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Big foot and

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be hard. The

1:03

greatest in the

1:05

podcast. Wherever you're

1:07

listening or watching,

1:09

remember always keep

1:11

it's watching. Yeah.

1:13

Oh good, how's going? Not so bad,

1:16

not so bad. Finally got out

1:18

to the woods again. That's looking

1:20

good. Weird tree breaks, super

1:23

weird things are happening. Local

1:25

stories are starting to trickle in

1:27

there's always something going on man

1:29

always something going on so Kind of

1:32

exciting. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty

1:34

stoked man I needed to walk around in

1:36

the woods I needed to clear my head

1:38

I needed to get my eyes on the

1:41

ground looking for footprints found a possible 14

1:43

inch print One of our local spots

1:45

last week and then this week found

1:47

some other possible thing nothing you can

1:49

hang your hat on Nothing you can hang

1:51

your hat, but still. It's good to be out

1:53

in the woods, man. And the weather's changing. We

1:56

got spring now. We got the good weather looking

1:58

at us for the next six or eight. months.

2:00

Some sunlight? Yeah, sunlight has been

2:02

beautiful and blue skies lately and

2:04

got a great friend on the podcast

2:07

today. Everything's going good, man. Everything's coming

2:09

up Cliff and Bobo. What about you,

2:11

man? I'm working with this new, well, no,

2:13

he's a kid I was working with before,

2:15

but the kid that's in the big footage

2:17

school. Yeah. And he's obsessed with

2:19

mountain monsters. So I was going to

2:21

give a call to a Wild Wild

2:24

Bill, like, just he talked to him

2:26

for a couple minutes. Well yeah, Bill

2:28

will sign some autographs or something for

2:31

him too, you know. I'm gonna see

2:33

those guys in April. I'm doing that

2:35

gig out in Colorado and

2:37

Estes Park in April.

2:39

Are there going to Estes?

2:42

Yeah, yeah. Awesome, that's great.

2:44

That's great. That's great. That's

2:47

great. That's great. I think

2:49

Marie is there and that's there

2:51

and that's there. Yeah, awesome.

2:54

That's great. a couple autographs

2:56

from those guys if I

2:58

remember. Oh cool, who's like Cliff

3:00

Coffee today? Yeah, well dude, I'm stoked,

3:02

you know where I am right now? Where?

3:04

I'm, first of all, I'm in Sandy,

3:07

Oregon, that's one part, and that is

3:09

my hometown, or at least that's the

3:11

town I live in, I choose to

3:13

live in, but I am sitting in

3:16

the record shop, I'm sitting in a

3:18

record shop in Sandy, which is probably

3:20

one of the best vinyl shops,

3:22

like, certainly locally. I mean, sure,

3:24

there's things like a Miba record

3:26

and all that sort of stuff,

3:28

like the giant warehouse sort of

3:30

things. But as far as a

3:32

local little shop, I'm sitting in there

3:35

now with the lovely and talented

3:37

Scott Minton, often referred to as

3:39

Minti. Minti fresh. Yeah. Right. That shops

3:41

right up when you're going north, like

3:43

if you're heading up towards the

3:45

mountains on that one-way street, right?

3:48

That is absolutely correct. I've been

3:50

in there. It's a skateboard

3:52

shop, skateboard museum, and vinyl

3:54

record shop all in one.

3:56

That places killer. I've been in

3:59

there. And I'm... sitting here right now.

4:01

So how could I not be excited,

4:03

right? And by the way, here he

4:05

is. Scott, thanks for coming on, man.

4:07

I really, really, really appreciate it. It's

4:09

been a long time that we've been

4:12

trying to get you on the

4:14

show here. I'm super excited to

4:16

be here. Thanks for being persistent,

4:18

being persistent. I think you've been

4:20

asking me for four or five

4:22

years now. Yeah, a long time.

4:24

I just haven't been able to make

4:26

time or for 300. feels like forever.

4:28

It does feel like forever. What's up

4:31

both? It's good to see you buddy. Good to

4:33

hear you. I know what you look like. Your image

4:35

is burnt into my visage. Well you

4:37

know we didn't get we didn't bring

4:39

Scott on to talk about the record shop

4:41

or the skateboarding shop and all the

4:43

way that really should be spoken about

4:45

a little bit I think because there's

4:47

a new skate park here in Sandy

4:49

and there's a lot of cool things

4:51

going on here. We brought him on

4:53

because Scott has been a big footer

4:55

for a very very long time and

4:57

besides that he's like most of my

5:00

friends he's an unusual weirdo right he's

5:02

the usual weirdo he's the usual weirdo

5:04

and he's had some pretty crazy encounters

5:06

some of which have been recorded that

5:08

we're gonna play for you guys here

5:10

but but I guess we should start

5:12

at the beginning like how the hell do we

5:14

know you man because I met you I think at

5:17

the same time right yeah yeah I met you guys

5:19

within like 24 hours And I was

5:21

thinking about that today. I had

5:23

to dig in my boxes

5:25

of notes. Luckily, I'm a

5:28

hoarder. And I just heard good

5:30

stuff, art and memories and

5:32

things. And it was 2008,

5:35

and I went on the

5:37

Mendocino BFRO expedition, which

5:39

at the time was

5:41

just a Northern California

5:44

expedition. And yeah, you

5:46

guys ended up being there.

5:48

And I found out. After, you

5:50

know, driving 11 hours or so

5:52

to go to this really

5:55

secluded place, it was like

5:57

a treasure hunt and ended

5:59

up... meeting all you guys, and then at the end of

6:01

the trip, we're kind of, you know, saying goodbye, like, hey,

6:03

yeah, you know, where you go in? I'm like, oh, I got to

6:05

drive, I got to drive like 11 hours, and you're like, Cliff, you

6:08

were like, yeah, I got to drive 11 hours, you're like, yeah, I

6:10

got to drive 11 hours, you're like, yeah, I got to drive

6:12

11 hours, I'm like, yeah, I got to drive, I got to drive,

6:14

I got to drive, I got to drive, I got to drive

6:16

11 hours, I got to drive, I got to drive, I got to

6:18

long, I got to long beach, I got to long, I got to

6:20

long beach, I got to long beach, I got to long beach, I

6:22

got to long beach, I got to long beach, I got to long

6:24

beach, I got to long beach, I got to, I

6:26

got to, I got to, I got to,

6:28

I got to Avenue. Or Semino or something.

6:31

Yeah, Fourth and Semino, yeah. Like, I gotta

6:33

drive to Fourth and Semino. And we lived

6:35

on the same street about a block from

6:37

each other. Oh, that's right. Yeah, it

6:39

was just, I was like, I guess

6:41

we're friends now. Yeah, and look, we're

6:43

friends still. Yeah, it was so easy.

6:46

All I had to do is just

6:48

follow the treasure map. So it's through

6:50

your friendship, and Bobos too. You guys made

6:52

a very cool entrance and I remember, I

6:54

think, you know, word got through the camp,

6:56

like, oh, Bobo came and like at that

6:59

time, I was interested in

7:01

Bigfoot before I knew about the VFRO,

7:03

but I didn't like reach out to

7:05

people and you guys were kind of

7:07

the first people I somehow discovered, like

7:09

on that early, I feel like early

7:11

days of the internet's the wrong thing

7:13

to say, but it really does feel

7:15

like we were like using dial up and

7:17

stuff and it was just, like very

7:19

ancient now, You know, I didn't know

7:21

that there were people who like, you

7:24

know, kind of spent as much time

7:26

doing this stuff as all of you

7:28

guys do. And therefore I didn't

7:30

know that there were people that

7:32

were like popular or quasi

7:34

celebrity in Bigfooting

7:37

and not the, you know, that's probably

7:39

the wrong term. But like,

7:41

Bobo has a story that precedes him,

7:43

you know, so like I heard, who is

7:45

that guy? And I just remember like. I'm

7:48

gonna go meet him and I got so

7:50

excited and I like drove down from wherever

7:52

I was down to this camps and we

7:54

I think we had the whole campsite because

7:56

we were you know we were the first

7:58

people in to this valley. I went flying

8:00

down there and I parked

8:03

my car and jumped out

8:05

and I'm like, oh, hey, what's up,

8:07

man? And you're like, I

8:09

don't know, what's up? And

8:12

you're just standing there and

8:14

I'm like, damn, you're tall.

8:16

And you're like, damn, you're

8:18

tall. And you're like, let

8:21

me give you a little

8:23

advice when you're driving through

8:25

a camp site, but want to

8:27

take it a step back. But

8:29

I think it was a great way to

8:32

meet you because you're like, obviously

8:34

you're you, you got a great

8:36

heart and... It's a good time police.

8:38

Yeah, definitely. And after I talk to

8:41

you for five minutes, I'm like, I'll

8:43

be friends with it, they're

8:45

probably forever. And it was just

8:47

great. Yeah, Bobo is in fact

8:49

a good time police, as long

8:51

as everybody, and I mean

8:54

everybody is having a good time,

8:56

nobody gets their ass kicked. Bobo's

8:58

going to have some words and it may

9:00

come to blows. I've seen it happen before

9:03

man so Bobo's in fact a good time

9:05

police so you got luckily you're a

9:07

lovely person Scott. Yeah I got a

9:09

citation. I got a I got a

9:11

warning warning. Well let's talk about that

9:13

expedition because when I look back at

9:15

that expedition I know that we're in

9:17

California and I know that uh we're

9:20

on a reservation at something like right

9:22

outside the res I don't remember which

9:24

I remember which was Derek Randall there.

9:26

He might have been. I can remember

9:28

a big old white truck and I

9:30

thought that was Derek's or something. So

9:33

I met him. I believe that was

9:35

the year that Bobo and I were,

9:37

we spent, what, seven weeks or 10,

9:39

14 weeks together or something? 10.

9:41

Oh, it's going to 10 weeks.

9:43

There you go. Yeah, we were

9:45

everywhere from the California Sierras all

9:47

the way up the British Columbia

9:49

and everywhere in between. That's when

9:51

I met Mike Green. That's when I

9:53

met Derek, Derek, that's, Derek Randall,

9:55

that. You know, of course,

9:57

of course, you and Matt.

10:00

Yeah, it was my first Matt

10:02

interaction. Tell us, tell us about,

10:04

give us a good buddy maker

10:06

story. Man, I, to this day,

10:08

I'm still amazed at the amount

10:10

of energy that Matt brings to

10:12

everything that he does. And like,

10:14

Bigfooting, particularly

10:17

in the BFRO, and just like

10:19

that level of sincerity and

10:21

care that he has about

10:23

all the stuff is like amazing.

10:25

And that comes across all the

10:27

time. when you see Matt eight in

10:29

the morning or you see Matt at

10:31

the middle of that's some action or

10:33

whatever he's 100% there and I feel

10:35

like that's he says exactly what

10:38

he thinks he has like no

10:40

filter and I come to appreciate that

10:42

in people because it's pretty honest

10:44

and it's like man I'd rather know

10:46

exactly what you think than think

10:48

you mean something else and find it

10:50

out later. It's just that

10:52

that's sincerity and I'm a high

10:55

energy person, Matt's a high energy person,

10:57

so I was like, dude, this dude's

10:59

cool. And he'd like set up the

11:01

treasure hunt, you know, what I mean? Like

11:03

he made the flats or whatever, you

11:05

know, his his BFRO brainchild, it

11:07

was pretty cool. But then like, I

11:09

didn't realize I could like be a

11:11

part of that and like I could

11:13

go look for monsters. I don't just

11:15

have to read about him in a book.

11:17

Like, that's kind of cool. And then

11:20

like I was kind of thinking of

11:22

thinking. in the BFRO with like a

11:24

business letter. He has a letter here.

11:26

He has like these binders of BFRO

11:29

stuff and like here's his, he's gonna

11:31

read the letter that he applied to

11:33

the BFRO, make sure you say the

11:35

date though, he want to have the

11:38

date on that one. Oh yeah, it was a

11:40

pleasure to attend the Manasino expedition

11:42

May 1 through 4, as promised

11:44

I am returning the SD card

11:46

that I used to record on

11:48

one night of the night missions.

11:50

Unfortunately, aside from a snap that

11:52

may have been a twig breaking,

11:54

there was nothing of any substance

11:57

on any of the recordings. When

11:59

we parted ways... You mentioned that if I

12:01

was interested in helping out with investigations

12:03

and interviews, it might be possible. Unfortunately,

12:05

I have not heard back from Brandon.

12:07

Sorry, buddy, he didn't mean to throw

12:10

down the bus there. Regarding this,

12:12

he did get back to me. I realize

12:14

that it's ultimately your decision, so I'm again

12:16

making my interest known. I would love to

12:18

try my hand at following up in reports

12:21

that would be relevant to my present location

12:23

in Southern California. I'm a New

12:25

Jersey native and am fairly

12:27

familiar with the New Jersey

12:29

and Eastern Pennsylvania area and I

12:31

lived in the Pine Barrens for four

12:33

years. I think I was saying I would

12:35

help up with New Jersey stuff too. I'd

12:37

be willing to keep up with and learn

12:40

the rope with the New Jersey stuff too.

12:42

I'd be willing to keep up with

12:44

and learn the ropes from other investigators

12:46

as well. I'm also willing to travel

12:48

if necessary. Matt doesn't give a crap

12:50

about the SD card at all. Oh

12:53

I know. I know that now. That's

12:55

why I made a point to read

12:57

that. I'm like, hey, I return this

13:00

little trappy piece of plastic. Yeah, I

13:02

promise that you totally forgot

13:04

about by now. Stay tuned for

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stayed in contact. Scott was kind of

15:31

like my right hand in a lot

15:33

of ways when I was running expeditions.

15:35

After the TV show went off the

15:37

air and I'm thinking, what am I

15:39

going to do? Do I go back

15:41

to being a teacher or whatever? So

15:44

I started running some expeditions. out here

15:46

in Mountain Hood National Forest and Scott

15:48

is very multi-talented. He's a ski patrol

15:50

guy up here at, or was, I

15:52

don't know if you still are, you're

15:54

still doing that? I think once you're

15:56

in, you're never out unless you get

15:58

jumped out, but I did not pay. my dues

16:00

this year and I'm not patrolling because I

16:02

broke my knee and that's a whole other

16:05

story. Yeah. But I'll probably go back to

16:07

it. Well he has like medical cards and

16:09

all that sort of stuff and you

16:11

know when I do expeditions I do

16:13

everything above board so to speak so

16:15

I get my permits and I do

16:17

all the I jump through all the

16:19

hoops at Mounthood National Forest expects you

16:21

to do and it looks very favorable

16:23

if you have someone who's kind of

16:25

like an EMT sort of status or

16:27

right below there. I don't know where Skeep

16:29

Patrol was. But anyway, he was my

16:32

right hand out there because he's very

16:34

versed at Bigfoot stuff. And on top

16:36

of that, he's got medical skills and

16:38

people skills and all this other stuff

16:40

too. So he hosted expeditions

16:42

with me for at least a year or two

16:44

or something like that. What are some of the

16:46

highlights that you remember from there? Because

16:49

you were actually part of the

16:51

discovery of a place that we

16:53

nicknamed Lindsay Lake. for example, that

16:55

is still producing a possible handprint

16:57

cast, came out of there not

16:59

three weeks ago. So yet it's still

17:01

going, or maybe, well, probably not five weeks

17:03

ago, I think it'll be fair, is before

17:05

the snow came. But still, what are some

17:08

of the memories you have of those events?

17:10

Oh man, it was North American Bigfoot at that

17:12

time, right? Yeah, I didn't put the

17:15

center on. No center yet. I mean,

17:17

because I was just a dream. Yeah,

17:19

that had not been. Or wasn't even

17:21

a dream yet. But the North American

17:23

Bigfoot stuff is great. And then like

17:25

having a smaller group, it was a

17:27

little bit tighter and in a smaller space,

17:29

it was nice. We limited the 12. Yeah,

17:32

it was just the right amount of people.

17:34

I learned that from fishing in Southern California,

17:36

because you can go pay money at like,

17:38

you know, 40 bucks or something and go

17:41

on a party boat, so to speak. And

17:43

there could be. eight people on board there

17:45

could be 60 people on board you just don't

17:47

know way different experience but if you want to

17:49

fish in a more reasonable situation you can go

17:52

on a limited load thing and pay like twice

17:54

as much like 80 bucks or 100 I mean

17:56

this is back in you know the 90s or whatever

17:58

so I'm sure it's much more expensive now,

18:00

but you could spend like a hundred

18:02

bucks or 80 bucks or something and

18:04

go on a limited load trip of

18:06

24 people max and then probably catch

18:08

more fish because of it. So I kind of picked

18:11

that up from there. So yeah, well I was

18:13

gonna say since you're talking about money and

18:15

stuff like that I do want to touch

18:17

back on when I was talking about the

18:19

BFRO when I found out you know you

18:21

can pay to go on expeditions. there's always

18:23

these purists and people out there will complain

18:25

about anything on the internet of course so

18:28

people are like oh it's there you know

18:30

charging money to take people out in the

18:32

woods and this and that and I just want

18:34

to say 100% every cent I spent every dollar

18:36

I spent on BFOO stuff was totally worth

18:38

it and you know for anyone who's ever gone

18:40

on any of those trips they know they know

18:42

how amazing it is and oh yeah I mean

18:44

you spent 300 three hundred bucks and you get

18:46

all the knowledge that those people that are

18:48

putting on the exhibition in that experience

18:51

in that area like I mean I spent

18:53

tens of thousands of dollars in

18:55

fuel and brakes and transmissions and

18:57

you know gas you know just eating up

19:00

getting to know the area and then

19:02

someone's going to come out and just

19:04

absorb all that you know like I

19:06

always tell people like dude lawyers charge

19:08

four or five six hundred bucks an

19:10

hour and I'm charged less than that for

19:12

way way more return paying for it's all

19:15

right and I have no problem saying that

19:17

and anybody that's thinking about

19:19

it do it with any extra

19:21

that organization that you think is

19:23

that someone you want to support.

19:26

Just, you know, look and be careful

19:28

who you're supporting. But the

19:30

North American Bigfoot stuff, same

19:32

deal. Like, I feel like every cent

19:35

that people put into that, they

19:37

got, they doubled their money in

19:39

just like the sheer enjoyment of

19:41

that. We found like the best spot.

19:43

I don't want to give it away.

19:45

Just to say at the doorstep of.

19:47

what became the honey pot that

19:49

is still producing years later. That's

19:52

like one of our locations that

19:54

we regularly hit. And that was

19:56

like proximity of just being there

19:58

was amazing and And then having

20:00

the guest come, like you had, you

20:02

know, round robin of like amazing people,

20:05

you had Dr. Jeff Meldrum

20:07

came, Bobo came, Chris Menir came,

20:09

Derek Randall's came. Yeah, yeah. Like

20:11

every one of those trips was

20:14

cool because there's a little bit

20:16

different flavor to everyone's style and

20:18

what they brought to it. So

20:20

what are the, some of the big

20:22

foot activity things that you may

20:25

have witnessed during some of those

20:27

expeditions. Oh yeah. Well, you know, you know,

20:29

the first. trip that we had where

20:31

we went to what we'll call Lindsay

20:34

Lake because nobody knows what that is.

20:36

It's not on a map. You won't find

20:38

it. You know, I observed some stuff

20:40

in a thermal with someone else.

20:42

I was almost certain that

20:45

something was happening that I

20:47

was possibly seeing a Sasquatch

20:49

and I just can't be sure, but

20:51

based on everything else that

20:53

has happened there since then. Seems

20:56

totally logical that I saw a

20:58

Sasquatch. Yeah, I think it was.

21:00

Because there's been so much evidence

21:02

that's come out of there. Were

21:04

you there the next day? Yeah.

21:07

And the next day, there's a

21:09

visual daylight signing when like we're

21:11

sitting in a hut like the

21:13

client and her her son and

21:15

Scott and I are sitting around.

21:18

I think that's it. We hiked

21:20

a mile and a mile down

21:22

into a swamp and with. the

21:24

grass and ferns grown like over our

21:27

heads into this swampy area and you

21:29

know I'll let you tell the story because

21:31

I can't well the way I remember exactly

21:33

how it happened the way I remember

21:36

it is that we're sitting there kind

21:38

of like by the creek that flows

21:40

out of the swamp yeah and and

21:42

and we're just hanging out and then

21:44

the sun says what was that or

21:46

something like that it was it was at

21:48

a bear I remember he said it was

21:50

a bear And we got excited. I had a video

21:52

camera, I think, with me. Like, I want to see

21:55

you there. Where's that footage? I haven't thought about that.

21:57

Yeah. So let's go look. Okay. So you and I

21:59

split up. Like, I took. Yeah. right-hand wall and

22:01

you took the left-hand wall. And

22:03

we kind of tried to scissor-pinch

22:05

the bear. I just want to say

22:07

like everyone that you would ask about

22:09

like encountering wild animals in

22:11

the forest would say that we did

22:14

everything 100% wrong. Wrong. But like I'm

22:16

glad we did it. Like that was

22:18

crazy and cool and like we definitely

22:20

could have died under one of us.

22:22

No, I just maybe we could have died

22:24

chasing them through the terrain was so

22:26

insane. We remember it was like literally

22:28

the slippery logs and then we got

22:31

it with slippery logs and there was

22:33

dead fall everywhere and you'd be like, all

22:35

right, just got to get up this hill and

22:37

you get to the top and then crash

22:39

through and fall down into some other dead

22:41

fall and meanwhile you're like, it's over

22:43

there, it's over there, like running. I've

22:45

never seen you move so fast.

22:47

Because at that point, how many

22:49

years have we been hanging out?

22:51

Like 10 or 12 years. I

22:53

always concern my energy for situations

22:55

just like, like we're just sitting

22:57

there chilling and you're like, it's

23:00

a Bobo talk. Go and like, go that

23:02

way and like, go that way and you

23:04

just ran off into the woods and I'm

23:06

like, okay, I'm going that way. But well,

23:09

we split up at some point and where

23:11

the thing had walked and walked and

23:13

walked across a log. And again,

23:15

at this point. Scots over way

23:17

on one side I can't even see

23:20

him we have radio I'm way I'm

23:22

like on the on this bowl shape

23:24

sort of slope above where the thing

23:26

was and we're poking around and

23:28

I don't know I can't remember

23:31

what came first but at some

23:33

point oh you know what it was

23:35

I remember what came first because

23:37

the the guy who saw it

23:39

originally said which one of you

23:41

guys just walked back there. What

23:44

do you mean? One of you guys

23:46

walked back in the same spot that

23:48

I just saw it, which one of

23:50

you was it? And like you were

23:52

way across like in the meadowy swamp

23:55

area and like I'm over this. Neither

23:57

one of us. So we hauled over

23:59

there. and I go and then we

24:01

hear a knock just like bam bam

24:04

like from close I'm thinking holy smokes

24:06

this is it man this and I

24:08

thought again one of those times I

24:11

thought we're gonna get on film for

24:13

sure and um and I went there

24:15

and we found the log there was

24:18

a footprint in the moss on that

24:20

log I have photographs of it also

24:22

I'll share with our members of course

24:24

you want to be a member go

24:27

to the website and click the appropriate

24:29

things and so there was a footprint

24:31

on the log I was two minutes

24:34

behind it and I did not see

24:36

the darn thing. Just another one of

24:38

those close calls at a spot that

24:41

is still active to this day. To

24:43

this day. Yeah, I literally, I mean,

24:45

I don't just take people there willy-nilly.

24:47

I take trusted friends there and it's

24:50

people that don't even go big footing

24:52

and they're not going to blow the

24:54

spot up. But every time I take

24:57

someone there, they're like, hey, let's go

24:59

check out this cool spot. There's a

25:01

lake, you know, might see some birds.

25:04

There's definitely bats. It's so cool, you

25:06

know, sunset. There's like hundreds of bats.

25:08

It's amazing. And every time I've gone,

25:10

there's been noises. But one of the

25:13

other things that was really cool about

25:15

your expeditions that I remembered were going

25:17

to the Thomas site for the first

25:20

time. I mean, I'm 50 now, I

25:22

was like 46, 45. I don't remember

25:24

how it was when this happened, but

25:27

like walking up there and seeing that.

25:29

It just like I had I had

25:31

a shift and so I mean it's

25:33

like because I remember the pictures of

25:36

like them standing in the hole and

25:38

like John Green or whoever standing next

25:40

to it or I mean I you

25:43

tell me I can't remember if that's

25:45

who it isn't maybe in the photo

25:47

Bob Titmas maybe. No but there's pictures

25:50

of binder dogal there there's pictures of

25:52

a few other folks or de Hinden.

25:54

There's a couple pictures of him in

25:56

the whole I've never seen one of

25:59

John Green that I remember. Yeah, but

26:01

my bad, but I just felt like

26:03

I walked into a book. I pulled

26:06

off the shelf when I was in.

26:08

Is that the coolest? I remember going

26:10

there too when Cliff took me there

26:13

and I was like, Glenn Toss, I

26:15

see those rock stack. Like I remember

26:17

those exact piles and I was like,

26:19

oh my, this is the whole, he

26:22

was in like, this is the whole,

26:24

yeah, those other guys took pictures in

26:26

and all this. Shoulders up, this is

26:29

surreal, I love it. It's cool. And

26:31

it's a nice place. And it's there.

26:33

And there. And to just there. And

26:36

to just there. And to just like,

26:38

to just like, like, like, like, like,

26:40

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

26:42

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

26:45

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

26:47

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

26:49

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

26:52

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

26:54

like the expeditions. It was the people

26:56

too and it sounds corny, but like,

26:59

looking through those photos of every trip,

27:01

I'm like, oh yeah, like, I remember

27:03

them, that was a cool conversation. Those

27:05

people were nice. Those people seem like

27:08

they were just getting into it and

27:10

now they're like, they're doing it, you

27:12

know, like, it just worked. So, that

27:15

was cool, good work. It was a

27:17

lot of fun. It was a lot

27:19

of fun in a really neat opportunity.

27:22

I took some of that money, of

27:24

course, and I put it, of course,

27:26

and I put it into the, and

27:28

I put it into the And I

27:31

got to give Scott full credit, man,

27:33

that the museum would not be probably

27:35

alive today if it was not for

27:38

him. A lot of the design concepts

27:40

are his. He really got me going

27:42

in the right direction. It was absolutely

27:44

fantastic. And I really, the entirety of

27:47

the rest of my life is in

27:49

part due to my friend here. And

27:51

I can't sing his praises high enough,

27:54

man. All of the displays and stuff

27:56

are basically his design or copied there

27:58

from you know I'm doing the design

28:01

now I guess you know but I

28:03

basically copied just what Scott laid out

28:05

in front of me everything that any

28:07

BC is is because of Scott so

28:10

I can't he's been so important in

28:12

my life you know so it's just

28:14

really really great to see where we

28:17

all are today based on that chance

28:19

meeting in Covalo California in 2008. It's

28:21

insane and I appreciate the hell out

28:24

of that cliff and that means more

28:26

than you know, essentially with the North

28:28

American Bigfoot Center. It's like you went.

28:30

from like your idea to something that

28:33

like became like your Melissa's idea to

28:35

like sharing it with me and then

28:37

it became our idea and we like

28:40

kind of conjured this thing and now

28:42

years later you have employees you have

28:44

people that you're supporting you have people

28:47

that come to you that want to

28:49

work there you have people coming and

28:51

visiting you every day like this fully

28:53

functioning thing and like you said it's

28:56

support to you It started as an

28:58

idea, you trusted me, you asked me

29:00

to help you, and I won in

29:03

that, you know, transaction, even though you're

29:05

like, you're like doing this thing or

29:07

like, yay, and I'm like, I, even

29:10

just doing it, like, I'm happy, like,

29:12

this is, I'm stoked. Now back when

29:14

you were in Southern California, you were

29:16

doing the local mountains and very, very

29:19

few people actually go big footing in

29:21

the local... Southern California mountains. Far too

29:23

few, by the way, in my opinion.

29:26

So if you're down there listening in

29:28

Los Angeles, get your butts to the

29:30

woods. They are also there. But you

29:33

went one time with Josh and Old

29:35

timer, legendary Bigfooter in some ways, Richard

29:37

Hucklebridge. Yeah, you remember, I mean, I

29:39

think a lot of people probably recognize

29:42

the name. I mean, I think probably

29:44

Richard is most famous. for purchasing the

29:46

very early infrared equipment that actually obtained

29:49

Sasquatch footage from the Chehalis project, which

29:51

is detailed in Tom Powell's excellent book

29:53

called The Locals. Richard Hucklebridge kicked down

29:56

a bunch of money for this night

29:58

vision equipment back in 2000 or 2001

30:00

when it was very expensive and very

30:02

primitive by today's standards. But you were

30:05

Richard's buddy for a long time and

30:07

would go out to the woods with

30:09

them and one night... You went looking

30:12

for Bigfoot, but something else found you.

30:14

Oh yeah, that's one of the most

30:16

memorable nights of my life. life and

30:19

I remember after it happened we were

30:21

saying like if we ever tell this

30:23

story no one's ever going to believe

30:25

us because we went big footing and

30:28

we saw UFO and like this is

30:30

like the coolest thing that ever happened

30:32

to me up to that point. I

30:35

got to say on that first Menocino

30:37

trip I also met a guy named

30:39

Josh Grollman. He's in LA. Super Solid

30:42

Guy. one of my best friends ever

30:44

met that guy on the trip and

30:46

I kind of remember I'm like man

30:48

that guy's a little grumpy but like

30:51

that's Josh and he's great and he's

30:53

like one of my best homies and

30:55

we realized we lived and you know

30:58

again oh you have to go back

31:00

to LA yeah me too and we

31:02

lived in pretty close proximity out of

31:05

all the other people that came on

31:07

that trip so we ended up hanging

31:09

out spending a lot of time out

31:11

there. And we somehow linked up with

31:14

Richard, another one of my favorite people.

31:16

Picture Wilford Brimley and Bigfooting with him.

31:18

So he's awesome. And we, he had

31:21

a tow truck driver that would drive

31:23

people up and down Angeles crest and

31:25

he eventually started contacting Richard and getting

31:28

reports and then Richard would go check

31:30

him out. And he got some reports

31:32

of someone. this pot truck driver watched

31:34

some bigfoots on Iron Mountain near there's

31:37

a mine near Iron Mountain which is

31:39

near what's the what's a little town

31:41

right right would or right would or

31:44

oh there's right wood yeah so there's

31:46

that Blue Ridge Parkway that goes through

31:48

the ski area and we we went

31:51

out there just checking it out and

31:53

doing calls and and listening and it

31:55

was super windy so we weren't really

31:57

hearing anything and we ended up seeing

32:00

this crazy light in the sky. Well

32:02

now one of the cool things about

32:04

this particular UFO observation is that you

32:07

had a recorder running the entire time.

32:09

Yeah, yeah Josh had a voice recorder

32:11

like in his pocket so that was

32:14

running and I had a video camera

32:16

and it was 1230 at night so

32:18

it was in the car and we

32:20

were just standing out on this ridge

32:23

in the wind. watching this thing and

32:25

I remember being like I don't I

32:27

don't want to look away from it

32:30

I'm not going to get my camera

32:32

but whatever I'm just going to watch

32:34

it and we watch this thing and

32:37

I just like the next day Josh

32:39

called me like dude I taped that

32:41

last night my recorder was going I

32:43

was like not even thinking about it

32:46

you know we didn't get any house

32:48

I didn't think about the Bigfoot stuff

32:50

forgot about it dude there's recordings of

32:53

us any he emailed him to me

32:55

and I listened to him and I

32:57

just remember like my jaw dropped to

33:00

the floor because like I was there

33:02

I saw it listening to myself see

33:04

it with my friends seeing it and

33:06

knowing what we all saw it like

33:09

it shifted my perspective I took me

33:11

back to it and I'm like dude

33:13

we were watching something that we are

33:16

dumbfounded by Stay

33:18

tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond

33:20

with Clifin Bobo. We'll be right

33:22

back after these messages. Well, what did

33:24

you see? Like, what did it look

33:27

like? How did this whole thing just

33:29

walk us through what actually happened

33:31

before we listened to the recording?

33:33

So to set it up, we're on

33:35

a we're on a fire road at

33:38

the top of a valley and on

33:40

the other side of the valley, there

33:42

are a couple different peaks. and it

33:45

was dark, but you could see the

33:47

sky, you could see like planes

33:49

flying around and stuff down in

33:51

LA, like way in the distance, all

33:53

the lights, but really quiet up in

33:56

Angel's crest. So there's, you know, you

33:58

can see a tree line on our

34:00

right hand side and kind of behind

34:03

us where we're standing. And then we

34:05

were looking down out across, you

34:07

know, we were looking up in

34:09

the sky just listening. And then I

34:11

remember Josh or myself or somebody was

34:14

like, hey, what's that down there and

34:16

what's that light? And we were talking

34:18

about and watching this light and it

34:21

was down in the valley and it

34:23

was in the trees. and was

34:25

moving through the trees. And we

34:27

were like, what's that light? Moving through

34:29

the trees. Like that's very obviously what

34:32

it was. And Richard did search and

34:34

rescue for L.A. County. So he was

34:36

very familiar with the area and he's

34:39

like, there's no roads down there. Like

34:41

that's a light in the trees.

34:43

It's like somebody going, I don't

34:45

know, but it was going kind of

34:48

fast. And we were like, is a

34:50

car? Like we were like. Like we

34:52

were confused enough that we're like it's

34:55

moving too fast to be a person

34:57

But it's in the trees, so that's

34:59

all I know like we saw

35:01

light in the trees and it

35:03

was going faster than a person Far

35:06

away across this valley and we kind

35:08

of we watch that and Nothing happened

35:10

and we've moved on and Josh we

35:13

kind of after we saw we saw

35:15

next we didn't even think about that

35:17

But when Josh sent me the

35:19

recordings is like here's two recordings

35:21

and we recorded that watching this light

35:24

And then we moved on, went to

35:26

another overlook, did a how, and we're

35:28

sitting there, waiting, and about a minute

35:31

into that, they're like, what's that light

35:33

over there? And I was like, well,

35:35

that's that light we saw earlier.

35:37

It's a, yeah, it's the same

35:39

light. It's right there. So it was

35:42

like, whatever that light appeared, it was

35:44

like whitish yellow. It was the same

35:46

thing. And it was kind of behind

35:49

us, above the tree line that had

35:51

been behind us when we were watching

35:53

it, when we were watching it.

35:55

but still a little off, but

35:57

we could use the tree line to

36:00

gauge how it was moving, and it

36:02

was moving up and down. and up

36:04

like and but not in any pattern

36:07

it wasn't going up and down and

36:09

up and down it was like what

36:11

and then it was going left

36:13

and right doing the same thing

36:15

where it was like moving I'm like

36:18

depending on how far away it was

36:20

if it was close it moved pretty

36:22

fast like way to the left and

36:25

then it went way to the right

36:27

again and then now it's back where

36:29

it started like it was like

36:31

it was on a string or

36:33

was dancing and we're like what is

36:36

that We're watching that talking about that

36:38

and then it like moved across the

36:41

sky and we didn't really talk about

36:43

that but I remember watching it was

36:45

like so if you like panned left

36:48

to right 180 field of vision

36:50

we watched it go out over

36:52

the peaks out kind of over the

36:54

like where would be the ocean on

36:56

the other side of the mountains and

36:59

it was doing the same stuff and

37:01

it was changing colors and it was

37:03

moving up and down and back and

37:06

forth and then it would like

37:08

stop and then We were like,

37:10

like, do a how? And I was

37:12

like, come over here. And they were

37:14

like, no, don't come over here. We

37:17

were kind of joking with each other,

37:19

laughing. And they're like, God, just do

37:21

a how. And so I was like,

37:24

woo. And I yelled and it

37:26

changed colors. And it moved kind

37:28

of abruptly. And then it changed into

37:30

like a solid color and just started

37:32

going. And like I think Josh stopped

37:35

his recorder because I remember just like

37:37

watching it until it disappeared and he

37:39

was like, it's gone. And then Richard

37:42

was like, no, I see it's

37:44

blinking. Like I see and that

37:46

was the thing. It stopped changing colors

37:48

and stopped blinking. It was just a

37:50

white light and it went flying like

37:53

I'm a clock at three o'clock. It

37:55

flew around the clock to like 11

37:57

10 o'clock. and then it started blinking

38:00

and got small and it went and

38:02

it looked like the plane going

38:04

out the ocean. And now, 2025,

38:06

people are saying this is happening in

38:08

New Jersey, all, like, since November, it's

38:11

going on all the time. And my

38:13

mom sent me videos. Like, I saw

38:15

the drones. And like, they're calling them

38:18

drones. I'm like, that wasn't a drone.

38:20

That was, like, 2010. And it

38:22

was like, it did spectacular things.

38:24

It wasn't a drone. Like, if you

38:26

have a drone and a drone and

38:29

a drone moves, like, like, okay, the

38:31

drones buzzing over there. It was like

38:33

it was like on a string and

38:36

it was like yank yank yank what

38:38

like balancing and then it would

38:40

be smooth and then it would

38:42

like seesaw and like swing around it

38:45

was like it was the craziest thing

38:47

I've ever seen and it just flew

38:49

away and we're like what the hell

38:52

was that and what do we do

38:54

with that like we went I remember

38:56

going back to the campsite and

38:58

we were all sober I have

39:00

to say that we're all sober Richard

39:03

was in the like military and rescue

39:05

and he's LA County sheriff's deputy Josh's

39:07

like pretty like corporate kind of guy

39:10

he's got a really like serious job

39:12

and like I was just there and

39:14

I'm like I'm I'm skater but

39:16

like I saw it like and

39:18

we're sitting there like what did you

39:21

see and we're like I'm drawing it

39:23

in the dirt with the stick it

39:25

was like it looked like a light

39:28

but then it looked like kind of

39:30

half a light like a like a

39:32

walnut or something but it was

39:34

dark I don't know then we

39:36

get bright I don't know and he's

39:39

like sometimes it look like So either

39:41

way, I was like, nobody's going to

39:43

believe this. Like, we went big footing,

39:46

saw UFO, this is nuts. Like, what

39:48

do we do? So I like, I

39:50

emailed Mufon, and I wrote this

39:52

long letter, and I told Matt,

39:54

he was like, dude, we got this

39:57

long letter, and he was like, dude,

39:59

we got to animate this, we're going

40:01

to put it, like, what are you

40:04

going to do? You got to move

40:06

on with your life? or you do

40:08

what I did and then you

40:10

just go down the rabbit hole.

40:12

You're like... What was that? No, I

40:15

want to know. And you started asking

40:17

questions and you asked other people. And

40:19

this is like, I'm already doing that

40:22

with Sasquatch stuff and I'm getting crazy

40:24

answers. Like, whoa, that's just making it

40:26

more confusing. Let me try to

40:28

straighten it out over here. Oh,

40:30

here's something I saw. Maybe this would

40:33

like make more sense. Well, sorry, that

40:35

doesn't make any sense either. I went

40:37

back in my email because Matt had

40:40

sent that to me right after it

40:42

happened. Well, let's play the sound file

40:45

real quick. Look at that light.

40:47

Look at that light over there.

40:49

Yeah. Pardon? What the hell? Yeah, it's

40:51

coming off the Air Force Base there,

40:53

come here. They have a... It's moving,

40:56

and it's really weird. Hey, stop and

40:58

it's starting. What's that? Holy... I turned

41:00

my light on the other. What the

41:03

hell is it doing? It's dancing!

41:05

The sunbeas is dancing! I got

41:07

it. My camera wouldn't even pick that

41:09

up right now. I'm not even going

41:11

to turn... I'm not going to blink.

41:14

What the fuck? That came from where

41:16

we were just looking at the light

41:18

that was in the freaking trees. What

41:21

the hell is that? I don't

41:23

know, but it's your dancing. Look

41:25

at that. It's stopping. Stopping a dancing,

41:27

up and down. Son of a bitch.

41:29

What the fuck? We're right here. Come

41:32

see us. Don't. Come see us. Come

41:34

see us. I'm over here. I feel

41:36

pretty good about our distance right now.

41:39

Yeah, I do too. I feel

41:41

good at distance. Wait, looks like

41:43

it's awesome. It looks like it's going

41:45

a little further away. It's not doing

41:47

it. It is going up and down.

41:50

What the fuck? Change colors. It turned

41:52

red and went out and went back

41:54

on. It's gone. No, it's still there.

41:57

I can't see it now. It's

41:59

blaken. It's blaken. Blaken. Blaken. Blink,

42:01

blink, blink, blink. And that's the end

42:03

of the recording right there. Yeah, that's

42:05

all I got from him. It might

42:08

have gone on, I'm not sure. I

42:10

do want to say, he was like,

42:12

oh, it's very slowly moving off. And

42:15

then as it started moving away, it

42:17

was like, okay, that's a different

42:19

thing. And then at the very

42:21

end, I was like, that looks way

42:23

different too. And I just kind of,

42:26

I don't know, like I still am

42:28

not sure, like sometimes I'm like, maybe

42:30

it was like a really drone, but

42:33

like, even now, like, do drones do

42:35

that? Like, I don't know, do

42:37

they do like zero gravity maneuvers

42:39

kind of like, I don't want to

42:42

say zero gravity, but it was just

42:44

like. It wasn't windy and it like,

42:46

oh, it got buffeted a little this

42:49

way and that way. It was like

42:51

bobbing and going over here and then

42:53

going back there. Like, it, either

42:55

way. You saw some weird stuff

42:57

is the bottom line. Like, and that's

43:00

just like one of the things, you

43:02

know, it's, uh, it's a trip. I

43:04

was told a very, very long time

43:07

ago, probably like, 1993 or something like

43:09

that. Someone told me that if you

43:11

put your weird antenna up, you'll

43:13

attract some weird stuff, but it

43:15

may not be quite what you expect.

43:18

And I think this is one of

43:20

those examples where you went out Bigfooting

43:22

and you saw something totally unexplainable. It

43:25

has nothing to do with Bigfoot, but

43:27

it's very weird. What a treasure. Yeah,

43:29

whatever it was, it was like

43:31

hooked me on even more. I'm

43:33

like, I need more of that. And

43:36

it's just like. Was that Henry Franzoni

43:38

that said that? No, no. He should

43:40

have. He should have. He probably said

43:43

that to somebody. Stay tuned for more

43:45

Bigfoot and beyond. with Clifin Bobo, we'll

43:47

be right back after these messages.

43:49

A lot of weird stuff happens

43:51

in those hills, man. I mean, we

43:54

hear about a fair amount of it

43:56

because there's a lot of people living

43:58

in Los Angeles, but she's also spent

44:01

a lot of time out there. Are

44:03

there any other stories or weird occurrences

44:05

or something that happened in the

44:07

Southern California mountains you want to

44:09

share with us? Yeah, I mean, there's

44:12

all kinds of... little things that are

44:14

cool, like just following up on stuff

44:16

and finding like a cool swimming hole

44:19

or something like, wow, I didn't know

44:21

that was here. LA is kind of

44:23

desolate and it's really, really rugged

44:25

terrain. I don't know if San

44:27

Bernardino and the San Gabriel Mountains, lots

44:30

of like really treacherous rock and yuckens,

44:32

like very desert inhospitable environment, and then

44:34

there's like little oases and hidden waterfalls

44:37

and things like that things like that.

44:39

I went with Matt and Josh and

44:41

we followed up on some footprints

44:44

that a hunter found. Found those

44:46

photos today. They're still interesting. And we

44:48

had a, you know, kind of a,

44:50

we went up there at night instead

44:53

of waiting for daytime and couldn't find

44:55

the prints and tromphed all over them

44:57

and left. And then Josh and I

45:00

went back the next day. We're

45:02

like, dude, we got to go

45:04

back in the light. And we went

45:06

and we found our prints, like walking

45:08

all through the other prints. and then

45:11

there was like one salvageable that we

45:13

tried to cast. So that's fun. I

45:15

still have that cast. But yeah, you

45:18

know, I kept driving by the

45:20

sign that said Devils Canyon. And

45:22

I think I was reading like Henry

45:24

Franzoni's stuff and he was talking about

45:26

place names and double place names. And

45:29

I'm like, Devils Canyon. That's like Sasquatch,

45:31

dude. I got to get in there.

45:33

Yeah. And it just, you know, never

45:36

found the time for it. And,

45:38

uh... I was like, you know,

45:40

I proposed to this, my girlfriend. and

45:42

I decided I was going to ask

45:44

my buddy to be my best man.

45:47

And I'm like, I could like double-diff

45:49

on this. I could go do something

45:51

cool with Casey and then ask him,

45:54

you know, it was a big

45:56

deal. I never got married before.

45:58

I'm like, I don't know what I'm

46:00

supposed to do. Maybe he can tell

46:02

me. So I'm going to ask him.

46:05

Another single dude, of course he didn't

46:07

know anything. But I was like, hey,

46:09

you want to go hiking. I'm going

46:12

to check out. I'm going to

46:14

go hiking. I'm going to check

46:16

out. I'm going to check out. So

46:18

he's like, sure, I mean, yeah, it

46:20

was kind of, so we're in LA,

46:23

we like skate and surf and walk

46:25

around and flip flops and like, not

46:27

really too serious. And you're like, you

46:30

want to go Devil's Canyon and the

46:32

mountains? You're like, sure. And you're

46:34

like flip flops and shorts and,

46:36

you know, maybe a beer or water

46:38

or something. And we ended up hiking

46:41

down there, but at the time I

46:43

didn't, my car was broken and I

46:46

borrowed my girlfriend's car and when I

46:48

left. I was just joking, I'm like,

46:50

yeah, if I'm not back by

46:52

five, call cops. And she's like,

46:54

hi, okay. And I left and forgot

46:57

I said that. So we drove up

46:59

an hour to Devils Canyon, parked, hiked

47:01

down, like midway down, ran into a

47:04

bear, and it was kind of a

47:06

narrow canyon, and kind of had to

47:08

navigate around this bear. So it

47:10

was pretty exciting. Got down, checked

47:12

out the waterfall, didn't find anything bigfootty,

47:15

but. I had done my research and

47:17

I went on the internet and I

47:19

went on some ancient web page for

47:22

hiking and I had found that there

47:24

was this shortcut to get out of

47:26

Devil's Canyon. You go up the

47:28

side thing called Skull Canyon. I'm

47:30

like, all right, this is going to

47:33

be good. So Casey's like, what are

47:35

we going to do, man? Like there's

47:37

a bear. And I'm like, well, bear

47:40

might be gone, but we could pop

47:42

up the side canyon. Skull. Skull canyon,

47:44

no problem. You know, that it's

47:46

better than double scanning, you know,

47:48

I'll go up that way. And in

47:51

the... It was like, yeah, it was

47:53

vague. It was like, go up two

47:55

waterfalls and then you go to the

47:58

right and then you go up on

48:00

the right side of the third waterfall

48:02

and then you pop to the

48:04

right and the roads right there.

48:06

Walk to your car and you're out

48:09

instead of going to the bear. So

48:11

my buddy Casey and I have been

48:13

climbing up. We went up and I

48:16

thought I heard some noise. I'm like,

48:18

oh, that was a car. And he's

48:20

like, I don't know, man. And

48:22

we got to. This spot and

48:24

we're like, okay, is this third waterfall

48:27

or the second waterfall like I don't

48:29

know like kind of went up some

48:31

waterfall type stuff very ambiguous Apparently it

48:34

was the second waterfall and I'm like,

48:36

okay, this is the third waterfall. We

48:38

got to go to the right

48:40

so would pop over on the

48:43

right side of it and he's like

48:45

it's like a cliff dude like what

48:47

do we do? I'm like oh, you

48:50

just got to go up the side

48:52

You know near the waterfall part. It's

48:54

less of a cliff you just hug

48:57

that and like diagonal diagonal all

48:59

up And I'm just like pointing

49:01

up this slope of yucca and he's

49:03

like, all right, climb up. So I

49:05

started climbing up and, you know, again,

49:08

we're skateboarders, like, we can do anything.

49:10

We jump off 10 foot buildings, whatever,

49:12

down handrails, I can climb up this

49:15

shale cliff and we're climbing and

49:17

I'm like pulling yucca and it's

49:19

like pulling out dislodging rocks and I

49:21

made a mini avalanche avalanche and I

49:23

made a mini avalanche. see you down

49:26

there, I'm going to go down to

49:28

the other place and walk up the

49:30

way we came in. And I'm like,

49:33

all right, kind of like give

49:35

up and slide down. And totally

49:37

the right decision on his part. We

49:39

get down to the more manageable place,

49:41

the waterfalls, and we're hiking back down

49:44

to where we had started and made

49:46

that terrible decision. And there was a

49:48

little... like overlook for this waterfall and

49:51

the overlook that was kind of

49:53

like a And he's like, man,

49:55

I can't believe you did this to

49:57

me. And I was like, yeah, I

49:59

didn't even get to ask you to

50:02

be my best man for my wedding.

50:04

And he's like, what are you talking

50:06

about? I'm like, I brought you out

50:09

here. I was going to ask

50:11

you to be my best man.

50:13

He's like, oh, of course I'll do

50:15

that. But we got to get out

50:17

of here. And it's getting dark. And

50:20

I'm just like, yeah. I'll just stay

50:22

here. We'll be fine. We'll just hike

50:24

out in the morning. The cave, we'll

50:27

make a fire. So we did

50:29

that and had like meagre supplies.

50:31

So we like, hi, for some reason

50:33

I had that little stupid space blanket

50:35

in the plastic, the aluminum thing, and

50:38

I'm like, all right, hey, Casey, I

50:40

got a space blanket, you know, so

50:43

I shook that out, you know, the

50:45

dusty ass space blanket I had

50:47

for 10 years. It finally gets

50:49

to use this thing. I'm like, this

50:51

is probably why I got diabetes. Like,

50:54

I like, I had skittles and like

50:56

a beer and weed. That's like it.

50:58

So we're like, let's eat these skittles

51:01

and like play word games. And it

51:03

was like, I don't know. It was

51:05

like, we went through levels of

51:07

like psychological like despair and like

51:09

keeping it. It's okay, man, we're gonna

51:12

make it. It's cool. Don't worry. Don't

51:14

worry about it. Don't worry about it.

51:16

My girlfriend's going to be really pissed

51:19

at me because I didn't bring her

51:21

car back. She's going to be worried.

51:23

And then I started thinking about

51:25

like, oh, she's going to be

51:27

worried about me. Like, all right. And

51:30

I started really thinking about that and

51:32

like being sensitive. Like, oh man, I'm

51:34

a terrible person. And I just remember

51:37

being like, dude, you know, it's fine.

51:39

We'll get out of here. It's like,

51:41

like, what, we got like six

51:43

hours left or something. It's not

51:45

that it's not that long. It's not

51:48

that long. We hear this noise and

51:50

I'm like, sounds like. I don't know,

51:52

it sounds like thunder, and I'm like,

51:55

no, it's just going. And then I

51:57

remember being like, it's like a tank.

51:59

So we're, you know, we're in

52:01

this little overlook at the top

52:03

of a waterfall that's in a canyon,

52:06

and a canyon goes straight out and

52:08

kind of curves to the left. And

52:10

you can see like trees and sky,

52:13

and we're sitting there, like the noise

52:15

is getting louder, and the canyon starts

52:17

lighting up. And we're like, whoa.

52:19

this helicopter comes around the corner

52:21

with like search light down in the

52:24

canyon and it's like definitely loud like

52:26

oh it's a helicopter so we're sitting

52:28

there and I'm like what I've never

52:31

seen a helicopter like a hundred feet

52:33

away at you know a night in

52:35

the mountains sign a search light

52:37

at me this is insane and

52:39

I'm like oh Casey just jumps up

52:42

and it's like we're saved and he

52:44

like runs out and he's like standing

52:47

on top of this waterfall in the

52:49

space blanket and he's waving the space

52:51

blanket and the helicopter flies over and

52:54

it shines a searchlight down on

52:56

this. I'm sitting there like, whoa,

52:58

like watching this, like, is this really

53:00

happening? And it was like, wind was

53:02

flying, there's rocks flying and like, there's

53:05

a helicopter 50 feet above us and

53:07

they're like, on the radio, I can't

53:09

hear, like, I'm half deaf, so I'm

53:12

like. What are they saying? In

53:14

cases like, yeah, like yelling, I

53:16

don't know if they could hear. Vegas

53:18

they were like, you know, we're gonna

53:20

get you out of here and I'm

53:23

sitting there and like this guy comes

53:25

down of like a rope and like

53:27

comes out of the helicopter. Helicothers hovering

53:30

like, I don't know, like 50

53:32

feet, 75 feet in the air

53:34

and this light, the dude comes down

53:36

on the rope and he lands. and

53:38

unhooks and he comes running over and

53:41

he's like all dressed and black and

53:43

he's got night vision goggles he's like

53:45

yes okay we're gonna get you out

53:48

of here and we're like, my

53:50

friends like, yes, get us out

53:52

of here. And I'm just like, yeah.

53:54

They're like, we're gonna get you out

53:56

of here. I'm like, Casey, you go

53:59

first. He's like, all right. And I'm

54:01

just like vaguely watching him and the

54:03

guy does something and they go up

54:06

the zip line in the air

54:08

and I'm watching there and I'm

54:10

sitting there and I'm like, okay. I

54:12

guess I'm ready to go. I'm ready

54:14

to go. on the rope and I'm

54:17

like, what do I do? And he's

54:19

like, grab on. And I was like,

54:21

thinking like, is there like a thing

54:24

you clip on me? And he's

54:26

just like, and he takes my

54:28

arms and puts him around his waist

54:30

and he grabs me and he's like,

54:32

says something, the radio and we go

54:35

up the rope. So I'm like in

54:37

the air, like, I'm in like Arnold

54:39

Schwarzenegger movie and I go up and

54:42

they like pushed me into the

54:44

helicopter. So now I'm like on

54:46

the floor of the helicopter on my

54:48

hands and knees looking around like I've

54:51

never been a helicopter before is surreal

54:53

it's like kind of moving but like

54:55

still like an elevator when it stops

54:58

just continuously the moment when your stomach's

55:00

up and down I'm like well

55:02

what the hell's going on the

55:04

guy comes over with a notebook and

55:06

he's like are you so-and-so's fiancee and

55:09

I'm like yep and he's like we

55:11

got him and they're like okay Roger

55:13

that dupe and they start driving away

55:16

in the helicopter and I'm sitting there

55:18

and Casey's sitting on the bench

55:20

and he's got a like a

55:22

nice blanket on and he's just glaring

55:24

at me and I'm like hey and

55:27

he's like just shaking his head I'm

55:29

like alright du du du and I'm

55:31

like there's a helipad and they like

55:34

land on the helipad I'm like this

55:36

is not the car. and they're like

55:38

all right you guys hop out

55:40

and we're like what do we

55:42

do and they're like you get out

55:45

of the helicopter and we're like I'm

55:47

like no do we have to pay

55:49

like what's going on there like do

55:52

you live in LA County and really

55:54

Yeah, you know, you can pay taxes

55:56

and yeah, you're like, all right,

55:58

you already paid thanks and just

56:00

get out. And I'm like, all right,

56:03

and we got out and then the

56:05

helicopter flew away and we're standing there

56:07

and we're like, where the hell are

56:10

we? We're on a helipad in the

56:12

middle of Angeles, crest, like, just like,

56:14

okay, there's LA down there, but

56:16

we're in the mountains still and

56:18

there's like, and there's like, where are

56:21

you doing? And we're like, like, I

56:23

don't know, like, what are we doing?

56:25

And he's like, I don't know. And

56:28

he just drove away. And we were

56:30

like, I guess follow him. We went

56:32

down and it was an emergency

56:34

room of a hospital in Azusa.

56:36

And I'm like, all right. Do you

56:39

have a phone in the intake nurse

56:41

was like, oh my lord, come in

56:44

here and like, are you okay? Are

56:46

you anybody bleeding and like, you know,

56:48

the nurse stuff? And I'm just looking

56:51

at Casey and hiking with you

56:53

again. Let that be listen to

56:55

everyone by the way. Well, I think

56:57

on that note, be safe in the

56:59

woods. Tell people where you're going. And

57:02

this is another excellent example of what

57:04

can come from that. So there you

57:06

go. That's crazy story. Scott. Yeah, that's

57:09

a nutty story. And well, thank

57:11

you. Thank you for coming on

57:13

the podcast and sharing some of the

57:15

weird things that have happened to you

57:17

over the time. If you want to

57:20

come visit Scott, he works at his

57:22

own shop, a record shop in Sandy

57:24

organ. You can always. Talk to him

57:27

on Instagram. It's a record shop

57:29

in Sandy on Instagram. And you

57:31

can also check out his designs and

57:33

all that sort of stuff on the

57:35

internet machine. Scott Minton design.com. All these

57:38

things will be in the show notes

57:40

of course. Reach out. If you're in

57:42

Sandy, come buy a record man. He

57:45

has some of the best selections

57:47

I've seen. And he also gives

57:49

you the personal touch. Anything you're looking

57:51

for. Any last minute thoughts here, Scott

57:53

before we get going? Yeah, I love

57:56

working with artists and creative people, so

57:58

anybody that's got ideas of things that

58:00

they want to make. Like, let's talk.

58:03

If I can't do it, I

58:05

think I know someone who can.

58:07

And there's a lot of really great

58:09

people in this community. Mount Hood is

58:11

a special place. We talk about it

58:14

often. There's not a lot of places

58:16

like this. There's a lot of creative

58:18

people here who run their own businesses,

58:21

and there's a little community that

58:23

does that. It's like a pleasure

58:25

interacting with those people, and I know

58:27

they're out there. I just, as I

58:29

see it happening in this record shop

58:32

all the time. It's a vortex. of

58:34

cool stuff. It was here before I

58:36

came here it was a skate shop

58:39

and this was happening and before

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that it was like a gallery

58:43

and that was happening and this is

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building this place like in proximity to

58:48

this magical mountain is like a really

58:50

cool spot to be and people come

58:52

in and like oh this is this

58:55

feels good I'm like yeah I know

58:57

right it's like it's a special

58:59

place and and if you come

59:01

here and buy a record you always

59:03

get a free record with that record.

59:06

You get a free record with that

59:08

record. You do. I got so many

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records. So yeah, you get a free

59:13

record with every record that you buy.

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All right. Bobo, final thoughts and

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get us out of here. So

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yeah, thanks to Scott for coming on

59:21

and we'll catch y'all next week. Until

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