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1:18

Peter Vermi's, the longest

1:20

tenured manager in the

1:22

history of the sport

1:25

apparently has been let

1:27

go from sporting Kansas

1:29

City. They have mutually

1:31

agreed to part ways. Wow,

1:33

we did not see that coming. I'm

1:35

Jimity Conrad. Jiminy, I added that in

1:37

there. Jimmy Conrad alongside Charlie Davies

1:40

and Tom Boger's joining us to give

1:42

us some inside scoop. So Tom, we want

1:44

to throw to you first. You got

1:46

news of this potentially happening between

1:48

Kansas City's ownership. And Peter Vermi's

1:51

last night, it finally comes to

1:53

fruition this morning, what other

1:55

inside scoop do you have? Nothing too

1:57

deep other than this has been brewing.

1:59

So the fans came out and demanded

2:02

that Verme's resigned. I was told that

2:04

it's not like the ownership and the

2:06

front office and whoever ended up officially

2:08

making this decision. It's not like they

2:10

went, oh crap, didn't think of it,

2:12

let's consider it and run it that

2:15

way. They care about what the fans

2:17

say and everything, but that timing is

2:19

just more coincidental than anything else. So.

2:21

They have lost 12 of their last

2:23

13 games across all competitions dating back

2:26

to last season. Things have not been

2:28

good enough. They knew it hasn't been

2:30

good enough. They wanted to give Peter

2:32

for me some time this season. He's

2:34

had a little bit of time. It

2:36

is still early. It is still a

2:39

shock across the league. Every text and

2:41

call I've gotten from people at other

2:43

clubs and MLS. All it's been is

2:45

I can't believe they actually did it.

2:47

Nobody was necessarily disagreeing with... it being

2:49

on merit and nobody was you know

2:52

burying Vermez either everybody's been respectful about

2:54

how much of a legend he is

2:56

for this club for this league and

2:58

everything else but the overarching feeling from

3:00

every Texan call I got from an

3:03

agent a general manager chief scout was

3:05

I can't believe they actually did it

3:07

I thought they would never do it

3:09

okay so Chuck let's give some context

3:11

then and to Peter before I throw

3:13

it over to you so he got

3:16

named as sporting technical director in November

3:18

2006 when when this the ownership group,

3:20

the current ownership group, took over for

3:22

the Hunt family, okay? And then he

3:24

took over head coaching duties in 2009.

3:27

I was still on the team during

3:29

all that. And he helped really turn

3:31

the Kansas City Wizards into sporting Kansas

3:33

City, help the stadium get built, built

3:35

a world-class training facility. I mean, the

3:37

guy's done so many things both on

3:40

and off the field to really elevate

3:42

the game and really set the standard.

3:44

I don't want to take anything away

3:46

from him and I want to give

3:48

him his flowers. He won three U.S.

3:50

Open Cups in 2012, 2015, and 2017.

3:53

He got to the club at 11

3:55

playoff appearances, including eight straight from 2011

3:57

to 2018. But he's been stale for

3:59

quite some time, which is something we've

4:01

been discussing when we think about sporting

4:04

Kansas City in recent memory. Yeah, I

4:06

think for me, Tom, I'm thinking about

4:08

why. all of a sudden now, because

4:10

if you look at recent history, a

4:12

12th finish in 2022, an 8th finish

4:14

in 2023, and a 13th finish last

4:17

year, three of six seasons, at the

4:19

last six seasons, no playoffs. What led

4:21

management to say, you know what, finally,

4:23

finally now is the time. I know

4:25

they're bottom of the Western Conference right

4:27

now. Yeah, things are bleak. It's not

4:30

just the results. It's that this was

4:32

the new era. They spent more money.

4:34

They, you know, Palito left. They bring

4:36

in Manu Garcia. They bring in Day

4:38

Anjovlich. I like some of these signings.

4:41

They never addressed defense of midfield and

4:43

central defense, which has plagued this team

4:45

since 2018. Since whatever year it was

4:47

that that met, Bleek Beesler eventually left.

4:49

And Graham Zuse, he was being faded

4:51

out. And the guy absolutely crushed it.

4:54

at LAC to help them kind of

4:56

stabilize their midfield. It's almost poetic. They

4:58

decided Ilea Sanchez is over the hill

5:00

and we can't rely on him to

5:02

be our six because we need somebody

5:05

who's going to defend or we don't

5:07

think this is going to age well.

5:09

They decided. Not sporting fit. They decided

5:11

that. They decided that. They decided that.

5:13

They decided that. They decided that. They

5:15

decided that. They decided that. They decided

5:18

that. And then. have not replaced him.

5:20

They've tried a few times. And that

5:22

has been the most glaring hole. And

5:24

we're going to talk about this in

5:26

the macro sense. But this winter, I

5:28

was like, I really love the Danielovich

5:31

signing. I like Manu Garcia from the

5:33

bits that I saw in in his

5:35

first cameos and as he's getting a

5:37

form. But I was like, I don't

5:39

really care because they still haven't replaced

5:42

Iliac Sanchez from three years ago. Yeah,

5:44

I got a lot of questions. But

5:46

one of the ones I want to

5:48

want to discuss is that they want

5:50

to discuss is that they have to

5:52

discuss is that they have. He recently

5:55

hired Mike Burns. I'm talking he as

5:57

Peter Burmese hired Mike Burns to be

5:59

the sport. director. And before that, Gavin

6:01

Wilkinson, let's not forget that. Back to

6:03

back hires that are mind blowing in

6:06

a negative way, yes. But also somebody

6:08

that he could control, right? Oh, he's

6:10

a sporting director. He doesn't have to

6:12

answer to ultimately his coach, right? Let

6:14

me say to Jimmy, speaking, so they

6:16

ended up hiring Gavin Wilkinson for a

6:19

week before the fans were saying that

6:21

this is not okay, we do not

6:23

want this, so they get rid of

6:25

him and then eventually fire Mike Burns.

6:27

Before Gavin Wilkinson took over and they

6:29

were interviewing and took over and took

6:32

over and took over and took over

6:34

and they were interviewing candidates. And what

6:36

you do is you go try to

6:38

find the best number two at other

6:40

clubs. It's why Issa's all got to

6:43

call on this job and you kind

6:45

of doing a really, really good job.

6:47

The feedback I got from speaking to

6:49

those people was, it is very clear,

6:51

I work for the head coach. If

6:53

I take this job, I work for

6:56

Peter Vermeze. So why would I take

6:58

it? It's why they ended up hiring

7:00

somebody like Gavin Wilkinson who was desperate

7:02

to get back into the game and

7:04

had the checkered past that came with

7:07

him leaving Portland. And it's why they

7:09

ended up with Mike Burns, who I

7:11

don't even know if he had an

7:13

interview anywhere else after leaving New England

7:15

Revolution, but we're getting hired by Kansas

7:17

City. He's definitely put his name in

7:20

for interviews. I know that for a

7:22

thousand percent true. but when I talk

7:24

to people, his name wasn't a hot

7:26

new candidate to come up for any

7:28

opening CSO job. No, he's burned every

7:30

bridge known to mankind. So in the

7:33

end, you look at his last director

7:35

and you, and you, and you go,

7:37

if you're a sporting Kansas City supporter,

7:39

or even a player, you say, how

7:41

in the hell is this gonna make

7:44

us better? Right and I look at

7:46

sporting game city. I remember the good

7:48

years of sport in Kansas City The

7:50

the the talent that they had the

7:52

belief the supporters like everything was was

7:54

working and moving in the right to

7:57

right? And I get that it was

7:59

just what in 2020, they finished first

8:01

in the Western Conference and a third

8:03

in 2021, you felt maybe that was

8:05

a blip, the terrible season they had

8:08

in 2019 when they finished 11th. But

8:10

the signings kept getting worse and then

8:12

you throw in the sporting director hires

8:14

that he controlled. So I think everything

8:16

was pointed to him having to be

8:18

fired. I also want to give flowers

8:21

to Peter Rumi's because I had him

8:23

as a under 20 assistant coach. I

8:25

know what a how dedicated he is

8:27

to the sport. I know what he's

8:29

done for the sport, especially in Kansas

8:31

City for the league. Someone who has

8:34

done a lot of good in the

8:36

sport in this country. So I also

8:38

want to make sure that we acknowledge

8:40

that. Yeah, if he gets a statue

8:42

outside the stadium, I don't think anybody

8:45

would have an issue with that at

8:47

all. But ultimately it's just. It's just

8:49

growing a little stale under his tenure.

8:51

And I think, Tom, the big issue

8:53

is because he's been a part of

8:55

the organization pretty much at all levels

8:58

for 20 plus years or 20ish years,

9:00

he's got his fingerprints everywhere. And so

9:02

how do you extract his philosophy? And

9:04

I'm sure you want to take, in

9:06

keep the good things that you liked

9:08

about it or that we're still working

9:11

to your point chuck, right? That didn't

9:13

grow stale. And then bring in somebody

9:15

new and give them the freedom to

9:17

put their stamp on things. I just

9:19

fear that that's going to take a

9:22

lot of time. Yeah, it's going to

9:24

be difficult and obviously you would prefer

9:26

to have an off-season. So any coaching

9:28

search has real time and you don't

9:30

feel like you're throwing away a season.

9:32

Again, I don't know what the plan

9:35

is right now for the coaching search

9:37

if it's going to be immediate or

9:39

what the timeline is or what exactly

9:41

they're looking for. But we're, whatever, we're

9:43

already. getting to the point where the

9:46

season could be lost for Kansas City.

9:48

They've lost seven of the rate games.

9:50

They haven't won. They've been, again, really,

9:52

really bad. The only game that they

9:54

got points was they had to come

9:56

back from three and ill down. So

9:59

all of this is. is interesting in

10:01

that Vermez deserved the chance like when

10:03

they had that down year 19 like like

10:05

you were looting too Chuck and even like

10:07

I think he saved himself with the second

10:09

half that they had in 23 and then

10:11

eventually beating St. Louis in the first round

10:13

I think that's why he gets more than

10:15

you know a season and change and again

10:18

like he's a legend of this club a

10:20

legend of this league Kansas City or not

10:22

sporting Kansas City without him straight up so

10:24

I like I'm on the the the end

10:26

of like yeah it's an easy joke to say You

10:28

know, why did this take so long?

10:30

Can't believe they did it or whatever.

10:32

I think that he deserved all these

10:34

opportunities to keep it going.

10:37

But Jimmy, to your point, now it's

10:39

going to be difficult to kind of

10:41

separate him from the club. Everything

10:43

that he's done to help build

10:46

it, all those building blocks are

10:48

great, but this still feels like

10:50

Peter Rameses Club, because it is

10:53

Peter Rameses Club. Yeah. And now

10:55

his long-time assistant. Kerry, since 2000.

10:57

That's an extension of Peter Verme's. Again, that

10:59

can be good and bad. I think what

11:02

this team needs when they eventually hire a

11:04

full-time manager is somebody completely from

11:06

the outside with a fresh set of ideas, strong

11:08

principles, whether it's exactly the same game model or

11:10

similar game model, what Verme's had, but somebody who

11:12

comes in completely convinced in their ideas rather than

11:15

like, hey, I'll take what we have and try

11:17

to improve on it on the margins. I think

11:19

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11:21

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do you feel strongly, because you

12:59

are a former player, you were

13:01

attached to this club, do you

13:03

feel strongly? Did you get that

13:06

idea from my jersey and my

13:08

hat that I'm wearing? Maybe just,

13:10

maybe there's a hint of lightly.

13:12

Do you feel strongly that the

13:14

next coach should have some sort

13:16

of connection to the club? And

13:18

I bring that up because a

13:20

player, a coach like Wilford Nazi,

13:22

who was plucked out of Montreal,

13:24

had no ties to Columbus, Absolutely

13:26

the best possible hire for the

13:28

Columbus crew. Do you feel that

13:30

that next guy for the Kansas

13:32

City with Kansas City? Sporting Kansas

13:34

City has to has to have

13:36

that affinity or connection or it's

13:38

just the best man available. Are

13:40

you are you suggesting that well

13:42

for Nancy? Well for Nancy is

13:44

available? Well, is Wilpernancy available? Listen,

13:46

there is a tweet out by

13:48

me that says, call me sporting

13:50

Kansas City. I could be interested.

13:52

I played there for eight years.

13:54

My name's already up in the

13:56

stadium. Listen, I'm already, I'm right

13:58

next to. Vermi's his name. I

14:00

should be the next guy in

14:02

line. Let's be honest. Would you

14:04

take the job? I would seriously, seriously

14:07

consider it. That would be a

14:09

dream come true. Now, there obviously

14:11

would be some big conversations

14:13

as to whether, you know, I

14:15

had all my ducks in a

14:17

row from an experienced standpoint, but,

14:19

but. I will say, you know,

14:21

I'm in the way for coaching

14:24

course right now and I'm moving

14:26

in that direction. So maybe this

14:28

came a little bit too soon

14:30

for me on that scale. But

14:32

if they honestly said, we'd love

14:34

to have you, I'd be like,

14:36

I'd love to come talk and

14:38

hang out and see what's what?

14:40

No, it would be cool to

14:42

be. I'd love to come talk

14:44

and hang out and see what's

14:46

what? No, it would be cool.

14:48

I do think that there could have an

14:50

opportunity to think along those lines.

14:52

You have a couple of our former players

14:55

that are out there in the coaching space.

14:57

You have Josh Wolf who is with Austin

14:59

FC, who's now the assistant Houston

15:02

Dynamo, Davy Arno, the assistant

15:04

at Austin FC, these are my former

15:06

teammates as well. So yeah, I wonder

15:08

if they would consider keeping in the fortune.

15:10

But ultimately, no, you got to go

15:12

find the bad. I agree with time.

15:15

You'll find a new fresh set of

15:17

eyes and yes. or me and then you just.

15:19

And you go and you go just make sure

15:21

that you you have someone and I agree with

15:23

Tom for sure that you have to have a

15:25

strong set of convictions because because really

15:27

that's what Peter was all about right

15:29

he had a very clear idea of how

15:31

he wanted his team to play how he

15:33

wanted his organization to run how he wanted

15:36

everything to be and that's what they know.

15:38

So somebody's gonna have to walk in and

15:40

if you're a little bit meek in that

15:42

space. You might not gain the same type

15:44

of respect. I'm just kind of throwing that

15:46

out there, but good question. And what are

15:48

the other candidates? So Tom, who are you

15:50

really? Jimmy Curtin, obviously another Jimmy C. Why

15:52

would it? I'm playing second fiddle to another

15:54

Jimmy C right now. But outside of Jim

15:56

Curtin, maybe Rob Valentino is who else who

15:58

else is out there? that you think they would

16:01

consider? Yeah, so Jim Curtin is going to be

16:03

the first name connected to every single job, and

16:05

again, maybe it's just hope from fans, right? Even

16:07

Montreal fans are like, oh, we should call Curtin.

16:09

Jim Curtin turned down advances from Atlanta United, both

16:11

when he was the Philadelphia manager last summer, and

16:13

then in the winter, right after he was fired.

16:15

They called again. The understanding was he would have

16:17

been, if not the highest paid manager at MOS,

16:19

definitely one of the couple. And he did not

16:21

pursue even an interview with that team, with a

16:23

team that spends more money than any other team

16:26

in the league, who is going to have two

16:28

open TV spots and an empty canvas to go

16:30

and do that big job. Why would Jim Curtin

16:32

consider Kansas City if he already showed, I don't,

16:34

I'm not ready, I want to take some time

16:36

off, if he turned down Atlanta and the money

16:38

and the prestige and everything else that comes to

16:40

that job? So, Jim Curtin City should call him.

16:42

I don't think that's going to go very far,

16:44

but maybe things have changed. Another name that comes

16:46

to mind for me, Gio Savarese, I think that

16:48

he would make more sense for, say, New England

16:50

if something, if something changed there in the near

16:53

future. What are you suggesting? Caleb Porter's not going

16:55

to last her like that? By the way, Tom,

16:57

have you heard anything about New England just be

16:59

given the sense? I know this is a little

17:01

bit off track, but that if they didn't win

17:03

this week, this week, this week, this week, this

17:05

week, this week, this week, this week, this week,

17:07

this week, this week, this week, this week, this

17:09

week, this week, this week, this week, this week,

17:11

this week, this week, this week, this week, this

17:13

week, this week, this week, this week, this week,

17:15

this week, this week, this week, this week, this

17:17

week, this week, this week, this week, this week,

17:20

this week, this week So I heard, I got

17:22

a few people telling me that, but you know

17:24

how it goes, it's not like that's written in

17:26

stone, right? But again, they won this weekend, the

17:28

schedule gets even harder moving forward, so maybe that's

17:30

something that'll happen. All I know is that they're

17:32

not gonna waste another year. It's kind of like

17:34

I think what Kansas City were trying to do

17:36

now, like hey, you can tell yourself it's early

17:38

enough that things can turn around, you get the

17:40

new manager bump, everything else. Anyway, like that's why

17:42

I think that G.S. Averesi makes more sense over

17:44

there. But those are the two names that I

17:47

think are going to be connected with every job

17:49

right now. Again, G.S. Averesi is somebody who interviewed

17:51

for a bunch of places. And again, Jim Curtin

17:53

is the best name on the market. And he

17:55

is going to get his pick at any job

17:57

he wants. And because he's already turned down the

17:59

opportunity of Atlanta. I doubt that he would take

18:01

a phone call here. Yeah, it's interesting.

18:03

And I wonder if you

18:05

did want the job, how much you'd

18:07

have to be sifting through all

18:10

the remnants of Peter Vermey's

18:12

for the next couple of years,

18:14

right? It's just gonna take time.

18:16

And that might turn some people

18:19

off as well. I don't know,

18:21

maybe not. And another random thought,

18:23

I don't know if it totally fits

18:25

into where we're going right now, but

18:27

I've said for years that I think.

18:29

I do wonder if we would have gotten

18:32

to this stage if they had a

18:34

sporting director in earlier and somebody who

18:36

had, again, Peter Vise is always going

18:38

to have a big hand in everything,

18:41

even if it's like Greg Berhalter, brought

18:43

in Greg Broughton, brought in Mikey Stevens,

18:45

brought in, they still have other people

18:47

in the front office that were already

18:50

there. So even if he kind

18:52

of has final say, having an

18:54

actual respected CSO that he's working with,

18:56

not that the CSO's working for him.

18:58

I don't know. coming in with Peter, there's

19:00

no way Peter would have answered anybody else,

19:02

especially after the, the, and he earned that

19:04

too, I want to be clear. He earned

19:07

that currency for sure. But yeah, we've seen a

19:09

lot of, it's normal to be to kind of

19:11

surround yourself with people that are like-minded,

19:13

right? You want them to, sometimes they're

19:15

called yes men, but I mean, in a

19:18

more polite way, we would say like-minded, like-minded

19:20

people. So it's not easy to be able

19:22

to be able to hire somebody to hire

19:24

somebody that. that might be challenging

19:26

you on the regular. So

19:29

I definitely respect the coaches

19:31

and sporting directors that are trying

19:33

to do the same. So, so, Chuck,

19:35

you know, we've discussed this on the

19:37

pod every time there's a

19:39

bad result from sporting Kansas

19:42

City and we end up talking about

19:44

it. We're like, when is it

19:46

going to happen? It's happens. Are

19:48

you are you surprised? Ultimately, they

19:51

gave him a five year contract

19:53

last year. So, so It was heading

19:55

towards, man, he's been here

19:57

a long time, I think.

19:59

We do need a new voice in

20:01

the soccer room, a new leader, and

20:04

yet they still gave him a five-year

20:06

deal. That's the headscratchers. Okay, well, Peter

20:08

for me, he gets sacked now. He's

20:10

saying, I've got three years to kind

20:12

of just be paid like I'm running

20:14

the whole organization yet. I'm just chilling

20:16

at home and spending time with my

20:18

family. So I think that's the puzzler

20:20

for me, Jimmy. Yeah. Yeah, we got

20:22

a Vaniani Sartini shout. What do you

20:24

say to that. Tom as maybe a

20:26

maybe a fix I don't think they

20:28

should go with Kerry just because he's

20:30

been tethered to Peter for so long

20:32

so they should What about a European

20:34

guy? What about a European manager? Do

20:36

you drop some names? Like absolutely I

20:39

hope and I think that they're going

20:41

to do a full-scale coaching search and

20:43

again I I would lean towards you

20:45

go with somebody from out of the

20:47

Kansas City zone and again the European

20:49

to South American somebody like that wouldn't

20:51

make sense it is difficult you need

20:53

to find the right person yeah and

20:55

somebody who cares to understand and cares

20:57

to learn them less because we've seen

20:59

coaches that come here and don't respect

21:01

or appreciate what the league is and

21:03

the uniqueness is that they're in but

21:05

a guy like say Patrick VR and

21:07

NYC of CFC worked out great he

21:09

kind of going down the line down

21:11

the line there are plenty of international

21:14

managers who have succeeded and if they

21:16

get the right guy and the right

21:18

person that cares and respects the league

21:20

and wants to learn, then it can

21:22

absolutely work. I would like that Chuck.

21:24

Marcello Biosa. He's coming in. No, Eric

21:26

Tenhog to sport in Kansas City. Let's

21:28

start it now. That'd be great. Stephen

21:30

Girard is out of Saudi Arabia. So

21:32

maybe he's here. Robbie, Robbie, Robbie Keynes.

21:34

See if Robbie Keynes available to come

21:36

to a sporting in Kansas City. I

21:38

will say Robiqueen wants to work at

21:40

MLS. Like that is something I know

21:42

for a fact. So maybe he can

21:44

get a call. Wow. Wow. So do

21:46

you think there's any number twos out

21:49

there currently? Any assistant coaches? Outside of

21:51

Joshua's what we threw out there. No,

21:53

there's funny, but... So I think for

21:55

this one, it doesn't make sense to

21:57

go with the number two. I think

21:59

it makes sense to go with... So

22:01

again, somebody who has some experience, because

22:03

this is going to be a really,

22:05

really difficult job to go into. But

22:07

some of the number two is if

22:09

we go in that direction, like Joanne

22:11

D'Amé in Columbus is somebody who's absolutely

22:13

a future head coach in this league.

22:15

Maybe Kenny Arena, you look at anybody

22:17

on that sincey staff as well, like

22:19

those are ones that make sense to

22:21

me. But again, you think Dom Kidir?

22:24

You think Domkid? Don I remember, I

22:26

was speaking to, I was speaking to

22:28

me, really, really, really, really, really, really,

22:30

really, really, really, really, really, really, really,

22:32

really, really, really, really, really, really, really,

22:34

really, really, really, really, really, really, really,

22:36

really, really, really, really, really, really, really,

22:38

really, really, really, really, really, really, really,

22:40

really, really, really, really, really, really, really,

22:42

really, really, really, really, really, like, have

22:44

you met anybody who would be offered

22:46

a head coaching job and be like,

22:48

nah, I'd rather be the assistant? All

22:50

right, good point, fair enough. That might

22:52

make sense, but like, I feel like

22:54

that would be too much in the

22:56

similar vein of, of Peter for me.

22:59

It's like, Marko Santo said LEFC. So

23:01

I think that there's plenty of in-league

23:03

options, but like, look at what Minnesota

23:05

did. Like, Eric Ramsey. It's easy to

23:07

say in hindsight because of how great

23:09

of how great of a hire he's

23:11

been a hire he's been. But that's

23:13

a rising young manager who is really

23:15

thoughtful, really considering what he wanted to

23:17

do with this career, turned down some

23:19

options in England, and then ends up

23:21

blowing Minnesota away in the interview process.

23:23

They take a leap, and they, okay,

23:25

well, hire the 33-year-old, who's never the

23:27

33-year-old, who's never had a head coaching

23:29

job before. And that's not always going

23:31

to work, too, for me. So, so,

23:34

Chuck, the same way that Tom's speaking

23:36

about Eric Ramsey is the same way

23:38

I feel about you. I would bet

23:40

on you all day every day. Charlie

23:42

Davis. All right, we've seen Pellegrino Matarazzo

23:44

from Ivis in our private chat. Do

23:46

you think Matarazzo comes after being unceremonously

23:48

sacked from... I bet you'd be interested.

23:50

He would definitely have a listen. I

23:52

know that's for damn sure. All right,

23:54

let's let's pivot just quickly. Just quickly,

23:56

just quickly. Where does he go? I'm

23:58

just out of curiosity. time off. Yeah,

24:00

it's my time off. His kids are old

24:02

enough now. He doesn't need to be,

24:05

you know, he doesn't need to be

24:07

dad at home anymore. So I wonder because

24:09

he just, he seems like a guy

24:11

that loves to be in the trenches,

24:13

you know. Yeah, this is where you

24:15

travel. I mean, you make up for

24:17

lost time in a way. Seriously, it's,

24:19

he's, he's got three years salary paid

24:21

for. So it's like, hey, if there's

24:23

ever a time to say a time to say,

24:25

hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, let's a world with

24:27

a world with my wife, Go enjoy life.

24:30

That's what I would tell him. You've

24:32

earned it. You've deserved it. Go enjoy

24:34

life. Get away from the game for

24:36

a little bit. That would be competitive

24:38

for that. Hold on. So Jimmy, I

24:40

want to hear your thoughts because I'm

24:42

sure that you know him the best

24:44

out of the three of us. But

24:46

I will say, I'm imagining if Peters

24:49

is talking to his family about,

24:51

you know, let's go see the

24:53

world and stuff. What I'm assuming

24:55

is. you know some some some

24:57

cultural sites and not just this

24:59

you know any scouting. He's leaning

25:01

into all his contacts now like

25:03

hey I got a couple years

25:05

here to figure it out I'm curious

25:08

I don't see him at another

25:10

MLS club you know what I mean

25:12

he's such a I could you could you

25:14

could not right now and I don't

25:16

think so like He's a jersey guy,

25:18

so maybe he goes to the Jersey

25:20

Red Bulls, you know. He doesn't have

25:22

enough, you know, Red Bull Global for

25:25

that. But like, again, I think that

25:27

and I think that he deserves to

25:29

go to another place again, not right

25:31

now. If a team hired him right

25:33

now or you know, in a month

25:35

from now, I don't think that that

25:37

would be the best thing particularly for

25:39

fans and you need to let a

25:41

little bit of time go by because

25:44

again, this is he has the third most

25:46

wins wins. in the history of the world

25:48

in first division soccer. He's a legend and

25:50

it's easy to look at how bad the

25:52

last couple years have been and forget like

25:54

this guy's incredible right and he deserves another

25:56

chance if he wants it somewhere but not

25:58

right now. Jimmy I I keep on delaying

26:01

this. What do you think that he's

26:03

going to want to do right now?

26:05

You say he's too competitive. I agree

26:07

with all that. What do you see

26:09

him doing? Yeah, right now, especially after

26:11

reading that very, very nice press release,

26:13

which was glowing as it should be,

26:15

but it was probably like five paragraphs

26:17

more of glowing than maybe. I'm like,

26:19

did Peter write this? This is really

26:21

nice. This is really nice. So I

26:23

think that he's going to just make

26:25

sure I would lay low. you know,

26:27

I think he's going to maybe try

26:29

to paper over any reputational cracks that

26:32

maybe like he's slipped or not the

26:34

same guy that he used to be

26:36

or whatever they can still provide. Good.

26:38

I still think there might be an

26:40

opportunity for him to help out with

26:42

US soccer in some capacity, help out

26:44

with the World Cup in some capacity,

26:46

maybe jump into some leadership roles in

26:48

those areas. where he could go and

26:50

be a sporting director slash coach again.

26:52

I was there when he first took

26:54

over a sporting director and then he

26:56

hired Kurt and Alfo. And it could

26:58

always feel back then that he was

27:00

just waiting for the right time to

27:02

become the coach himself. You can feel

27:04

it back then really? Oh yeah, no

27:06

question. No question. I mean, it was

27:09

pretty obvious to see. He just needed

27:11

to get a feel for and do

27:13

the work behind the scenes to get

27:15

the owners to make sure he understood

27:17

the owners. And fair play, I mean,

27:19

he's just being really thoughtful and intentional

27:21

about, okay, are these guys the real

27:23

deal? And, and, okay, if they are,

27:25

then I need to make sure that

27:27

they're gonna be supporting this club in

27:29

the way that I wanna build it.

27:31

When you, when we look back on

27:33

him, whatever you feel about him now

27:35

in the last five years and his

27:37

coaching stuff's grown stale, blah, blah, blah,

27:39

blah. He's done a lot of great

27:41

things for the infrastructure of. of youth

27:43

soccer in particular and building out sporting

27:46

Kansas City to be as big and

27:48

as influential as it is. So I

27:50

don't want to take anything away from

27:52

that. Now him and I have our

27:54

own relationship where it didn't necessarily end

27:56

well on my way out of the

27:58

club, but that's normal, right? When you,

28:00

when your careers towards the end and

28:02

maybe you don't fit. to the future

28:04

of where they want to go. It's

28:06

not always, it's always not always nice

28:08

and smooth, what's that? He didn't handle

28:10

that with like a hug and a

28:12

pat on the head. It was a

28:14

little bit different center. Yeah, there was

28:16

actually no communication. I had to find

28:18

out from other people that I was

28:20

no longer being wanted at the club.

28:23

So. That lacks a little bit of

28:25

professionalism, but I assume he's grown since

28:27

then, or at least my hope is

28:29

that he's grown since then. But yeah,

28:31

it's fine. It's enough times past that

28:33

I can see. No grudges. No grudges.

28:35

No grudges. I don't hold grudges. Chuck,

28:37

you know that. Just give me the

28:39

job down. We'll be square. I'll say

28:41

the new head coach of sporting games.

28:43

Thanks, Chuck. I appreciate that. I appreciate

28:45

that. Co-sign that. And if it's not

28:47

right now, maybe, you know, once I

28:49

start to tick more boxes on that

28:51

side of things, maybe it'll be in

28:53

the future, the triumphant return of Conradino,

28:55

back in Kansas City, baby, let's go.

28:58

I mean, listen, Jesse Marsh was on

29:00

this show and he became the head

29:02

coach of Canada. It's not outside the

29:04

realm of possibility. Bruce Arena? Bruce Arena

29:06

was. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. All right, guys,

29:08

that's it. Our emergency podcast. Our emergency

29:10

podcast is done. We're calling it. Tom,

29:12

thank you so much for your time.

29:14

Chuck, thanks for hopping on with your

29:16

mahogany walls. We always appreciate you saying

29:18

that. And we're coming back to you

29:20

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