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Matt Pruitt. Just wanted to hop on and

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over the years that we've been doing

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these Q&A episodes, we've gotten a lot

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of submissions from people asking for book

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recommendations, you know, required reading, essential reading,

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things of that nature. And so in

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October of 2023, Cliff Bobo and myself

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recorded an episode for our members only

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podcast, Beyond Bigfoot and Beyond. dedicated to

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some of our favorite books about the

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Sasquatch and other related topics. When I

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was compiling the questions for the January

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2025 Q&A episode, we had quite a

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few more requests for book recommendations. So

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I thought it would be a good

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idea to take the members only episode

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that we recorded back in October 23

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and release that here on the main feed.

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So you're going to hear a members only

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episode being released here on our main podcast

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feed for the first time. And we also

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compiled a list of all the books that

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are mentioned in this episode. So if you

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click the link in the show notes to

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our patron to the membership section, you'll see

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that post available there if you want to

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see all the books listed in one place

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so you don't have to write them down

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if you're driving or traveling or anything of

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that nature. So hope you enjoy this episode

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that we originally recorded for our members and

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hope you find the recommendations useful.

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So we're thinking that maybe we could just

1:47

wrap about some of our favorite Sasquatch

1:50

related books because we're still getting so

1:52

many questions about what books would we

1:54

recommend to people. Yeah. Remember we talked about

1:56

like the clobos book club which we will do

1:58

deep dives in the on specific books, but

2:01

maybe for now we just talk

2:03

about our top three or top

2:05

five recommendations that you would offer to

2:07

people, those sorts of things. Okay, cool.

2:09

Well, what would you recommend? We've

2:11

already started recording. Oh, okay.

2:13

There's a wide range of people, people

2:16

that have like extensive Bigfoot libraries,

2:18

their own personal books, and then

2:20

there's people that just kind of

2:22

were fans of the show that

2:24

don't really have any. So I guess who

2:26

we start with that. Well I'd say just

2:28

yeah just choose one I think and because

2:30

you know there's been people there are people

2:32

who have been into this thing for a

2:34

while and maybe they haven't read the book you're

2:36

mentioning because they and a different book

2:39

got them going you know yeah I think

2:41

well I mean if you're a reader I

2:43

mean if you're just gonna read one book

2:45

I'd say Pruitt the phenomenal Sasquash really if

2:47

you want to really kind of go through

2:49

it and I enjoy the historic I love

2:51

the historical parts of it and I think

2:53

if you start with Sanderson You know back

2:56

in 61, 1961, I think that's

2:58

a great place to start. It

3:00

is, but I don't like his writing

3:02

style. You don't? No, no, I

3:04

don't like it. It's a little

3:06

archaic and weird to me.

3:08

I like that about it. I like

3:10

that about it. I like the book.

3:12

Don't get me wrong. It has a

3:14

lot of great information

3:17

in it. But that's not, it

3:19

doesn't flow easily from the page

3:21

to my brain. I would agree

3:23

with that and... humanoid evolution and a

3:25

lot of the fossils that are relevant

3:28

hadn't even been found yet. And so

3:30

there's a lot of things that are

3:32

a bit outdated in terms of the

3:34

unfolding discovery of the history

3:36

of prehuman ancestors and human

3:39

relatives. But yeah, I would that is one

3:41

of my top five for sure. But it

3:43

gives you an idea like what people were

3:45

like when you read the next books like

3:47

this is the first thing they went off

3:49

of, you know, it kind of just gives

3:51

you into the mindset of the people of

3:53

the time and when you factor in, how

3:55

would they do about what you just, the

3:57

things you just mentioned, how little was done?

3:59

So now it is, like, how the

4:02

thought process they came to their conclusions

4:04

and stuff is, I think, pretty fascinating.

4:06

Oh, I would agree with that. I

4:08

think it's good to visit after maybe,

4:11

I mean, to me, I would always

4:13

recommend starting with greens, apes among us.

4:15

That would be the first, ultimate first

4:17

book. See, I don't even know if

4:20

I'd agree with that. Well, you're wrong,

4:22

Cliff. Well, I could very well be

4:24

wrong, but nobody's perfect. Here, but here's

4:26

my complaint about it. I love the

4:29

first half or more of it, but

4:31

by the time you're getting two-thirds of

4:33

the way through, it comes down, apes

4:35

among us, turns into the sing on

4:38

February 9th, 1974, so-and-so, and wherever, Kentucky,

4:40

and saw one run across the road,

4:42

blah, it was brown, and then the

4:44

next paragraph is a different. rattling of

4:47

statistics, you know? It kind of runs,

4:49

at some point it seems to me

4:51

that apes among us, and I'd love

4:53

the book, it's a great book, I'm

4:56

not bashing it, but if I have

4:58

a complaint about it, which I kind

5:00

of do, it turns into a rattling

5:02

of this happened, this happened, and it

5:05

kind of loses the narrative thread that

5:07

I felt that really held it together

5:09

for the first part of the book.

5:11

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, am I mean,

5:14

like you agree with you, Matt, I

5:16

know that's a, you're, that's a, that's

5:18

a, that's a, That's your number one

5:20

go-to book. Am I off base on

5:23

that? What's your opinion on that? What's

5:25

your opinion on that? I think he

5:27

does a really good job. First of

5:29

all, he's such a reliable narrator and

5:31

he has a much more accessible writing

5:34

style than most because he was an

5:36

Ivy League educated journalist and so he

5:38

was a great writer and he had

5:40

sort of an editorial mind as a

5:43

writer which is probably extremely helpful, you

5:45

know, for writing a book as big

5:47

as that is. I like the way

5:49

it's broken. a presentation of various cases,

5:52

especially in the, because essentially you have

5:54

those beginning portions where he's like introducing

5:56

the subject, talking about the historical record

5:58

and then his sort of entry through

6:01

the Centennial Sasquatch Hunt, Bluff Creek, the

6:03

classics, Patterson, but then it does sort

6:05

of move into these re- breakouts of

6:07

reports that it occurred. So there's, you

6:10

know, like the Mississippi Water Web, Woolley

6:12

Boogers, the Canadian scene, Eastern action. But

6:14

once he gets through that, then it

6:16

shifts back into like, all right, there's

6:19

a chapter about footprints, where are the

6:21

bones? Screams in the night, you know,

6:23

vocalization. Yeah, the statistical analysis, that stuff

6:25

is cool. But in the middle there,

6:28

I think it gets trapped in this

6:30

quagmire, you know. the number of people

6:32

across North America that were reporting these

6:34

things, even in the mid-20th century, and

6:37

all the things that we think of

6:39

now, because it's really easy to get

6:41

stuck in modern times. And I did

6:43

this with Sanderson's book too, where things

6:46

would sort of emerge out of reports

6:48

that seemed new to me, and then

6:50

I would revisit Sanderson and go, oh,

6:52

he picked up on that same pattern

6:55

in the late 60s or early 70s.

6:57

And so... That's sort of a reinforcing

6:59

thing to think that the some of

7:01

the things that feel like newer discoveries

7:04

like 21st century discoveries are actually present

7:06

even back then which strengthens the case

7:08

for the reality of the subject right

7:10

now if I had to. modify this

7:13

at all. See, I wouldn't go to

7:15

apes among us first. I would go

7:17

to the best of Sasquatch Bigfoot, which

7:19

of course is a compilation of John's

7:22

three other books, those smaller pamphlet books.

7:24

I find those to be more readable

7:26

and digestible, and the fact that they

7:28

were all put together into one book

7:31

by Hancock House Press, the best of

7:33

Sasquatch Bigfoot. I think that would be

7:35

my go-to John Green book for the

7:37

newbie. Because that covers a lot of

7:40

the historic stuff the foundational things in

7:42

Bluff Creek and British Columbia the stuff

7:44

the early things that John everybody else

7:46

looked into But and of course Aips

7:49

Among us is the next step after

7:51

that see I would have gone to

7:53

best of Sasquatch Bigfoot first for that

7:55

reason because at that point Aips Among

7:58

us builds. upon best of, you know,

8:00

these other books, you know, you're the

8:02

Sasquatch and the other ones that are

8:04

escaping me right now, you know what

8:07

they are. No, that's a great point.

8:09

See, I started the first book I

8:11

read was Creates' book, and so it

8:13

was very, because I hadn't studied any

8:16

like evolutionary biology or anthropology at that

8:18

point, and so it was very difficult

8:20

because I just was like first contact

8:22

with a lot of those terms. I

8:25

still love that book and I revisited

8:27

a lot. And so Greens was more

8:29

like, I'm following a reliable narrator who's

8:31

walking me through this whole world that

8:34

is the Sasquatch subject. And so yeah,

8:36

I do think that's a great point

8:38

though that the best of Bigfoot Sasquatch

8:40

would be a great one. Another great

8:42

one is Chris Murphy's either meet the

8:45

Sasquatch or the second edition know the

8:47

Sasquatch because there's just so much. There's

8:49

a lot of information there, but you

8:51

will never find a better collection of

8:54

images of images. Yeah, it's the perfect

8:56

coffee table book on Sasquatch, honestly. beautiful,

8:58

glossy book. The pictures are all in

9:00

color, or at least the ones that

9:03

were taken in color originally, are all

9:05

in color because there's really black and

9:07

white photographs in there. It is big,

9:09

it's glossy, it's very, very visual, there's

9:12

a lot of, but despite the fact

9:14

that it's very visual, packful of pictures,

9:16

there's a lot of really great informational

9:18

text in there as well. Yeah, and

9:21

they have the text and the information

9:23

combined with the photographs, it's a really

9:25

powerful thing. It's just fantastic and a

9:27

lot of people may not remember but

9:30

there it was originally published I think

9:32

with the like a leather bound cover

9:34

or something like that. Really? Yeah and

9:36

it was also in hardback I don't

9:39

know if you guys have the hardback

9:41

version or not I have an autographed

9:43

hard cover by and you know John

9:45

Green and Steenberg and Murphy they all

9:48

autographed that one that was the original

9:50

one but I couldn't have I believe

9:52

that there was a leather bound edition

9:54

as well. I did have that. I

9:57

think I still have it. You should.

9:59

I hope so. It's probably... quite a

10:01

bit. I think I paid $150 for

10:03

it. You know, you have a hell

10:06

of a book collection, Boats, you really

10:08

do. Stephen Streyford, who the owner of

10:10

the establishment that was once, so it's

10:12

called Bigfoot Books, said you were his

10:15

best customer there for a

10:17

long time. Yep, I spent four granted

10:19

there in one year. Geez, well what

10:21

was some of the walkaways

10:23

you got, man, would you walk away

10:25

with? Oh, just like first edition stuff,

10:28

like rarest. Yeah, you're kind of like

10:30

that. You're generous to a fault if

10:32

I don't say so myself. Yeah. But

10:34

you mentioned Kranz's book. Kranz's

10:36

book was really influential upon me. It

10:39

wasn't the first Bigfoot book I ran

10:41

across. I think one of John Green's

10:43

one of the paperback ones. I don't

10:45

remember which one on the track of

10:47

the sass watch or you're the sass

10:49

watch or something like that. those may

10:51

have been amongst the first because I

10:53

remember looking through the college library that

10:55

I often mentioned is what kind of

10:57

got me into this. And I think

10:59

I ran across those and this is

11:01

kind of interesting and kind of

11:03

started leafing through it, you know, or the

11:06

Sasquatch file. That's the last one. I finally

11:08

came to me. It was kind of like

11:10

looking at those and oh this is interesting.

11:12

And then I ran across. It was either

11:14

mysterious monsters on trial. No, no. Is that right?

11:17

mysterious monsters on trial? That's right.

11:19

Man-like monsters. Man-like? Okay, the other,

11:21

yeah, another M-word. Man-like monsters on

11:24

trial. Or, what was it? There was

11:26

one called Sasquatch, and that's always called

11:28

at a yellow cover. I think Markotic

11:30

was his name. He was one of

11:32

the, it was a compilation of journal

11:34

articles written by scientists. Yeah, and Kranz

11:36

was a co-editor on one of those,

11:39

I think. Yeah, he submitted some of

11:41

those papers. Big compendiums, yeah, are the

11:43

scientists look at the Sasquatch, one and

11:45

two man-like monsters on trial, and then

11:47

the Sasquatch and other hominids. Yeah, that

11:49

was my baptism into the science of

11:52

Bigfoot. I think I might have like

11:54

perused through some of the citing reports

11:56

and John Greenbook, but when I started

11:58

reading those cover to cover. multiple times.

12:01

That really struck me. That really,

12:03

really struck me. It's like, holy

12:05

crap, these things are real? You're

12:07

kidding me. Yeah, I revisit those

12:09

a lot. And, you know, I

12:11

reference those in writing the book

12:13

too. And I, the Kranz book

12:15

too, I love. It just wasn't

12:17

the best first contact for a

12:19

kid from North Georgia. You know

12:21

what I mean? Like, I suppose.

12:23

Is you listen to the other

12:25

read down there? Well, it was

12:27

sort of like a calling to,

12:29

okay, well, I need to learn

12:31

these things and I rose to

12:33

the challenge of trying to be

12:35

more equipped, more well equipped to

12:37

make sense of everything. So those

12:39

sorts of, like, that's why I

12:41

really enjoy challenging reads or technical

12:43

reads because it's an opportunity to

12:45

learn, but in terms of, I

12:47

think I came to it expecting

12:49

a different thing that I eventually

12:51

found in apes among us. I

12:53

still have my weather-beaten copy of

12:55

the Kranz book. I would take

12:57

that to Bluff Creek every time

12:59

I went, starting in 1993 or

13:01

2004, whenever that, I think it

13:03

was forward when I started going.

13:05

Yeah, it was 1994 when I

13:07

started going to Bluff Creek. Yeah,

13:09

and I just beat the crap

13:11

out of the book. It's just

13:13

like missing a cover. I think

13:15

maybe the title page too. That

13:17

poor book has been all over

13:19

the place with me. I used

13:21

to take it and read it.

13:23

on trips, read it at night,

13:25

read it, and I probably have

13:27

read that book, the Kranz book,

13:29

probably no less than 30 times.

13:31

Wow. And probably much closer to

13:33

50, because I would just plow

13:35

through that thing once or twice

13:37

a year. You know, I've been

13:39

doing this for 29 years now.

13:42

So, like, assuming that in the

13:44

early days, if I'd read that

13:46

book three or four times in

13:48

a year, or in certain chapters

13:50

more than others, by the way,

13:52

maybe I wouldn't do it cover

13:54

to cover, I've been through that

13:56

an awful lot. It's very, very,

13:58

very influential upon me. realizing that

14:00

like, oh yeah, you can do

14:02

so, because I've always been interested

14:04

in amateur science. I'm an amateur

14:06

astronomer. I've got a pretty good

14:08

telescope, for example, and I love

14:10

that. I'm certainly an amateur marine

14:12

biologist, which is hence my love

14:14

of fishing in general. And I

14:16

saw that there was a niche.

14:18

There was a place for amateurs

14:20

here to contribute, because frankly, the

14:22

academics aren't carrying their weight. They

14:24

aren't doing what they're supposed to

14:26

be doing, which is following their

14:28

curiosity to the extent they find

14:30

answers. Therefore, it's up to us.

14:32

And when I started reading about

14:34

the science that was being done,

14:36

it's, oh my gosh. What an

14:38

opportunity here. What an opportunity to

14:40

possibly contribute just a little tiny

14:42

bit for the good of a

14:44

subject that is larger than me.

14:46

Oh, absolutely. Stay tuned for more

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16:17

love both of Beninogel's books. The

16:19

first one's almost impossible to find

16:21

now you know I got a

16:23

copy many years ago and always

16:25

try to find a second one

16:27

but it's tricky because when they

16:29

do pop up they go for

16:31

so much money but his second

16:33

book the discovery of the saskwatch

16:35

is probably my personal favorite book

16:37

ever written on the subject. It's

16:39

almost like a survey of the

16:41

philosophy of science itself in a

16:43

lot of ways. Yeah it's very

16:45

conceptual, very philosophical but he does

16:47

present. a lot of factual information

16:49

to be derived from reports and

16:51

from the physical evidence and so

16:53

it's sort of the blending of

16:55

both of those sort of worlds

16:57

of the hard evidence let's say

16:59

combined with the anecdotal evidence and

17:01

eyewitness testimony but various philosophies of

17:03

science and he makes just such

17:05

a great case about how could

17:07

these things be real and yet

17:09

unrecognized and I think that books

17:11

an incredible contribution I wish they

17:13

would put it in a Kindle

17:16

format so more people could access

17:18

it. Lila Hodgechicks Ford is an

17:20

excellent essay too. I mean that

17:22

Ford alone is awesome. You know,

17:24

I wish that would get digitized

17:26

and put on the internet as

17:28

a standalone document for people to

17:30

read. But his first book's amazing

17:32

too, which is the Sasquatch North

17:34

America's Great Eight, but it's very,

17:36

very difficult to find. So, but

17:38

readers could get the discovery of

17:40

the Sasquatch from Amazon still, but

17:42

hopefully they'll put those in digital

17:44

format. The problem with a lot

17:46

of the Sasquatch classics classics. Now

17:48

those two bindernogles books were published

17:50

to a company called Beach Comer,

17:52

so I don't know what their

17:54

process is like. I think that

17:56

was the Bendernogles thing. I think

17:58

they kind of self-published it. Hancock

18:00

House, what they've done for most

18:02

of their titles is to scan

18:04

and upload the books as PDF

18:06

images. So usually if you're in

18:08

an e-book format, it's a text

18:10

file, so you can search within

18:12

it, which is amazing. Or you

18:14

can highlight notes and export those

18:16

or just go to your highlighted

18:18

sections. But literally, if you get

18:21

apes among us or Kranz's book

18:23

on Kindle or e-book format, there

18:25

are image files of the pages. So

18:27

they're very, you can't. highlight notes,

18:29

you can't, they're not searchable, which

18:31

is a little frustrating because that's

18:34

part of the benefit of reading the

18:36

e-book version. So maybe they'll do something about

18:38

that at some point in the future, but I

18:40

would definitely, if I had to pick

18:42

one for me, that was a personal favorite, it

18:44

would without a doubt be the discovery

18:46

of the Saswatch. Well, you know, if

18:48

we're talking about binder noglin cransy, we

18:50

have to talk about Meldrum's book. Absolutely.

18:52

Yeah, Meldrum's book is just fantastic. It's

18:55

the number one book I recommend to

18:57

people. I mean, I'm clearly a Kranzite,

18:59

you know, like if you're, I always,

19:01

I think I may have said this

19:03

before, but if you're looking at the

19:05

four horsemen, I think most people kind

19:07

of fall in line behind one of

19:09

them, and I definitely fall in line

19:11

behind Kranz, and Meldrum is the next

19:13

in line in that same line. Indeed, I'm

19:15

a greenian. Yeah, in fact, the second edition,

19:18

the second edition of Kranz's book acknowledges

19:20

Dr. Meldrum because in the first edition,

19:22

Jeff wasn't on the scene yet. He

19:24

wrote that in probably 91 or 92.

19:26

I think he published in 91 or

19:28

92, so he's writing in the late 80s,

19:31

early 90s. And the second edition, he,

19:33

there's a little addendum there. And he

19:35

mentions, Jeff is on the scene now,

19:37

a trained anatomist looking at these things.

19:39

And he acknowledges that Dr. Meldrum's. recognition

19:41

of the mid-tarsal break. And of course

19:43

if you read Kranz's book, if you

19:45

go back and read those early chapters

19:47

on footprints in Kranz's book, he does

19:49

acknowledge it as well, but he doesn't

19:52

come to the name of it. He

19:54

doesn't do the mid-tarsal joints, he doesn't

19:56

talk about pressure ridges and all that

19:58

stuff. He does talk about... I think

20:00

the words are something like, maybe again,

20:02

I don't have the book in front

20:04

of me, but the word is something

20:06

like a considerable flexibility in the mid

20:08

part of the foot, I believe is

20:10

what he said, something to that effect.

20:12

So he does recognize it, and he

20:14

does give, Kranz gave himself a little

20:17

pat on his back in that little

20:19

chapter where he talks about Jeff in

20:21

his work. But yeah, Meldrum's book built

20:23

upon what Kranz had done and expanded

20:25

upon it. And for what it it's

20:28

worth, rumor is Jeff's writing another book

20:30

that will be released around the same

20:32

time as Doug Heitchk's Legend Meats Science

20:34

documentary. That's no rumor has happened. Yeah,

20:36

well, if it's out there, good. I

20:39

mean, I knew it was happening, but

20:41

I didn't know if it was officially

20:43

mentioned or not yet. Yeah, so I'm

20:45

looking on that, looking forward to that,

20:48

because Dr. Meldrum will certainly build upon

20:50

his own work, because his book is,

20:52

I mean, it's not, it's not, dated

20:55

to the point of being useless, but

20:57

what was it published in 2006

20:59

or 2008? Six. Yeah, that's, you

21:01

know, it's 2023 right now. That's kind

21:04

of a long time ago. And

21:06

so much has happened and there

21:08

have been so many advances in science

21:10

and various disciplines that can, that

21:12

come to bear on this topic. So

21:14

I'm very much looking forward to Dr.

21:16

Mildrum's next book. Yeah, those would

21:19

be my five required reading to me

21:21

if you read. these five books you

21:23

would have a very thorough education, the

21:25

ones we talked about, Sanderson, Greens, Apes

21:27

Among Us, Kranz, Meldrum, and Bitter

21:29

Nogels, Discovery of the Sasquatch. And

21:31

then there's other books I love, you

21:34

know, those sort of narrative journeys that

21:36

aren't necessarily a deep dive into the

21:38

subject, but are sort of, again, sort

21:40

of following a narrator who's seeing the

21:43

subject in a broad view through their

21:45

own particular lens. We already talked about

21:47

I absolutely love John Zeta's book and the

21:49

valleys in the Noble Beyond and I know

21:51

we all loved Robert Piles where Bigfoot

21:54

walks. That's another great one in

21:56

that category. Did you see the movie? I still

21:58

haven't watched the movie because we did

22:00

that interview with him and hearing

22:02

about, you know, he wasn't

22:04

lamenting, but hearing the differences

22:06

between the way he was represented in

22:08

the film and the way they toured

22:10

with the timeline of his life, sort

22:13

of turned me off a little bit.

22:15

Dude, he ruined Bob Pile in that

22:17

movie. He made it look like the

22:19

biggest kook. See, that's what I'm worried.

22:21

Did they also make him look like

22:24

totally inept in the outdoors? Yeah, totally,

22:26

totally clueless, like just a dark. Yeah, so.

22:28

Yeah, and Bob is anything but man, he

22:30

did that solo trip across Skippord Pin Show.

22:32

You don't do a solo trip if you're

22:35

some loser in the woods. Yeah. Yeah, so

22:37

listeners, if you haven't listened to the

22:39

Bob Pil episode that we did around the

22:41

time, we also did an interview with

22:43

the director of that film. But you

22:45

know, I do enjoy those books too,

22:48

because they're just very well written. So

22:50

it's not necessarily going to give you

22:52

an education on the Saswatch, but they're

22:54

very enjoyable, you know I think a

22:56

valuable mention I don't think it's one

22:58

of my top five or anything but

23:00

a definite worthy of mention especially for

23:02

people our age you know you know

23:05

what was my age and of course

23:07

you too now you're a little younger

23:09

than us but still legend Boggi Creek

23:11

has affected all of us in various

23:13

ways right I mean that was some

23:15

my earliest memories of the Bigfoot thing

23:17

and it's been just profound effect upon

23:19

my life in so many ways to

23:21

the point where when I met Keith

23:23

Crabtree, the guy in the

23:25

suit. Like, like, like, I

23:27

teared up. Like, I was so

23:30

moved by meeting the dude in

23:32

the suit, you know. Four, four,

23:34

they got thrown through the door.

23:36

Oh, yeah, that guy. I also

23:39

teared up then. I got his

23:41

autograph. Like, I got both, all

23:43

these, they're up in the museum.

23:45

They mean so much to me.

23:47

You know, in this, that sort

23:50

of way. And another book

23:52

I love is the Yawi. That

23:54

is one of my favorite mystery

23:56

eight books of all time,

23:58

the 2006 Yawi. still reading the

24:00

Yowie file, you know, it is just

24:02

sort of a, not to denigrate it,

24:05

but it is just a compendium of

24:07

reports, whereas the original book that they

24:09

wrote the Yowie in 2006 is just,

24:11

that is absolutely one of my favorite

24:13

books on the subject of mystery. Historically

24:16

speaking, one of the most amazing

24:18

collections of information that I've seen that

24:20

suffers from, and I don't know if

24:22

this person listens, but if you listen,

24:24

I'm sorry, but suffers from I think one

24:27

of the worst titles. was there was

24:29

a book that was released a

24:31

few years ago called Far Out

24:33

Shaggy Funky Monsters. Oh yeah, yeah,

24:35

what would that guy, Daniel Green?

24:38

Yeah, Daniel Green, there you go.

24:40

Man, there's so much incredible information.

24:42

And it's a compendium of personal

24:44

correspondence, print media

24:47

articles, happenings, newsletters, bulletins,

24:49

all they just. tremendous amount

24:51

of information from the end

24:53

of 1969 until the very

24:55

beginning of 1980. So it

24:57

really covers the 1970s. And so

24:59

the title is sort of a nod

25:01

to terminology of pop culture in the

25:03

70s. But I think a lot of

25:06

people have missed that book because the

25:08

title is so goofy. Sorry, Daniel, if

25:10

you're listening. Because, oh,

25:12

great book, great book. Absolutely. I

25:14

learned so many things that I

25:16

wasn't previously aware of. Yeah, because the

25:19

70s, the 60s and 70s are like kind

25:21

of a heyday of the Bigfoot thing when

25:23

it first became public knowledge that these things

25:25

may be out there. It's when, certainly when

25:28

I was growing up throughout the 1970s, I

25:30

saw the various schlocumenaries and loved them all.

25:32

And that book encapsulates the feel, which is

25:34

what I think he was trying to do

25:37

with the title, of course, you know. But

25:39

to see the primary sources in a

25:41

way of the newspaper articles reporting the

25:43

things that we would later read about

25:45

in other books. I think that is a really

25:48

really great book and certainly one that I I

25:50

love thumbing through. It's not a cover to cover

25:52

sort of book. It's one that you just pick

25:54

up and like, oh, I remember that. That was

25:56

cool. And there's a lot of great regional

25:58

books too. I mean, I have to mention. my

26:00

dear friend Mike Mays book, Valley of

26:02

the Apes, which is about the NAWAC's

26:04

work in Area X. It's a great

26:06

book. I loved reading that. You know,

26:08

I know a lot of those people

26:10

and I've been there many times, but

26:12

Mike put it into a great narrative.

26:14

And I also really love, I know

26:16

you do too, raincoast Sasquatch. That's a

26:18

great book. Yeah, that's one of the

26:20

better ones I think. And it really

26:22

opened my eyes to the ability for

26:25

these things to swim, for example. That's

26:27

why I first started reading reports of

26:29

these things swimming, I think. And there's

26:31

been a few things here and there,

26:33

of course, you know, even the Bosburg

26:35

creature went in out of Lake Roosevelt,

26:37

which is, of course, the Columbia River.

26:39

But it's just dammed up at that

26:41

point. Yeah, I love that book. That's

26:43

top ten for me, too. You know,

26:45

a book that I read that I

26:47

just love, and I do go back

26:49

to occasionally, because if we're talking about

26:51

the history, the subject, and whatnot, you

26:53

know, the whole Bigfoot thing, yeah, of

26:55

course, Sasquatch, that term was coined in

26:57

the 1920s, and Bigfoot kind of came

27:00

on the scene in 1958, and Bigfoot

27:02

kind of came on the scene in

27:04

1958, and the search for the Yeti

27:06

by Lauren Coleman. Good book. Yeah, great

27:08

book. I think it has some of

27:10

the best yeti knowledge in written anywhere

27:12

anywhere on that particular part because Lauren

27:14

is a fantastic, what was the word

27:16

I'm looking for, not just author, but

27:18

like his perspective of history. is fantastic

27:20

and the fact that he was actually

27:22

doing stuff back in that time too.

27:24

He was a young man, I think,

27:26

at that point. He's been looking to

27:28

this thing for 70 years, I think

27:30

he told me. And there's nobody like

27:33

that available nowadays. Yeah, so Tom's like

27:35

on the search for the Eddie is

27:37

a fantastic book because it's part biography

27:39

of Tom Slick and then parts informational

27:41

about the investigations into the Yeti at

27:43

that time, which dovetailed into the Saswatch

27:45

thing that we're all enjoying today. Yeah,

27:47

I wrote that book probably three times.

27:49

I thought I was... great and then

27:51

I you don't link to that but

27:53

it's it's a good one except for

27:55

the endings of bum out is that

27:57

was Heinrich Messner the Ryanhold Messner Ryanhold

27:59

Messer yeah his Yeti book and he

28:01

kind of he got so much crap

28:03

and it's a great book but then

28:05

he tries to write it off at

28:08

the end as a whistling upright running

28:10

bear that he saw like so he

28:12

would quit catching crap from all the

28:14

people about saying he saw a Yeti.

28:16

Yeah, that was a super big disappointment

28:18

because at the beginning he was saying,

28:20

oh yeah, was upright, it had blah,

28:22

but he was describing a sad, or

28:24

a yeti, or a sasquatch, he was

28:26

describing something that could not possibly be

28:28

a bear in any way, and at

28:30

the end he goes, yeah, it was

28:32

a bear, and he goes, yeah, it

28:34

was a bear, he goes, yeah, it

28:36

was a bear, he goes, yeah, it

28:38

was a bear, so what are you

28:40

a bad, he goes, he goes, yeah,

28:43

he, he goes, he goes, he goes,

28:45

he, he goes, he's, he's, he's, he's,

28:47

he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

28:49

he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

28:51

he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

28:53

he's, he's, he's, he's, he I did,

28:55

I did, I thought, yeah, I said

28:57

all kinds of stuff, but I was

28:59

like, oh, yeah, I was so bungasad,

29:01

like I was a hero, and then

29:03

all of a sudden I was like,

29:05

dude, you're being a beotch, like, just

29:07

because you can't stand up by, like,

29:09

dude, he saw it, he saw it,

29:11

and stick to your guns, but it

29:13

was still a great book, because he's

29:16

been so, it was, it was a

29:18

good father to make you really want

29:20

to go there, and check it, and

29:22

check it, and check it, Stay

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safety information. Yeah, I was going to

30:53

see if you guys had favorite books

30:55

that were not about the Sasquatch, but

30:58

directly related to it. You know, they're

31:00

analogous. Hmm. I don't read much nonfiction.

31:02

No, no, these are not fictional. I

31:05

mean, they're just, they're about other animals.

31:07

Like, I would recommend all our listeners

31:09

read David Peterson's Ghost Grizzlies about the

31:12

potential survival of Grizzlies in the South

31:14

San Juan's or Southern Colorado. Any of

31:16

the Jim Corbett books, especially man-eaters of

31:19

command, some of the most riveting nature

31:21

writing. David Klamman's Monster of God is

31:23

a fantastic book. about belief systems associated

31:26

with certain animals. You know, I referenced

31:28

some of that stuff in my book.

31:30

And then there's a great writer named

31:33

Simon Gomery who wrote an awesome book

31:35

called Spell of the Tiger. She wrote

31:37

a book called The Search for the

31:40

Golden Moon Bear, which has this sort

31:42

of like cryptozoological angle, I guess, because

31:44

it's the search for this as yet

31:47

sort of undiscovered species of bear, or

31:49

I guess at the time it was

31:51

somewhat undiscovered or thought to have been

31:54

lost, maybe like a Lazarus species. I

31:56

don't know a lot about it yet,

31:58

but I'm about to dive into it,

32:01

but the spell of the tiger was

32:03

amazing. She went to the Sundarbons, which

32:05

is like the tiger death capital of

32:08

Asia capital of Asia. her writing is

32:10

fantastic. So I'm looking forward to digging

32:12

into that. But I just think there's

32:14

so many consistencies between a lot of

32:17

these studies and lessons to be learned

32:19

about how people find these other sort

32:21

of hidden animals or very rare animals

32:24

that are just directly applicable. And it's

32:26

great fun to read those things. I

32:28

don't have any books like that that

32:31

have really grabbed me or I can

32:33

think about the top of my head.

32:35

But what did come to mind are

32:38

a couple books by Ian Tatersal. Ian

32:40

Tadersaw, I think he's head of the

32:42

Human Origins Department at the Museum in

32:45

New York, the Natural History Museum in

32:47

New York, or maybe American Natural History

32:49

Museum in New York. I'm not sure

32:52

what the title, I forget it is,

32:54

but he wrote a book. The first

32:56

one I read of him is called

32:59

Masters of the Planet. And basically his

33:01

premise there is that humans are special,

33:03

not because of our tool use or

33:06

fire or anything like that is mostly

33:08

for symbolic thought, being able to put...

33:10

larger ideas into symbols, whether those symbols

33:13

are visual, like photographs or pictures or

33:15

hand signals, or if they're auditory, which

33:17

comes down the language. Because if I

33:20

say the, if I say the, the

33:22

word, I don't know, tree, those sounds

33:24

I just made, to e, like that's

33:27

not a tree. But the idea that

33:29

that, those sounds, symbolize. are translated into

33:31

our brain as a tree and he

33:34

was arguing that that perhaps is the

33:36

origin of our humanity I guess in

33:38

some sort of way maybe the kernel

33:41

of our humanity for lack of a

33:43

better term so I really enjoyed that

33:45

book because It, as well as my

33:48

other favorite book by him, which is

33:50

called The Case of the rickety Cossack.

33:52

What both of these books kind of

33:55

eventually fall into, the case of the

33:57

rickety Cossack is also in a book

33:59

by Ian Tatarsall, what both of these

34:02

books eventually fall into is almost like

34:04

a brief history of paleoanthropology. which I

34:06

think is a fantastic topic and one

34:09

that most Bigfooters if not all Bigfooters

34:11

should probably dip their toes into a

34:13

little bit because not only does a

34:16

shed light upon ourselves as Homo sapiens

34:18

but also Sasquatches for whatever they are.

34:20

But finding out the history of paleoanthropology

34:23

through these books and what we think

34:25

we may have learned about our ancestors

34:27

and near relatives. directly relates to Sasquatches

34:30

in many many ways. It was, I

34:32

think it was masters of the planet,

34:34

if I remember correctly, that that book

34:37

is what kind of sheds some light

34:39

on this idea of mine that Sasquatches

34:41

are probably power scavenging on coyote, you

34:44

know, prey, essentially power scavenging. I've mentioned

34:46

before is this strategy of of animals

34:48

and hyenas do it for example. Humans

34:51

did it. We still probably do in

34:53

some places in the world. Australopitocene did

34:55

it where they basically let some other

34:58

animal kill the prey and then we'd

35:00

move in and throw rocks and sticks

35:02

and try to make off with the

35:05

biggest part we can and then let

35:07

the the predator have the rest of

35:09

the kill. And I think Sasquatches are

35:12

doing that. I think that is the

35:14

connection between coyotes and Bigfoots for the

35:16

most part. And it was this book,

35:19

Masters of the Planet, where I picked

35:21

up on that idea and started developing

35:23

and reformulating it for as a Sasquatch,

35:26

molding it into what might be applicable

35:28

to our... big friends in the woods

35:30

here. And of course, the case of

35:33

the rickety Cossack, that is definitely a

35:35

kind of a history of paleoanthropology, written

35:37

in a narrative sort of way, which

35:40

is really neat. That's a really great

35:42

book. And it shows you not only

35:44

how much we've learned, but also how

35:47

little we have to learn from. I

35:49

hear people say, oh, evolution, it's just

35:51

a theory. Well, that's because we're missing

35:53

so many pieces of it. I mean,

35:56

evolution is a fact, period. It's just

35:58

like the details that we're still shaping.

36:00

There's really no denying it, when faced

36:03

with the evidence like that. And I

36:05

hope I'm not stepping on anybody's toes,

36:07

but... Sorry, it's true. But the case

36:10

of the rickety Cossacks shows you the

36:12

development of our ideas about ourselves and

36:14

our origins over time and also some

36:17

of the relatives that we have in

36:19

common. And all that stuff is just

36:21

so fascinating to me. And the way

36:24

he packaged it and presents it is

36:26

very palatable. It's just, it's not exactly,

36:28

it is an easy read. It's really

36:31

not a difficult read. It's not, it's

36:33

nothing that, you know, it's not an

36:35

archaic language and it's not like as

36:38

a sentence structure is weird and you

36:40

have to get in your head. It's

36:42

a great reading, both of these are

36:45

fantastic books. Absolutely. Have you read David

36:47

Began's The Real Planet of the Apes?

36:49

Oh, I have, actually. Yeah, I actually

36:52

have read that. It is my library

36:54

at home. Yeah, that's one of my

36:56

favorite books about ape evolution. He makes

36:59

a really strong argument for the evolution

37:01

of apes, predominantly occurring in Eurasia, but

37:03

it's a fantastic book about the Asian

37:06

apes and the Eurasian apes, apes that

37:08

evolved in parts of Europe as well,

37:10

but that's one of my favorite paleoanthropological

37:13

books for sure. There is another book

37:15

I read and I really enjoyed it.

37:17

I think some of his thesis might

37:20

not bear out, but the information I

37:22

picked up from was really nice. I

37:24

forget who wrote it. I can look

37:27

it up real fast, but it's called

37:29

The Red ape. Yeah, I forget. It

37:31

was basically about Arangutans. And this is

37:34

when I was, I wanted to find

37:36

out more stuff about giganticins, and I

37:38

knew that they were closely related to

37:41

Arangutans. So I wanted to read about

37:43

those and see what was up with

37:45

that sort of stuff. The red ape,

37:48

Jeffrey Schwartz, is the author of that

37:50

one. And after reading that book, I

37:52

was just enamored. by Arangutans. And I

37:55

could see that, okay, maybe they are

37:57

somehow related to the Sasquatches in some

37:59

sort of way. Maybe the Sasquatch Gigano

38:02

connection is of the real deal because

38:04

of the behaviors and the intelligence level

38:06

and whatnot, of arangutans, because they seem

38:09

to be, depending on how one measures

38:11

it, the smartest of the apes. And

38:13

just so fascinating in so many

38:15

ways and the small details of

38:17

their anatomy that they go into,

38:19

it's a really great read. Now

38:21

I happen to mention that one

38:23

time, the Dr. Meldrum, because we've

38:25

been camping together a few times

38:28

and around the campfire, we start,

38:30

this is the direction of conversation

38:32

very often, human evolution and apes

38:34

and all that sort of stuff,

38:36

because I've got so many questions

38:38

and he loves to talk about

38:40

it and, you know, it's a

38:42

rousing campfirefire discussion. Yeah. So, but nonetheless,

38:44

and again, I think it was probably because

38:46

there was some argument or at least suggestion

38:49

in the book that perhaps humans are more

38:51

closely related to orangutans than we might suspect

38:53

or that then the current evidence points to

38:56

because of some sort of anatomical detail in

38:58

the craniums, or the skull, actually the roof

39:00

of the mouth somehow, where the sinuses go

39:02

in at this particular place and no other

39:05

ape species, but humans and or orangutans have

39:07

this. The anatomy of it was a little

39:09

bit above my head and I'm pretty sure

39:11

that's probably what you have. had some disagreement

39:14

with. I need to read that book. I have not read

39:16

that one. That sounds like a very interesting book

39:18

for sure. Yeah, it is. Well, I've got a

39:20

copy of it. You know, when you're out for

39:22

Squatch Fest, I could lend you mind if you

39:24

want. Well, if it's on Kindle, I'll buy it. I

39:26

really love reading on Kindle because I can

39:28

read anytime, anywhere. Like, I've probably got 250

39:30

books on my Kindle app. And the other thing is

39:33

I do a lot of reading at night of reading

39:35

at night. because like when we go to bed I'm

39:37

usually not very sleepy so I'll get like an hour hour

39:39

and a half of reading in before I actually fall asleep

39:41

and I don't need a light because it's on the phone

39:44

you know so that's kind of nice but I don't

39:46

like reading on my phone or my tablet I'd like

39:48

to have something in my hands I love the Kindle

39:50

like I said because you can highlight portions

39:52

you know that you find particularly useful or

39:54

meaningful and then it saves all your highlights

39:56

and then when you're done with the book

39:58

you can export you can export it. Oh, I

40:00

didn't know that. Yeah, so you can

40:02

just email it to yourself and like,

40:04

oh, here's all the highlights with references.

40:07

So I can go, here's all the

40:09

portions of that book I found particularly

40:11

meaningful. And then if I ever open

40:14

up the book, again, I can just

40:16

go straight to my highlights and go

40:18

back to those portions of the book

40:20

when I reread it or something like

40:23

that. But it's just, it's super convenient

40:25

that way. Yeah, I can see the

40:27

convenient part of, but there's something about

40:29

the smell of the smell of the

40:32

smell of a book. Yeah, if something

40:34

comes out new, I'll buy it on

40:36

Kindle so I can have it like

40:39

the second it comes out. But physical

40:41

books, I love used bookstores because, you

40:43

know, like if I'm on Amazon, it's

40:45

because I'm looking for something specific. Like,

40:48

oh, I heard someone so just release

40:50

such and such today. I'll go buy

40:52

it at the bookstore. I'm like, I'm

40:55

gonna look at every title in, you

40:57

know, the natural sciences. And if something

40:59

jumps out at me that I've never

41:01

seen or never seen or never heard

41:04

of or never heard of or never

41:06

heard of or that sounds relevant, that

41:08

sounds relevant, That's how I discover things

41:10

is through the used bookstore. So most

41:13

of the stuff, like I'll order new

41:15

books if it's not available in kennel

41:17

format, but like I've got tons of

41:20

books, but most of them I get

41:22

used bookstores, it drives my wife crazy

41:24

because I have to go into every

41:26

used bookstore that we encounter on the

41:29

road. Because I'm like, you never know

41:31

what you're going to find. And you

41:33

know, I found a, a signed, first

41:36

edition of Jane Goodalls in the Shadow

41:38

of Man for a dollar. I guess

41:40

they didn't know it was and so

41:42

I went to my favorite bookstore in

41:45

Nashville the other day and I found

41:47

a signed copy of ghost Grizzlies which

41:49

already had but it was only three

41:51

bucks and I was like I'll get

41:54

a second copy of ghost Grizzlies because

41:56

it's signed to like Bob and Irma

41:58

whoever they are yeah if you're ever

42:01

at a bookstore used bookstore and you

42:03

see a book you already have check

42:05

the inside cover before you go oh

42:07

I don't need that already have a

42:10

copy because it's it's happened to me

42:12

multiple times now so. You don't find

42:14

those old Bigfoot books like that anymore.

42:16

Everyone goes on eBay and looks at

42:19

the price now and they go, oh,

42:21

I can jack up the price of

42:23

this. Yeah, all the cool used Bigfoot

42:26

books I got were in weird places.

42:28

I mean, I found... I found De

42:30

Hinden's book in North Georgia, which I

42:32

thought was kind of an odd place.

42:35

I found several cool green, John Green

42:37

books in Montana and Wyoming. And then

42:39

when I moved to Washington, I worked

42:42

next door to a used bookstore, and

42:44

I introduced myself to the guy, and

42:46

I was like, oh, hey, here's what

42:48

I do. And he's like, oh, we

42:51

get these in all the time. If

42:53

anything comes in, I will just put

42:55

it aside. I will just put it

42:57

aside. live there. I used to go

43:00

to Pike's Place, you know, there's a

43:02

cool use book store there. Never saw

43:04

Bigfoot books. So people don't let those

43:07

things go very easily. Mente, Scott Minton,

43:09

a good friend of mine. He's the

43:11

guy with the record store in Sandy.

43:13

And actually he got customers from her

43:16

podcast. Somebody came in and came to

43:18

the museum and they were going to

43:20

go to the Scots record store next

43:22

because they heard us talking about on

43:25

the podcast. How cool is that? Yeah

43:27

but he goes to the Sandy library

43:29

because we live in Sandy's and so

43:32

does he he goes to the Sandy

43:34

library all the time because they often

43:36

sell used books and he found an

43:38

old copy of a vulnerable snowman legend

43:41

comes to life back there with a

43:43

new cover out by lovingly put on

43:45

by the library put on by the

43:48

librarian there and with a laminated cover

43:50

and all this sort of stuff and

43:52

got it for like a dollar or

43:54

something like that and and he was

43:57

he picked it and goes oh my

43:59

gosh what is this and the library

44:01

says I knew somebody would love that

44:03

one. Yeah, I picked up Wevelmans, I

44:06

think it was Wevelmans, that his book

44:08

on sea serpents. I got one of

44:10

those at a library sale one time

44:13

too, another fantastic resource for use books.

44:15

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44:17

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45:35

know what we're forgetting is I still

45:37

love the locals by Tom Powell. Yeah.

45:39

Yeah. Tom. Yeah, as paranormal as Tom

45:41

has eventually ended up, that book was

45:44

groundbreaking in its time. I think it

45:46

may have been the first book to

45:48

mention this idea of habituation. I think

45:50

so. I think it was the first.

45:53

That wasn't really out there until Tom

45:55

started writing about the Chehalis project, which

45:57

was a BFRO project back in around

46:00

2000. A very successful project that frankly

46:02

didn't get its credit. because Tom through

46:04

the benefactor Richard Hucklebridge who's still out

46:06

there kicking somewhere. California somewhere, they bought

46:09

all this fancy IR night vision camera

46:11

stuff that is archaic by today's standards.

46:13

They set that stuff up and lo

46:15

and behold, they actually got really, really

46:18

poor quality photographs of a Sasquatch. I

46:20

think it's the first time that has

46:22

ever happened with Night Vision and stuff.

46:25

And we have a whole display devoted

46:27

to that, those photographs, two photographs that

46:29

they got. We have a whole display

46:31

in the NABC devoted to that, including

46:34

the original equipment they used to get

46:36

it. Oh, another book I have to

46:38

mention. I can't believe I forgot it.

46:41

That's just my other favorite mystery ape

46:43

worldwide book is Gregory Fourth images of

46:45

the Wild Man in Southeast. That book

46:47

is so it's unfortunate that that was

46:50

published through the university press because you

46:52

know he's got his new sort of

46:54

popular nonfiction book between ape and human.

46:56

But his prior book in 2009 images

46:59

of the Wild Man in Southeast Asia

47:01

is amazing but even brand new it's

47:03

at university press prices so it's like

47:06

$60 and even. the Kindle version is

47:08

around the same price which is fairly

47:10

ridiculous but that's what you see all

47:12

university press books set out but it

47:15

is absolutely worth reading it's extremely well

47:17

written as one of my favorites yeah

47:19

you know it's a great a great

47:22

resources chat arments historical Bigfoot all the

47:24

he's got like 1,800 neutral articles pre

47:26

1970 I think or something like that

47:28

in there you don't talk about it's

47:31

like yeah that's a great book It's

47:33

like, what is it, like 1,200 pages

47:35

or something? I mean, it's thin. It's

47:37

pretty great. We have some displays in

47:40

the museum, but I don't go full

47:42

of, like, full bore on those because,

47:44

well, people have done it better. You

47:47

know, like, why would I put out,

47:49

like, a handful of articles for people

47:51

to see when there's entire books devoted

47:53

to that? Yeah. Did you guys ever

47:56

read Jean Paul Debenets, the Asian Wild

47:58

Man? Oh, very. Very cool. Yeah, I

48:00

just have the Kindle version. I've never

48:02

found a physical copy, but maybe when

48:05

I'm out there for Squash Fest, I'll pick up

48:07

one since you have it on the shelf, because

48:09

I love that book. That was a really well-written

48:12

book. Yeah. We can spend a lifetime talking about

48:14

this, but you know, it is coming to the

48:16

end of our hour here. I know I'm forgetting,

48:18

I know I'm forgetting, like, probably two

48:20

books that I really like that I'm spacing.

48:22

Well, you know, maybe that's a good topic for

48:25

a future one, then. It's just, why don't

48:27

we hop on and we can focus on

48:29

a couple different books? We hit the big

48:31

ones, though. I think we did. I think

48:33

we hit most of the big ones. I'm

48:35

sure there's some that we're forgetting, you know,

48:38

like Roger Matt Patti, I think that's a

48:40

must read, for example. Ken Gerhard's book on

48:42

Sas or Bigfoot there is one of the

48:44

best ones written recently written recently, that's a...

48:46

fantastic overview of the subject in general. There's

48:48

all, and as far as the regional stuff

48:51

goes, the British Columbia stuff that features Bob

48:53

Timbins on the cover that was put together

48:55

by Chris Murphy or Steenberg's books. There's just

48:57

so many that we can mention and go

48:59

deeply into. Yeah, the doc in West Virginia,

49:01

Rush Jones, he's like his, like I enjoy

49:04

his. Yeah, there's just too many books to

49:06

go into, but I don't know, maybe a

49:08

future episode if our listeners would like to

49:10

hear us go on about this sort of

49:12

stuff. If we can go maybe do a

49:14

deep dive into a handful of these, you

49:17

know, that might be a lot of fun. Yeah. This

49:19

is a great first meeting of Clubos Book Club.

49:21

Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to call it monster

49:23

piece theater, except that Sesame Street already

49:25

grabbed that one. Yeah, we can guess

49:27

what you guys wanted here, or you

49:29

can just let us know. Yeah, because

49:32

that's anything about being members. You have

49:34

direct access to us, essentially. You can

49:36

write on Patreon, Matt Pruitt reads every

49:38

single thing, and he pokes us about

49:41

us, like, hey, this is an idea,

49:43

or this person said this, this person

49:45

said this, this person said that. We

49:47

get emails that were sent by you

49:50

guys to the thing. When Matt says,

49:52

oh, the guys would love it. He

49:54

sends it. He sends it to us.

49:56

We get the information that you

49:59

send it. You know, we are

50:01

here specifically for you. And so what

50:03

can we do for you? How can

50:05

we best serve? you. We are always

50:07

looking for ideas because we're four years

50:09

in man it's hard to scramble for

50:11

new stuff every single week but we're

50:13

doing it and I think we're doing

50:15

it pretty well but we could always

50:17

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50:19

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50:21

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50:24

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50:30

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50:32

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50:36

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50:38

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50:40

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50:43

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50:45

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50:47

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