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sure you want to start

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with him? Because he's eating

1:31

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1:33

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2:12

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2:15

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2:17

a bit of a what if.

2:19

And my guy is the Super

2:21

Fly Jimmy Snooka. Jimmy was a

2:23

main draw in every place that

2:25

he went to. never held a

2:27

world championship. Now, if we do

2:29

the what if, what if he

2:31

was the guy that went to

2:33

the top of the cage and

2:35

splashed Bob Backman and won the

2:37

world title? Before Hulkmania, Jimmy Super

2:39

Fly Snooka is the top guy

2:41

in the business. And now if

2:43

he is the top guy, the

2:45

flag bearer for the WWF, he

2:47

was turning baby face already. Turns

2:49

Babyface has this amazing run where

2:51

the business is already on top,

2:53

then loses to the Iron Sheek,

2:55

and then here comes Hulkomania. He

2:57

could also have turned on Hulk

3:00

Hogan to have these amazing historic

3:02

matches, but my pick, because you

3:04

think about it, he influenced so

3:06

many and such an iconic moment.

3:08

We understand why they didn't, you

3:10

know, they wanted to, but they

3:12

didn't pull the trigger. on Jimmy

3:14

just because like hey if he

3:16

wasn't having a good day he

3:18

wouldn't show up but for me

3:20

it would be Jimmy Snooker because

3:22

he was the biggest draw before

3:24

the expansion of the W. E.

3:26

And, you know, before the territory

3:28

started dying off, he went to

3:30

every territory. He would pop every

3:32

territory. And even if you think

3:34

about it, when he left the

3:36

W. E. And he came back,

3:38

he still was such a big

3:40

star and he was and I

3:43

know Dave this upset you, but

3:45

he was really kind of almost

3:47

bored. line enhancement talent for you

3:49

know talent just come in there

3:51

have a match and lose I

3:53

feel that was kind of punishment

3:55

but I even think back then

3:57

you could have also because I

3:59

think he was in a different

4:01

place in his life done a

4:03

lot more with Jimmy Snooker and

4:05

yes he's a Hall of Famer

4:07

but he never held that title

4:09

and to me he was bigger

4:11

than that title and think of

4:13

the revenue you could have drawn

4:15

and the houses. with Jimmy Snooker

4:17

first as your heel champion beating

4:19

Bob back and then just going

4:21

full blown baby face you literally

4:23

could done everything that you did

4:26

the race Stevens thing all that

4:28

stuff and just had amazing houses

4:30

with Jimmy Snook on top. Can

4:32

I can I hit you with

4:34

something like there I look at

4:36

it pretty much that's that's a

4:38

good take in it's not my

4:40

guy but it's right there number

4:42

three was on my list on

4:44

my list But would you have

4:46

done anything different, Tommy? I mean,

4:48

you put the title on him

4:50

and he has a bad day

4:52

and it just happens to be

4:54

summer slam, a survivor series, or

4:56

you know, in your house, you

4:58

know, one of the major paper

5:00

views at that time. Like, you

5:02

just can't do it. I didn't

5:04

blame the W.F. for not doing

5:06

it because if I owned the

5:09

company and I had a guy

5:11

that was over. I mean Tony

5:13

Atlas. Tony Atlas was over as

5:15

hell. He should have been one

5:17

of the guys. He's in my

5:19

top five. He was in my

5:21

top five too. But you couldn't

5:23

give it to Tony and Jimmy

5:25

because they would no show or

5:27

they would try to stick the

5:29

promoter up. So well the business

5:31

was different and here's the other

5:33

reason if you think about it.

5:35

Literally if you didn't like what

5:37

you could do were like there.

5:39

Oh screw it I'll go here

5:41

I'll go there. Think of Bob,

5:43

if Bully was wrestling during that

5:45

time, he'd be wrestling everywhere. He'd

5:47

be the top guy everywhere. I

5:49

don't like what I'm doing. I'm

5:52

out. Yeah. Top real, I'm gone.

5:54

You don't want to do it?

5:56

Fine, somebody will. Go fuck yes,

5:58

I'm out. Minutelantic hearing, Crockett, where

6:00

are you? But listen, he did

6:02

help hold every regional title. And

6:04

this is, you know, I don't

6:06

know the difference between working for

6:08

Vince senior than working for Vince.

6:10

And that whole run that he

6:12

first had. was working for Vince

6:14

Senior and then once Vince came

6:16

around I get that hey you

6:18

know but I mean dude did

6:20

you ever think you'd see Eric

6:22

Bischoff in W.V. Vince if some

6:24

town would have listened be like

6:26

hey man you're gonna be set

6:28

for the rest of your life

6:30

and I know it's different times

6:32

but maybe the some of those

6:35

things wouldn't happen that's why I

6:37

gave it a big what if

6:39

but I don't know if I'm

6:41

Vince McMahon senior which a lot

6:43

of older wrestlers had a different

6:45

relationship with him. If he would

6:47

have said listen Jimmy I wanted

6:49

and maybe he would have done

6:51

it. You know, just that he

6:53

was my guy and yes, I'm

6:55

just talking about from a fans

6:57

point of view or business wise,

6:59

I, I mean, you, you'll also

7:01

know the story because he's told

7:03

it Tony Atlas was hired to

7:05

be, oh no, he was hired

7:07

to be the junk air dog's

7:09

babysitter. But you literally, Tim White

7:11

was Sean Michael's babysitter. You tell

7:13

somebody. Hey, you're going to be

7:15

the babysitter of this guy, you're

7:18

going to have a job, you're

7:20

going to make a lot of

7:22

money, blah, blah, blah. I think

7:24

he might have gone for it.

7:26

My opinion. I mean, that's a

7:28

good thing. I like Tom, listen,

7:30

I grew up in the Snooka

7:32

era too, and if I had

7:34

to say who was my favorite

7:36

wrestler back then, it would have

7:38

been Jimmy Snooka, but. The word

7:40

that I heard attached to Jimmy

7:42

Snooker back in the day was

7:44

unreliable and as a promoter as

7:46

an owner if you have a

7:48

talent no matter how over he

7:50

is especially as over as Snooker

7:52

was if he's unreliable you will

7:54

always be walking on eggshells and

7:56

there's a couple of infamous stories

7:58

where he showed up and just

8:00

decided to go home that night

8:03

with access. Not today brother, not

8:05

today. Atlas is another great one.

8:07

I grew up, you know, on

8:09

Tony Atlas, Tony Atlas and Rocky

8:11

Johnson. But Tony was a bit

8:13

of a loose tan and at

8:15

times. I mean, Tony has told

8:17

me himself. I remember being on

8:19

a flight from Newark, New Jersey

8:21

to Bangor Main. And me and

8:23

Tony sitting right next to each

8:25

other and him telling me all

8:27

the stories. And they basically paid

8:29

him. $2,500 to sit in his

8:31

hotel room during WrestleMania 1 because

8:33

they didn't want Tony to disrupt

8:35

anything because Tony was in a

8:37

bad mood back then. So imagine

8:39

paying a guy. to stay in

8:41

the hotel during what was to

8:43

become the biggest wrestling event of

8:46

the year. So I understand both

8:48

of your picks because both of

8:50

your picks were favorites of mine

8:52

as a kid, but now as

8:54

grown-ups in the business knowing what

8:56

we're knowing I could understand how

8:58

promoters would be very very nervous

9:00

about making either one of those

9:02

guys their top guys. And and

9:04

as you said in 1983 there

9:06

was no wrestler more popular than

9:08

Jimmy supervised nooka. Mark, I know

9:10

you have that list and he

9:12

said Jimmy was one of your.

9:14

But who is the wrestler that's

9:16

on the top of your list?

9:18

Man, the number one guy is

9:20

Ted DiBi. As a little kid

9:22

watching Mid-South wrestling and watching him

9:24

and JYD and him and Jake

9:26

Roberts, like, I will watch Mid-South

9:29

over WWW-W-W-F at that time because

9:31

I just thought, you know, Bruno

9:33

and San Martino, he was one

9:35

of those guys held the title

9:37

for like three or four years.

9:39

I knew he was going to

9:41

win. But with Mid-South,

9:43

you didn't know who was

9:45

going to win at the

9:47

paper views, or well, at

9:50

the big shows back then,

9:52

because there was no paper

9:54

view system. But you didn't

9:56

know who was going to

9:58

win. And it was a

10:01

real 100% shoot who was

10:03

the most over who drew

10:05

the most money and during

10:07

that time everybody that was

10:10

anybody Ted DiBi was the

10:12

major hill because he he

10:14

was Randy Orton at that

10:16

time he could he if

10:18

you wanted to turn Ted

10:21

DiBi baby phase can you

10:23

imagine how great he would

10:25

have been as a baby

10:27

phase? He was an amazing

10:29

baby face dude. He you

10:32

know I didn't see him

10:34

that much as baby face

10:36

because I grew up watching

10:38

miss out right but man

10:40

I look at Ted DiBi

10:43

even now even now he's

10:45

was 70 70 year old

10:47

man. He comes on the

10:49

screen and he starts talking

10:51

and you do this. He's

10:54

got that animal magnetism. And

10:56

when he was young bully,

10:58

I remember he closed line

11:00

JYD over the top. No,

11:03

he didn't. He threw him

11:05

through the ropes to the

11:07

floor. And he took both

11:09

hands and planched from the

11:11

ring to the floor on

11:14

top of JYD with the

11:16

double ax handle. Bang. Oh,

11:18

I still don't see nobody

11:20

do that today. Hmm. Today.

11:23

We're the most athletic business in

11:25

the world. Tell me when you

11:28

saw somebody do it. I'll wait.

11:30

So you say, so you're saying

11:32

like, instead of a traditional house

11:35

show dive where you go up

11:37

and over the top rope and

11:39

then kind of high cross body,

11:42

the guy, he was going up

11:44

and over the top and coming

11:46

down with a double ax handle

11:49

and landing on his feet. Nice.

11:51

Ted DiBi was a monster amongst

11:53

normal wrestlers. And for him not

11:56

to be Rick Flair, it just

11:58

puzzles the shit out of me.

12:00

Did he... Was he like, was

12:03

he like Jake Roberts? Was he

12:05

like Tony Atlas? Was he like

12:07

Snooker during that time where they

12:10

looked at him as a great

12:12

worker? They looked at him as

12:14

a smooth guy, a transitional guy

12:17

that could work with any talent

12:19

from a midget to the giant

12:21

to everybody in between. Did they

12:24

look at him like that so

12:26

much that he never got to

12:28

be a Seth Rollins? I don't

12:31

what the what what happened? Well,

12:33

I want if I ever if

12:35

I ever had Vincent Mann on

12:38

on the show My number one

12:40

question of all questions would be

12:42

why was Ted DiBi not like

12:45

a super champion? Because he was

12:47

a heel for Vince. I would

12:49

answer that and I said I

12:52

would say if I'm Vincent man

12:54

because I had Holcogan And

12:56

if you look at the business, and

12:58

dude, I'm in a total agreeance with

13:01

you. And I've said this like, I've

13:03

watched Ted DiBi since literally like when

13:05

he started in the WWF when he

13:07

was a baby face and he, you

13:09

know, he was the North American champion.

13:11

And then he left and then you

13:13

watched his rise in Georgia. He was

13:16

a top guy as a top baby

13:18

face. and then as a top heel

13:20

and even in mid-south when he first

13:22

came in as a baby face and

13:24

then he turned again on the junkyard

13:26

dog got the rat pack go and

13:28

he had the loaded glove but then

13:31

if you remember it's one of the

13:33

greatest angles ever when he got brain

13:35

bustered on the floor by Dick Murdoch

13:37

and he was the number one heel

13:39

facing Rick Flair and this amazing bleeding

13:41

his guts out and then literally turned

13:43

in his match turned to a top

13:45

baby face but then he went on

13:48

to go to the W.W.E. I would

13:50

say back then maybe promoters because he's

13:52

also as you all know he's one

13:54

of those guys too that is so

13:56

deceptively big but on television look like

13:58

he had a great on TV didn't

14:01

come across that he had a good

14:03

body, but he was one of the

14:05

best workers of all time. And I

14:07

also just think 60. Yeah, and

14:09

I just think for Holkogan, like

14:11

if I'm Vince McMahon, I had

14:13

Holkogan, I didn't need anybody else

14:15

and everyone was there just to

14:17

put over Hogan. Tommy, do you

14:20

think that they gave him the

14:22

million dollar title as a substitute

14:24

to keep him there? probably not

14:26

have to worry about the world

14:29

title probably and it got it

14:31

garnered so much heat that it's a

14:33

great observation a hundred

14:35

percent great talent and also like

14:37

this also goes back to where

14:40

we're talking about Jimmy Snooka if

14:42

you didn't like your creative or

14:44

where they were headed you could leave think

14:47

of that hey I don't like what

14:49

you guys doing I'm gonna go make the

14:51

same amount of money for someone

14:53

else I remember talking to Rick

14:56

and Scott Steiner where they were like, they

14:58

had a disagreement in Poughkeepsie with Vince,

15:00

and they were like, you promises this,

15:02

this, this, and they literally, we went

15:04

back to W.C.W. two weeks later and

15:06

we were making more money. So like,

15:08

and we're talking about crazy wrestlers.

15:11

I want to say something about DiBi

15:13

real quick Dave, when you think of

15:15

Vince McMahon's creations, ideas that came out

15:17

of Vince, that were born in Vince's

15:20

brain and came out of Vince's mouth,

15:22

the number one person I think of

15:24

is the undertaker. Yep. But

15:26

I also think about DiBi right

15:28

behind that because Vince was living

15:31

vicariously through DiBi. DiBi was almost

15:33

Mr. McMahon before Mr. McMahon. DiBi

15:35

was almost like the gimmicky version

15:37

of Mr. McMahon. So I think

15:39

I think that DiBi could probably

15:42

be the best heel that Vince

15:44

has ever created. He got to

15:46

remember, Vince did not create Hulk

15:48

Hogan. He did not create Stone

15:51

Cold Steve Austin. He did not

15:53

create the rock. Steve evolved into

15:55

Steve. Rocky evolved into Rocky. Hulk was

15:57

Hulk before he. got there but Vinsky.

15:59

the bigger platform. Vince invented the

16:02

undertaker who wound up becoming one

16:04

of the biggest baby faces ever

16:06

in the history of W.W.E. and

16:08

he invented Ted DiBi. So I

16:11

think Ted was probably bit by

16:13

the fact that the W.W.E. was

16:15

never a baby, was never a

16:18

heel world champion territory. You could

16:20

be an interim heel world champion,

16:22

but they never really banked on

16:25

a heel world champion. That's just

16:27

the way I look at it.

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I think Vince McMahon would probably

18:32

prefer that character over that champion

18:34

and be able to create that

18:36

Ted DiBi million dollar man character

18:38

probably meant more to him than

18:40

him holding a championship title. All

18:42

right, for me, because some of

18:44

the things that you guys have

18:46

been talking about, reliability, a great

18:49

worker, being a baby face when

18:51

the championship is held by a

18:53

heel. to me, somebody who was

18:55

rookie of the year in 1982,

18:57

and my pick is Brad Armstrong,

18:59

as unsung heroes appropriately. Because all

19:01

you hear is how great a

19:03

worker he was, how reliable he

19:05

was, and he was a baby

19:07

face at the time when there

19:09

was a heel world champion, and

19:11

Brad Armstrong from where he started

19:13

to how he just became kind

19:15

of like that good hand bully

19:18

as you would describe. That kind

19:20

of describes Brad Armstrong, and I

19:22

thought... especially in the early the

19:24

mid 80s, that this guy was

19:26

going to be a world champion

19:28

at some point and just never

19:30

held a world championship. So my

19:32

pick is Brad Armstrong. That's a

19:34

good one, man, because I've heard

19:36

the stories. And if anybody that

19:38

knows Arn Anderson, for more than

19:40

five minutes. He said the most

19:42

natural guy that he was ever

19:45

around including being around Rick and

19:47

Tully and all those guys was

19:49

Brad Armstrong. He said Brad didn't

19:51

have to see you. He didn't

19:53

have to talk to you. He

19:55

could look across the ring at

19:57

you and go 20 minutes with

19:59

you and kill it. Just kill

20:01

the crowd. Just blow him. You

20:03

didn't want to follow him. That's

20:05

what Arn said. He's like, if

20:07

you follow Brad, you had to

20:09

go have a WrestleMania match. You

20:12

know how told letters you got

20:14

to be. They have Arn Anderson

20:16

say, this dude was more natural

20:18

than Rick Flair. Come on. Why

20:20

was he not? Why was he

20:22

not? Why was he not? Why

20:24

was he not? Why was he

20:26

not? Why was he not? I

20:28

agree and I think he should

20:30

have been a guy too to

20:32

have like a run like a

20:34

carry-on Eric or a Tommy Rich

20:36

where he won the title which

20:39

would elevate him and continue on

20:41

that path because for then he

20:43

was the prototypical baby face of

20:45

the 80s. So Dave you brought

20:47

up Brad Armstrong I'm obviously from

20:49

the great Armstrong family. I will

20:51

ask you this though. Do you

20:53

believe that Brad had bullet Bob's

20:55

fire? or Roaddog's charisma? I think

20:57

he had a little bit of

20:59

both. Like, did he have it

21:01

to the extent of them? No.

21:03

But he had just enough where...

21:06

I thought he was Ricky Morton

21:08

Esk, where when he was down

21:10

and he was out in the

21:12

ring, he had the crowd at

21:14

the palm of his hand, and

21:16

did he make that big baby-faced

21:18

comeback? He just was never, he

21:20

just never had that opportunity. He

21:22

did a little bit in 83

21:24

and a tiny bit in 84.

21:26

And then after that, for the

21:28

rest of his career, he was

21:30

just that other guy. I, I

21:33

agree with Tommy, if he was

21:35

given like a short title reign,

21:37

like a Tommy Rich or a

21:39

Kerry Von Eric, it would have

21:41

catapulted him to superstar him, just

21:43

never happened. Now, Bully, since we

21:45

haven't gotten to you yet, unsung

21:47

hero of pro wrestling. So quick

21:49

little backstory for our fans listening

21:51

right now every week when we

21:53

discuss This podcast we have a

21:55

group text a group chat of

21:57

what we want to you know

22:00

talk about so I was doing

22:02

cardio. You got five seconds to

22:04

land. You're in fun of me.

22:06

Five. One. Oh, shit. Oh, man.

22:08

I got that. I got that

22:10

twinky on a, velvet put a

22:12

twinky on a stick and said,

22:14

come find me. Five okay,

22:16

so I was doing cardio at

22:19

the gym and I got the

22:21

text and it was about unsung

22:23

heroes of pro wrestling And I

22:25

think it might have even said

22:28

who never held a major championship

22:30

or something like that and it

22:32

took me exactly One second to

22:34

know who I was going to

22:36

talk about the answer came to

22:39

me immediately It's like when Jericho

22:41

was talking to Austin about how

22:43

the wrestling gods just give you

22:45

the right match or give you

22:48

the right promo or give you

22:50

the right answer. We all get

22:52

a guess Sure, yeah, that's Mark.

22:54

Raddy Piper. Nope. Tommy? I guess.

22:56

Are you gonna guess, Tommy? I

22:59

don't wanna say, but I'll, I'll

23:01

text it. And then I'm gonna

23:03

do a Kreskin when he reveals

23:05

it. Hang on. Okay, Dave? Okay,

23:08

so Dave, while he's texting, you

23:10

give your answer. I'll just throw

23:12

Wauhu McDaniel. No. Absolutely not. So

23:14

as we're waiting on Dreamer's text,

23:17

come on. Take, get, no, go,

23:19

those fat fingers, do a, I'm

23:21

just gonna do a Kreskin. I'll

23:23

put my phone down. So here's

23:25

the, here's the answer that immediately

23:28

popped into my head, unsung hero

23:30

of the pro wrestling business. Tommy

23:32

Dreamer. What? Was that your answer?

23:34

Tommy? And the answer is yourself?

23:37

Yep. It's like put yourself. You

23:39

guessed yourself. Power rankings power rankings.

23:41

You're an egomaniac. You're an egomaniac.

23:43

That's worse than putting yourself down.

23:45

No. Not going up. Got up

23:48

and let me get a spotlight.

23:50

I've never won anything. How he

23:52

was building it up. We shared

23:54

the same fat brain. I just

23:57

saw and he was going to

23:59

say it. I just knew it.

24:01

I mean I'd have to say

24:03

these bullets, bullets are right. I

24:06

didn't consider you. I considered you

24:08

be a champion of wrestling all

24:10

these years, but you, you weren't

24:12

the main champion. And I didn't

24:14

never, why did you not cross

24:17

my mind? I had to readjust

24:19

my list. Because you've laid on

24:21

top of me about 35 to

24:23

100 times, damn it. Stop. Let

24:26

Baba put me over for once.

24:28

This is on record. It immediately

24:30

came to me, a dreamer, because

24:32

when we talk about the greatest

24:34

baby faces or the best sellers

24:37

in wrestling, we always talk about

24:39

Ricky Morton and Ricky Steamboat and

24:41

Sean Michaels. I don't know about

24:43

you guys, but I've never seen

24:46

fans in the front row actually

24:48

lean over the front row to

24:50

pick Ricky Morton up. I witnessed

24:52

with my own eyes in various

24:55

different promotions at various different times.

24:57

Fans reaching over the guardrail to

24:59

help Tommy get to his feet,

25:01

selling to the level of a

25:03

believability where fans felt like they

25:06

had to be Tommy's family members

25:08

right then in there and lift

25:10

him up. More blood, sweat and

25:12

tears than just about anybody that

25:15

there is. The way he put

25:17

his body on the line. Go

25:19

head, Mark, go head. Listen, man,

25:21

you're right. I can't, I'm sitting

25:23

here fucking tripping because I wrestled

25:26

Tommy as the mean is doing

25:28

in the business and I pulled

25:30

Tommy to the corner and I

25:32

was gonna vate a splashing and

25:35

I got up to the top,

25:37

bang! I got a coat can

25:39

through and hitting the throat and

25:41

the chest. When you are able

25:44

to get the crowd to lose

25:46

their to risk getting thrown out

25:48

of there. arena or going to

25:50

jail, you're different. And it was

25:52

so easy time. We talk about

25:55

all the times we wrestled. Like,

25:57

it was the easiest match I

25:59

ever had. Tommy Dreamer and Jamie

26:01

Noble. The two easiest guys that

26:04

ever got to wrestle. I could

26:06

act like I was gonna hit

26:08

him in the crowd with Boo.

26:10

Tommy, I'm sorry for not putting

26:12

your number one on my list.

26:15

It's okay. I don't know. He's

26:17

actually having a lot more fun

26:19

listening to me put him over

26:21

because this is like Haley's comment.

26:24

It happens once every 76 years.

26:26

Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. And

26:28

just and just I mean, obviously

26:30

in ECW, listen, here's a little

26:33

known fact about Tommy. Tommy couldn't

26:35

get over an ECW. Tommy had

26:37

to kill himself for the people

26:39

to get over. He was almost

26:41

too pretty too smooth, too white

26:44

meat of a baby face for

26:46

ECW. And the ECW crowd didn't

26:48

really like that. So Tommy started

26:50

killing himself for that crowd and

26:53

they pumped the brakes and hit

26:55

reverse and they're like, this guy

26:57

has done it all for us.

26:59

He sold with his face up.

27:01

He showed the pain, the anguish,

27:04

the struggle that he was going

27:06

through and fans felt that same

27:08

pain anguish and struggle. Here's the

27:10

thing, and I learned this firsthand

27:13

about Tommy. For some reason, much

27:15

like you said Dave about Armstrong,

27:17

or Mark, you were talking about

27:19

DiBi, you just didn't get it.

27:22

I got it after a while,

27:24

because Vince McMahon actually told me

27:26

to my face, and I was

27:28

floored when I heard this, and

27:30

Tommy doesn't even know this story,

27:33

but I'll tell it. because I

27:35

disagreed with Vince and I told

27:37

him I disagreed with him to

27:39

his face. The night in Philadelphia,

27:42

Monday night raw when the Dudley's

27:44

had come back to W.W.E. We

27:46

did the Dudley's Dreamer and Rhino

27:48

versus all of the Wyatt family.

27:50

Three segments on roar, Philadelphia. a

27:53

street fight, tore the house down,

27:55

blew the roof all the place,

27:57

yada yada. Well, before we had

27:59

that match that night, I knew

28:02

after that match, Meam really had

28:04

nothing left to do with the

28:06

Wyatt's, or we had been baby

28:08

faces now for six months, we

28:11

gotta do something different. I went

28:13

into Vince, I said, Vince, listen,

28:15

perfect opportunity tonight for us to

28:17

lose, but have Tommy lose the

28:19

match for us. And if Tommy

28:22

loses the way I know Tommy

28:24

can lose, when we eventually get

28:26

Tommy to his feet to his

28:28

feet. Those 20,000 people in Philly

28:31

are going to give us a

28:33

standing ovation because of the love

28:35

that they have for Tommy and

28:37

the ECW connection. I said, and

28:39

just when the people are up

28:42

on their feet, bang, we're going

28:44

to 3D Tommy right in the

28:46

middle and we will instantly turn

28:48

and you'll have a baby-faced Dudley

28:51

to run with whatever baby-faced teams

28:53

you want to run with like

28:55

the usosos or whoever we were

28:57

doing business with. And Vince looks

29:00

at me and he goes. Tommy

29:02

and I go yeah, he goes

29:04

Do you really think they're gonna

29:06

believe in Tommy that much I

29:08

go Vince? It's Tommy He goes

29:11

I get it Philly, but what

29:13

about the rest of the world

29:15

I go Vince? He's one of

29:17

the most over baby faces that

29:20

you might not realize is there

29:22

and I could not convince him

29:24

and I walked out of the

29:26

room and I yelled And

29:29

I looked back at him. And

29:31

I was so mad that I

29:33

could not change his mind and

29:36

close that deal, because I believed

29:38

in Tommy so much. And I

29:40

knew that Tommy turning would put

29:42

extra steam on him. I mean,

29:45

Tommy, us turning on Tommy, would

29:47

put extra steam on Tommy as

29:49

a baby face. And Vince would

29:51

have had another great midcard face

29:54

for all of his heels. And

29:56

we would have turned heel, and

29:58

we would have had something to

30:01

do more with the usosos. And

30:03

that is my first-hand account of

30:05

how I believed in... somebody, but

30:07

maybe a promoter didn't. And Paul

30:10

Hayman was smart enough to know

30:12

that Tommy never needed a championship.

30:14

That's how over Tommy was. Wow,

30:16

and that's it. I'm done. I'm

30:19

done. I'm done. I'm done. You

30:21

were angry. I'm going to cry.

30:23

Boy, listen, man, like, that is

30:25

beautiful. And we joke around of

30:28

the tough guys and all that

30:30

shit. But the pay tribute and

30:32

the give homage to your fellow

30:35

combatant is the ultimate victory. It's

30:37

not the title. It's the affection

30:39

and the admiration from the locker

30:41

room. When you come down the

30:44

hallways and the boys go. Yeah,

30:46

man. Yeah, man. I see you

30:48

like that was better than fucking

30:50

winning the title to me. And

30:53

everybody that I know. Tommy, listen,

30:55

I'm sitting here tripping like right

30:57

now. I'm like really tripping because

31:00

I remember how great it was

31:02

to work with you. This has

31:04

zero to do with friendship. You

31:06

know that when I know when

31:09

we're talking about wrestling it is

31:11

strictly business to me friendship never

31:13

gets in the way Personal relationships.

31:15

I could give a flying rat's

31:18

ass about personal relationships. It is

31:20

business Tommy is one of the

31:22

greatest baby faces in the history

31:24

of the business who is an

31:27

unsung hero of professional wrestling and

31:29

hasn't been given his due Wow

31:31

Well, I'm changing my, I'm changing

31:34

my pick. I know Mark is

31:36

changing his. I'm changing mine. So

31:38

Tommy Teamer is definitely the own

31:40

son hero of pro wrestling guys.

31:43

Thank you so much. Guys, look

31:45

on, look on your video screen.

31:47

If you look closely, he's about

31:49

to cry. Why? I mean, I've

31:52

known this for years. I thank

31:54

you guys. It does mean a

31:56

lot. But I got And I

31:58

got it, I've also had conversations

32:01

with Vince where he was like,

32:03

I don't know what somebody else

32:05

thinks of you. And we have

32:08

all been at that point where

32:10

someone doesn't think a lot of

32:12

you, but then it just needs

32:14

somebody to be in your corner

32:17

or somebody to think Vince Paul

32:19

Hayman saw more than me than

32:21

Vince. And I got it. I've

32:23

also had conversations with Vince where

32:26

he was like, I don't know

32:28

what to do with you. I

32:30

don't know why people like you

32:33

like you. But it's okay. And

32:35

there you have it. That just

32:37

brings complete vindication to my, validity

32:39

to my story. Well, thank you.

32:42

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