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Hello, call it crude. Camilla

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and I are devastated by

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the fires and are heartbroken

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by the tragedy and the

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loss that Southern California is

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currently experiencing. This episode was

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recorded before the fires here

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in Los Angeles and we

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will be dedicating a future

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episode to talk all about it.

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Call it what it is with

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Jessica Capshaw and Camille Lettington and

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3:02

hello, hello, hello, hello.

3:05

And welcome to another

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episode of Call It What

3:09

It Is. You might have

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noticed that I said hello,

3:14

hello, hello, hello, and welcome

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to another episode of Call

3:19

It What It Is. Because today,

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I am missing one half

3:23

of my heart, the peanut

3:26

butter to my jelly, the lemon

3:28

to my lime, the... Camilla

3:30

Lettington. She would love that

3:32

I said that and then

3:34

she'd probably toss me a

3:36

fake insult. But anyways, today

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it is just me, or

3:41

rather you get all of

3:43

me, on a very special

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episode with the one and

3:47

only Brooke Shields. Brooke Shields

3:49

is, honestly, I don't know

3:51

that you could relegate one

3:53

job title to Brooke Shields.

3:55

She's got lots. I feel

3:57

like I first came to

3:59

know her. printed image is her

4:01

in those sweet ass tight Calvin

4:03

Klein jeans on some giant billboard

4:05

somewhere with her hair blowing in

4:07

the wind and that gorgeous face

4:09

and those shiny eyes and that

4:11

bold brow and just all of

4:14

it was extra extra extra. Fantastic.

4:16

I feel like I first saw

4:18

her. And then I remember being

4:20

new to the business and looking

4:22

up to her and seeing her

4:24

around town and she was always

4:26

so kind and lovely. And then

4:28

I've continued to run into her

4:30

and have marveled and watched her

4:32

weave her way through many, many

4:34

different... jobs. She most recently can

4:36

be seen on and around town.

4:38

By the way, in a bikini,

4:40

flanked by her two gorgeous daughters,

4:42

who are now in college and

4:44

after, she has started an inspirational

4:46

community for women called Beginning is

4:48

Now, that is transitioning into commence,

4:50

and basically just on the forefront

4:52

of all the things that I

4:54

find myself wanting to talk about

4:56

as well. So please, welcome Brooke

4:58

Shields. Well, first of all, I'm

5:00

so bummed because my partner in

5:02

crime, Camilla, got like a, like,

5:04

she's a real doctor or something,

5:06

got called into work at Gray's

5:08

Anatomy, so she's not here with

5:10

us today. And then I said,

5:12

well, I gotta say, since I,

5:15

since I know, Brooke, it's really

5:17

her loss. And there's just more

5:19

of you for me to have.

5:21

We can handle this, we can

5:23

totally handle it. We can talk

5:25

and talk. Well, I was going

5:27

to start with no matter who

5:29

was on who was on. I

5:31

have a very, for some reason,

5:33

there's like these memories of certain

5:35

people that just get crystallized and

5:37

cemented in my brain. And I

5:39

have this memory of, I don't

5:41

know, I mean, being sort of

5:43

feeling still new and certainly not

5:45

established on any level and going

5:47

to one of those parties in

5:49

Beverly Hill. at the new Prada

5:51

store, where, you know, we'd all

5:53

dressed up and we'd been sent

5:55

clothes and while it seems like

5:57

it's glamorous, there's something super insecure

5:59

about it. You're like, am I

6:01

wearing the right thing? Does this

6:03

even look good? Who am I?

6:05

existential crises happen on the way

6:07

there, all of it. But I

6:09

remember getting there, and there's so

6:11

many people there, and it was

6:13

a really fabulous party. And I

6:16

came around a corner and I

6:18

saw you and you were definitely

6:20

in the middle of doing something

6:22

important, right? Like you were, there

6:24

was photos being taken or whatever,

6:26

but you turned around and when

6:28

your eyes met mine you just

6:30

smiled and it was just like

6:32

the warmest ray of light and

6:34

it was like an eyeball hug.

6:36

It was like, and I don't

6:38

know, I don't know how to

6:40

like, I'm clearly making a mountain

6:42

out of this, but for whatever

6:44

reason, that eyeball hug meant some

6:46

sort of confirmation of belonging for

6:48

me at this party. Well, I

6:50

think, you know, I do remember

6:52

that. And it's so funny. You

6:54

say I was in the middle

6:56

of doing something important, like getting

6:58

my picture taken, which is very

7:00

important. Oh, I shouldn't have picked

7:02

this dress. This is a stupid

7:04

dress to pick. This is so

7:06

not like chic. It's just too

7:08

like colorful and patterny, but that

7:10

was the theme because they projected

7:12

all the patterns on the wall.

7:14

It was like the larger than

7:17

life thing. And, you know, I

7:19

also am so honestly a fan

7:21

of people that I'm a fan

7:23

of. that I watch. Like, I'm

7:25

a person who if you come

7:27

into my living room in any

7:29

capacity, I too feel like I

7:31

know you and I know you

7:33

and I take it all very

7:35

personally and like people do. And

7:37

I remember, you know, just going

7:39

like, oh, okay, she's here like,

7:41

okay, this is really cool and

7:43

I don't really really know her

7:45

but but Okay, she looked beautiful

7:47

and I'm here and why not

7:49

just like have fun with it?

7:51

Like it just, I think it

7:53

just normalized it all in a

7:55

moment because we did make eye

7:57

contact. And normally when you go

7:59

into those places, people are like

8:01

this. Yeah, yeah, and they're checking

8:03

out somebody else and nobody's looking

8:05

at like if they shake your

8:07

hand, they're like looking at who's

8:09

more famous over there and yeah.

8:11

you know, and it's like a

8:13

shell. It is, but you know

8:15

what, you bring up something that

8:18

I think is actually, I just

8:20

think you're in such a unique

8:22

position of, I'm gonna even, I'm

8:24

gonna use the W word, I

8:26

feel like you're gonna have some

8:28

wisdom on this, which is, we

8:30

talk a lot because we have

8:32

people write in and call in

8:34

and we sort of, we're like,

8:36

you know, we think we can

8:38

give everyone, you know, we think

8:40

we at least have some kind

8:42

of answer, self-doubt. And so you

8:44

brought up like, oh, the first

8:46

thing that came to mind, like

8:48

top of mine was like, my

8:50

dress is stupid, right? Like I'm

8:52

not wearing the right thing. And

8:54

it's funny because we just heard

8:56

Dimmy Moore talk about this in

8:58

her acceptance speech the other night

9:00

in the Golden Gomez where it's

9:02

like, there's always going to be

9:04

somebody. And sometimes it's you that

9:06

makes you feel not good enough.

9:08

Or like the dress you picked

9:10

was rod. Or a rod. or

9:12

not really deserving of being there.

9:14

Or, and I think that's the

9:17

plight of an actress or a

9:19

creative, you know, I, I've just

9:21

recently read this beautiful book on

9:23

Margaret Wise Brown, who wrote, runaway

9:25

bunny and Good Night Moon, and,

9:27

you know, and she was made

9:29

to feel less than because she

9:31

wasn't an adult writer. And she,

9:33

you know, she's one of the

9:35

most prolific children's book. writers and

9:37

one of the most poetic sort

9:39

of extraordinary minds and you you

9:41

watch her insecurity blossom in certain

9:43

points and you think like wow

9:45

this has been happening since the

9:47

dawn of time like is it

9:49

a right of passage what if

9:51

we don't get through it what

9:53

if we choose to stay in

9:55

that place of anxiety and insecurity

9:57

and self-doubt and like is that

9:59

fair for us and like you

10:01

kind of have to, at least

10:03

these conversations are now starting to

10:05

be had a little bit differently.

10:07

Yeah. When those conversations are happening,

10:09

do you find in those moments

10:11

of self-doubt, do you have,

10:14

are you figuring out what your

10:16

prescription is? Like, is it, is

10:18

it talking to yourself? Is it

10:20

phoning a friend? Is it, sometimes

10:22

it's, and I said this today,

10:24

to my older daughter, sometimes it's

10:26

as simple as saying, nope, nope,

10:28

nope. No, no, no, no, no,

10:30

no, and shift and go

10:32

like, puppies, my laundry and

10:34

you distract and then you

10:36

kind of like shift and

10:39

then I start usually thinking

10:41

of like, okay, you're 59

10:43

years old. Are you still going

10:45

to do this shit to yourself?

10:47

Are you still going to let

10:49

it take your time? Or are

10:52

you going to just say, okay,

10:54

that's a part of what happens

10:56

to me, but can I make it

10:58

fuel me to ask more questions

11:01

about what I want my future,

11:03

you know, I want this job. How

11:06

about I ask for that job or

11:08

how about I put myself out there?

11:10

How about I say, you know,

11:12

I'm going to say yes to

11:14

that because it's something that is

11:16

out of my comfort and I'm

11:19

going to learn. And then you.

11:21

you sort of make it a

11:23

little bit more proactive. And in

11:25

that period of time, when you

11:27

realize the world hasn't imploded because

11:29

you're wearing the wrong dress,

11:31

and that nobody really cares

11:33

what dress you're wearing because

11:36

they're worried about their own

11:38

outfit, you start to just go

11:40

like, oh, I want to release

11:42

myself from this because nothing is

11:44

coming out of it that is

11:46

productive. And sometimes there is

11:48

a productivity in feeling insecure

11:51

because it causes me at

11:53

times to take on things

11:55

that I'm afraid of, you know, so

11:57

you have to kind of be willing.

11:59

to be honest about what it

12:02

is. Okay, Golden Globes are a

12:04

perfect example, right? You know, the

12:06

way she was talking about her

12:08

trajectory, her history, and how riddled

12:11

with that, that, she was insecure,

12:13

right? Yeah. So I can look

12:15

at somebody like that, and I

12:18

can look at them as a

12:20

contemporary and say, yeah, I get

12:22

it. I get it. And you

12:24

know. I too want that validation,

12:27

but I'm not, but my not,

12:29

but her getting it tonight to

12:31

the last site, whatever, doesn't take

12:34

it away from me. Like when

12:36

you're young, you sort of think

12:38

there's a limited allotment. A fine

12:40

ass. Yeah. Yeah. That people are

12:43

allowed. And yes, there's certain roles

12:45

and we all don't get them

12:47

because I don't get them, whatever.

12:49

That's the nature. So many times,

12:52

Brooke. So many times. a majority

12:54

of my life. I know. Talk

12:56

about daughter talk. I say it

12:59

all the time, especially when those

13:01

daughters paint me with like, you're

13:03

perfect. I'm like, do you know

13:05

how much, do you know the

13:08

percentage of jobs I've actually gotten

13:10

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13:12

auditioned for? I've gotten to. I

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made me think of, you made me

17:36

think, well, I mean, I love Taylor

17:38

Swift. I don't know where you land

17:40

on Taylor, but. Oh, I had the

17:42

best time in my life there, the

17:45

dancing with her mother. It was so

17:47

real. Oh, yeah, mom, I mean, she's

17:49

the best. She's the best. She was

17:51

so kind to my daughter, she gave

17:53

her the bracelet off her wrist. She

17:56

gave one not to my daughter's too.

17:58

like, this is for real? And like,

18:00

should I take it? And I was

18:02

like, yes, you should. And you should.

18:05

And you should say, thank you, ma'am.

18:07

Thank you. And you should give her

18:09

one of yours. Oh, no. She was

18:11

the initial offer. But I remember watching

18:14

the documentary, and again, who knows why

18:16

these things stick in her head, but

18:18

I remember when she was talking about

18:20

her relationship with food and when she

18:22

had a thorny one and when she

18:25

was not that was not sustainable, that

18:27

was not sustainable and that was not

18:29

literally nutritive. always fact-check me because sometimes

18:31

I remember things differently than they are,

18:34

but I remember her saying that her

18:36

mantra in those moments of self-doubt about

18:38

that particular issue was, we're not going

18:40

to do that. We're not going to

18:42

do that. We're not going to do

18:45

that anymore. We're just not going to

18:47

do that anymore. And I remember, I

18:49

mean, it's definitely for me reserved. I

18:51

think I had more of it younger,

18:54

but believe me, you me, I still

18:56

have a storage for it. I still

18:58

have a storage for it. Especially in

19:00

the moments of, you know, kind of

19:03

having to show up to something, being

19:05

on, you know, going into an audition

19:07

or something and catching a reflection of

19:09

myself in the window, you know, as

19:11

I walked away from my car. And

19:14

I remember being, the thoughts that went

19:16

through my mind were so unkind to

19:18

that reflection. And I remember being like,

19:20

what is going on? Why am I

19:23

being so unkind to myself? And it's

19:25

only making the self-doubt worse. It's not

19:27

setting me up for success. thinking a

19:29

different way in, if anyone spoke to,

19:31

if I spoke to anyone, the way

19:34

that I speak to myself, I would

19:36

have zero friends. And I have a

19:38

lot of friends. And I'm so grateful

19:40

for my friends. And I feel so

19:43

supported. So what if I treated myself

19:45

like I was my friend? And it

19:47

really did like that for me the

19:49

the self doubt exactly what you said

19:52

like the conversations with yourself Interrupting the

19:54

cycle saying nope like nope not on

19:56

my watch like you're not gonna fucking

19:58

say that to her Not on my

20:00

watch. You know, and what's interesting

20:03

is the two things

20:05

that you've just said,

20:07

you've kind of spoken

20:09

in third person, and

20:11

I think that that's

20:13

a really interesting psychology

20:15

that makes it easier for

20:18

us to take said mantra,

20:20

because if we go back

20:22

to our normal of our normal

20:24

tapes. And we say, I look

20:26

fat, I look fat, I look

20:29

stupid, I look old, I'm too

20:31

tall, I'm too short, I'm too

20:33

bad. It immediately goes right back

20:35

in. But if we say, no,

20:37

we're not going to do that,

20:40

we are 18 here and this

20:42

is a collective, like, and when

20:45

you say, I'm going to

20:47

speak to myself. You're creating

20:49

just enough distance so that our

20:51

psyche can make it less self-induced.

20:53

If you think about the way

20:56

the synapses work and the way

20:58

like the brain works, like that

21:00

stuff is so interesting to me

21:03

because That is what I think

21:05

is a really healthy way of

21:07

doing it. I mean, I had

21:09

something one time similar. It was,

21:12

I don't look in the mirror,

21:14

right? Like I refused to look

21:16

in the mirror for years and

21:19

years and years. Now I do.

21:21

But for years, I didn't, I

21:23

wouldn't, I wouldn't look in the

21:25

mirror. I wouldn't, like, and in

21:27

dance class, I would just fall

21:29

flat on my Coxixx and I

21:31

would be in such pain. And

21:33

then I was doing this movie.

21:35

be like walk in looking like

21:38

the Vavavum and kind

21:40

of sexy and sort

21:42

of like great but I

21:44

had to deliver some

21:46

tippet line of something

21:48

I don't know what it was

21:50

and I I was so out of

21:53

like my own periphery that

21:55

I didn't I was so unaware

21:57

of where I was coming

21:59

that repeatedly I kept running

22:01

into the wall. And it was

22:04

funny because it was like, oh,

22:06

look how clumsy she is. She

22:08

should probably be a comedian. Like,

22:11

oh, look how, yeah, you think

22:13

she's a supermodel, but she's really,

22:15

you know, clutts. And that was

22:18

just, you know, that was where

22:20

the crew went and everybody, because

22:22

I think they were embarrassed for

22:25

me. But I remember thinking, like,

22:27

oh, that's so interesting. Because you

22:29

weren't willing to take in who

22:32

you were who you were. enough

22:34

to understand your peripheral. Like I

22:36

physically walked into the wall, five

22:39

tapes in a row. And then

22:41

I started thinking, oh my God,

22:43

I've got a neurological problem. Like

22:46

this is crazy. And then I

22:48

took a dance class and my

22:50

teacher was like, if you don't

22:53

spot. And look at yourself, you're

22:55

never going to be able to

22:57

turn. You will never be able

23:00

to make a turn on stage

23:02

if you don't have a focal

23:04

point. And while we're in class,

23:07

the focal point is the mirror.

23:09

And if you can't handle what

23:11

you see in the mirror, then

23:14

you shouldn't be dancing at all.

23:16

And it was like really tough.

23:18

It was like harsh. And I

23:21

was like, I don't want to,

23:23

he goes, nobody cares. They're looking

23:25

at their own faces in the

23:28

mirror. If you don't do it,

23:30

you're on your own. And I

23:32

don't, I don't know, like, he

23:35

was so frustrated with me, but

23:37

it was like tough love and

23:39

it was, it reminded me of

23:42

that dove ad where the woman

23:44

described themselves to a artist who's

23:46

behind a black curtain and then

23:49

describes a woman that they were

23:51

cared of it. And in every

23:53

case. the way they described themselves

23:56

was witchy and hard and angry

23:58

and mean. And the way the

24:00

other person described them was like

24:03

regal and strong jod and fierce

24:05

and you just kind of go

24:07

like, okay, we've been doing this

24:10

to ourselves for quite some time.

24:12

Are we going to stop that

24:14

behavior? Yeah, because you're the only

24:17

one that can. Do you remember

24:19

a time where that was a

24:21

daily, daily, like the hardest for

24:24

you? Or like the lesson that

24:26

you needed to learn to get

24:28

past it to move on to

24:31

the next thing? I mean, I

24:33

think there was a, when I

24:35

was on Broadway, I was so,

24:38

one of the times I was

24:40

on Broadway, I was so, it

24:42

was so precious to me. doing

24:45

Wonderful Town, Town, which was a

24:47

musical comedy where I had to

24:49

sing dance and be comedic and

24:52

all of this at the same

24:54

time. And I remember thinking, like,

24:56

you are going to have to

24:59

use these six months, eight shows

25:01

a week, to stop sabotaging yourself

25:03

and stop doing those ritualistic OCD

25:06

things that you do because you

25:08

feel like if you don't put

25:10

your mascara on in the same

25:13

period of time that you count

25:15

to put your lip on like

25:17

whatever the thing was I had

25:20

frenzied myself in control. I'm gonna

25:22

stop on stage. Needing control. And

25:24

I so I went in one

25:27

day and I started absolutely doing

25:29

everything out of order. And I

25:31

waited to the last minute to

25:34

get to the theater, and I

25:36

did all these things that would

25:38

have been like, made me really

25:41

struggle. And I was fine. I

25:43

was fine on stage. The world

25:45

didn't fall apart. Yeah. And I

25:48

thought, think of all the time

25:50

you waste trying to control yourself,

25:52

when if you just were awake

25:55

enough to stay in the moment,

25:57

you'd probably be okay. Yeah, but

25:59

it's but you need to prove

26:02

it to yourself. I needed to

26:04

go through the discomfort of like,

26:06

yeah, you know, being chicken little

26:09

and the world's gonna, sky's gonna

26:11

fall apart. Yeah. Yeah, for sure,

26:13

for sure. And it's funny because,

26:16

you know, you were talking. about

26:18

talking to your daughter and you

26:20

know I've got three daughters in

26:23

the sun and and I think

26:25

you so badly want to just

26:27

like hook up like a connector

26:30

where you can like download all

26:32

of this stuff we're talking about

26:34

so you can like spare them

26:37

these moments that they go through

26:39

and then you have this moment

26:41

of realization where it's like yeah

26:44

oh just like you said like

26:46

the inside I wouldn't count insecurity

26:48

is like I wouldn't put in

26:51

my positive column But if you

26:53

can if you can contextualize it

26:55

if you can synthesize it in

26:58

your body and then have it

27:00

come out as humility Right instead

27:02

of insecurity. Maybe it's just like

27:05

me understanding that I you know,

27:07

it's not it's the opposite of

27:09

grandiose Like I'm not I'm not

27:12

all that in a bag of

27:14

chips, but I'm pretty proud of

27:16

myself instances and I learned this

27:19

because of self-deprecation, right? I've taken

27:21

self-deprecation to like a whole new

27:23

level of like, it's who I

27:26

am. And when you do that

27:28

too much to yourself over the

27:30

course of years, you start seeing

27:33

yourself as less than, right? If

27:35

you're not careful, right? Yeah, yeah,

27:37

I get that. So I do

27:40

think that there's a I like

27:42

the word humility better than I

27:44

like the word humble, but I

27:47

do feel like our humility needs

27:49

to be extended to ourselves, not

27:51

necessarily to the outside, because, you

27:54

know, I took it to such,

27:56

I would, I would like back

27:58

out of rooms or come in

28:01

and say, I'm sorry, or, or

28:03

instead of just excuse me, everything

28:05

was, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And

28:08

I was like apologizing for living.

28:10

And then you start feeling like,

28:12

Oh God, I don't know why

28:15

I feel so bad about myself.

28:17

Yeah. So I try to say

28:19

to my girls, you know, respect

28:22

is a huge, huge thing to

28:24

integrate. into your lives. And that

28:26

is respect for yourself without arrogance,

28:29

because I used to equate that

28:31

with arrogance and respect for others,

28:33

others time, others, you know, feelings

28:36

at that moment, just try to

28:38

be aware of them. Don't undermine

28:40

yourself so much to uphold them.

28:43

But again, you know, really try

28:45

to listen, listen to, okay, so

28:47

you're nervous about this, right? My

28:50

daughter went into a really kind

28:52

of interesting job where she had

28:54

to be in service. And I

28:57

said, you know, make yourself indispensable.

28:59

And she's like, well, that's, I

29:01

can't think of myself that way.

29:04

And I said, no, no, don't

29:06

walk in thinking you're better than

29:08

everybody. Walk in and say, how

29:11

can I help you? This job.

29:13

What can I do? in this

29:15

position to make your said job

29:18

more, you know, run smoothly. And

29:20

I said in overtime. you will

29:22

start feeling needed for the right

29:25

reasons. And then your own self-worth

29:27

will kind of find its spot

29:29

and you're never going to be

29:32

arrogant. It's not in your DNA.

29:34

You know what? I think that

29:36

that's also, sometimes I feel really

29:39

small in the world and I

29:41

feel like the problems are all

29:43

too big and I do tend

29:46

to feel comforted by getting really

29:48

small in like what can I

29:50

affect. You know, like, I really,

29:53

I personally, there's not a lot

29:55

I can do about things that

29:57

are happening across the world or

30:00

things that are just bigger balls

30:02

to unwind, but I can smile

30:04

at a stranger. I can make

30:07

someone feel valued and special, and

30:09

that is really important to do

30:11

when you can. When you have

30:14

the power to do it, it's

30:16

really important. to do? Well, it's

30:18

Taylor's mom giving our daughters the

30:21

little gold bracelet. Like it's, it's

30:23

their gestures. Yeah. You know, it's

30:25

like if I'm walking on the

30:28

street and, you know, I mean,

30:30

usually it goes like this, someone

30:32

will say, oh, you're still beautiful.

30:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of

30:37

those. Other than you're actually beautiful,

30:39

I got one. Anyway, it's just,

30:42

it's these crazy things. But when

30:44

someone, when anybody says anything complementary,

30:46

I immediately turn it back around

30:49

and I say, you are so

30:51

beautiful. And it never fails. The

30:53

person will go, thank you. Thank

30:56

you, Brooke. And I'll be like,

30:58

have a great day and I

31:00

walk on and it's just, it's

31:03

that. It a little goes a

31:05

long way and I think that

31:07

there are symbols of that, whether

31:10

it's Taylor Swift and her frontier

31:12

bracelets or the messaging in her

31:14

songs or how she treats what

31:17

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31:19

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35:35

have a question because I was

35:37

also thinking about you. Oh, I've

35:39

been thinking about you for a

35:41

couple days because I knew I

35:44

was going to see you. And

35:46

I was thinking just looking back.

35:48

Looking back and looking

35:50

forward, you really have

35:53

touched in so many different

35:55

aspects of entertainment.

35:58

Like you have. have done so

36:00

many things and I find you in

36:03

conversation and whenever I run into you

36:05

I'm always so happy because I

36:07

find you and everything you're saying about

36:09

yourself I absolutely I know is

36:11

true but there's this there's this willingness

36:14

that I see in you that's like

36:16

Okay, I mean, you know, I

36:18

know you wouldn't say this, but you

36:20

know, you're, you're the Calvin Klein, gorgeous,

36:23

gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeousness and the winds

36:25

are blowing and the hair is blowing

36:27

and all the thing and you're

36:29

so beautiful. And there's this, there's this

36:32

aspect of entertainment, right? Because we're creating

36:34

these big images. And then it's

36:36

like, oh, hey, so what about being,

36:38

you know, what about being on a

36:41

TV show? And I think that

36:43

that that's. Not a very common thing

36:45

to be so willing and I

36:47

I love it I I think it's

36:49

I'm using it as a compliment by

36:52

the way because I find that

36:54

you know one of the biggest disruptors

36:56

to life is people who are unwilling

36:58

like unwilling just go you know

37:00

they're the people whenever you ask them

37:03

they're like no you're like oh

37:05

I just want you to jump in

37:07

but Do you have, do you know

37:09

where your willingness came from? Do

37:11

you, were you just, were you born

37:14

like that? Did you see it go

37:16

the other way? And you're like,

37:18

uh, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna jump

37:20

in. Like, where did that adventure

37:22

and where did that willingness come from?

37:25

Well, thank you for that. That is

37:27

a very positive view of, of,

37:29

I think, well, how I've chosen to

37:31

live my life, but I think it's

37:34

because I don't like limitations that

37:36

are put on me. by other people

37:38

who have no idea what my

37:40

capacity is. I don't even understand maybe

37:42

my capability or my talent or my

37:45

capacity or whatever it is. And

37:47

so when you get denied access, which

37:49

we've talked about before, but when you

37:51

are not picked, overlooked, not chosen,

37:53

whatever this crazy thing that we as

37:56

actors are subjected to. And you're,

37:58

you've been on some pedestal that you

38:00

really didn't need not ask to be

38:02

on and then you're knocked off

38:04

it and they just are thriving on

38:07

that watching you kind of flail in

38:09

their opinion, you know, the public

38:11

opinion or press or whatever. You start

38:13

to say like, am I gonna

38:15

let myself be limited constantly by something

38:18

that I have no control over or

38:20

Am I just going to keep

38:22

saying yes, especially if I'm afraid? And,

38:24

you know, it's not like, oh, by

38:27

choice, I chose not to be

38:29

in films anymore and I was going

38:31

to go beyond television or being

38:33

on Broadway. Those were things that were

38:35

the only ones available to me. But

38:38

imagine if you hadn't been willing.

38:40

You know, part of it is like,

38:42

oh, I got so happy I gotten

38:44

divided to that party. And it

38:46

just, I felt... like I think every

38:49

opportunity that I've gotten has been

38:51

a gift because they don't come often,

38:53

you know, they don't come all the

38:55

time or often and I think

38:57

that... And sometimes you have to make

39:00

them. I mean, look at them, I

39:02

mean, I'm looking at your whole

39:04

life and on pieces of paper and

39:06

notes and all the things that

39:08

I've, you know, that I've just seen

39:11

you do and there's a lot, you

39:13

know, I mean, there's a lot

39:15

of redirection. And you know what people

39:17

say it's reinvention and I always say

39:20

like, you know what, I wasn't

39:22

broken enough to need to be reinvented.

39:24

I just needed to keep being

39:26

revealed. Yeah. And like, I'll raise my

39:29

hand and I'll be like, oh, can

39:31

I want to try that? Like,

39:33

yeah, just because I've, I've felt the

39:35

success, like, and I felt it in

39:38

college more than anything. you know,

39:40

I tried out for a dance company

39:42

and I didn't make it. Princeton

39:44

University. Sorry, I always have to say

39:46

it because it's just really impressive. Well,

39:49

but like I I didn't get

39:51

into this dance company and I didn't

39:53

get into this singing group. And I

39:55

just remember feeling like such a

39:57

failure and thinking like, how could I

40:00

be an actress and not know

40:02

how to do this? Like, what's wrong

40:04

with me? Maybe I am just a

40:06

celebrity and I am just, maybe

40:08

I'm sort of smart. But like, and

40:11

so I thought, okay, well, what are

40:13

you going to do about it?

40:15

And I spent that summer taking dance

40:17

lessons, taking singing lessons. Yeah. And

40:19

I went back and I got into

40:22

the dance company. And I got into

40:24

the musical theater group. And I

40:26

had a whole life that wasn't afforded

40:28

to me before because I hadn't worked

40:31

hard enough for it maybe. I

40:33

don't know. Yeah, but you were also,

40:35

you were willing to, you were

40:37

willing to, you were willing to, you

40:39

were willing to take the no and

40:42

like direct yourselves into having earned

40:44

it. It sounds like, right? I was

40:46

willing to fail, I think. You have

40:48

to, you have to be real

40:50

willing to fail in life. That's the

40:53

thing I think some people don't

40:55

get when they, when they, when they,

40:57

when they, when they, when they, when

40:59

they, when they, when they, when

41:01

they, when they, when they, when they

41:04

talk about the, when they talk about

41:06

the, when they talk about the,

41:08

when they talk about the, when they

41:10

talk about the, I think it's

41:12

really important what you just said. If

41:15

you doubt yourself all the time, okay

41:17

fine, that's being human, but I

41:19

find that a lot of people who

41:21

get stuck in that decide to just

41:24

stop trying. to like stop doing,

41:26

to stop moving forward. And I think

41:28

it's like, that's where you, I

41:30

love all this, I love, this is,

41:32

my favorite thing about Instagram is all

41:35

the sayings. I take screenshots of

41:37

them all and I put them in

41:39

my little pocket and I go like,

41:41

you know, like, you know, like,

41:43

if you don't ask the answers, always

41:46

going to be now, right? It's

41:48

like, yes, you have to keep going,

41:50

you have to keep going forward and

41:52

then you'll, and then you'll sort

41:54

of you can do it. And also

41:57

you say, I say that to my

41:59

girls. I'm like, I can guarantee

42:01

you won't get into that college if

42:03

you don't apply. Yeah, like I

42:05

can guarantee it. Like it's a 100%

42:08

of the shots you don't take. I'm

42:10

telling you, I've got a lot

42:12

of them. I'll get on my phone.

42:14

I got a whole file. I have

42:17

those pads that have. at the

42:19

bottom, you know, and it's like, it's

42:21

always like somebody really cool was

42:23

said it in like the early 1900s

42:26

and you're just like, yes, what would

42:28

you do if you knew you

42:30

could not fail? And you're like, yeah,

42:32

all of them, all of them, all

42:35

of them. Okay, so if you,

42:37

I mean, you, you didn't know you

42:39

couldn't fail. But in this now,

42:41

in the beginning is now phase, what

42:43

is the thing that is, you can't

42:46

stop talking about? is that when

42:48

you are a part of something like

42:50

a startup, you have to know that

42:52

part of it, so part of

42:54

what you were talking about before is

42:57

accepting victimhood, I think. It's when

42:59

we choose not to move through something

43:01

and we choose to be a martyr

43:03

about it or a victim to

43:05

it, right? And you can say whatever

43:08

it is sucks, but what am I

43:10

going to do about it? And

43:12

when you are. part of something like

43:14

a company that you have decided

43:16

to start and you put your money

43:19

into it and then you lose that

43:21

money and then you have to

43:23

get more money and then you spend

43:25

that money but you all the while

43:28

you're kind of blindly saying to

43:30

yourself I believe in the mission I

43:32

believe in the vision I'm not

43:34

going to let go I'm not going

43:36

to let go I've heard these stories

43:39

I've heard people say we failed

43:41

and we pulled ourselves up and we

43:43

did and we and that has been

43:45

the thing that has been the

43:47

most sort of acute for me is

43:50

taking those moments where I am

43:52

unable to sleep and I'm afraid and

43:54

I'm and money is a looming as

43:56

a problem. But you know that

43:58

the larger message that you started this

44:01

whole thing for is the thing that

44:03

you cannot deny. That is to

44:05

be that afraid and keep forging ahead

44:07

and then to look back four

44:09

years later and say, look how far

44:12

we've come. Look at what just the

44:14

last seven months have been. I

44:16

remember running into you, by the way,

44:18

in New York City, I was with

44:21

a friend and you were at

44:23

Cafe Cluny and you were like, I'm

44:25

starting something. It's really exciting. I'm

44:27

figuring it out. I don't, I don't,

44:29

I, you were, it was, and it

44:32

was a table of, I mean,

44:34

I feel like you had like maybe

44:36

four people around you and it was

44:38

just like, I remember being like,

44:40

I can't wait to see what this

44:43

is. out of beginning is now

44:45

has now become a fully more more

44:47

fully flushed out whole vision and and

44:49

and mission for women over 40

44:51

to really help solve problems that they're

44:54

encountering. Which problem is is are you

44:56

all do you feel like is

44:58

being solved that you're most proud of?

45:00

At first it was the community

45:02

like You are not alone. I am

45:05

not alone. I am pissed that only

45:07

1% of all marketing and advertisement

45:09

has women 60 plus in it. That

45:11

is unheard of. You know, I'm when

45:14

people say, oh, do you think

45:16

Hollywood's changing in their writing stories for

45:18

women of a certain age? And

45:20

I say, yes, like, it's great. But

45:23

here's to me. We are actually even

45:25

more interesting than the divorcee who

45:27

now is sleeping with a 20 year

45:29

old. Like we are actually these unbelievable

45:32

women that have so much that

45:34

we bring to the table. And when

45:36

you, I've recently been able to

45:38

work with some actresses who are older

45:40

and they come to the table with

45:43

everything, including their little girl selves

45:45

and their insecurities, including their knowledge and

45:47

their history and their experience. And you

45:49

say to yourself like, that is

45:51

what's becoming a part of the conversation.

45:54

So like, to me, that's been

45:56

the most rewarding. is having conversations with

45:58

women all over the world. And they're

46:00

still saying, like, thank you, we

46:02

didn't feel represented, but now, let's look

46:05

at these things we're encountering and not

46:07

look at them like, oh, it's

46:09

the beginning of the end. And you're

46:11

decrepit. But like, let's look at

46:13

them and let's solve these problems. Well,

46:16

how about look at them? I mean,

46:18

there's so many other cultures that

46:20

put such a huge value on. age

46:22

and maturity, right? The elders are the

46:25

ones that choose who's the keeps

46:27

and the everything and that you know,

46:29

absolutely. And now I mean, you

46:31

know, I think, I mean, I'm just

46:33

such a huge fan and I've self-care

46:36

and I, you know, I'm on

46:38

most to do this, I put myself

46:40

last because I also am like in

46:42

the thick of it with the

46:44

kids and everything else. But I, I

46:47

find that, you know, the more

46:49

that we have the access and proximity

46:51

to being able to take care of

46:53

ourselves, it's like, it's like... I'm

46:55

looking at all these women that are

46:58

not only, you know, have more experience

47:00

and have different experience and bring

47:02

all this value, but they're also going

47:04

like, and I'm going to be,

47:06

I'm going to value my health, I'm

47:09

going to value being fit, I'm going

47:11

to value being fit, I'm going

47:13

to value how I feed myself, I'm

47:15

going to speak about myself kindly, I'm

47:18

going to, you know, I'm going

47:20

to bring all these lessons and I'm

47:22

going to share them with everyone.

47:24

I feel like that's happening, you know.

47:26

really big way. Maybe I just wasn't

47:29

around it because I was around

47:31

all people that were you know younger

47:33

but I just I find that it's

47:35

so universal these days like it

47:37

feels like it's a bit you're very

47:40

you're really much around it. Well

47:42

I also think that like we call

47:44

at Commence we call ourselves a care

47:46

brand and our whole motto is

47:48

take care and when I say that

47:51

it there's a narrative different reasons that

47:53

that sort of you know, brings

47:55

up, we're so talks about, it's like,

47:57

take care of yourself because you

47:59

deserve it. take the care that's available

48:02

to you from the people who feed

48:04

you positively in your life.

48:07

You know, take care to not

48:09

play those tapes over in your

48:11

head that diminish your value in

48:13

your own eye. You know, take

48:16

the take yourself and care for

48:18

yourself and say like that group

48:20

of girls, I don't feel good

48:22

about myself when I'm when I'm

48:25

around them or that person or

48:27

or that job or that doesn't

48:29

make me, it doesn't help me.

48:31

And I leave feeling smaller. So

48:34

that means to me, that's really

48:36

understanding what it means to

48:39

take care of ourselves so

48:41

that we can, how do

48:43

we want to live our

48:45

lives in the most care

48:47

generating way, you know, and

48:50

that's our whole. vision, you

48:52

know, we say it commends

48:54

like we want to encourage

48:56

women to live, and we

48:59

say fearlessly and joyfully, but

49:01

it's not a pressure. It's

49:03

that you've earned this position

49:05

in your actual life

49:08

because you've done so much

49:10

for so many other people,

49:12

you've come so far and you

49:15

deserve to care about who

49:17

you are as a person

49:19

and feel really good about

49:21

that. Like you deserve to

49:23

love yourself. Like it sounds

49:25

like another magnet on a

49:27

refrigerator, but it's a real

49:30

thing. And when you start,

49:32

I remember saying to myself

49:35

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49:37

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49:39

my head about and I just

49:41

felt. like I was sort of gonna

49:44

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49:46

wonder how you would walk into the

49:48

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49:52

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49:55

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49:57

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53:42

Did you have anyone when you

53:44

were younger that felt wise in

53:46

the in the way that like

53:48

that could that that sort of

53:50

pulled you up that was like

53:53

Brooke there's this there's this other

53:55

way of looking at it. I

53:57

mean, actually, no, I think most

53:59

of the people that I sort

54:01

of like my mother who I

54:03

looked up to, I felt responsible

54:06

for keeping her alive, like so

54:08

that that comes with a lot

54:10

of self-doubt in other ways. Well,

54:12

and a co-dependency, so yeah, for

54:14

sure, and an emeshment. And but

54:17

there were some male relationships that

54:19

I had that sort of reverted

54:21

the mirror back to me and

54:23

said, you know, I want you

54:25

to see yourself the way I

54:27

see you. Like, this is what

54:30

I fell in love with. I'd

54:32

like you to see that person.

54:34

Because if you knew her, like

54:36

if you knew her, you'd like

54:38

her. And, you know, one of

54:41

my early, early relationships that I

54:43

was able to be, that was

54:45

a huge part of it. One

54:47

of my more serious relationships, none

54:49

of them worked out in the

54:51

long run. I mean. Thankfully. Isn't

54:54

that amazing how that's such a

54:56

gift when it doesn't work? And

54:58

you're like killing yourself. Wait, I

55:00

have a question. When you were

55:02

in your when you were starting

55:05

out and again, by the way,

55:07

I maybe I'm making this up,

55:09

but I feel like I remember

55:11

seeing the billboards, like I actually

55:13

remember the Calvin Klein billboards being,

55:15

I remember those being up. But

55:18

that part of your life, who

55:20

was like your super biggest, like

55:22

who was like the crushworthiness? Like

55:24

who were you like because you

55:26

were like you were kind of

55:29

the tippy top like what is

55:31

the tippy top like you work

55:33

as again I think a wind

55:35

machine followed you where you went.

55:37

That's in my mind, that's the

55:39

story I'm making up. You would

55:42

just walk down the street and

55:44

it would be like, I'm broke,

55:46

I'm broke. Yeah, that's the way

55:48

I spent my, that's how I

55:50

got out of bed. I had

55:53

a wind machine put in my

55:55

bedroom just like I love it.

55:57

I love it. No, I mean,

55:59

it was funny because I liked

56:01

certain movies, right, but I love

56:03

the fact that John Travolta danced

56:06

the way he did. Like, like,

56:08

like, Robin Williams, like, so funny.

56:10

So, such a genius in my,

56:12

my life, his like, I, I

56:14

went like, comedians, like, I went

56:17

sexy, Russell Ball. I went like,

56:19

I, I didn't have heart throbs

56:21

as much because most of the

56:23

heart throbs I had already worked

56:25

with. And they were kind of

56:27

boring. They were just such work.

56:30

It was sweet, but they were

56:32

true. Big generalization alert, but yes,

56:34

the more handsome, the more boring

56:36

or a lot of work. They

56:38

were just boys and they needed

56:41

so much attention and I was

56:43

just like, oh, I am not

56:45

playing this game anymore. And so

56:47

I got like so just like,

56:49

Like I was like, little girl,

56:51

I'm like, they bother me. I

56:54

don't, like, you know, and everybody's

56:56

like, oh my God, you know,

56:58

babies in love with them. And

57:00

I'm just like, oh, rolling my

57:02

eyes like, you know, and like

57:05

the little sister that is just

57:07

so over the sibling that's getting

57:09

all the attention and you're just

57:11

kind of, you get petulant about

57:13

it, you know, so I wasn't,

57:15

I didn't fall into the same

57:18

category of heart throbs, and you

57:20

know, Scott Beo and Lake Garrett.

57:22

Beo. I mean, you know, you

57:24

were like, it's so funny, like,

57:26

to now look back and you

57:29

just kind of go like, oh,

57:31

those were my scrapbooks of, you

57:33

know, it was. heart problems. Did

57:35

you ever get to meet? Did

57:37

you ever, did you ever, did

57:39

you ever? Every single one of

57:42

them. I met every one of

57:44

them. And okay, so don't, you

57:46

don't need to name names, but

57:48

like percentage wise, mostly lived up

57:50

to the hype or mostly didn't?

57:53

You know, not the same kind

57:55

of hype that we were all

57:57

putting them up against. Yeah. They

57:59

just got to be too human

58:01

too quickly. Yeah. But I remember

58:03

Scott Bayo gave me a corsage

58:06

on my wrist and I was

58:08

like. And I was like. Oh,

58:10

he's classy. And I was like,

58:12

yeah. At the beginning of a

58:14

date, like he pulled up and

58:17

had a corsage? Yeah, like there

58:19

was, we went to some party

58:21

and. I was going to say,

58:23

were you going to a dance?

58:25

It wasn't a prom or anything.

58:27

It was just like a party,

58:30

I think, in Hollywood and like,

58:32

those Scotty brothers were, I don't

58:34

know, do you think his mom

58:36

called him? It was like sure.

58:38

You got to pick up a

58:41

corsage. Yeah, she probably like got

58:43

it. Did you want to wear

58:45

it? Oh, with pride. Okay, I

58:47

love it. I love it. Okay,

58:49

great. I love it. Well, I

58:51

love chatting with you. I really

58:54

do anytime, anywhere by accident or

58:56

on purpose. And thank you so

58:58

much for spending this time with

59:00

me. Thank you. Thank you so

59:02

much for having me and tell

59:05

your partner in crime that we

59:07

missed her. I know, I know.

59:09

She's going to sheep while she

59:11

already is so bummed. We talked

59:13

about it and I was like,

59:15

but she's making a difference. She's

59:18

making you guys authentic. I know.

59:20

She's responding to some medical, you

59:22

know, major minor medical trauma, which

59:24

is awesome. I know. How great

59:26

to be able to be called

59:29

in for that. I know, she's

59:31

given America what she wants. She

59:33

said it was because someone got

59:35

sick after the holidays and I

59:37

talked to her last night and

59:39

her voice sounded funny and I

59:42

was like, why is your voice

59:44

sound funny? And she's like, because

59:46

I'm sick. And I was like,

59:48

oh, because so everybody's sick. It's

59:50

just like, I remember having, I

59:53

mean, I know you have these

59:55

stories, but I remember being shocked

59:57

by it. I remember calling. up

59:59

our like main producer who was

1:00:01

like the line producer and being

1:00:03

like I'm really sick like I

1:00:06

do not feel well I feel

1:00:08

like their life swallowing glass shards

1:00:10

and he was like so okay but

1:00:12

what are you trying to say I think

1:00:14

I think I don't think I should be

1:00:17

at work like I think I'm really

1:00:19

sick and he was like okay but

1:00:21

then I'll call a doctor I'll call

1:00:23

a doctor and the doctors would come

1:00:25

give you a B12 shot yeah they'd

1:00:27

give you a B12 shot to I

1:00:29

don't I swab you. This was pre-covet,

1:00:31

so it wasn't even like they said,

1:00:33

like, and maybe you should put on

1:00:35

a mask so you don't give everyone

1:00:37

else on the set strep throat. But

1:00:40

yeah, I remember just like, let's show

1:00:42

must go on. Yeah, I found out

1:00:44

I was pregnant right before I started

1:00:46

Chicago on Broadway and I remember

1:00:48

thinking like, oh God, I'm gonna

1:00:51

get fired. And I didn't tell

1:00:53

anybody. And I just told my and

1:00:55

I said went to my doctor and

1:00:57

I'm like, I'm supposed to go do

1:00:59

this show. And he said, well, knowing

1:01:01

you, you will work out during pregnancy.

1:01:04

So just don't work out in addition

1:01:06

to the show. And he's like,

1:01:08

because your body's going to be

1:01:10

able to be fine because you've

1:01:12

worked out through your other pregnancy

1:01:15

and that's what you do. So

1:01:17

just don't work out in addition

1:01:19

to. And then when I started

1:01:22

to show, I had to like. take

1:01:24

my wardrobe person aside and say

1:01:26

like, hey, you know those like

1:01:28

waist inches? And she goes, I

1:01:30

see nothing, I know nothing, I

1:01:32

think you've been eating too many

1:01:34

pieces of candy and I'm just

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gonna, I'm gonna let your costumes

1:01:39

out. And she didn't tell anybody,

1:01:41

but we had to keep it

1:01:43

a secret. And then finally I

1:01:45

was like nearing the end of

1:01:48

my run and it was obvious

1:01:50

like that I was, you know,

1:01:52

proxy was, you had them not.

1:01:54

I was the same pregnant rush,

1:01:57

she's a real troublemaker that Roxy,

1:01:59

she's totally. But another thing too,

1:02:01

it's like, I just recently had

1:02:03

to call a big meeting with

1:02:05

everybody because I was starting to get

1:02:07

unhealthy because of my schedule. Like, and

1:02:10

every day more is added to it.

1:02:12

And there's more and more and more

1:02:14

and more and more. And it's for

1:02:17

this and it's for that. And everybody's

1:02:19

just doing their job. And I keep

1:02:21

thinking, oh, they're going to see that

1:02:24

I'm starting to like fray here.

1:02:26

I woke up like, you know, New

1:02:28

Year's Day kind of after sort of

1:02:30

separating myself for a bit. And I

1:02:33

was thinking, no, they're not. They're not

1:02:35

going to think of you and be

1:02:37

like, oh, well, she might be overextended.

1:02:40

No, they think, oh, we got to

1:02:42

add this, we got to do

1:02:44

this, we got to do this. And

1:02:46

I thought I just called them all

1:02:49

and I said, I'm done. emotionally. I

1:02:51

need to be able to prepare for

1:02:53

them. They are creative. They have nothing

1:02:56

to do with the book, the company,

1:02:58

equity, they are my creative life. And

1:03:00

if I don't keep nurturing my creative

1:03:03

life as an actress, I will

1:03:05

become bitter to all of your departments.

1:03:07

And I will become difficult. And I

1:03:09

will say no before you even ask

1:03:12

me. And if you want to get

1:03:14

your pound of flesh out of me.

1:03:16

This is what I need. And it

1:03:19

was so interesting to be this age.

1:03:21

And finally, you know, and they all

1:03:23

responded with, okay, we get it.

1:03:25

And I was like, damn it, why

1:03:28

did I do this before? Yeah, it's

1:03:30

earlier. Yeah, it's called boundaries, but I'm

1:03:32

not good at them. But you know

1:03:35

what, you, yeah, I mean, listen, I

1:03:37

always say, I mean, I'm a recovering

1:03:39

people pleaser, I'm a fixer, I too,

1:03:42

you know, you know, single mom.

1:03:44

codependent like all the stuff and you

1:03:46

just look at how and I never

1:03:48

um I don't bemoan it And I

1:03:51

don't complain about it. It's how I

1:03:53

was put together. And I more just

1:03:56

go like, oh, well, I understand. Like,

1:03:58

by the way, maybe my tone's going

1:04:00

to be different because I'm not mad

1:04:03

at you all for putting it

1:04:05

on my schedule. I'm more like, I

1:04:07

see how this happened. I was going

1:04:09

to do it about it. And you

1:04:12

were being you, and now I'm going

1:04:14

to just hit the reset button and

1:04:16

be like, we're going to do it

1:04:19

different from here on. I'll take it

1:04:21

all. But you know what? That being

1:04:23

said, it's the blessing and the

1:04:25

curse because it's what I love about

1:04:28

myself so much. Yeah. And it's also

1:04:30

what can make things a little tough

1:04:32

sometimes. Yeah. And if you, you know,

1:04:35

when you start to, if you start

1:04:37

to become a victim to it, then

1:04:39

it's on you to like go, oh,

1:04:42

it doesn't fit anymore. It used to

1:04:44

feel me and now, I don't

1:04:46

like the way that feels. I want

1:04:48

to still be me, but I want

1:04:51

to still be me, but I'm just

1:04:53

going to be me, I'm going to

1:04:55

carve it, I'm going to carve it

1:04:58

out a carve it out a, carve

1:05:00

it out a little differently. Yeah, and

1:05:02

sometimes take a minute to do

1:05:04

that. I feel like, you know, I

1:05:07

mean, everyone talks about this, but everyone's

1:05:09

just so in a rush. They like

1:05:11

want their answer for everything, like now,

1:05:14

you don't do it now, and now

1:05:16

we have all these smartphones, so we

1:05:18

actually can do it now, and you

1:05:21

can literally be sitting there. I know,

1:05:23

and my, and now I watched

1:05:25

my 14 year old, like, they expect

1:05:27

it from me, the guy to then

1:05:30

fix the thing and it all happened

1:05:32

so quick because I can't before and

1:05:34

you can yeah yeah yeah and now

1:05:37

I'm like oh right that this might

1:05:39

be yours to do how about you

1:05:42

take this yeah I love you mommy

1:05:44

loves you yeah well no you're

1:05:46

18 you yeah you actually have to

1:05:48

be the one to call yeah mommy

1:05:51

loves you This is mommy loving you.

1:05:53

Bye. Oh boy. Oh my God. Okay,

1:05:55

well I could talk to you all

1:05:58

day, but I think actually your people

1:06:00

want you to go back to work.

1:06:02

Okay. I have to go back

1:06:04

to work. I've got my next, whatever

1:06:07

it is. A different kind of work.

1:06:09

Yeah. I adore you. I like watching

1:06:11

you in all the different iterations of

1:06:14

you. Certainly not reinventions, but thank you

1:06:16

for allowing the world access to the

1:06:18

different parts of you. And I'm just

1:06:21

grateful for you. Thank you. Thank you.

1:06:23

Happy New Year and all the

1:06:25

above stuff. Happy New Year. Okay. Thanks.

1:06:27

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