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Hey listeners, Jonathan Hirsch here,

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journalist and host of the

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latest series to drop on

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the binge, Scary Terry. Available

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now wherever you get your

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podcast. And if you're a

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subscriber to the binge, you

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can listen to all episodes

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ad-free today. A double suicide.

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A teenager suspiciously drowned. A

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mother and her childhood nanny

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drive off a cliff. between

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1979 and 1989, a dozen

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people died under mysterious circumstances.

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But these deaths were no

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accident. They all shared one

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chilling link. A woman by

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the name of Terry Hoffman.

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Terry was the founder of

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a religious movement called conscious

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development of body, mind, and

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soul. Terry's followers described her

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as a gentle and nurturing

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guru, but in reality, she

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kept her followers under tight

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control and saw them all

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as collateral damage on the

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path to achieving her own

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aims. as I

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waited into the mysterious world

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of Terry Hoffman, I found

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that it was darker, earier,

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and more twisted than I

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could have ever imagined. How

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did Terry lead so many

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lambs to slaughter without a

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drop of blood on her

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hands? And could she be

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the second coming of Charlie

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Manson hiding in the shadows

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of history? Join me and

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find out on Scary Terry.

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Search for Scary Terry, wherever

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you get your podcast, to

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start listening today. Here's a

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sneak peek. When I started

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looking into a string of

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mysterious deaths in Dallas, Texas,

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in the 1970s and 80s,

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I had no idea what

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kind of madness, carnage, and

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darkness I'd find there. I

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also think I'd stumble

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across another across another Charlie

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Manson. Devro had just turned

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just turned her mom, her Cleaver,

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invited her to go on

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a vacation to Hawaii. a vacation to

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Hawaii. Her mom's fiancé, would be

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there, too. would be there

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her close friend and

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mentor, and mentor, Terry. Devro's stepmother, Gail

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remembers her as a

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bright girl, as sweet

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and shy, tall. tall. Long

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beautiful curly curly blonde hair like hair

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to say she had used to say

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she had legs all the

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way to She loved animals and She

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loved animals new basketball links her new

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had a son and two Gail had a

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son and two daughters from a

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previous marriage. Brady They were this family a

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type family, a friend of hers

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told me. was excited to go was excited

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to go, but Chuck and his

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new wife Gail were worried about

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the trip. really They really didn't

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care for the people Sandra hung

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around with, with especially her friend her

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to whom she was practically attached

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to the hip. practically quality time with

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her mom was something Devereaux didn't

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get to do. very much and Chuck and

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Gail didn't want to get in the way of

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that. Devrow didn't get

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to do very much.

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And Chuck and Gail didn't

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want to get in the

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way of that. The Wailupe

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in Oahu. A

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windy peninsula southeast of Honolulu,

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it means literally literally kite account of

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the breezy of of coastline where

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they could take flight and

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nearly touch the sky. and You

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can see them today, You guiding

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surfers across the water surfers disembodied water,

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like the bright sun. souls under

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the bright sun. Hawaii was was

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an exotic wonderland for

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Devro. Far from the

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dusty horizon, the muscular cloud clusters

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miles high and the hot blanket

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of air draping of air a set

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piece in a movie. a set piece in

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a movie. Chuck and I'd and I

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had been out a a couple friend. ours that

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night. And we'd gotten home

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late and we crawled into

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bed, but it was about

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1.30 in the morning. And

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I answered the phone. There

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was a woman's voice on

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the other end, a line.

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I handed the phone over

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to Chuck, and the next

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thing I remember hearing was,

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and he sat bolt right

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up in bed and said,

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what do you mean she's

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missing? I'll never

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forget that as long as I

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live. Sandra and Devro had gone

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swimming that day after lunch. Just

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20 or so minutes from their

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hotel in Honolulu was a beach.

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More like a lagoon, actually. It

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was ankle deep for about a

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half mile out from the shore.

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An odd choice for swimming. Lin,

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Sandra's fiancé, stayed back, napping off

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one too many glasses of champagne

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after lunch. Go on, have fun,

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he told them. Suddenly,

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underneath them was a patch

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of coral reef. Tough and

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sharp, like knives and sandpaper.

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The water was deepening now,

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too. That far out, it's

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hard to gauge the size

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of a wave. That's when

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one wave came roaring past,

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knocking them off of the

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raft. Another

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wave, and she

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was gone. Sandra

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looked over and

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couldn't see her

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daughter. She'd been

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swept under by

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the current. She

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dove underneath, looking

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for her. She

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couldn't find her.

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She woke later

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on the rocky

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shoreline calling for

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help. Meanwhile, Lynn

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woke up from

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his cat nap,

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recognized was wrong.

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He alerted authorities on the

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beach who dragged Sandra back

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in. They had gathered Sandra

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up off of a coral

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reef, bleeding all over, but

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Deverell was missing. Chuck got

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out of bed and headed

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towards the airport. It

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was like an eclipse flashed

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across the sky. A dark

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pall covered their world. A

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chill shot through them that

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they would never be able

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to shake. We've lived in

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the darkness of how this

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hovered over our lives. Their

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daughter was gone. Life would

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never be the same. And

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from the moment their phone

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rang that awful night. Gail

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had a creeping suspicion that

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would soon overcrowd everything. This

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wasn't a freak accident. My

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theory is, my brain, what

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I think was supposed to

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happen. This is just me

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and my brain thinking. It's

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not a fact. I think

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they were both supposed to

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die that day. Devro

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and Sandra were collateral

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damage in a sick

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and deadly conspiracy. And

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the terrible truth is,

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I think Gail was

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right. There's shark eyes,

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those cold dark eyes.

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The most sophisticated sociopath

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I've ever observed. left

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behind a series of

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bizarre diaries and writings

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associated with Terry Hoffman

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and a group she

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founded called the conscious

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development of body mind

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and soul ink. Really

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see how evil she

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really was. There

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is no doubt doubt she killed.

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she killed items that

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those items that are

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used to control

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and combat shield against

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black lords? I'm both the

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fifth amendment. Why do you think it

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do you think

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it was so difficult

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to tie Terry

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to these deaths? no

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no smoking gun. From

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Sony Music Entertainment,

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this is this is

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Scary I'm Jonathan Hirsch.