argue mostly, and I literally

1:23:48

laughed out loud. It can work like having

1:23:50

this sort of not unlikely but like yeah

1:23:52

it can work and like I don't dislike

1:23:55

the Colin Baker years overall but it's unfortunate

1:23:57

that he only had like two seasons basically

1:23:59

you know seven stories and when two stories

1:24:01

are considered like the worst of all time

1:24:04

that's like a bad ratio like when you

1:24:06

only have seven stories total that's why it

1:24:08

frustrated me on the doctor who nerd forums

1:24:11

like when nerds would defend the bad stuff

1:24:13

like oh these shitty stories are are really

1:24:15

good actually like you just don't understand I'm

1:24:17

like no and everyone understands like it sucks

1:24:20

and I mean it sucks that it sucks

1:24:22

you know like I wish it didn't I

1:24:24

don't know I just find nerds coping to

1:24:27

be embarrassing like it's okay for the thing

1:24:29

you like to not be perfect I was

1:24:31

gonna like I was really conscious on because

1:24:33

I have a tendency I think to like

1:24:36

look down like people who are into a

1:24:38

thing like whether it's doctor or whether it's

1:24:40

you know sent music music and that was

1:24:42

good. Don't be an asshole, but you're, you're

1:24:45

being, what do you mean it about top

1:24:47

two depends on the... Well, it's just because

1:24:49

the reason why I enjoyed the synthwave scene

1:24:52

when I found it was because I feel

1:24:54

like I'm more of a general purpose kind

1:24:56

of person. And I think what I liked

1:24:58

about the synthwave scene is it's more focused

1:25:01

on an era than it is a specific

1:25:03

thing. So a lot of the conversations are

1:25:05

sort of surface level. But it's nice. It's

1:25:08

nice to just, you can bounce from topics

1:25:10

easily. Once you acknowledge it, what are you

1:25:12

a fan of? I don't know, the 80s.

1:25:14

Then it's like, you can just bounce around.

1:25:17

If you say Blade Runner, oh, I'm not

1:25:19

really into Blade Runner, but then like, oh,

1:25:21

Miami Vice is cool. Oh, yeah, Miami Vice

1:25:24

is awesome. And then you can quickly pivot,

1:25:26

right? Whereas, when you're in a fan group

1:25:28

of a particular thing, well nerdy look as

1:25:30

though I could try and have an intellectual

1:25:33

interest in that and things you know however

1:25:35

like low real they actually are but yeah

1:25:37

yeah I think there's a nice balance to

1:25:40

be had like where you do care enough

1:25:42

and think about the movies you watch while

1:25:44

also not making them your identity? I watched

1:25:46

a really good film at the other night.

1:25:49

I saw the TV Globe which is about

1:25:51

being obsessed with, it's a made-up program in

1:25:53

the film, but like being a thing in

1:25:56

the 90s actually, I'm being obsessed with this

1:25:58

sort of weird program that's on late at

1:26:00

night. And it's actually I, if you're going

1:26:02

to watch the film I recommend, don't really

1:26:05

anything about it because the film is actually

1:26:07

very clearly... the writers know it's about this

1:26:09

as a very specific thing which which you

1:26:12

know it would not it's not going to

1:26:14

get everyone can relate to but what you

1:26:16

can relate to is I think just being

1:26:18

an odd teenager for a lot of us

1:26:21

and like and being obsessed about you know

1:26:23

things like a TV program and heck takes

1:26:25

over your life and I think and how

1:26:28

you're sort of using it as a way

1:26:30

of scraping and then but then all set

1:26:32

then looking back on like thinking about how

1:26:34

things thinking back on things you watch and

1:26:37

you read and you remember how they will

1:26:39

seem to think different of the parts in

1:26:41

the time it really really well I've seen

1:26:44

a review of it I've not watched the

1:26:46

movie though it has sort of like a

1:26:48

stylized look right like kind of neon lights

1:26:50

and and appropriately right now it's kind of

1:26:53

like a post David Lynch type sort of

1:26:55

thing it's it's yeah it was really good

1:26:57

about that one of the reasons I was

1:27:00

a never a massively involved in like the

1:27:02

sin the sin the way it's seen like

1:27:04

like but I'm excited about, like I've said

1:27:06

several times, it is a really important thing

1:27:09

to me. But I think it's not sound

1:27:11

just necessarily the best word to use, but

1:27:13

thinking about how the just weirdness and how

1:27:16

the elephant's memory changes things, and also particularly

1:27:18

how sounds. consumer emotion and you have the

1:27:20

memory and you know. Well that's for me

1:27:22

that's the whole thing about the scene was

1:27:25

I find it evocative like when I first

1:27:27

discovered since wave I was listening to it

1:27:29

was a perturbator track and then I found

1:27:32

ogre in his album Sure thing that's like

1:27:34

the theme song for this show and I

1:27:36

just remember it excited me so much you

1:27:38

know like I was just like fucking Right,

1:27:41

man, like, retro sounding, like, synth music that

1:27:43

still is also taking in influences from beyond

1:27:45

that time. You know, like, I'm sort of

1:27:48

listening to music that sounds like 90s and

1:27:50

early 2000s electronic video game music and trance,

1:27:52

but with synth sounds from retro 80s synthesized,

1:27:54

like, it was all sorts of things going

1:27:57

on. It was just hit my buttons in

1:27:59

all the right way. It was so evocative.

1:28:01

But yes, obviously there is. there's a lot

1:28:04

of room for that sort of the danger

1:28:06

of nostalgia and there's lots of projects that

1:28:08

are that are on the nose that I

1:28:10

do make fun of you know like there's

1:28:13

certain synthwave cliches now that you know there's

1:28:15

certain song titles where I just feel like

1:28:17

maybe we just don't do these anymore like

1:28:20

just you know what It's all good. I'm

1:28:22

glad you're excited about Sint Wave, but no

1:28:24

more songs called Neon Arcade. It's just not

1:28:26

a lot. You know what I mean? Miami

1:28:29

having a palm tree and a Ferrari. Yeah,

1:28:31

yeah, Coast Coastal Drive, fucking all this shit.

1:28:33

I don't want to hear any more songs

1:28:36

that have fucking Rudger Howers, speech from Blade

1:28:38

Runner, mixed over them. Like it's fine. And

1:28:40

a lot of my favorite songs have some

1:28:42

of these elements from the scene, so I'm

1:28:45

not like disparaging people who have people who

1:28:47

have done it. when you're like 10 years

1:28:49

12 13 years into a scene yeah I

1:28:52

think that's it you know I live in

1:28:54

a shared house early 2000s I think mammy

1:28:56

rice got released I don't even know how

1:28:58

we got into it but we just bought

1:29:01

the box it after box it off the

1:29:03

box it off the box it off the

1:29:05

box and we obsessed with it mmm this

1:29:08

is back when I think I was downloading

1:29:10

music on the limewire or something yeah I

1:29:12

was getting every single song we hand it

1:29:14

because it seemed like it just it was

1:29:17

like stepping to this weird parallel universe like

1:29:19

this can't have ever been cool. Like, how

1:29:21

did they ever make this? This is bizarre,

1:29:24

you know? At the same time, you're like,

1:29:26

you know, it's so fucking draw, like, that

1:29:28

first episode, when... Yeah. Some of us betrayed

1:29:30

them in the first episode, and then they

1:29:33

get in the Ferrari, like, you know, whatever

1:29:35

it is, and they're driving down the road,

1:29:37

and then all ambient sound disappears, apart from

1:29:40

the sound of... the shotgun being loaded and

1:29:42

in the air tonight, like Phil Colin playing

1:29:44

over it, like, and you like this, this

1:29:46

is really cheesy, but it's also really cool

1:29:49

when you like your brain explodes. Well, there's

1:29:51

something nice about the earnestness of 80s stuff.

1:29:53

I feel like we've gone through these phases,

1:29:56

you know, in entertainment where things become more

1:29:58

cynical and there is something nice about like

1:30:00

when a hero is just a hero. Not

1:30:02

that I like that all the time, but

1:30:05

that is something I definitely enjoy when I

1:30:07

definitely enjoy when I watch. that was a

1:30:09

TV show that were characters were sort of

1:30:12

more gray area for TV at that time

1:30:14

but there's something awesome about just a heroic

1:30:16

scene with a heroic song playing yeah and

1:30:18

just cool imagery for a few minutes and

1:30:21

like it's so satisfying which I think is

1:30:23

what I like what I like about the

1:30:25

fantasy or mystical sort of thing you know

1:30:28

That's what Ulrich's theme. Ulrich's theme is meant

1:30:30

to be. It's meant to be like that

1:30:32

sort of archetypal heroic kind of theme. Yeah,

1:30:34

yeah. Well, look, speaking of Ulrich's theme, that's

1:30:37

a nice segue to get back to your

1:30:39

music. So let's listen to some more. You

1:30:41

put out a little thing called Body Cosmic.

1:30:44

And I was listening to it, I was

1:30:46

trying to pick which one I wanted to

1:30:48

listen to. And like, every song I sort

1:30:50

of liked better than the previous one, I

1:30:53

was like, oh, this song is cool, and

1:30:55

then the next song would play, I'm like,

1:30:57

oh, this song's cool too. And so I

1:31:00

think I would like to listen to Argyll

1:31:02

Rhythm. I shouldn't say that by my own

1:31:04

music, I guess that's the best thing I've

1:31:06

ever run. But yeah. It's fucking cool, so

1:31:09

let's, so let's listen to that, and then

1:31:11

we'll keep chatting, and then we'll keep chatting,

1:31:13

and then we'll keep chatting, and then we'll

1:31:16

keep chatting, this is, this is, this is,

1:31:18

this is, this is, this is, this is,

1:31:20

this is, this is, this is, this is,

1:31:22

this is, this is, this is, this is,

1:31:25

this is, this is, this is, this is,

1:31:27

this is, this is, this is, this is,

1:31:29

this is, this is And

1:35:56

that was argorism. It's good stuff.

1:35:58

So this CP has... sort of

1:36:00

its paladin and body cosmic kind of.

1:36:02

Yeah, I'm thinking this is perhaps not

1:36:04

the way to work with how music

1:36:06

is now with like streaming everything, but

1:36:08

I still like to like wait and

1:36:10

like make an album or at least

1:36:12

like an EP. I have like, unless

1:36:14

we have concept, but at least like

1:36:16

hangs together as a thing. And like

1:36:18

a couple years. asked how just the

1:36:20

arm's gonna put together like a compilation

1:36:22

of here's what I'm working on so

1:36:24

I think and then once I've done

1:36:26

now listen to it I was like

1:36:28

no actually this does actually hang together

1:36:30

as a whether you think if it's

1:36:32

a compilation or whether you think of

1:36:34

it as an album by one person

1:36:36

which of course it is it sounds

1:36:38

fine but yeah if Maud Powell is

1:36:40

a is a record label of music

1:36:42

by one person and this is like

1:36:44

the record labels compilation the last year

1:36:46

this is all made up anyway it's

1:36:48

all just music by this increase the

1:36:50

other best thing of room. I was

1:36:52

not just the best thing of room

1:36:54

but it's the first thing of room

1:36:56

for a while while I was like

1:36:58

oh this sounds like the next thing

1:37:00

the next stage and I think that's

1:37:02

partly what I was waiting for to

1:37:05

like put it out because well I

1:37:07

need to write a more stop that

1:37:09

sounds to occur like you're old this

1:37:11

but it hasn't avenged yet. But yeah

1:37:13

and then three tracks from compilations that

1:37:15

first track is going on to come

1:37:17

along with as... Do you want to

1:37:19

go on compilation? So you're like, yes,

1:37:21

I have this song lying around. In

1:37:23

the case of algorithm, which is a

1:37:25

made up word, I started off doing

1:37:27

something that sounded very, like the modusal

1:37:29

sort of sound, like a sort of

1:37:31

like horror, horror disco sort of like

1:37:33

a gatekeeper type sound, like that sort

1:37:35

of thing. But yeah, then somehow evolved

1:37:37

into whatever it is now. And yeah,

1:37:39

I thought, yeah, this sounds like a

1:37:41

good. I suppose similarly actually like the

1:37:43

cosmic angst tracks on this thing. They

1:37:45

sound like an evolution, a next step.

1:37:47

This sounds like the next step on

1:37:49

if the wind is wrong. I kind

1:37:51

of think like it's done, but maybe

1:37:53

not. I have a couple of ideas

1:37:55

of what I'd like to do. Yeah,

1:37:57

what can I do next? This idea?

1:37:59

This sort of like, what do you

1:38:01

want to call it? It's a disco

1:38:03

dynamity or disc? Whatever. But yeah I

1:38:05

wrote it and I was like I

1:38:07

just felt like I had a lot

1:38:09

of ideas I've had that sort of

1:38:11

really somehow crystallized. I said earlier how

1:38:13

sometimes you listen back to stuff that

1:38:15

you wrote years ago and you're distant

1:38:17

enough from it that you can be

1:38:19

like you can objectively be like oh

1:38:21

that's quite good and that's not so

1:38:23

good or whatever. Whereas this is like

1:38:25

I wrote some of it and I

1:38:27

was like I don't want to get

1:38:29

to you on my own arts but

1:38:31

I don't really get like to you

1:38:33

just sort of you get it down

1:38:35

right and you think you can almost

1:38:37

straight away look at it or listen

1:38:39

to it rather as if someone else

1:38:41

wrote it like yeah one of my

1:38:43

subscribers actually one of my 10 subscribers

1:38:45

or something a bank out but if

1:38:47

you go to this on the on

1:38:49

bank out he's actually posted about how

1:38:51

much less I just replied and going

1:38:53

yeah you're right it is really good

1:38:55

isn't it and I don't from embarrassed

1:38:57

saying that because I feel like there's

1:38:59

like a sound of feeling that I

1:39:01

got out and you know I wish

1:39:03

I wish because I don't, you know,

1:39:05

you go off with those weird directions,

1:39:07

you stop, you start, you know, I

1:39:09

feel like I have a re-undiscipline writing

1:39:11

process. But with that, Trek, suddenly it

1:39:13

came together as, it's kind of inspired

1:39:15

by, you know, I don't know how

1:39:17

I should never, like a tallow disco,

1:39:19

just go. And there's like a side

1:39:21

thing to it was space sense. It's

1:39:23

like instrumental, specifically instrumental, tallow, standing stuff.

1:39:25

There is a group called Milk Ways.

1:39:27

It's not they're not like huge it's

1:39:29

like literally the cover is like sort

1:39:31

of three French guys with glowing eyes

1:39:33

and it's like from the late 70s

1:39:35

or early 80s and it's sort of

1:39:37

like almost like popcorn kind of sound

1:39:39

it's like that but it's like it's

1:39:41

like it's very space disco music and

1:39:43

it's fucking awesome and they only have

1:39:45

this one little thing with like four

1:39:48

tracks on it or something. I just

1:39:50

spoke it I want to look up

1:39:52

milk ways so literally like the word

1:39:54

milk and then W-a-a-y-y-y-y-y-y-h haven't-hose. This

1:40:00

is the thing, this is the

1:40:02

greatest thing about obscure Talo and

1:40:04

other disco records. It's very, it's

1:40:07

very spaced, I think it's more

1:40:09

space disco than a Talo, but

1:40:11

it's- Yeah, space-disco, but it's- Yeah,

1:40:14

space-disco, another sort of like sub-sub-sub

1:40:16

genre. But yeah, like, you think

1:40:18

you've heard every good. Whether it's

1:40:21

a talent disco or any sort

1:40:23

of obscure subgenre or synth music

1:40:25

set and you are probably other

1:40:27

genres too. And then like you

1:40:30

hear something else which changed your

1:40:32

life. Yeah, milkways changed my life.

1:40:34

Yeah, the band's space were a

1:40:37

French as well. It was a

1:40:39

big, big, big, cool French 70s

1:40:41

or French electronic music was worth

1:40:43

investigating. But I mean the big

1:40:46

obvious one. There's space that in

1:40:48

Magic Fly. It's

1:41:03

a similar sort of thing. I mean, it's

1:41:05

definitely disco, but I think it's probably inspired

1:41:07

by, like, the genre charge art, that sort

1:41:10

of thing. Yeah, yeah. So, I'll get arguing.

1:41:12

So, yeah, it was kind of, I mean,

1:41:14

it's not really so much to say it

1:41:16

was inspired by some instrumental symphusic on the

1:41:18

80s. This is the first time hearing about

1:41:21

this. Yeah. Sure. Before. coming on here I

1:41:23

was sort of like listening back some music

1:41:25

trying to think God I had to talk

1:41:27

about my own stuff that's that's let's try

1:41:29

and get in the right home space and

1:41:32

I was thinking what were they trying to

1:41:34

do way back on the study? It made

1:41:36

me sound silly saying I wanted to write

1:41:38

an instrumental synthesizing music but that was like

1:41:41

dramatic and emotional and everything in a way

1:41:43

that I didn't really feel I could hear

1:41:45

in many places crying I mean this is

1:41:47

going back like 10-11-12 whenever it was not

1:41:49

started but like just instrument on music on

1:41:52

music generally I mean like classical music which

1:41:54

is obviously great too I mean like specifically

1:41:56

like popular but instrumental music which a lot

1:41:58

of time means theme tunes but are always

1:42:00

that's Not getting any broader than that is

1:42:03

it's a big influence. So yeah, something like

1:42:05

argument, I feel like I've somehow tuck and

1:42:07

decide. Are you in celestial communication with Mollissar

1:42:09

himself? Yeah, maybe, maybe. Watch out man, he

1:42:11

sucks out people's souls. So you need to

1:42:14

go and watch the key part of this,

1:42:16

you've listened to Magic Fly by space. Yes,

1:42:18

I definitely will. I mean, I've seen a

1:42:20

bunch of key sequences, because like I loved,

1:42:23

There's also character honestly that ties back to

1:42:25

Doctor Who as well, like characters where it's

1:42:27

like just like an evil being character like

1:42:29

in like Su Tech in the classic 80s

1:42:31

or classic Tom Baker One. I love when

1:42:34

there's just a character with a cool, one

1:42:36

of the better stories of modern Doctor Who,

1:42:38

that one where there's like the Satan, the

1:42:40

giant Satan that's like in the pit or

1:42:42

whatever. I didn't like it because it was

1:42:45

a little of the CGI in it like.

1:42:47

Well yeah, he was a CGI monster, but

1:42:49

I liked monster, but I liked his voice

1:42:51

but I liked his voice. Same guy. It's

1:42:53

the same guy, yeah. So, so I, I,

1:42:56

that I dig, I didn't like the new

1:42:58

Sootec because they brought him back in the

1:43:00

Disney one. Oh, I'm gonna. He's a CGI

1:43:02

dog, basically. It's awful, like it just was

1:43:05

not satisfying at all. But they, yeah, I

1:43:07

just like, I love cool, deep, fucking British

1:43:09

evil guy voice. You know, legend, I love

1:43:11

the way Tim Curry sounds. Like, like, there's

1:43:13

all these things that just. make me happy

1:43:16

and so like just those molesar scenes I

1:43:18

just love the way he talks even when

1:43:20

his mouth doesn't match his he's a puppet

1:43:22

at one point because he's more skeletal looking

1:43:24

yeah and it's like a puppet with a

1:43:27

red light shining out of his mouth and

1:43:29

it doesn't match what he's saying but it's

1:43:31

still cool anyways I'd watched like bad puppets

1:43:33

over a CGI anytime yeah they're more satisfying

1:43:36

I really something to make like with the

1:43:38

terminology we have now to make like a

1:43:40

low-budget fantasy film. I want to say a

1:43:42

low-budget, but like make it, so it still

1:43:44

has the grunge and the crit and the

1:43:47

Korean of like, I don't know, something like,

1:43:49

it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like,

1:43:51

it's like, I want it to be filmed

1:43:53

in a quarry, I want to be filmed

1:43:55

in like, oh, all fantasy films now, we're

1:43:58

in like, like, New Zealand or Iceland or

1:44:00

Iceland, it's like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:44:02

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:44:04

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:44:06

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:44:09

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:44:11

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:44:13

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:44:15

like Although I recently got hold of the

1:44:18

despecialized version. Yeah, yeah, army special, despecialized edition.

1:44:20

I did like, I don't want to go

1:44:22

off the Star Wars tangent, but it was

1:44:24

like watching them for the first time because

1:44:26

really they were on television and then they

1:44:29

were reissued, you know, the cinemas in the

1:44:31

90s. And at the time, you're like, you

1:44:33

know, you hadn't seen Cija on that scale

1:44:35

the first. like the Empire Strikes back since

1:44:37

I was a kid. So watching now, knowing

1:44:40

there was no CGI in it, not even

1:44:42

like to clean stuff up, well maybe a

1:44:44

bit of that, but you know, yeah, it

1:44:46

was really really impressive. One much to say,

1:44:48

oh yeah, but to my Disney, so yeah,

1:44:51

we have the Disney Channel the moment, which

1:44:53

I've canceled now, because I've canceled, I watched,

1:44:55

I watched rogue one, and it's really, really

1:44:57

watchable, but like with Bladeron 2049 2049. like

1:45:00

with the alien Romulus like they're gray and

1:45:02

then there's this like almost like this CGI

1:45:04

glue they thought they have to use to

1:45:06

stick it to the original film. Yeah like

1:45:08

Play Dawn of 24 Iron is amazing for

1:45:11

me. Yeah no I like it. They're new

1:45:13

school. It's great like I love the relationship

1:45:15

between him and the hologram forgetting everyone's names

1:45:17

but and then the minute it starts referencing

1:45:19

the first film it's like dong what? And

1:45:22

then like Sean Young turns up, you're like,

1:45:24

yeah, she looks mostly real. And then Harrison

1:45:26

Ford turns up, just like Powellie, not with

1:45:28

no cost you want at all, just a

1:45:31

man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and the grey shirt,

1:45:33

yeah, yeah. Don't worry, we're just sticky on.

1:45:35

Yeah, wardrobe. And then like he literally gets

1:45:37

wheeled around like, why is he even there?

1:45:39

Anyway, I don't know, yeah, he would, and

1:45:42

then like, he literally gets the texture, did

1:45:44

you like, would you like, like, like, okay.

1:45:46

Yeah. Yeah. the look of the simmity sort

1:45:48

of set design and indeed the hair. Because

1:45:50

I quite like that guy's films. Garrett heard

1:45:53

of him, I quite like a lot of

1:45:55

his films anyway. I don't know where it

1:45:57

is because they're trying to be. a match.

1:45:59

In my opinion it's the best one they

1:46:01

they did. Yeah. Like the once once Disney

1:46:04

got it. When I go back and remember

1:46:06

what I said like at the time nothing's

1:46:08

really changed. Like I thought force awakens was

1:46:10

fun and I remember thinking this is fun

1:46:13

but light. It didn't feel meaningful but I

1:46:15

thought well as long as part two and

1:46:17

three are good. then this is a perfectly

1:46:19

adequate part one of a trilogy but then

1:46:21

I really didn't like where the series went

1:46:24

and so it made me reassess retroactively you

1:46:26

know I'm kind of like well and I

1:46:28

don't really need to watch this one anymore

1:46:30

because where it went was silly and so

1:46:32

really rogue one is the only thing I

1:46:35

read watch the only thing I read watch

1:46:37

the re-watch this one anymore because where it

1:46:39

went was silly and so really rogue one

1:46:41

is the only specialized edition I like that

1:46:44

I think if I remember the sort of

1:46:46

greenish color temperature to the original movie like

1:46:48

the 70s one so it sort of has

1:46:50

it kind of has that look you remember

1:46:52

the color of it being from watching it

1:46:55

on like VHS or whatever like because they

1:46:57

keep color correcting the new ones and now

1:46:59

everybody's like pink and it changes the color

1:47:01

of the laser beams and everything. Yeah I

1:47:03

think it's clean up a bit but like

1:47:06

respectfully but I tend as it's probably has

1:47:08

been made clear right now the more noise

1:47:10

around something the last like I had changed

1:47:12

into it. So I just like being like,

1:47:14

I don't care about Star Wars wages. But

1:47:17

then every time, it's great like having the

1:47:19

attitude and then occasionally watching it every few

1:47:21

years and going, oh no, I forgot how

1:47:23

it is. Like I watched the, you know,

1:47:26

the one that's available on the Disney channel.

1:47:28

And I said, oh yeah, it's great. Oh,

1:47:30

there's a CGI dinosaur, no reason. Yeah, yeah.

1:47:32

There's a film. called Black Angel. It's on

1:47:34

YouTube. It's 25 minutes long. It was played,

1:47:37

I think it was played before, either the

1:47:39

Return of the Jedi or Play Strikes Back,

1:47:41

and it's directed by the guy. He had

1:47:43

some crew position on Star Wars, and it's

1:47:45

like a really, sort of quite slight, simple

1:47:48

story about a night that goes back home,

1:47:50

and well, I went to what happens. It's

1:47:52

not much plot to it. It's more sort

1:47:54

of like a dream-like piece, but I think

1:47:56

it's the best thing. of that sort of

1:47:59

texture. I don't necessarily mean like the film

1:48:01

grain that is part of it but there's

1:48:03

something about watching films from that era it

1:48:05

might just be the fact that they're all

1:48:08

shot in Wales where it's raining or whatever

1:48:10

but you go and watch that and I

1:48:12

really really recommend it on YouTube that's like

1:48:14

the pinnacle of that sort of texture of

1:48:16

a film which yeah I don't know how

1:48:19

you start talking about this but oh yeah

1:48:21

I was saying I want someone to go

1:48:23

back and make my fear that a fancy

1:48:25

film like with those techniques. Yes, yeah, that

1:48:27

would be awesome. Oc, yeah, I put, I

1:48:30

want puppets in it. Imagine, like, if somebody

1:48:32

remade the Lord of the Rings, but like,

1:48:34

with, like, Jim Ensign, like, a Jim Ensign

1:48:36

Gollum. Yeah. Yeah, that's the area. Probably the

1:48:39

only improvement, I kind of think I'll put

1:48:41

those ones, is to, yeah, get a Jim

1:48:43

Ensign puppets in dollar. Yeah, that would be

1:48:45

awesome. Well, look. Listen we've been talking for

1:48:47

a long time. How about let's listen just

1:48:50

because we played some paladin and some some

1:48:52

cosmic angst So how about we play from

1:48:54

the body cosmic the titular body cosmic track

1:48:56

and then we'll say goodbye or we can

1:48:58

wind down. Is that cool? Yeah, so this

1:49:01

is this is the body cosmic with the

1:49:03

body or I'm saying the I'm adding these

1:49:05

thus in here. There's no thus. It's just

1:49:07

body cosmic body cosmic body cosmic You

1:54:23

All right, and that was Body Cosmic. By

1:54:25

Body Cosmic from the short little EP called

1:54:27

Body Cosmic from 2024, I've been talking to...

1:54:29

Chris and we've been talking about Excalibur and

1:54:31

urban angst and the matter of Britain and

1:54:33

synthesizers and Doctor Who and all sorts of

1:54:35

things. Is there something you wanted to talk

1:54:38

about that we didn't talk about before I

1:54:40

hang up on you? No, I don't think

1:54:42

so. I should say I mean, I'm really

1:54:44

bad. It's sometimes like, I forget to mention

1:54:46

this to the people I'm talking to, but

1:54:48

like your music's really good. I just thought

1:54:50

like, I don't know, you were like, who

1:54:52

have I not had on the show this

1:54:55

show this? because in the past few years

1:54:57

I've just had a lot of return guests

1:54:59

and other things and I felt like I

1:55:01

want to get back to the roots of

1:55:03

the show which is like talking to people

1:55:05

I haven't talked to because there's a ton

1:55:07

of people who make awesome music who I

1:55:09

just haven't got around to and it's not

1:55:12

because I just haven't got around to and

1:55:14

it's not because I just haven't got around

1:55:16

to and it's not because of anything other

1:55:18

than just I'm one guy who can't. But

1:55:20

yeah, I can't do that. So it has

1:55:22

to be stuff that I really like, you

1:55:24

know, like I have to, I listen to

1:55:26

the music, I'm like, okay, this music's cool,

1:55:29

like I gotta, you know. Yeah. Well, I

1:55:31

think that's the same for a lot of

1:55:33

people in various small music scenes, whether you're

1:55:35

like, you're like, you know, whether you're writing

1:55:37

a lot of people in various small music

1:55:39

scenes, whether you're like, you're like, you know,

1:55:41

whether you're like, you're like, you're like, you're

1:55:43

like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're

1:55:46

like, like, you're like, like, you're like, like,

1:55:48

you're like, like, like, like, like, like, you're,

1:55:50

like, like, like, like, you're, you're, like, like,

1:55:52

you're, like, you're, you're, like, you're, you're, you're,

1:55:54

you're, you're, you're, But like I'm really as

1:55:56

fast-fied with having, particularly having gone, fuck up

1:55:58

and doing this for 10 years, but longer.

1:56:00

And you know, I'm really credible, I've done,

1:56:03

I think, and I really love people like,

1:56:05

sweetly about the music. But yeah, I like

1:56:07

being like some obscure weird guy writing music,

1:56:09

which I hope is like unique-ish, you know,

1:56:11

reflects some weird things I'm into and fixing

1:56:13

with other people. Yeah, that's always the irony

1:56:15

of being on this show because I end

1:56:17

up... always steering the conversation into other things

1:56:20

instead of the music. And so when people

1:56:22

come on like, oh, we're going to talk

1:56:24

about the music, like, well, we're going to

1:56:26

listen to some, but I think you're going

1:56:28

to listen to me talk about Doctor Who

1:56:30

for 20 minutes. And yeah, I also, I

1:56:32

think when I started out doing this, I

1:56:34

was going out like you do when you're

1:56:37

younger than 30, you know, I played live

1:56:39

a few times earlier, and I was teaching,

1:56:41

I was the man, you wouldn't even felt

1:56:43

like, you felt like, like, you felt like,

1:56:45

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

1:56:47

like, like, like, like, I don't think I

1:56:49

would have any following at all if I

1:56:51

was still a lie. I don't like people

1:56:54

I could actually physically meet. So this whole

1:56:56

thing is obviously we're just talking across the

1:56:58

across the planet. So I forgot my other

1:57:00

pointers, but yeah, you know, it's it's great

1:57:02

that we can have a small scene. That's

1:57:04

what I'm trying to say. A small thing,

1:57:06

albeit one that is spread out across like

1:57:08

the entire life, which is also weird. We're

1:57:11

all so weird up playing life the other

1:57:13

week and actually. You know, you're not like

1:57:15

a friend of mine, I'm dancing. A random

1:57:17

guy who independently knows how easy. Well, that's

1:57:19

weird. So yeah. Yeah man. Well, listen, keep

1:57:21

making cool music and we'll play it on

1:57:23

the show, you know, that's good stuff. Yeah,

1:57:25

a lot of those people, I have a

1:57:28

New Year's Revolution to like drop unnecessary things

1:57:30

and try and get more of the import

1:57:32

stuff done. So I can't put Don't Just

1:57:34

a Dragon is down. Put everything else down.

1:57:36

and we're trying to light more music. Someone's

1:57:38

actually got me to do a body party

1:57:40

remix, which I haven't done anything on the

1:57:42

body part, I agree with this. And I

1:57:45

was going from like four of my ideas

1:57:47

and I've got loads of stuff. So I

1:57:49

won't, I won't do that. I definitely where

1:57:51

I achieve this, but my intention is to

1:57:53

write a more really stuck more steadily this

1:57:55

year. So yeah, hopefully you'll have some new

1:57:57

stuff to play as well. Well, good luck

1:57:59

to you. I always. find I don't like

1:58:02

to announce my plans because I have a

1:58:04

fear of like irony. I just feel like

1:58:06

whenever I tell people out loud what my

1:58:08

plan is it's basically like my basically announcing

1:58:10

that that thing is not going to happen

1:58:12

because that's just the way my life works

1:58:14

and so I'm always keeping things very close

1:58:16

to the chest. Is that the expression? Close

1:58:19

to the vest. Close to the chest. Close

1:58:21

to the chest. You call it's close to

1:58:23

your chest. Is close to your vest also

1:58:25

a thing? Was it under your vest? Anyway,

1:58:27

look, you have a lovely day, all right?

1:58:29

It was nice chatting with you. Me too.

1:58:31

Uh, yeah, see you about. All right man,

1:58:33

we did it. Broom. All

1:58:42

right, and that was my chat with

1:58:44

mild peril, paladin, body cosmic, cosmic angst,

1:58:47

mollus. Uh, yeah, Chris is a cool

1:58:49

dude, and he makes great music. I

1:58:51

love this stuff, so go check it

1:58:54

out, because it'll make you happy. And

1:58:56

that's it for the show this week,

1:58:58

so tune in next time to Beyond

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1:59:07

I think 12 episodes of that up.

1:59:10

I do have another episode I recorded

1:59:12

with bad movie Bible But it has

1:59:14

not been edited yet, so I don't

1:59:17

even know why I'm telling you this

1:59:19

But we haven't recorded anything new this

1:59:21

year because I told him look I

1:59:23

got to get this to Pesh mode

1:59:26

series done and then we can focus

1:59:28

on that one So look forward to

1:59:30

new episodes of the movie podcast in

1:59:33

June or whenever? You know my schedule.

1:59:35

Okay. Have a lovely week keeping cool

1:59:37

tune tune in next time and yeah

1:59:40

people I've never talked to before and

1:59:42

yeah a lot of cool back stories

1:59:44

a lot of people who have been

1:59:46

you know making music for a long

1:59:49

time some surprising things and it's been

1:59:51

cool so um you know I'm excited

1:59:53

for you guys to hear those shows

1:59:56

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1:59:58

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