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Welcome to the show. Today we've got

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an awesome, awesome podcast for you

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guys. I've got two of the world's

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best stage hypnotists in the house,

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and we're going to talk about epic

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stories, entertaining, educational stuff,

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mostly entertaining, and we're going to

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have a blast. So

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before we get into episode 278

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of the Brain Software Podcast with

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Mike Mandel. Hello. And Michael C.

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Anthony. Here's your disclaimer. Disclaimer,

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this podcast may cause spontaneous

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hypnosis, spontaneous combustion, inexplicable

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laughter, and sudden urges to cluck

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like a chicken at family

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dinners. Side effects may include

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temporary amnesia, a craving

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for twizzlers, and thinking your name is

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Becky when it's not. If

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symptoms persist, please contact a stage

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hypnotist as a consultation, which will help

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you, or just keep listening, because

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at this point, can you really stop

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us? Can you stop us at

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all? So let's welcome a

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man who once hypnotized an entire

1:01

room with nothing but a smirk and

1:03

a well -timed eyebrow. Her raw! A

1:05

performer so skilled he can do

1:07

a stage show and win a backgammon

1:09

game without standing up. I'm still

1:12

sitting there. Sometimes. only, the

1:14

only, hypnotist who actually

1:16

is the Keith Richards of

1:18

hypnosis, not just in

1:20

style, but perhaps in age.

1:22

Please welcome Mike Mandel. And

1:27

as our opening banter, let me say that we

1:29

have had a fabulous dinner in the last 24

1:31

hours. We were at parties. We were at the

1:33

Royal York Hotel for drinks in the library bar.

1:35

We then went to Allen's with whiskey. It was

1:37

a good night. And Chris has been limping around

1:39

with a spring knee, so it's made it especially

1:41

entertaining. But let me do an intro for our

1:43

special guest, my other best friend

1:45

in the world tonight from an undisclosed

1:47

location known only to members of the

1:50

Illuminati, a man emerges. He's performed

1:52

in theaters on cruise ships

1:54

and for himself and possibly in

1:56

the collective dreamscape of humanity. himself.

1:58

He is the stage hypnosis what

2:00

ducks are to trees and

2:02

espresso is to Italians. Dark,

2:05

powerful and a little bit dangerous. He

2:07

wants hypnotized a heckler into apologizing in three

2:09

languages and when he got out of

2:11

the hospital he felt a lot better. The

2:14

day of the show he is the godfather of

2:16

stage hypnosis but don't ask him for a favor

2:18

on the day of his show. Ladies and gentlemen

2:20

hide your critical faculties put them aside you will

2:22

not need them switch off your cell phone and

2:24

join me in welcoming the man himself Michael C.

2:26

Anthony. All right. That

2:28

was good. Okay. Well, there we go.

2:30

We got the intros out of the

2:33

way. So let's get on with talking

2:35

about stage hypnosis. So basically we're cramming

2:37

in here into this tight studio to

2:39

have a conversation about all kinds of

2:41

crazy stuff that happened in the world

2:43

of entertainment. This is it. We have

2:45

a lot of interesting talking points rather

2:47

than talking about it. Interesting they are.

2:49

Let's start with this. Okay, so. You

2:52

cannot, Chris, that you have to just

2:54

keep at least some modicum of the

2:56

original idea. So I'm going to do

2:58

for you. where's that? In one step,

3:00

MCA to Dracula. Are you ready? Oh,

3:02

yeah. Here it is. Okay. MCA. MCA.

3:04

To Dracula. What

3:06

are you talking about? I don't

3:08

know the Dracula game yet. You haven't played those.

3:10

It's just that's one step. Oh, yeah. That's

3:13

fantastic. So. As all our listeners know, you have

3:15

to take a word when we skip the

3:17

three things ten months of this week. I know.

3:19

But you have to take a word and

3:21

then make steps until you get to Dracula. Like

3:23

coffee to Dracula. Like coffee to coffee. the

3:25

Kevin Bacon thing. Yeah, there he goes. Separation,

3:28

success separation. You

3:30

know that? Yes. Okay. Right. So

3:32

we got Michael C. Anthony. To

3:34

Dracula. To stage. To

3:36

wood. to wooden steak to wooden

3:38

steak to Dracula. There we go. All

3:40

right. Coffee to coffin to Dracula

3:42

was pretty coffee to coffin is cozy

3:44

to coffee to coffee. Okay. Brilliant.

3:46

Just because your mug says cozy on

3:49

it. Let's get these stories out.

3:51

All right. So let's start. going to

3:53

start with the following. First of

3:55

all, Before ever getting involved in stage

3:57

hypnosis, let's back up a bit.

3:59

Let's talk about the discovery of embedded

4:01

commands, because I want to hear

4:03

from both of you on when you

4:05

discovered embedded commands, which is an

4:07

Ericksonian language pattern that we've talked about

4:09

in this podcast before. Yes, we

4:11

do. And some examples of perhaps in

4:13

your youth, inappropriate use of embedded

4:15

commands. yeah. I thought that would be

4:17

fun. Let's start

4:20

with MCI. OK. My

4:22

very first, and this is going to

4:25

sound cruel, but it was, there was no

4:27

bad intention. My very first experience with

4:29

hypnosis before I really knew much about it,

4:31

but there were some embedded commands. Because

4:33

remember my great uncle was a stage hypnotist.

4:35

I was kind of new even as

4:37

a boy. I was a young lad and

4:40

there was this kid down the street. And

4:42

we decided to go to the park, and

4:44

he's on the swing. And

4:46

I decided I'm going to push him on

4:48

the swing. I was like, crazy. So I'm

4:51

pushing him on the swing really high, and

4:53

he's coming down, and it's over. And then

4:55

we're starting to leave. So I'm thinking, I'm

4:57

going to try some of the hypnosis things

4:59

that I've heard about. And I started saying,

5:01

I'm feeling very well, are you? I

5:03

was pushing you too long.

5:06

And you're not feeling well. you

5:08

feel like you might want

5:10

to vomit, don't you? Don't

5:13

you? Putting tag questions, putting tag questions

5:15

in. No, that was a tag

5:17

question at the end, right? And I

5:19

keep doing this over and over. Gonna

5:21

blow chunks, aren't you? Feel you're feeling

5:23

you're feeling poorly. Aren't you poorly? Yeah,

5:25

it's so English. Oh, aren't you within

5:27

20 minutes? I was just so you

5:29

did this 20 minutes non -stop I

5:32

know why you need a shotgun mic

5:34

in your studio because you can't talk

5:36

into the microphone to see me. Well,

5:38

I'm not used to this type of

5:40

mic Yeah, right and so within 20

5:42

minutes. He's on his hands and knees

5:45

vomiting like Jack the Vomiter. Yeah. Yeah,

5:47

and I'm like He didn't

5:49

feel this way right after the swing, but

5:51

I induced this. I induced vomiting. Well, the

5:53

thing I like is your induction was the

5:55

motion of the swing. There's your giant swing

5:57

pendulum. There you go, giant pendulum. Yeah, yeah.

6:00

It's amazing the stupid things we do when

6:02

we're young. Yeah, of course. Do you

6:04

have any similar stories? Well, yes, I do.

6:06

When I started doing embedded commands, you might recall I told the

6:08

story about when my wife and I had to go to

6:10

a wedding in Montreal of someone we didn't really care about. And

6:12

on the way back in the car, I was driving the

6:14

Volvo, my wife's in the front seat, John and Janet in the

6:16

back seat. They're

6:18

reading, they're not talking to me, so I put the stereo

6:20

on, black Sabbath, they're chattin' off, we can't hear ourselves think.

6:22

I said, come on guys, talk to me, you know how

6:25

we're reading, it's raining, boring, five -hour drive. And I said,

6:27

you know, in a long drive in the rain, it's very

6:29

easy to begin to get car sick. Just drop my voice

6:31

to begin to get car sick. My wife looks like this.

6:33

And then about two minutes later, Janet goes, can

6:36

somebody wind the window down and feel really sick? And he

6:38

said, so do I. I said, maybe it's carbon monoxide poisoning.

6:40

I said, how do you feel now? Put the heat on

6:42

full, start driving. A power so

6:44

great could only be used for good

6:46

or evil. Oh, man. OK. You've

6:48

done stuff, though, too. Yeah, I have.

6:51

I'll tell this one. Getting people

6:53

sick through hypnosis. This

6:55

stupidity of, in my case, being

6:58

in my 20s. So

7:00

I was at a work party and

7:02

I was young and it was like

7:04

an open bar type of situation and

7:06

the guy that I worked with at

7:08

the time, one of my colleagues,

7:10

we'll call him Mario only because that was

7:12

his actual name. He had clearly

7:14

had a bit too much to drink. He

7:16

was sitting at one of these high -top tables

7:18

by himself kind of head in his Heading his

7:20

hands, obviously, you know, not doing so well.

7:22

And I sat him beside him and I just

7:24

started saying, oh, did you

7:26

have a bit too much to drink? Yeah.

7:28

Are you feeling okay? Oh, you know.

7:31

Yeah. You know, I remember what it's like

7:33

sometimes to feel like you've drinking too

7:35

much. And when that would happen to me,

7:37

I would just need to go vomit.

7:39

And I started layering this on and won't

7:41

go into detail, but basically just layered

7:43

it on in such obvious heavy handed. It

7:45

was probably furrowing the brows. brows, yeah. Marking

7:48

it. Yeah within about two minutes. He got

7:50

up He went down to the basement of this

7:52

bar and and all I hear is people

7:54

coming upstairs Mario's puking of course thought it was

7:56

hilarious being in my 20s and yeah, how

7:58

do you feel about it now? It's the real

8:00

question. Where's your humanity? when

8:03

you did your handshake interrupt induction

8:06

to the guy at the University

8:08

to a journalist. And then

8:10

you were recounting that story to the

8:12

American soldier. Yes. And you did the same

8:14

thing. Well, the same thing happened. So

8:16

a couple of years go by and I

8:18

met my friend's wedding and his best

8:20

man, guy named Dan. is now

8:22

also in a similar situation. He's had a bit

8:24

too much to drink. So I'm saying, oh, the

8:26

weirdest thing happened a few years ago. I was

8:28

sitting with this guy, Mario, and I was saying

8:31

to him, oh, well, clearly, when you have too

8:33

much to drink, you just start to need to

8:35

vomit. And it's a weird thing how the, and

8:37

he goes off to the bathroom. So

8:39

anyway, so we've

8:41

never talked about vomit is the theme

8:43

of this podcast. Clearly. Let's just pursue this

8:45

for a moment, gentlemen. My concern is

8:47

we have three smart. Well, this

8:49

is our best use. That's

8:52

it. How have we all come to the

8:54

same conclusion? This embedded command thing is amazing. What

8:56

if it makes someone feel seriously ill? Actually,

8:59

yeah, that's... I didn't know how to stop there.

9:01

I didn't know how to make them think he's

9:03

got cancer. I'm not interested in helping anybody. Let's

9:06

see if we can make the moment. No

9:08

SIBO. This is a new trait. It's no SIBO

9:10

embedded commands. Yes. It

9:12

doesn't make you feel ill now. And

9:14

we're not suggesting that anyone actually do this.

9:16

No, don't. We're just admitting to our... in

9:19

our youth, which is, I don't know

9:21

if I'm admitting to that. Which

9:23

transferred well into adulthood. Yeah,

9:26

pretty much, yeah. I think, oh, you

9:28

mentioned to me, just to

9:30

keep it on puke for

9:32

a little while longer, what

9:34

happened on one of your

9:37

stage shows where you made

9:39

a particularly innocuous suggestion? Yeah.

9:41

What happened? This was actually

9:43

at a college. Okay. Everyone's

9:46

sitting everyone's sitting in the rows and there's

9:48

a guy on stage big guy right in the

9:50

middle And I'm getting the point of the

9:52

show or I'm giving them food all the same.

9:54

They're getting very warm very hot Yeah, and

9:56

and I say if you'd like something to drink

9:58

hold out right hands or everybody's everyone's got

10:00

their handle like this So you've got a glass

10:02

of water, you know, how cold is it

10:04

and they're putting against their forehead? Yeah like this

10:07

And I say, we're all going to drink

10:09

it together on the count of three, you ready?

10:11

One, two, three, drink it down now. Everyone

10:13

goes like this. They're all chugging it down because

10:15

they're thirsty. And then the joke

10:17

in there is, wait a minute, that's not

10:19

water, that's vinegar, right? So everybody has

10:21

seen it a hundred times. They

10:23

cough it out, except for the big guy.

10:25

And there's no actual liquid here. Yeah, it's all

10:27

imagined. But they all choke it out, right?

10:29

And nobody throws up. But at this time, the

10:31

big guy. I say, wait a minute, that's

10:33

not water, that's vinegar. Ooh,

10:37

a pound of spaghetti. A

10:39

pound of spaghetti. All over

10:41

the stage. You sure wasn't

10:43

threatened. Well, I'm

10:46

amazed. I don't even know what to do.

10:48

People are coming from the back of the theater

10:50

with their cell phones. They're filming it now,

10:52

right? I want to see this. And I finally

10:54

snap everybody out of it. They get out.

10:56

Everyone's like, oh, who puked on the stage? The

10:58

big guy. Oh, who puked on the stage?

11:00

No idea. He'd done it. That's yeah. Now that's

11:02

interesting because I too had a vomiting on

11:04

stage thing. It was University of Windsor years ago.

11:07

Remember I did the roller coaster bit for

11:09

you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So they're on the stage

11:11

and second row. Yeah, it was interesting. Second

11:13

row of people standing behind the chairs. They're taking

11:15

the roller coaster. If you're forced to stand

11:17

on it, it's more terrifying because it's designed for

11:19

that. They're all hanging on. They come up

11:21

the first hill and really into it and then

11:23

down the other side and the girl at

11:25

the back goes throws up into her hands. and

11:28

I snap them all out of it, and

11:30

she just stands there crying. Offering it.

11:32

And actually offers it to me,

11:34

like, what do I do? Oh, it's

11:36

horrible. Can I give it to you?

11:38

Stop. Now, how do you deal with something like

11:40

that in a stage environment? Because obviously, OK. have

11:42

to make a joke out of it. You're now

11:44

a professional stage hit that is at this point

11:47

in your life, right? Well, you're not. I know

11:49

what you mean. Yeah, yeah. You're on stage. You're

11:51

doing a show. You're a professional. Yeah. You're

11:53

not intending to make anyone actually

11:55

vomit, but. in the rare cases of

11:58

thousands of shows, it can happen.

12:00

What do you do? You

12:02

roll with it. Because

12:04

there was throw up on the stage

12:06

in front of them, I had everybody

12:08

just move the chairs up to cover,

12:10

so it was now under the chairs.

12:12

There's no time to clean. Clean up

12:15

on aisle six. Yeah, but there was

12:17

still probably a 30 minutes. I

12:19

don't even remember. Here's

12:23

my question

12:26

for you. What

12:28

fulfillment do

12:30

you get from

12:33

the experience? Oh,

12:35

the story. The story that counts. I'll tell

12:37

this on stage. I think it becomes a

12:39

lesson, right? Because you can tell the story

12:42

in sort of a... If you're the type

12:44

of person who has a weak stomach for

12:46

these kinds of imagination activities, maybe stay in

12:48

the audience. Yeah, the nice thing is it

12:50

shows the power of hypnosis. Yeah. But then

12:52

I will say there will be no vomiting

12:54

on the stage. Bingo. So you cancel that

12:56

suggestion. So you're permitting them to vomit once

12:58

they get off stage. Of course. Or you've

13:00

got to put some constraints on it. Yes.

13:02

All right. right. Okay. This is, I have

13:04

no idea how long we've been going here.

13:06

There we go. I can kind of see

13:08

it on my new monitor, which is still

13:10

cool. We got a new bit. Do you

13:12

realize this? We dropped the three words. We

13:14

got a new bit. which is called the

13:16

Fulfillment Index. Yes. Fulfillment.

13:21

Fulfillment. There was no fulfillment. All

13:23

right, let's move on to... Just

13:25

do a quick check here. Weird

13:27

responses from... You get any glare?

13:29

No, no glare. No glare on

13:31

the roll. We're good, we're good.

13:33

Okay, let's talk about some weird

13:35

responses to normal skits. So you

13:37

guys, obviously... professional stage hypnotists, you

13:39

develop a series of skits. It

13:41

usually starts with group skits and

13:43

then shifts over to... individual skits.

13:45

So whether it be group or

13:47

individual stuff happening like name amnesia,

13:49

stealing someone's wallet or cell phone

13:51

or, you know, being the laughter

13:53

police or having them be afraid

13:55

of a yellow ribbon versus a

13:57

blue ribbon. You did a little

13:59

switcheroo with mentalism and magic. That's

14:01

freaking cool. What are some normal

14:03

skits that maybe went off the

14:05

rails in a way that you

14:07

were not expecting over the years?

14:10

Yeah. And that's the thing. When you've done

14:12

a show thousands of times or, you

14:14

know, You still get surprised.

14:16

Yeah, yeah time to time because

14:18

of the creativity of the audience.

14:20

What have you I? recall There's

14:22

part of my show and I

14:24

make a guy think a broom

14:27

beautiful woman dances with it take

14:29

I've done a thousand dancing thousand

14:31

times right and This one time,

14:33

you know wide awake on the

14:35

count of three guy comes up

14:37

sees the broom music's playing beautiful

14:40

He's dancing with the broom caressing the

14:42

room. Yeah, of course careful caressing the

14:44

brooms though. They're calling these days Yeah,

14:46

I contact with the broom going well.

14:48

I've seen it many times. I contact

14:50

is loving yeah, yeah Well, I'm standing

14:52

there watching this happen along with the

14:54

audience and out of my peripherals I

14:56

see a girl who is also on

14:58

stage. She starts walking over. I'm like,

15:00

what's she going to say to me?

15:03

What she got on her mind? She

15:05

walks past me and I'm thinking, what's

15:07

going on here? I didn't know this

15:09

girl was the girlfriend of the guy

15:11

walking with the broom. So

15:13

she's jealous. She walks

15:15

up, grabs the broom, throws

15:17

it on the ground and says,

15:19

whore! You

15:23

can't write this stuff. You must have

15:25

incorporated that into obviously your reaction and

15:27

stuff. Oh, yeah. It's like insane laughter. It's

15:29

brilliant. It's just a comment. I can't

15:31

write this stuff. Yeah. This comes out of

15:33

the unconscious mind because she was watching

15:35

it, believing the whole thing as well, hallucinating

15:38

right along with it. Right with him.

15:40

And was she one the subjects or just?

15:42

She's one of the subjects. Yeah. Okay.

15:44

It would be funny if she caught it

15:46

just from being that proximity. So broom, strangeness.

15:51

I got one for you. It's one of

15:53

the strangest. Humber College, Rexdale, 1980s. I was

15:55

doing a show on a big rotunda there

15:57

and told everybody their shoes were on the

15:59

wrong feet and had to fix them. Yeah.

16:01

And then they walk around and feel like

16:03

they're fine. Well, this one guy, he didn't

16:05

have shoes on. It sucks. So he

16:07

took his freaking pants off and his

16:09

boxes and totally seriously. put them on backwards,

16:11

but he couldn't get the zip right.

16:13

So he came over to me and he

16:16

said, I just did it totally deadpan,

16:18

talking to the audience and zipping up his fly

16:20

at the back and buttoned it up and you're

16:22

good to go, buddy. You just

16:24

roll with it, right? You got to roll

16:26

with it. Yeah. Actually, this the perfect time.

16:28

So I have this later in my notes,

16:30

but we'll just move it. All right. Because

16:32

it fits. Oh, there we go. Be careful.

16:34

So this fits really nicely with the idea

16:36

of was thinking about this. I told you

16:38

about this over coffee this morning with hypnosis.

16:40

You often explained to your audience that hypnosis

16:43

This is very much like dreaming in a

16:45

lot of ways. So whatever you dream, at

16:47

the moment you're dreaming it, it

16:49

seems perfectly, even though it's absurd to

16:51

you. It's normal. Normal, yeah. If you

16:53

remember you dream, you're like, you know,

16:55

yeah, I was paddling a canoe down

16:57

the grocery aisle with, you know, using

16:59

ladders as ores or something or whatever

17:01

weird stuff. And in the moment if

17:04

you dream. It's completely logical until you

17:06

think about it later. But there's that

17:08

moment when you wake up, even if

17:10

it's just for a second or two,

17:12

you're saying, did that happen? Is that

17:14

real? Am I in bed or did

17:16

this just happen? Yeah. Did it really

17:18

happen? Yeah. So when

17:20

somebody asked me to explain, how did these

17:22

insane things happen on the stage? Just

17:25

like that. analogy I can give is,

17:27

you know, to speak on a level of someone that

17:29

can understand is like, you know, when you have a

17:31

dream and you have a dream, whether it be a

17:33

good dream, a bad dream, you really believe that it's

17:35

happening. Then you wake up and you're like, did that

17:37

really happen? And then you go back to sleep and

17:39

you do it all over again. That's

17:41

the same happening. That's also the worst when you go back

17:43

into it. And it's like fractionating because you think about it.

17:45

When we run a skit with a bunch of people on

17:48

stage, you know, whatever it is, a howling at the moon,

17:50

whatever. when we repeat it, we're fractioning.

17:52

And when they come out of it, they're

17:54

completely out of it, freaked out. They put

17:56

them back in, they respond even stronger. I

17:58

think it's the same when we have a

18:00

dream. I hate those dreams where you go

18:02

back to it and a crap's dream. And

18:04

I'm like, ah, this again. You wake up

18:06

in the morning thinking that you've entered and

18:08

emerged from the same freaking dream 16 times.

18:10

Yeah, I've had nights like that. The

18:13

reason I brought that up is because How

18:16

did the person respond to the shoe switching

18:18

of shoes? Well, he didn't have shoes. So

18:20

in his own mind, it made perfect sense

18:22

to just send the shoes for jeans. Yeah,

18:24

put them on backwards and get help. That's

18:27

really weird. Oh, I thought of another one.

18:29

Okay. Another one, Chris. And it's the broom

18:31

again. Uh -oh. Uh -oh. Uh -oh. More broom

18:33

weirdness. Yes. Uh, hide

18:35

your children. Okay. Um,

18:37

hide your children. Yeah. So, uh,

18:41

Guy guys dancing with the broom

18:43

again. Okay guys dancing the broom

18:45

and He's taking it next level

18:47

like my show is perfectly clean,

18:49

right? You can't either of

18:51

you guys did any kind of You

18:53

can't always control a volunteer, right? You

18:55

don't know what might happen So this

18:57

guy takes a little bit further and

18:59

he lays it down and he gets

19:01

on top of it Okay. And he

19:03

starts gyrating, whatever. And I stopped that

19:05

right away. Yeah. As soon as I

19:07

see that. Yeah. But I let him

19:09

go far enough that the audience realizes

19:12

this could have might have gone far.

19:14

Right, right, But I just stopped it

19:16

to protect it and everything. Well,

19:18

anyway, so the way I

19:20

end the show is I make

19:22

them forget that everything happened and use

19:24

it to the whole experience. But

19:26

when they step off the stage, they

19:28

don't remember. Okay. So the way

19:30

I generally will end it. the

19:33

guy who danced with the broom often

19:35

the star of the show when he

19:37

steps off the stage when he so

19:39

the broom is generally laying on the

19:41

stage some it's still there yeah at

19:43

the at the end so he steps

19:45

off the stage and I always pick

19:47

up the broom he gets his moment

19:49

of revelation of everything that happened in

19:52

the show I tap the broom three

19:54

times remember this he looks back oh

19:56

it's a big double yeah yeah yeah

19:58

so at this point of the show

20:00

shows over I put it down,

20:02

I got to run and go sell merch, right? I

20:04

go out of sideways, right? Get out to the

20:06

front. So the broom is laying on the

20:08

stage. So I'm gone. I don't even

20:10

know any of this is happening. Will, my video guy,

20:12

he's filmed well over a hundred of my shows. He

20:15

starts to pack up, the audience

20:17

is leaving, but this guy is looking

20:19

at the broom from out in

20:21

the audience and Will sees us. What's

20:23

he doing? Will still got the

20:26

camera, right? Turns it back on. He

20:28

walks up to the stage, and in

20:30

this particular theater, there's a restroom right side

20:33

of the stage. Oh, no. Oh, yeah.

20:35

Yeah. Right side of the stage. So he

20:37

comes up, picks up the broom.

20:39

Will's filming. What's happening here? What's happening? And

20:41

the guy brings it to the restroom. OK.

20:44

This is getting weird. We've got a

20:46

commercial break. Yeah, that's why I said

20:49

hide your children, right? And if you

20:51

need to edit this out, but I'm not going to get

20:53

graphic, right? Yeah, you'll keep it appropriate. Yeah. Just

20:55

getting close. So Will. goes over

20:57

to the restroom. And this guy,

21:00

look, he's getting all quiet. He took

21:02

the camera to a restroom. This

21:04

is getting weird. Well, no, he just

21:06

opened the door. Look, this guy

21:08

has the bristle part of the broom,

21:10

right? Near his wedding

21:12

tackle. Near his wedding tackle. And

21:15

Will goes, what are you doing? Right.

21:17

And he was like, that must have finally

21:19

snapped him out of it. Oh, Will, you

21:21

know, he's like. You know

21:23

wake up wake up wake up.

21:25

I'm still stuck on the unpleasant

21:27

kinesthetic. I've been gauging the ends

21:29

of fibers from a broom on

21:32

the genitalia. It's like that's weird,

21:34

but what's funny is assuming I

21:36

have that we have that all

21:38

in perfect HD video, but it

21:40

is yet to be released. Yeah,

21:42

I think you should stay tuned

21:44

We're gonna pick always awaken your

21:46

subjects cleanly. Yeah sever trans cleanly.

21:48

Yeah, he may have needed an

21:50

extra little yeah it sounds like

21:52

all right it sounds like that

21:54

one it's severed so well but

21:57

does sound that way doesn't it

21:59

okay so we got any weird

22:01

stuff to add to that well

22:03

no I think he's pretty well

22:05

taking the word it's gonna become

22:07

personal right away I mean it

22:09

shows the lack of control of

22:11

the subjects which is exactly what

22:13

I expect with his skill level

22:19

That's good. All right, let's let's take

22:21

it a little bit away from the

22:23

weird stuff and the puking and all

22:25

that Yeah, let's go towards How stage

22:27

hypnosis changed your life because I think

22:29

for both of you obviously actually you

22:32

guys both have a very similar Background

22:34

in so far as you were interested

22:36

in a lot of magic stuff and

22:38

mentalism Yeah, and then that brought you

22:40

into stage hypnosis same thing. Yeah, same

22:42

thing mentalism and you've been doing magic

22:44

as a kid. And your

22:47

first show was more mentalism than hypnosis,

22:49

but still got into stage hypnosis. Yeah,

22:51

but I owned a cookie store for

22:53

a while. You did too. No,

22:55

that was me. Okay, let's

22:57

start with you on this one. So

22:59

what made you want to get

23:02

into stage hypnosis? I guess it was

23:04

employment related. You've told the story,

23:06

so we'll keep it somewhat brief, but

23:08

I want to know more about

23:10

how stage diagnosis changed your life. Oh,

23:12

mate. It was all about the

23:14

chicks, wasn't it? Women. No,

23:17

actually, how did it change my life? It became a

23:19

fun job where I made a whack of money

23:22

for doing things that were thoroughly enjoyable. When you've been

23:24

bullied as a kid and you're suddenly up in

23:26

front of an audience and feel self -esteem that you're

23:28

putting on a good show or something. And

23:30

plus, remember, my job. I was

23:32

a telephone operator. I couldn't

23:34

get a job because I failed high school.

23:40

Two bucks an hour, I think. Yeah. Yeah, literally

23:42

two bucks an hour back if I hadn't been

23:44

living with my parents, it have been decent money

23:46

at the time. always not decent money. the

23:48

exact, 1920s? Yes. The pressure now?

23:50

It's your best. The pressure now. 20s. Was it minimum

23:52

wage? Yeah, it was minimum wage. All pretty close to

23:55

it. Yeah, and you know, shift work, shift work. What

23:57

do you think the chances are of rebooting that career?

23:59

I'm thinking I'll get back into it now that I'm

24:01

retired from the stage. The first thing I think of

24:03

is directory systems. Can I help you? Yeah. How can

24:05

I direct your call? Always use camera intercept,

24:07

please. Yeah, you need area code 519 for that. Thank

24:09

you, sir. How's the weather? Oh, yeah, I'm in Toronto,

24:11

but I'll let you think I'm up in Northern Ontario.

24:13

Oh, it's wonderful up here in Sudbury, sir. It

24:16

wasn't a fun job. It's

24:18

not a fun job. still doing that. You're really well. Okay.

24:20

So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

24:22

so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so,

24:24

so, so

24:43

fun for 43 years. Awesome. And you

24:45

were completely self -taught when it came

24:47

to hypnosis at that age. That's right.

24:49

I didn't have a clue. And there

24:51

were no books, really. There were some

24:53

of them. Is that why you did

24:56

so poorly? You learn hypnosis from Walter

24:58

B. Gibson and you just dove in

25:00

and started doing this stuff. Lime's police

25:02

dived. Dived since you were 12 years

25:04

old. And then by the time you

25:06

were 21, you were on

25:08

stage doing this stuff. Lime's police was 21.

25:11

They're very interesting. I'm kidding. But

25:13

yeah. We're not editing it out. What

25:15

made the difference for me was there

25:17

were very few people doing it at

25:19

that time. There's Ravine who'd go across

25:21

the man they call Ravine. Yeah. Anyway,

25:24

um, so I made up a bunch of

25:26

stuff because I didn't know what the limits were.

25:28

So I was doing stuff like taking away

25:30

names without trances and you're not allowed to do

25:32

that. It was that kind of thing. That

25:34

was even what the stuff that Trip does. James

25:37

Trip, our friend. Yes. Hypnosis without trance and

25:39

it was, a lot of it was purely through,

25:41

I had stolen, i .e. copied, i .e. bored

25:43

from the amazing Kreskin, his induction. He

25:45

tried to pass it off as no

25:47

induction but always decrying hypnosis but in

25:49

reality he was doing progressive testing. So

25:51

he was doing Suggestibility

25:53

test suggestibility test do like four or five

25:55

in a row get heteroaction Automatically and

25:57

then start giving suggestions and it worked. Yeah,

25:59

it's a great way to do it

26:01

quickly You do get the credit though Ravine

26:04

was out doing this thing Chris comes

26:06

out to anything you turned it into the

26:08

rock star Jimmy Page Long hair Oh,

26:10

it's a chick magnet for the picture. Just

26:12

you still are. Thanks buddy, but I

26:14

want to hear that from you All right,

26:16

so how do how I move that

26:18

English You owned a cookie store.

26:20

You were doing magic. I think you've

26:23

told the story on another podcast. But when

26:25

you got the opportunity to do a

26:27

stage show, actually tell the whole story here

26:29

because I don't think you've ever told

26:31

the whole rehearsal. Yeah, yeah. You know, your

26:33

nerves and you were like, oh my

26:35

God, I don't know if I can do

26:37

this. And then it changed your life. Before

26:40

the cookie store worked for General Motors.

26:43

Yeah. Right. And I was

26:45

from a town in Catherine's. There

26:47

was three General Motors. Everybody's dad

26:49

worked for General Motors. It wasn't a big goal -oriented

26:51

person at the time. It just happened. Yeah, everybody

26:53

did. And I just thought, you do your 30

26:55

years and you're out. Yeah. And

26:57

I got the job. I'm like,

26:59

finally got the job. Awesome. I'm

27:01

very young. And within two

27:03

weeks, I'm like, no way. Is

27:06

that when you were a millwright?

27:08

I won. That was my goal.

27:10

I was just on the assembly

27:12

thing. Amazing. And

27:18

then the an opportunity came to buy

27:20

this cookie store. I had to get

27:22

out right so bought a cookie store

27:24

was running a cookie store And

27:26

place I'd go. Yeah, but remember my

27:28

great -uncle Jola Monica was it was

27:30

a hypnotist a mentalist and one of

27:33

the forefathers of balloon artistry all that

27:35

stuff Yeah, and I want to leave

27:37

that part out right now. I've never

27:39

made a balloon in my life. Yeah,

27:41

good. Yeah Yeah, yeah, I'm here forefathers

27:43

even to this day though when I

27:45

see when I see an older guy

27:47

twisting balloons, yeah, wherever Yeah, so fine.

27:49

You ever heard of Jola Monica? Of

27:51

course. Yeah, of course. He's one of

27:53

the four fathers, right? But then

27:56

it was funny. I'm at the cookie store. And

27:58

the guy who ran watch store

28:00

next door says, have you ever heard

28:02

of Mike Mandel? I hadn't.

28:04

I'm suddenly interested in the conversation. And

28:07

he says he does hypnosis. I'm

28:09

like, my great uncle. I never saw my

28:11

great uncle do hypnosis, but saw him do magic.

28:13

Sure saw those balloons, didn't you? But

28:16

he was forever pulling coins out of

28:18

our ears as kids, all that stuff. Yeah.

28:20

And I'm like. Yeah, I

28:22

want I didn't never knew about my

28:24

uncle's he in bed with the devil.

28:26

What was all this hypnosis stuff about

28:29

no idea Yeah, went to go see

28:31

Mike now. I was already making money

28:33

as a mentalist like part of time

28:35

I'm gonna fix sorry. I'm gonna put

28:37

that do it. There you go. There

28:39

you go. Sorry. I was already making

28:41

money Doing mentalism restaurant magic remember Marché

28:43

and yeah, I do our cafe. Yeah,

28:45

and I go to see

28:47

Mike's show, some club, I don't remember what it

28:49

was. We said no club, Blue Note, remember that? Gosh,

28:51

was it there? They ripped me off those bastards.

28:53

Did they? Yeah. Yeah. Sid Markowitz never paid me. I

28:55

would give it, about a five

28:57

out of ten. No, I'm joking, it was a

28:59

great show. Within

29:01

20 minutes, I'm watching this, I go, this is

29:04

what I want to do. I got to

29:06

do that. And you did not

29:08

know him, you just heard of him and

29:10

went into a show. Don't but

29:12

met met him after I had done

29:14

shows already Ottawa. Yes, that's right. That's

29:16

right. And I think I was up

29:18

for some spectacular award or something. Yeah,

29:20

I think you did this sort of

29:22

long sort of lifetime achievement or something.

29:24

Yeah, and and so but I knew

29:26

I wanted to do this All that

29:28

was available to time no internet, of

29:30

course. Yeah, little pamphlets. Yeah, all you

29:32

get pamphlets. Yeah, I put together what

29:34

I thought was a show That's

29:38

funny. I know what I thought was

29:40

right, but but I was already a

29:42

performer. So yeah, you had some advantage helped.

29:44

I had a stage. You have a

29:47

lot of skill in the magic arena.

29:49

I practiced like a maniac using hairbrush as

29:51

a microphone in my bedroom back and

29:53

forth, seeing an audience, seeing my volunteers. Imagine

29:55

if say hairbrush as a microphone, I

29:57

think like some 80s movie where, you

29:59

know, some girls dancing around, you know, lip

30:01

singing to a hairbrush. Yeah, you're thinking

30:04

of the Tom Cruise movie. Yeah. When

30:06

he was singing. What, Top Gun? No, his

30:08

first one. I don't remember which

30:10

one, but yeah. Yeah, yeah. But that's

30:12

what I'm thinking of. Yeah, okay. So,

30:16

and then I'm at the cookie store, and I used to

30:18

do lots of card tricks for customers. Guy

30:20

from Radio Shack, remember Radio Shack? Oh,

30:23

yeah. Tandy, yeah, yeah. Comes over and

30:25

says... remember I had a hypnosis

30:27

show on paper. Yeah, he says you

30:29

should do this up my college I know

30:31

the girl that books the shows speaking

30:33

of card tricks Yes, I said you know

30:35

the girl that books the shows can

30:37

you get me her number? Right and can

30:39

I set up a meeting with her?

30:42

He goes yeah, I'll contact her go tell

30:44

her I'm a hypnotist. Yeah, he goes

30:46

you're a hypnotist. Oh, yeah Yeah, never done

30:48

one. Yeah, and so I'm thinking to

30:50

myself if I go and show

30:52

her and a few of the

30:54

colleagues, some card tricks. It'll sell the

30:56

heroosis because it does. Yeah. Right. And

30:59

I bamboozle them. They're all laughing at

31:01

what I'm doing. And she just goes,

31:04

how much is the show? No, I'd

31:06

never thought it. She says she wants

31:08

30 bucks. Let's go hide. Maybe they'll

31:10

take me down to 15. No, but

31:12

I said 700, which was a mountain

31:14

of money. Sure. This is yes. This

31:16

is early 90s. And so

31:18

she books it. Right? Now I'm majorly

31:20

into practice mode. She booked it

31:23

on my birthday. So now your show

31:25

that's on paper, you're now rehearsing

31:27

with the airbrush. With the airbrush. So

31:29

why did you take the airbrush

31:31

on stage? That's the part I never

31:33

understood. So

31:35

she booked it September 29th, my birthday.

31:37

Yeah. But the show is January. Right.

31:39

Right. And so morning

31:41

of the show comes, I'm sick

31:43

as a dog. Sick as a

31:46

dog. But. I'm saying, this has

31:48

got to be nerves. So it's

31:50

emotionally, you're just nervous. I'm in the shower

31:52

thinking, I can't do this. I have to

31:54

call Jill, the girl who booked me and

31:56

say, I can't do it. But then something

31:58

inside me said, this could change your life.

32:01

Right? Yeah. So I went through it.

32:03

I was silent. Jack was

32:05

the only other person that knew I

32:07

was doing the show because he had

32:09

to run my cassette tapes. Right. He'd

32:11

run my cassette tapes and started doing

32:13

the show. 220 people are there. And

32:16

my first real test, because I never hypnotized

32:18

a person in my life. Right. But

32:20

I thought I could. And you had

32:22

modeled, I think we skipped, but we've

32:24

said on other podcasts, you had watched

32:26

a lot of different shows and learned

32:28

by watching to figure out how to

32:30

actually things. Yes, Boris, you got most

32:32

of your stuff from him, right? Yeah.

32:36

I had a matrix of multiple

32:38

shows, wrote what I could

32:40

remember on paper. And said, why would

32:42

this person do this? Why would this person do this? And

32:44

I just tried to put it all together. Getting

32:46

up on stage thinking

32:48

this could tank horribly, right?

32:51

And I get on stage and I remember

32:53

the first real test was a suggestibility

32:55

test, handclaps test, right? And I'm like,

32:57

how are you trying to open your hands? How

33:00

do they continue to lock? Go ahead and try.

33:02

And they can't open their hands. The audience is

33:04

like, what? I'm like, what? But I had to

33:06

be Mr. Cool. Wow, I see this every day.

33:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I get to I

33:11

turned a guy into Tarzan, right? Because

33:13

the movie was big at the time. Yeah.

33:16

And I trigger it. Tarzan, he

33:18

jumps up, rips open his

33:20

shirts, buttons fly everywhere. Fantastic. And

33:23

so. Theater. Long story short, 220 people

33:25

in the room, standing ovation, hadn't hypnotized

33:27

a person in my life. Now, the

33:29

fact that I was an entertainer is

33:31

what helped me. That's it. That's That's

33:33

it. Going in cold. Ooh, I did

33:36

die. That's the funny thing about it

33:38

is I think people have the impression

33:40

that hypnosis itself is a difficult thing

33:42

to do. I think that's

33:44

totally wrong. It's the theatrical entertaining

33:46

part of it that's difficult to do.

33:48

Being humorous, being able to naturally

33:50

incorporate what's going on, taking control of

33:53

the stage, having the confidence and

33:55

the presence of hypnosis itself. can be

33:57

fairly mechanical. Yeah, that's right. can

33:59

be mechanical. So much is about rapport,

34:01

so much is about confidence and

34:03

congruence. You can go on to the

34:05

interwebs. It's not hard to tell

34:07

the difference between someone who is just

34:09

like a weekend warrior. Yeah. A

34:12

dick. And somebody who doesn't know, doesn't

34:14

know how to manage an audience.

34:16

That's why he's stage at Noses University.

34:19

Plug. Yeah. We focus so much on

34:21

being an entertainer because really You're

34:23

an entertainer that just happens to use

34:25

hypnosis as your vehicle to get

34:27

that first and foremost. Yeah, absolutely It's

34:29

interesting too because I think people

34:31

when they see hypnosis show they're blown

34:33

away by it, especially was the

34:35

first one they've seen because Being in

34:37

front of an audience is probably

34:39

the last place they would want to

34:41

be so they mistake the fear

34:43

of being on stage with hypnosis being

34:45

difficult Not the same thing at

34:47

all. Yeah. Yeah, anybody can get booked

34:49

once. Yeah, yeah, that's right People

34:51

right if you get booked even Charles

34:53

Manson did one. Yeah Okay,

34:56

we're gonna change subjects yet

34:58

again. We're gonna wrap up not

35:00

too long from now, but

35:02

I think I want I want

35:04

to touch on celebrity Volunteers

35:06

because I believe both of you

35:08

have at least one example

35:10

of oh, it turns out I

35:12

hypnotize somebody who either was

35:14

or ended up being famous Let's

35:16

start with you. Well, uh,

35:18

yes, I had um I had

35:20

a gig, well added

35:22

that out. Yeah, Ottawa, Gleeb Collegiate.

35:25

And YTV was there with a youth show,

35:27

and I still remember the interviewer's name

35:29

was Zoriana Kitt, which was such an interesting

35:32

name. That's a cool name. Yeah. And

35:34

anyway, so I did my show, and YTV

35:36

videoed it, and the idea was they'd

35:38

give me some edited stuff that I could

35:40

use in promo. And I forgot about

35:42

this. Few years passed and I was

35:44

still using the same promo because you know, it's

35:46

just too freaking lazy to Well, it's couldn't be

35:48

bothered. Just I mean, I admit it though, so

35:50

it's okay And I've reached an age where there's no

35:52

consequence for that even when he gets mad at

35:54

me So the bottom line is I started using

35:56

this and it was VHS tape and I had

35:58

a chance to do a gig for Burger King

36:00

North America And it was a big hypnosis show

36:02

event paid very well more than your 30 bucks for

36:05

about 38 30 So I send him the tape

36:07

And then the day of I met the guy

36:09

and everything would do the show. And he said,

36:11

oh, he said, your tape is what really convinced

36:13

us. I said, oh, I'm glad you liked it.

36:15

He said, I couldn't believe when I saw her there.

36:17

And I couldn't believe what he said. Yeah. He

36:19

said, you don't know who was on that tape.

36:21

I said, what are you talking about? He said,

36:23

play it when you get home. So I

36:25

get home and play it. And there's this high

36:27

school girl has come up on stage with big

36:29

eighties hair and take away her name and bring

36:31

it back. And what's your name? Alanis. It was

36:33

Alanis Morissette. And it was clearly her in her.

36:36

Disco Queen days just as a high school

36:38

kid, the big smile and everything before she

36:41

was famous before she was famous And then

36:43

you ran into her in Toronto like 10

36:45

years later, and I so regret you're not

36:47

saying hey, I know I should I go

36:49

see the remembered famous or not It doesn't

36:51

matter if you have an experience like that

36:53

you're up on stage and you can't remember

36:55

your name later You go off and now

36:57

you have full memory of what happened. That's

36:59

like a mind -blowing thing. That's like. Yes a

37:01

really cool thing that happened and let's just

37:03

flip the obverse before we get to there

37:05

I'll let you into the same point right

37:07

remember when I was still seeing clients up

37:09

until I don't know seven years ago or

37:11

something like that and I used to use

37:13

the office on Danforth Avenue. Yes one female

37:15

singer Very famous and she booked an appointment

37:17

with me and I thought this cannot be

37:19

real I mean even though she's connected to

37:21

us through someone else and she showed up

37:23

for the session and I had googled her

37:25

the night before and then found her on

37:27

YouTube and watched you doing these concerts like

37:29

30 ,000 people in the audience guys trying

37:31

to climb on stage and And there

37:33

she is, lying on this reclining

37:35

couch in a trance. And I'm

37:37

just thinking, it just feels weird.

37:39

All of a sudden, I'm helping

37:41

someone that has performed for tens

37:43

and tens of thousands. And here

37:45

she is in the trance. It

37:47

was very interesting. Yeah, that's really

37:49

cool. You had a situation in

37:51

one of your college performances, right?

37:53

And it turns out that you

37:55

didn't know at the time. Oh,

37:57

this was a theater show. Yeah.

38:01

I'm not a big sports guy, so I

38:03

don't know the names, right? But I

38:05

do know Tony Dungey is a NFL coach,

38:07

very well known. If you know football,

38:09

you know Tony Dungey. I do know that

38:11

name. But there was a

38:13

pretty well -known football player on my stage. I

38:15

didn't know. And my son -in -law,

38:17

who was at the show, said, you

38:19

just hypnotized someone. So I don't even remember

38:22

the name. NFL player? Yeah, NFL player. And

38:24

he said he tweeted after the

38:26

show and said, I never thought the

38:28

hypnosis stuff was real. And I

38:31

was just hypnotized. This stuff is real.

38:33

That's awesome. You can't pay

38:35

for that. It's amazing. And like

38:37

celebrities words carry more weight, even though

38:39

how is it any different than an

38:41

ordinary. Exactly. But people listen more. Going,

38:43

oh, I was hypnotized. Turns out it

38:45

was real. Right. Oh, but you're an

38:47

NFL player. You're you're a professional singer

38:49

or whatever. So somehow carries more weight.

38:51

Right. You know, like just put on

38:53

the scope. It brings in the very

38:55

similitude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Okay,

38:57

cool. We're going to wrap up with

38:59

a couple of other things here. Let

39:01

me just drink some. Yeah, you drink

39:03

your perfectly ordinary water. I want

39:05

to talk about, let's talk

39:07

about getting into client work

39:10

because You started

39:12

with the stage and entertainment. Yeah, you started

39:14

with the stage and I mean you

39:16

stuck with the entertainment angle and never one

39:18

unless it's on television, right? You

39:21

decided to move into the therapeutic side of it

39:23

1992 -93 made that decision happen in your brain

39:25

Well, actually was a friend of mine. He'd gotten

39:27

into Tony Robbins. He was talking about you know

39:29

the the tapes you get the power personal power

39:31

and I just slagged him I said that's stupid

39:33

dismissed it and he said something that really hit

39:35

me said Mandel, he said, you tend to listen

39:37

and give somebody a chance. said, I bet you've

39:40

not even looked at this stuff and you've just

39:42

drawn this conclusion. And I said, you got me.

39:44

You're right about I'll look into it. So I

39:46

got his personal power tapes. They

39:48

started talking about Richard Bandler and John Grinder

39:50

and NLP, never dreaming that we'd bring John

39:52

Grinder to Toronto at some point to become

39:54

a friend. All this stuff. So I started

39:57

doing Robbins' stuff and got some amazing results

39:59

in my life. Found out where can I,

40:01

I have to know, where can I study

40:03

NLP in Toronto? And I studied with Chris

40:05

Dunkley and Deanna, Sega, whatever name was. Amy,

40:07

they were, they were good. did my practitioner

40:09

training, but what got interesting was you trained

40:11

in NLP with Derek Bomber who

40:13

became my mentor and the reason I took the

40:15

course the funniest days ever absolutely I took

40:17

the course though because you were doing the add

40:20

-on free Eric Sonia hypnosis training and I said

40:22

there's no way I'm gonna let you have

40:24

an Eric Sonia hypnosis certificate I'm not gonna have

40:26

one so I took it with you and

40:28

I did my master practice so it yielded naturally

40:30

into doing therapy and helping people a lot

40:32

of anxieties and phobias and eating stuff and that

40:34

came out of just adding the NLP to

40:36

it and then Derek really put it sort of

40:38

together for us. I think that was a

40:40

turning point for both of us at that point.

40:42

Did you ever help the people that you

40:44

made car sick, you know, overcome that car sickness

40:46

because, you know, 30 years later. No, Chris,

40:48

I've left him. Left him like that forever. Yeah.

40:50

Remember when you were out in that park

40:52

across from an LTE? You maybe run into your

40:54

fist, you bastard. I remember that. Some blindfold

40:56

thing you're supposed to do and I let you

40:58

walk right into shoes. Yeah, have a blindfold.

41:00

You're trying to experience the surroundings. Derek is talking

41:02

with different ranges and noticing ranges. Yeah. And

41:04

he's supposed to be looking after me. And this,

41:06

going to say this, I'm going to swear. This

41:09

deck. Do you want

41:11

me to do the deck? just stops. No, I won't

41:13

it. So he does this deck thing. I'm

41:15

trying to find my way around Queen's Park

41:17

and trying to do the exercise. And he

41:19

just stops with this big Sicilian fist, holds

41:22

it all like this. He's like six feet

41:24

away from me. And he just waits for

41:26

me to run into it. It was the

41:28

best of times. It was the worst of

41:30

times. All right. But the brilliance, if I

41:32

could say this rule. Yeah, the brilliance. No,

41:34

none of that. But with.

41:36

Stay with therapy and stage and

41:39

this is what I tell students

41:41

is and I've taught this in

41:43

the UK and it hypnotized Yeah,

41:45

but how you can scale a

41:47

therapy business by doing it right?

41:49

Why is that? Because let's say

41:52

you've got 200 people in the

41:54

audience They're riddled with issues.

41:56

How many of them probably have issues? Probably

41:59

200 of them. And the

42:01

brilliance is if you master a

42:03

stage show, they get to

42:05

watch you completely disconnected from having

42:07

to contact you. They appreciate

42:09

your skills. They appreciate your sense

42:12

of humor. And if you're

42:14

talking about it from the stage, oh, I also

42:16

do therapy work. I can do it over

42:18

Zoom. I can do it locally, whatever. And

42:20

then you make yourself available afterward. They

42:23

to talk to you. They want

42:25

to talk to you. And actually,

42:27

I'd say from the collective student

42:29

base that we share, a lot

42:31

of people who take stage hypnosis

42:33

university to learn the stage side

42:35

are also doing the Mike Mandel

42:37

Hypnosis Academy and learning the therapeutic

42:39

side. They do both. We

42:41

have quite a few clients. that do entertainment

42:43

gigs and use that to get clients and

42:46

then just separately get clients from their old

42:48

normal needs. And that works out really well.

42:50

That's awesome. There was something else in my

42:52

notes here. I want to make sure we touch that.

42:54

What's that, Chris? Oh,

42:56

I want you to tell the

42:58

story about this song, the

43:00

Godot song, Pretty Bad Boys. So

43:02

this is a Canadian band, Greg

43:05

Godovitz. Power Trio, yeah, great band.

43:07

And it was around what time did

43:09

this song get fairly Canadian famous? late

43:12

70s. Yeah, I was I was in

43:14

about grade seven when I remember that song,

43:16

right? Maybe even grade six. Yeah, somewhere

43:18

in there. It was funny. And there's a

43:20

lyric in there. Yeah, I knew this

43:23

song. Everybody knew

43:25

that song. It was a big

43:27

Canadian boy. But I never heard the

43:29

Mike Mandel reference in the song

43:31

because at one point this the lyric

43:33

of the song says, I ain't

43:35

no Mike Mandel, but I can read

43:37

your mind, right? And it

43:39

was the part of the song where I never really

43:41

understood what the lyric said, right? It's just I

43:43

don't know what he's saying there. But

43:45

then I met you in what,

43:47

95? Somewhere around there,

43:49

yeah. Yeah. And the song comes on the

43:52

radio. I'm singing along. I know the

43:54

song. And for some reason, I

43:56

ain't no Mike Vandell, but I can read

43:58

your mind was perfectly clear. And you're like, what?

44:00

I made that happen. Yeah, you did. But

44:02

I call you right away. Heather picks up the

44:04

phone and I go, I'm listening

44:06

to that old song by Godot.

44:10

pretty bad boy. And she immediately goes, oh yeah, they

44:12

talking about Mike Mandela on that song. How

44:15

could I not notice that? This is all news

44:17

to me. Am I in that song really? Yeah.

44:19

Dude, that must have freaked

44:21

you out though, because you Like,

44:24

I know that game. I wound up knowing

44:26

that song. You knew the lyrics. It was

44:28

funny. I was probably in my 40s

44:30

at the time. Now, here's what's interesting about it.

44:32

You know, A &A Records used to be on Yonge

44:34

Street, Toronto. I was in there one afternoon, and that

44:36

song was current. And I came in, I was

44:38

just looking at albums. And the kids working

44:40

there, they put that song on, and they kept looking over.

44:42

And when it said Mike Mandel, they cranked it up to

44:44

see if I had luck, so I just gave him a

44:47

song. Yeah. Signed a few autographs.

44:49

That's fantastic. to Silver Bullet. Left to Silver

44:51

Bullet. That's funny stuff, man. That

44:53

takes us right to the end of what we have

44:55

in our notes here that I wanted to cover.

44:57

Is there anything else that you want? Not a darn

44:59

thing, Chris. Before we wrap

45:01

up here. No, just it's

45:03

great because every time Mike and I hang

45:05

out, we remember the old stories and between

45:07

us, the thousands and thousands of shows we've

45:09

done together, we can't possibly remember all the

45:11

things that happened. know, you can't remember all

45:13

the meals you've eaten as well, only the

45:15

ones that caused the food poisoning. all

45:19

right. And after this,

45:21

we will go have lunch and hopefully not

45:23

get any food poisoning. I want you

45:25

to get food poisoning. I've called

45:27

you a bastard about eight times and him about

45:29

four. Just kidding. Family friendly

45:31

show. Off camera, I've probably said

45:34

a lot worse. All right, guys, so...

45:36

With that, this has been Episode

45:38

278. I don't even think I said

45:40

that before. This has been Episode

45:42

278 of the Brain Software podcast. I'm

45:45

Chris Thompson. This is Mike

45:47

Mandel. Hello. And this is the

45:49

godfather of stage hypnosis. Michael

45:51

C. Anthony from StageHypnosisUniversity .org. Gary,

45:53

I'm just kidding. We did that

45:55

in the UK as a

45:58

joke. Dot com. www

46:00

.hypnosisuniversity .com. Check it out if you

46:02

want learn. Or can also go to

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Better Than Mike .com. or you

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go to bite my one, but. And

46:08

And while we're here doing the wrap

46:10

up promos, I do want to also

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And else, do you have any free stuff if you want to promote?

46:32

No? You just. Just to

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46:36

Okay, yeah. Which is is stage hypnosisuniversity .com.

46:38

.com .org. Yeah. So all of you you

46:40

like to, well, there's nonprofit side it

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all. You certainly wouldn't want to be

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obsessed with. Or not at all. Don't

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that. All All right. Thanks

46:49

everybody. Thanks once again. And

46:52

good night. You