0:00

Big foot and beyond

0:03

with Cliff and

0:05

Bobo. These guys

0:07

are your favorites,

0:09

so like share

0:11

subscribe and rate

0:13

it. Five stars.

0:15

Big foot and

0:17

be hard. The

0:19

greatest in the

0:21

podcast. Wherever you're

0:24

listening or watching,

0:26

remember always keep

0:28

it's watching. Yeah.

0:31

Greetings, Bobo. What's up, Cliff? All

0:33

sorts of stuff, man. Just kind of

0:36

cruising through life, through choppy seas,

0:38

and waves are coming at me from

0:40

all directions. But my boat isn't

0:42

swamped yet, though it feels like it's

0:44

precariously close. But I know better than that. Life

0:46

always sees me through. The universe is always

0:48

conspiring for my higher self. And I

0:51

just keep on plodding forward

0:53

and ignoring the wind, I guess. What about

0:55

you? What's going on, man? How was the Dead Show? Um,

0:58

it was cool. It was, uh, I heard

1:00

that the visuals was like better this, this

1:02

year, but I, I thought last

1:04

year's, well, maybe it's just cause the

1:06

newness wore off, but it was just

1:08

so like the first thing she is just so

1:10

jaw -dropping. The second time it's

1:12

still awesome, but it wasn't

1:14

quite as impactful, but it's still,

1:17

I mean, it's rad. It's fricking

1:19

awesome. It's, it's musty. Almost

1:21

life -changing. Yep. Now,

1:23

I got a text from Bill. Bill actually

1:25

texted me. He said, Bobo showed up five

1:27

minutes before the music started. What happened to

1:29

you? What took you so long to get

1:31

there? The plane was late. I

1:34

barely made my connection in San Francisco, like,

1:36

barely. That's pretty stressful. Oh,

1:38

dude, it was so stressful. It messed me up for

1:41

the whole weekend. Now, what was

1:43

the plane ride like? Because I know

1:45

how much you love having crying children

1:47

next to you. Oh, dude, from

1:49

Vegas to... San Francisco, I was

1:51

gonna fight with this whole family. A

1:54

whole family? Could you have taken them? Who would have won? Who

1:56

would have won on that one? Dude, it

1:58

kicks my butt. For

2:13

sure.

2:21

Any description of felonious or criminal activity is being

2:23

told here strictly for entertainment purposes and is in

2:25

no way an admission of guilt or even true

2:27

for that matter. know, you're sitting

2:29

next to somebody. Like your head is

2:31

literally like within 24 inches of their head.

2:34

The guy starts chewing gum, dude. That puts in a

2:36

couple pieces of gum and starts... chewing with

2:38

his mouth up and then like blowing little bows

2:40

and then pop like. I

2:45

got a bad case of mesophonia. Wait,

2:49

wait, wait. Back up. You have a bad case of what? Mesophonia.

2:53

What's that? It's a condition

2:55

where certain sounds drive you

2:57

just crazy. Oh, I've seen

2:59

that in you. Top of the list, of

3:01

course, is stepping on crunchy snow, dogs

3:04

at the base of the bed. I

3:06

know you hate that. Or I

3:08

also know that you really, really hate people chewing

3:10

with their mouth open. So you had this right

3:12

next to you. Like right and

3:14

then the dude's mom was in

3:16

front of us and she was doing

3:18

the same thing like really loud. I was just

3:20

like, I was like, yeah, I got a bad

3:22

case to be so funny dude. Like that stuff

3:24

is worse than fingernails on a chalkboard to me.

3:26

Like it's, I go, if you got to choose,

3:29

you got to just please keep your mouth closed.

3:31

And the guy, like he would

3:33

keep his mouth closed for like three or four

3:35

or five cheeses in order to go like a

3:37

loud smack, like like tongue smack

3:39

one, like lip smack, like

3:41

just the grossest. wet

3:43

sound like. And I was

3:45

just like, dude, like, come on, man,

3:47

like, we're in such a tight space.

3:50

I go, it's, to me, it's like,

3:52

it's worse than like having like a smoker next to

3:54

me or something. And I hate smoke. And he's

3:56

just like, so I pay for my seat. in my

3:58

spot. I'm not doing, I'm not doing anything

4:01

wrong or I'm doing what's in my rights or

4:03

whatever he said. I just go, but

4:05

yeah, it's just not if you're going to be cool. And

4:07

like, we're all, we were all trying to get like

4:09

somewhere at the same time and it's a little tiny. aluminum

4:12

can fly through the air. So

4:14

we got to be respectful for others.

4:16

He's like, you try being respectful. the

4:18

one talking. I was just like, if

4:20

you're going to be an asshole about

4:22

it, but I was getting really worked up because

4:24

it makes me go crazy. I was ready to

4:26

fight him and his brother, his dad, and his

4:28

mom all at once. I

4:31

asked the stewardess

4:33

to move me. I said,

4:35

I'm going to freaking snap. I was

4:37

really close to snapping. I was like, so

4:39

she finally moved me. F

4:41

you Okay, well

4:44

like I guess that that's a good

4:46

introduction to secondary Bobo who we have

4:48

a number of Bobo's favorite things to

4:50

say on our soundboard So Matt Pruitt

4:52

can pipe it in whatever he darn

4:54

well feels like it Robo Bobo

4:57

Robo Bobo Robo

4:59

Bobo watch it like

5:01

Bobo cop Well, you did

5:03

say he was a good time police. But

5:05

yeah, that sucks being on a plane with

5:07

inconsiderate people is the absolute worst. Yeah

5:10

All right. So Vegas airport, I've been there

5:12

a couple of times. It's pretty crazy place.

5:15

Lots of drunk people wandering around. Melissa

5:17

was in the Vegas airport last

5:19

year. She had a layover somewhere.

5:22

She saw the thunder from down under,

5:24

right? Yeah. Yeah. She heard this ruckus

5:26

and she didn't know what it

5:28

was. And she thought it was an

5:30

active shooter because there's so much shrieking

5:32

and screaming and all this other

5:34

stuff. And when it turns out it

5:36

was just thunder down under the

5:38

male strippers. I'm coming through so so

5:40

nothing happened in the airport like that was pretty smooth

5:43

getting out of the airport. Oh Russell

5:45

mania was going on. I

5:47

saw an old wrestler God

5:49

who was I can't remember now I saw

5:51

an old an old wrestler like WDF

5:53

got from like the 80s or

5:55

whatever Wow the prime

5:57

era. Oh for sure

5:59

Yeah, it was it was dead heads

6:02

and Russell mania fans Oliver That's

6:05

amazing. So how'd you get from

6:07

the airport to the hotel? Or you didn't even have a hotel.

6:09

What did you do? You went straight to the Venetian that

6:11

was just kind of attached to the sphere or what? I went

6:13

straight to the sphere. I met Bill

6:16

and he was standing out front. I met him and

6:18

we just went in and then as soon as the gig

6:20

was over, he was super tired. It was his third

6:22

night the road. I was super tired. I

6:24

was going to go gamble and he goes,

6:26

hey, you're too old to go gamble all night.

6:28

And he goes, so I got you a

6:30

room. Aw. Yeah.

6:33

No, oh, that was that was the big

6:35

problem while I was late to also get

6:37

there. While I was flying there, my credit

6:39

cards got canceled for a fraud. Who

6:41

were you defrauding? I

6:44

was. Oh,

6:47

I get it. I always see someone is defrauding you. Yeah.

6:50

I was the victim this time. So

6:54

while you're in the air, this happens.

6:56

That's what good timing. Yeah. So

6:58

I land and then I can't

7:00

get a frickin Uber. or a

7:03

lift because my car, like, well,

7:05

then I switched car and I

7:07

had a back, I had three

7:09

cards and they all got canceled

7:11

for like the same type of

7:13

like online advertising company was charging

7:15

me multiples. So getting

7:17

back wasn't an issue. So you got, you went to a

7:19

hotel. What time was your flight the next day? Oh,

7:22

my flight was at eight in the

7:24

morning. Yeah, oh gosh, you don't

7:26

do well in those hours, man. I mean,

7:28

I know you have a job now because

7:30

I was I went I went for early

7:32

flex I thought I was gonna be staying

7:34

like it's just sitting in the Casino gambling

7:36

site. I wanted to get as early a

7:38

flight as I could So I got the

7:40

first one I could get was eight. I

7:43

took that one and then I'd order the

7:45

uber when I got Oh, they turn on

7:47

my card for 15 minutes finally the night

7:49

before And then it was permanently turned

7:51

off, but I got 15 minutes. And so I gave

7:53

the credit card for the room. And at the same

7:55

time, I ordered an Uber for the morning, but

7:57

then the card wasn't working in the morning. I thought like I paid for

8:00

it then. So I was good to go. Then

8:02

so that they didn't, that Uber didn't

8:04

show up, uh, supposed to get picked up

8:06

at six between 630 and 645. That's

8:09

stressful to me because, you know, you and

8:11

I have, have, have, uh, argued over this before

8:13

actually had some words because I don't. I

8:15

like to show up to the airport early. You

8:17

know, the two hours or so that they...

8:19

I get there way early. You

8:22

had an eight o 'clock flight and you're going

8:24

to catch an Uber at 6 .45? Well,

8:26

I was only 10 minutes from the airport. That's

8:28

not way early. Yeah, I was going

8:30

to be there an hour ahead. And I got PSAT

8:32

checkup Sunday morning early. I didn't realize at

8:35

Vegas, that's like the most crowded flights just

8:37

about was Sunday morning. It was like, dude,

8:39

it was insane. I got there. Well, I

8:41

got there. I was supposed to

8:43

get picked up at 6 .15 and

8:45

get there at 6 .30. So I

8:47

was like, that's an hour and a half. That's more reasonable

8:49

to me. Yeah. And

8:51

then, yeah, I was going to be there at

8:53

6 .30. Then I ended up not getting

8:56

there until like after seven. And

8:58

I was in line when they said, yeah, like,

9:00

I was like, oh my God, dude, it was

9:02

like a traffic jam playing in the airport. And

9:04

it was packed. It was like shoulder to shoulder.

9:06

The line was so long to get out of

9:08

there. Yeah, so was just

9:10

in that line. I didn't sleep much.

9:13

Are you the kind of guy that can sleep on a plane? Usually,

9:15

yeah, but not this time. Was

9:18

the plane ride back a little more soothing

9:20

than the chopper sitting in the chair next to

9:22

you? Yeah, yeah,

9:24

yeah, totally. Okay,

9:26

cool. Got back, no harm, no

9:28

foul, no arrests. You have your credit card,

9:30

it was back to working now. Back to

9:32

work, your regular deal now. Yeah.

9:35

Welcome back, Bubba. Well,

9:37

Matt, you have something planned for us today,

9:39

don't you? Yeah, it's been quite a

9:41

while since we've done a finding Bigfoot centric

9:43

episode I thought it'd be fun to

9:45

do a whole episode about experiences or encounters

9:47

that you've had During the filming of

9:49

the show and it's sort of like reference

9:51

points I went to the animal planets

9:53

YouTube channel where they have an official finding

9:55

Bigfoot playlist and so I tried to

9:57

scroll through and grab a bunch of moments

9:59

that Either both of you or at

10:01

least one of you were present for. So

10:04

I thought maybe if there are certain stories or

10:06

encounters that come to mind that you guys wanted

10:08

to explicate or I could throw some of these

10:10

at you or all the above. And just we've

10:12

been doing this podcast so long that I know

10:14

it feels like we talk about it a lot.

10:16

But then I remember like, oh, no, most of

10:18

the people listening are here because of Finding Bigfoot.

10:20

And we used to do more Finding Bigfoot centric

10:22

episodes. So I thought it'd be fun to do

10:24

one of those today. I can't

10:26

believe they still have that stuff up on

10:28

their website. It's been like quite a while now.

10:30

I mean, it's been what the show went

10:32

off the air in what 2017 or 18, except

10:34

for that one that won off in 2020.

10:36

So God, that's, you know, eight years or something.

10:38

That's insane. And yeah, some of

10:41

the clips are only like a year

10:43

old, a couple of years old. So

10:45

they're like recycling moments from episodes and

10:47

releasing those as new clips. Absolutely. So

10:49

some of these clips say, you know,

10:51

11 years ago and some of them

10:53

literally say uploaded to YouTube eight months

10:55

ago. That's insane, man. That's just insane.

10:57

No, did people still watch it? I

10:59

get messages from people like, I watch

11:01

it every night before I go to

11:03

bed. I get several of

11:05

those. I speak to people

11:07

who say that same thing and

11:09

it's like, that's wildly odd to

11:11

me because there's nothing more soothing

11:13

than money makers shrieking into the

11:15

night. Yeah. That's just me though.

11:17

I don't know. What do I know about falling asleep? Not

11:20

much. Well, anyway, Pro -Itz, what do

11:22

you have for us here? What do you just want to do? Well,

11:25

do you guys have any stories that come

11:27

to mind first or do you want me to

11:29

just start with the clips? Oh gosh, I

11:31

don't know I mean you should probably just toss

11:33

an episode to us because after a hundred

11:35

from at least from I mean Bobo you can

11:37

speak from your own experience of course, but

11:39

to me at least after a hundred ish episodes

11:41

They all kind of mush together into one

11:43

thing and without an anchor. I don't know you

11:45

know where to where to point the boat,

11:47

you know I found one clip That involves a

11:49

sound incident and the title of the clip

11:51

is hearing a big foot howl on an investigation

11:54

And the description reads, the team delves

11:56

into the Ozark Hollows in search of

11:58

the Sasquatch colloquially known as the Blue

12:00

Man. A packed town hall verifies

12:02

that Bigfoot's have been here for generations, and

12:04

an eventful final night has them convinced

12:06

the Ozarks are the real deal. Ozarks.

12:09

That's from Missouri. We see it in, was it Branson?

12:11

Is that the name of the big town over there?

12:14

Where did we go? I remember one investigation

12:16

we went out there. There was a

12:18

juvenile involved, if I remember right, not a

12:20

juvenile human, but a juvenile Sasquatch involved.

12:22

I was pretty impressed with the habitat for

12:24

the most part, but not a lot

12:26

sticks out to me at the moment about

12:28

that particular episode. What do you

12:30

remember, Bobo? Jogged my memory. I

12:32

know something happened. I'm so

12:35

busy thinking about having a beer with Greg Brady at

12:37

the bar. You had a beer with Greg

12:39

Brady at the bar? Yeah, he

12:41

lives there. He was doing his

12:43

like... man's show. What? Yeah,

12:46

Manchuk was friends with Manchuk that hung out with him

12:48

like before we got there, so he already knew him.

12:50

You're kidding me. No. That's

12:53

insane. And I just missed

12:55

going over to, he was hanging out

12:57

with Carrie Fisher. He was hanging out with

12:59

Carrie Fisher, too, from Star Wars. What?

13:02

Yeah. Oh my god, did you get to

13:04

meet Carrie Fisher? No, but we

13:06

were gonna, like he was, she wanted

13:08

to like party with us. She used to

13:10

party pretty hard, from what I understand. Barry

13:13

Williams, that's his name, isn't it? Yeah,

13:15

Barry, yeah. Yeah, because he had

13:17

a show there in Branson. That's right. That's

13:19

right. Yeah. So you

13:21

actually drank beer with Greg Brady? Yeah,

13:23

like a bunch of guys from the crew

13:25

did. That's amazing. I would have

13:28

loved to have done that. Yeah,

13:30

he definitely did not want to talk to

13:32

any Greg Brady s*** with us for

13:34

sure. No, who would? Who would?

13:37

I think that's why, I think that's why they like hanging

13:39

out with us is like, We know the drill, we're not

13:41

going to sit there and just bum them out. Wow.

13:47

Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

13:49

with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be

13:52

right back after these messages. Three

13:59

to six months doesn't seem like a

14:01

long time, right? In

14:03

Bigfootland, it's not very long because we've been

14:05

looking for Sasquatches for decades and decades

14:07

and decades. When you think about what

14:09

can happen in three to six months, what would you

14:11

do in three to six months? I'm going to

14:13

give you six months. Go. Squatting.

14:16

Squatting, of course. And how much do you think is going

14:18

to get done during that time in squatting? you going

14:20

to see one in six months? Probably not.

14:23

But in three to six months, what

14:25

you can see if you're not

14:27

going to see a Sasquatch is thicker,

14:29

fuller hair, regrown from hymns, our

14:31

sponsor, hymns. Not bad for just three

14:33

to six months. What if you

14:35

start using hymns now in six months?

14:37

Just imagine. That thick, full crop

14:39

up there. Yeah, because hymns will

14:41

give you a convenient access to a

14:44

range of hair loss treatments that work

14:46

all from the comfort of your couch.

14:48

They make it pretty simple, man. They

14:50

use real doctors. It's clinically proven ingredients.

14:52

They use like finasteride and minoxidil. And

14:54

I love that idea, no doctor visits,

14:56

because first of all, doctors, who wants

14:58

to go see a doctor? Nothing personal

15:01

doctors. But also you make an appointment

15:03

now, you get in August or something,

15:05

forget that. So this process is simple

15:07

and 100 % online. And I know

15:09

you have access to the internet because you're listening

15:11

to us right now. You can pick how you

15:13

want to do it, like chewables, oral spray, serum

15:16

treatments, whatever you want. I mean, they

15:18

can work with you and customize it to

15:20

what your preference is. Yeah, like it

15:22

could be a one -time thing. It could

15:24

be ongoing care. No insurance is needed at

15:26

all, and it's all at one low

15:28

price. And that covers everything from these treatments

15:31

to the ongoing care, if you so

15:33

choose. Well, they always say

15:35

the proof's in the pudding, and there's

15:37

hundreds of thousands of subscribers that trust

15:39

it and give it positive reviews. So

15:41

there you go. There's your pudding. Thick,

15:43

hairy pudding. Search

15:45

your free online visit today at

15:47

hymns.com slash beyond. That's

15:49

H -I -M -S. dot com

15:52

slash beyond for your personalized

15:54

hair loss treatment options.

15:56

Hems dot com slash beyond.

15:59

Results vary based on studies of topical

16:01

and oral monoxidilin finasteride. Prescription products

16:03

require an online consultation with a health

16:05

care provider who will determine if

16:07

prescription is appropriate. Restrictions apply. See website

16:09

for full details and important safety

16:11

information. Bobo was that

16:13

the the Missouri episode that you told

16:15

me about that there was someone in the

16:17

audience who claimed to have shot one?

16:19

Yeah. That's a story I think

16:21

people should hear because I think we might

16:23

have touched on it on a public episode

16:25

But I know you told me about it

16:27

on a phone call once and that was

16:30

like a wild story. Maybe that person listens

16:32

I said I said here I've said another

16:34

interview saying like dude if this is you

16:36

they can get a hold of me But

16:38

um, you know, it's funny because it's just

16:40

it's really similar to another story I heard

16:42

he was either 15 or 17 I think

16:44

he was 17. Yeah, he was 17 other

16:46

story the guy was 15 He

16:48

was 17. It was the first time his dad

16:50

let him go hunt by himself on opening day.

16:52

He usually had to sit with his dad in

16:54

the blind or whatever and get his shop sitting

16:56

there next to his dad. So his dad

16:58

says, all right, you're old enough. You can have your

17:01

own spot this year. He was all excited.

17:04

And as he was hiking out

17:06

there, he was walking. It wasn't far

17:08

from camp. I mean, it's like a regular campground.

17:10

There was other people camp there. A

17:12

few other people was kind of spread out. And

17:14

he had only walked maybe five,

17:17

six hundred yards from camp, and he came

17:19

into this dry riverbed, and

17:21

as he starts to get ready to cross, he

17:23

looks over and sees, like, he thought

17:25

it was bears darting in and out of, like, bear

17:27

cubs on the other side, like, darting

17:29

in and out of the brush, coming on the riverbank

17:31

a little bit, then going back in, and then he

17:33

raised his rifle. I think he

17:35

had, like, a three by nine or whatever, something like that,

17:38

and it was good enough to, you know, he zoomed in on

17:40

it, and he's looking at it, and he's like, there's young

17:42

ones, and he said there was five, six

17:44

adults in the brush and there

17:46

was probably the same amount of young

17:48

ones smaller than him running around

17:50

on the outside. As

17:52

he's looking through, he

17:54

comes up, all of sudden this big male

17:56

steps out and he focuses in on the

17:58

big male and it just looks right at

18:00

him. He was looking at those naked

18:02

eyes like, oh my God, this giant one

18:04

comes walking out and he lifts his rifle and

18:07

looks at As soon he lifts his rifle,

18:09

things face just changes into like sheer rage. And

18:11

he'd been pointing the gun looking at like

18:13

the females and young ones too. And

18:16

the thing just goes. And

18:19

he said, he was looking at, he was looking at

18:21

it. And before did the, ah, he like, he was

18:23

looking at, he lifted his gun up. And when he

18:25

lifted his gun up, that's when it just screams and

18:27

starts running. He looked at it

18:29

and said, he's trying to focus. And he

18:31

goes, it was coming so fast, he

18:33

couldn't keep the focus on it. It was

18:36

changing too fast. So he lowered the

18:38

rifle, he said after about three seconds, he

18:40

said, after three seconds, that thing was.

18:42

Over six had gone over 60 yards and

18:44

was closing in so fast. He said

18:46

he just left of the gun up and

18:48

he said but he said when he

18:50

fired he was only like 30 feet from

18:52

her. So he just shot at point

18:54

blank in the chest and he just described

18:57

the exact exact same way that for

18:59

the Sierra kill site Justin when he describes

19:01

his How it went down and like

19:03

also this other guy that we talked to

19:05

you Fredis and I, this kid that

19:07

shot one on Mount Shasta like 20 something

19:09

years ago, right before the doctor, Dr.

19:11

Johnson had his sighting at Oregon Caves, like

19:14

that same, like within a two week period

19:16

that whenever that was, this kid shot one.

19:18

That was another kid on his first day

19:20

of hunting season, his dad let him go

19:23

by himself on first day of rifle season,

19:25

first time alone. He

19:27

shot one and all three of those guys said

19:29

the same exact thing, like the dropped instantly

19:31

popped back up and it went into like a

19:33

sprinter's position, like Both hands on the ground

19:35

and like it like one leg right underneath its

19:37

chest and their leg like trolling behind like,

19:39

you know, getting in that sprinters pose ready to

19:41

blast off running. And it took off and

19:44

it just charged up this hill went over the

19:46

ridge and he heard it just crash and

19:48

like just no more sound. And

19:50

he was like, oh my God.

19:52

And he was just freaking out. He

19:54

ran back to camp. His dad

19:56

heard it. His dad came back to

19:58

camp because he thought he got

20:00

a deer and Yeah, so later

20:02

that afternoon they went up there, they waited a few

20:04

hours to make sure that thing was dead or whatever. They

20:07

went up there, they found like full blood trail. I

20:09

guess he said he put it right through its lungs,

20:11

one of its lungs or something, there was like tissue and

20:13

stuff. And he tracked the blood

20:15

trail and his dad said that it

20:17

was bleeding heavy and then it went

20:19

about, the creature traveled like 200, 230,

20:21

220 yards, something like that, up over

20:23

this little ridge, then collapsed and there

20:25

was a big pool where it had

20:28

been bleeding out. But it was just

20:30

gone. I think the other ones carried

20:32

it away. And then

20:34

that night, they started hearing a

20:36

full, frickin' cacophony coming from the other

20:38

side of the dry river. You

20:41

see those ones where he shot it?

20:43

He's going like, he said, his

20:45

dad said it was so scary. He

20:47

said it just sounded like demons from hell.

20:49

And then all of a sudden, they came

20:51

towards their camp. And then it

20:53

just went dead quiet. And like 20 or

20:55

so, they started hearing whispering sounds like that. trotting

20:59

through the camp like they were moving

21:01

all around the camp and his dad Chambered

21:03

around like, you know, like loaded his

21:06

rifle It just went dead quiet. They heard

21:08

like a little bit scurrying of scurrying

21:10

of feet and they went out there with

21:12

their lights Nothing and they never came

21:14

back. They never they never came back that

21:16

night. They wait till the next morning

21:18

Looked around there was like impressions or nothing

21:20

like they could catch it and they

21:22

saw a bunch of foot impressions Like

21:25

I think he said they were like

21:27

10 or 14 inches Muslim. There was like

21:29

there was at least one truck that

21:31

set that was really big They didn't they

21:33

didn't measure them and they just they

21:35

just took off out of there But yeah,

21:37

and the dad and the kid were

21:40

both there and the kid was still Distraught

21:42

it had been like five years Wow,

21:44

and he told that on camera right and

21:46

they just didn't use it. Yeah, they

21:48

said that's too violent That's wild man. That's

21:50

a kind of cool behind -the -scenes story

21:52

from an episode like that, for sure. I

21:54

mean, those stories are always fascinating. They

21:56

show him talking about his story before.

21:59

We don't feature him because he wouldn't do

22:01

it. He wouldn't go on camera and

22:03

say he shot one because he didn't want

22:05

to deal with the backlash. But I'm

22:07

pretty sure he's on the episode, I think,

22:10

talking in the beginning when they

22:12

just show little clips of

22:14

town hallocks. They'll show a guy

22:16

saying one or two sentences or something. He

22:18

had something like that on there, but he didn't say like I shot

22:20

it. I don't think he said he shot it. I think he just said.

22:23

Whatever he was saying, like it came across at

22:25

him or something. I don't think they include

22:27

anything about the shooting him. That's

22:29

wild. And yeah, each of these clips

22:31

that I'm mentioning, they will be linked in the

22:33

show notes, folks. So if you want to see

22:35

the clip from the episode we're referencing, just look

22:37

at the episode description and it'll be there. Yeah.

22:40

And I mean, while Bobo was talking there, while

22:42

I was listening, I pulled up. the

22:44

Missouri episode, because I have all the episodes

22:46

of my hard drive, you know, because they

22:48

gave us, you know, the digital copies before

22:50

they released them out of courtesy to us.

22:53

So anyway, I was kind

22:55

of scrubbing through it.

22:57

And our final night investigation

22:59

was with a gentleman,

23:01

a musician called Shoji Tabuchi,

23:03

Japanese American music fiddler. And

23:06

he was out there with us.

23:09

He was our search technique. Which

23:12

is rad because I was when I pulled

23:14

it up and I looked at the final

23:16

night and thinking what what did we do

23:18

here? I saw me walking around at the

23:20

guitar. I said a guitar no kidding and

23:22

oh, yeah, that's right I I accompanied this

23:24

gentleman here And then I kind of scrubbed

23:26

through the rest of it to kind of

23:28

see what I was missing to kind of

23:30

try to jar my memory a little bit

23:32

and of course we had Ron Bowles in

23:34

there Ron Bowles is a BFRO diehard I

23:36

think is a nice way to say it

23:38

he he's doing all the Missouri stuff and

23:40

he loves, he loves them some BFRO. I'll

23:43

tell you that. Good guy. He also loves

23:45

the Ozarks and I remember, you know, Ron's

23:47

a buddy of all of ours and he

23:49

has a very distinct voice. He's

23:51

heard me do my impression of him. We give each other

23:53

a hard time, but he once said to me, I

23:55

was who's our bread by god i'll

23:57

be who's our dad yeah yeah so

23:59

i'm kind of scrubbing through that i

24:01

mean the other things i remember off

24:03

the top you know renaid did a

24:05

i guess a camp and trip of

24:08

some sort out there but uh we

24:10

you and i bubble were on an

24:12

investigation with the motorcycle people i guess

24:14

they had a road crossing as near

24:16

as i can remember i don't if

24:18

you remember them or not but uh

24:20

the manner oh yeah yeah totally the

24:22

hardly guys sit in like He put

24:24

his foot up like he was gonna

24:26

like he was like a joust like

24:28

he was gonna kick it if it

24:30

came any closer. He just missed it

24:32

with his Yeah, that's what I yeah

24:34

exactly So there was that in that

24:36

episode and Like I said Renee went

24:38

solo camp in and I guess that

24:40

you and I also were on another

24:42

investigation where I Think that's where like

24:44

baby Squatch came up like There's a

24:46

little joke in there that Baby Squatch

24:48

was my rapper name or something like

24:50

that, if I remember. Was

24:52

that that one? I think it was that one. Yeah,

24:55

because they saw a juvenile and I stood

24:57

in as a juvenile as I often do,

24:59

probably largely due to my immaturity. So

25:02

that's what I remember about it. I remember Soji

25:04

had to leave, or Shoji. I always

25:06

mixed up this guy's name with my dog's

25:08

name, Soji. Shoji had to

25:10

leave early, so we finished the night investigation

25:12

without him. But I don't remember

25:14

if we got, I mean, I don't remember if we

25:17

got anything or not, but I remember, that's what I remember

25:19

about the episodes. It might have

25:21

been the first night we were without. Yeah,

25:23

first night, based on what I'm

25:25

looking at here, you and Matt were

25:27

out and you were wearing like one of those real

25:29

warm fuzzy hats, you know, like the Russian sort of

25:31

style hats. But oh, and we

25:33

also went to those like the nerd historical kind

25:35

of guy. Remember that that's kind of what brought

25:37

us down there because they didn't have a piece

25:39

of evidence for Missouri, but they really wanted us

25:41

to go there. And we usually went to a

25:43

location based on a particular piece of evidence that

25:45

we could pull out like a photograph or a

25:47

footprint or something like that. But they didn't have

25:49

something like that. So we went down there and

25:52

interviewed some like historical reenactors at some cabin or

25:54

something like that about the balloon. Oh, that's right.

25:56

That's right. Yeah, so I don't know,

25:59

scrubbing through the helped

26:01

jar some of my memory, that's for sure.

26:04

And of course, Matt has beautiful,

26:06

glorious long hair. Oh yeah.

26:08

So. But

26:10

what I remember like times right where

26:12

I was sure I saw something on the

26:14

show was when we were in New

26:16

York for the baby footage, I had the

26:18

therm and it was the first time

26:20

we got that that therm. I remember it

26:22

was the first time we had it.

26:24

And I wasn't too great at focusing it

26:26

all the way, like

26:28

getting it all dialed in on that. And there was, we

26:31

had, we had those knocks and all that. We were at the

26:33

baby site. I

26:35

saw two, like, I

26:37

didn't really, wasn't from at the

26:39

therm, but two glowing balls of

26:41

light that looked like, I

26:43

didn't realize how big they were at the time. They must

26:45

have been like seven plus, like seven to eight feet or

26:47

something. And just really wide, but there

26:50

was no detail to them at all there,

26:52

just like balls of light. walking,

26:54

they came over the hill, we're watching us, we're

26:56

getting ready to, we were packing up and all

26:58

that, getting ready to leave. Like we'd

27:00

already done our interviews and stuff. I

27:02

was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And then

27:04

I had someone else look out, they're like, you can't tell

27:06

what it is. I said, I know, but we should send

27:08

someone over to do a size comparison. So

27:11

I ran up there and they were gone when I got

27:13

up there, there was no one there. But

27:15

got like a better idea of the

27:17

distance, you know, it was. Probably at

27:19

200 yards, they were about 150 to

27:21

200 yards closer to 200. Then

27:24

when I did some experiments with that

27:26

same thermal with the next few nights,

27:28

I was like, those things were big.

27:30

They were so big. Money

27:32

makers didn't even compare to them

27:34

at the same rough distance. Falls

27:37

of light to the visible eye or

27:39

heat signatures on the thermal? Heat

27:41

signatures. You can see how it is. You

27:44

can see the Pack a

27:47

stick figure in the middle almost and

27:49

there's a it's like really rounded around

27:51

it. Mm -hmm the light like the

27:53

therm It was doing that That was

27:55

one of the other one. I thought

27:57

was uh Was these guys was that

27:59

night cliff. We were in Iowa at

28:01

The yellow yellow River State Park like

28:04

that. It was the night after we

28:06

had the foot stomping incident and all

28:08

that No, it was the same that

28:10

it was just before that where we

28:12

got that one huffed at us and

28:14

stomped his feet Yeah, I remember the

28:16

noises that we got. I thought it

28:18

was a vocalization, though. But

28:20

it might have been a huff or something like that. I have to go back

28:22

and check. Oh, yeah, dude. And

28:24

then I was looking where those

28:26

guys were coming down the trail,

28:29

and I saw someone coming down

28:31

the trail. They turned

28:33

around and went back, and they

28:35

jumped off the trail, went

28:37

more east towards the Mississippi River.

28:40

And I was looking, and I see

28:42

this. Let's see this guy walk

28:44

down, turn around, like instantly, like just

28:46

like the classic squats, like there

28:48

was no, oh shoot, stop, turn, go,

28:50

it just spun on its heel

28:52

and like never even broke stride, was

28:54

just going back the opposite way

28:56

it came and it went off trail,

28:58

like away from me in some

29:01

brush. Then like five or 10 seconds

29:03

later, I see one of the

29:05

teams coming back, you know, like I

29:07

can see the camera guy and,

29:09

you know, producer and whoever

29:11

was with him, like Renee or whatever.

29:13

and they walked out, and this thing

29:15

was easily a third bigger than them,

29:17

easily, and twice as wide. had

29:20

to be a squash. That

29:23

was the night I hit

29:25

the rock. I thought I

29:27

had it going, and that

29:30

therm was super glitchy. mean,

29:33

I blew it. I should have

29:35

been more on it, but it

29:37

happened so fast the time I

29:39

made sure everything was right, it

29:41

was like, oh, shit, I'm not

29:43

recording. And I was super bummed.

29:45

Those were two like where I

29:47

was. I'm pretty dang sure

29:49

I had one on the thermo. I'm

29:52

pretty positive. That's awesome. Stay

29:55

tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

29:57

with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right

29:59

back after these messages. There's

30:07

one that says, they are here.

30:09

That was a Sasquatch. And

30:11

then the description reads, the team

30:13

has divided to find out which

30:15

state is more Sasquatch -E, which

30:18

is like, hey, guys, it's Squatch -E,

30:20

just for ease of use in

30:22

typing. Oregon or

30:24

Washington, Cliff and Bobo might be really

30:26

close to finding a big foot. So

30:28

that sounds like a Cliff line to

30:30

me. They are here. That was a

30:32

Sasquatch. Am I right? I think it

30:34

was me. Bobo would have been like, that

30:36

was a freaking Squatch, dude. Wait,

30:38

on that one, we

30:40

were We were up

30:42

north more, we

30:45

were real north Oregon. Yeah, the

30:47

Oregon Washington one, that's when Matt and Renee

30:49

were in Washington and I brought you out

30:51

to some like the blueberry bog and we

30:53

went to Will Call Hill and all that

30:55

sort of stuff. I bet you that was

30:57

Will Call Hill is what I'm guessing, which

30:59

is out there on the east side of

31:01

Mount Hood, kind of towards Doofah in that

31:04

general area, pretty far out there. kind

31:06

of on the south side of the Dalles

31:08

watershed and stuff in that general area out there.

31:10

A lot of good stuff happens out there.

31:12

Super interesting habitat, real dry. It's

31:14

not the moist, you know, semi -temporate rainforest

31:17

that we have on the west side of

31:19

the Cascades. So you have a lot

31:21

more, you have all those animals and

31:23

a bunch of other animals too that kind

31:25

of prefer the drier side of things. Yeah,

31:28

I'm looking at it right now. Like

31:30

Will Robinson is actually in this episode.

31:33

Yeah, this is the one where we started out on the

31:35

boat. I remember that we went to rooster rock. Um,

31:38

uh, I think it's the state park or some

31:40

sort of official parks. I know you have to pay

31:42

to get in there. We launched out of a,

31:44

um, it looks zodiac was inflatable sort of boats. Um,

31:47

but, uh, uh, what you didn't see

31:49

on there is that we were right

31:51

on the edge of like a nudist

31:53

beach. And so, um, yeah, there were,

31:55

um, scantily clad or less people, men

31:58

and women, roaming around in the water.

32:00

It was a lovely time of year.

32:03

Pacific Northwestern this summer is just absolutely

32:05

perfect. Oddly,

32:08

an inhibited

32:10

Russian couple's doing

32:12

unspeakable things to each other in the water,

32:14

not far away. Yeah, so that

32:16

was an interesting setup, I guess. It was a

32:18

lot of fun, of course, and we get in

32:21

the boats and do our little zippy this way

32:23

and zippy that thing, that way sort of thing.

32:25

The TV stuff, you know, that brings everybody along

32:27

for the story. And then

32:29

the big foot stuff happened, of course. um

32:32

bobo and i were teamed up which was exciting

32:34

it was a lot of fun because you know

32:36

as bobo and i spend a lot of time

32:38

in the woods together but um at the same

32:40

time since i moved up to oregon a lot

32:42

less you know because bobo's down in california and

32:44

i'm up here in oregon so i got to

32:46

show bobo some of the spots like will call

32:48

hill and of course we started out the episode

32:50

with will robinson who's one of the funniest dudes

32:52

on the planet this totally

32:54

understated madman, as far as

32:56

I can tell, is

32:58

the craziest stories rivaled

33:01

only by Bobo's himself's

33:03

story, this insane stuff. But

33:05

we got a great vocalization up at this

33:07

place called Will Call Hill. Craig Flippi was there

33:10

when we actually got the vocalization. God,

33:13

that... I think that might have been one of

33:15

the last times I really did a night investigation

33:17

in that area. It's been a long time because

33:19

I found some spots on the west side of

33:21

the mountains and I just don't go out to

33:23

the east as much. But I

33:25

was literally talking about that spot today at the

33:27

museum with a couple of my employees in

33:29

there talking about the summer plans and what we're

33:31

going to do with ourselves over the course

33:33

of the next four or five, six months. And

33:37

I will call Hill is back on the

33:39

menu as far as I can tell because there's

33:41

some unwalked roads on that side that I

33:43

think would probably produce Sasquatch footprints. Um,

33:45

that are kind of gated off and no

33:47

one really goes in there and the substrate

33:49

is perfect in there to retain tracks for

33:51

a long time. Um, nobody really

33:53

goes off the road on that side. It's

33:56

pretty neat, man. It's a really neat area.

33:58

So, yeah, actually I have the

34:00

vocalization. I could probably send that to you, Matt, if

34:02

you want to play that vocalization for our listeners. I

34:04

will play that right. now. So

34:17

Bobo, I haven't seen this episode. I

34:19

wanted to ask you about this if you

34:21

remember it because it looks like it

34:23

was you and Renee, but the clip is

34:25

called inexplicable light appears while the team

34:27

investigates Yamsi Mountain. It says the team has

34:29

the privilege to visit the Yamsi Mountain,

34:32

a sacred place for the Klamath tribes. while

34:34

they investigate Renee and Bobo see a

34:36

strange light. Yeah, dude. I was

34:38

like, I remember looking out going like, there

34:40

you guys see that? There was two of

34:42

them. And I thought it was a,

34:45

it just looked like a headlamps like

34:47

bouncing down the trail coming towards us. And

34:49

I was looking through the thermo, but I

34:51

couldn't see anything like no, no people or

34:53

nothing. And you can see with the naked

34:55

eye and like, no one could agree on

34:58

what they were. And then they came closer

35:00

and closer than they just about 70 feet

35:02

from us. They turned and went, We

35:04

were on a trail and they went parallel

35:06

to our trail. They were

35:08

just bouncing along. We had thermal imagers,

35:10

night vision. Nothing

35:12

picked it up, not regular cameras, nothing like

35:14

a therm, nothing picked it up. But

35:16

they were right there and they were just

35:18

bouncing. They bounced like a

35:20

headlamp on someone walking. That's

35:23

bizarre. Yeah, everyone

35:25

there was tripping, like the camera

35:27

crew, like Renee was totally tripped

35:29

out. They're like

35:31

small, they're like eggs, like white

35:33

eggs just floating. And they

35:35

told us, oh, that's also when we drove in

35:37

there. They told us

35:39

about your car, like your

35:42

cars will die and sure

35:44

enough, the lead vehicle in

35:46

our convoy of like seven

35:48

vehicles breaks down inexplicably. It's

35:50

like whatever, if we film

35:52

there in 2016, it was

35:54

like a 2016 suburban, like

35:56

3 ,000 miles out, brand new,

35:58

just dies. do within 10 feet

36:01

where they said that the cars will die. Then

36:03

another one died there too. Then

36:05

our box truck, the battery

36:07

totally completely died, died, likely had

36:09

to get replaced the whole thing. So

36:12

that was pretty odd also. Had

36:14

you been up there before? Was that like off

36:16

limits to the public sort of thing? I'd never

36:18

been there. Yeah, it was tribal only. Oh,

36:21

very cool. That's awesome that you guys got

36:23

to go up there. It was rad. Yeah, it

36:25

was a bitching spot. Speaking

36:27

of pitch and spots and one of the other

36:29

clips I saw that, I don't know if we

36:31

talked about it on here before, but when you

36:33

guys went back with Money Maker to where he

36:35

had his first sighting in Ohio, because I've heard

36:37

that story from him and you know, it's been

36:39

talked about a lot, but I kind of wondered

36:41

what both of your impressions were of the site

36:43

and I'm sure he got pretty stoked being back

36:45

there. Dude, it was the most excited he got

36:47

the whole time we filmed. He was, that was

36:49

the most stoked, most fired up he was, and

36:51

he sweat extra hard even for the Money Man. Yeah,

36:55

he was on fire. He was

36:57

really excited about it. And I don't

36:59

think he'd ever done a recreation

37:01

at the exact spot that it happened.

37:03

So it was good for him. It

37:05

was good for him in lots

37:07

of ways. And he really kind of

37:09

wrapped his mind around finally what

37:11

he encountered that night, you know, after

37:13

doing all these recreations for so

37:15

many years and so many seasons on

37:17

the show to see the Sasquatch

37:19

that he personally saw at 20 foot

37:21

distance or whatever it was or

37:23

less. Right there in front of them

37:25

and Bobo just failing to match

37:28

the size and girth and Presence of

37:30

whatever it was that he observed

37:32

that night. You know, yeah, he was

37:34

animated like money makers always animated

37:36

But he was extra money maker animated

37:38

this one was that it was

37:40

a wildlife refuge, right? Yeah,

37:42

the Berlin wildlife refuge. I think

37:44

it is outside of Akron in

37:46

Ohio. Yeah, really neat area being

37:48

from the West And it's probably

37:50

exactly true for the opposite of what I'm

37:52

going to say as well. But being

37:54

from the west, it's really hard to wrap your

37:56

head around what the habitat is in the east.

37:59

You know, and I know that Ohio is kind of Midwestern or

38:01

whatever, but we'll just call that east because it's certainly east

38:03

of here, where I am. Growing up out

38:05

here, I just assumed that Sasquatches needed

38:07

all this huge amount of land and freedom

38:09

to roam and all this others. No,

38:12

no, they don't. They don't. They just need

38:14

enough. They need enough land and enough

38:16

corridors that pop in here and there. So

38:18

when you look at the Berlin Wildlife

38:20

Refuge, whatever, outside of Akron in Ohio, there's

38:22

a lot of land there, but it's nothing

38:25

compared to say Oregon or Washington or something. It's

38:27

just not, you just can't compare the two.

38:29

There's so much more land out here. But yet

38:31

the Sasquatches get along just fine back there.

38:33

And when you get down, you can

38:35

put your boots on the ground out there.

38:37

It's like, oh yeah, this is deep, dark,

38:39

jungly stuff. No wonder they're in here. They

38:41

just don't need as much of it. As

38:44

i thought as i thought they did

38:46

before i started learning more about sasquatches is

38:48

kind of like that that that misconception

38:50

that so many people have that you have

38:52

to go in the middle of middle

38:54

of nowhere to find a sasquatch no you

38:56

know just right outside of town is

38:58

totally good enough as long as right outside

39:00

of town has enough land for them

39:02

to wander around and it turns out they

39:04

don't need that much. They just don't

39:07

need that much the more the better but

39:09

they don't need. that much to be

39:11

there and the berlin thing is really really

39:13

drove that home. How

39:15

deep and dark and weird and spooky

39:17

a place can be even though

39:19

it there's not like you know eighty

39:21

miles in every direction of wilderness. You

39:24

know like like a lot of us think that has

39:26

to be the case when you watch you know the tv

39:28

shows and read the books and all that sort of

39:30

stuff like we all did growing up you know. Now

39:33

i know there's a squatchy story. behind

39:35

this episode. I haven't even seen the episode

39:37

yet, but the the clip is titled

39:39

something creepy on Creepy Mountain. And

39:41

the clip is of a 12 year old

39:43

boy describes a face -to -face encounter with the

39:45

largest legendary creature around Bigfoot. But I know

39:47

you guys had some interesting stuff happen there

39:50

during the filming of that episode. That's got

39:52

to be Alabama, right, Bubbo? Yeah, it

39:54

was when I had my solo when Tyler

39:56

saw it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was,

39:58

yeah, we had them right around our camp.

40:00

I thought, dude, that was, that was one

40:02

of those times I thought, We were really,

40:04

really, really close to, well, if Tyler didn't

40:06

think it was me, he could have

40:08

got footage of that. And he watched the

40:11

thing. We were walking

40:13

up the road from base camp.

40:15

We were taking a long walk. As

40:18

we were going up, I pulled off to

40:20

the right side of the road and took

40:22

a leak, you know, and then just kept

40:24

walking. And Tyler was coming up

40:26

behind me. He was a couple hundred yards behind

40:28

me as he was coming up. When he

40:30

got about 100 yards from there, he saw something.

40:32

He thought it was me come out of

40:34

the brush from the other side of the road,

40:36

and it was milling all around where I

40:39

had peed. Then when Tyler got closer, it

40:41

went the opposite way it came from.

40:43

It went down into that little hauler

40:45

that was down below there, and

40:47

it went down into there. Then I

40:49

hear Tyler calling my name going, oh, what

40:51

are you doing? Where'd you go? I'm

40:53

right here, and he was just

40:55

shocked. He's like, wait. You

40:58

didn't just walk over there and go, no, I'm over

41:00

here. And we went back and we

41:02

were thumbing around. It came up and peed where I

41:04

peed. It peed over where I, because you can

41:06

see like where my pee was already cooled down a

41:08

lot. There was like a hotter

41:10

pee on top that like went into the

41:12

road. Like I peed there and then it

41:15

like, was like, you're not marking my turf. It

41:17

went out and peed where I had been. And it

41:19

was probably a foot and a half taller than me. That's

41:21

wild. Yeah. That was, they

41:23

came around us that night and then. I

41:25

didn't know that there was like a little

41:27

gully behind the drop off. We were out

41:30

there. There was some brush and because we

41:32

could hear him and I was like, how

41:34

can I not be getting this thing on

41:36

the therm and then because we set up

41:38

camp after dark. So we didn't really know

41:40

the lay of the land that great. We

41:42

knew like what was around us basically, but

41:44

didn't know like she's like, oh, they can

41:46

easily hide down in there. So

41:49

that it was cool. I mean, that was I always thought

41:51

I was going to go back there, but I never

41:53

been back there since. Yeah, I've never been

41:55

down to that spot. I'd love to check it. I

41:57

mean, it's not far from me up here in Nashville. Oh,

41:59

you gotta go. Yeah, it's a cool

42:01

spot. You know, I think we did all of our night

42:04

investigations at that location, didn't we? I

42:06

believe so, yeah. If

42:08

we went mud rucking with those

42:10

guys, they're big mud bogging trucks. Yeah,

42:12

that was fun. You know, that video is

42:14

not bad either. That video that led us out there,

42:17

no, I didn't mind it a bit. Did

42:19

Paul Halsey obtain that? Yeah.

42:22

You guys know Paul passed away

42:24

recently? No. I

42:26

didn't know that. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah,

42:28

I had several conversations with Paul

42:30

over the years. First,

42:32

when I was in the BFRO and organizing

42:34

expeditions, he reached out and we talked and

42:36

then I met him. I think

42:38

it was at the Ohio conference. I think

42:40

it was the year that we did

42:42

the Bigfoot trivia. So 2019, but it was

42:45

one of those conferences and I finally

42:47

met him in person and in that bar

42:49

there at the Salt Fork. state park

42:51

lodge where we did the tribute. So I

42:53

think it was that year. But

42:55

yeah, I had heard, I think it was

42:57

last year, sometime within the last like six

43:00

months or something like that, that unfortunately, Paul

43:02

had passed away. I had no

43:04

idea. I had no idea. And like

43:06

his buddy last name was Bassett, Adam

43:08

Bassett. Is that right? That sounds

43:10

very familiar. I think I've exchanged emails with Adam.

43:12

That name sounds very familiar. I think that's it.

43:14

And again, if he listens, I'm sorry, I just

43:16

meet too many people to keep my own mind

43:18

straight. But yeah, those

43:20

are the guys that got that video.

43:22

And of course, I think I saw Paul

43:24

at the sort of another conference I

43:26

did down in Alabama, something down there. Yeah.

43:29

Yeah, it was a fun gig, too. I think I did

43:31

it the first year it was going on. It was

43:33

a really fun gig. He came out and he shared a

43:35

bunch of footprint casts that he obtained with me. Really

43:38

cool, really interesting stuff. It's never really seen

43:40

the light of day. I

43:42

think Alabama I

43:44

think that's probably pretty safe to say that

43:46

I think Alabama might be one of the

43:48

unsung heroes of Bigfoot. Because

43:50

a lot of stuff happens down there, but apparently

43:52

not a lot of people are publishing very

43:54

much from down there, so no one hears about

43:56

it. You had a friend who was a

43:59

longtime Sasquatch researcher, like multiple decades, who

44:01

went by the name Tal Branco online. This

44:03

is sort of a pseudonym, and he spent

44:05

a lot of time in Alabama. He actually

44:07

published a book called I think

44:09

it was the southern Bigfoot files. I'll find

44:11

it and I'll put a link in

44:13

the show notes. But he was going to

44:15

publish a series from multiple states, but

44:17

he only ended up publishing one specific to

44:19

Alabama. But it's very interesting. There are

44:21

all cases that he personally investigated, but it

44:23

is a squashy state. I need

44:25

to spend more time down there. I'm always

44:27

going back to my favorite haunts in Georgia, but

44:30

it's right down the road for me. So

44:32

maybe I'll start going there more often. Yeah,

44:35

why not? I mean, it's not that far from

44:37

me. It looks like it's just pretty much south for

44:39

you, isn't it? This is closer than Georgia. Oh,

44:41

it's a lot closer than Georgia. There's areas

44:43

of south Alabama, too. Like, I'm not a

44:45

big swamps guy, but this guy, Tal Branco,

44:47

that I was mentioning, he told me once,

44:50

and I've never been down there to check it

44:52

out. I think it is public land. I

44:54

think there's a wildlife management area there. But if

44:56

any of you south Alabama squatters around, Tal

44:59

was a real funny, you know, very

45:01

southern guy who's from Arkansas. And

45:03

he told me, he'd always call them boogers, you

45:05

know, he'd be like, oh, hell, there's boogers here,

45:07

and there's boogers there. And he once told me,

45:09

he said, if there's any place that

45:11

got more boogers than anywhere else, it's the

45:13

confluence of the Tom Bigby and Alabama rivers.

45:16

And I forget what county of Alabama

45:18

that's in, but it's a very

45:20

gnarly, thick, swampy area close to the

45:23

southern border of the state. And

45:25

it looks amazing. And he said of

45:27

all the places he'd been repeatedly that

45:29

place, he thought had the most activity.

45:31

He had some really fascinating stories from

45:33

around there, too, that he

45:35

had investigated. But I'm a mountain's guy. I

45:37

don't know about going and hanging out in

45:39

those swamps. But if any of you guys

45:41

are close, the confluence of the Tom Bigby

45:43

and Alabama Rivers is apparently a good place to

45:46

be. Too many snakes and gators.

45:49

Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

45:51

with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right

45:54

back after these messages. Now,

46:01

one of the recurring characters that we've mentioned

46:03

very often on the podcast and that has

46:05

been a guest on the podcast, there's a

46:07

clip of this individual. So for those of

46:09

you who haven't seen him, you can see

46:11

this in the show notes, but I wanted

46:13

to ask if this was the first time

46:15

you'd met him. The clip is called. two

46:17

men and a ton of footprints in Kentucky.

46:20

Obviously, the team heads to Kentucky

46:22

to investigate an impressive selection of

46:24

supposed big footprints, and not even

46:27

Renee can deny their quality. Take

46:29

that, Renee. So was that the

46:31

first time that you met Tom Shea? Yeah,

46:33

it was. The guy wasn't even on my radar.

46:35

I remember being excited about it because I

46:37

heard, I think it was Man Tooth. I think

46:39

a Man Tooth was... Sean man tooth was

46:41

I think he was a fixer for that one.

46:43

He said that we got a guy He's

46:46

got a footprint cast and stuff, but they didn't

46:48

really tell me that much about it Which

46:50

is the way of production because they want authentic

46:52

at least our show I don't know can't

46:54

speak for all shows our show wanted authentic reactions

46:56

to what was really going on in the

46:58

moment, you know, so So they didn't tell me

47:00

much about it except there's gonna be some

47:02

cool footprint cast and stuff I remember Tom Shea

47:04

was there that dude Rodney. I think was

47:06

there. I think that was it And

47:09

we met him out in front of tom's

47:11

house tom still lives there been to his

47:13

house couple times since then. And they had

47:15

footprints out on the truck bed you know

47:17

in the tailgate of the truck bed. And

47:19

i'm looking at these and once you get

47:22

this one because we got that one yesterday

47:24

and they go what no way you know

47:26

and um and so that was the beginning

47:28

of a beautiful relationship basically between tom shea

47:30

and i um that is still going on

47:32

to this day i think i spoke to

47:34

tom two weeks ago at the most i

47:36

mean. contact with the guy quite often. He's

47:39

become a very, very good friend and a mentor in

47:41

a lot of ways. Bobo

47:43

and I actually went out. I think you were there. You

47:45

were with me, Bobo, when we went out there and tracked

47:47

with him for that afternoon. That was

47:49

great. That was college for me. I

47:52

very often say that I'm not a

47:54

great tracker and I'm not. I'm a

47:57

hobbyist, but Tom is a great tracker.

47:59

I've had the privilege of tracking

48:02

with him a couple times

48:04

and a couple other Excellent trackers

48:06

as well. So my education

48:08

I'd say that three or four

48:10

hours that we spent with

48:12

Tom Shea that day out in

48:14

his location was More informative

48:16

Than the previous ten years of

48:18

my big footing, you know,

48:20

I learned more about tracking and

48:22

the attitude the thought the

48:24

process the the sign the telltale

48:26

Miniscule details and all that

48:28

sort of stuff from that that

48:31

afternoon Tom Shade I

48:33

learned more than ever, I think. So

48:35

I really owe Tom a tremendous

48:37

amount in my education as a big

48:39

footer, I think. Yeah, he's

48:41

the man. Yeah, and of course that night

48:43

when we went out, I

48:45

remember you and I and Micah, I think

48:47

was our producer on it, if I remember

48:49

correctly. We went out

48:51

to Tom's spot, like where a

48:53

lot of that Goliath data has

48:55

come from. And I

48:57

was at the time, I didn't really appreciate

48:59

it because I was not. uh as

49:01

familiar with the tom shade data as i

49:03

am now you know now tom's a

49:06

good friend i talked to him pretty frequently

49:08

i have a number of his footprint

49:10

cast and copies and such uh we spent

49:12

hours on the phone together etc i'm

49:14

much more familiar with the lore in that

49:16

particular part of kentucky than i am

49:18

now and i gotta say looking back i

49:21

did not appreciate it for what it

49:23

was at the time, like going out to

49:25

the spot where a lot of this

49:27

Goliath stuff came from. And knowing the fact

49:29

that the habitat in that area is

49:31

great, of course, but also the

49:33

ground, the substrate itself in that particular part

49:35

of Kentucky is special because it holds footprints

49:38

for quite a while, then it rains, and

49:40

then the ground expands because the water content

49:42

then dries off later and then keeps more

49:44

or less the same shape. It just sorts

49:46

the print a little bit. The bottom line

49:48

there, you can find tracks there. in the

49:50

ground like in impressed into the ground two

49:52

or three four or five inches that uh

49:55

had been there six months prior to that

49:57

event just to think of that we were

49:59

walking around in that stuff without really even

50:01

looking down because it was nighttime and we're

50:03

walking through brambles and rose hips and all

50:05

that stuff we were probably walking over a

50:07

fair number of sasquatch tracks without even being

50:09

aware of it at the time probably happened

50:11

more than once i guarantee it I guarantee

50:14

it, I think it happened to me yesterday,

50:16

man. I was out in the woods for

50:18

a while yesterday and I kept, yeah, I

50:20

found a very old track way and I

50:22

kept stepping on part like that. I go,

50:24

oh, look at over here. And then I

50:26

realized I'm standing on top of another track.

50:28

It's like, gosh darn it. But they were

50:31

too old to do anything with anyway. But

50:33

still, yeah, it certainly happens probably a lot

50:35

more than anybody realizes. But yeah, when you

50:37

look back, when I look back at the

50:39

Finding Bigfoot episodes and a couple of them

50:41

really, really stand out in various ways. And

50:43

that one where I got to meet Tom

50:45

Shea, was a lot

50:47

more important, it turns out,

50:49

than I anticipated at the time. Now

50:51

that I look back, yeah, that

50:53

was a very important episode. At the time, I

50:56

just thought it was rad, but looking back now,

50:58

I realized that it was, you know, a turning

51:00

point. Yeah, I totally knew he had

51:02

someone specials, like talking to him and seeing his

51:04

stuff. I was like, no one's

51:06

heard of this guy. He's the best squatcher

51:08

in the country. Yeah. It kind of

51:10

set the bar for me, like everybody seen

51:12

in Bigfoot land, or not everybody, but

51:14

I'm jaded and I'm an old man, you

51:16

know, and let the kids get off

51:18

my lawn, I totally realized that. But it

51:20

set the bar for me in a

51:22

way that looking around at the landscape of

51:24

Bigfooters, everybody's screaming, look at me, look

51:26

at what I'm doing, look, look, look me,

51:28

me, me, me. And here's

51:30

this guy, quiet, humble. Nobody

51:33

really has heard of them at

51:35

that time and just doing the best

51:37

work out of anybody. It

51:39

really, it taught me. It

51:41

put things, it calibrated the

51:43

landscape for me in a different

51:46

way, where now I appreciate

51:48

the people who aren't doing, you

51:50

know, public shrieking about their

51:52

own situation. It's like the

51:54

ones who are quietly working in

51:56

the background, regardless of anything or anybody

51:58

else. Those are the ones that

52:00

are the most respect for me, at

52:02

least. Tom really put that on

52:05

the board for me. Oh,

52:07

agreed. But speaking of

52:09

best researchers in the country, there

52:11

is an epic 13 -minute compilation on

52:13

this animal planet thing. I'll also

52:15

put their whole playlist, because the

52:17

playlist for Finding Bigfoot is like

52:19

178 clips long. This

52:21

is a compilation called Bobo

52:24

Proves. why he's the top

52:26

Sasquatch investigator. Really? And so

52:28

it's like a compilation of clips. And

52:30

I was scrolling through the comments

52:32

and things like, Bobo, you're the best

52:34

and the cutest girl I've ever

52:36

seen. Another person says, yo, Bobo is

52:38

the new top G. So

52:40

what else says Bobo is definitely the

52:42

greatest ever Bigfoot investigator on earth.

52:44

Love him. Huge fan from Bangladesh. This

52:47

is just a whole bunch

52:49

of nonsense. A whole

52:51

bunch of Bobo love. Yeah, everybody loves themselves

52:53

a bobo. One of the top questions I

52:55

get when I go to do these road

52:57

gigs. How's my bobo? You

53:01

belong to everybody. There's just not

53:03

enough bobo to go around. They

53:05

tell me that I'm there bobo when I

53:08

see them too. Like, you're my bobo. All

53:10

right. How's my bobo? So

53:12

by the time this airs, maybe you will

53:14

have heard it, but you haven't heard

53:16

it yet as we're recording because it hasn't

53:18

been released yet. But in your absence, Cliff

53:21

and I realized like we forgot to bring

53:23

up that it was your birthday recently and

53:25

all the birthday love. And then I went

53:27

on a bit of a soliloquy about how

53:29

a bunch of my field research I owe

53:32

to your influence on mysterious encounters and such.

53:34

But now we were like, we should have

53:36

said all this while Bobo was on the

53:38

horn with us, but we were trying to

53:40

cram before you went to the dead. So

53:42

happy birthday. Once again, there was tons of

53:44

birthday love, loads of comments. But

53:46

I figured I should probably tell you that

53:48

officially. Thank you. Oh,

53:50

yeah, I feel like a terrible friend

53:52

because I remembered I saw tomorrow's Bobo's birthday

53:54

and then it came and then I

53:56

remembered Bobo's birthday like at midnight So I

53:59

completely missed your birthday and I think

54:01

this is the first time and probably almost

54:03

20 years that I didn't wish you

54:05

a happy birthday. So I don't care I

54:07

Care I care I try to hold

54:09

myself to a higher level of friendship than

54:11

that. You were you on the field

54:13

trip that day, right? Yeah, I

54:15

was out camping for those days. So

54:17

like I came back. Yeah, I came

54:19

back in phone range, I was going

54:21

to make a call and I couldn't

54:23

dial for like 20, 30 minutes because

54:26

this was loading one. It was notifying

54:28

me of a new text message or

54:30

voicemail. Everyone was several.

54:32

was like, you have 80 messages. It was like,

54:34

you have a new, I

54:36

guess I'm going to make a call and do another

54:38

one, another one, another one. I was like, oh

54:40

my God, I got so many people to get back

54:42

to you. That was my gift to you, not

54:44

wishing you a happy birthday. Thank

54:46

you. Every

54:48

year when I post the happy

54:50

birthday Bobo posts on all the

54:52

big fun and beyond socials, those

54:54

are always the most engaged with

54:56

and commented on posts every single

54:58

year. And are you 43 again? No,

55:01

47. 47. All right. Getting up

55:03

there. That is too funny. Yeah.

55:06

I mean, there's so many clips in this

55:08

playlist. So I don't know how many more

55:10

we want to go over if there's any

55:12

other stories that come to mind, but maybe

55:14

we could do this as a recurring thing.

55:16

Yeah. Just to let the audience know clips

55:18

about to be on the road for some

55:20

traveling stuff and so we're like oh let's

55:22

take this opportunity to record episode so we

55:24

kind of came up with this concept very

55:26

very quickly but you know next time. We

55:29

can handpick a number of clips

55:31

and you guys have a few

55:33

advance days of advance notice so

55:35

you can refamiliarize oh yeah here's

55:37

this this mat you know. And

55:39

whatever it's worth, if there's any

55:41

other show ideas, feel

55:43

free to submit them. And we're always looking for

55:45

stuff to talk about. Guests

55:48

are not easy to wrangle because of all of

55:50

our schedules and the limitations I have on when

55:52

I can be able to record. And Bobo's got

55:55

a job and all this other stuff. So if

55:57

you have ideas for show ideas, my God, share

55:59

them with us, please. We'd love to hear about

56:01

it, and we'd love them. Maybe it's just like

56:03

recurring segment that we do every once in a

56:05

while. It would be

56:07

a lot of fun. You know, I don't know.

56:09

I don't know. Taste test stuff. I have

56:11

no idea. Like whatever you think would be fun

56:13

to listen to us three weirdos talk about,

56:15

you know. Indeed. So what's

56:17

up with those shirts? Are the shirts ready

56:19

to be bought yet? Like the brand new

56:22

Bruce Lee styled shirts designed and approved by

56:24

Matt Pruitt. The shirts are live

56:26

on the website. So if you click the

56:28

link in the show notes to the

56:30

Bigfoot and Beyond merch, the 2025 shirt design

56:32

is out there now. We made it

56:34

available to members first and it's been a

56:36

hit there. Brandon told me that we've

56:38

already sold as of this recording the shirts

56:40

been live for two days for members

56:42

and he said we've sold more of those

56:45

than any other design so I'm feeling

56:47

slightly victorious all the exactly at this point

56:49

in time and so those shirts are

56:51

available and I think he's doing hoodies too

56:53

it looks like he's getting a hoodie

56:55

listing so I know summer's coming but if

56:57

you want to get a hoodie if

56:59

you live in a cold state or if

57:01

you want to be prepared for fall

57:03

and winter Hoodies will be available as well.

57:05

So check the link in the show notes for those. I

57:08

knew it. I told everyone that Truett's design

57:10

would be number one, and I was right.

57:13

I can't even tell the difference between the

57:15

regular Bobo and then BoboCop. That

57:17

was my moneymaker. Nailed

57:20

it. Oh, yeah.

57:23

If you do get an expanded soundboard,

57:25

we definitely need some moneymaker's things

57:27

in there too. That should absolutely happen.

57:30

Yeah. Well,

57:32

we saw the members sing the record here.

57:34

Should we go on and hop on and do

57:36

that for sure? I

57:39

Feel like I

57:41

have like unlimited power

57:43

at my fingertips. Don't

57:46

get your fingers broke All right,

57:48

Bob watch you get us out

57:50

of here man. I get yeah.

57:52

Well, all right folks. Thanks for

57:54

tuning in and joining us We're

57:56

gonna join our patreon family now

57:58

for some more every week we

58:00

do another hour for our members,

58:03

we're heading there now. so join us

58:05

beyond Bigfoot and Beyond. And so this

58:07

is a wrap up on Bigfoot and

58:09

Beyond, So until next week, y 'all keep

58:11

it beyond, no, not beyond Squatchy. Just

58:13

keep it Squatchy. The

58:17

best. Thanks

58:23

for listening to this week's episode of

58:25

Bigfoot and Beyond. If you liked what

58:27

you heard, please rate and review us

58:29

on iTunes. Subscribe to

58:32

Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you get

58:34

your podcasts and follow us

58:36

on Facebook and Instagram at Bigfootandbeyondpodcast.

58:38

You can find us on

58:40

Twitter at Bigfootandbeyond, that's N in

58:42

the middle, and tweet us

58:44

your thoughts and questions with the

58:46

hashtag Bigfootandbeyond.