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1:01

we've, I guess just listened to forever.

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One of my idols to be

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honest one of the reasons I'm

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doing this podcast and to have

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him on after all these years

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I gotta tell you it's a

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it's a real surreal moment for

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us and you'll hear that in

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there in the podcast. So without

1:19

further ado let's talk about Calvin

1:22

Dahan the end of the season we

1:24

recorded before the game because

1:26

it doesn't matter. And here

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we go here's Mark Messier.

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Bush or Reagan events welcome to

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your host Ryan meet I'm here

1:51

with my co-host Greg Kaplan

1:53

Gregorin the season is over How

1:55

are you say hello me here you there?

1:57

Full disclosure Greg and I just

2:00

with Steve Summers in is I guess

2:02

a lifetime achievement award for us. Yeah

2:04

like I'm on cloud 700 I don't

2:06

know what cloud I'm on it this

2:09

is I never thought this podcast would

2:11

be big enough to have Steve Summers

2:13

on the podcast and yet here we

2:15

are. Yeah so we have a now

2:17

that we're really happy we can talk a

2:20

lot of shit about the New York

2:22

Rangers because so ready yeah I guess let's

2:24

start so they lost um I guess

2:26

they're against hurricanes. We all saw that coming.

2:28

Beforehand, Rod was like, I think there

2:30

was a question like, are you thinking

2:32

about ending the season series? We have bigger

2:35

things to fry. And they did, they

2:37

destroyed the Rangers. They fucking crushed him. That

2:39

end of the Ranger season. And then,

2:41

the most important thing happened, which I think

2:43

we'll talk about now. So Molly Walker,

2:45

our dear friend of this podcast, ran into

2:48

Calvin Dehan at optional practice. Sure did.

2:50

Calvin Dehan walked past us. This is from

2:52

Molly perspective perspective on a. And he

2:54

was about to get on the ice and

2:56

commented on how it's finally over. He

2:58

said something to the effect of, how well,

3:00

how about the way I've been treated

3:02

here? It's fucked. We asked him if he

3:05

wanted to talk. He said yes, and

3:07

he said he would be quote unquote,

3:09

baritrous. transparent. After coming off the ice and

3:11

having a conversation with New York Rangers

3:13

PR, who's noticeably watching everything, that's my words,

3:15

not Molly's. Or Steve Summers for that

3:17

matter, because he gets brought up again. It

3:20

does. Dahan decided he wanted to wait

3:22

until the end of the season so he

3:24

could get more information. What information was,

3:26

this is Ryan speaking again, I have no

3:28

idea. To end this tweet, I confirmed

3:30

it was his decision and he said yes,

3:33

but it was clear the blue shirts

3:35

did not want him to talk, Gregory, Yeah,

3:37

I'm curious for your take, but I'll

3:39

hit you with mine first, since you asked

3:41

first, like the good podcast host that

3:43

you are. Thank you. I saw a

3:45

lot of people, a lot of non-range people

3:47

and range of people like being like,

3:49

this is the fifth player to speak out,

3:52

it's clear there's a bigger problem, blah

3:54

blah blah blah. My main takeaway from Calvin

3:56

to Hans speaking out, he's the first

3:58

one that has legitimate point. Uh,

4:01

what do you mean by legitimate point? Because

4:03

I think Zach Jones and Koppo Kocko had

4:05

legitimate points. I mean, the Kocko quote goes.

4:08

You're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna back for

4:10

Kocko the entire time, I understand. No, no,

4:12

no, not just because I love the man

4:14

and I miss him daily, but the, the

4:17

Koppo quote of like, hey, we're playing 33

4:19

year olds that are not performing, and I'm

4:21

getting benched, like that's like, like, like, like,

4:23

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

4:26

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

4:28

like, like, like, Listen, if anybody valued Zach

4:30

Jones, he'd be anywhere else. So I've stopped

4:32

feeling bad for Zach Jones quite a while

4:35

ago. I feel more bad that Brady Shiter

4:37

was playing through an injury. This is the

4:39

point I'm getting to. So you're Calvin Dahan.

4:41

You are traded from the Colorado Avalanche, a

4:44

team with legitimate Stanley Cup aspirations, to a

4:46

dumpster fire of a Ranger team that is

4:48

trying to figure out its new identity crisis,

4:50

along with potentially... securing a spot in the

4:53

playoffs. So you are going from the Golden

4:55

Goose to the sack of shit. That is

4:57

frustrating. Not only are you doing that move,

4:59

you, Calvin Dahan, were traded for Ryan Lindgren.

5:02

A player at this point in their careers,

5:04

it's safe to say is an inferior hockey

5:06

player. So the message the league is telling

5:08

you is that they think this broken-bodied, underperforming

5:11

20-something defenseman is better than... the steady hand

5:13

that is Calvin Dahan. So that already conjures

5:15

up some bad opinions. Then you go to

5:17

the Rangers, you play in three games. The

5:20

Rangers get points in all three games. They

5:22

were still the New York Rangers in all

5:24

three games. I think you and I, when

5:26

we talked about Dahan's performance, were pleased. We

5:29

weren't overwhelmed. We weren't overjoyed. We were optimistic.

5:31

We didn't think Calvin Dahan could save this

5:33

New York Ranger team, but it was nice

5:35

to have. a steady hand in the lineup

5:38

and steady the ship. One of the things

5:40

we said was Calvin Dahan is an analytic

5:42

starling. and this is a good get for

5:44

Chris Drury because he's probably legitimately better than

5:47

Ryan Lindgren is playing currently and it can

5:49

be someone that just is low event hockey.

5:51

Yes, and the knock we had on Dahan

5:53

is he's clearly a player that can only

5:56

play X amount of minutes. You can't play

5:58

him 20 plus minutes a night, you can't

6:00

expose him to all special teams plays. He's

6:02

perfected being a 16 minute a night defensive

6:05

defenseman and he does it well and we

6:07

respected that. And then the Rangers went out

6:09

and traded for Carson Susie, a player that's

6:11

under contract for next year, that the Rangers

6:14

have higher expectations for. So Susie was given

6:16

more opportunities than, Dhan was off the rip,

6:18

yada yada yada. But the Rangers, who every

6:20

night their coach goes to the microphone and

6:23

says the playoffs are a priority, we would

6:25

like to make the playoffs, we want to

6:27

win every game that we play. These are

6:29

the words coming out of the coach's mouth.

6:32

And he's saying those things at the same

6:34

time playing, playing. and injured Braden Schneider, which

6:36

I don't know how much to Han knew

6:38

he was injured before yesterday, and also playing

6:41

to a lesser extent, Erjo Vacanainen, who would

6:43

be the other bottom bearing defender that could

6:45

come out of the lineup for Calvin to

6:47

Han. Calvin Han is a better hockey player

6:50

than both those players. He's a better hockey

6:52

player than both those players healthy. And then

6:54

I think when the news came out that

6:56

the New York Rangers, a team that again

6:59

their coaching staff said... We're trying to win

7:01

games. We're playing an inferior and injured defenseman

7:03

instead of Calvin Dahan. I too think that

7:05

would piss me the fuck off. Especially if

7:08

you were scratched every single game and you

7:10

know you're a game. Like all these athletes

7:12

are psychos, right? We all agree. They would

7:14

tell you to your face their psychopathic. Like

7:17

they are competitive people who want to play.

7:19

Yes. So when Calvin is talking to the

7:21

media and said I will be fully transparent.

7:23

the greatest PR and probably his agent got

7:26

to him. And I will say this by

7:28

saying, like, he wrote this. tweet to get

7:30

ahead of it. He responded to our dear

7:32

friend Johnny Lazarus. Johnny said, you know, Calvin,

7:35

not as known the media or Ranger, anything,

7:37

I'm very excited. Calvin responded. I've gone through

7:39

all of Calvin's Twitter for the past like

7:41

year. This is the most he's ever written.

7:44

This is the most sensible he's ever been.

7:46

So I've just take this with a grain

7:48

of salt and I'm going to briefly read

7:50

this. I'm getting ahead of this now. I

7:53

was hoping that I would have been able

7:55

to express this in a scrum setting versus

7:57

a quote as I was getting onto the

7:59

ice and having the internet 30 seconds later.

8:02

I said what I said because I am

8:04

frustrated in any competitor who says that they

8:06

would be happy in a position in a

8:08

competitor who says that they would be happy

8:11

in a position, they would be lying to

8:13

you. After playing three games for a team

8:15

going to one, I thought there maybe have

8:17

a good opportunity to jump to the lineup

8:20

and help and help win some games and

8:22

help win some games. We still want to

8:24

collect and collect some crucial points to climbing

8:27

the standings. I understand the youth movement in

8:29

the NHL and I'm getting older in hockey

8:31

years. I may not play every single night.

8:33

I feel like I can contribute and help

8:36

teams win. I know I'm going to, I

8:38

know I'm not going to play 20 minutes

8:40

a night. I've been, I've been not going

8:42

to play 20 minutes a night. I've been

8:45

in the past few years, but again I

8:47

feel like I can keep the team up

8:49

in certain facets of the most important part.

8:51

I'm not trying to be the villain or

8:54

gain attention or gain attention or gain attention

8:56

or throw shade or throw shade or throw

8:58

shade of the organization or throw shade of

9:00

the organization or throw shade of the organization

9:03

or throw shade of the organization or throw

9:05

shade of the organization. There's a space here

9:07

that looks like it wasn't written by him

9:09

and then a comma I would prefer a

9:12

scrum setting to chat about how my time

9:14

with the Ranger has gone as a player

9:16

you have to respect some line of decisions

9:18

whether you like him or not it's just

9:21

been frustrating not to go to compete and

9:23

do what I love I hope everyone understands

9:25

my gut reaction is he did not write

9:27

this so I think you wrote part of

9:30

it sure here's what I was like hey

9:32

put this in please here here's what I

9:34

mean by saying he's the first first first

9:36

player that really hasn't really hasn't really hasn't

9:39

really has complained Jimmy VC wasn't playing well.

9:41

He was part of the problem. The rangers

9:43

were starting to put younger players in the

9:45

lineup ahead of him who simply could try.

9:48

And when Jimmy VC comes out and says,

9:50

this is fucked, we felt bad for Jimmy

9:52

VC, but we felt bad for Jimmy VC

9:54

three years ago when his agent fucking railroaded

9:57

him and made him sign that ridiculous country.

9:59

Like that? So Jimmy VC kind of made

10:01

his bet. We didn't feel that bad for

10:03

VC. When Zach Jones spoke out, the Rangers

10:06

were like, listen, it's not going to

10:08

work for us even if we are

10:10

improperly evaluating you. We think we have

10:12

other options that are better. This isn't

10:14

us saying that we agree or disagree

10:16

with that assessment. That's simply what

10:18

they told Zach Jones. And then they

10:20

told Zach Jones, his agent, go find

10:22

a trade. Go, go out there and find

10:25

someone that wants your client and we

10:27

will facilitate it. And all other 31

10:29

teams said, no, we're good. So then

10:31

I'm sorry, I don't feel bad for

10:33

Zach Jones. He had his option. When

10:35

Kako said what he said, he wasn't

10:38

incorrect, the parts that you said. He

10:40

was also correct about the part where

10:42

Kako Kako said he wasn't playing well

10:44

enough. So he took responsibility

10:47

for his actions, for sure. He

10:49

understands he wasn't exactly making decisions hard

10:51

for the New York Rangers. He was

10:53

frustrated by his lack of chances, but

10:55

he understands he played a role in

10:57

that decision as well. So it pocketed

10:59

a lot of the feelings I had

11:01

about Capo-Caco. But when Calvin Dahan says

11:03

it, so if this is an organization

11:05

that is based on results, he came

11:07

in, he only played three games, he

11:09

didn't make any glaring errors in those

11:11

three games, he played quite well. This

11:13

was a team that wanted to keep

11:15

winning, which is why they didn't flip

11:17

him again. a couple days later when the

11:19

trade deadline came up, he thought he could

11:21

be a useful veteran steadying force on

11:24

a team that desperately needed one. And

11:26

then the Ranger said, well, no, we're

11:28

going to play this injured fourth year veteran

11:30

at this point, and Braden Schneider, who you're

11:32

better then, but we're going to keep

11:34

playing him, and we're also going to play

11:37

Erhovak and Aynin, who we didn't have a

11:39

relationship with 25 games ago. You know

11:41

what, I'll go one further. Susie was

11:43

god damn awful. But they took Susie out

11:45

of the lineup and they were like, you

11:47

know what, we're also going to put Zach

11:49

Jones back in the lineup over you, a

11:52

player that we asked to go find himself

11:54

a train. So like if you're Kevin to

11:56

Han and you played three games and you

11:58

played well in those three games. He's not

12:00

coming out here being like I could

12:02

have wanted Norris if you played me

12:05

He's simply saying by the rules you

12:07

Peter Lavalette and staff established I did

12:09

everything you wanted me to do did

12:12

it successfully and you rewarded me by

12:14

telling me to go fuck myself Like

12:16

I think Alvin Dahan is the first

12:19

Ranger that has the right to be

12:21

angry. He He he succeeded when asked

12:23

and the Ranger said nah, fuck you.

12:25

We're good I did invite him on

12:28

the podcast. I doubt he comes on.

12:30

But stranger things have happened, I guess.

12:32

Well, we just talked to Steve Summers

12:35

today, so you never know. So you

12:37

never know. Well, so wild. I just

12:39

don't, I wish, how do I say

12:42

this? I'm not trying to be mean

12:44

towards Molly here, because I think she

12:46

did the right thing reporting this right

12:48

away, right? But I do think we're

12:51

not going to get what he was

12:53

going to say before now. Right like

12:55

it might he might go on like

12:58

what's chaos next year or something like

13:00

that and talk about some behind-the-scenes stories

13:02

But I think because of the temperature

13:05

in the room and what's been described

13:07

by many people as a shit show

13:09

In back there I think this would

13:11

have been the prime opportunity for him

13:14

to just let loose just go and

13:16

say everything that we want to know

13:18

because there's look at the locker room

13:21

Greg who's going to actually talk and

13:23

say something real at the exit interviews

13:25

Vincent Trojek should but he won't and

13:28

that'll give us a new reason to

13:30

be angry at Vincent Trojek. Like J.T.

13:32

Miller's not going to say anything because

13:34

I really enjoyed my time here. We're

13:37

going to rebuild. I haven't been here

13:39

long enough. The only time J.T. Mill

13:41

is going to say something is the

13:44

day Ritaka gets fired and hired by

13:46

the ranges. Maybe. No, but you know

13:48

what it made me think of? So

13:50

this entire year, I've been trying to

13:53

put into a capsule to a capsule

13:55

how I feel about this team. And

13:57

I do go back to thinking this

14:00

is going to shock you Ryan sit

14:02

down about the Mets the 2022 Mets

14:04

and the 2023 Mets won I think

14:07

what was it 103 games most successful

14:09

team of my lifetime but lost in

14:11

the the first round of the Padres,

14:13

everything sucked. What do they do? They

14:16

rolled everything over to the next season

14:18

and really just made around the edges

14:20

changes to the roster, like they added

14:23

Tommy Fame. That's the name I'm gonna

14:25

bring up again. But in 2022, everything

14:27

about the Rangers was about preparation, attention

14:30

to detail, acknowledging all the little things

14:32

in every baseball game. It was the

14:34

most prepared met team of all time.

14:36

That is what Gary Keith and Ron

14:39

would say on a constant basis. It's

14:41

what the players would say on a

14:43

constant basis. Every time they were asked,

14:46

they would compare what they were doing

14:48

under Louis Rojas to what they were

14:50

doing under Buck Show Walter and say

14:53

how it's these little things. We feel

14:55

more ready every time we step up

14:57

to the plate and take the field.

14:59

It's a concerted effort to be more

15:02

prepared. These exact same players rolls over

15:04

the next season. A new player, Tommy

15:06

Fan, comes into the equation, is understanding

15:09

of all these stories he heard about

15:11

from the year before from the year

15:13

before. Understand it's the same manager. The

15:16

only real change was Jacob the Graham

15:18

goodbye Justin Verlander in so it's not

15:20

even like there was a Vacuum suck

15:22

up hours suck in the locker room.

15:25

What happens? Well the Mets sucked and

15:27

what happened Tommy fan one day gets

15:29

behind a microphone as As I think

15:32

it was the week he was traded

15:34

and someone asked him a blunt question

15:36

is like hey, what was going on

15:39

with the Mets? and Tommy fans like

15:41

Those guys just didn't practice. It's the

15:43

most relaxed room I've ever seen in

15:45

my life. And I was like, wait,

15:48

what's going on here? The year before,

15:50

every story we ever heard is this

15:52

team is more prepared out to wazoo.

15:55

And suddenly, the World Baseball Classic happened,

15:57

they instituted a pitch clock, players were

15:59

gone for all the spring training, so

16:02

Buck Shaw Walter didn't get to sprinkle

16:04

his magic fairy dust over the entire

16:06

roster, and they lost 90 games. And

16:08

Tommy Fam! who was having a great

16:11

season and was an outsider in the

16:13

Metlock Room from a lot of different

16:15

backgrounds. wasn't antagonizing the players when he

16:18

said it. He answered a question honestly

16:20

and just said, yeah, those guys, they're

16:22

too mellow, ain't gonna happen. But this

16:25

is, this is sort of the point

16:27

I have against, if we, if Malia

16:29

and Peter, who I love dearly, and

16:31

this is not me criticizing them, I

16:34

get this is their job, if they

16:36

hold back on tweeting that out and

16:38

just wait the two games to talk

16:41

to Dahan, don't you think it's a

16:43

little different conversation? PR wasn't responding to

16:45

the tweet. PR was responding to the

16:48

action. Once PR's, once PR saw it,

16:50

it was over. The fact that Dhan

16:52

even responded on Twitter is incredible. I

16:54

think, well, I think he was forced

16:57

to. I don't think it was forced

16:59

to. What do you mean he was

17:01

forced to? I think, I think he

17:04

got a couple messages from his agent

17:06

and other people being like, you should

17:08

probably address this now before it becomes

17:11

something bigger. That's all. I don't know.

17:13

I think, I think, once, I think

17:15

honestly, we know Molly very well. We

17:17

are getting to know Peter. I think

17:20

when both of them, once they saw

17:22

PR, they're like, well, well, tweet it.

17:24

That's it. It's over. Yeah, but again,

17:27

I just think, I, I, I, I,

17:29

I really don't think Dahan is talking

17:31

about the, the, the, toxic nature of

17:34

the locker room. You can go from

17:36

I'm not trying to say anything bad

17:38

about the organization and an hour earlier

17:40

be like how about me how way

17:43

I'm treated here, huh? It's fucked, right?

17:45

Yeah, but I don't think I don't

17:47

think when Calvin Dahan says this is

17:50

fucked, I don't think he's saying what

17:52

the Rangers did to Chris Crider earlier

17:54

this season is fucked up. I think

17:57

what he's saying is This coaching staff

17:59

asked me to do a specific thing.

18:01

I succeeded in doing that specific thing

18:03

and they still told me to go

18:06

fuck myself All while they were trying

18:08

to win hockey game. I'm just laughing

18:10

because there's definitely a guy driving around

18:13

with his like 11 year old son.

18:15

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. He's like, all right,

18:17

that's the last time they're going to

18:20

say it. Oh, Steve Summers is on.

18:22

This will be easy. Yeah, I just,

18:24

to me, when Dhan did said what

18:26

he said, like he's the one that

18:29

I kind of understand. Everybody else to

18:31

me comes off as little winerish as,

18:33

you know, someone changing. the dynamic in

18:36

the lacquer room being a little bit

18:38

unhappy, being promised one thing and not

18:40

delivered in terms of a team scope.

18:42

Calvin Hahn comes here, is probably told

18:45

a very specific thing from the coaching

18:47

staff, does a very specific thing that

18:49

coaching staff wants them to do. Again,

18:52

in the six possible points, the Rangers

18:54

could have gotten, they got five. And

18:56

this is a sport where if things

18:59

are going well, you don't make any

19:01

changes. We're never going to revisit finger

19:03

gun finger gun and Calvin Hans looking

19:05

at himself and over 30 years old

19:08

defenseman that needs a contract next year

19:10

and had a really hard time getting

19:12

a contract the year before and telling

19:15

himself like what the fact like this

19:17

is my sports mortality we're talking about

19:19

here. You fucked me. You fucked my

19:22

ability to possibly get a contract next

19:24

year because you a bad team. told

19:26

every other team in this stupid league

19:28

that doesn't ask any questions about whether

19:31

a player is actually good or bad

19:33

by sitting me these many games in

19:35

a row and being as horrible as

19:38

we were you just told every other

19:40

team that I wasn't good enough to

19:42

play on this dumpster fire so they're

19:45

not going to sign me that's fucked

19:47

up and I'm like yeah Calvin you

19:49

got a point buddy Yeah, you know

19:51

what Calvin good job? He's he's truly

19:54

Ryan the first one that I think

19:56

has a point and I feel bad

19:58

for it There's a couple other things

20:01

we do have to get to if

20:03

we're gonna wrap the Calvin on conversation

20:05

up. Because we do have to talk

20:08

about gay bro with scratch three games.

20:10

That has to, that probably has to

20:12

happen. What a stupid league. So Othman

20:14

gets bench two, which is just like

20:17

I, it's hard for me to comprehend

20:19

this. So it's all lobulate making these

20:21

decisions, right? That's, I think we can

20:24

agree that is happening. Yes, the NHL

20:26

is still the league where, um, it

20:28

seems like baseball has been working on

20:31

this narrative the last couple years where.

20:33

managers are getting credit for things when

20:35

they go correctly. Like, it was all

20:37

Carlos Mendoza last year putting Francis Glendor

20:40

in the lead-off spot, when really, it

20:42

could have been his idea, but it

20:44

doesn't happen unless he gets a blessing.

20:47

It was the nerds. Like, the nerds

20:49

did it. But even then, it doesn't

20:51

happen unless David Stearns is like, sure,

20:54

try it, why not? Like, it's something

20:56

you run up the flagful before you

20:58

do. My statement about the nerds stance.

21:00

I think coaching staffs in the National

21:03

Hockey League for whatever reason work unilaterally

21:05

and I gotta tell you that should

21:07

fucking stop. So love you let and

21:10

I think you agree will probably be

21:12

fired at the end of this week.

21:14

Oh you think we would agree? I'd

21:17

imagine he's fired on Thursday or Friday.

21:19

Do you think he was already fired?

21:21

We are recording before the game. We

21:23

should say that. Yeah, so but here's

21:26

my question. If you're Peter Lavalette, and

21:28

I know he was asked about this

21:30

following the game, he's like, he loves

21:33

the season goes this badly, everybody has

21:35

to be like that. Everything's getting looked

21:37

at by the way. If you're Lavalette,

21:40

and it is, it is Monday, April

21:42

14th, you have a game tonight, you

21:44

have a game on Thursday. Are you

21:46

telling me? So I'm gone, right? Yeah,

21:49

like, hey, can we talk? Are you

21:51

up? Like, there's never been, this is

21:53

what's mindboggling to me. There's never been

21:56

a conversation with your boss about, hey,

21:58

am I in trouble? Am I on

22:00

a performance enhancement plan? Like, oh, I

22:03

needed to make the playoffs to keep

22:05

my job? Oh, that's very interesting. Well,

22:07

we didn't. Any thoughts on that? Like,

22:09

I know that's being looked at,

22:12

quote unquote. It doesn't, I loved

22:14

year one lobby let. I cannot say this

22:16

enough. So, all of the coaches we've covered

22:18

on this, year one lobby let

22:20

is my favorite year. Everything worked.

22:22

Everything you said earlier about practices and

22:24

being prepared and culture. Everything was there

22:27

and it all went to shit. I

22:29

mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,

22:31

I can't say like the good times

22:33

were over the second week of October

22:35

and I didn't see it till November,

22:37

but it was over and Lavelet was

22:39

that this year. I It's very annoying

22:41

to not have him take responsibility for

22:43

anything ever not once but I do

22:46

have to ask what you're telling me

22:48

it would really make you feel better

22:50

if Lave that got behind a mic

22:52

and just said my bad I'll tell you

22:54

what I would make me feel better

22:56

of him or jury both came out

22:58

and said hey I'm responsible for these

23:00

guys like it's my job to make

23:02

sure They're more prepared like it

23:04

doesn't matter if it's true or not show

23:06

some humility Like this team sucks.

23:09

To be fair, while jury didn't

23:11

say the words, Ryan, he traded

23:13

his captain this season. Okay, not

23:15

the first time the Rangers have

23:17

done that. No, but they were

23:19

better then. Like the Rangers kind

23:22

of blew up this core. So

23:24

some responsibility from jury was taken.

23:26

And the memo pretty much said,

23:28

I don't think we're good enough.

23:30

We're going to start this now.

23:32

Yeah. So responsibility, again, I am not

23:35

coming off as a jury sympathizer right

23:37

now. He was fired between now and

23:39

the end of the season. I think if

23:41

you asked me that five months ago, I'd

23:43

be like, that seems really dumb. Now

23:45

I just don't really care. Again, my

23:47

problem, as is my problem with Lavalette

23:49

being fired. He should be fired.

23:52

I'm just not excited about the

23:54

prospect of firing because I don't

23:56

think they're going to hire someone

23:58

fun. Same goes for juror. If

24:00

I had any belief that the

24:02

Rangers could be fun, excited, unique,

24:05

different. from the other teams in

24:07

this national hockey league. I'd rather

24:09

the Corps of Margaret Mead be

24:11

the GM than going shrilly. It

24:13

sure would be fun. It would

24:15

be. Because here's the thing, think

24:17

of the guys that have worked

24:19

recently. Think of Florida. When they

24:21

hired Bill Zito, that was not

24:23

meant with rousing applause. That was

24:25

like another hockey life for getting

24:27

yet another chance. What's he going

24:29

to do this time? When they

24:31

hired Paul Maurice, he won a

24:33

lot of games in Winnipeg, couldn't

24:35

get over the hump and people

24:37

were like, oh Jesus, fucking Christ,

24:39

you're going to hire Paul Maurice,

24:41

not one of these other fun

24:43

candidates, blah blah blah. Then they

24:46

win a cup and everyone's like,

24:48

you know, it was a fucking

24:50

genius, right? Bill Zito and Paul

24:52

Maurice. Next level thinkers. Sign. So.

24:54

Yeah. So I guess spare me

24:56

on like wanting things. I just.

24:58

I don't know, Chris sure is

25:00

the devil I know, right? I

25:02

think he has some good ideas.

25:04

I think he does some outlandishly

25:06

stupid things too. I mean, concepts

25:08

of plans. Yeah. He's like, he's

25:10

like a Scott Tot, you know?

25:12

Yeah. It's a good idea until

25:14

someone has to pay the bill.

25:16

It is hilarious though, I do

25:18

want to get to the game

25:20

thing because I do need to

25:22

at least harp on it. At

25:24

the time it was one game.

25:27

It was one game. I wanted

25:29

to be upset about it, but

25:31

like this entire team sucks. So

25:33

I couldn't really get upset about

25:35

it. And again, we are recording

25:37

before the game today. So he

25:39

could be scratched again if he

25:41

is, oh my God. Yeah, but

25:43

who cares? Like that, it's just,

25:45

here's the thing. The negotiation with

25:47

him to get him to leave

25:49

Boston College was he wanted to

25:51

sign now, the Rangers didn't want

25:53

to sour the relationship with the

25:55

player, so they signed him. Even

25:57

if they understood, the moment they

25:59

signed him, it was gonna burn

26:01

a year of his ELC, which

26:03

is what he wanted, but that

26:06

is not what was best for

26:08

the New York Rangers. At some

26:10

point you do as a smart

26:12

GM. You have to accept, okay,

26:14

you have to concede to the

26:16

player. If he wants to burn

26:18

a year, let's burn a year,

26:20

next year is the most important

26:22

year anyway. We need him in

26:24

our lineup next year. If it's

26:26

really gonna make a difference for

26:28

him, just sacrifice the L, take

26:30

it, eat it, whatever. That year's

26:32

getting burned regardless of how many

26:34

games you played. At the same

26:36

time, once he's here, and your

26:38

team sucks. Have I mentioned that.

26:40

That was a fucking piss dream

26:42

that went away into a toilet

26:44

many weeks ago. This is a

26:47

team that is dead on arrival.

26:49

You could have made up an

26:51

injury for any number of players,

26:53

like they're doing right now for

26:55

Braden Schneider. You could have made

26:57

up an injury, you could have

26:59

made up an injury, you could

27:01

have taken anybody out of this

27:03

lineup? Shit. We know Chris Crider

27:05

is apparently a future paraplegic with

27:07

how he's playing. You could eat

27:09

every day. Scratch him? For what

27:11

purpose? Like, what if I don't

27:13

know, who benefits? Like, who wins?

27:15

I get it. We shouldn't get

27:17

upset when a hockey player has

27:19

to sit one game, Ryan. We've

27:21

said this so many times. But

27:23

what is the point? What's the

27:25

purpose? So he did fucking learn?

27:28

What is he going to learn

27:30

from watching Vincent Trochek's limp dick

27:32

skate around the ice for 20

27:34

minutes? Especially on Saturday's game when

27:36

they were down four nothing in

27:38

the first like period and a

27:40

half. It was like, you know,

27:42

I tweeted the Seinfeld, oh, that's

27:44

a shame, like them from the

27:46

box. Like, I'm kind of happy,

27:48

I'm not down there, but if

27:50

you want to see what you

27:52

have, like I know there's plenty

27:54

of tape on both those players,

27:56

Othman and Gay Perot, out there,

27:58

and you can kind of say,

28:00

like, but you want to see

28:02

who they can jive with? Like,

28:04

you're going into the summer of

28:07

huge decisions, I would say, and

28:09

you need to know if those

28:11

players, obviously they're both, He could

28:13

sit. It's fine. I like reprimand

28:15

lot. He scored two goals against

28:17

the Islanders. A teen that was

28:19

playing two goalies that probably will

28:21

never be playing the league ever

28:23

again. I mean, my favorite line

28:25

from the entire weekend is LaVielette

28:27

in all his glory gets behind

28:29

a microphone when the Rangers have

28:31

to win to survive. And they're

28:33

like, hey, you saw Parsons in

28:35

the lineup. You haven't been playing

28:37

him. Why is that? I just

28:39

have to get Johnny Brozinsky top

28:41

six minutes on a wing. And

28:43

I need a center. And I'm

28:45

just, I got, you're sitting there.

28:48

He clearly doesn't hear the words

28:50

he's saying, right? And I need

28:52

a center. Are we fucking kidding

28:54

me? But it's not even, buddy,

28:56

it's not even the I need

28:58

a center part. It's the, okay,

29:00

your season has gone so shitty

29:02

Brozinsky. Like, the words came out

29:04

of his mouth and he didn't

29:06

hear him. If your season is

29:08

at the point where you're relying

29:10

on Johnny Brozinsky to save you,

29:12

buddy, there's nothing to save. It's

29:14

over. The Titanic is already at

29:16

the bottom of the ocean. And

29:18

that's not even a commentary on

29:20

Brozinsky who's been one of, and

29:22

I can't believe what I'm saying,

29:24

is the better players on the

29:27

Rangers. Without question. Without question. But

29:29

it's... If you're banking on Johnny

29:31

Brzinsky to save your ass, your

29:33

ass is so fired. Finally, we're

29:35

running a meritocracy. It took us

29:37

all year, but here we are.

29:39

Gabe didn't produce a Johnny did.

29:41

So, but this is why like

29:43

I. I understand that firing lobby

29:45

with 10 games left is a

29:47

stupid idea, but also you need

29:49

to play your future. product like

29:51

you need to play them you're

29:53

like one game is fine i

29:55

get it like whatever scratching offman

29:57

and gay pro and starting their

29:59

their careers off with the rangers

30:01

of being like we actually don't

30:03

care about you sucks you can

30:05

even make the argument all right

30:08

you don't want to play them

30:10

against the lightning a very good

30:12

team and the hurricane's very good

30:14

team I think both of us

30:16

would be like well at least

30:18

you can't learn bad habits as

30:20

the rangers get dog walk by

30:22

these two teams what logic are

30:24

you mentioning for the fucking fliers

30:26

By the way, how fucking terrible

30:28

must you be to be an

30:30

Islander fan? Like you, this is

30:32

every Ranger fan, you talk to

30:34

any of them, we all say,

30:36

almost unequivocally, except you, a fair

30:38

weather fan, I'm told by the

30:40

Twitter. I'm told by the Twitter.

30:42

Please, with that guy. This has

30:44

been a year from hell. We

30:46

all hate this team, we all

30:49

hate these players, we all hate

30:51

these coaches, some of us now

30:53

hate the GM, we even, others

30:55

of us hate the owner, hate

30:57

the owner. We want everything about

30:59

this team to burn to burn

31:01

to burn to the ground to

31:03

the ground. and you're watching this

31:05

happen and you realize you finished

31:07

the season oh and fucking four

31:09

against that team oh you let

31:11

a nine spot a nine spot

31:13

against Brett Burrard and his merry

31:15

men That is what you have

31:17

to hang your hat on? Like,

31:19

and then not only that, you

31:21

switched goalies and then went back

31:23

to the original goalie. I've never

31:25

seen that before. Amazing. But that

31:28

also brings my point. If you're

31:30

looking at gay pro and you're

31:32

like, buddy, I don't even think

31:34

you can play against the fucking

31:36

shitty islanders right now. What message

31:38

is that sending to game? You

31:40

could be at Boston College, wrapped

31:42

up in so much college tale

31:44

that you wouldn't know up from

31:46

fucking down. You could be the

31:48

pride of Boston. your team fucking

31:50

choked once again when it came

31:52

to the frozen for it. So

31:54

maybe you weren't hot shit anymore

31:56

in Boston which is why you

31:58

came to New York. But still,

32:00

Ryan, imagine, well, you transferred

32:02

in late to marriage, so this

32:05

might not apply here. For

32:07

the junior, yeah. But I

32:09

can't imagine passing up junior

32:11

year of college was an awakening

32:13

for me, and all my friends.

32:16

It's the year we turned 21.

32:18

We did the most depraved shit

32:20

I've ever seen. We were

32:22

growing as people, not really

32:24

maturing as people. Junior of

32:27

college there is nothing on God's

32:29

Green Earth except a Mets World

32:31

Series title that I would trade it

32:33

in for. I can't imagine being gay

32:35

pro and being like, yeah, this is

32:38

better. This is more fun. I'm having a

32:40

better time. Well, he's looking at Ryan Leonard,

32:42

who by the way... Had quite a week

32:44

scored his first NHL goal got to help

32:47

OB break the goal record You know, they're

32:49

out at the bar singing every single night,

32:51

but he's playing top six middle six minutes

32:53

He's even looking at Will Smith in San

32:56

Jose where they have not won a lot

32:58

of say where they have not won a

33:00

lot of games where they have not won

33:02

a lot of games But God damn are

33:05

they having a good time. Oh they are

33:07

enjoying themselves at San Jose. He

33:09

is literally Squidward looking out looking

33:11

out the window looking out they

33:14

feel it That is a team

33:16

living off vibes and hope and

33:18

they're fucking loving it. They're like,

33:20

we're taking our lumps, we're having

33:22

a good time, we're having a

33:25

good time with each other, we're

33:27

growing his people, this is essentially

33:29

college on ice. Gabe shows up

33:31

here, Chris Crider probably sat him

33:34

down and in Russian said, a

33:36

broomstick is about to be inserted

33:38

up your asshole so far.

33:40

Not of the summers. You

33:42

will taste mahogany for seven

33:44

weeks. That's what's going to

33:47

happen to you. If you're

33:49

gay pro, you're here. No!

33:51

Man, the athletics is going

33:53

to send us yet another note.

33:55

Oh, WFA. It's like, well, oh God.

33:57

Oh, congrats to Kenny, by the way.

34:00

Yeah, by the way we've had that

34:02

called since Jump Street. I know, we

34:04

had the whole time. The cougher play

34:06

is Kenny, it's been Kenny for years.

34:08

It's been Kenny since 1997. Yes. Anyway,

34:10

if I was gay, I'd simply go

34:12

back to college. I feel for the

34:15

man. I feel for the man. I

34:17

feel for Othman too. I feel for

34:19

these players who just are looking to

34:21

make a dent in their NHL career

34:23

and prove themselves. Where is he? Well,

34:25

he's out for the year, man. He's

34:27

just hanging. He's done. I just thought

34:30

he would come back. Anyway, the offman

34:32

stuff, God is it tragic. Like, everything

34:34

about him. He shouldn't have had to

34:36

go back to junior hockey the year

34:38

that he did. That sent him back

34:40

a year. He comes over here, immediately

34:43

gets injured, doesn't play as much for

34:45

Hartford as we expected. And then the

34:47

one year where this was the year,

34:49

the Rangers, the Rangers went out, acquired

34:51

Riley Riley Smith, a player, who was

34:53

simply. incubating a position on the roster

34:55

that Brennan Offman was supposed to be

34:58

able to play. And instead what happens

35:00

is the New York Rangers decided they

35:02

no longer wanted to participate in the

35:04

team sport of hockey. And the range

35:06

is like, Othman, now's your time. And

35:08

he's like, are you fucking kidding me?

35:10

Is it now? Are you, I have

35:13

to be playing with the wettest of

35:15

noodles of Mika Zabenajad ever? Get this

35:17

man of Prozac. Like, give me some

35:19

kind of help, anything. Top 6, Johnny

35:21

Brzinsky. So I hope you had fun.

35:23

And it's nice that the young players

35:26

all love and respect Johnny Brzinsky. I

35:28

wonder if that opinion of Johnny Brzinsky

35:30

is going to change when he's taking

35:32

all their minutes. We have plenty of

35:34

time this summer. Obviously, there'll be exit

35:36

interviews next week. So the next time

35:38

you hear from us, the season will

35:41

be over. Thank you. There we have,

35:43

for real. This will be the longest

35:45

we're going without Ranger hockey since the...

35:47

pandemic on this podcast. We're doing a

35:49

promise right now. You're agreeing to this

35:51

promise before you even know what it

35:54

is. Sure. Friday for BSPOT when the

35:56

season ends. Bad hangs. This Friday? We're

35:58

doing this Friday bad hangs because this

36:00

is the last time we will ever

36:02

be able to talk about this roster

36:04

in its entirety. Okay. Because next main

36:06

show we'll do exit interview quotes. Right.

36:09

So we won't have time to do

36:11

good hangs. And the goal of bad

36:13

hangs, these are players you still have

36:15

to want to hang out with. This

36:17

team sucks. I know I'm telling you

36:19

right now, if we flip the coin

36:21

and I get first pick, Calvin Dahan's

36:24

my first pick. Because he's actually a

36:26

good hang. So he's a good hang

36:28

is the okay. Here's my question We're

36:30

doing the worst people hang out with

36:32

it. We're doing good hangs in order

36:34

of people we want to hang out

36:37

with in order of people we want

36:39

to hang out with because I think

36:41

that will highlight the point about how

36:43

little we want to hang out with

36:45

any of these people This is going

36:47

to stink. Okay. It's going to be

36:49

terrible. But I'm telling you get some

36:52

all right I think we covered pretty

36:54

much everything and by the way if

36:56

we didn't we have all summer ha

36:58

ha ha we'll be here every week

37:00

all right let's go to what is

37:02

probably the highlight of your our careers

37:05

doing this right? I would say it's

37:07

crazy we've talked I don't want to

37:09

it this doesn't is it isn't meant

37:11

to throw shade on it like the

37:13

fact that we've had multiple interviews with

37:15

Steve Galps is fucking nuts we've talked

37:17

with Jeff Bukaboom our guy we've talked

37:20

with Haw Crawford I mean, name anybody

37:22

who we've talked to from the athletic

37:24

that you and I respect. We've talked

37:26

to Brooksie multiple times. He knows, Larry

37:28

Brooks knows who we are. Vince sometimes

37:30

answers my text, so that's cool. Molly's

37:32

come hang out. It has a good

37:35

time. Hey, Emily Kaplan? Because let's name.

37:37

Let's name. Good things. I mean, Shane

37:39

is a legitimate friend of ours. We've

37:41

tolerated Fitz all these years. I know.

37:43

Everything is great. But there, no question,

37:45

like Steve Summers is an idol. He's

37:48

an icon. It's crazy for me to,

37:50

I cannot tell you how many times

37:52

I'm driving home from like the most

37:54

ridiculous things and I'm like, well, I

37:56

just, me and Steve Summers is an

37:58

hour and a half. And

38:00

he's just doing a 20 minute monologue and by

38:03

the way he does it on the show I

38:05

do I think we asked a total of four

38:07

questions and I gotta tell you I'm upset we

38:09

asked that many we should have just

38:11

let him go I know it's like Steve

38:14

and do your podcast for us Appreciate it.

38:16

So let's throw to our sponsors and then

38:18

let's get to Steve summer is a one

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We have Steve Summers. He

41:16

has a new podcast me

41:18

here and you there Steve.

41:21

How are you? Well, we're

41:23

doing okay. Thank goodness. And

41:25

thank you guys for having

41:27

me on your podcast today.

41:30

It's a pleasure. It's been,

41:32

it's really strange for Greg

41:34

and I because we listened

41:36

to you, Driver Ground, and

41:38

our cars when we were

41:41

18 years old and now

41:43

we're 35 year old men.

41:45

And it's just, here we

41:47

are, many years later. You've

41:49

watched a lot of Ranger

41:52

teams over the years, Steve.

41:54

Where does this one rank

41:56

for you? maybe the 1920s

41:58

it's certainly the 70s it's

42:01

you know it's hard to

42:03

believe absolutely incomprehensible that not

42:05

once correct me if I'm

42:07

wrong with what I'm about

42:09

to say I don't think

42:12

once they overcame a two-gold

42:14

deficit in any game there

42:16

was a team president and

42:18

obviously they took that for

42:20

granted. And 28 comebacks last

42:23

year, and how many comebacks

42:25

did they have this year?

42:27

Again, not once with a

42:29

two-gold deficit, were they able

42:32

to come back? I mean,

42:34

without question, without screaming, without

42:36

yelling, without convection, he has

42:38

to go. He is not

42:40

the entire problem. There were

42:43

so many problems in so

42:45

many areas, but he had

42:47

no solutions for any of

42:49

the issues, any of the

42:51

problems. And I guess that

42:54

you could say... that the

42:56

Ranger demise for this season

42:58

just so embarrassing really began

43:00

in November and it certainly

43:02

wasn't good for the clubhouse

43:05

wasn't good for the bench

43:07

wasn't good for the four

43:09

crooked lines wasn't good for

43:11

anybody out there on the

43:14

ice when you let it

43:16

be known that Crider and

43:18

Truba were on the block

43:20

and you let all the

43:22

other teams know that it

43:25

affected their play again it

43:27

affected the clubhouse the bench

43:29

everybody and a lot of

43:31

the olet I just happened

43:33

to read something the other

43:36

day on the Atlantic that

43:38

when the Rangers were trailing

43:40

after say for example one

43:42

period or even two periods

43:45

he wouldn't say anything He

43:47

went minutes, he went periods

43:49

without saying anything to the

43:51

ranger sitting in front of

43:53

him or coming back onto

43:56

the bench from the ice.

43:58

And just absolutely incredible. The

44:00

only thing LaVielette was good

44:02

at was beating the Icelanders.

44:04

Well, my night's been made. That

44:07

much is for sure. Steve, I

44:09

grew up. Ryan mentioned we listened

44:11

to you a lot when we were 18. We

44:13

got our license driving around the

44:15

car. But you're a key memory

44:17

for me. I went to a

44:19

lot of Met Games growing up. So

44:22

Ed Coleman would toss to you and

44:24

I'd get a schmooze monologue to take

44:26

me home the rest of the way.

44:29

Oh, okay, yeah. It was the

44:31

happiest time of my life.

44:33

It was, it was so

44:35

much fun. And, you know,

44:38

and every day I wondered

44:40

if I would be able

44:42

to come back the next

44:45

day if I screwed up

44:47

or I didn't have the

44:49

energy or I didn't get

44:51

enough sleep or I didn't

44:54

eat. Before going on, whatever

44:56

the situation was, and Mark

44:58

Chernoff, who at the time

45:01

was the program director and

45:03

vice president for CVS Radio

45:05

Sports, and he was getting

45:08

on my case a lot,

45:10

mainly because I would have

45:12

a cigarette, you know, in

45:14

my office, and he didn't

45:16

like that. And there was

45:18

one night where I got,

45:20

I was going downstairs, we

45:22

were on the 10th floor.

45:24

at three forty five months

45:26

in lower Manhattan and I

45:28

was at eight o'clock in

45:30

the evening during an update

45:32

and then those updates then

45:34

took about five minutes now

45:36

updates are like 90 seconds

45:38

they really cut back on

45:40

updates. But I went outside,

45:43

I went to the elevator,

45:45

went down, or wanted to

45:48

go down to the ground

45:50

floor outside the building and

45:52

have that cigarette, but the

45:55

elevator got stuck between the

45:57

10th and the 9th floor.

45:59

and I was in that

46:02

elevator for almost two hours.

46:04

The building, yeah, the building,

46:06

the building wasn't gonna call

46:09

the fire department because if

46:11

the fire department needed to

46:13

axe their way to get

46:16

me out of the elevator,

46:18

the building would have been

46:20

liable for any damage that

46:23

the fire department would have

46:25

done. So the bottom line

46:27

is. They never called the

46:30

fire department. I was in

46:32

the elevator for two hours.

46:34

The radio station after the

46:37

update at 8 o'clock didn't

46:39

know where I was. They

46:41

didn't have my phone with

46:44

me. And the bottom line

46:46

was that they played about

46:48

20 minutes of commercials and

46:51

then called Richard Neer to

46:53

come in to complete the

46:55

show. And sure, when I

46:58

did get back to the

47:00

station, when they did get

47:02

me out of the elevator,

47:05

sure, not said, it's your

47:07

fault, you know, for going

47:09

outside to have a cigarette.

47:12

And I said, well, you

47:14

didn't want me to be

47:16

in the building doing it

47:19

again. So that's one of

47:21

these strange things. But it

47:23

was the happiest time. of

47:26

my life and the 10

47:28

years that I was midnight

47:30

to six and then I

47:33

was in the morning or

47:35

that were just the happiest

47:37

times because people like you

47:40

two guys were out there

47:42

and listening and maybe calling

47:44

and my feeling was always

47:47

from what my father told

47:49

me when I was a

47:51

kid. and he said do

47:54

a little bit more with

47:56

honey than vinegar everybody else

47:58

was screaming and yelling and

48:01

you know getting you sometimes

48:03

insulting. That wasn't my style.

48:05

So I'm my style off

48:08

the air and not my

48:10

style on the air. So

48:12

I've made a lot of

48:15

friends from that program, two

48:17

Ranger Blue Seeders, Frank Petrasino,

48:19

and an Anthony Sin Q.

48:22

back in 1988, and that's

48:24

not 1880, although it seems

48:26

that long ago. But in

48:28

88 and they invited me

48:31

to sit with them in

48:33

the blue seeds at Madison

48:36

Square Garden. And it was

48:38

a great experience. I went

48:41

to the weddings. They are

48:43

still friends to this day.

48:46

And two people I will

48:48

never forget because as callers,

48:51

as people, Frank Petresino, a

48:53

corrections officer, Anthony Sinke was

48:56

stockbroker. And the bottom one

48:58

is they invited me into

49:01

their heart because A, they

49:03

felt comfortable calling in and

49:05

B, like you two guys,

49:08

die hard, knowledgeable, passionate Ranger

49:10

fans. I'll never forget them.

49:13

My lead in Steve before

49:15

we went down memory lane

49:17

in the best possible way.

49:20

My favorite thing about your

49:22

monologues is, listen, I... came

49:24

of age during a time where Mets

49:26

baseball, let's just say, wasn't very good.

49:29

You would come on a lot after,

49:31

say, a Pedro Estacio, start with belly

49:33

up, and you'd have a very entertaining

49:35

way of describing that. So

49:37

my question for you is

49:39

about expectations. Obviously, you mentioned,

49:41

we've mentioned, everybody who lists

49:43

the show is mentioned. These

49:45

are the defending president trophy

49:47

winners. They brought back mostly the

49:49

same team. They brought back the same

49:52

coach. From an expectation standpoint, Steve,

49:54

you have seen everything when it

49:56

comes to New York sports. Is

49:58

this one of the most... disappointing

50:00

seasons from an expectation

50:02

standpoint that you've witnessed?

50:04

Without question, because, and

50:07

you hit the nail

50:09

right on its head,

50:11

the expectations were so

50:13

much greater than this,

50:15

an effort and passion

50:17

and urgency and determination

50:20

and real, all added

50:22

up to disappointment. all

50:24

added up to disaster,

50:26

all added up to

50:28

just awful, awful, disjointed,

50:30

malfunction, dysfunction at the

50:33

junction of the Blue

50:35

Line. They were, they

50:37

were a team where

50:39

I began to feel

50:41

that they had a

50:43

better chance scoring a

50:46

goal short-handed than they

50:48

did with a man

50:50

advantage. It just was

50:52

so... uninspiring. I mean

50:54

I can't think of

50:56

enough adjectives and the

50:59

words that I would

51:01

use watching at home

51:03

but I wasn't I

51:05

think I didn't go

51:07

to as many games

51:09

because I wanted to

51:12

see as much as

51:14

I could with everything

51:16

else going on but

51:18

when I was there

51:20

or at home watching

51:22

the words scopen were

51:25

just exasperation plus. It

51:27

was awful to watch.

51:29

It was non- hockey

51:31

and as you pointed

51:33

out, you basically had

51:35

the same team. And

51:38

so underwhelming, invisible they

51:40

were. And skating disjointedly

51:42

and corsized passes so

51:44

easily intercepted. uh... not

51:46

getting in front of

51:48

the not listen they

51:51

couldn't get out of

51:53

the wrong zone they

51:55

couldn't get out of

51:57

the neutral zone you

51:59

know it just well

52:01

you guys know it

52:04

just was unwatchable and

52:06

just one one game

52:08

after another after another

52:11

of a disaster it

52:13

just was and then

52:15

even at the end

52:18

here had they you

52:20

know if they had

52:23

won their last three

52:25

four games and if

52:27

Montreal had could not respond

52:30

in any way. Very, very disappointed.

52:32

And the other day, I was

52:34

talking to Sam Rose and then

52:37

he used to come on when

52:39

I was working midnight to six

52:41

and he would come on after

52:43

a game full of energy. He

52:46

would take calls and of course

52:48

Sam, as you know, retiring. But

52:50

I was talking with him the

52:53

other day, wishing him well in

52:55

his retirement and he said it

52:57

was just such a lack of

52:59

fun and good times, broadcasting

53:02

this uninspiring team, that apparently

53:04

took the president's trophy for

53:07

granted. I guess all they

53:09

thought coming into this season,

53:12

especially with November, to me,

53:14

early November was the beginning

53:17

of the end for this

53:19

season, and I didn't think

53:22

they were going to make

53:24

the playoffs of then. let

53:27

alone the last three, four

53:29

games of the regular season.

53:31

So had they made the

53:34

playoffs, you guys know, as

53:36

well as everybody else, they

53:38

wouldn't have gone very far.

53:40

They would have been a

53:42

first round eliminated team. And

53:44

the goal tending wasn't there.

53:46

I mean, just from top

53:48

to bottom, it just was

53:51

a total disaster. I do want to talk

53:53

about the future of the Rangers and what they

53:55

can do to change this, but I think the

53:57

one point for all Ranger fans that hurts the

53:59

most, obviously... winning the president's trophy and

54:02

then not making the playoffs sucks

54:04

but I mean doing this

54:06

to Sam Rosen a man

54:08

you just mentioned on his last

54:10

year when this should be

54:12

his final time to call

54:14

a playoff series I think has

54:17

been the most disheartening for all

54:19

fans I mean even here

54:21

you say that of Sam

54:23

coming out like you can tell

54:26

he's not he's not really

54:28

holding back on this team

54:30

and he's been a man that

54:32

loved the Ranger squad for so

54:34

many years has always been

54:36

a positive light for fans

54:38

listening to the game and you

54:41

could even hear him being

54:43

like well this is this

54:45

is disheartening throughout the broadcast that

54:47

just never happens oh sure oh

54:50

yeah absolutely whether you were

54:52

listening you know if I

54:54

was in the car and then

54:56

they and coming back from

54:58

visiting my wife's family in

55:00

New Jersey if we were coming

55:03

back in the car and

55:05

listening on the radio yeah

55:07

you could tell not only on

55:09

the TV uh... with sam and

55:11

uh... and uh... and and

55:13

on the radio as well

55:15

and and kennie albert uh... uh...

55:18

they would just he having

55:20

to hear me it was

55:22

awful having to be on the

55:24

radio talking about such bad hockey

55:27

and he actually got a

55:29

more than one memo uh...

55:31

from uh... dolan about uh... trying

55:33

to be more uplifting if

55:35

you can believe that how

55:37

can you be uplifting when the

55:39

team isn't uplifting and that's why

55:42

dolan fired his father when

55:44

he was doing nickabacker games

55:46

because uh... marve with humor with

55:48

knowledge and growing up as

55:50

a Nicobar fan was a

55:52

Nicobar ball boy to Marty Glickman,

55:55

the Olympian who was in the

55:57

1936 Hitler Olympics and couldn't

55:59

run because he was Jewish,

56:01

but bottom line is, Marv was

56:04

always telling the truth and

56:06

again... with humor and got

56:08

fired by Dolan. Now here's Kenny,

56:10

an exceptional broadcaster no matter what

56:12

sport. Whether it's football, whether

56:14

it's basketball, and certainly hockey,

56:16

he doesn't miss a trick. He's

56:19

got his father's jeans. And

56:21

he gets memos from Dolan

56:23

about being uplifting. How could he

56:25

be uplifting broadcasting for a team

56:28

that isn't giving you anything

56:30

to be uplifting about? Good

56:32

old Nerrager's PR, my friend.

56:34

Yeah, we have war stories with them

56:36

too, that we can, we're happy to

56:39

tell you about them anytime you

56:41

want. I just want to, I

56:43

want to stick on Sam Rose

56:45

a little bit because. Yeah. He's a

56:47

tenor through this season that has made

56:49

it extra disappointing. Now, Ryan and

56:52

I mentioned like Sam Rosen obviously

56:54

has been the bare tone for

56:56

our entire life when it comes

56:58

to professional hockey. So it creates

57:00

this anger. The only thing I have

57:02

to compare it to as a sports fan

57:05

was when Bob Murphy stepped away in

57:07

2003. It felt like Met fans were

57:09

relieved for him that he didn't have

57:11

to watch. that shit anymore like we

57:14

were all like oh Bob's getting out

57:16

here in one piece thank God we're

57:18

so jealous but Sam there is something

57:20

about this team seemingly quitting on Sam

57:23

that has changed fans opinions

57:25

of players moving forward like

57:27

there Chris Crider most notably

57:29

if we were having a

57:31

conversation last year schmuz about

57:33

Crider following his hat trick in

57:35

game six against the Carolina Hurricanes

57:38

we were talking about a club

57:40

legend You talk to fans about

57:42

Chris Crider today, and I think

57:45

a lot of people are ready to

57:47

commit mutiny. Yeah, sure. Oh, you know,

57:49

he, you know, well, you know, in

57:51

front of the net, you don't see

57:53

him anymore. You know, once in a

57:56

while, maybe by accident, he'd get himself

57:58

in front of the net. Oh

58:00

no, a year ago he

58:02

was great. One thing

58:04

about Sam, and I even

58:06

mocked a little bit

58:08

with Sam when I first

58:10

started with WFAN, and

58:13

that was really, the two

58:15

guys I alluded to

58:17

before who invited me, which

58:19

was just so surreal

58:21

to me. To

58:24

sit with them in

58:26

the blue seats, Frank Pezzasino

58:28

and Anthony Sinkini, they

58:31

thought Sam was too much

58:33

of a homer. And

58:35

well, and I used to

58:37

say with them, yeah,

58:40

sure, because he grew up

58:42

as a Ranger fan,

58:44

and he's four of them,

58:46

and yeah, he wasn't

58:48

maybe as honest as, you

58:51

know, because listen, you

58:53

could be honest with any

58:55

New York fan, a

58:57

die -hard New York fan

58:59

like you two guys, you

59:02

know when it's not

59:04

good hockey. And Sam, in

59:06

the beginning, if the

59:08

Rangers didn't play very well

59:11

or had themselves a

59:13

bad season, he would cover

59:15

for them or apologize

59:17

for them when he really

59:19

didn't have to do

59:22

that. But, you know, it's

59:24

sort of like John

59:26

Sterling, you know, who really

59:28

didn't do much of

59:30

his homework, other than, you

59:33

know, coming up with,

59:35

you know, his home run

59:37

calls for the Yankees

59:39

and became in a way,

59:42

you know, if you

59:44

didn't think he was a

59:46

good broadcaster, you were

59:48

at least saying as a

59:50

Yankee fan, well, he's

59:53

one of us. He's our

59:55

broadcaster with all the

59:57

warts. And maybe even the

59:59

same thing with Sam.

1:00:01

But Sam, such a decent

1:00:04

human being, I got

1:00:06

to know him a little

1:00:08

bit, and his family

1:00:10

a little bit, and broke

1:00:13

bread with him on

1:00:15

occasion. And... a really decent-hearted man who really,

1:00:17

you know, is a young child, a Ranger fan

1:00:19

from coming right out of the room. But could

1:00:21

he be a Homer? Sure. And maybe the greatest

1:00:24

most lovable Homer was probably before your time was

1:00:26

Phil Rizzuto the former Yankee shortstop who was the

1:00:28

Yankee broadcaster but he was so lovable he

1:00:30

was like everybody's grandfather and

1:00:32

he would leave games to

1:00:34

beat the traffic going home

1:00:36

he would leave in the

1:00:38

southern array pinning even if

1:00:41

the Yankees were winning he

1:00:43

would leave the broadcast and

1:00:45

get home to Cora. and

1:00:47

he would always talk about

1:00:49

that I've got to get

1:00:51

myself home to Cora I've

1:00:53

rather that was his wife

1:00:55

and he's got to beat

1:00:57

the traffic and so forth

1:00:59

and so on and was he

1:01:02

a Homer from the word go

1:01:04

but he was our Homer the

1:01:06

Yankee fans Homer and they loved

1:01:08

him and I think that's how

1:01:10

we'll try to remember and will

1:01:13

remember uh... sam Rosen but i

1:01:15

mean no broadcasters absolutely and i

1:01:17

know from making all the mistakes

1:01:19

that i made and all the

1:01:22

times that i was wondering if

1:01:24

i was going to come back

1:01:26

the next day to correct any

1:01:28

of the uh... misspoken things that

1:01:31

i had said uh... so and

1:01:33

i used to make but make

1:01:35

fun of john sterling can i

1:01:37

tell you one quick story about

1:01:40

him please we'd love it Well,

1:01:42

you guys are being very

1:01:44

kind for I probably talk

1:01:46

to your ears off. I

1:01:48

hope I'm not hurting your

1:01:50

broadcast But the bottom but

1:01:52

the bottom line the one

1:01:54

I used to play Sterling's

1:01:56

screw-ups and One of the

1:01:58

most famous ones The Yankees

1:02:00

were in Detroit and in Wright

1:02:03

Field for the Yankees was a

1:02:05

bray you. And Matt Joyce of

1:02:07

the Tigers, you're at a high

1:02:10

fly ball and left the ballpark,

1:02:12

but struggling in making the call

1:02:14

and said, here's a pitch to

1:02:17

Joyce. A high fly to Wright

1:02:19

Field is high is high is

1:02:22

far. it was it has been

1:02:24

another pause caught by a braided

1:02:26

right side retired the braille left

1:02:29

the ballpark the braille was a

1:02:31

home run it didn't even hit

1:02:33

into the stands as it left

1:02:36

the ballpark I'll never forget it

1:02:38

so we played it and I

1:02:40

always used to say John nobody

1:02:43

makes more mistakes than I do

1:02:45

You could call me and get

1:02:48

on my case any time you

1:02:50

walk, but he never did that.

1:02:52

That's an amazing story. Bad choice

1:02:55

also, just like what a name

1:02:57

throw back there, Tampa Bay legend,

1:02:59

I think. Steve, I do want

1:03:02

to ask you one thing about

1:03:04

the future of the Rangers, which

1:03:06

is, hey, could this team actually

1:03:09

turn it around? Because Chris Drury,

1:03:11

he really wasn't playing with his

1:03:14

own... players for the last three

1:03:16

years. They were all Gorton and

1:03:18

JD's players that were drafted and

1:03:21

developed by that team. And he

1:03:23

started to make his mark for

1:03:25

the first time this year, obviously

1:03:28

getting rid of Goodro to San

1:03:30

Jose, trading Jacob Trooper to Anaheim

1:03:33

and getting off those contracts scot-free.

1:03:35

And yet everything else seemed to

1:03:37

fall apart. Can this team who

1:03:40

has Adam Fox, who has e-gorch

1:03:42

a-k and who still has our

1:03:44

10-by-pene and a litany of talents

1:03:47

of Jacey and Vincent Trochek, turn

1:03:49

it, turn it around next year

1:03:51

with... to possibly not even having

1:03:54

a draft pick this year, what

1:03:56

is your vision of the future

1:03:59

for the Rangers? Well, it was

1:04:01

really going to be around. You

1:04:03

know, maybe when they see... going

1:04:06

to be making the choices. Trojan,

1:04:08

one day he did all the

1:04:10

time was win a face-off. I

1:04:13

think in one game, maybe a

1:04:15

couple weeks ago, maybe not that

1:04:17

far away ago, but I think

1:04:20

he had like 17 face-offs wins.

1:04:22

Miller, you know, Miller was

1:04:24

good. But the bottom line...

1:04:27

is Jerome going to be

1:04:29

around and also the tough

1:04:31

guy, the enforcer, why would

1:04:34

you get him and then

1:04:36

play him only two minutes

1:04:38

on the ice or three

1:04:40

minutes by his time? I

1:04:43

mean love your let and

1:04:45

I wonder, but I wonder

1:04:48

really seriously if if

1:04:50

he's going to come

1:04:52

back and make any

1:04:54

of these kinds of

1:04:56

decisions. that you're alluding to

1:04:58

and what the Rangers may need

1:05:00

to do. But I mean, if

1:05:02

you're going to have most of

1:05:05

these players and the young guys,

1:05:07

they didn't progress. It just was

1:05:09

again a disaster all the way

1:05:11

around. But I wonder, let me

1:05:14

ask you guys. You think Grori

1:05:16

should be back? Unfortunately, or fortunately

1:05:18

however you view this, I think

1:05:20

Drury is Dolan's guy, similar to

1:05:23

Leon Rose. And they go through,

1:05:25

they go through, he trusts him

1:05:27

individually, so he's going to get him

1:05:29

a shot to at least turn this

1:05:31

thing around, and I think they blame

1:05:33

the players more than anybody else. And

1:05:35

to be honest with you Steve, I

1:05:37

think Greg and I'll let him respond.

1:05:39

Blame the players more than anybody else

1:05:42

as well. Oh, yeah, you do.

1:05:44

But again, Bobby, let had no

1:05:46

solutions. you know to the issues

1:05:48

and whatever he did say on

1:05:51

the bench which wasn't often whatever

1:05:53

he did say in the locker

1:05:55

room or anywhere else

1:05:57

they weren't listening so

1:06:00

Not once did he come

1:06:02

out and say, you know

1:06:04

what, this is my fault,

1:06:06

I have to fix it.

1:06:08

Not once. Yeah, I didn't

1:06:10

like him. You know, he

1:06:13

came from the Icelanders and

1:06:15

he'd been around a lot

1:06:17

and maybe he was just

1:06:19

too tired. But if he

1:06:21

did say anything, nobody was

1:06:23

listening to him. Steve, I

1:06:26

have the most important question

1:06:28

any of us are going

1:06:30

to ask you today. And

1:06:32

I'm honored to be the

1:06:34

one to ask this question.

1:06:36

Artemipanarin, a famed New York

1:06:39

Ranger, we're entering the third

1:06:41

night of Passover here, does

1:06:43

it ever bother you that

1:06:45

the breadman doesn't take the

1:06:47

week off during this holiday?

1:06:50

Oh God. Well, he's not

1:06:52

saying these comebacks, you know,

1:06:54

callites, we're in touch on

1:06:56

the high holy days and

1:06:58

so forth and so on.

1:07:00

Well, I guess, you know,

1:07:03

maybe he feels that God

1:07:05

could understand, but that's a

1:07:07

great, great question. Steve why

1:07:09

don't you go ahead and

1:07:11

tell us about your your

1:07:13

podcast and what it's like

1:07:16

what it's doing what what

1:07:18

you're I know you're on

1:07:20

episode three now just came

1:07:22

out and where people could

1:07:24

find it well and also

1:07:27

I have a book that'll

1:07:29

be coming out I mentioned

1:07:31

about the podcast we just

1:07:33

started it and I understand

1:07:35

we can't play any music

1:07:37

in the beginning we can't

1:07:40

We want to take calls

1:07:42

last night. We recorded our

1:07:44

third podcast. I'll get to

1:07:46

the book in a minute.

1:07:48

But our podcast has only

1:07:50

been done three times. And

1:07:53

we can't have any calls.

1:07:55

We can't play any music.

1:07:57

So it does hamper me

1:07:59

a little bit. And I,

1:08:01

you know, this is Paul

1:08:03

Rosenberg. who I'm working with

1:08:06

and I love the guy,

1:08:08

I mean he was my

1:08:10

producer, the last couple of

1:08:12

years at WFAN working for

1:08:14

time. The pain has had

1:08:17

me back a couple of

1:08:19

times to work a weekend,

1:08:21

but at a more normal

1:08:23

evening time, like 630 to

1:08:25

830, that kind of a

1:08:27

thing. So, you know, I

1:08:30

tell people, how do you

1:08:32

retire from talking? You just

1:08:34

die, I guess. And so,

1:08:36

fortunately, my health is good.

1:08:38

cigarettes notwithstanding but but the

1:08:40

bottom line is that uh...

1:08:43

you know it's only three

1:08:45

times and so we just

1:08:47

last night in recording that

1:08:49

third one i gave an

1:08:51

email address so if that

1:08:53

people want to respond that

1:08:56

way that's the only way

1:08:58

they can respond right now

1:09:00

i would i wish we

1:09:02

could play music with the

1:09:04

production pieces that we like

1:09:07

to do. I wish we

1:09:09

could take calls, but radio,

1:09:11

as you guys know, and

1:09:13

podcasting is a totally different

1:09:15

animal. So right now at

1:09:17

the beginning, it's kind of

1:09:20

raw. And you know, we're

1:09:22

just getting ourselves started with

1:09:24

it. And let me just

1:09:26

say that I do have

1:09:28

a book that will be

1:09:30

coming out and it will

1:09:33

be called Me Here and

1:09:35

You There and You There.

1:09:37

It's available online at Amazon

1:09:39

right now, but the book

1:09:41

won't be available to buy,

1:09:44

get, have until November 18.

1:09:46

So it's a ways away,

1:09:48

but it can be pre-ordered,

1:09:50

and I thank you guys

1:09:52

a lot. for allowing me

1:09:54

to get that getting very

1:09:57

much of a pleasure for

1:09:59

me to be with you

1:10:01

two guys it means a

1:10:03

lot and you too have

1:10:05

made my day so thank

1:10:07

you for having me and

1:10:10

I look forward to next

1:10:12

season when our conversation can

1:10:14

be a little bit more

1:10:16

positive thank you both. Steve

1:10:18

just I can't emphasize this

1:10:20

enough you made the merit

1:10:23

parkway so much more bearable

1:10:25

at one o'clock in the

1:10:27

morning that it is you

1:10:29

have no idea the service you

1:10:31

played as long as i didn't have

1:10:34

you driving off the road a very

1:10:36

good thing thank you so much thank

1:10:38

you Steve we'll talk to you soon

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And we're back, Craig there, you me

1:11:30

here, we are, we are smoothing! Okay,

1:11:32

he's the fucking best. It's crazy.

1:11:35

Nobody's better. It's insane that he

1:11:37

talked to us. I'm starstruck. I

1:11:39

don't think I've really ever been starstruck

1:11:41

doing the podcast. I have no problem.

1:11:43

You and I were texting each other

1:11:45

on the side because we didn't know

1:11:47

what to do with the excitement. I

1:11:49

know. It's crazy. We had Ryan Shrome

1:11:52

and Tony Diangel of this podcast for

1:11:54

like, I know, I know, during the

1:11:56

pandemic and like I wasn't nervous to

1:11:58

talk to them to them. Steve, I

1:12:00

was like, hey Steve, real big fan.

1:12:02

The first interview I can really remember

1:12:05

us doing with someone of import was

1:12:07

Haw Crawford, who was then the voice

1:12:09

of the Hartford, something which, by the

1:12:11

way, I now understand, will never happen

1:12:13

for us again. We'll never go. We've

1:12:16

asked to talk to people who work

1:12:18

for the Wolfback, and they keep telling

1:12:20

us the Rangers decide who can and

1:12:22

can't talk the media, and they will

1:12:24

say no. When we talked to Hawk,

1:12:27

that was the first time. This is

1:12:29

back during Facebook messenger eras. You and

1:12:31

I wrote out 10 questions, divvied up

1:12:33

which 5 you would ask, which 5

1:12:35

I would ask. And like the, it

1:12:38

was the most prepared we ever been

1:12:40

for an interview. I remember he was

1:12:42

talking a lot about Jake Genssel, about

1:12:44

how in his eyes the penguins found

1:12:46

another one, and we were like, ha

1:12:49

ha, that's cool. He's right. Yeah. taking

1:12:51

a podcasting step that we were trying

1:12:53

to become more serious. This, like, at

1:12:55

no point can I believe that Steve

1:12:57

Summers was talking to me, Greg Kaplan,

1:13:00

on my show. It is, it's mind-blowing.

1:13:02

And I know if people, I've never

1:13:04

heard of Steve Summers before, this might

1:13:06

be like, what, what the hell just

1:13:08

happens? But the people, the people our

1:13:10

age and older might give us more

1:13:13

money now. I look, hey, if you

1:13:15

don't sign up for the Patreon, I

1:13:17

don't know what you're doing, I'm doing,

1:13:19

I'm not saying this as an ad.

1:13:21

I really am not. This summer is

1:13:24

going to be insane. Ryan, when I

1:13:26

say there is nothing going to be

1:13:28

more unhinged than whatever the Rangers do

1:13:30

on July 1st, and I have to

1:13:32

call in from fucking Helsingborg Sweden to

1:13:35

break it down. Like, I know I

1:13:37

don't live necessarily the exact lifestyle I

1:13:39

used to live. There's no way I'm

1:13:41

not going to be unhinged for that

1:13:43

podcast. Uh, man, stay tuned for what

1:13:46

is a crazy summer, but until then,

1:13:48

you can leave your questions on patreon.com/blue

1:13:50

church breakaway, download the discord. which

1:13:52

is always crazy.

1:13:54

New NHL insider members

1:13:57

joined yesterday said

1:13:59

they literally joined because

1:14:01

of the Duhan

1:14:03

quotes. Thank you Duhan.

1:14:08

I hope when he, when he, if he comes

1:14:10

on the podcast we should be, hey man, you

1:14:12

got us a couple more dollars. I appreciate that

1:14:14

about him. And I do think things will be

1:14:16

unhinged. And you can leave five star questions on

1:14:18

the show we read them every single week. If

1:14:20

you are like, I only wanted to hear the

1:14:22

intro and the podcast, I will say this, the

1:14:24

podcast really ends at the hour mark. It is

1:14:27

the open and the guests. You know what's beautiful

1:14:29

about podcasts? You could turn them off whenever you

1:14:31

want. Yep. So let me read some questions

1:14:33

now. We have Tilaran with the first question.

1:14:35

This is for you, Greg. In honor of

1:14:37

the great Val Kilmer, you could ask anyone

1:14:39

Ranger to be your Huckleberry. Who would it

1:14:41

be? Duhan,

1:14:44

baby. Right now, yeah. That's my

1:14:46

guy. I know. It's sad that Calvin

1:14:48

Duhan who played three games for

1:14:50

the Rangers is kind of the most

1:14:52

likable person right now. Yeah, but

1:14:54

it perfectly summarizes everything that happened this

1:14:57

season. This is from

1:14:59

Jen Went. Went, what

1:15:01

did Laffy say to get a 10 minute game as

1:15:03

Conducting? Is it Greg's favorite word that starts with a C?

1:15:06

Oh man, remember when that happened? Yeah,

1:15:08

that was ages ago at this point.

1:15:10

They were still fighting for their playoff

1:15:12

lives and Laffriniere continued to be a

1:15:14

no -show. I mean, he definitely called

1:15:16

them that word. There's no question about

1:15:18

it. He probably said something quite mean.

1:15:21

Say that. Or derogatory? Sure. This

1:15:23

is from Sharkbait41. I mean, this

1:15:25

is rearranging the deck chairs and

1:15:27

the Titanic at this point. But

1:15:30

Laffy, the Laffy let, I don't go into

1:15:32

the room after games quote, quote

1:15:34

is Tortorella. I'm not interested in learning to

1:15:36

coach this team level of fire this man

1:15:38

tomorrow, right? Here's the

1:15:40

thing, like, I know that got

1:15:42

a lot of headlines. I don't think

1:15:44

that's uncommon in hockey. We,

1:15:48

I know we had an extensive conversation once

1:15:50

where Gerard Galant said he didn't go

1:15:52

into the room in between periods. I'm

1:15:55

a dumb. It was one

1:15:57

of the most just dumbfounding things I'd ever heard. Because

1:16:00

after the game, like what are you really

1:16:02

gonna say sometimes? Like, ah man, we should,

1:16:04

you guys were terrible tonight or a

1:16:06

great win for the boys? Well, I think,

1:16:09

you know what's funny, you want to understand

1:16:11

this, everybody listening at home

1:16:13

would understand this, I wonder if

1:16:15

Miracle the movie never happens, we

1:16:17

don't think about this shit ever.

1:16:19

I think we think about it, your job

1:16:21

is to make adjustments and coach. I know,

1:16:24

but like, that doesn't happen in

1:16:26

post game scrums, for the most part.

1:16:28

Just think about the dynamic of what

1:16:30

happens after a game. Like coaches for

1:16:32

the most part before they even go

1:16:34

into the room are in front of reporters

1:16:37

talking into a microphone. And as they're

1:16:39

talking with a microphone, players are showering,

1:16:41

getting changed, getting ready to leave until

1:16:44

reporters go in there to talk to

1:16:46

the players. Like when exactly, when exactly

1:16:48

is a coach supposed to have 15

1:16:50

minutes to talk to his players after

1:16:52

a game? Uh, that's the thing, like,

1:16:54

what's he gonna do? But in between

1:16:57

periods is freaking crazy. In between periods,

1:16:59

it seems like bad coaching. That seems

1:17:01

insane to me. That seems like bad

1:17:03

coaching, which is why George Glenn is

1:17:05

a bad coach. But there was a

1:17:07

couple, yes, I mean, there's some questions

1:17:09

about George Glenn coming up, don't worry.

1:17:11

Oh, fantastic. Still alive in my life

1:17:13

somehow. The light of my life. There,

1:17:15

there was some- Remember when he was just,

1:17:17

go long. I'm not looking for credit

1:17:20

for a lot of things on

1:17:22

this show, but there was seriously

1:17:24

what, like we were just

1:17:26

watching the ESPN one day and

1:17:28

then we had a podcast after

1:17:31

and I was like, Ryan, are

1:17:33

you hearing this shit? Like, am

1:17:35

I nuts? This is, like, he

1:17:37

just changed his name. Didn't we

1:17:39

tell Vince to, uh, we did.

1:17:41

We were like, we were like,

1:17:43

Vince, you have to ask him.

1:17:46

Like this, this is insane behavior.

1:17:48

I just never said anything. What

1:17:50

is happening? I'm not saying that

1:17:52

maybe would have happened at some

1:17:54

point without this podcast, but you

1:17:56

got to give his credit for

1:17:58

raising the alarm. I even forget what

1:18:00

my point was going to be, because

1:18:03

I just get seagued when Duragoland comes

1:18:05

up. This is from Jets Rangers 1.

1:18:07

Now that I fully understand Greg's disdain

1:18:09

for Trumbull. Does his respect for a

1:18:11

jury increase knowing that he has totally

1:18:13

dissociated himself with the town that initially

1:18:15

made him famous and has almost zero

1:18:17

connections to it now? Anyway, never speaks

1:18:19

of high school graduations despite inviting multiple

1:18:22

times and has donated both zero time

1:18:24

or money to local youth sports programs.

1:18:26

Wow, is this a jury hit piece?

1:18:28

Holy holy. I can tip my cap

1:18:30

that Chris Juri has done that, but

1:18:32

I am a firm believer of, you

1:18:34

can't change cat stripes, so he's still

1:18:36

tumbled to me, which means, while I

1:18:38

enjoy what he's done for the Rangers

1:18:41

for the Rangers for the most part.

1:18:43

He can still go fuck himself no

1:18:45

matter what. I've donated zero money to

1:18:47

Marris. Zero. Oh, would you, I've bought

1:18:49

basketball tickets through Marris? I've done nothing.

1:18:51

Nothing. I've done nothing for my high

1:18:53

school. Here's the thing. I can't remember

1:18:55

last time I've been in Westport. Like

1:18:57

I got no reason to go back

1:19:00

there. Yeah, like I'm not really gonna

1:19:02

slam jury for this. I'll slam jury

1:19:04

for this. I'll slam for trading Bush

1:19:06

damage. Not this. This is for PJ

1:19:08

Smith. Sembing from the misconduct penalty that

1:19:10

Laffey got on Lightning on April 7th,

1:19:12

should refs be required to address questions

1:19:14

post-game about calls or non-calls? What are

1:19:16

their sports like football or baseball? What

1:19:19

about other sports? I mean, we've talked

1:19:21

about this before. This has never made

1:19:23

any sense to me that if refs

1:19:25

want to play the import role that

1:19:27

they do in sporting events, and it

1:19:29

shouldn't just be every sport, I think

1:19:31

baseball does it too. It's one pool

1:19:33

reporter that gets to go in and

1:19:35

ask one question to an official and

1:19:38

that counts as a statement. It's bullshit.

1:19:40

Like if players have to stand there

1:19:42

and respond to reporters when they go

1:19:44

over four with four strikeouts or they

1:19:46

take a bad penalty or they blow

1:19:48

a lead late, like I don't think

1:19:50

sports writers get indignant when E. Gores

1:19:52

or Sturkin doesn't want to talk to

1:19:54

them after a bad game and I

1:19:57

understand that gripe. Officials shouldn't be able

1:19:59

to just not. And this, honestly, I

1:20:01

am long held to believe that I

1:20:03

think this would improve fan opinion of

1:20:05

officials if they were held to account.

1:20:07

I think part of the reason why

1:20:09

fans get so frustrated by officials, whatever

1:20:11

they do on the ice, is because

1:20:13

it feels like they are above the

1:20:16

law when they come off it. So

1:20:18

I think to me, a simple man,

1:20:20

if officials opened up more often. and

1:20:22

spoke with reporters and spoke in detail

1:20:24

to reporters, I think it would improve

1:20:26

fan official relations. Put a tariff on

1:20:28

that, bitch. I'm right there with you.

1:20:30

I don't need to say anything you

1:20:32

said. This is from the oceanic seventh.

1:20:35

From everything we are assuming about Georgia's

1:20:37

coaching hire, a little chance of creativity

1:20:39

once proven winter, etc. Are we underestimating

1:20:41

the potential for it to be Quinnville?

1:20:43

We are not. No, we're actually terrified

1:20:45

of it. We are terrified of it.

1:20:47

Because I don't want to talk about

1:20:49

it. Never. It's something I don't want

1:20:51

to cover. I will tell you this.

1:20:54

The chances of this happening are very

1:20:56

low in my head. Someone's at my

1:20:58

door. Oh, go say hello. I'll answer

1:21:00

this question. You go do your thing.

1:21:02

Okay. I will say, I will tell

1:21:04

you right now that this is a

1:21:06

very low chance of happening. The reason

1:21:08

I'm telling you this is Quenville has

1:21:10

not had makeup with a league as

1:21:13

far as my understanding. And Chris Drury

1:21:15

is like the MRPRs you might have

1:21:17

heard from the beginning of this podcast

1:21:19

is pretty sensitive towards the way they

1:21:21

are covered and the way they are

1:21:23

spoken about. I think it's been mentioned

1:21:25

actually a lot on this podcast and

1:21:27

bringing that to the New York Rangers

1:21:29

atmosphere which by the way I don't

1:21:32

know if you've heard has a lot

1:21:34

of bad vibes right now is not

1:21:36

the way I expect Drury and Dolan

1:21:38

to enhance themselves in the off seas.

1:21:40

Greg are you back or no? into

1:21:42

the universe that this year would be

1:21:44

boring. Uh, yeah, I think I do.

1:21:46

Like I was going, this might be

1:21:48

surprising to any of you. I got

1:21:51

tagged a lot in my We're still

1:21:53

in the Good Times tweet from October

1:21:55

24th, I believe it was. And by

1:21:57

the way, we were still in the

1:21:59

Good Times. were six, two, and one,

1:22:01

they were destroying teams. It was, I

1:22:03

remember texting, I was texting with Connor

1:22:05

who's been on the show, we didn't

1:22:07

mention as a great guest before, about how

1:22:10

no matter what, like at least we

1:22:12

have the Rangers, because the jets are

1:22:14

terrible. Well, turns out they weren't just

1:22:16

boring, they were a disaster, and I,

1:22:18

someone will find this or it'll come

1:22:20

up again. I think we said like

1:22:22

it's almost impossible for the Rangers to

1:22:24

miss the playoffs, and yet they did.

1:22:26

So yeah, it wasn't boring, but the

1:22:28

team was boring, like. I wasn't, we weren't

1:22:30

wrong, but it was also the worst way

1:22:33

possible. Greg is not back, correct? Great,

1:22:35

still me. This is from San, deserved better.

1:22:37

With, well there's so little time left in

1:22:39

the season, I think it's fair to follow

1:22:41

up on this now. Earlier in the season,

1:22:43

Greg mentioned that you can only know rock

1:22:45

bottom when you're past it. The Rangers

1:22:47

managed to pull themselves back into contention,

1:22:50

rather playoff conversation, and January

1:22:52

and January and February

1:22:54

after the nightmare of November and December.

1:22:56

So previously... I'd have said Rock Bottom

1:22:59

was 5-0 lost in New Jersey before

1:23:01

Christmas and they got 12 shots. However,

1:23:03

in March and April, I have been

1:23:05

so bad, it's been so bad again, I'm

1:23:07

now questioning it. What do you guys think

1:23:09

was Rock Bottom and how is it possible

1:23:11

someone managed to hit Rock Bottom

1:23:14

twice in the year for the second stretch

1:23:16

of horrible playing rack or whatever.

1:23:18

I got a text from a friend of ours in

1:23:20

the show two days ago I think it was,

1:23:22

and it says, are we sure we're at Rock Bottom,

1:23:24

we're at Rock Bottom yet? I don't know

1:23:27

for officially there at this point. Like

1:23:29

we could still do more. It could

1:23:31

still get worse somehow, even with the

1:23:33

season being over. So when you say like,

1:23:35

do we know yet what rock bottom was?

1:23:37

Man, like, there's so many times I

1:23:39

can go and tell you right now that

1:23:42

rock bottom has happened. The Pittsburgh game when

1:23:44

they didn't have Malkin or Crosby. The Flames

1:23:46

game on a Tuesday when they lost 2-1.

1:23:48

The many games they showed up and had

1:23:51

less than three high danger chances. They had

1:23:53

three or four games where they had less

1:23:55

than 0.75 expected goal average. This is a

1:23:58

team who just didn't show up over. and

1:24:00

over again. So what was the rock

1:24:02

bottom? Is the rock bottom this summer

1:24:04

when maybe they don't make any moves?

1:24:06

Chris Crider ends up staying? Like is

1:24:09

that possibly what it could be? Like

1:24:11

rock bottom is, it's really hard to

1:24:13

describe and I still don't think we're

1:24:15

further enough out. We're gonna find out,

1:24:18

I think I'll be able to answer

1:24:20

this question next January and let you

1:24:22

know what it was, but I don't

1:24:24

know if we're there yet. Greg, check

1:24:26

it on you. What's the worst sport

1:24:29

event? Everything we've seen from any/all Ranger

1:24:31

skating this season or the Lukatrade. Oh,

1:24:33

the Lukatrade is by far one of

1:24:35

the worst, if not the worst, sports

1:24:38

management of like the last 10 years.

1:24:40

Like if you're, Ranger fans are down

1:24:42

bad right now. Like, but there's still

1:24:44

hope for the future. Like, you might

1:24:46

say to yourself, what hope is that?

1:24:49

But I could talk you into it,

1:24:51

like you still have a goaltender who

1:24:53

I believe is the best goaltender in

1:24:55

the league. I think despite all the

1:24:57

slander that Adam Fox has gotten over

1:25:00

this year, you still have a number

1:25:02

one defender who is a top five

1:25:04

defender in the league when things are

1:25:06

going right. If not, I think he's

1:25:09

a top 10 defender. You still have

1:25:11

our Tammy Panera who's just scored 80

1:25:13

points again, yet again. And as you're

1:25:15

still aging, you still get around for

1:25:17

one more year. And you still have

1:25:20

J.T. Miller, who is still a top

1:25:22

20, like things are still good in

1:25:24

terms of talent. The Mavericks traded Lukadonchits

1:25:26

for nothing. I mean, Anta Davis is

1:25:29

there, but he's already hurt. He's still

1:25:31

trying to play. They ruined the culture

1:25:33

and they ruined their entire, every ounce

1:25:35

of goodwill they've earned is gone. There's

1:25:37

something extremely valuable about that. Raiders still

1:25:40

have goodwill within the season. All it

1:25:42

takes is a couple winning weeks next

1:25:44

year. Raw maybe. Take a look in

1:25:46

the fridge, see what's in there, I'm

1:25:49

a little thirsty, what's up? The Mavericks?

1:25:51

Like, I don't, there are fans that

1:25:53

will never come back. It's literally like

1:25:55

moving the team. It's that bad. They've

1:25:57

ruined future fans. They ruined the entire

1:26:00

organization. Greg, check it on you. I

1:26:02

don't know what's happening with Greg. It's

1:26:04

pretty funny though that I'm doing this

1:26:06

alone. I hope you guys are enjoying.

1:26:08

It's from Dr. Gala-Kawisks. That's wrong. The

1:26:11

Ranger's goal song, Potvin' Suck's Chant, Dancing

1:26:13

Larry. One you get to keep, one

1:26:15

you get to eat into the sun.

1:26:17

I'm gonna like leave Dancing Larry because,

1:26:20

honestly? Oh no, this is wrong. I'm

1:26:22

keeping the Ranger goal song. There's nothing

1:26:24

wrong with it. It's totally fine. It

1:26:26

kind of rules to be honest sometimes.

1:26:28

And when you're chanting in the stadium,

1:26:31

that's great. I would yee to the

1:26:33

Potvin suck song, chant into the sun.

1:26:35

Because look, I know it's tradition. I

1:26:37

get it's part of the part of

1:26:40

it. I just don't. I hate when

1:26:42

I'm like watching an islanders game randomly

1:26:44

or like some other squad and like

1:26:46

their big chances. Rangers suck like out

1:26:48

of like out of nowhere. Like I

1:26:51

don't want you to think about you.

1:26:53

I wish there was a chance that

1:26:55

wasn't just based on a rival, who

1:26:57

by the way, Poppin was pretty good.

1:27:00

And Dancing Larry, like, I'm over it.

1:27:02

I'm happy for him. I'm glad he

1:27:04

gets to do that stuff, but I

1:27:06

don't, I don't really care. So, this

1:27:08

is from Killmus 35. What do you

1:27:11

think was being sung when the Ranger

1:27:13

score? According to the Ranger's app, I've

1:27:15

been living a lie. Obviously the lyrics

1:27:17

are whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, hey,

1:27:20

hey, hey. I think this has been

1:27:22

discussed plenty of times, like this is

1:27:24

like an off-season conversation where it's not

1:27:26

goal, it's whoa. But honestly, it's art.

1:27:28

It's whatever it is to you. How

1:27:31

do you want it to say for

1:27:33

it? These questions from Alexi Lafayette for

1:27:35

New Year's Must. How Was Greg taking

1:27:37

this segment on his own? Did someone

1:27:39

kill Greg at the door? Next to

1:27:42

you right at the question, Alexey Loughranier

1:27:44

is mustache. I'm not sure what's happening

1:27:46

to Greg. He could be being murdered

1:27:48

right now, live, on the podcast, and

1:27:51

I would have no clue. No clue

1:27:53

at all. He's simply not back. Oh,

1:27:55

you wrote another question. Okay. What's worse?

1:27:57

What's Ryan's worst met take? Brett Beatty

1:27:59

becoming a viable Major League player? Or

1:28:02

Greg being a Homer about the Mets?

1:28:04

It's probably Greg being a Homer because

1:28:06

he is, I don't know, a little

1:28:08

bit, you know, I guess critical of

1:28:11

them, I would say. But I did

1:28:13

drop Brett Beatty in my dynasty already.

1:28:15

So, that was bad by me. So

1:28:17

Brettley. Give me your dream. Muppets Sixman.

1:28:19

Hell in a cell and who wins.

1:28:22

And who wins. You know, I'm... There's

1:28:24

Elmo... Elmo's a muppet, right? Like he's

1:28:26

in Sesame Street, but he's a muppet.

1:28:28

That's a Jim Henson thing, right? Am

1:28:31

I wrong? So I have Elmo winning

1:28:33

over Kermit the Frog. Animal? Damn. This

1:28:35

is hard. Greg would be better at

1:28:37

this too. This is more of a

1:28:39

Greg question. We'll come back to it.

1:28:42

I'm gonna text Greg right now. Are

1:28:44

you alive? Because we're still recording. People

1:28:46

are going to be like, what is

1:28:48

happening? Are you alive? All right, next

1:28:50

question. This is from Noah. Who on

1:28:53

the Rangers? Either on this team or

1:28:55

former Ranger, which you compare most to

1:28:57

Brett Beatty. I mean, he's just so

1:28:59

god damn bad. I mean, he's really

1:29:02

just brutal and tough to watch. That

1:29:04

being said, I'm struggling to come up

1:29:06

with a player on the Rangers that

1:29:08

matches special level of an attitude at

1:29:10

the highest level combined with some actual

1:29:13

minor league success. I'll hang up and

1:29:15

listen. I'm pretty sure Brett Brady is

1:29:17

Leah Sanderson. Like, first round draft pick,

1:29:19

has probably a lot of talent, has

1:29:22

the attitude, has the skills, and it

1:29:24

just never, I mean, even when he

1:29:26

was given opportunities, it was kind of

1:29:28

like, man, this guy is so bad,

1:29:30

he probably used to play on the

1:29:33

fourth line. So Brett Beatty is Leah

1:29:35

Sanderson, and I think Greg would agree

1:29:37

with me, but he's dead. I'm not

1:29:39

going to say that. No, Greg's coming

1:29:42

back. Coming back, we're gonna keep doing

1:29:44

the podcast. This is for Pauline. Based

1:29:46

on what Jesse said about Sullivan's coaching

1:29:48

this year, he sounds a lot like

1:29:50

Lobbulette. If Drury adjust the lineup to

1:29:53

fast forechecking team, does it matter if

1:29:55

we change coaches? What makes Sully so

1:29:57

special? Winning cups with Crosby and Molken

1:29:59

doesn't really count. Like, you get credit

1:30:01

if you win. Like, and Sullivan's done

1:30:04

that. And I get that he had

1:30:06

two of the best players of that

1:30:08

era in their primes, but the rest

1:30:10

of the team needs to adjust to

1:30:13

his system. I'm not sure, and Jesse

1:30:15

does a great job of breaking this

1:30:17

down, especially with Sullivan. Sullivan makes these

1:30:19

honest adjustments that Lobbulette does not. And

1:30:21

I'm not sure we've had a real

1:30:24

X as an O's coach for a

1:30:26

long time. Now, it is all about

1:30:28

getting the message through. And I think

1:30:30

what you're saying, Paul, is that... Sullivan's

1:30:33

message wasn't getting through to them this

1:30:35

year, similar to how Lovelet's message wasn't

1:30:37

getting through. Sullivan is still regarded widely

1:30:39

around hockey as one of the best,

1:30:41

if not the best, coaching hockey. Rod

1:30:44

is obviously there. Cooper is probably up

1:30:46

on there as well. But Sullivan is

1:30:48

regarding the USA hockey as the guy,

1:30:50

as you probably saw. And because of

1:30:53

that, you're going to probably get a

1:30:55

year where Sullivan becomes a free agent

1:30:57

and probably the Ranger's coach. What makes

1:30:59

it special? He's one before. He's one

1:31:01

before. And he makes the adjustments. It's

1:31:04

the reputation. Would Paul, I'll answer it

1:31:06

this way, I'd rather build my own

1:31:08

coach at home, have my, this is

1:31:10

guy's gonna be the Ranger coach for

1:31:12

10 years, this is my culture, it's

1:31:15

built around him situation. But Sullivan, from

1:31:17

everything that Greg and I know, is

1:31:19

the prize of the New York Ranger's

1:31:21

eyes. I am gonna pause for a

1:31:24

minute and hope Greg comes back. So

1:31:26

we'll stay tuned, be right back one

1:31:28

second. Are you a live text? Always

1:31:30

hits different when you're actually serious. Because

1:31:32

I thought there was a chance someone

1:31:35

walking your ass murdered you. I

1:31:37

mean, since I've

1:31:39

been in this new

1:31:41

place, I've talked

1:31:44

about how I've like

1:31:46

heard things. I

1:31:48

know. That shouldn't be

1:31:50

hearing. I know.

1:31:52

So I did a

1:31:55

couple more minutes

1:31:57

of the podcast. I

1:31:59

answered some more.

1:32:01

I did a terrible

1:32:04

job of giving

1:32:06

me your six -man

1:32:08

dream Muppet Hell in

1:32:10

the Cell and

1:32:12

who wins. Oh, yeah.

1:32:16

Is Elmo a Muppet? Elmo is

1:32:18

a Sesame Street character. But

1:32:20

isn't Sesame Street kind of Jim

1:32:22

Hansen? I think they're in,

1:32:24

it's... You

1:32:27

want to play this game? I don't

1:32:29

know. You want to do this? It's

1:32:31

I just figured it'd be a question.

1:32:33

Ethnicity is Elmo compared to Gonzo. Is

1:32:35

that what we're doing? Is Elmo a

1:32:37

Muppet? Let me ask. There you go.

1:32:39

I would consider him a Sesame Street

1:32:41

character. He's not in any Christmas carols. That's...

1:32:44

I think there's a difference. AI

1:32:48

says Elmo's a Muppet. Okay.

1:32:50

Like he's a puppet. He's a part

1:32:52

of the Muppet family created by the Jim

1:32:54

Hansen and the Jim Hansen company. So

1:32:56

he's a Muppet. Sesame Street. It's like which

1:32:58

side of the tracks did you grow

1:33:00

up on? Elmo is a Muppet. He doesn't

1:33:02

go to Thanksgiving with Kermit the Frog,

1:33:04

you know? Who

1:33:06

did live? Okay.

1:33:09

Let's answer some more questions. You got back in

1:33:11

time for drawing questions. So you put Elmo in

1:33:13

your six -man hell in a cell? I had

1:33:15

him winning. You had

1:33:17

Elmo winning? Oh, we're animal,

1:33:19

yeah. First of all, are you

1:33:21

fucking mental? Second, I'm not

1:33:23

putting anything past... You know what

1:33:25

podcast I would actually listen

1:33:27

to? Tell me. Rizzo and Peppy.

1:33:29

I think we can make

1:33:31

it happen. You want to do...

1:33:35

We'll try and emulate that. There's so

1:33:37

much to my host. There was...